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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we gotta make like Mike

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Speaker 1: Brown and start locking up our young talent to long

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Speaker 1: term deals. That includes Nick Shook, who's joining me on

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Speaker 1: this Monday morning from Los Angeles. He's in Cleveland. And

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Speaker 1: yes it's NFL Daily. We're back for another week. Free

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Speaker 1: agency frenzy is Overshook, But the contracts, they're just still

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Speaker 1: being given out.

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Speaker 2: What's going on.

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Speaker 3: Who says the Bengals don't have money. They got a

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Speaker 3: lot of money and they just spend it on two guys. Awesome,

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Speaker 3: good for them.

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Speaker 1: It might turn into three guys. We'll get to that

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Speaker 1: in just a second. And yeah, as we're about ready

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Speaker 1: to tape Monday morning, Derek Stingley gets a massive deal,

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about those contracts. We'll talk about what's

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Speaker 1: going on around the rest of the league. We've had

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Speaker 1: some other contracts come out since we did an NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: We did tape forties and free Agents with Daniel Jeremiah.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone checking that out. That's on YouTube as well.

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Speaker 1: And these contracts got me thinking, Shook, who else needs

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Speaker 1: to be signed long term? So we'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about that. But yeah, let's start with the Chase

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Speaker 1: and t Higgins extensions.

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Speaker 2: It comes out late Sunday night.

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Speaker 1: A little back and forth the NFL network Jordan Schultz

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Speaker 1: battle is spicing it up, but I don't want to

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Speaker 1: get into that too much, and I do want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Bengals, your supposed division rivals, with the

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Speaker 1: Browns getting four years, one hundred and sixty one million

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Speaker 1: dollar extension for Jamar Chase that includes one hundred and

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Speaker 1: before I issue final declarations of what these contracts totally mean.

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Speaker 1: But usually when you hear the word guaranteed, that means

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Speaker 1: it's guaranteed. And that is a awesome deal for Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: over forty year at least on that extension, and then

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Speaker 1: T Higgins also gets done at the same time. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember a deal like this ever happening where two

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Speaker 1: elite players on the same team get signed at the

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Speaker 1: same time at the same position. The Lions announced a

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Speaker 1: bunch of extensions at the draft last year, which was cool,

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Speaker 1: but these are two great wide receivers. Teas extension four

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Speaker 1: for one point fifteen don't have as many details there.

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Speaker 1: It just says the first two years of the T.

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Speaker 1: Higgins extension are guaranteed. So this group, Joe Burrow wanted

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Speaker 1: it to happen. They are locked up long term. Te Chase,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, and hell, let's throw in Micah SICKI got

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Speaker 1: it done even before this all happened. What were your

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Speaker 1: thoughts when you saw this deal come down.

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Speaker 4: It's a nice little tag along with these receivers.

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Speaker 3: I think the number one lesson I learned is when

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is optimistic, take him seriously because he's been

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Speaker 3: talking about maybe getting this done for months, and they

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Speaker 3: the Bengals fans have had about, you know, their receiving

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Speaker 3: core breaking up and losing one of the dynamic duo. Now, yes,

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Speaker 3: does this affect, you know, whether they're able to bring

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Speaker 3: back another player or two in the future. Possibly, But

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Speaker 3: this cap continues to increase. It increased pretty significantly this year.

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Speaker 3: I don't see any reason why it's going to slow down.

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Speaker 3: On the flip side, what is that that's forty point

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Speaker 3: twenty five per year for Chase, which makes some of

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Speaker 3: the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL take that,

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett, and then it also dedicates like sixty five

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Speaker 3: lot of money as it stands right now. Of course,

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Speaker 3: that gets cheaper over the long term. But it'll be

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Speaker 3: interesting to see how the Bengals have to cut corners

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Speaker 3: at other spots. We learned last year they were an

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Speaker 3: And they've realized this is our strength and hopefully we'll

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Speaker 1: Maybe they don't have to cut corners because the cap

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Speaker 2: I keep saying it.

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Speaker 1: I really think it's the most important storyline of this offseason.

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Speaker 1: I'll get to some of the contract shenanigans when I

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Speaker 1: I don't want to focus on that here. If you

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Speaker 1: You were taking them a lot of space in our little,

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Speaker 2: So I actually think, yes, it can be done.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they also had to let some guys walk

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Speaker 3: in free agency this year. They drafted to prepare for it.

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Speaker 3: just saying that is a possibility with the Bengals and

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Speaker 1: It is in yet, Like you look at their cap space,

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Speaker 1: And I don't totally hate a team building approach that

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Speaker 1: And who knows, when we get to the third year

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Speaker 1: I keep saying it is harder to find good players

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Speaker 1: to spend it on. The salary cap is becoming less

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Speaker 1: and less of an issue. They're becoming it's becoming a

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Speaker 1: and it might keep changing. Nick that Netflix money is

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Speaker 2: So I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like I like Mike brown spending, and I don't

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Speaker 3: You know, the NBA comparison is good because we think

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Speaker 3: I will say this, it cost them by waiting, but

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Speaker 2: Most, right.

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Speaker 1: And they started last year I thought with bad vibes

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the Higgins deal and you

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Speaker 1: only what twenty eight twenty nine million dollars a year,

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Speaker 2: That's true at Cornerback too.

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Speaker 1: Think of the contract that Patrick Sartan signed last year,

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Speaker 1: was signed Monday morning, really rewarding us Nick for not

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Speaker 1: doing a Sunday night show. Three years, ninety million dollar extension,

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Speaker 1: eighty nine million dollars guaranteed for Derek Stingley. And this

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Speaker 1: that not that he could have signed an extension last

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Speaker 1: At this time the idea was Sas Gardner definitely ahead

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Speaker 1: I think this contract will age well in a way

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Speaker 1: that like the Bengals waited a year to sign Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 2: They get their guys signed this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick taken a page out of the Howie Roseman

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Speaker 3: Thirty million a year that is the new standard, and

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Speaker 2: I really yeah.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, they know where their bread

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Speaker 1: The It's we're out there to report facts. And if

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Speaker 1: we're saying this resets the market, I want to see

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Speaker 2: Oranges to oranges.

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Speaker 1: And I don't like any any reporting out there that

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying just be aware of that. But good

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Speaker 1: Here's a guy we do want to bet on, Derek Stingley.

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Speaker 1: He exemplifies swarm work ethic. Whatever swarm means.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the record it means.

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Speaker 3: But apy, man, that's the most important feature is apy.

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Speaker 3: That's what really sets the market.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ari, if you had a choice, I saw

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Speaker 1: like the DraftKings Social was getting some grief because they

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Speaker 1: asked who's the best cornerback in the league, and they

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Speaker 1: put Sauce in the category of Stingley. Now, who would

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Speaker 3: Sauso being there too, you know, and Sauce there was

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Speaker 3: that whole thing that like he was overrated and everything

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Speaker 3: he could get grabby at times gets away with some

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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with you any of those guys.

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Speaker 3: They're all, you know, top tier cornerbacks. Why this is

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Speaker 3: how I know it's March because we're arguing over this online.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: What I also would say too is cornerbacks go up

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Speaker 1: everyone was saying Sauce was way ahead of sting Now,

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Speaker 2: But he is going to get paid more.

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Speaker 1: On that, we're going to talk about guys who are

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Speaker 1: going to be next on the extension train. We're curious

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Speaker 1: to see if Aaron Rodgers is going to get not

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Speaker 2: He's waiting out the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: He's seen can he get the Vikings to sign him

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Speaker 1: to me, Like it's hilarious to me that the Giants

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Speaker 1: which is funny, You guys are and a round for

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Speaker 2: How does that feel?

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Speaker 3: We are in the dark days of quarterback free agency.

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Speaker 3: We had Russell Wilson take a visit with the Browns

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Speaker 3: nobody should have expected them to be. And now you

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Speaker 3: have Aaron Rodgers looking to complete the Brett Favre cycle,

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Speaker 3: It's crazy that he's like, let me go there. I

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Speaker 3: Rogers is pulling strings or pushing momentum toward being with

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, I'm not going to criticize the Vikings

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Speaker 1: because I don't know how much of this reporting I

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Speaker 2: This could all just.

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Speaker 1: Be Rogers hoping to make it happen. So I can't

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Speaker 2: Not going to.

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Speaker 1: I saw in the report too that you know, Rogers

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Speaker 1: expected to be a stumbling block. It's not what like

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Speaker 1: him wanting thirty seven million dollars a year. That's not

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Speaker 1: a stumbling block for the Vikings. That's not a factor.

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Speaker 1: By all accounts. They were not extending hard on Donald.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's pretty significant.

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Speaker 1: If I can choose between whatever backup option is out

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Speaker 2: I'm going with JJ.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with JJ McCarthy, and I'm going with the

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Speaker 2: The money does.

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Speaker 3: Matter, Yeah, and there's no reason, even after the way

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Speaker 3: this situation at that type of you should have just

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Speaker 4: It makes zero sense to do this.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I don't know the contract. Maybe they

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Speaker 3: I see your interpretation of it, then well, I think

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Speaker 1: So one thing that hasn't happened is no one's come

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Speaker 1: what happens while we're talking Donald, let's give the contract

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Speaker 2: But they could get out of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw the same situation with Russell Wilson in Denver,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Let's give him a shot, give them the money up front,

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Speaker 4: It's a disaster scenario.

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Speaker 3: But I understand it's a smart way on their part

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: They prized flexibility and youth, and they basically decided neither

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Speaker 1: want to see. Jeremiah nailed it on forties and free agents. Man,

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Speaker 1: he's coming for you. Forget Jordan Schultz, He's coming for

439
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: Rappaport and Pella Sero. He's had some little scoops on

440
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Speaker 1: forties and free agents. And one thing he said was

441
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 1: he thought Cup was going to get fifteen million dollars

442
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: a year. I did not think that was going to happen.

443
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Speaker 1: He nailed it. Now, I will put an asterisk where

444
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: I have not seen the guaranteed money. I have not

445
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Speaker 1: seen under the hood. I suspect in the end Cup

446
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: does not have a ton of guaranteed money and that

447
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: this is more like a one or two year deal

448
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 1: that's backloaded to get it to look like fifteen million.

449
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Speaker 1: But either way, he nailed it in terms of the

450
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Speaker 1: average value. So good on Jeremiah. What do you think

451
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: of Cooper Cup's fit with the Seahawks.

452
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Speaker 3: I mean, I love it because I think that that's

453
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 3: the exactly the type of receiver the same darnld knees,

454
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Speaker 3: which is somebody who can reliably get open. The problem

455
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 3: is is that he hasn't proven they can be reliably

456
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Speaker 3: healthy over the last few years. And that is why

457
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: that you know, you go, that's why we have to

458
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 3: look for the contract because we have to see if

459
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Speaker 3: they've protected themselves like they did with Sam Darnold, but

460
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 3: in a concern about injury, not about performance necessarily. Now,

461
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 3: if he can stay healthy, it's a it's an ideal pairing.

462
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 3: You max him up with Jackson Smith and Jake, but

463
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: maybe you target another receiver in the draft. You got

464
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 3: Jake Bobo there. It's something you're starting to fill it out.

465
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 3: It's not just JSN and Jake Bobo and whoever else

466
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 3: is on the roster. I mean it gets a little

467
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 3: bit better. And MVS is on that roster now too,

468
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 3: so you're you're getting closer, but at the same time,

469
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 3: it's still, you know, not DK and Tyler Lockett as

470
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 3: it was before.

471
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Speaker 4: It's it's a nice fail safe, I guess, or a

472
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 4: nice backup.

473
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Speaker 3: Plan and with a potentially high ceiling if Cup stays healthy.

474
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Speaker 1: I am not a fan of this contract. I obviously

475
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Speaker 1: want to see the details. But just off the tape,

476
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Speaker 1: I just don't think Cup has it anymore. I think

477
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: this could be a big bust, and it's it's dangerous

478
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: to say that about a guy who put together an

479
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: all time great season, is known for overcoming the odds.

480
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: I think it's telling the teams that weren't in on Cup.

481
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: The Jaguars were never in on Cup. According to the Jaguars,

482
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: they were in the building with him. The Texans, who

483
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: run a similar offense, weren't really in on Cup. You

484
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: know they have a coach that was in the building

485
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: with him. The Rams were not in on Cup. I

486
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: think that should be stated because his contract wasn't that

487
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: crazy if if they actually believed in him, He's going

488
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: to make less money this year than Adam DeVante. Adams

489
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: will even if he had stayed on the on the

490
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Speaker 1: Rams thing and on the Rams salary. So I think

491
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: that's telling. I think it's just about the tape. I

492
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: just think he is not a big asset to your

493
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Speaker 1: passing game. Now, can he get healthy, like you said,

494
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: this offseason and he's obviously going to be motivated to

495
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Speaker 1: prove prove everyone wrong, and could he have a resurgencies.

496
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: He could, but he just hasn't been able to show

497
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: it the last couple of years. So I I just

498
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 1: don't like what the Seahawks have done this offseason in general.

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I wouldn't be surprised if they took a

500
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: step back, But I think again that it's better than

501
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 3: the alternative because you're depending on how the contracts structured.

502
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 3: If you can get production, that's better than what you

503
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: got because I mean, he wasn't being targeted with the

504
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 3: rams like he was on the field and basically invisible

505
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: for long stretches, especially on the latter portion of the season.

506
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Speaker 4: And you're right, that's telling.

507
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Speaker 3: But if he becomes a featured part of your offense

508
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 3: or a key part of your offense and he's healthy,

509
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: then maybe he could turn it around and make it

510
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: at least you know, all right, well we bridge this

511
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: gap because we had a huge hole in our roster.

512
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Speaker 2: Yep, it's a chance we're taking.

513
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: Like they had to try it on some wide receiver

514
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: out there, and there just weren't many veteran options. But

515
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Speaker 1: I would have rather them just actually signed Will Fries,

516
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Speaker 1: the guard of the former coal to that big contract

517
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Speaker 1: instead of trying to sign Will Fries, you know, and

518
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Speaker 1: that would have been the money that I would have spent.

519
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: And if you can't find a great, you know, wide

520
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: receiver option out there, I would have rather just gone cheap,

521
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: you know. I would have wrapped like whatever Keenan Allen

522
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: is gonna cost or Elijah Moore. I actually think that

523
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Speaker 1: would have been a better move. We're gonna take a

524
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Speaker 1: quick break. We're gonna wrap up the news on the

525
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Speaker 1: other side. We have a trade to talk about. The

526
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: trading is not done, and then we're going to talk

527
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Speaker 1: about who's next for extensions in the NFL who also

528
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Speaker 1: could be trade candidates back in a minute.

529
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Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: It is post free agency week, and man, it already

531
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Speaker 1: feels like so long.

532
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Speaker 2: Ago that was. That was an intense week. That was

533
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: an intense week.

534
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: A lot of shows, a lot of movement, some network

535
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: stuff and yeah, now we've done the numbers. Seventy six

536
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: of the top one oh one are gone. The top

537
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: fifty only has I believe seven players left. So at

538
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: this point in the offseasons, just one here and there.

539
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: We'll have some trades. We had some. We had one

540
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: over the weekend that really surprised me. Jordan Mason the

541
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: fantasy savior for many Christian McCaffrey owners, or for just

542
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: smart fantasy owners who drafted Jordan Mason last year like myself.

543
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: He's going to the Vikings for a sixth round pick,

544
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: little more than I would have expected for Jordan Mason,

545
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: and then another six swap next year. And then he

546
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: also got a two year contract that had seven million

547
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed up to twelve million dollars. How about the Vikings.

548
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: Not many teams are spending at running back. The Vikings

549
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: are spending at running back Jordan Mason and Aaron Jones.

550
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Speaker 2: Any thoughts here.

551
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: I think that they learned a lesson from the forty

552
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 3: nine ers experience last year when they lost Christian McCaffrey

553
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: and they had to turn it Jordan Mason. He was

554
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: highly productive until you had that shoulder injury, which is,

555
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: don't just have one running back you're leaning on, get

556
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: another one just in case. And some of this I

557
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: think has to do with Aaron Jones age. Now it

558
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: didn't show in the contract that he signed. In fact,

559
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: he got more money than I thought he was going

560
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 3: to get. Right, But they're wisely planning in the event

561
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: that they do lose Aaron Jones to injury, and it's smart.

562
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: And then on the flip side, for the forty nine ers,

563
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: it's a perfect time to draft a running back. They

564
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 3: just did it last year, was with Isaac Grendo. Why

565
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: not draft another one, especially when you lost Mason. He

566
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: tried to come back, he couldn't play through it, and

567
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: you found yourself just throwing a warm body out there

568
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: down the stretch.

569
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what a perfect time to draft a

570
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: running back is in San Francisco, Like every draft, every draft.

571
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: He just loves doing it, and why not, especially when

572
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: he can flip them for an extra six They'll probably

573
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: just replace Jordan Mason with that.

574
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 4: And it's good class.

575
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Speaker 1: They like Grendo and Grenda's a good backup and they've

576
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: shown they can develop it backups. And they use some

577
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: of that money to bring back Kyle Euschek.

578
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: How about that.

579
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: It's part of the running Ye, Yeah, who got cut.

580
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: He ends up getting two years eight million dollars. I

581
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: forget who was in on used Check now do you remember?

582
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: But they actually ended up having to outbid someone to

583
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: bring back use Check in the end, but he goes back,

584
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: So that's good. I like seeing him there, and I

585
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: agree with you on Aaron Jones. Mason can also be

586
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: a back that they have for twenty twenty six, which

587
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, you know, probably won't be there. And I

588
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: think Jeremiah made a great point on our podcast that

589
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: the Vikings are getting so aggressive in free agency because

590
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: they have no draft picks, and so it's just one

591
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: less thing you have to worry about. Now in the draft,

592
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: you have a really good one to two punch. Aaron

593
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: Jones is not a guy you want to have three

594
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty touches, so that you're really stressing the

595
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: running game. You're signing offensive linemen. You're building around a

596
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback in terms of his experience. Assuming JJ McCarthy

597
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: is the week one starter, and that's a good one

598
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: two punch, and you're making Aaron Jones better. I like it,

599
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and again it points to me to to just making

600
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: JJ the starter. They're not going to do this, No

601
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not going to spend that remaining cap.

602
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: We could be proven wrong, we really could, so I'm

603
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: just trying. I just don't think it makes sense logically,

604
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: and yet Jeremiah Man he also made the analogy, and

605
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: he was right that the Bengals they're not spending on

606
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: defense in free agency because it's like the kids who

607
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: are asking for the video get you can't get the

608
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: video games. If you're setting you're saving up for the bike.

609
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: You can't get the video games on the way. If

610
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: you want the bike, you got to save up. And

611
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: I give Mike Brown credit. He saved up for two

612
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: of the nicest bikes in the game, the best one two.

613
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: Punch out there. I will give it to the Bengals.

614
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out as like Jamar Chase like,

615
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: is he like a diamondback?

616
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 4: And t Higgins is like a Huffy like like, you know, I'm.

617
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Out of the bike game we got We just got

618
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: a pretty nice bike three years ago, and now I forget.

619
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm out of the bike. The Swins are you know,

620
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's kind of a lower tier.

621
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Speaker 4: It was the Beach Cruiser.

622
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: There's a better one.

623
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Speaker 1: Our producers trying to help us out, Chris watching, No,

624
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: there's better ones out there.

625
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: We're bad in the biking.

626
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: You know, who can afford as much as he wants,

627
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to save up for bikes, for cars,

628
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: for anything, because he always gets that bag. It's Kurko chains.

629
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: He got a ten million dollar roster bonus guaranteed. It's

630
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: actually a twenty six roster bonus, but it was guaranteed

631
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: because he's on the Falcons roster. Still, I don't know

632
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: if that means that much. He's still a tradable asset.

633
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: The Falcons are still going to have to take on

634
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: his money. They also signed Morgan Fox, by the way,

635
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: and so I don't know if I have a huge

636
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: takeaway from Cousins still being on the roster. I think

637
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: it always made sense that he got traded during the draft,

638
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: and I still think he will be traded.

639
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: What do you think?

640
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a feeling that if they were going

641
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: to make a move, this might prompt them to do

642
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: it just to save ten million. But if you move him,

643
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: you're going to have to eat some of that money anyway,

644
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: So it's really not something that force is.

645
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: A deal at this time. So I agree. I think

646
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: it's a move that you make around the draft. You

647
00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 4: wait for other teams to fikere.

648
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: We're still talking Rogers, so pieces still have to be

649
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: placed in different puzzles, so it makes sense for them

650
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: to hold out now and see what they can get.

651
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Right, and it's a nineteen it's a twenty twenty six

652
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: roster bonus, and supposedly that, like you know, takes away

653
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: their leverage. They have no leverage. They're not gonna get

654
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Speaker 1: notch for Kirk Cousins. But if they're doing all this

655
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: nonsense to try to get a fourth instead of a

656
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: sixth there or just get anything at all, because the Browns,

657
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: for instance, aren't ready to give up anything.

658
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: But maybe they will be on draft day.

659
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Speaker 1: That's fine. It's to me, it's a non story. I

660
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be on the Falcons. By

661
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: the way, Russell Wilson also visited the Giants over last week,

662
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: and so he's just waiting around. He's third in line.

663
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: I guess it's like Rogers Cousins or I think might

664
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Speaker 1: be ahead of Russell Wilson in line.

665
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: And who knows.

666
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: One of these guys might not actually get a starting job.

667
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Makai Beckton got a starting job twenty million dollars two

668
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: years from the Chargers. They also brought back Taylor Heineke

669
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: as their backup quarterback. That is a great advertisement to

670
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: send your offensive linemen to Philadelphia because they get you

671
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: paid because Philadelphia wasn't willing to give him that money,

672
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: which to me is like a little bit of a

673
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: red flag.

674
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a red flag, and it's also another vote

675
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: of confidence to a guy who doesn't need it, in

676
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: Jeff Stoutland, who they're like, yeah, we're going to go

677
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: acquire a former first round guard and turn him into

678
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: a good player, because we did it with Makai Beckton,

679
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: who used to be a tackle last year, so why

680
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: not do it again on the cheap.

681
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

682
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Speaker 1: And yet I don't want to criticize the I think

683
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: the Chargers are another team that, on paper, should be

684
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: able to coach up their offensive lineman. And it was

685
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: okay last year. Certainly, the running game left a lot

686
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: to be desired in terms of the run blocking, and

687
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: the scheme was a little bit surprising, But I wanted

688
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: them to invest in your interior offensive line, so I

689
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: can't criticize it. They've been relatively quiet on offense, but

690
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: they have, you know, picked on some guys who they

691
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: think maybe will be good values. Mike Williams, Makai Becton,

692
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: Naja Harris, without breaking the bank. It's been a relatively

693
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: quiet offseason though for the Chargers overall. But I think

694
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: they'll be able to have a better offense offensive line,

695
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: and that opens them up in free agency in the draft,

696
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean rather as well. Just a weird story that

697
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: two of the Bills signings shook are now facing PD suspensions,

698
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: Larry Ogunjobi, their defensive tackle signing, and Michael Hoyt, the

699
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: edge rusher signing. Supposedly they knew. They said they knew

700
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Speaker 1: Hoyt was going to be suspended, and still gave them

701
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: all that money. I guess they don't have to pay

702
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: this suspension, so it's almost just like a mid year

703
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: replacement Ogin Joby. They didn't know, and they said they

704
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: give Ogunjoby credit that in between him agreeing to the

705
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: contract and him signing the contract, he found out he

706
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Speaker 1: was suspended and he told them, which they said he

707
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Speaker 1: did not have to do necessarily, and they appreciated that

708
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Speaker 1: and they still signed them.

709
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Speaker 2: Just like weird. I don't know what to say other

710
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: than weird Bills. What's going on here?

711
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Speaker 3: Well, they're a team that's planning for the eighteen week season,

712
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: not six weeks. Yes, and I think that they're okay

713
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: with eating it with the hope that these guys come

714
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Speaker 3: back and can produce the levels that they expect. So

715
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Speaker 3: for other teams that had bigger holes or bigger needs,

716
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: it would be concerning for them.

717
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Speaker 4: It's not.

718
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew is back on a roster. I had been

719
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: making the case sign Russell Wilson to be the Chiefs

720
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: back up just that would be kind of fun. But

721
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Speaker 1: instead it's gonna be Gardner Minshew. They also brought back

722
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Speaker 1: Juju and Kareem Hunt. I don't know about the Chiefs.

723
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard

724
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: season for the Chiefs, but I do like the backup signing.

725
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Speaker 1: That's a Chief backup. I bet he could win a

726
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: couple of games as a member of the Chiefs.

727
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: I know it's March, but we've talked about the Chiefs

728
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: in that manner for a while, even during the season. Oh,

729
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: it's not looking too great, and they figure a way

730
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Speaker 3: to get it some good.

731
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Speaker 1: They've lost some contributors, but it's better than Carson Wentz and.

732
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: Yes games, so yes, I think they'll be fine.

733
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Speaker 1: I think they improved this position. I think I would

734
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: take Minshew over Cartson Wentz. Actually, you put him in

735
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: the Andy Reid like he would probably play great for

736
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: exactly two or three leaders. Matt Moore played well for

737
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: them for a couple of weeks. The Ravens signed Cooper

738
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: Rush to be their backup quarterback. The initial contract reporting

739
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: was a little high, but it was his ultimately two years,

740
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: six million, so nothing too crazy for the Ravens. Also,

741
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: they gave Mark Andrews a four million dollars roster bonus,

742
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: and some people thought he might be on the trade block.

743
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: There's been rumors that he would be, but him getting

744
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: that bonus says to me he should stay with the team.

745
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Stonehouse, who we mentioned the one punter who gets

746
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: mentioned on the program, weirdly let go by the Titans.

747
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: They didn't offer him a restricted contract. He's going to

748
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, So good move by the Dolphins, who's been

749
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: really just picking at the margins. They don't have a

750
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: ton of cap space. One of the rare teams that

751
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: are in a little bit of trouble, and then just

752
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: some nuggets. The Cowboys signed a trio of players Dante Fowler,

753
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders, Paris Campbell. Fowler was a good guy to

754
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: bring back there. They needed some pass rush juice and

755
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: he's been fine as kind of the younger Leonard Floyd

756
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: and then Marcus Epps the safety to the Patriots. The

757
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: Jets signed Derek Noddy. If you have anything to say

758
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: about any of all of those signings going all the

759
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: way back to the Ravens, you could or we could

760
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: just move on to our next segment.

761
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: It's up to huh.

762
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush is an interesting fit, kind of goes against

763
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: what they typically look for and backup quarterbacks Ryan Stonehouse.

764
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: There was some like weird chatter on Twitter that like

765
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: the Titans didn't like his inability to directionally kick.

766
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 4: The guy's got a massive leg.

767
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if the Dolphins are something gonna play

768
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: trestle ball and then last but not least, Dante Fowler.

769
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Speaker 4: I think it's a buy on a.

770
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Speaker 3: Guy who outplayed his contract last year ten and a

771
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: half sacks with Washington, and if he can do it again, then.

772
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Speaker 4: That would help them deal with the fact that they

773
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Speaker 4: lost to Marcus Lawrence.

774
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a little surprised the Dolph the commanders

775
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: didn't want him back, but you know, because they had

776
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: brought them there. But they spent their money elsewhere. Javon

777
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: Hargrave was one of them, and the Cowboys. Yeah, they're

778
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: just picking around the margins. All right, let's talk these

779
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: extensions and we'll wrap up. This will be a quick segment,

780
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: but I just started to make a list of who's

781
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: next for extensions, and I wanted to point it out.

782
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: We have a whole off season to talk about.

783
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: But I want our listeners to be smarter, I think

784
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: when they're talking about the NFL, and I do think

785
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: we are in an interesting period with all this cap space,

786
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: and I think the probably the number one repercussion of

787
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: all this cap space is that the NFL is turning

788
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: into the NBA in one way, which is that extensions

789
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: are going to happen earlier they should happen earlier.

790
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: And we really are.

791
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: Reaching more of a point like the NBA left where

792
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: got to where it's like, if you're good, you're gonna

793
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: get it extended. It's it's no question, and it's gonna

794
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: be early. Like all like half the NBA podcast infrastructure

795
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: is about who is gonna get traded right like two

796
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: years ahead of time because they've already signed their extension.

797
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: And I actually think the NFL is going to that

798
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: direction because now everyone realizes we gotta send our guys.

799
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: We got to extend our guys super early. No one

800
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: halfway decent's ever gonna get to not only not get

801
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: to the free agency, but they're not even gonna get

802
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: to where Michael Parsons is now, where it's like they're

803
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: actually coming up on their contract year. They're gonna get

804
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: extended a year before. So Derek Stingley, for instance, he

805
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: was a first round pick, he had two years left

806
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: on his contract, and he's already getting signed like Waddle

807
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: and DeVonta Smith and Pine Sewell and so many of

808
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: those great guys from that class. Trevor Lawrence, who's not

809
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: even great, they got their extension last offseason, and so

810
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: it just made me think, like who is next for extensions?

811
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Speaker 1: And it's going to be some of the stuff we're

812
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: talking about this offseason. So I'm just going to throw

813
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: some names at you, Shook. I think some are interesting

814
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: to talk about. Some will just blow past. Brock Purty

815
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: is kind of the obvious one because he's a seventh

816
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: round pick, doesn't have that extra year on his contract,

817
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: and that one's coming. I am interested on where he

818
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: lands in the pecking word.

819
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: I think it's going to happen.

820
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: And yet I wonder is he going to sell himself

821
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: a little short and accept less money because he's brock purty,

822
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: or is he going to push the forty nine ers

823
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: to the limit like we will see.

824
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: That's one to watch this offseason.

825
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that depends heavily on representation and how that

826
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: they go in there and approach negotiations, because it just

827
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: depends on who you talk to when it comes to

828
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: brock party. When everything around him is good, he's excellent.

829
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: But when things are not great around him, he doesn't

830
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: quite elevate his team the way other quarterbacks that make

831
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: big time money do. Yet were ideal with market influences

832
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: and everything else, so he'll probably still get a good

833
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: amount of money. It's just where did the forty nine

834
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: ers view him? Where do they how do they value him?

835
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 3: And then are they on the same page in terms

836
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 3: of market value, because that'll get the deal done quicker

837
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 3: and if not, it could be a prolonged thing.

838
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't think it'll be prolonged.

839
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: He seems like a guy who's not going to push

840
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: the limit, which is why I mentioned representation. And at

841
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: the same time, I don't know if I'd throw him

842
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: the massive bag because I'm still hit or miss on him.

843
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 4: So that one is interesting. But then you look in

844
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: at the flip side.

845
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: You talk about all these guys who'd extended early, You

846
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: talk about Micah Parsons. The Cowboys are going to be

847
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: paying a bill that they probably never expected but be

848
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: so high. But now all these other deals get done

849
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: like Miles Garrett, and suddenly they're paying attacks because they

850
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: waited so long. So there's different schools of thought or

851
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: approaches to this. And I'd rather be in the forty

852
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 3: nine ers position, even if you would like to see

853
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: Brock do it one more time than as opposed to

854
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: paying game early. I would, I personally would. But it's

855
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: also a risk, which is what the Cowboys a very

856
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 3: familiar with. If we remember Dak Prescott getting tagsed.

857
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: So now could you give him a short term bump

858
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: because he's making a preposterously low amount of money.

859
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 3: You know this, Yes, and I would do that just

860
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 3: to bridge the gap and also buy yourself some time.

861
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: But do his agents are they interested in that? Because

862
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: that's a risk from their side.

863
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: Right, because statistically and every other factor, you can't say

864
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: that he deserves less than Trevor Lawrence. I think that

865
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: Lawrence contract is funny in retrospect.

866
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Came down.

867
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Speaker 4: Initially, I was like, Oh, that's going to be a

868
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: mistake they're going.

869
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: To Actually is one that it's a rare case where

870
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: the team might have gone too early because they didn't

871
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: need to. They could be in the situation that the

872
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys are with with Parsons now with Lawrence, and he

873
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: couldn't raise a stink about it, and they would extend

874
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: him this offseason and they would have saved a little

875
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: money on that, and he, you know, maybe wouldn't have

876
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: as much leverage after the season that he had. And

877
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: so brock Purty deserves the Trevor Lawrence contract. And the

878
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: funny thing is like, whether he's taking a slight discount

879
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: or not, all these guys are in the same ballpark

880
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: ish whether you're quarterback one or quarterback twelve. As long

881
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: as you're in that group that Derek Carr used to

882
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: be in that there's really not that huge of a difference.

883
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: The only way you could get a discount is if

884
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: you take a short term deal or if he really

885
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: was more in the Gino zone whatever. Gino's gonna sign

886
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: with joint Gino by the ways, on this list for extensions,

887
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: so you mentioned Micah. Yeah, like he's gonna have to

888
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: get more than Miles Garrett Getz, right, I mean, he's

889
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: gonna have to get more than Jamar Chase gets. He's

890
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: gonna have to be the next highest paid non quarterback

891
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: in the league. And it's kind of embarrassing. I think

892
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. He is literally the only star player

893
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: from a good player from that draft class that doesn't

894
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: have an extension yet. So that's going to the larger

895
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: point that I'm making about these early extensions. Now that

896
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: Chase is signed, I couldn't find another one that really

897
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: doesn't have an extent. I guess like Christian Benford, but

898
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: that was like a sixth seventh round cornerback. Like in

899
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: terms of restaurant pix, there's no one else. Travis Etn

900
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: is the next even closest, and you understand why he

901
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten this contract.

902
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, and if you look at the Cowboys,

903
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: you know projected cap space according to over the Cap,

904
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: they got forty four million in twenty twenty six, So

905
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: like not only did they not do it early, but

906
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: they're also going to have to break the bank and

907
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: use a good amount of cab space and make some

908
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: other moves to create some cab space to be able

909
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: to you.

910
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: Know, operate in the offseason next year.

911
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 3: It's just bad business out of them, and they're a

912
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: team that has just swung and missed when it comes

913
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: to extensions and almost everybody they paid Zeke too much

914
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: money before he went off a cliff, like, they just

915
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: keep misjudging the situation, and now they're in a spot where,

916
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: unless he were to get hurt, which God forbid he does,

917
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: hopefully he doesn't get hurt, they're gonna be paying a

918
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: premium on a guy that they probably could have paid

919
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: ten million dollars less per year a year ago.

920
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: And Cowboys fans are like, what does it matter, they'll

921
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: probably play him in the end.

922
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: Anyways.

923
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: Here here's why it matters, because you can't spend in

924
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: free agency this year as much as you would like to, yes,

925
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: because of the DAK CD contracts being signed late, the

926
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: DAK one specifically. I do think the DAK case was

927
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: an interesting, you know, inflection point where there actually was

928
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: a case to be made for getting a boatload of

929
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: picks for Dak and swallowing the cap hit last year.

930
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have made it.

931
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: I always tend to keep your your guy longer, but

932
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: it actually was a legitimate discussion. Unfortunately, he suffers that

933
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: injury right after they signed the front loaded sixty million

934
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: dollars a year extension, which again is not an average salary.

935
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: It's it's all very confusing.

936
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: But the other reason why it matters Cowboys fans is

937
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: you should be stiling Tyler Smith to a long term

938
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: extension this year. You should be working a year ahead,

939
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: and maybe they will, but that's the contract that you

940
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: should be working at, not a year behind. And so

941
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: that that makes me transition to the twenty twenty two class.

942
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Who's up?

943
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: And so this is a category of guys like most

944
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: of them seem like no brainers. I don't think we

945
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: need to talk about it too much. Indan Hutchinson Drake

946
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: London the receiver for the Falcons, obviously Hutchinson for the Lions.

947
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: They're always working ahead. I bet he gets his deal done.

948
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie for the Chiefs makes sense this offseason a

949
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: couple offensive linemen, which makes sense Tyler Linderbaum, Cam Jurgens

950
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: of the Eagles. You know they love paying their guys.

951
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: I bet they get paid this offseason. Trey McBride might

952
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: be the highest paid tight end in the game this offseason.

953
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton is a guy who's up for an extension.

954
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: I think a more interesting discussion could happen with the Jets, like,

955
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: do you sign both Sauce and Garrett Wilson to massive

956
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: deals this offseason? That will tell me that they're kind

957
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: of on the right track. I think you do, is

958
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: the answer to my own.

959
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: Question that you know, it would be a lot easier

960
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: to stomach that if they knew that they could ride

961
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: with a quarterback for long term, and that could delay

962
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: their decision making. Like let's say, in a crazy hypothetical

963
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: world that nobody except Jets fans and Justin Field's diehard

964
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: sees he has a year in which he proves he

965
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: can be the guy, and suddenly you're like, Oh, let's

966
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: work on a an extension or we're riding out the

967
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: second half of this deal, but we can also spend

968
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: this money because we haven't spent it on him yet.

969
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: It's better than it's because it's either that or going

970
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: with a young guy again. And it's affordable, and it

971
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: makes it possible to sign Sauce and Garrett Wilson because

972
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: those are two guys you don't want to move on

973
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: from right thy parts of your franchise, but you have

974
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: to be able to balance the sheet overall, and having

975
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: a cheap quarterback allows that. It makes it much more

976
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 3: possible for you.

977
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: You could sign one kind of and then take the

978
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: other one into next.

979
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 4: Week, you signing first. In that scenario, who do you

980
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 4: sign first?

981
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: That's tough. I say sign them both.

982
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: And I think the Jets have been making smart moves overall,

983
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: and I think it's the number. It's one of many reasons,

984
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: but it's the biggest reasons why you cut Aaron Rodgers

985
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: now is to clear up the books for next year.

986
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be even considering losing great players that you have.

987
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: These guys are rookies of the year, so I think

988
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: you find a way to get it done this offseason.

989
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: The Seahawks are interesting to me because they have Ken Walker,

990
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: Boy Mafe and Tyreek Woollan. I just think it might

991
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: say something about how they view the previous generation of players.

992
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: Who has the juice in that building seems like a

993
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: John Schneider building. What is Mike McDonald's vision. That defense

994
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: looks awesome as bad an offseason as it is, I

995
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: think on offense for the Seahawks, I think they could

996
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: have a top five defense. So do they sign any

997
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: either of those guys long term? Daniel Jurremia brought up

998
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: George Pickens as a potential trade guy this offseason. I

999
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: misspoke on forties and freedoms. He doesn't have a fifth

1000
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: year option because he's a second year draft pick. I

1001
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: can't imagine they're extending him. Shook, and so do you

1002
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: think he'd have a trade market?

1003
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1004
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: I thought that they would trade him next year or

1005
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: maybe at the deadline this year, depending on how the

1006
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: season goes and who they have at quarterback. But I

1007
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 3: can't imagine he gets another deal with them. I would

1008
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 3: see them using him as a trade chip at some.

1009
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: Point, maybe during the draft.

1010
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they could get like a third round pick for

1011
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: George Pickens during the draft, maybe a second even, who knows,

1012
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: for a team that really feels like they need a

1013
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver. With the Patriots, like think they can like

1014
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: fixed George Pickens. Who knows James Cook is an interesting one.

1015
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: I think the Bills have to make some decisions. Christian

1016
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Benford dimensions up for an extension. James Cook's an interesting one.

1017
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1018
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: I wonder I think they should, but you can't pay everyone,

1019
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: and if he is gonna get like just below Saquon money,

1020
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: that could be one. Would they shock me with potential

1021
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: trade or maybe they just ride it out into like

1022
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: franchise tag territory.

1023
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see the latter.

1024
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: I think riding it out makes the most sense because

1025
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: then you extract the most value from him on his

1026
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: interesting contract, but it.

1027
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 4: Makes for a big year for Ray Davis.

1028
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 2: There you go.

1029
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Nick Bonito is an interesting potential extension guy.

1030
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: Zach Allen.

1031
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: Nick Benito is a pass rusher for the Broncos who

1032
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: got Defensive Player of the Year votes. Zach Allen deserves

1033
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: some and was an All Pro. He's a veteran. I'm

1034
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: sticking with the twenty twenty two class. Chris Olave is

1035
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: an interesting one. Jamison Williams. I think they might just

1036
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: pick up the fifth year option but not sign him

1037
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: long term. He's sort of in that in between zone.

1038
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: Kirby Joseph might be a guy that the Lions try

1039
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: to sign long term. And then a couple veterans I

1040
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you had any, but just a couple

1041
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: of veterans that we're waiting to find out about Gino.

1042
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 2: Interesting. I still haven't seen that deal. I assume it's coming.

1043
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: Joe Toney, Like, are the Bears gonna extend Joe Toney

1044
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: because otherwise he's a free agent next offseason? And like, yeah,

1045
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: he's getting up there in years. Terry McLaurin is another one.

1046
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're working on an extension. He's a

1047
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: free agent again but getting into the thirties and so

1048
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: those are those are some of the extension watch players

1049
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: for this offseason.

1050
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to run back a little bit here, Olave.

1051
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an extension because he hasn't been

1052
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: able to stay on the field, and frankly, I have

1053
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: my own personal concerns about his concussion history and just

1054
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: as well being. When it comes to Joe Toney, it's

1055
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: a matter of how much you know, how much longer

1056
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: do you want to play? But I think the Bears

1057
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: of you, you know, you add them to your roster,

1058
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: you want to extend him it just seems like a

1059
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: wise investment. Zach Allen definitely deserves money. I've loved him

1060
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: since he was in Arizona. And Gino remains intriguing because

1061
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: it tells us a lot about the Raiders' plans. What

1062
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: exactly do they want to do? How far do they

1063
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: think that this could go. Is it a stop gap?

1064
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: Seems like a right now thing, but they feel like

1065
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 3: they're very much just operating in the right now.

1066
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: It's a complicated contract. I'm not surprised it's taking a minute.

1067
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: I suspect they have a verbal ballpark where they felt

1068
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: good about everything going into the trade, and it's figuring

1069
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: out the particulars. My guess is it's two years of

1070
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, and they probably are happy to see that

1071
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: Darnald contract come in. If you're Geno's representation and see, okay,

1072
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: that gives us a benchmark, we're going to go over that,

1073
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: but we want more guaranteed than that. So that's just

1074
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: a look ahead at some of the extensions that could

1075
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: be coming up this offseason. A lot of news SHOOKI

1076
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: always good to have you on the program. What's going

1077
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: on in Cleveland this week?

1078
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: You know?

1079
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: Oh, the weather was great over the weekend, but we're

1080
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 3: back into the thirties.

1081
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: So you know, what are you working on body wise?

1082
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: These days? What's today? What's today?

1083
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: He's going to be a leg day. It's definitely gonna

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Speaker 3: be a leg day. Start the week with your legs, folks.

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Speaker 3: Don't skip leg Day and in fact, abandoned Chess Day

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Speaker 3: for leg Day.

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Speaker 4: That's my words of wisdom.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I'm going to go in today because we're

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Speaker 1: taping this so early, not going into the office, so

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Speaker 1: I got some time, so I'm going to listen to you, Shook.

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Speaker 1: I want to listen to you one day. I want

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Speaker 1: to look like like Nick Schuk. I will never look

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Speaker 1: like Shuk though. Unfortunately, we're going to be back. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Rodrigue of the Athletic is with me on our Tuesday show.

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Speaker 2: I got a fun one plan for you there.

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Speaker 1: And yes, if you've been paying attention to the NFL

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Speaker 1: for the last twenty years, when you're talking about Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers and what he's going to do next, that's when

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Speaker 1: you actually know football is back.