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Speaker 1: back to Verdings with Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knowles, Senator.
Speaker 1: Everyone is debating, not just the horrific incident that happened
Speaker 1: in Uvaldi, the shooting at this elementary school. But it
Speaker 1: seems like from the very second that this happened, you
Speaker 1: had demagogues pushing their own pre existing political agenda and
Speaker 1: yelling and saying do something, do something, and mocking and
Speaker 1: deriding anyone who suggested that we ought to pray about
Speaker 1: this and we ought to let people grieve and mourn.
Speaker 1: You have not just been observing this from Afar. You've
Speaker 1: been down in Uvaldi. What have you seen Yesterday morning?
Speaker 1: I flew into Yuvaldi. I went first to meet with
Speaker 1: the local leaders in law enforcement, met with a mayor,
Speaker 1: met with a county judge, met with a sheriff who's
Speaker 1: absolutely distraught, met with TEXASDPS and the FBI, the district
Speaker 1: attorney's office, and the superintendent of the school board and
Speaker 1: the chief of the school police. And we started the
Speaker 1: day with about a two hour briefing of what we
Speaker 1: knew at that point. You know, what we know is evolving.
Speaker 1: We know more today than we knew yesterday. But the shooter,
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, as you know, in the morning, got
Speaker 1: up and shot his grandmother in the face, and then
Speaker 1: he got in a car, a truck, actually her truck,
Speaker 1: and drove the truck just down the street. So her
Speaker 1: house is just a couple of blocks from the school,
Speaker 1: so he didn't go very far, and he crashed the
Speaker 1: truck into a drainage ditch, and the drainage ditch goes
Speaker 1: down about six to eight feed And I saw I
Speaker 1: was at the school yesterday. I saw the truck which
Speaker 1: is still down in the drainage ditch. He had gone
Speaker 1: through a fence and down into the ditch and crashed there,
Speaker 1: broken the tires off the axles, and then he got
Speaker 1: out of the truck and it was right next to
Speaker 1: the elementary school. And he went into the elementary school.
Speaker 1: And the facts are still unfolding about when exactly law
Speaker 1: enforcement encountered him. What we were told yesterday appears to
Speaker 1: be different from what the facts are today. But he
Speaker 1: entered the back door of the elementary school, and it
Speaker 1: was a door that's right next to the teacher's parking lot.
Speaker 1: And by all appearances, that back door was unlocked, and
Speaker 1: he walked directly into it. He walked into it carrying
Speaker 1: a gun. He went down the hallway and entered a classroom,
Speaker 1: was a fourth grade classroom. That classroom was adjoining to
Speaker 1: another classroom, so there were two classrooms that were joining,
Speaker 1: connected by a door in between, and he terrorized those
Speaker 1: children and executed those children, and law enforcement arrived. What
Speaker 1: they're saying today, what DPS has said today, is that
Speaker 1: law enforcement arrived twelve minutes after he crashed the truck
Speaker 1: into that ditch, and he barricaded himself into that classroom
Speaker 1: and a gunfight ensued. That gunfight lasted some time anywhere
Speaker 1: between forty minutes and an hour. And when I met
Speaker 1: with the FBI and law enforcement, they were reviewing the
Speaker 1: footage and they're trying to set the precise timeline. But
Speaker 1: it was an extended it was a protracted gunfight. Three
Speaker 1: law enforcement officers were wounded, although thankfully none of them
Speaker 1: were seriously wounded. And I got to say all day yesterday,
Speaker 1: from meeting with the first responders, to going to the school, UH,
Speaker 1: to seeing the wreckage firsthand, to going last night to
Speaker 1: a prayer vigil. You know, the community had a prayer
Speaker 1: vigil and it was packed. It was inside this this
Speaker 1: UH big indoor barn where they have bull riding and
Speaker 1: they have rodeos there. You know, Vivaldi is a small town.
Speaker 1: It's in South Texas. It's it's a pretty rural town. Um,
Speaker 1: it's outside of San Antonio, but it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: a big city, it's not a big suburb. It is
Speaker 1: a small South Texas town and the community is just shattered.
Speaker 1: Is the grief, the agony. You could see. You could
Speaker 1: see parents just just in tears, whaling. You could see grandparents,
Speaker 1: You could see students, high school dudents walking in with
Speaker 1: just this look of a sort of glazed shock. You know,
Speaker 1: this was the first school shooting since I became a parent.
Speaker 1: And obviously there have been lots in my lifetime when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, starting with Columbine and then so many,
Speaker 1: so many others unfortunately that have occurred. But this was
Speaker 1: the first one since I became a parent, and I
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. Yeah, Before I was a parent
Speaker 1: and I you would always hear people say, you're hugging
Speaker 1: your kid closer tonight. This is the worst thing you
Speaker 1: could possibly imagine. I always thought, obviously, this is incredibly tragic,
Speaker 1: but what does that mean. You hug your kid closer
Speaker 1: because you just if you, if you are a parent,
Speaker 1: you just you think this is this is the singular
Speaker 1: horror that you can imagine, and it is in part
Speaker 1: why my reaction just to the politics of it and
Speaker 1: the coverage in the media was a little different this time.
Speaker 1: I thought, you can you let people more in a
Speaker 1: little bit? Can you let people grieve a little bit?
Speaker 1: Can you just give it two seconds before this has
Speaker 1: to become some national debate on anyone's pet project. And
Speaker 1: I to tell you it's it's frustrating for me because
Speaker 1: this is not the first time I've been on the
Speaker 1: ground where some psychopath has carried out unactive mass murder.
Speaker 1: I've represented Texas for ten years and we've had way
Speaker 1: too many of these. Santa Fe High School is less
Speaker 1: than an hour outside of Houston. When that lunatic began
Speaker 1: murdering high school kids there, I was at home. I
Speaker 1: got a call at home, I jumped in a truck
Speaker 1: and headed down to Santa Fe. I was there within
Speaker 1: an hour of when the shooting happened. Sutherland Springs, there's
Speaker 1: another small town, rural town outside of San Antonio, worst
Speaker 1: church shooting in US history. I was there the day
Speaker 1: after Sutherland Springs. I was in that beautiful little sanctuary
Speaker 1: when there was still blood and shattered glass, shattered iPhones,
Speaker 1: pews thrown in chaos as that lunatic executed people, including
Speaker 1: that lunatic executed a child that was eighteen months old
Speaker 1: he shot and murdered. I was there in Midland, Odessa
Speaker 1: with another mass murderer. There. I was there in El Paso, Texas,
Speaker 1: with another mass murderer. There. I was in Dallas with
Speaker 1: another mass murderer who targeted police officers. There are broader
Speaker 1: causes that we can and should discuss, causes that we've seen.
Speaker 1: Whether it's the destruction of the nuclear family, whether it
Speaker 1: is the loss of strong and loving father figures and families, Many,
Speaker 1: if not most, of these murderers come from a home
Speaker 1: without a strong and loving father, Whether it is the
Speaker 1: deterioration of faith and community in a church life. And
Speaker 1: it seems almost all of these people are detached from
Speaker 1: their community. And there are lots of things that have
Speaker 1: nothing to do with government and policy that have led
Speaker 1: to angry teenage boys being filled with murderous rage. But
Speaker 1: what your political opponents are going to say is they're
Speaker 1: going to say, well, okay, yeah, enough, we'll do something
Speaker 1: about it. And I almost I mean I guess now
Speaker 1: there is this national debate going on, and so it's
Speaker 1: been a couple days after this shooting, and people are
Speaker 1: just going to be debating all of these policies. But
Speaker 1: it seems almost tired at this point to recite the
Speaker 1: same old litany because it's the same old debate every time.
Speaker 1: But the do something is not enough. In the proposals
Speaker 1: that have been made by the Democrats, almost exclusively to
Speaker 1: regulate guns, none of them would have prevented any of
Speaker 1: these mass shootings. Even the Washington Post admitted that when
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio said it in twenty fifteen, even the Post
Speaker 1: fact checker had to admit that that point was right.
Speaker 1: Then you get onto other proposals that could possibly even
Speaker 1: be made here. What would that be, to ban guns entirely, Well,
Speaker 1: you're going to run up against a constitutional problem, a
Speaker 1: practical problem. There are more guns than people in this country.
Speaker 1: There's no political will whatsoever to ban guns, and there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of evidence that banning guns would reduce
Speaker 1: the murder rate. When they banned handguns in the UK,
Speaker 1: the murder rate increased significantly, almost doubled in about six years.
Speaker 1: So it's it's the same old litany of issues, and
Speaker 1: I think I think this is why the people who
Speaker 1: criticize thoughts and prayers and the people who say will
Speaker 1: do something do something. It's why they don't tend to
Speaker 1: get very specific, because they don't have any more of
Speaker 1: an answer on what to do than anybody else does.
Speaker 1: They're just demogoguing the issue and pretending that their sympathetic
Speaker 1: outrage is somehow productive. So let's assess how do we
Speaker 1: stop these? Inevitably, when there's a mass murder, within seconds,
Speaker 1: democrats and the media begin calling for the exact same
Speaker 1: policies they were calling for the day before, which which
Speaker 1: they're objective. And more and more the left is quite
Speaker 1: candid about it is to disarm law abiding citizens throughout
Speaker 1: this country, to take away your firearms, by firearms and
Speaker 1: those of law fighting citizens. There are many problems with that,
Speaker 1: but let's just start with a basic one. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Taking away every firearm that Michael Knowles owns would not
Speaker 1: have stopped this psychopath from murdering children in Uvaldi. And
Speaker 1: by the way, we see that in Chicago and New
Speaker 1: York and DC, in California where they have very strict
Speaker 1: gun control, and the criminals still have guns and still
Speaker 1: carry out murders. If you could wave a magic wand
Speaker 1: and eliminate all firearms in America, there would be substantially
Speaker 1: more murders than there are today. I'll give you a
Speaker 1: statistic from the Obama White House. Now, the Obama White
Speaker 1: House is hardly a right wing source. Here's what the
Speaker 1: Obama White House concluded is that firearms are used in
Speaker 1: the United States defensively between five hundred thousand and one
Speaker 1: million times per year, used to stop the commission of
Speaker 1: a crime. So if the Left succeeds and taking away
Speaker 1: everyone's firearms all of the instances, now, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that there are between five hundred thousand and a million
Speaker 1: gun fights. Many many times firearms are used to stop
Speaker 1: a robbery, to stop and attempted murderers, to stop a
Speaker 1: kidnapping where the gun isn't fired, but simply brandishing the
Speaker 1: gun causes the criminal to abandon the criminal effort, and
Speaker 1: that happens, according to the Obama White House, between five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand and a million times a year. So eliminating
Speaker 1: all firearms, I believe would cause far more loss of
Speaker 1: life because it would mean that criminals would be able
Speaker 1: to Maraud would be able to commit assaults and not
Speaker 1: be worried about people defending themselves. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the data, if you look at the jurisdictions with the
Speaker 1: strictest gun controls, almost without an exception, they have among
Speaker 1: the highest crime rates and the highest murder rates. And
Speaker 1: places with lower rates of gun control, in other words,
Speaker 1: with more widespread firearms among the citizenry, you have typically
Speaker 1: much lower crime rates, much lower murder rates. But let's
Speaker 1: not skip this question. Is there something we can do
Speaker 1: to stop these And I believe the answer is yes.
Speaker 1: When I first arrived in the Senate, I got elected
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. Just after I arrived, Sandy Hook, the
Speaker 1: horrific school shooting in Connecticut occurred, and so we had
Speaker 1: this debate ten years ago. And when I looked at it,
Speaker 1: I said, then we need to do something. What do
Speaker 1: we need to do. Let's get the guns out of
Speaker 1: the hands of the violent criminals, the felons and fugitives
Speaker 1: and those with serious mental illness. And so I authored legislation.
Speaker 1: It was called Grassly Cruise. Grassly Cruise was legislation targeting
Speaker 1: the bad guys. And so one of the things it did,
Speaker 1: is it improve the background check system. If you look
Speaker 1: at we have a background check, so if you or
Speaker 1: I go by a gun, you got to run a
Speaker 1: background check. It runs the check to see if you
Speaker 1: have a felony conviction. That database is only as good
Speaker 1: as the information in it, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: federal government has been lousy at reporting felony convictions to
Speaker 1: the database, and a lot of states, interestingly enough, many
Speaker 1: of them Blue states, have terrible records reporting the felonies
Speaker 1: to the background check database. You look at Sutherland Springs,
Speaker 1: which was the church shooting in Texas. In that instance,
Speaker 1: that crime should have been prevented. Why because the shooter
Speaker 1: there it was already illegal for him to buy a firearm.
Speaker 1: He was a felon and he had domestic violence conviction,
Speaker 1: so it was doubly illegal. So why was he able
Speaker 1: to buy his firearm? Well, the reason is that the
Speaker 1: Obama Air Force never reported the conviction to the background
Speaker 1: check database. So he went into a gun store to
Speaker 1: buy his gun. He filled out the background check form
Speaker 1: and he live. He was asked, do you have a
Speaker 1: felony conviction? He checked the box and said no. He
Speaker 1: was asked, do you have a domestic violence conviction. He
Speaker 1: checked the box and said no, they in the background check.
Speaker 1: And because the federal government, the Obama administration, never reported
Speaker 1: his felony conviction to the database, the background check came
Speaker 1: up clean, and they sold him the firearm. So one
Speaker 1: of the things Grassly Crews did is mandated the federal government,
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, to do an audit of every
Speaker 1: federal agency to ensure that all felony convictions were in
Speaker 1: the database. It also provided funds for states to do
Speaker 1: the same thing for state convictions. But beyond that, every
Speaker 1: year there's a vast number of felons and fugitives who
Speaker 1: try to illegally buy firearms. The Department of Justice prosecutes
Speaker 1: almost none of them. In fact, i'll give you the
Speaker 1: stats from twenty ten, which was the last year there
Speaker 1: were stats from before when I drafted Grassly Cruse. In
Speaker 1: that year, there were forty eight thousand felons and fugitives
Speaker 1: who tried to illegally buy firearms. Forty eight thousand of those.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many the Department of Justice prosecute
Speaker 1: forty four And by the way, that continues to this day.
Speaker 1: The Biden Justice Department still is not prosecuting felons and
Speaker 1: fugitives who try to illegally buy firearms. Grassly CRUs mandated
Speaker 1: the creation of a Gun Crime Task Force at the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice to go and prosecute and put in
Speaker 1: jail felons and fugitives who illegally buy firearms. Now, what
Speaker 1: happened to Grassley Cruz. We voted on the Senate floor
Speaker 1: on that bill. It got a majority. It got fifty
Speaker 1: two votes in favor of it. Nine Democrats voted in
Speaker 1: favor of Grassly Cruise got the most bipartisan support of
Speaker 1: any of the comprehensive legislation that was voted on. So
Speaker 1: why didn't it pass? Well, it was the Harry Reid
Speaker 1: Democrats Senate, and the Democrats filibustered it. They demanded sixty votes.
Speaker 1: So even though I had fifty two votes, we didn't
Speaker 1: have sixty, and so it failed. Becau as Harry Reid
Speaker 1: and Chuck Schumer and the Democrats filibuster did. They're not
Speaker 1: really focused on this issue, right, They're focused on pushing
Speaker 1: the same legislation that they've wanted to push for decades now,
Speaker 1: and they'll use any circumstance to try to push that.
Speaker 1: But what we're seeing here in the specifics of this
Speaker 1: actual shooting is, in some ways it seems like it's
Speaker 1: a repeat of the Parkland shooting. You've got a kid
Speaker 1: who was showing serious signs of trouble. He should have
Speaker 1: been identified much sooner. There should have been safeguards placed
Speaker 1: around this kid, much much sooner. There are now questions
Speaker 1: about when law enforcement got there, if law enforcement did
Speaker 1: enough in the moment you're seeing I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: a repeat of history, but you're seeing lots and lots
Speaker 1: of similarities, none of which you're addressed by the legislation
Speaker 1: that the Democrats are proposing. I sat down and participated
Speaker 1: in round tables with the families of the victims who
Speaker 1: were murdered in Santa Fe, and it included families who
Speaker 1: were in Parkland, families who were in other mass shootings,
Speaker 1: and we talked about how do you prevent them? And
Speaker 1: as you talk to experts, one of the things they
Speaker 1: said is for schools, many schools are very, very vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and there are concrete steps we can take to harden
Speaker 1: schools and make them safer. In particular, here's what the
Speaker 1: experts have recommended they've said, you don't want multiple means
Speaker 1: of entering the school. You don't want lots and lots
Speaker 1: of open doors. If you look at how the shooter
Speaker 1: got in Uvality, he went into a backdoor that was unlocked.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how the shooter went in in Santa Fe.
Speaker 1: A backdoor that was unlocked. He was able to get in,
Speaker 1: and then he was able to get right into a classroom.
Speaker 1: Same thing in Santa Fe. So twice the same thing happened.
Speaker 1: What the recommendations were is have a single point of
Speaker 1: entry for the school, one door that everyone comes through.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, a secure facility, a courthouse,
Speaker 1: a federal building, they often have a single point of
Speaker 1: entry because from a security perspective, that much safer at
Speaker 1: that point of entry. The single most effective security step
Speaker 1: you can take is to have armed police officers there
Speaker 1: at that point of entry. That has a greater impact
Speaker 1: on keeping kids safe than just about anything else you
Speaker 1: can do on school safety. Funding for school safety should
Speaker 1: be a no brainer. There's not a single Democrat who
Speaker 1: opposes it on principle, But every time I've tried to
Speaker 1: force a vote on it, Schumer has blocked it because
Speaker 1: his view is if he can't take away law abiding
Speaker 1: citizens guns, he's not willing to do anything. I hope
Speaker 1: after this that changes. But you know, part of the problem, Michael,
Speaker 1: the press are active advocates and partisans. I've never seen
Speaker 1: one Democrat asked why they vote against in filibusters school
Speaker 1: safety funding funds for police officers in schools, funds to
Speaker 1: put bulletproof doors and bulletproof glass and classrooms and locks
Speaker 1: that an assailant can't enter the classroom. If this guy
Speaker 1: had entered the school and the school classrooms had been
Speaker 1: locked and he couldn't get in, he couldn't have murdered
Speaker 1: these children. Last night, when I was at the prayer vigil,
Speaker 1: there was this British reporter, this this kind of you know,
Speaker 1: ran and chase me and stuck his TV camera in
Speaker 1: my face and I'm walking out of the door. And
Speaker 1: the first he asked me about what we were seeing there,
Speaker 1: and I said, look, this is horrific. This is their
Speaker 1: nineteen sets of parents who are not going to be
Speaker 1: able to hug their child tonight or see their child,
Speaker 1: and it is it's the most unspeakable evil we could imagine.
Speaker 1: And he immediately jumped into what don't we need to
Speaker 1: pass gun control? And I didn't want to argue with
Speaker 1: this guy, and I'm disengaging. He's a British guy who
Speaker 1: was an obnoxious leftist, and he's like, why does this
Speaker 1: only happen in America? Doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 1: It's only America. Why is American exceptionalism so horrible? The
Speaker 1: premise of his question is factually false. And I actually
Speaker 1: Newsweek just published something which which I'll point out. I'm
Speaker 1: quoting from Newsweek that says since nineteen eighty eight, there
Speaker 1: have been a total of nine attacks similar to the
Speaker 1: rob elementary school shooting. Nine is nine too many, But
Speaker 1: once you adjust for population, there are many other countries
Speaker 1: from Germany to Russia to Finland that have comparable rates
Speaker 1: of school shootings, and in fact, it goes in and
Speaker 1: it breaks down. According to a Crime Prevention Research Center
Speaker 1: report from twenty twenty, and this is a quote, the
Speaker 1: US is well below the world average in terms of
Speaker 1: the number of mass public shootings, and the global increase
Speaker 1: over time has been much bigger than for the United States.
Speaker 1: And it goes on to say that by our account,
Speaker 1: the US makes up less than one point one three
Speaker 1: percent of the mass public shooters, one point seven seven
Speaker 1: percent of the murders, and two point one nine percent
Speaker 1: of their attacks. All of these are much less than
Speaker 1: the United States is four point six percent share of
Speaker 1: world population. And it goes on to say, again, this
Speaker 1: is a quote out of the one hundred and one
Speaker 1: countries where we have identified mass public shootings occurring, the
Speaker 1: United States ranks sixty sixth in per capita frequency of
Speaker 1: these attacks and fifty sixth in the murder rate. And
Speaker 1: on this issue in particular, the press is so wildly
Speaker 1: dishonest that I understand why people at home don't understand
Speaker 1: what to do about it. Most people at home don't
Speaker 1: know that their laws we could pass that would stop
Speaker 1: felons and fugitives from illegally buying guns and put them
Speaker 1: in jail, but the Democrats are blocking that. Most people
Speaker 1: don't know that. Most people don't know the Democrats have
Speaker 1: been blocking more funding for school safety for years, and
Speaker 1: the press will not report it. And that's why things
Speaker 1: like this podcast I think matters. If this show and
Speaker 1: other shows like it can do nothing else beyond breakup
Speaker 1: what is an extremely dishonest uniform narrative that could be
Speaker 1: politically quite productive. Now this is this isn't the only
Speaker 1: venue on which you can discuss these sorts of things.
Speaker 1: As you know, you Senator and you all of you
Speaker 1: out there in podcast land, there is another series where
Speaker 1: you can go even further if you are a Verdict
Speaker 1: Plus subscriber. That is The Cloak Room with Liz Wheeler. Liz,
Speaker 1: what will you be talking about, Hi, Senator Hi, Michael.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we have to talk about Betto O'Rourke's shameful stunt
Speaker 1: at the press conference. Senator, you were there at press
Speaker 1: conference when Betto interrupted Governor Greg Abbott. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that. We're also going to
Speaker 1: talk about the police response or lack thereof, to this shooting.
Speaker 1: What happened, what went wrong, what could have been done,
Speaker 1: what should have been done that could have potentially saved
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