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Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt,

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Speaker 1: and today we're talking about why your commute is killing you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm at Today on the show, we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the problem with commuting, why it's so bad, and then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna provide some answers for how people can get

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Speaker 1: some relief and hopefully figure out ways to commute less,

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Speaker 1: and then how to take action so that they aren't

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Speaker 1: in their cars as much. I thought you love commuting them, man,

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Speaker 1: Oh it's my favorite. Well, now that I'm commuting by

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Speaker 1: bike mostly, had another great ride today to and from work.

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Speaker 1: It was lovely. I feel like you guys are about

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Speaker 1: ready to switch it to uh one car. You know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't given it some more thought, and I think

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Speaker 1: we're getting closer for sure. Although a bunch of episodes

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Speaker 1: ago we talked about this app called Rapidfi right wrapping

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Speaker 1: your car and you thought it was ridiculous. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was like episode two or three or something like that.

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Speaker 1: And so they started a new campaign in our area.

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Speaker 1: And I'm getting my leaf wrapped on Thursday, dog, are

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Speaker 1: you really? Yeah? I'm gonna make myself like fifty bucks

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Speaker 1: a week. That's two hundred bucks a month. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: two h bucks. But what is it? I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: gonna be on your car? I think your Salesforce. I

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Speaker 1: don't really know what they do, and I don't really care. Wait,

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Speaker 1: that's who are that's who park it works for? Way

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Speaker 1: to Go, Parker. You just got on my vehicle. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh. Okay, I will say that's much better than

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Speaker 1: a lifetime daytime TV show or uh. I kind of

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Speaker 1: want something less business e and more goofy. I was

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Speaker 1: kind of hoping the Honey Booboo thing would work out,

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Speaker 1: but because because the Salesforce is gonna seem a little

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Speaker 1: too like legit, like you actually work for Salesforce and yeah,

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Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, oh, well, how's how's it

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Speaker 1: working for Salesforce? I'm like, I don't, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is just that's the wrong guy exactly, sending for

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Speaker 1: the buck. The Honey Boo Boo thing though, and if

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Speaker 1: you didn't hear that episode, the potential campaign that I

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Speaker 1: was gonna participate in and get my car wrapped four

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Speaker 1: was a new Honey Boo Boo Show or Honey Boo

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Speaker 1: Boo's Mom's Show or something like that, and I just,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that was gonna be hilarious and

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Speaker 1: my neighbors would probably Letty Bobo's mom's sister once in

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Speaker 1: on the action, right, Yeah, she wants her on show

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Speaker 1: now too, And I just thought that would be really funny.

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Speaker 1: But sadly it didn't work out, did not quite in time.

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Speaker 1: But this one is working out. Legit on Thursday, can

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Speaker 1: wrapped on Thursday. She don't care. She don't care, all right,

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Speaker 1: Kate would care. Well, you guys have one car and

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Speaker 1: she drives that, and so this is the car that

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Speaker 1: you know, I might drive it just a little bit,

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Speaker 1: even just up and down the street because you have

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Speaker 1: to wrap up like ten miles a day in order

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Speaker 1: to get the requirement, the full bounty or whatever. Do

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Speaker 1: you drink anything this past week? I uh totally broke

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Speaker 1: something out of the seller, which I don't do all

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Speaker 1: a seller. I got like twelve beers in my pantry

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Speaker 1: that so. But I do like to I think, like

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Speaker 1: we talked about recently, I like to age some beers

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Speaker 1: over time. And I've pulled out one of my loa

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Speaker 1: Gunitas high West Ifides oh whoa high West ifies those

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Speaker 1: like those way back. Yeah, it's so good. It's like

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Speaker 1: coffee stout aged in whiskey barrels, rye whiskey barrels, and

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Speaker 1: it it was delicious, aging perfectly so nice. Yeah. So

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Speaker 1: if anybody out there, I think we've mentioned this before,

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Speaker 1: if you have you know, bourbon barrel aged stouts reporters

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Speaker 1: or something like that, those beers are often great to

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Speaker 1: to something like that. Do not age an I p

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Speaker 1: a or a palele, No drink those fresh. Those dastes

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Speaker 1: terrible with a few months on them. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: asked what you had, man, because I just had my

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Speaker 1: first Athena. Yeah, that's such a good beer. After having

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Speaker 1: that French Imperial Berlin of Vice, I was like, you

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, having that Athena, it's such a good

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Speaker 1: summer summer light drinking beer, not like lighting body, but

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Speaker 1: it's got that acidity, has got that sour, that tartness,

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Speaker 1: that wheat finish and it's it's one of those perfect

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Speaker 1: beach beers too, So we're gonna have to bring some

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Speaker 1: of that to the beach. Is anything. It's like under

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just love that. It's the It's the

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Speaker 1: I cried, Yeah, let's move on to the beer were

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Speaker 1: drinking today. And we went from an awesome major brewery

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Speaker 1: last week, ale Gash Too, a brewery that I guarantee

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Speaker 1: you probably nobody listening to this podcast has ever heard of,

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Speaker 1: because we're ultra hip guys. We're drinking something from. It's

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Speaker 1: like listening to bands that you've never heard of yet,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, yeah, I totally heard of them.

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Speaker 1: I just made that name up. We're drinking something from.

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Speaker 1: My friend John is a home brewer, and there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of good homebrewers out there, but there's also

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad home brewers out there, right, And

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Speaker 1: so if I say homebrewer, you might be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's probably gonna taste like crap, But no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: John's legit, man, he might be one of the best

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Speaker 1: brewers in the state. Yeah, he just doesn't produce it

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Speaker 1: things and I was fortunate to get one of these,

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Speaker 1: and so Matt and I are drinking tonight. It's so

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Speaker 1: good John's beer. And his brewery is called Little Cottage

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Speaker 1: Brewery and the beer is called a splinter in the mind.

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Speaker 1: And I'm really excited about this, Matt, because literally, if

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Speaker 1: it would be a Flanders Landers Red. Man, this is

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Speaker 1: the best. I'm with you, man, this has got it

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Speaker 1: all like Flanders Red. It's got like the sour sort

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Speaker 1: of heart aspect of it, right, yep, you like that.

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Speaker 1: You like that side of it. I love that side

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Speaker 1: of it. But then I love the vinegary side. It's

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Speaker 1: got this distinct vinegary kind of taste. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: what this tastes like. It's almost like a shrub. I

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Speaker 1: had shrubs? I don't need shrubs, man, It's weird. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a very it's a high, highly acidic

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Speaker 1: think about Monty Python. Say, is that what we're talking about? Similar? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was like that, all right, but uh but yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they age them either onwood or in barrels, and

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Speaker 1: And so this one in particular is aged fifteen months

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Speaker 1: in a rye whiskey barrel and then another two months

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Speaker 1: on tart cherries. Gosh, so it just sounds perfect. So

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Speaker 1: juiced to have this thing. Man, it's gonna be so good.

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Speaker 1: So the pop sound was a little weak on this

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Speaker 1: makes it a pain in the ask to get to

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Speaker 1: the beer. Yeah, we each got one of these cute

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Speaker 1: but they're kind of like your own personal pan pizza. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Lander's red style, right, Yeah, these are I

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Speaker 1: really cool looking. When I stop my nose in that glass,

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Speaker 1: taste buds getting excited. So Flanders right, known for the

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Speaker 1: that classic Flanders red red lick to it, and it's perfect. Dude,

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Speaker 1: How does he do it? So he's known for making

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Speaker 1: he makes amazing stouts, and has he ever made one

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Speaker 1: And and and he like seriously nailed this. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's like a Barry Bonds home run or Tiger Woods

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly. It's unparalleled. Sorry, if you don't know sports,

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Speaker 1: because this is freaking amazing, I'll say it. We had

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Speaker 1: So John, you're the master. Thank you, John. This is fantastic. Man. Cheers.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, let's talk about commuting. Why it's killing you.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Commuting is essentially the opposite of this

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Speaker 1: beer that we're drinking. Yeah, white knuckled hell, this is

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Speaker 1: like this brings life, that brings you. So let's cover

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Speaker 1: the problem first. Yeah. Yeah. So ultimately, one of the

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Speaker 1: major problems is that we sit too much in our culture,

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Speaker 1: and traditional commuting in your car is by yourself sitting right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. We touched on this recently too in a

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Speaker 1: the it's not good for you, and we need to

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Speaker 1: get off our butts more in the winter. Man, Like

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Speaker 1: when I'm sitting in my home office they're working, I

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Speaker 1: then you can you know, hop into see your dentist

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Speaker 1: and that's a quick hour appointment, but you made it

425
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Speaker 1: up because you're not commuting. It's things like that that

426
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 1: are really nice. Or you know flex days where let's

427
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Speaker 1: say you're able to work a little bit longer on

428
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Speaker 1: another day of the week while you're in the office,

429
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Speaker 1: it might help you avoid traffic two and then give

430
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Speaker 1: you more flexi the next day to work a little

431
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Speaker 1: bit less so you can factor in a doctor's appointment

432
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Speaker 1: and not have to take a full day off of work.

433
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Speaker 1: So if an employer can be flexible, if you can

434
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Speaker 1: work with your employer to add some flexibility to your

435
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Speaker 1: work schedule that can really benefit both of you. Yeah,

436
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 1: it's huge, man, I don't know how many we're at

437
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: the age now where we've got friends with kids and

438
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 1: the kids stuff and stuff is just uh, it's becoming

439
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Speaker 1: a thing, you know, Like we're like our schedules. We're

440
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Speaker 1: starting to plan our years around like the school schedule,

441
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy. But more and more we

442
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: hear parents talking about like how those flex days are

443
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 1: so clutch, being able to kick off a little bit

444
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Speaker 1: early in order to go pick somebody up, or go

445
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Speaker 1: to an event, go to parent teacher conference. I don't know,

446
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: like all these things that we're about to learn firsthand. Yeah,

447
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 1: and so we should talk about too, like the employer

448
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: and how the employers can work on answering this question.

449
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 1: And if you are not an employer, you're just an

450
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Speaker 1: employee listening. I think this is an important section for

451
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: you too, because it kind of helps you to know

452
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Speaker 1: how to approach your employer when it comes to asking

453
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Speaker 1: some of these questions and trying to increase some of

454
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Speaker 1: the flexibility that's in your schedule so that you can

455
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Speaker 1: cut your commute time and your commute costs. Yeah, this

456
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: is your AMMO, right, because if your employer doesn't really

457
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Speaker 1: see how this is going to affect their bottom line,

458
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: they're not necessarily gonna be for They're gonna think, oh,

459
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Speaker 1: this is just some sort of gimmick. You know, this

460
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: is what all the kids are asking for these days.

461
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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do it. Maybe not. This is a ploy

462
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Speaker 1: for Jimmy to knock off early and go play some

463
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Speaker 1: disc golf or something like that. By Jimmy you mean Joel,

464
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean myself. You can't just create an avatar for

465
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Speaker 1: yourself and only change the last three letters of your name. Dude,

466
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: he has like all the same hobbies that you do,

467
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 1: but Jimmy wants to go to this Jimmy wants to

468
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Speaker 1: play some nerdy board games tonight. Um. Yeah, I mean

469
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Speaker 1: it's important for them to realize how that's gonna affect

470
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Speaker 1: their business. Right. If you work for a smart, successful employer,

471
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Speaker 1: that's what they're going to want to see. That's that

472
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Speaker 1: they want to see how that's going to affect the

473
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Speaker 1: bottom line, the bottom dollar. Yeah. I think ultimately workers

474
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Speaker 1: appreciate flexibility and being treated like adults. And one of

475
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Speaker 1: the biggest things that does for you as an employer

476
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Speaker 1: to treat your employees as adults, like they know how

477
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Speaker 1: to make their own decisions. And part of that comes

478
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Speaker 1: out of the hiring process, right making sure you know

479
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Speaker 1: the people that you're hiring and you trust them to

480
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Speaker 1: do a good job. You trust them not to take

481
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Speaker 1: advantage of the rules. But if you do treat your

482
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Speaker 1: employees with that sort of care and intention, it'll breed loyalty.

483
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Speaker 1: And what's one of the highest costs for employers. It's

484
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Speaker 1: finding new talent and then training that talent and giving

485
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Speaker 1: them a similar into the workplace. It's so much better

486
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Speaker 1: to keep good talent that you have in your workforce.

487
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: And if they feel like they have that autonomy in

488
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Speaker 1: that ability to create a flexible schedule and work hard

489
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Speaker 1: for forty forty hours a week that they're tasked to do,

490
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Speaker 1: but have the freedom to knock off early or start

491
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Speaker 1: work early the next day if they had to leave

492
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Speaker 1: early for a doctor's appointment or to see their kids

493
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Speaker 1: soccer practice, that creates this amazing loyalty that keeps people

494
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Speaker 1: in the company. You create a culture where people want

495
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Speaker 1: to stick around. Yeah. Man. Not only that, but having

496
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Speaker 1: that autonomy, like you said, it kind of gives an

497
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Speaker 1: employee like ownership of the work. And so not only

498
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Speaker 1: do they are they just doing what they're being told

499
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Speaker 1: to do, but they kind of feel like they are invested,

500
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Speaker 1: you know, like this is like their company, this is

501
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Speaker 1: part of who they are. It starts to, like you said,

502
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Speaker 1: like that culture, it starts to kind of seep into

503
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Speaker 1: everything and it and if it's good culture that you

504
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: wanted to seep into everything, it affects everything, and it

505
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Speaker 1: it affects the work, the quality of the work, and

506
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Speaker 1: the creativity. You can't beat it. Yeah, that's sort of

507
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Speaker 1: mentality towards your employees is you're not just a worker.

508
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Speaker 1: B You're a part of what makes this company work. Yeah,

509
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: You're part of the team yep. And and that has

510
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: such an effect on what you're gonna get out of people,

511
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: the mindset that they come into work with. Not that

512
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Speaker 1: I have these tasks I need to accomplish, but I

513
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: have this business in this brand and this culture that

514
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Speaker 1: I want to be a part of and I want

515
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Speaker 1: to build. And so as an employer, you're really really

516
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Speaker 1: smart to think of your employees in this manner and

517
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Speaker 1: treat your employees like adults. To breed that loyalty. I mean,

518
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Speaker 1: really it's kind of self serving, you know if you

519
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Speaker 1: think about it, Like we're saying that these are things

520
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: that are good for the employer, but like, yeah, do

521
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Speaker 1: these things for your employees because it's gonna benefit you,

522
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: like these things, like it all comes back to the employer.

523
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Speaker 1: So and another solid, sort of tangible way that this

524
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Speaker 1: saves and benefits employers too is just space. Uh, there's

525
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Speaker 1: less of a need for obviously cars, right, if you've

526
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Speaker 1: got folks that are car pooling or taking alternative means,

527
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Speaker 1: whether it be public transit, biking, walking, you don't need

528
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Speaker 1: to pay for that extra two levels of the parking

529
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Speaker 1: deck because you're eployees don't need it, And maybe some

530
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Speaker 1: of your employees are riding a segue. I wouldn't recommend that,

531
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't incentivize that. I'm just kidding. But I

532
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: see more people on these like the bird scooters and

533
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: the segways, and it's fine, but not my preferred method

534
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: of transport. It's it's more for fun. It's like you

535
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Speaker 1: want to go on a tour of the city, Yeah,

536
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: your helmet pop on a segway? Why not? But yeah,

537
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Speaker 1: so actually I have a personal example here of when

538
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Speaker 1: it comes to a fewer parking spaces. So a couple

539
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Speaker 1: of days of the week there have been more people

540
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Speaker 1: working in the building that I work in, in the

541
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Speaker 1: parking garage gets full. And so Mike, I know, right,

542
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Speaker 1: And so my company is considering adding onto the parking

543
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Speaker 1: deck like building more and that just sounds like a

544
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Speaker 1: really big expense, sounds really stupid. And I am literally

545
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Speaker 1: the only person in my building that rides a bike

546
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Speaker 1: to work, and that's fine, but I just I notice

547
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Speaker 1: it that I'm literally the only bike in the parking lot.

548
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: But I know that there are more people that live

549
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: close by that would consider car pulling. And I've said

550
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: before in the show I've car pull with my coworkers sometimes,

551
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Speaker 1: but mostly I bike. And so if my employer would

552
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Speaker 1: offer an incentive instead of adding space to this parking garage,

553
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: which is expensive, it's a lot of concrete, right, It's

554
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: it's this big time thing. Creating small incentives for employees

555
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: to bike or two car pool to work, I think

556
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: would be so much better for not only their bottom line,

557
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: but the company culture as a whole. And I just

558
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: think that there are better solutions to the problem that

559
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Speaker 1: that we're facing in our building in particular and buildings

560
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Speaker 1: around the country where workhorses are fully staffed right now,

561
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Speaker 1: than adding more space or building more on a parking deck. Yeah, yeah,

562
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: you gotta think that there's a more elegant solution, right,

563
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Speaker 1: Like like hearing that makes me think of like the

564
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Speaker 1: whole problem of like traffic, and so what do you do, Oh,

565
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: you just make the interstate wider. Let's build more rows.

566
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: So we need, we need wider lanes, we need let's

567
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Speaker 1: take it from a fourteen lane to a sixteen lane.

568
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Speaker 1: That'll do it. Yes, certainly, that will allow there to

569
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Speaker 1: be more space. No, it's a dumb solution, and I

570
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: think it's just such a near sided thought process, you know,

571
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Speaker 1: like let's let's take these drastic steps to create this structure,

572
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Speaker 1: and it's a major undertaking. It's gonna cost, yeah, like

573
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Speaker 1: you said, a lot of money, and it's just, yeah,

574
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Speaker 1: not a great solution, and not even just parking too.

575
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: But I mean we've we've barely talked about actual office space.

576
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Speaker 1: If you have all of your employees, they're under the

577
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Speaker 1: same reef. Certainly there's times when that's called for and

578
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: you need to get together as a team, brainstorm whatever.

579
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you rarely have all of your employees

580
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Speaker 1: together like that, think about how many fewer offices you

581
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: would actually need to have least in order to house

582
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Speaker 1: your staff. Yeah, I mean think about it logically, using

583
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Speaker 1: a space from eight to five Monday through Friday, and

584
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Speaker 1: that's the only time, but everyone's in at the same time.

585
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Speaker 1: It's just an inefficient use of space. And so you

586
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: could do it better by creating alternating schedules, by allowing

587
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Speaker 1: people to work from home on certain days and alternating

588
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: those things so that people are all together sometimes, but

589
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: that for the majority of the time people have flex

590
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Speaker 1: work schedules. And again, I know this isn't a one

591
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Speaker 1: size fits all solution. This doesn't work for ups drivers

592
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Speaker 1: like we said, or or doctors or nurses or certain

593
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Speaker 1: other things. I mean, we'll talk about some steps that

594
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Speaker 1: hopefully even doctors and nurses can take that they can

595
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: do on their own. And I know that this doesn't

596
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: necessarily work for all employers, but you know what, in

597
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: our economy, with the kind of communication that we can

598
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: have between each other, with email, texting, phone calling, slack,

599
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: there's slack. Yeah, there's all these ways to communicate. We

600
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: don't have to all be in the building at once.

601
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: There's video chat. I mean, it's amazing technology allows us,

602
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: especially for doing things like this. It can really cut

603
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: down the cost for employers. You know, another way that

604
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: employers can cut down costs. No, tell me healthcare. So true,

605
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: it's more of a traditional thing, right, the health care

606
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: model that we have in the States where the employer

607
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: pays for it. But regardless, it's widespread and it's it's

608
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: the model. It's it's it's how it currently is. And

609
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: bottom line, if you have healthier employees, right, if you

610
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: have employees that are biking and walking, they're more physically fit.

611
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: If you have employees who are either car pulling or

612
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: taking public transit, or and even working from home, they're

613
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: less stressed because they're not dealing with the traffic, the

614
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: rush to make sure they're they're on toime. I'm feeling

615
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: like they're battling the other guy and the giant stuv

616
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: one lane over. Too often, stress sort of gets discounted,

617
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, like it's a real health issue, Like it's

618
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: something that affects people. It affects their health, that affects

619
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Speaker 1: how their bodies function. And if you're able to allow

620
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Speaker 1: your employees to take care of their bodies, uh mentally,

621
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: but and physically, you're certainly going to see a decrease

622
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Speaker 1: in the expenses that go towards healthcare and you'll see

623
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Speaker 1: your employees taking fewer sick days. So yeah, that's such

624
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: an outed benefit as well. Your workers will show up

625
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: to work if they bike or walk or something like

626
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: that and a little more jazz. Yeah, they're not going

627
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: to drag in because they just came in on their bike.

628
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna be totally pumped. Yeah, that's one of the

629
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Speaker 1: major benefits I've noticed when I started biking in was

630
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Speaker 1: that when I get to work, I was in gear. Man,

631
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: I was ready. You know, you're not like dragging in, like, oh,

632
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Monday is am? I right? Yeah, let me get that

633
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: cup of coffee and then I'll sit down and start typing.

634
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: And you know, you sit down, you drink like a

635
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: leader of water and then you're like, let's do this.

636
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Speaker 1: Feel like I just drink a can of Surge or

637
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, I'm ready to go. And

638
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: so I noticed the days I bike in, I'm better,

639
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm better me I'm a better employee, better Jimmy exactly. So, yeah,

640
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: it's the fewer sick days, and it's the increased energy

641
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: level when you're at work, and on top of that,

642
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: it's that building culture and loyalty. There's all these amazing

643
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: parks for employers if they will only incentivize their employees

644
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: and kind of create buy in on that level. I

645
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: see a lot of benefits for companies that are willing

646
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: to think outside the box and offer incentives to people

647
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: to to commute alternatively. Yeah. Man, I like how you

648
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: said culture again too, because like, if I had a

649
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: company with like a bunch of employees, like that's the

650
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: kind of culture that I would be so excited to

651
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: try to create. I want to have a company where

652
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: the culture of the employees it is about biking and

653
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: like how fast they got there on their bike and

654
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: how fit they are, versus like the car culture of like,

655
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I just got the latest so and so

656
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: late model truck, But you know what, you gotta get

657
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: it for the boat because you've also got that boat

658
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: payment and your truck payment. And I don't worry, I'll

659
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: have it paid off in eight years and citrated in

660
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: before then. And it almos sounds like hip right to say,

661
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, Matt and jo All they're talking

662
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: about bite culture and how cool that is. Well, like,

663
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: it's not that it's just cooler, it's little. It's legitimately

664
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: better if you want to be healthier and be less stressed.

665
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I can objectively say that it is better.

666
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: It's not like hip or cool, it's it's something that

667
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: you will legitimately see a difference in your life and

668
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: and those around you that you interact with when you're

669
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: when you're making decisions that are not only benefiting yourself

670
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: but also the company that you work for. Yeah, and

671
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: just an example of talking about culture, our nation's culture

672
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: and how we approach this stuff, our nation as a whole,

673
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Like we don't care about this stuff and it's such

674
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: a bummer and we want to change that trend. Let's

675
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: do something about this, Matt, because it's ridiculous. And one

676
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: example of that is the bicycle commuter benefit. It was

677
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: a tax incentive that in this most recent legislation was

678
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: cut by the Senate. And so there used to be

679
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: employers were allowed to for a tax incentive to their

680
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: employees for commuting to work, and it wasn't all that much.

681
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was like twenty bucks a month. Now, yeah,

682
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: it was small, but it was to cover you know,

683
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: a flat tire or a tune up or whatever you

684
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: needed to do to your bike to kind of keep

685
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: it in shape. And I will say this, my employer

686
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't even offer it when it was available, which not cool. Yeah,

687
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: I take that, um but cut by the Senate, And

688
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: that just goes to show that our culture as a

689
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: whole doesn't care about alternative commuting options and isn't invested

690
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: in this. And so let's change that from the top down.

691
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: Let's create a culture in general that says this matters.

692
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: This is good for our bodies, and this is good

693
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: for our lives. Yeah, man, And not only is it

694
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: good for those things too, it's good for like the

695
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: cities that we live in in general. If there are

696
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: less individual cars on the road that are taking single

697
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: individuals from home to work and then back again, the

698
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: city as a whole is just gonna be more livable.

699
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: There's gonna be less congestion, people are gonna feel more

700
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: comfortable walking on the sidewalks, and the city as a

701
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: whole is just gonna be more comfortable and enjoyable place

702
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: to live. And I think when we're in our steel

703
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: boxes on the road with other people in their steel boxes,

704
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: it makes it easier to see each other as not human, right,

705
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: and will flip the bird or ride somebody's tail, whatever

706
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: it takes. But it makes it a really unpleasant way

707
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: to live. If you're on your bike or your feet

708
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: and you see people that you're passing or you have

709
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: a close encounter, you're way more likely to respond kindly

710
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: than you are in a steel box. There's something that

711
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: just cars pit each other against each other. Yeah, man,

712
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: it it just the humanizes everybody, yeah, man. And another

713
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: perk is it helps local businesses when employees are working

714
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: at a coffee shops or whatever, and so you save

715
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: money on commuting costs. But then guess what, walk down

716
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: to your local coffee shop and enjoy a cafe ola

717
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: or a latte or something like that. Right, And it

718
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: sounds like you must have recently been to France. I

719
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: just I love getting a coffee at a coffee shop.

720
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: I rarely do it, but man, I'll tell you what.

721
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: I had a uple morning meetings last week at coffee shop,

722
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: and that coffee shop culture is so fun. It's so great.

723
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I love to drop three bucks and then get to

724
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: work from there. That day was absolute pleasure. And so

725
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: I think, you know, a lot of personal finance people

726
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: would say cut you have it, and while if that's

727
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: something that you're spending too much money on, maybe yeah,

728
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: maybe that's okay. Yeah, but if you're cutting out car

729
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: commuting to work at your coffee shop with the free

730
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: WiFi and uh and and the three dollar coffee, that's awesome.

731
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: I think it's great. And another thing, walking and biking

732
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: means more small business visits and more meeting your neighbors.

733
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: Like we said, you're out of the steel box where

734
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: humans are pitted against each other reacting poorly, and you're

735
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: interacting with the people around you. It's just such a

736
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: more wonderful experience. Yeah, I mean, you imagine you have

737
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: a forty five minute commute, right, so an hour and

738
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: a half say a day that you literally get to

739
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: do nothing that really adds value to your life, maybe

740
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: except for listening to awesome podcasts, uh subscribe, subscribe, But

741
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: just imagine during the middle of the day, you're sitting

742
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: there working and you know, you get out and go

743
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: for a thirty minute walk or something like that, stretch

744
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: out your legs, get the blood flow, and say, heyt

745
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: any neighbors. Yeah, Joe's totally good for the neighborhood. Um,

746
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: and it helps toe when you're working from home, just

747
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: a little petty crimes. You know, we live in the

748
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: city and there's just you know, like the Amazon package

749
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of getting grabbed like that sort of thing is

750
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of happen more and more when half your block

751
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: works from home and they're all the home offices are

752
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: in the front of the house and you're looking out

753
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: on the street like half of our block is those

754
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: guys don't really get away with that kind of stuff.

755
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: You're able to keep an eye out and you've got

756
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: each other's back. Yeah, and ultimately it's better for our

757
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: environment as a whole. Cities that are built more around

758
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: bikes and walking paths usually public transit as well. Yeah,

759
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: usually have more green space. And yeah, we haven't really

760
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: talked about public transit, but that's another great way. Although

761
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: that can be grueling too, at least you're able to

762
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: read a book or do something productive and thoughtful while

763
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: you're on your commute. Um, it's still good it's just

764
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: a different kind of good. But alternative commute options are

765
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: good for your environment, taking a car off the road

766
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: here and there. And the more we do that, you know,

767
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: it's less pollution in our cities, it's less clogging of

768
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: the freeways and incentivizes more walking paths and green spaces

769
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: in our cities. Yea, and for people to want to

770
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: come and visit, you know again, and then what are

771
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: you doing. You're bringing in tourism. Like if all of

772
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: a sudden your city is fostering this sort of environment,

773
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: this sort of growth. That's better for the local businesses

774
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: and it's local, it's better for like tourism, folks are

775
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: coming in and ultimately that's that's kind of good for you.

776
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Like how fun is it to have a place where

777
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: you live and that you're proud of where people are

778
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: coming to visit because they're because they say, oh, this

779
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: is such a nice place. So I guess the question

780
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: is when are we creating Matt Joel topia. I think

781
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: that might be what people are saying right now. So, yeah,

782
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: we've talked through the benefits. I guess we can do

783
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: it on some city. Oh did you play some city

784
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: back in the day? Oh man, yeah, some city was

785
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Man. We had this off this off

786
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: brand version as well, called a train. I never heard

787
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and we out there ever heard of

788
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: a train? Hit me up? It was sort of like

789
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: some city but less options. That was sort of focused

790
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: on me on train. Feel like the trained nerds, I think,

791
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: but simp Steve was the bomb is awesome. It was good.

792
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: And so a lot of this might seem sort of

793
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: fire reaching, right. You might be thinking, oh, well, yeah,

794
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: this is great to say and talk about, but how

795
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: do you actually take the steps necessary in order to

796
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: make this reality? And that's what we want to focus

797
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: on next. Yeah, maybe you can't bend the iron will

798
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: of your employer, but there are things that you can

799
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: do in practicality to make changes in your life. And

800
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: let's first talk about what employers should do. I think

801
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: they should incentivize these things, and things they might need

802
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: to do is offer a safe storage place for bikes,

803
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: and maybe some showers would be nice for really nice

804
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: yeah right, taking a long, long, long commute and you

805
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: don't want to freshen up before work, that'd be a

806
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: great thing to offer. That being said, though, don't worry

807
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: if you were a little bit sweaty. I feel like

808
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: too much emphasis is placed on like everything being perfect.

809
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, if you've got a sales job and

810
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: you're constantly meeting with clients, yeah, you may not want

811
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: to bike into work that day. But yeah, if you

812
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: biked into work that day, get a little sweaty, keep

813
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: some Diotora and at work maybe like another extra T

814
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: shirt or something like that, it'll be fine. Yeah. I

815
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: was talking to a lady at the park the other

816
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: day and she and her husband both biking to work,

817
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: and they're both lawyers, and so I mean, if you

818
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: think you can't do this, like I feel like that's

819
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: an excuse, right, and you can do this. So for

820
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: those people that makes me so happy, man, Like, those

821
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: are the people we need to meet and spread the

822
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: help spread the gospel of biking in even if you

823
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: have a fancy job. Another thing that employers can do

824
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: is to offer a small amount of extra pay dedicated

825
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: towards bike expenses. And so it's not this huge rays

826
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: that you have to give your employees, but just that

827
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: small amount of money in every paycheck ten dollars towards

828
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: bike expenses, towards tires, and towards those tune ups like

829
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: we talked about. That incentivizes employees to to make it happen.

830
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: That will cut your costs in the long run as

831
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: an employer, and it will create that culture that you're

832
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: looking for. Yeah, and a lot of companies do sometimes

833
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: offer that incentive. And then not necessarily if you biked

834
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: into work, but it's just as long as you didn't

835
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: drive to work. And so I was actually talking to

836
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: my buddy Tyler, and he works for a well known

837
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: company called mail Chimp. But I thought to myself, I

838
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: know that mail chimp's offering some sort of incentive because

839
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: that's just the kind of company they are. They do

840
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: awesome stuff like that. And I checked in with them

841
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: and sure enough, he was getting ninety bucks a month

842
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: a month for not driving into work. That's amazing and

843
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: then awesome. And so you can take that and you

844
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: can put it towards running shoes if you're running in

845
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: every morning, or or bike maintenance or public transit if

846
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: if you need to put some of that money towards

847
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: a leg of your trip where you need to take

848
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: the bus. So I love that and maybe, yeah, I

849
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: thought that was awesome. Man, that's like, that's like chunk

850
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: of money. You know, like you wouldn't have to rapidfire

851
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: your car if if if you work for a company

852
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: that was offering us pretty sweet incentive, right, that's true.

853
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear your car wrapped up. It's gonna

854
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: look good. So yeah, I think that that's a really

855
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,959
Speaker 1: cool thing for employers. And you know what, just maybe

856
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: incentivize your employees to take alternative commuting options of the time.

857
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: Even that would cut down on a lot of expenses

858
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: for you as an employer and would incentivize your employees

859
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: to do something different, to get act I and to

860
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: at least look into doing something different with their commute. Yeah.

861
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: So those are steps that an employer could could potentially

862
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: actively do right to make things a little more attractive

863
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: for their employees. The first thing you, as an employee

864
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: could do is just to ask to be able to

865
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: work from home. That's something that may not necessarily be

866
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: in place already. There may not be a program. But

867
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: if there's not a program, I guarantee you're not the

868
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: only one thinking that, like, oh man, this would be

869
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: fantastic for our company. And maybe you're the third person

870
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: to ask your boss that week, and you're the tipping

871
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: point and he or she is like, wow, that's I

872
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: guess a lot of people are into this and I

873
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't know. And so maybe you're the tipping point that

874
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: tips the scales into the company pursuing letting people work

875
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: from home more often. Yeah, this is sort of a

876
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: nod back to a couple episodes ago. We talked about

877
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: asking for a discount, right how it kind of works

878
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: that muscle, and that's an easy thing to ask for.

879
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: You're not asking for a raise, you're just asking for

880
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: more flexibility. Yeah, this might seem ridiculous, but maybe it's

881
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: time to look for a new job. If your employer

882
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: is unwilling to bend, maybe you can find employment closer

883
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: to where you are and with more flexible commute options.

884
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Especially we're in a hot labor market right now. There

885
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: are plenty of employers looking for skilled workers, and maybe

886
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: it's a time for you to work closer to home

887
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: than commuting becomes a whole lot easier. Yeah, something else

888
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: I thought of too, Man, just you talking about the

889
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: hot labor market continually. The story right now is that

890
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: there isn't wage growth, and so what in another sweet

891
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: way to be able to sort of entice in good talent,

892
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: good employees with these extra benefits. Because employers currently really

893
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: aren't willing to increase wage rates, why not offer these

894
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: sweet incentives, you know, like give employees that the flexibility,

895
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: the options, or even incentivize a little bit here and

896
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: there to be able to attract that talent, attract and

897
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: keep those employees. Are and some of those things involved,

898
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: right your employer saying yes or no. But there are

899
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: some things that you can do without having to consult

900
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: your employer at all to change your commute. Yeah, yeah,

901
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: So the first thing is just consider biking or walking

902
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: to work or even taking public transit. These are things

903
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: that you can really start doing tomorrow morning, and it

904
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: doesn't require I mean, it requires some planning because you

905
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: need to figure out your oute, like how to get there,

906
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: how do I buy, how do I bike there? You

907
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: need to figure out what bus or what train to take.

908
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: But these are things that do not require any permission

909
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: from anybody. You can start doing it now, and it

910
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: is the best way to cut down on costs. If

911
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: you're not commuting every day by yourself in a car,

912
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: you're foregoing all of these expenses that are associated with

913
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: with with a car, and potentially you could even consider

914
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: maybe even going without a car. You know how awesome

915
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: would that be. Yeah, I challenge you to time your commute,

916
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: use Google Maps and actually check out how long would

917
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: it take if I walked? How long would it take

918
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: if I biked? And there was an article recently in

919
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: The New York Times that said people vastly overestimate how

920
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: long would take to walk or bike to work. And

921
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: so you might say that would take me an hour

922
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: and a half to bike to work, but it turns

923
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: out it would only take you an hour, And well,

924
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: how long is you're commute taking you minutes? At least

925
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: do the math. At least do the research and figure

926
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: out how long will biking or walking take you. You You

927
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 1: might find out it's not as bad as you thought.

928
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: And in the end, you know what, you skip time

929
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: going to the gym because yes, you're getting fit just

930
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: on your commute. Yeah, you're getting fit and saving money

931
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: at the same time when when in car pooling. That's

932
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: another great option to consider. Talk to people in the

933
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: office who might live close to you. If you don't know,

934
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: maybe post something on the company Facebook page or messageboard

935
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: or your neighborhood community group online or something like that too.

936
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: There might be you may not be the same company,

937
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: but you might be going to like the same part

938
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: of town, and you know what, getting from your neighborhood

939
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: to the same midtown or downtown or something like that

940
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: maybe a lot easier than you realize when you're car pooling,

941
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: no doubt. So this could allow you to have one

942
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: less car as a family if you alternate driving with

943
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: your coworker, or maybe even if you're single, allow you

944
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: to have no car at all if you pay for

945
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: the gas for your ride share mate. Yes, so car

946
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: pooling can allow you to cut your car costs, your

947
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: insurance costs, your gas costs, and possibly even allow you

948
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: to have one less car as a family. And at

949
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: the very least, it just keeps you from having to

950
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: sit behind the wheel, you know, save you're alternating, like

951
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: you could just you know, at the very least, not

952
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: have to drive every single day. You can just swap

953
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: take it easy for half of the time. And the

954
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: last thing, a more drastic measure, can you find a

955
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: job closer to where you live, or maybe move closer

956
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: to where you work. I think those are you know,

957
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: bigger things. But let's say your leases up in two months,

958
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: or you just really getting fed up with the commute

959
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: that you're currently in. There are changes that you can make,

960
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: and they're bigger, harder changes to make, but that doesn't

961
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: make them not feasible. So if you have a twenty

962
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: five mile commute each way right now, consider whether you

963
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: can do one of those things, either finding a job

964
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: that's closer to where you currently live or moving closer

965
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: to where you currently work. If you can do that,

966
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: it might even be worth an increased amount of rent

967
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: or uh slightly higher mortgage payment if it changes your lifestyle,

968
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: adds more hours back into your life every day and

969
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: allows you to commute alternatively and cut down on your

970
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: car costs, and you know what, clear your head and

971
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: get more fit at the same time by commuting via

972
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: bike or walking or public ends. It you'd be able

973
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: to pay a little bit more for something that wasn't

974
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: literally killing me every day. Right. Yeah, So much of

975
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: this is costing you money and is hurting your body

976
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: all the sitting that we're doing. But then on top

977
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: of that, it's cramping your lifestyle and it's sucking your

978
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: time and your time is so valuable. I just can't

979
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: imagine commuting every day for that long of a period

980
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: of time. And that's why I think one of the

981
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: important things to do is to kind of write down

982
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: how much this is actually costing you when it comes

983
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: to your car, when it comes to your time. That

984
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: might give you the kick in the pants you need

985
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: to ask your employer for something, or to even make

986
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: a drastic change like moving or finding new employment. All right, Joel,

987
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: back to this lovely delicious beer. I gotta tell you,

988
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't have much else to say. I mean, it's perfect. Yeah,

989
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: it really is good in a blind taste. Ut Like

990
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: if I put this next to some like thirty dollar

991
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: bombers from some of the best sour Flanders red guys

992
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: out there as today making them, I think this one

993
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: would crush man. Now, I know, it's so stink and good.

994
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: And we felt that way about a lot of the

995
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: beers he's made. And uh, and he's made um of

996
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: the best doubts I've ever had in my life. Yeah,

997
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: this is like his magnum opus. Yeah, this is like

998
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: his love letter to my heart. I think this beer

999
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: right here, it's it's actually the splinter in my mind.

1000
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: That's what it's called. It's again, this is a splinter

1001
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: in the mind by Little Cottage Brewery, Little Cottage Brewery,

1002
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: and it's an American sour specifically though it's a his

1003
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: interpretation of a Flanders red. And I will say, if

1004
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: you ever get your hands on this, which you won't,

1005
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: you'll never ever get to taste this. But if you did,

1006
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: it's delicious and you should pick one up. But you

1007
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: never will get to try this beer because it's it's homebrew. Sorry,

1008
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: all right, Matt, let's wrap it up. Also, the solution

1009
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: to traditional car commuting to work are a number of things,

1010
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: but we're looking at We're talking about biking, we're talking

1011
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: about walking, public transit, car poling, and working from home.

1012
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: So it benefits employees because it's less stressful when you

1013
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: don't have to commute in every day, When you don't

1014
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: have to drive in every day to work, you're less

1015
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: stressed and you're happier. Yeah, Matt, you know, I'm down

1016
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: with saving money. And it lowers your transportation costs as well,

1017
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: which is huge. Yeah, And having more of that personal flexibility, man,

1018
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: that is such a big selling point for millennials and

1019
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: for young families as well to have kids that need

1020
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: that flexibility. Yeah, and you know what, employers see a

1021
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: huge benefit to first off, flexibility and incentives to commute alternatively,

1022
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: attract better employees and create ultimately a better culture and

1023
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: more loyalty from the employees you currently have and hiring

1024
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: and firing that's such a huge cost associated with employees.

1025
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: Another way that employers are able to save in general

1026
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: when you've got alternative commuting options is you're gonna be

1027
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: able to lower the healthcare costs that you spend on

1028
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: your employees. And there are other costs that you can

1029
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: lower as an employer as well, like money spent on

1030
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: parking spaces and workspace. In general, when you offer increased

1031
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: flexibility and commuting alternatives and also benefits employees and benefits

1032
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: the employer, it also benefits your city as a whole.

1033
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: The less individual car traffic that there is, the more livable,

1034
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: the more one full of your CD is going to

1035
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: be and and ultimately that's what we all want in

1036
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: in the place that we live and work. Yeah, so

1037
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: what do you do next, Well, you take action, You

1038
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: do something. The first thing you can do is to

1039
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: ask your boss, ask your employer. If you can work

1040
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: from home, maybe it starts off at one day a week,

1041
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: but that's at least a good place to start. But

1042
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: if you don't have the option to work from home,

1043
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: consider some of the alternatives like walking or biking public transit,

1044
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: and even if those may not work for you, at

1045
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: the very least you can try card pooling. Yeah. And ultimately,

1046
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: a lot of this comes down to creating a better

1047
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: lifestyle for yourself, not even just saving money and hitting

1048
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: the nuclear option like finding a job closer to where

1049
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: you live or moving closer to where you work, can

1050
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: be the ultimate best solution for fixing your commuting problems. Yeah,

1051
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Because while it might seem like the nuclear option, right,

1052
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: it seems like such a huge thing to do. In reality,

1053
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: if you're reprioritizing your life and focusing on what's actually important,

1054
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: it might be a lot easier for you to shift

1055
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: things around. Yeah. And it's way better than an hour

1056
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: and a half in a car every day, five days

1057
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: a week, just to get back and forth to work. Yeah. Yeah, man,

1058
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: that's a good word. Hopefully your listeners are able to

1059
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: at least take one thing from this. There's a lot

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