1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: All right, let's charge the mound and get back to 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: the Edwin Diaz fallout. We have some word on how 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: this went down, so we mentioned this in the Ken 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Rosenthal segment. I think it's worth bringing up again. The 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Mets were a few million off crafts. They said, hey, 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: we've got room here, come back to us. He said, 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: you better give us your best shot. Went to the Dodgers. 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: That's how free agency works. You don't sure is it 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: potentially respectful to allow the team that's paid you a 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: lot of money and had you there to get their 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: last best offer. But he has the right as a 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: free agent most major league players. Let's say you get 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: picked out of high school or international draft signing right like, 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: you don't get the free agency for essentially a decade. 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: If you get signed not longer, he doesn't owe you ship. 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: And by the way, also, I'm gonna say this like 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: he's been on the Mets. He knows what the Mets 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: are about. 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: Yep. 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 2: As much as this is gonna pay Mets fans to 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: hear it, he's just watched the Dodgers win two World 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: Series in a row. They needed a closer. They offered 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: him more money he wanted to go to la because 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: what have we talked about. It's a destination he chose, 25 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: he made his choice. It's nothing against the Mets, and 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll come out and say it's nothing against 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: the Mets. He got more money, he got a better deal, 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: and he's going to a place it's won back to 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: back World Series championships. Good for him, that's it. Good 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: for him. 31 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 4: I'm sorry Mets fans, but good for him. 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm gonna double down on Mets fans here. If 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: it's only three million that he made the choice, he 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: probably didn't like it as much as three million is 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: out there, Like three million dollars is in the scope 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: of how much he's made already. You're talking a guy 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: that's made over one hundred million dollars or will have 38 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: made over one hundred million dollars in his career. He's 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: been there, he's enjoyed it. He had success in Seattle, 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: was part of a big trade over there, saw what 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 3: happens when you don't do well, and then has been 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 3: lights out since he's been there. I just maybe it's 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: not all peaches and cream like it's you know, like 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: it's shown on the outside, and ultimately aj Will. I 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: assume AJ will gree with me. When you're a player 46 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: and you're talking about sixty six or sixty nine million dollars, 47 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: what's the second what's the second price? You want a ring, 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: and you want as many rings as possible. And I 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: think he knows he can go and chase that with 50 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, and maybe he could have chased it with 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: the Mets. But he knows he could have chased that 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 3: with the Dodgers. 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: And I guess he didn't want to play where he 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: goes to the Mets and says, hey, I've got another team, 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: or maybe even says. 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: How many times do you have to go back to 57 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: the Mets. He's like, I have a better offer. Make 58 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: me your best offer. You can't just keep going back 59 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: to the team and saying I want to stay here 60 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: so badly. Make me your best offer. I have a 61 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: better offer on the table. I'm not telling you what team. 62 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: You can probably guess make me your best offer. And 63 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: if they don't do it, then that's on them. They 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: clearly they chose Devin Williams over Edwin deal. 65 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: Kratz. The Mets won the one Soto Sweet Sakes last 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: year that involves much more than just you know, a 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: GM combo. David Stearns was running the Brewers. This was 68 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: not what he did there. They don't do that. The 69 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: Bruers won't do any of this. 70 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: Right. 71 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: What's the narrative around the Brewers this offseason? Will they 72 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: trade Freddy Perraulton? 73 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: That right? 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: They're looking at expiring contracts that are looming and how 75 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: they should operate with either keeping them or trading them. 76 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: They don't even have to call people like this. I 77 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: don't want to say a lack of experience, but what 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: do you think of his approach so far? 79 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: I mean, our narrative changed in June. Our narrative change 80 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: I think May twentieth when the starting pitching became what 81 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: we thought they were going to become. But we have 82 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: to make sure everybody knows that we're putting David Stearns 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: in this like Okay, his owner wants to spend or 84 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: can spend like the Dodgers. David Sterns is not like 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: all the other gms which are way down here, who 86 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: have owners that are just like Nope, nope, do not spend, 87 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: do not spend. David Stearns has a formula. He has 88 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: a theory based loosely on the fact that he doesn't 89 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: want to go very bad. 90 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 5: Stop. 91 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: I have someone that wants to say hi to you. 92 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if you can hear them. Can you 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: see who this is? 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: Hired me and fired me? 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 5: He said, he hired you, hired him and fired him. 96 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: That's one decision was good. 97 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: The firing. Clearly, he was good for us, Neil. 98 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: Huntington, for everybody who is just listening. 99 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: But you do help. 100 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: But like this, this is what Steve Cohen has signed 101 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 3: up to allow his general manager to do. Clearly, Steve 102 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: Cohen went, We're gonna get Wan Soto. I want to 103 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: make my mark. I want to put my foot down 104 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 3: and say New York is a Mets town, which is 105 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 3: still not yet until they win a World Series or three. 106 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: And David Stearns is brought in to kind of be 107 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: that guy who's he's very like people said when he 108 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: got hired, he's a kid in a candy store. Well, 109 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: he understands that there's cavities that come with candy. He 110 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: understands all that stuff. And I think I think it 111 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: is going to be his legacy in New York if 112 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 3: it doesn't work out that he wasn't willing to make 113 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 3: the big splash that might look stupid in three years, 114 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: but is very very much worth it the first two 115 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: years of a contract. 116 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to a former met in Stephen mattz 117 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: aj We're on the show right now and everything can 118 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: be heard. But that's okay. Hey, we're on the show. Hello, 119 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: we can hear just for everyone. They are heard him 120 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: along the globe. So the bike's picking it up. 121 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: Just I don't care. 122 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: Warning the masses quick, Stephen mattz He signed uh two years, 123 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: raise raiser doing something two years. 124 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: It was two years. 125 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: We saw that we'll let Crats go first on this. 126 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 3: One good pickup. I was surprised it was two years, 127 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: and not because Steven Matts isn't worth it, because he's 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: definitely made himself into the Swiss Army knife kind of 129 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: pitcher in his career now. I was just looking it up. 130 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: In his career, he has one hundred and seventy two games, 131 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: started a lot of them early, but he saved two 132 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: games last year. He's coming out of the bullpen majority 133 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: from twenty four and twenty five. To me, he's never 134 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: been He was never when he was a starter He's 135 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: never a guy that was giving you seven or eight innings, 136 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: and I think teams have kind of seen this value. 137 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: And anytime the Rays give a pitcher a two year deal, 138 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: you say, what are they gonna do with them? Well, 139 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: the value is not to me, the value in Steven 140 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: Mattz is not gonna be in the bullpen as much 141 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: as that's how he was used last year with Boston 142 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: and Saint Louis. To me, I think they're gonna try 143 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: to do like a zach Eflin type of deal where 144 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: we're gonna get you to start. We're seeing this value 145 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: and I'd be surprised if he plays more than a 146 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: full season with the race. 147 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: I love this. This is what the Rays did. 148 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: They find these guys and next thing you know, Steven 149 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: Mats will throw two hundred and twenty, just throw all 150 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: breaking balls. I don't know the race we're gonna they're 151 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: all knuckleballs or. 152 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: So the Rays will do something. This is what we 153 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: talk about. You receive the match. 154 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: Two years is nice man. 155 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: Two years is his age good for him and he's 156 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: a value guy. He proved his value for He figured 157 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: some roll out that's been really nice. 158 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: Kratz. Things are happening. You want to talk me through 159 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: what Ken Rosenthal put out there. The Orioles match the 160 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Phillies offer to Kyle Schwarber, and the Reds were also 161 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: at five years for Swarber. So we continue to get 162 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: more coming out about what went down. The problem I 163 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: have here is that you know you're gonna have to 164 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: beat the Phillies, and I know that's not exactly how 165 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: it works. It's not like Kyle goes to them and says, hey, 166 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: here's my number, although that does often happen in negotiations 167 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: where he's like, I'm at this. Sometimes the other side 168 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: doesn't believe that person or that rep But I think 169 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: that it went along the lines of I'm at this, 170 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: can you beat it? And clearly those teams did not 171 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: choose to beat it. I give a ton of credit 172 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: to them for at least going five years. You knew 173 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: that was what it was going to take. I'll continue 174 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: to shit on the Pirates for not being real. I 175 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: disagree with Ken, our buddy on that whole situation, But 176 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: thoughts on the Orioles and the Reds being in the 177 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: running for Kyle Schwarber. 178 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: I love that the Orioles made the same offer. Now 179 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: people hear it as oh, well, he shows the Phillies 180 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: over the I'm sure the Phillies said, go to free agency. 181 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: Whatever you're offered, bring it back to us and we'll 182 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: match it. That shows that Kyle wanted to play in 183 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: Philly again. Kyle enjoys what they've built and not quite 184 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: finished yet. Had they won the World Series this year, 185 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: maybe maybe Schwarber's like, you know what, I'll go somewhere 186 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: else and see what else there is out there. We'll 187 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: never know. But the fact that the Orioles made the 188 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: same offer, the fact that the Reds made the same offer. 189 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: What do both of those teams have position player wise? 190 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: Young players who are trying to establish themselves in the 191 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: big leagues and they understand what kind of value Kyle 192 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: Schwarber brings to a roster of young guys. Could he 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: make both of those teams better? One? Could he make 194 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: both of those teams better for more than the five 195 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: years that he's there. Absolutely, Because anytime that you're able 196 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: to dive into, you know, the psyche of a Gunner 197 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 3: Henderson who was a top three MVP candidate and then 198 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: started off the season a little bit injured, and you're 199 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: able to say, Hey, this is how I approached this guy, 200 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: this is how I dealt with the fact that my 201 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: second year, third year, fifth year in the league, Lefty 202 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: started feeding me more sliders and I used to take 203 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: the ball the other way. Schwarber will bring so much 204 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: information to a team like that. As Orioles fans, you 205 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: got to be excited about it. And I'm not going 206 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: to trash on these offers because they got to the 207 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: five years. Was it enough money? No? But was it 208 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: ever going to be enough money? Had they gone to 209 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: one sixty, that's ten million more, Schubert probably would have 210 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 3: gone to mister Middleton and the Phillies and said, I 211 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: just got one sixty. What do you got? So I 212 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: don't think they would have ever gotten there. But to 213 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: me as an Orioles fan and a Reds fan, it 214 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: shows me is there's somebody else on the market that 215 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: I can now say, Okay, they're willing to go. Let's 216 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: say it's one forty, or for the Orioles it was 217 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: one fifty. Who can we go and add to this lineup? 218 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: Or for the Orioles probably needed more in the rotation. 219 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: Who can we add to the rotation for one hundred 220 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: and fifty million. See if the Oriols do it, because 221 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: they did it last year. They made the offer last 222 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: year to Corbyn Burns and it was short. I think 223 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: they knew it was going to be short, but it 224 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: was short. 225 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: So here's the deal with how things work. Once a 226 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: player ends up signing somewhere and then the losing offers 227 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: come out, the teams want those to get out. They 228 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: want their fan base to know that they were in it. 229 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: They tried, they put good money out there, and they 230 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: should that's great. The other side of the coin is 231 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: the fan base looks and says, okay, so you've got that, 232 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: where's it going now? Like you mentioned, okay, let's take 233 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: some of that. Let's look for pitching. Where is it 234 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: going now? I don't know how the Orioles look at 235 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: their roster and feel like they've got a winning pitching 236 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: staff or even anything close to it. 237 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: Do you not at all? And it shows you where 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: Michaelias is okay spending money. Who did he go out 239 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: and get last year? Sigano. He tried to get Burns, 240 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: but they were like, we don't want to get you know, 241 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: we'll get too deep into a contract there. So we can't. 242 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: We just can't play in the max freed market. We 243 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: can't play in the We got a trade for our 244 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: pitchers because he's risk adverse on pitching. He went out 245 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: and got Tyler O'Neill was his biggest expenditure in the offseason, 246 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: like another position player. Clearly, Michael Ias says, I'm good 247 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: with just just paying for a position player, a lot 248 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: less risk to me, you gotta this is the time 249 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: to strike and push like you pushed for Kyle Schwarber, 250 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: push for a starting pitcher, not just pushing for Trek 251 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 3: Scooble and say, uh, you know, we couldn't get Trek 252 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 3: Skuble away from the Tigers because we didn't want to 253 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: get rid of four of our top prospects. 254 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm with you, good call, got some other things I'll 255 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: float your way as it's coming through. The Edwin Diaz 256 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: contract has deferrals in it, and it's for four and 257 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: a half million dollars per year. According to Joel Sherman. 258 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: That puts the luxury tax number at around twenty one 259 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: million per season. So shot, there's deferrals in the deal. 260 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: The Mets also had deferrals in the deal for Edwin 261 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Diaz eventually we'll get the number. Usually they come up 262 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: with the number the net present value, which is important 263 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: and I can talk all about it because AJ is 264 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: not on right now and he doesn't understand how that works. 265 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: But twenty one million dollars per year for three years 266 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: is how much they end up getting Edwin Diaz for right, 267 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: And we saw that Devin Williams was three point fifty 268 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: ish with all the deferral mish mash right. Yes, So 269 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean again I don't have final math numbers, and 270 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: there's different comps the Players Association versus the luxury packs number, 271 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: those numbers are all different, right, But the point is 272 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: Edwin Diaz essentially signed for a very similar number to 273 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: Devin Williams. I don't understand that one. 274 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: It's it's not similar. It's definitely about four million, four 275 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,479 Speaker 3: million year different. So there's that's significant. That is significant. 276 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: But what's not significant? But yeah, it is like just 277 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: the sheer number of saves, the sheer numbers of two 278 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: guys that came off of platform years. You talk about 279 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: Edwin Diaz had a one six y three is era 280 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: plus last year was I mean, this isn't even it's 281 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: not even fair. Eer plus is a little bit different 282 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 3: for relievers, but it was a two forty eight ERA 283 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: plus last year. And you look at it. Devin Williams, 284 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: who has you're talking about Edwin Diaz has two hundred 285 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: and fifty three career saves. Devin Williams had a down year. 286 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 3: He doesn't even have one hundred saves yet. So you're 287 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: looking at it and you say, Okay, his ERA plus 288 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: last year was eighty five. So the fact that the 289 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: numbers are close, I am so surprised at the MET. 290 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 3: I mean, the numbers are not close. I'm surprised that 291 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: the numbers. As far as financially, the Mets would not 292 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: bring back Edwin Diaz. 293 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: I just don't. Yeah, like you already had him here, Kratz. 294 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: I'd rather pay a little bit more and get the 295 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: commodity that I know. It's not that Devin Williams is bad. 296 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: And yes, I know his stuff was good, but his 297 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: results were not great. I know it was a rocky start, 298 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: but his results were not great, and he felt like 299 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: he figured out how to pitch in New York. Okay, 300 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: until the next adversity strikes. For me, I don't think 301 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: there is a I don't think there's a comparison here 302 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: for what would have made sense for the Mets to 303 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: lock down their ninth inning. 304 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 4: Right. 305 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: We did not see a full brilliant season from Devin Williams. 306 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: We saw flashes. We saw guys reaching down for his 307 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: change up and turning it into Knox when that didn't 308 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: happen in the past. Again, really good picture, good stuff. 309 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: I like Edwin Diaz way better. And this leads us 310 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: to Anthony Nacomo reporting on pet Alnzo, who is here 311 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: today in Orlando, not meeting with the Mets. They already 312 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: know each other very well. But Anthony Dicomo said he 313 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: covers the Mets for MLB. He said the sticking point 314 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: between the Mets. Oh no, this was from Mark finesand 315 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: actually who also inside of f MLB. Mark said the 316 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: sticking point between the Mets and Alonzo could very well 317 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: be years, as sources say the Mets baby hesitant to 318 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: go more than three years with the first baseman. Okay, well, 319 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: it's about to get swiped again, like do you want 320 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: him or not? I mean they want him at a 321 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: certain level. I think another team should jump in for 322 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: someone like him too. It's not just first. I think 323 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: he can age well as a designated hitter, don't you. 324 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 3: It's not like you have a designated hitter already, Like, 325 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: why would he? To me, somebody has to answer me 326 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 3: why a five year deal would not play well? Why 327 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: is that because of what happened to Jose Braden, because 328 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: of what happened to other guy? Like there's no team 329 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: that knows Pete better than the Mets, and there's no 330 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: team that knows the Mets better than Pete Alonzo. To me, 331 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 3: you've lost two cornerstone pieces of this recent this recent 332 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 3: build of Mets, and I think I think you can't 333 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: miss out on Pete. I don't know where. Where do 334 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 3: they go? They're gonna say, well, we'll put Mark, We'll 335 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 3: put Vientos's Vientos is twenty two to twenty seven home 336 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: runs over at first base, Like you're just going to 337 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: create a first basement because you don't want to give 338 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: Pete two extra years on top of what makes you uncomfortable, 339 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 3: Like three years. Well, yeah, it's great if you can 340 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: get the deal for three years, but do you want him? 341 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 3: Do you want him? And can you replace guaranteed forty 342 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: homers at first base? 343 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to bring aj into this conversation. So since 344 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: you've been gone, but you've been gone exactly, I did 345 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: that for you. We learned that there are four and 346 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: a half million dollars a year in deferrals in Edmund 347 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: Diez's deal, so it's more like a three year sixty ish, 348 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: So it's pretty damn close to the Devin Williams three 349 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: year fifty right. But moving to Pee Alonzo, where Mark 350 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: Finesan reported, I'm just explaining the money. We already talked 351 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: about that when you were gone. But Mark Finesand said, 352 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: it sounds like years are going to be a hang 353 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: up for Mets and Pete Alonzo at three years, and 354 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, Pete Alonzo's two years younger than Kyle Schwarber. 355 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: I know that he wants to play first base, but 356 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: he absolutely can be a DH whether it's next year 357 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: or beyond four or five years. For Pee Alonzo, for example, 358 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: one forty four ops plus this past season thirty eight homers. 359 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber hit many more the Mets ballpark wise, it's 360 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: probably top five pitchers park and he's putting up numbers 361 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: like that. Schwarber's one fifty ops plus in terms of 362 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: the way that the that you wait average right against 363 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: the league and the ballpark. Peter Alonzo and Kyle Schwarber 364 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: were pretty close this past season. 365 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: And also, let's not forget we were giving Schwarber all 366 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: this love for his clubhouse presidence and all that. Peter 367 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: Alonzo from what you when you talk to people on 368 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: the Mets, pee A. Lonzo ain't far behind, like his 369 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: clubhouse presidents and what he brings to that team every day, 370 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: the energy and all that stuff. 371 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 5: I listen. 372 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 4: I love Pete Alonso. I think he's he's an unbelievable player. 373 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 5: I just I don't know. I can't believe the Mets. 374 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: Just Uncle Stevie, he needs to open that checkbook and 375 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: just finish this. 376 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: I just think that David Stearns and his staff don't 377 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: love the profile. 378 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 5: But Dave, okay, So what does David Searns love. 379 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: The Brewers? 380 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 5: I'm serious, Like christ you know him better than I do. 381 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 5: What does he love? 382 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: What? 383 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 5: Like? What's his He said he doesn't love the profile? 384 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 5: What what does he love? 385 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 3: I think he likes finding finding value in places, and 386 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 3: I think he's being a very good steward of his money. 387 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: He is not he is not just going and spending 388 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: frivolously because he doesn't want to put the Mets in 389 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 3: a situation five ten years down the road where they're hamstrung. 390 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 3: And he's I'm assuming, I'm just this is not anything 391 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 3: he's told me. I'm assuming he sees other organizations that 392 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: could be set up for something down the road where 393 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: it's not necessarily a good look. You know, you're an 394 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: aging roster. To me, there's gotta be some kind of 395 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 3: kind of like what Michaelias is doing down in Baltimore. 396 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 3: There's got to be some kind of give and take. 397 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 3: You got to go outside of your comfort bubble and 398 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: maybe maybe him and Stevie Cohen. Uncle Stevie said, look, 399 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: we're definitely doing the wan Soto. I don't care what 400 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: money it takes. We're doing it. And Stearns was like, 401 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: that's fine. I just want you to know that I'm 402 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: not going to act like that. I'm not gonna push. 403 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna push like that because I don't think 404 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: it is worth it, and I have history that says 405 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 3: it's not worth it. But the reality is New York 406 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 3: Mets need to start winning, and if they don't start winning, 407 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: some of these negotiations all of a sudden, you're gonna 408 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 3: be looking at one Soto and Lindor. Like the team 409 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 3: all of a sudden doesn't have a whole lot because 410 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 3: we've seen they need a lot of pitching. But if 411 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 3: you get rid of Nemo, I think twenty five or 412 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 3: twenty seven home runs, you don't re sign Pete. Now 413 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 3: that's forty plus every single year. You're all of a sudden, 414 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: like you shouldn't be claiming guys off of the DFA 415 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 3: list to fill out your roster when you're in New 416 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 3: York and you have Uncle Stevie's money. 417 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: And they're not. I mean, they have good prospects, their 418 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: farm systems in a good place right now, but as 419 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: you saw at the end of last year, it's more 420 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: tilted towards pitching. In mind, they love this guy Carson 421 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: Benz who's now filler have Jet Williams. So there's two guys, right, 422 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: but maybe one of them works out where they're a 423 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: really productive player. I'm just playing the math game on prospects. Okay, 424 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,239 Speaker 1: still got a lot to fill for a team that 425 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: has the top three payroll, A. 426 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: Lot of holes because when you because when you sign 427 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: a Wan Soto that there's so much that's already involved there, 428 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: and then you have already have Lindor and then you 429 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 2: trade for Simeon. I know it's kind of a wash 430 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: with the NEMO, but there's three guys that are making 431 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: throwing McNeil and you throw in all these I mean, 432 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: right there, three guys, you have one hundred million. 433 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: So I'll put this, I'll put this back at you, guys. Scott. 434 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: You asked Darraffneckmark, and you asked us who would you 435 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: rather have Dz or Pete Alonzo. Here's my question, who 436 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: would you rather have Framber Valdez or Pete Alonzo? Because clearly, 437 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: right now, as we're sitting here today December ninth, the 438 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: Mets have to choose. Your answer is going to be both. 439 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: The Mets clearly are showing who do you want? Who 440 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: do you want Framber for six or seven years or 441 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: Pete for five? 442 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez just because I think Framber needs to go 443 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: to a smaller market, but I think it's the same concept. Well, 444 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: I would say the Toronto Blue Jays are the talk 445 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: of the off season for now. 446 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: Schnyder's right there, Kraill. 447 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 1: Schneider right here, Dylan getting signed there you go. Cody 448 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: Ponce was signed by this team, not as well known 449 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: of a name, but could be a big impact guy too. 450 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: We're seeing what the deals with them with Kyle Tucker 451 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: and Boba Chet. But wait, they also might shed a 452 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: player off their roster. We learned a little bit more 453 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: about Jose Brios's situation. Did you guys see this? He 454 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: was pissed about being left off the roster all that 455 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: I also heard. 456 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 4: About those people. It's crazy. I went through this before. Kratz. 457 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever were on a team 458 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 2: where you were left I was in twenty fourteen. I 459 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: was on the Cardinals and Mike Metheni called me and said, hey, 460 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: we're leaving you off the ALDS or NLDS roster. And 461 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: I said okay, and he goes, you have the choice. 462 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: You can go with the team or you can you 463 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: can go home. And I'm like, I'm part of the team. 464 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 2: I'm going with the team to La right. So I 465 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 2: flew and cheered my ass off and we won that 466 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: series and the next series. Guess what I had to 467 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: play because yacht he got hurt, right, So I don't 468 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 2: understand that he wasn't there. He like for the LCS, 469 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: I think, and the World Series. 470 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ross Atkins spoke like what yesterday he said 471 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: he was removed from the rotation, not with the days 472 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: during the World Series. Disappointed he wasn't in the rotation. 473 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he said in the quote, handled it well 474 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: on why he wasn't seen much in the postseason. Think 475 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: he was just having a tough time. 476 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 4: Huh. 477 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. I get it. You're pissed, But 478 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: then you get your you get your two days. You 479 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: guys had days off. You're told you're not on the 480 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: playoff roster. You gave everything you had this season, your 481 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 3: thirty one starts. You know what, you stay ready. Maybe 482 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: there's another round that you do need to be needed in, 483 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 3: Like they sure as heck don't want to call somebody 484 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: up from the minor leagues to fill the spot if 485 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 3: they're like you, stay ready. A team win a victory 486 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: in the World's winning the World Series is not done 487 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: just by the twenty six guys that are on that roster. 488 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: It's guys that were there for half a season, Guys 489 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: that were there for an entire season and get left 490 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 3: off the roster because a roster construction, like you need 491 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 3: to be the best. That's a perfect time to be 492 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: the best teammate. And if you're pissed good, be ready, 493 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: be around, be available. So I get it. It's tough, 494 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: but the Blue Jays they're clearly focused on wanting to 495 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 3: win a World Series. And if he's won, that is like, hey, 496 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not willing to what did stromanshay? 497 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: What did Stroman say last year in spring training? I'm 498 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: not a reliever. I'm a starter. Like if there's if 499 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: you know, if he's willing to draw a line in 500 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 3: the sand, then you know he might not be on 501 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 3: this team by from what from what we're from what 502 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 3: we're hearing from Ken. 503 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 4: My whole thing is why why do you? I understand it? 504 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 4: Kind of a crowd said, do you understand? You're mad? 505 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: But you still have been on this team for a 506 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: long time and you battled with these guys the entire 507 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 2: year and years going back, and here's your chance to enjoy. 508 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 2: Even if you're not on the field, you still have 509 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: a chance to be around your guys and help out. 510 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 2: Maybe you can say something to a pitcher or a hitter, 511 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: Hey I saw this or I noticed this right, one 512 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: little thing that might change a game and help them win. 513 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 2: Be there for that. Be a cheerleader, cheer your ass off. 514 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: I remember went, like I said, twenty fourteen and the Ods. 515 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: I cheered my ass off for the Cardinals. And I 516 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: was only there for a few months, but I was 517 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: locked in and descalso and John Jay and Adam, Wayne 518 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: Right and Mad those guys are friends for life because 519 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: we went through that together and we didn't win, but 520 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 2: we were there and I was there, Like, this is 521 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: what you don't want to miss. 522 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 3: Man. 523 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: You play your whole freaking life to get a chance 524 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: to go the World Series. Whether you're on the roster 525 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: or not, you're in the World Series and you can 526 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 2: help your brothers in the fight. I'm sorry, but this 527 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: is just a bad look man, Like you gotta be 528 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: especially now. 529 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 4: Listen, I'll say this, I. 530 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: Think do we lose us, But I'll say this, like, 531 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: if you're the twenty you know, thirtieth guy or whatever, Okay, great, 532 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: but this guy was a part. 533 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 4: Of their rotation for years, Like he should be there. 534 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: He should be in that dugout, he should be on 535 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: those flights, he should be in those meetings. Because again, 536 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: maybe Pete Walker sees something and Burrio sees something different 537 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: and he's like, I saw this, I faced this guy 538 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: this one time, and this pitch worked and it might 539 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: help us win the World Series. 540 00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: That's it. 541 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: It's just about being there for your boys. 542 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: Man. 543 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: He was with the club through the end of the 544 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: Alcs and then he left before the World Series. 545 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: Okay, oh, you got to the World Series. You can't 546 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: sit there for another ten days. 547 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: At the most. 548 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm like in pain even learning the news like that. 549 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: I know, because all I've heard about Brios was what 550 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 2: a great dude you was, What a great teammate he was. 551 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: You can't baby at that point in life, right, You 552 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: guys always say you're doing this, it's. 553 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 4: Not about you at that point. It's not about craps. 554 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: It's not about you at that point. It is about 555 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 4: your team winning the ultimate prize, which is the World Series. 556 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 4: It's not about you. 557 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: Like, no matter what your feelings are at that point, 558 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: your feelings go out to win it. Remember we talked 559 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: to Max Muncie and they won the World Series last 560 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: year and he went, oh for the World Series, and 561 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: you know what he said, nobody gives a shit because 562 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: we won the World Series and nobody remembers that I 563 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: didn't get a hit, and this year, right, they won 564 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: the World Series again, and guess what, whoever didn't have 565 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: a World I don't even know who had good World Series? 566 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 4: Who did? 567 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: Obviously we know who the MVP is, Yamamoto and all 568 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: this and that, but I can't tell you who got 569 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: hits and who did it. 570 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 4: All I know is the Dodgers won. Doesn't matter. Winning 571 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 4: cures everything. 572 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: One fan replied on a tweet when this quote got 573 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: out there, and they were like, if the Blue Jays 574 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: had won, does he want to ring because he doesn't 575 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: even want to be there. He doesn't give a shit. 576 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you gotta be harsh about that. You tell me, 577 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: how would this go? How would this go? Guy that's 578 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: been there for a while, pretty nice guy. All of 579 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: a sudden you get this curve ball where you're trying 580 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: to focus on winning a World Series and he's not 581 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: even there. 582 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's not about you at that point. 583 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: You do every you throw everything you can into those 584 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 2: seven games series. If it's gonna be seven games to 585 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: win four games, you. 586 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 4: You literally when people say. 587 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,239 Speaker 2: Like this is an extreme, I died for that, Like 588 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: you literally you're hurt, you're this. You throw every ounce 589 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: of energy that you have in your soul at that 590 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 2: for those ten games, and you say, I am ten games, 591 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: ten days, seven games, every ounce of focus. I love 592 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: your family, I love your mom and dad, I love 593 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: your wife, kids, all that, but my focus for the 594 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: next ten days is on these seven games. 595 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 4: And it's not about you. 596 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: It's about the twenty five other dudes, the coaches, and 597 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: all the people that got you that one. 598 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: What if someone got hurt in the World Series and 599 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: he could have rescued them. 600 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. 601 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: You're not there. You're get you're getting paid prats to 602 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: do that. Butse A Brios makes a lot of money. 603 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: You're not there. I'm actually surprised that you can't find 604 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: or suspend. 605 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: Or do something. 606 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: Clearly, the Blue Jays are taking the high road. He 607 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: can just be like cool, I'm out. He's on the roster. 608 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: He's not on the playoff roster, but he's on the 609 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: freaking team. 610 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: Why are you saying not because he's not getting paid 611 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: Technically the championship season is like, technically, you wouldn't have 612 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 3: to stay if you're not an active player. I remember 613 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: one year I got I wasn't take I wasn't put 614 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: on the roster for the one for the one series 615 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: and they were like, do you want to go down 616 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 3: to Florida and stay ready? I was like, no, I 617 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 3: want to stay ready with the team here, Like there's 618 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 3: nothing that mimics the environment that if something happens, I 619 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: have to come back and be ready, Like I don't 620 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: think they have to. I don't think that if you're 621 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: not on the roster, they don't have to mandate that 622 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: you're there like a fine or anything. But it's gonna change. 623 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: It's gonna change a little bit. In the moment, none 624 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: of his teammates are sitting there going, oh, man, I 625 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: wish Josey was here. I wish he was here. And 626 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: maybe that makes him feel bad because he's like, oh, 627 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 3: I'm not even a part of this. But everything aj 628 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: said is exactly spot on. But now this year, if 629 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 3: he is not traded, how does that make them feel? 630 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 3: I'll tell you, when the dust settles, you sit there 631 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 3: and you know who had your back, who was who 632 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 3: was riding with the boys, what those people did. There's 633 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 3: different levels of every you know, some starters think that 634 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: the bench guys don't really have that big a piece 635 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: to this. Some bench guys think that the guys in 636 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: the stay hot camp don't have a piece to it. 637 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 3: But every single person that has something to do with 638 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 3: this team getting to Game seven, getting to one out 639 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 3: in the top of the ninth inning in Game seven 640 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 3: of the World Series with a lead, has something to 641 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: do with that moment, and it's important anybody that bails 642 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: on that. And at the end of the day you 643 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 3: sit back and you're like, wait a minute, he bailed 644 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 3: on us. What happened? What if It's like the old 645 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: dumb and dumber skit, like what if they had shot 646 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 3: you in the face. We were willing to take that risk. 647 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: What if somebody what if Trey you Savage gets hurt 648 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: in his first outing and they need another starter. You 649 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 3: think they're just going to Louis v Arland. No, they 650 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: want a starter. Hosey, where are you not there? You 651 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: didn't choose. 652 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: Preparing for the World Series? 653 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 2: But again, you work your whole life. He's ever been 654 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: to the World Series. He got to the World Series. 655 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: Even if you're not there, go there and soak up 656 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: the moment. Sit in Toronto in the dugout and just 657 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: look around and be and just wow. I'm in the 658 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: game seven of the World Series. I'm not playing, but 659 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 2: I at least I got the best seat in the house. 660 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 2: I'm in the dugout on one of the teams fighting 661 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: for a championship. 662 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 4: It'll help, It'll help you down the road because at 663 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 4: least you get to soak in the environment. 664 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 1: They would love to trade him. I would. I will 665 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: promise you that they would love to trade him. This 666 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: does not get mended easily. And he is coming off 667 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: a bad year, right, Yeah, he was in the fours. 668 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 1: Expected number of peripheral kind of stuff was even worse 669 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: that the front offices. Look at he's owed three years 670 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: sixty six million dollars. He has not that after next season, 671 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: He's not going to do that. He's probably worth I 672 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: mean right now, he's more along the lines of back 673 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: end starter. 674 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 4: So he's hurt. Wasn't he hurt though? 675 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was an elbow issue late, but he I 676 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: mean not the whole year. As far as I know, 677 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: he's crats in a free agent market right now. I 678 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: think he signs for maybe like two twenty or one 679 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: fifteen or something like that. Right he doesn't get offered 680 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: a qualifying offer. Okay, fifteen to seventeen, So fifteen to 681 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: seventeen on one year. That's how teams are gonna evaluate. 682 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: There's sixty six million dollars left, so the Blue Jays 683 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: would have to pay most of that money down. And 684 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: now you also just got this little tidbit. 685 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 2: This reminds me Scratch just I don't know, Scott won't 686 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 2: get Scott kind of will get this analogy. This reminds 687 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: me of Notre Dame going, we're not going to the championship, 688 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 2: So we're gonna take our ball and go home because 689 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: we didn't get what we wanted. So we're just gonna 690 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: not play in a bowl game because we'll show you, 691 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: guys how important we are by not going to the 692 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: Pop Tard Bowl. 693 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody cares. 694 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 4: No, but you're happy because Miami's in. 695 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: They beat their ass. 696 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 4: Sorry, I know, I agree. Yeah, you don't like it? 697 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 4: Play better? 698 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know, guys, I mean it sounds 699 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: like you're disappointed. I would be downright furious if I'm 700 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: the organization. How about the front office? 701 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 4: How about the other guy's spent millions. 702 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 2: On thisast starter went to the bullpen yeahd did special 703 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 2: things for him, helped him get to Game seven, right, 704 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, actuers are nutted up bigger than anybody. Velocity 705 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 2: up found feeling in his thumb, all that stuff. I mean, 706 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: these guys, they fought there till the end, literally till 707 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: the end. 708 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: I don't want him showing back up in the clubhouse 709 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: because the Blue Jays have such great vibes. I know 710 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: that Jose's nice and whatever, but to me, it's one 711 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: of those things that you never escape from. Reputation wisecrats, 712 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: and it's one thing for him to change scenery and 713 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: then just go somewhere else, but to be back with 714 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: that same team after that incident. And it's not even 715 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: just like one thing where he got in a fight 716 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: with someone. It's like you made a conscious decision and 717 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: every day you just decided, Nope, screw this team. I'm 718 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: gonna be home. I think even if they have to 719 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: eat eighty percent of the contract I'm trading him. 720 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: I don't think they have to eat that much of 721 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 3: the contract. I think they're is value. We've seen it. 722 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 3: There's value in the fact that since twenty eighteen he 723 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 3: has made every one of his starts, and so you 724 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 3: know he's pitching through things, whether his peripherals are down 725 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 3: or they're up. Yes, the value is not there in 726 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 3: that sense. But he's made every one of his starts 727 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 3: for the last seven full seasons so. 728 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 4: Till this year, until this. 729 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 3: Year, thirty one, thirty thirty starts. 730 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 4: But at the end he had elbow Okay, so I 731 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 4: have an elbow thing. 732 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 5: Yeah. 733 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: See, My thing is, didn't we didn't. We all have 734 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: the indication that he was hurt. The elbow thing was 735 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: holding him back in the postseason, so everyone said, And 736 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like that was the case here. 737 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 3: But my thing is, never in his career has he 738 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 3: ever been passed over, not been the guy. And this 739 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 3: is the first time this has come up. I might 740 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 3: be willing to him a pass. I might be willing 741 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 3: to give him a pass. Not with the Blue Jays, 742 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 3: the Blue Jays, Pete Walker, John Schneider, They're gonna have 743 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 3: to be the ones that makes make the decision, you know, 744 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,240 Speaker 3: based on how he truly handled it. We're only hearing 745 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 3: some of the background stuff. They know all the information. 746 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 3: To me, another team has to be willing to say, well, 747 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 3: we didn't have anybody that made all thirty two starts. 748 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 3: Let's check the health stuff. Let's see why he missed 749 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 3: his last start of the season, see why they left 750 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 3: him off. And I'm willing to take a shot now, 751 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 3: I bet, I bet they can find somebody that will 752 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 3: easily pay forty forty five million for three years. To me, 753 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 3: that that's a deal for some that's a steal for somebody. 754 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 3: That's now, that's gonna make us thirty two starts. 755 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. And I'll tell you why 756 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: right now. He's a free agent. Would you get a 757 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: qualifying offer? I don't think he would. Okay, no qualifying 758 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: offer hits free agency? What does he get? You think 759 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: you would get a qualifying offer? 760 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 3: Crats before before all this stuff came out, one hund 761 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 3: oh jays. 762 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: He's pitching. I mean he pitched like he pitched like 763 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: a five this year. He's off for five season. There's 764 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: a thirty five star. 765 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 3: Starter he's getting for what he's done. He's getting four years. 766 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 3: He's getting four years in about eighteen a year now. 767 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 3: That would put him that would put him rate at 768 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 3: the qualifying offer. You know, if you don't get more 769 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 3: than fifty sixty million, then teams are like you know, 770 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 3: like the Paveta issue that Paveta had. You know, teams 771 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 3: are leery with a qualifying offer, but through this dude 772 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 3: shows up and shows out his era plus, his era plus. 773 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 3: The last five years has been one twenty five now 774 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, one twenty two, one seventeen, one fourteen, and 775 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 3: this year would have been a platform year one oh two. 776 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 3: He's still going to pitch for you at the age 777 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 3: thirty two season. I do think that until this came out, 778 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 3: I do think he would have received a qualifying offer 779 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 3: from a team. 780 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: Okay, so Jose Burrios to the Astros and the Blue 781 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: Jays eat about half of the contract. The Astros are 782 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: not going to bid for a big money starter. We 783 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: saw a report yesterday from Chandler Rome and Ken Rosenthal 784 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: that they're interested in Shane Boz, who costs like a 785 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: few million bucks. But it's not necessarily going to be 786 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: easy to pluck him away. This is someone who I 787 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: think the Blue Jays desperately would like to move. They 788 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: need to make up starts innings. Franbervaldez filled it up 789 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: for them in the rotation. The only guy that's coming 790 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: back for them that went like one hundred, whatever, thirty 791 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,919 Speaker 1: or forty, there's a number in there. The only guy 792 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: that really put real innings together this past season for 793 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: them that's coming back is Hunter Brown. What are you 794 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: doing with the rest? 795 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 4: I'm trying to find someone else to fill their rotation. 796 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: Thanks a good fit. 797 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 4: Okay, I ain't met at that one. 798 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: Okay, let's move to Don Mattingly. Our reporter in Pennsylvania 799 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: right now, Eric Kratz has more on what seems like 800 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: an obvious fit. Kratz Don Mattingley the new bench coach 801 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: for the Phillies. I know it's not official yet, but 802 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: it sounds like it's gonna happen. Todd's a LeKi Our 803 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: Philly Show guy said that they have mutual interest, and 804 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: it sounds like a matter of when not if. 805 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, this is it. You figured out what 806 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 3: they couldn't do in the playoffs. Don Mattingly, Phillies World 807 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 3: Series champion. Lock it in, love it, No, this is great. 808 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 3: I mean, Shoot Topper was with the I think Topper 809 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 3: was with the Yankees when Donnie Baseball was still playing. 810 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 3: I'd have to look back at when Topper first started 811 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 3: with the Yankees organization, but he might have been there 812 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 3: when Donnie Baseball was playing. But yeah, I mean he's 813 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 3: he's clearly when you have two managers on the bench, 814 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 3: I don't don't think. I don't. I don't see how 815 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 3: it couldn't. I don't see how it couldn't work out. 816 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 3: I mean, nothing was to me in a World Series. 817 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,879 Speaker 3: It's always heartbreaking to see the team lose. But when 818 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 3: you start seeing like pictures of Boba Schett, like coming 819 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 3: up to Don Mattingly and holding his up, putting his 820 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 3: arm around him, you know, you know how much it is, 821 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,320 Speaker 3: how much how much he's coached, played all that stuff 822 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 3: and still not won a World Series. He got there finally, 823 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 3: but he hasn't won one. So now this is this 824 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 3: is the chance, This is it. Donnie Baseball brings the 825 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 3: Phillies to the World Series. 826 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: Boom, there you go.