WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Nina Ingram Part 1

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<v Speaker 2>It was April twenty first, two thousand and six, and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one year old college student Nina Ingram was coming

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<v Speaker 2>home after a long day.

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<v Speaker 3>Nina had a very busy life. She was two years into.

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<v Speaker 2>Her business degree at Northwest Arkansas Community College in Bentonville, Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 3>She also worked at Walmart.

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<v Speaker 2>She was part of the Lost Prevention team, basically a

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<v Speaker 2>security officer. That night, Nina had worked her shift at

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<v Speaker 2>the Walmart supercenter on Martin Luther King Junior Boulevard in Fayetville.

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<v Speaker 2>She got off work at nine pm, picked up some

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<v Speaker 2>fast food, and then went to hang out with her

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend Josh Stewart at his apartment. They hung out for

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<v Speaker 2>a little while, but Josh later told detectives that Nina

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<v Speaker 2>seemed quiet, like something may be on her mind. She

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<v Speaker 2>said that nothing was wrong, she was just tired. When

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<v Speaker 2>she left Josh's house between ten thirty and eleven pm,

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<v Speaker 2>she was driving Josh's pickup truck. Josh later told police

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<v Speaker 2>they often swapped vehicles. Surveillance camera showed that Nina pulled

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<v Speaker 2>into her apartment complex a little after ten pm. She

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<v Speaker 2>got out of her vehicle and walked toward her unit,

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<v Speaker 2>Unit one on the ground floor of the Law Quad

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<v Speaker 2>apartment complex. The officer would later observe from what he

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<v Speaker 2>saw on camera that as Nina left the vehicle and

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<v Speaker 2>walked toward her apartment that nothing seemed to be out

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<v Speaker 2>of the ordinary. But the next day, April twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>no one heard from Nina. She didn't respond to her

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriend's text. Josh also tried to call her and left

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<v Speaker 2>several boys mails, but Nina never replied, and then she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't show up to give her brother Nelson a ride

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<v Speaker 2>to school, which Nina did often. When she failed to

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<v Speaker 2>show for her shift that day at Walmart that was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to start at one pm, her family started to

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<v Speaker 2>get seriously worried. At around two pm, Nina's other brother, Noah,

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<v Speaker 2>and his roommate Chad Williams, drove over to Nina's apartment

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<v Speaker 2>to check on her. They knocked on the door, but

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<v Speaker 2>Nina didn't answer. Nina had two cats, family members later

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<v Speaker 2>told police she had a habit of opening the front

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<v Speaker 2>window just a crack so that the cats could get

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<v Speaker 2>some mayor. The window to the right of the front

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<v Speaker 2>door was open about two to three inches and unlocked,

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<v Speaker 2>so her brother pushed the window all the way open

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<v Speaker 2>and crawled into the kitchen. Chad waited outside why Noah

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<v Speaker 2>unlocked the door and the dead bolt, which were both locked.

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<v Speaker 2>Seconds later, he heard Noah scream. Chad went in through

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<v Speaker 2>the now unlocked front door and raced back into Nina's bedroom.

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<v Speaker 2>He and Noah saw her lying face up on the

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<v Speaker 2>bed with what Chad described as very visible red scratches

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<v Speaker 2>and bruises around her neck. Chad told police he knew

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<v Speaker 2>immediately that Nina was dead. This case involves a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of twists, and turns. But we're going to try to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out was Nina Ingram murdered by a serial killer?

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<v Speaker 2>Was this a random attack, or was it someone she knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Murder Line. Immediately after Nina's brother Noah and Chad found

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<v Speaker 2>Nina's body at around two nineteen pm, Chad called the police.

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<v Speaker 2>Detectives raised to the scene at the Law Quad apartments.

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<v Speaker 2>They started taping up the crime scene and canvassing residents,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a pretty quiet apartment complex.

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<v Speaker 3>Police found out.

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<v Speaker 2>Only a few neighbors knew Nina and they hadn't seen

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<v Speaker 2>anything out of the ordinary. Nina was very close to

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<v Speaker 2>her family. Her mother, Judy, told a local news station

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<v Speaker 2>that her daughter did not drink or do drugs. She

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<v Speaker 2>called Nina quote an outstanding Christian girl with no enemies

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. Nina Ingram was born and raised in Lillian, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Right before she started her freshman year of high school,

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<v Speaker 2>she moved to Fayettville, Arkansas, with her mom and two

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<v Speaker 2>of her brothers. Even though her father and other brothers

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<v Speaker 2>stayed behind in Texas, she stayed in close contact with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Detectives talked to police at the walmart where Nina worked.

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<v Speaker 2>They determined she was well liked by most of the staff.

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<v Speaker 2>A friend of hers named Freddie Hollingsworth told detectives he

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<v Speaker 2>wondered if Nina could have been targeted by someone she

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<v Speaker 2>busted for shoplifting, but detectives found that unlikely. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to talk to Nina's boyfriend, Josh. Pretty Much

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<v Speaker 2>everyone said Nina and Josh were very happy together and

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<v Speaker 2>had a great relationship. A friend of Nina said they'd

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<v Speaker 2>considered moving in together, and Nina had even talked to

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<v Speaker 2>one coworker about possibly marrying Josh, though things weren't perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Another coworker told police Josh had recently gone through Nina's

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<v Speaker 2>phone to see who she had been talking to. When

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<v Speaker 2>detectives interviewed Josh, they asked about the night of Nina's death.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh said that on April twenty first, Nina called him

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<v Speaker 2>from work. She told him she would come by his

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<v Speaker 2>place afterwards and some food.

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<v Speaker 3>He said.

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<v Speaker 2>She arrived shortly after her shift at Walmart with Firehouse

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<v Speaker 2>subs and a Taco Bell bag. Josh said Nina ate

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<v Speaker 2>the Taco Bell food and he ate the Firehouse sub food.

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<v Speaker 3>He said they hung out for a little while.

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<v Speaker 2>He estimated she left his place between ten thirty and

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<v Speaker 2>eleven PM. Throughout the investigation, Josh was completely cooperative. He

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<v Speaker 2>also voluntarily gave his DNA to police. He let investigators

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<v Speaker 2>know he was available to talk with them at any time.

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<v Speaker 2>Law enforcement quickly cleared him. One big question that detectives

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<v Speaker 2>had was how did the killer get in. Detectives began

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<v Speaker 2>formulating a theory that Nina's attacker had lay in wait

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<v Speaker 2>for her near her door when she came home that night.

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<v Speaker 2>And then rushed her as she went into her apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>When Nina's brother Noah arrived, the door was locked. He

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<v Speaker 2>specifically told detectives he had to unlock two locks, both

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<v Speaker 2>the regular door lock and the dead bolt to let

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<v Speaker 2>chat in. No signs of struggle Inside Nina's apartment, there

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be nothing out of place, but to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>the living room was barely sparse, with just a love seat, barstool, bookshelf,

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<v Speaker 2>and a few other items, so it is possible the

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<v Speaker 2>killer could have forced Nina inside that apartment and back

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<v Speaker 2>to her bedroom without necessarily knocking things over. Nina had

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<v Speaker 2>been brutally strangled, but there were no signs of sexual

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<v Speaker 2>assault and nothing had been taken from her apartment, at

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<v Speaker 2>least nothing obvious. Nina's purse was found near her body.

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<v Speaker 2>There was five dollars inside that purse, so the motive

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<v Speaker 2>did not appear to be robbery. There was a cigarette

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<v Speaker 2>butt found in a flower pot outside. Detective said it

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<v Speaker 2>appeared to have been there for some time. Nina's keys

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<v Speaker 2>with her key ring were also found inside the apartment,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're wondering how did the killer get in, but

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<v Speaker 2>also how did the killer get back?

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<v Speaker 3>Out.

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<v Speaker 2>The cracked window at Nina's apartment had a screen on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Noah had removed it to crawl through the window because

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<v Speaker 2>the door was locked. After he was done, he left

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<v Speaker 2>the screen lying outside. Police noted the back bathroom window

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<v Speaker 2>was also unlocked, but detectives said it was difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>open and they didn't see any of the dust there undisturbed,

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<v Speaker 2>so the killer likely came in and out through either

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<v Speaker 2>the front door or front window. Unfortunately, police found no fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 2>They did find something in a dumpster outside, a single glove.

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<v Speaker 2>They tested a hair on that glove and found that

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't match Nina's DNA and they were unable to

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<v Speaker 2>find a match for it. Detectives noticed a footprint that

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be out of place against the back of

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<v Speaker 2>the front door. They saw a scuff mark about thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one inches from the bottom of that door, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were unable to find more footprints from the interior in

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<v Speaker 2>the front kitchen. In the report, it stated that was

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<v Speaker 2>possibly because there were layers of dust and cat hair

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<v Speaker 2>on the kitchen floor, which made it difficult to get

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<v Speaker 2>any imprints. Did Nina's assailant kick the door shut behind him,

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<v Speaker 2>or could that have been a random print from some

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<v Speaker 2>time before this. Detectives had no idea that surveillance footage

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<v Speaker 2>in Nina's apartment complex showed her arriving home in Josh's

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<v Speaker 2>white pickup truck just before ten fifteen pm. However, according

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<v Speaker 2>to the police report, the quality of the footage was

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<v Speaker 2>so poor detectives couldn't really identify any other vehicles in

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<v Speaker 2>the parking lot during that crucial time period. The detectives

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<v Speaker 2>did ask the FBI to enhance a couple of images,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no indication that that led to anything. When

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<v Speaker 2>Nina got out of her car, it appeared on that

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance tape that she was alone, but the surveillance footage

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<v Speaker 2>did not reach her apartment door. One thing that Josh

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<v Speaker 2>said about his and Nina's last night together was that

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<v Speaker 2>she seemed to be in a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>quiet mood that night, and several other people she saw

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<v Speaker 2>that day said she was acting like something might be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh also told detectives before Nina left his house that night,

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<v Speaker 2>she used his computer to communicate with someone. He did

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<v Speaker 2>not know who that person was, so police got search

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<v Speaker 2>warrants for both Josh and Nina's computers, a Compact Presario

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one hundred laptop.

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<v Speaker 3>They also took Nina's cell.

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<v Speaker 2>Phone and looked through it, but apparently they found nothing

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<v Speaker 2>of evidentiary value in any of those devices. There was

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<v Speaker 2>one odd thing, which we'll come back to later. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a message from someone named Joey. It read quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I see be careful, be one hundred percent sea and

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<v Speaker 2>they wrote sea like cya end quote. So who was

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<v Speaker 2>Nina communicating with? Could Nina have been talking to her killer?

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<v Speaker 2>A question detectives were trying to answer was was Nina's

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<v Speaker 2>killer a stranger or someone she knew. There were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of men in Nina's orbit, male friends, co workers,

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<v Speaker 2>and people who passed through the store every day, her

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<v Speaker 2>friends told detectives. Because Nina was an attractive woman and

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<v Speaker 2>she was a nice person, she got hit on a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Police talked to a census worker named Jianne Marillo. She

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<v Speaker 2>had talked to Nina at her door on April nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>Janne said before she talked to her, she had seen

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<v Speaker 2>a tall, white, slender man with dark hair go into

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<v Speaker 2>the apartment with Nina. She said the guy stayed in

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<v Speaker 2>the back bedroom while she and Nina spoke. The census

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<v Speaker 2>worker also said that every day that she was at

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<v Speaker 2>that apartment complex, Nina's window was cracked open, and every

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<v Speaker 2>time there was a cat sitting at the window. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not clear whether or not police ever identified who this

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<v Speaker 2>man was at Nina's apartment complex.

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<v Speaker 3>We wondered if it.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have been her boyfriend, Josh, but police talked to

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<v Speaker 2>Josh and he said that he had not been to

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<v Speaker 2>Nina's apartment complex in months. Normally Nina would stay at

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<v Speaker 2>his place. It could have been Nina's brother, but nothing

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<v Speaker 2>that we saw in the case file addresses this issue,

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<v Speaker 2>so we don't know. Everyone in Nina's life was baffled

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<v Speaker 2>about who could want to hurt her. Everyone seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>love Nina. She seemed to have a truly kind heart,

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<v Speaker 2>and she always went out of her way to help people.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, some people who knew Nina described

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<v Speaker 2>her as a loner. Police talked to her professors at school.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that she was friendly, she would interact in class,

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<v Speaker 2>but they said she didn't seem to have one particular

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<v Speaker 2>friend or group of friends, that she mostly stayed to herself.

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<v Speaker 2>At work, it was the same story. She was friendly

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<v Speaker 2>and professional, but also no nonsense. We talked to Nina's cousin, Danielle,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said Nina was a little bit misunderstood that way.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that she was standoffish, she was just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit shy. Danielle said that Nina genuinely cared about

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<v Speaker 2>people and she was a very good listener.

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<v Speaker 4>The summer that she was fifteen, she came down and

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<v Speaker 4>lived with us for the summer in Douglas. Came down

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<v Speaker 4>from Arkansas and at the time, my mother had a

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<v Speaker 4>pizza restaurant, and Nina and I spent that whole summer

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<v Speaker 4>working for my mom making pizzas, and we had so

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<v Speaker 4>much fun. That was probably the best summers ever. And

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<v Speaker 4>Nina was always a hard worker, though she never never

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<v Speaker 4>shied away from doing a job.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't call her.

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<v Speaker 4>An introvert her. She was a very social person, but

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<v Speaker 4>she didn't need to be the spotlight. She was a

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<v Speaker 4>really good listener. She didn't feel the need to have

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of attention on her. But because of that,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone really trusted her and wanting to be friends with her,

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<v Speaker 4>because she just had a way of putting people at ease.

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<v Speaker 4>She just made people feel comfortable in their own skin.

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<v Speaker 4>She didn't have to impress her or you know, put

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<v Speaker 4>on a mask with her. She was just like, whoever

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<v Speaker 4>you are, I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>Reading between the lines of these police reports, it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the men who knew Nina were

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<v Speaker 2>attracted to her and wanted to ask her out, but

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<v Speaker 2>either she was oblivious to it or she didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to encourage it. A co worker gave an example. They

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<v Speaker 2>said one day, Nina had to go to court for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason. Afterwards, she went straight to work her shift.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that on that day, Nina was dressed up

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<v Speaker 2>more formally. The co worker told investigators he made some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of comment about her looking good that day and

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<v Speaker 2>asking why she didn't dress like that every day. Nina

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<v Speaker 2>said something about not wanting to be hassled. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want people to ask her out. She just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>do her job. The coworker, by the way, was not

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<v Speaker 2>the one who made the comments to Nina.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just telling police what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Police spoke with the assistant manager at the walmart Nina

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<v Speaker 2>worked at in Rogers, Bobby Blackbird. She talked about an employee,

0:16:34.801 --> 0:16:39.241
<v Speaker 2>Casey Ake. Bobby said Casey played online poker with Nina

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<v Speaker 2>and that quote, everyone knew he was crazy about her.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby said she believed Casey was in love with Nina.

0:16:47.001 --> 0:16:50.441
<v Speaker 2>Casey had talked about asking Nina out, but then seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to back off once Nina started dating.

0:16:52.361 --> 0:16:53.841
<v Speaker 3>Her boyfriend Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>After Nina died, detectives searched Casey's home and found nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did see when they talked about the search

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<v Speaker 2>in their reports, they specifically mentioned taking a look at

0:17:05.120 --> 0:17:07.241
<v Speaker 2>his shoes and then putting them back in the closet.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't find anything on that search, but they seemed

0:17:10.481 --> 0:17:13.160
<v Speaker 2>to be clearly trying to figure out who left that

0:17:13.201 --> 0:17:18.921
<v Speaker 2>footprint scuffed on Nina's door. According to Nina's autopsy, her

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<v Speaker 2>cause of death was ligature strangulation. The manner of death

0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.961
<v Speaker 2>was homicide. The medical examiner, doctor Charles Kocis, said that

0:17:27.041 --> 0:17:30.841
<v Speaker 2>Nina was strangled with some type of ligature, something between

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<v Speaker 2>one sixteenth and one eighth of an inch wide. The

0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:39.161
<v Speaker 2>autopsy provided a few more clues. Whatever happened inside that apartment,

0:17:39.801 --> 0:17:43.480
<v Speaker 2>it seemed to have been a violent struggle. Nina was

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<v Speaker 2>five feet nine inches tall and weigh one hundred and

0:17:46.120 --> 0:17:49.680
<v Speaker 2>fifty one pounds, so depending on how large her killer was,

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<v Speaker 2>this might not have been an easy fight. By the

0:17:53.241 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>time her body was found, rigor mortis had left the

0:17:56.121 --> 0:18:00.401
<v Speaker 2>body and there was marked lividity. Police believed her killer

0:18:00.481 --> 0:18:02.601
<v Speaker 2>murdered her on the bed and then left her there,

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<v Speaker 2>and the time of death was consistent from when Nina

0:18:05.761 --> 0:18:08.401
<v Speaker 2>got home on the night of the twenty first. Police

0:18:08.401 --> 0:18:12.200
<v Speaker 2>believed her body had not been moved since then. The

0:18:12.241 --> 0:18:15.160
<v Speaker 2>autopsy noted Nina had several scratches on the front of

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<v Speaker 2>her neck, and scratches around the mouth and chin, mostly

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<v Speaker 2>on the left side of her face, and distinct ligature

0:18:22.441 --> 0:18:26.281
<v Speaker 2>grooves on both sides of her neck. One rumor that

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<v Speaker 2>started going around after the murder was that Nina's throat

0:18:29.601 --> 0:18:33.201
<v Speaker 2>had been slit. This was not true, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>one that was repeated by people for years. I'm guessing

0:18:37.281 --> 0:18:40.001
<v Speaker 2>that rumor might have started because of those marks that

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<v Speaker 2>were found on Nina's neck at the crime scene. Chat

0:18:43.921 --> 0:18:47.920
<v Speaker 2>said that they looked like cuts. According to the autopsy report,

0:18:48.521 --> 0:18:51.841
<v Speaker 2>Nina had another heavy abrasion just below her left ear,

0:18:52.521 --> 0:18:54.961
<v Speaker 2>and there were two more abrasions on her chest near

0:18:55.001 --> 0:19:00.561
<v Speaker 2>the clavicle. Those two big bruises on her clavicle were unexplained.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just a guess on my part. I think

0:19:04.001 --> 0:19:06.960
<v Speaker 2>it is possible that Nina's killer could have sat on

0:19:07.001 --> 0:19:10.561
<v Speaker 2>her or pressed their knees down onto her chest. The

0:19:10.601 --> 0:19:15.281
<v Speaker 2>medical examiner noted she had petikia or hemorrhaging in her eyes, face,

0:19:15.601 --> 0:19:19.161
<v Speaker 2>left leg, and left arm that were consistent with strangulation

0:19:19.361 --> 0:19:24.521
<v Speaker 2>or asphyxia. Particial hemorrhaging was also present on the interior throat, muscles,

0:19:24.561 --> 0:19:29.401
<v Speaker 2>and larynx. In addition, her hyoid bone was damaged. There

0:19:29.401 --> 0:19:33.440
<v Speaker 2>were no defensive wounds on Nina's hands and no trauma

0:19:33.481 --> 0:19:35.961
<v Speaker 2>to any part of the body except the neck, chest,

0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:40.120
<v Speaker 2>and face. The contents of her stomach were consistent with

0:19:40.201 --> 0:19:43.600
<v Speaker 2>her last meal from Taco Bell. More and more in

0:19:43.721 --> 0:19:47.041
<v Speaker 2>investigators were thinking Nina came home and right when she

0:19:47.121 --> 0:19:49.801
<v Speaker 2>was at her door, or right after she came inside,

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.360
<v Speaker 2>the killer pounced. Her cell phone was found still in

0:19:53.401 --> 0:19:56.121
<v Speaker 2>her pocket, so she never had a chance to even

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<v Speaker 2>try to call for help. The attack must have come

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<v Speaker 2>as a complete shock, and detective still had.

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<v Speaker 3>No murder weapon.

0:20:03.961 --> 0:20:06.761
<v Speaker 2>They found a belt in the kitchen trash can, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was no DNA found on it except for Nina's.

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<v Speaker 2>Presumably it was also ruled out as the murder weapon

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<v Speaker 2>because it was too wide. Remember the murder weapon was

0:20:15.521 --> 0:20:19.281
<v Speaker 2>one sixteenth to one eighth of an inch wide. They

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<v Speaker 2>also tested other things in the house, including the mini

0:20:21.961 --> 0:20:26.481
<v Speaker 2>blind cords, but again they found no foreign DNA. All

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<v Speaker 2>of the fingerprints they found in the apartment were Nina's

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<v Speaker 2>except for one partial palm print, and it was not

0:20:32.201 --> 0:20:35.600
<v Speaker 2>a match to anyone in the DNA database. So, along

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<v Speaker 2>with no murder weapon, police still didn't have a motive.

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<v Speaker 2>It did not appear that Nina had been sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 2>She was found fully clothed, wearing a blue Royals T shirt, jeans,

0:20:47.881 --> 0:20:50.321
<v Speaker 2>and a jogging suit jacket. She had her broad and

0:20:50.361 --> 0:20:54.160
<v Speaker 2>underwear on. They appeared to have been undisturbed. There was

0:20:54.281 --> 0:20:57.640
<v Speaker 2>semen found in Nina's vagina, but the fluids were found

0:20:57.681 --> 0:21:00.400
<v Speaker 2>to have been a mixture of her DNA and Josh's DNA.

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<v Speaker 2>He told the investigators they had consensual sex the night

0:21:04.121 --> 0:21:07.281
<v Speaker 2>before when she stayed over at his place. Again, there

0:21:07.281 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>were no signs of sexual assault or of trauma to

0:21:09.881 --> 0:21:12.681
<v Speaker 2>her vaginal area. There was no blood or semen found

0:21:12.721 --> 0:21:17.241
<v Speaker 2>rectley or orally. Investigators also found no blood or semen

0:21:17.281 --> 0:21:20.441
<v Speaker 2>on her t shirt, jean jacket, shoes, bra or underwear.

0:21:21.361 --> 0:21:24.481
<v Speaker 2>They tested other items, including the bedding, the bed and

0:21:24.481 --> 0:21:27.441
<v Speaker 2>her miniblinds for blooder semen, but found no trace on

0:21:27.481 --> 0:21:31.080
<v Speaker 2>any of them either. Detectives did find some hairs inside

0:21:31.121 --> 0:21:34.401
<v Speaker 2>the apartment, but forensic testing showed they were all either

0:21:34.481 --> 0:21:39.521
<v Speaker 2>Nina's hairs or her cat's hairs. Detectives were canvassing the

0:21:39.521 --> 0:21:44.401
<v Speaker 2>apartment complex because maybe her killer didn't rush her inside

0:21:44.441 --> 0:21:47.001
<v Speaker 2>the apartment. Maybe it was someone she knew and they

0:21:47.121 --> 0:21:50.241
<v Speaker 2>knocked on the door and she let them in. Did

0:21:50.321 --> 0:21:53.920
<v Speaker 2>her killer lock the door behind themselves, because if so,

0:21:54.201 --> 0:21:57.801
<v Speaker 2>that would presumably mean they would need a key. Police

0:21:57.881 --> 0:22:01.521
<v Speaker 2>obviously considered this possibility. They were trying to figure out

0:22:01.641 --> 0:22:05.761
<v Speaker 2>who had keys to Nina Ingram's apartment. On April twenty third,

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<v Speaker 2>the day after Nina's body was found, police talked to

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<v Speaker 2>the management company for the apartment complex, Mansfield Properties. They

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<v Speaker 2>found out that the maintenance worker for that complex was

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<v Speaker 2>a thirty one year old man named Billy Gray. They

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<v Speaker 2>went to his house and he voluntarily agreed to come

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<v Speaker 2>to the Fville Police Department for an interview. They asked

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<v Speaker 2>Billy about service request for Nina's apartment apartment number one.

0:22:27.681 --> 0:22:30.481
<v Speaker 2>Billy Gray said he had been to that apartment complex

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<v Speaker 2>in recent weeks to make repairs to apartments number five

0:22:33.441 --> 0:22:36.321
<v Speaker 2>and number forty two. Apartment five, by the way, was

0:22:36.401 --> 0:22:39.561
<v Speaker 2>Nina's upstairs neighbor, but he said he did not remember

0:22:39.561 --> 0:22:43.121
<v Speaker 2>making any repairs in apartment number one. He said all

0:22:43.161 --> 0:22:46.521
<v Speaker 2>repairs were documented by the property management company and that

0:22:46.681 --> 0:22:49.880
<v Speaker 2>before repairs were made they had to fill out work orders.

0:22:50.401 --> 0:22:52.761
<v Speaker 2>They also kept a record of problems that were reported

0:22:52.761 --> 0:22:57.201
<v Speaker 2>by tenants. Billy said on April fourteenth, he checked out

0:22:57.241 --> 0:22:59.641
<v Speaker 2>the law Quad Master keys to make some repairs in

0:22:59.681 --> 0:23:03.241
<v Speaker 2>the complex. Billy Gray showed detectives the place where the

0:23:03.281 --> 0:23:06.321
<v Speaker 2>master keys were kept at the Garden Park apartment shop.

0:23:06.881 --> 0:23:11.721
<v Speaker 2>He also voluntarily gave DNA samples. Police searched Billy's residence

0:23:11.761 --> 0:23:15.161
<v Speaker 2>after he gave his consent. They found nothing of evidentiary value,

0:23:15.241 --> 0:23:18.721
<v Speaker 2>so he was also cleared. When detectives talked to the

0:23:18.761 --> 0:23:22.120
<v Speaker 2>manager of Mansfield Properties, he also said something else that

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<v Speaker 2>I found interesting. He said that Nina's unit, apartment number

0:23:25.441 --> 0:23:28.401
<v Speaker 2>one had been rented to a construction company for two

0:23:28.441 --> 0:23:31.640
<v Speaker 2>months and then it sat vacant for a month before

0:23:31.761 --> 0:23:34.601
<v Speaker 2>Nina moved in. Police got the name of the guy

0:23:34.601 --> 0:23:36.920
<v Speaker 2>who rented the apartment for the company. His name was

0:23:36.961 --> 0:23:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Henry Jordan Junior. They apparently did more investigating into the

0:23:41.121 --> 0:23:44.161
<v Speaker 2>company and its records, but they didn't see to find

0:23:44.161 --> 0:23:47.801
<v Speaker 2>any leads there. They found one glove in that dumpster

0:23:47.881 --> 0:23:50.961
<v Speaker 2>outside Nina's apartment, but the DNA on the glove was

0:23:51.001 --> 0:23:57.921
<v Speaker 2>never identified, another dead end. The investigation seemed to stall,

0:23:58.041 --> 0:24:02.401
<v Speaker 2>but in twenty twelve, six years after Nina Ingram was murdered,

0:24:02.921 --> 0:24:18.640
<v Speaker 2>someone was arrested. Nina's family laid her arrest in a

0:24:18.721 --> 0:24:23.241
<v Speaker 2>pastel high neck dress, probably to camouflage the ligature marks

0:24:23.281 --> 0:24:27.120
<v Speaker 2>on her neck. Over the years, her mother, Judy Ingram,

0:24:27.481 --> 0:24:30.441
<v Speaker 2>spoke out about the devastating loss of her daughter. She

0:24:30.681 --> 0:24:33.961
<v Speaker 2>encouraged people to keep Nina's memory alive. She wrote a

0:24:34.001 --> 0:24:36.721
<v Speaker 2>book about Nina's life and death called The Brightest Star.

0:24:37.401 --> 0:24:39.681
<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and nine, Nina's mom told a local

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<v Speaker 2>news station quote, I know it's been three years, but

0:24:42.761 --> 0:24:45.161
<v Speaker 2>I'm not giving up in any way, shape or form.

0:24:45.721 --> 0:24:48.721
<v Speaker 2>I know someone out there knows something, and that person

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<v Speaker 2>needs to come forward.

0:24:50.361 --> 0:24:55.001
<v Speaker 3>Nina deserves it. End quote. Police didn't say much. Over

0:24:55.001 --> 0:24:55.441
<v Speaker 3>the years.

0:24:55.881 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 2>There would be updates on anniversaries of the murder, but

0:24:58.681 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 2>detectives would simply say, as they often do, this case

0:25:02.441 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 2>was an open and active investigation. The detective working the

0:25:05.881 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 2>case at the time said, quote, we just need that

0:25:08.921 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 2>one break end quote. Detectives identified several people of interest

0:25:14.161 --> 0:25:16.481
<v Speaker 2>over the years, but in the end made no arrests.

0:25:17.041 --> 0:25:17.641
<v Speaker 3>They talked to.

0:25:17.641 --> 0:25:20.801
<v Speaker 2>Neighbors, friends, family members, and a lot of other people,

0:25:21.121 --> 0:25:24.321
<v Speaker 2>including a guy who lived nearby in the woods and

0:25:24.361 --> 0:25:27.321
<v Speaker 2>someone who randomly fired a bullet into a nearby apartment.

0:25:27.921 --> 0:25:30.961
<v Speaker 2>They took DNA from a lot of people, but as

0:25:31.001 --> 0:25:35.001
<v Speaker 2>I read through this case file, I wondered what DNA

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>they were comparing because they got cheek swabs from a

0:25:38.801 --> 0:25:41.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of different people, but it's really not clear in

0:25:41.921 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>the case file what those swabs were being compared to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the things that we're going to try

0:25:46.921 --> 0:25:52.161
<v Speaker 2>to figure out as this investigation goes forward. Danielle, Nina's cousin,

0:25:52.481 --> 0:25:55.361
<v Speaker 2>said she grieves for the life that Nina lost.

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<v Speaker 4>So I could imagine her and josphing together and having

0:25:57.801 --> 0:26:01.241
<v Speaker 4>a beautiful family, and like, those are just things I'll

0:26:01.281 --> 0:26:03.841
<v Speaker 4>never know now, and we probably would have been raising

0:26:03.921 --> 0:26:07.641
<v Speaker 4>kids together and going through life together. And I'll never

0:26:07.761 --> 0:26:09.841
<v Speaker 4>know how she would have been there for me going

0:26:09.881 --> 0:26:12.441
<v Speaker 4>to my divorce, how she would have been there to

0:26:12.441 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 4>celebrate my kid's smile, so what her kids would have

0:26:15.641 --> 0:26:22.080
<v Speaker 4>been like like, I'll just never know those things.

0:26:23.321 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Over the years, the case grew cold, even though it

0:26:26.161 --> 0:26:29.001
<v Speaker 2>was a big deal in northwest Arkansas, one of the

0:26:29.041 --> 0:26:32.481
<v Speaker 2>only unsolved murder cases in that region since the nineteen seventies.

0:26:33.001 --> 0:26:35.281
<v Speaker 2>One of the other cases was the University of Arkansas

0:26:35.321 --> 0:26:39.041
<v Speaker 2>student known a Dirkmeyer. Her name will come up later

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.321
<v Speaker 2>in this investigation in a way that I never saw coming.

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:47.321
<v Speaker 2>Six years passed with no big breaks, and then in

0:26:47.361 --> 0:26:50.201
<v Speaker 2>April twenty twelve, after the new detective was assigned to

0:26:50.241 --> 0:26:53.961
<v Speaker 2>the case, suddenly there was an arrest of someone who

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.761
<v Speaker 2>no one with knowledge of the case had ever heard of,

0:26:57.721 --> 0:27:02.361
<v Speaker 2>a man named Rico Cone. How Rico Cone got onto

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<v Speaker 2>the police radar is very controversial.

0:27:05.561 --> 0:27:08.961
<v Speaker 3>It's something that to my knowledge, has not been reported

0:27:09.001 --> 0:27:09.641
<v Speaker 3>on in full.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week, we're going to cover the arrest and trial

0:27:13.241 --> 0:27:17.241
<v Speaker 2>of Rico Cone, the evidence against him, and a crazy

0:27:17.241 --> 0:27:20.761
<v Speaker 2>connection to the murder of Nonah Dirtmeyer, who some people

0:27:20.801 --> 0:27:26.041
<v Speaker 2>believe was murdered by a serial killer who killed Nina Ingram.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it someone random, a stranger she offended in some

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<v Speaker 2>way as the police in twenty twelve seemed to believe,

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<v Speaker 2>or could it have been someone much closer to her,

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<v Speaker 2>someone she let in, someone she trusted, And finally, is

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<v Speaker 2>her killers still alive and out there?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Katherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Helen Gone Murder Line.

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<v Speaker 2>It's written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced

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