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Speaker 3: That's right, Ernie is back. Had a great episode earlier

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Speaker 1: Everybody's wearing red, they all hate us. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: Have you been game planning for this second episode of

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Speaker 1: See? I brought this this this, this is my Chiefs

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Speaker 5: He's sent a bunch of plays. He wanted to go

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Speaker 3: Games and Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman and they are Jack

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Speaker 3: and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find

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Speaker 3: the greatest game of all time. We're back in the

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Speaker 2: That's right, kid, get your kid out here.

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Speaker 3: We're back into Beantown this week, coming to do Old

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Speaker 3: Brady Brady Day Week, Brady, Big One and H. On

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Speaker 3: today's episode, we are covering or should I say recovering.

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Speaker 5: Our fans asked for it, and we listened.

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Speaker 3: The twenty eighteen AFC Championship game with our friend, the

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Speaker 3: smartest man we know, former head of football research with

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Speaker 2: That's right, Ernie Adams.

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Speaker 4: Is Basco earndog back.

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Speaker 5: Blessing it is.

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Speaker 2: I just, I honestly feel smarter. For the love of God,

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Speaker 4: Hey, it rubs off on us. Being around a smart

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Speaker 3: Busy guy, busy guy, his thoughts about the Patriots draft,

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Speaker 2: The Brady Roast, Dougle Little Roastalk, Little Roastalk, Steve mcdostyde.

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Speaker 4: Rob got to do it.

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Speaker 2: Now it's Ernie's turn, Ernie's version. This is the Ernie version.

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Speaker 3: They were Ernie loves talking about fans getting Saucy mcdawson.

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Speaker 3: One January twentieth, twenty nineteen, Narrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, Missouri.

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Speaker 1: Brady RSUs mahomes the Old Dynasty versus the New Dynasty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how's it going since we last had yawned?

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, nothing can talk being with you know,

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Speaker 3: Now, the fact that you guys, the fact that you

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Speaker 1: Uh well I probably will.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Competitive.

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Speaker 3: Now, Ernie, you have a play So this is your

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Speaker 3: Well, I just remember in the team meeting whenever we

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Speaker 3: played against Andy Reid when it can't like Bill would

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Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing, but he in some form or another, Andy's

444
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Speaker 3: gonna want to throw it, right, and he's not gonna

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Speaker 3: run it, even if he's got a hundred yards, He's

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Speaker 3: gonna want to throw it.

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Speaker 2: Is it.

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Speaker 1: That's to a large extent, although you know they've had.

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Speaker 2: The change with Pachaco this last.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean it's right. I mean you always

451
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Speaker 1: have to take you know, the person personnel into account.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you're never going to go play, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know against you know, one of Coach Reed's teams.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're just gonna come out and two tight

455
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Speaker 1: ends and try to hammer it. I mean probably unless

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Speaker 1: they're down to their third string quarterbackers. Yeah, I mean,

457
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Speaker 1: he's you know, very you know, if they're going to

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Speaker 1: adjust to their personnel. But of course, when you've got

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you can run for five yards running

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Speaker 1: for five yards, but when you got my homes and

461
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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, they thought it could be sixty, you know,

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Speaker 1: in in one chunk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I mean that's really I mean I always set

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Speaker 1: against a team like that. If they handed the ball

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Speaker 1: off on a running play, I'd applod do it again, please,

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Speaker 1: you know, do it do it again. Yeah, I mean

468
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Speaker 1: that's that's the distinguishing feature of a lot of NFL football.

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Speaker 1: You know, over the last half century you got great

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Speaker 1: skill players at quarterback, great receivers, and it's a passing

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Speaker 1: it's a passing league. And with teams that can throw

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Speaker 1: the ball, you got to be able to run it

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Speaker 1: enough to keep the keep the defense honest, keep them

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Speaker 1: off balance. You can establish the tempo of the game.

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Speaker 1: I mean in this game, even you know, with with

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Speaker 1: you know, Tom a quarterback and you and Robert receiver.

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Speaker 1: We came out and ran the ball very effectively right

478
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Speaker 1: off the bat, kept their offense off the field. But

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Speaker 1: in the end, when all hell broke loose in the

480
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter, you're going to revert to form, and both

481
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Speaker 1: teams just opened up and let her rip.

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Speaker 3: Let do you do you have any examples that didn't

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Speaker 3: work from the book that you thought you game planned

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Speaker 3: or you had a a tick.

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Speaker 2: Or something that was in the book.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, for instance, they hit it. They hit

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Speaker 1: us in the fourth quarter of that big misdirection screen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, remember they have four of their guys standing

489
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Speaker 1: over outside of the numbers and we got nobody. So

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Speaker 1: it's a walk in touchdown. And that had been something

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Speaker 1: you know, that they had shown before. But there was

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Speaker 1: a nether case. They dressed up a formation, they got

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Speaker 1: a motion, They got us a little bit confused. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're all, we're all when you run the screen when

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Speaker 1: all their guys are on the right and you're screening

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Speaker 1: to the left, it's probably gonna work. But you know,

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Speaker 1: like we said, dressing up a play with the formation,

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Speaker 1: that's why they do it. So they get in the

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Speaker 1: game and hit it, it's a touchdown for them. I

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Speaker 1: mean this this gets into a little bit. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like watching NBA basketball at its best,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's fluid, it's moving, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they hit somebody for you know, a wide open three.

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Speaker 1: You know, decent chances he's going to hit it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, before we get into the deep dive of this

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Speaker 3: Chiefs game, we want to cover some of the things

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Speaker 3: our fans wanted to know more about.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The draft happened since we had you last on our podcast.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts of the Patriots and their draft?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean obviously they had the third pick in

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Speaker 1: the draft and they take a quarterback, so essentially you

514
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Speaker 1: have married the franchise to Drake May for the for

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Speaker 1: the next few years. I mean they've got you know,

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Speaker 1: Jacobe were said in there, you know for some period

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Speaker 1: of time, you know, he may be the starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: What I if they asked me, which they haven't, Uh,

519
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Speaker 1: people said when should they start Drake May? And they

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Speaker 1: should start him when he's ready. You can you can't

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Speaker 1: invent that if he's not ready to start, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the first week, don't start him. Maybe it's going

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Speaker 1: to be in the middle of the season. You know,

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Speaker 1: how however that works out. But I mean, at some

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Speaker 1: point he's going to go in and be the quarterback

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Speaker 1: and he's going to get a full chance to uh uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, to show what he can do.

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Speaker 2: What makes a quarterback ready?

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Speaker 1: Well, number one thing, of course is going out. You know,

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Speaker 1: how is he doing in practice? As you know? I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is you know, taking snaps against the first defense,

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Speaker 1: seeing NFL coverage, running the you know, running the Patriots offense.

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Speaker 1: Does he really know what he's doing? You know? Does

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Speaker 1: he look like he can go in and execute at

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Speaker 1: full speed against you know, a really good defense. You know,

536
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Speaker 1: when when the bullets are flying, it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: judgment call on the part of the coaches. You know,

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Speaker 1: you see him every day, you live with him. Does

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Speaker 1: he really know how to call the place in the huddle?

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Speaker 1: Does you know, does he understand what you're trying to do? Uh?

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Speaker 1: But there's nothing like going in. Okay, we think he's ready.

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Speaker 1: Now we're gonna put him in the game, and now

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Speaker 1: we're really going to find out eventually, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: going to do that so and particularly the way that

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Speaker 1: training camp has been so cut back. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot of veteran players who stand up

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Speaker 1: in a plod no more to a days and all that,

548
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Speaker 1: but as far as a rookie getting ready to play,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna slow it's going to slow down his development.

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Speaker 3: I saw, you know, I was at the Patriots pat

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Speaker 3: practice yesterday and I saw the Vince Big v Wolf

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Speaker 3: Fork and we were taking like, yeah, when we were players,

553
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Speaker 3: you hated the practice. But with how they have adjusted

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Speaker 3: the player's practice now so much, it is the worst

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Speaker 3: thing for a young quarterback in the offensive linement.

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Speaker 1: This is a collective marketing agreement. Okay, it's negotiated between

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Speaker 1: players and the owners. Who's negotiating and part of the

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Speaker 1: players veteran players who don't really want to go out

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Speaker 1: with two days. I mean, I'm thinking back my first

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Speaker 1: the first training camp I was a part of in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five for the Patriots. I mean, we had

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Speaker 1: the rookies in and we were six straight days of

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Speaker 1: two days. Oh yeah, okay, all in full pads. Now

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Speaker 1: we had a lot more players and camp we'd have

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Speaker 1: when everybody was there we might have one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty five hundred and thirty players in camp, but then

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Speaker 1: it was two weeks to two days with the veterans,

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Speaker 1: you know, play a preseason game. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: this was back in the day where we had six

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Speaker 1: preseason games, okay, and then it was a couple a

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Speaker 1: couple more weeks going one a day in pads. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's probably too much. But as far as

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Speaker 1: but if you're going to be a young player, particularly

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Speaker 1: on quarterback, needs to develop, you need every rep you

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Speaker 1: can get. And I know there my understanding is they're

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Speaker 1: using you know, they've got the virtual things set up reps,

577
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Speaker 1: but there's nothing like, there's no substitute for being on

578
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Speaker 1: the field when it's going full speed and you know,

579
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Speaker 1: you got to make decisions. And in terms of playing quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I think probably everybody who watches ESPN at some point

581
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Speaker 1: watching some of that Formula One racing. You know when

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Speaker 1: they've got the camera right you know right, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, right right past the driver's ear hole and

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Speaker 1: you can see how fast everything's moving. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: the way you got to play in the NFL. You

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Speaker 1: don't get you is that that extra. Look, forget it,

587
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: it's over. You got one, you see it, right, go

588
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Speaker 1: ahead and do it. There's no substitute, you know, for

589
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Speaker 1: forgetting that. By the way, when there's a pass rush

590
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Speaker 1: coming out, say you may have to slip and slide

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Speaker 1: to avoid somebody who's going to try to take your

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Speaker 1: head off. But but that's that's that's the way it's played.

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Speaker 3: It's that's why it's the hardest position to get ready

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Speaker 3: foreign sports, the quarterback position and drafting. What was the

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Speaker 3: scouting and the player of valuation process like during your

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Speaker 3: time in New England.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course it really when we are the first

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Speaker 1: ten years when Scott Pioli was the director player of

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Speaker 1: personal Scott and I worked very closely together and it

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Speaker 1: was you know, we just went through every player. You know,

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Speaker 1: we had a great every player. Every player we had

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Speaker 1: who had you know, some who the scouts that identified

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Speaker 1: as having you know, a realistic chance. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we weren't in this necessarily grading you know, some of

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Speaker 1: the backup you know, you know, no, you know, so we.

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Speaker 2: But there was probably a project bucket.

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Speaker 1: Well there was sure. I mean people who had had

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Speaker 1: you know, might have been injured. Mister senior year. But

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Speaker 1: at some point you said, now two years ago when

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Speaker 1: this kid was a sophomore, he really looked good. Then

611
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Speaker 1: he had circumstances come up limit limited what he could do.

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Speaker 1: So maybe we need to go take a take a look.

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Speaker 1: And then it gets down to you know, some people

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Speaker 1: you just take a flyer on, like Steve Neil. Steve

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Speaker 1: Neil from cal State Bakersfield, wrestler. Right, well you say

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Speaker 1: cal State Bakersfield, that's right, they don't play football. But

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Speaker 1: Steve is you know, an n C two a champion

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Speaker 1: as a wrestler.

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Speaker 2: And he brought er world championships.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we said, okay, this is this is

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Speaker 1: somebody who's got the raw tools. He just hasn't played football.

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Speaker 1: Well you know, but you know we're we're willing, uh

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Speaker 1: you know, invest all the time and see what we

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Speaker 1: could happen. You know, Scar, you know, of course, did

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Speaker 1: you know, great job, great job coaching them, and you

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Speaker 1: know Steve, you know, work and end up he goes

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Speaker 1: no college football and he starts for using a couple

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Speaker 1: of Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: He was a very good player. I mean, Steve was

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Speaker 2: around I was right, a rookie.

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Speaker 1: Right, but he had you know, there's certain raw things

632
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Speaker 1: that you look for. Guy big, strong, really good balance. Uh,

633
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Speaker 1: you know that you want in an offensive lineman, and

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Speaker 1: he had him. Of course you don't know for sure,

635
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Speaker 1: so he puts pads on, go out and play football.

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Speaker 1: But just for instance, you know, talking about that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know this whole concept of the practice. You know

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Speaker 1: what they do in training camp, it goes to, you know,

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Speaker 1: having a practice squad. I mean, you know that we

640
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Speaker 1: had guys who were good players for us who developed

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Speaker 1: on the practice squad. Think of Ryan Wendell and Dan

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00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: Connelly both starting forcing Super Bowl forty nine, and they

643
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Speaker 1: were there because they busted their tails on the practice

644
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Speaker 1: squad trying to get better every day. And if you

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Speaker 1: remember what we do, even if it was a day

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Speaker 1: where no pads or anything, when practice was over, the

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Speaker 1: practice squad, guy would put their pads on and they'd

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Speaker 1: have ten to fifteen minutes going one on one. Well

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Speaker 1: that's where they developed. Now you can't do that. So

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Speaker 1: by even limiting the practice squad that way, limiting training

651
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Speaker 1: camps that way, you're really hurting young guys who need

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Speaker 1: some reps to develop in the players.

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Speaker 3: So if you were in this day and age. Evaluating players,

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Speaker 3: you probably would be looking at different traits than if

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Speaker 3: you were, say ten years ago when you could practice them,

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Speaker 3: because you have to have a more ready developed guy,

657
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: or what would you be looking for now?

658
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean really, you know, I always said before the draft,

659
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: don't get away from size and speed. Your best chance

660
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: is at the guys who are big and fast and

661
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: go and go from there, small and quick we would go.

662
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: You know. Of course we'd be out on the field,

663
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, pregame, warm up. And that was the one

664
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: time he got to see all for forty three players

665
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: who addressed from the opponents, and you could stand there

666
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: and look, this team lives and dies by their size

667
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: speed chart. Of course they're all big and they're you know,

668
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: that's that's where you start. Just because that doesn't mean

669
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a great football team. Off the head, uh,

670
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: most of most of the good ones.

671
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: Baltimore always seemed big, good.

672
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: Well, the race the Ravens were, I would say one

673
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: of the teams is close. I always felt like they

674
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: were a sister team. And of course their general manager

675
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: was as usual who started he started as NFL manager.

676
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: You know, he got we broke him in at Cleveland,

677
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: know the personnel and doing drafting, and that was you know,

678
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: the philosophy we here we had then and he you know,

679
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: he took it to the Ravens and you see some

680
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: other teams and they got you know, you can see,

681
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: well there's some short, squatty guys, and you know it's

682
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: there's no look, just because you're a little short doesn't

683
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: mean you can't be a good NFL player.

684
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, just because you're short doesn't mean you're small either.

685
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: Right, But but if you end up, you know, with

686
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys like that, you're looking at him,

687
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's really going to work for him,

688
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: and most of the time it doesn't. So you start,

689
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, start with a size speed chart, I speed

690
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: size speed chart. You know. Then then of course, you

691
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: know you want to see, you know, guys who can

692
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: run and break down and change direction. Because when I

693
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: say speed, most of the time that's you know, timing.

694
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: Guys run the forty yard dash at the combine. Aren't

695
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: that many opportunities to do the forty yard dash. But

696
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: guys who are good players, most of them can run

697
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: like if you're going to take an offensive tackle in

698
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the first round. If it's an offensive lineman playing a

699
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: fairly short, short area, most of the good offensive tackles

700
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: can pretty come pretty close to running a five flat

701
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: in the forty.

702
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 4: You know.

703
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's that's just the way, you know,

704
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: the way it works out. Then you got to see

705
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: a guy who can bend his knees, change direction, which

706
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: comes into play at every position. And then it's how

707
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: do they really play on Saturday afternoon? Particularly how do

708
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: they play against the good teams on their schedule? Like,

709
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: for instance, you may look at a guy. You know,

710
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: this guy, he's an edge pass rusher. You know, he

711
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: got fourteen sacks. But you go find the game where

712
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: he's playing against an NFL quality you know, somebody who

713
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: is you think is going to be an NFL tackle

714
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: and he gets stoned down the line of scrimmage and

715
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: can't do anything. They say, wait a minute, now, this

716
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: is this you know this this maybe not maybe it

717
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: isn't the next Lawrence Taylor. You know. So it's so

718
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: you're always conscious when value in college players who they're

719
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: against eating eating a red furt a red shirt freshman

720
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: for lunch. Okay, well, if he's playing against a red

721
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: shirt freshman, that's what he should do. But what you

722
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: really want to see is have against somebody who says

723
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: this is an NFL quality player.

724
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: So size, speed, quality of play against quality of player.

725
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: Right, So those are the three things we're looking.

726
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: It's being being able because at every position you really

727
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: have to be able to bend your knees and change direction.

728
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: Bend your knees and change direction.

729
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: And if you can't, you know, if you're stiff legged player,

730
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not gonna it's not gonna be real

731
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: good if you're you know, if you're away what we

732
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: call it, like you gotta be a knee bender, not.

733
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: A way spender, knee bender, not a waste spender.

734
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: Like lifting something heavy.

735
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: How does that change when you're you're looking to get

736
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: free agents as well?

737
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Is it harder?

738
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: Of course you're talking about this is from draft the

739
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: NFL free agent. Okay, well, of course the biggest thing

740
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: when you're talking about in an NFL free agent is you

741
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 1: can see them playing against NFL players. So you're seeing

742
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: here right here. So uh, I mean, really, the biggest

743
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: thing for us at the Patriots with a free agent

744
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: was I always felt it was a little bit of

745
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of a crap shoot, because you never

746
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: knew for sure how somebody was going to adjust coming

747
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: into our environment. And I can't tell you the number

748
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: of players if they've been in the league somewhere else

749
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: they came this, they say, oh, it's so different here.

750
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: And of course, what I always what I really want

751
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: to do, what I really want to do in my

752
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: next life. I want to be a fly, so I

753
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: could be on the walls all these different places. What

754
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: are they doing that's so different? Because you know, truthfully,

755
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: I mean, our our thing at the Patriots was we

756
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: did it the way we did. You know, we did

757
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: it at the Patriots in the seventies with Chuck Fairbanks

758
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: and the Giants and Cleveland. You know, we a really

759
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: knew one way to do it. It works so wide change.

760
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: But people say, well, it's some different other places. I

761
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: really I'm not really sure what those other places do now.

762
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Of course, when they get you down to you can

763
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: only go on pads once a day, and then at

764
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: the end of the season you really can't go on pads.

765
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: They're kind of bringing everybody down to that lowest common denominator.

766
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: So do you remember any guys that you wanted in

767
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: the draft that we may not have got that went

768
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: on to be great players.

769
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I mean it's but but you know, you're

770
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: always the thing about the draft, particularly.

771
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: Or you thought you were gonna get, Like like, I'll.

772
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: Tell you one that I remember just studying, and I say,

773
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: this should be the guy for us. He'd really be

774
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: a good player. I don't, you know, I always kind

775
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: of like to just hear are the names that are around?

776
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean if if if everybody's name is around, that

777
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: tells me everybody's really looking at him. But if if

778
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm not really hearing the name around, maybe we have

779
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: a chance. And there was one guy I felt totally

780
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: confident this would be the guy for us. I think

781
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: we got a chance to get him at the end

782
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: of the draft, and we took him, and that was

783
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Logan Mankins now and then I came here afterwards that

784
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: a couple of the teams right behind us at the

785
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: top of the second round, they were ready to call him,

786
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you know you're a guy, but I

787
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: just said, you know, this is a p it would

788
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: be a perfect player for us. And of course, you know,

789
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Logan goes on to be one of the best, you know.

790
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm putting my all time Patriots team together,

791
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: the guards are going to be Logan Mankins and John

792
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: Hannah to to you know, to greats right there. But sure,

793
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: there are some players you're down at the end of

794
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: the draft. You know, well, this guy's gonna be in

795
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: the top five. Why don't you trade up and get them?

796
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: We don't, you know, we'd have to trade our whole team.

797
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 3: What about a guy that what about a guy that,

798
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: like you thought that was gonna be there, that someone snagged. Oh,

799
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 3: there's got to be the one, the one that got.

800
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: Away, you know, sometimes the one that got because everybody

801
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: in the league is looking at yeah, the big Oh

802
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: it's that eight hundred pound twon and I've been fighting

803
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: for eleven hours.

804
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: Oh I got some a bucket or your buddy put

805
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: a bucket on the end of the hook.

806
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: Happened to me once.

807
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's you know, there are thirty two teams

808
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: all looking at the same players. So you know, you

809
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: just figure like if you if you trade, if you

810
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 1: drop back in the draft, you really you can't. Hey,

811
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: we'd like this guy here. Let's see if we can

812
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: drop back five places and still get them. You know,

813
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: there's everybody else is looking at the same group of

814
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: players you are, so you just never I'll tell you

815
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: because I know you had them as a guest. For instance,

816
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: one that we didn't want to get away was your

817
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: friend Matt Light. And of course it's where the year

818
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: he came out. I don't know what number. It's in

819
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: the middle of the second round. We're picking the team

820
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: ahead of us as and the Jets, and then ahead

821
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: of them is the Lions. Okay, so you always call

822
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: like ten minutes before if there's a player you know

823
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: he's on your radar. You know, you want to make

824
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: sure first of wile they're still alive. I mean the

825
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Patriot they did draft to player for in the early

826
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: sixties who was not alive Nouthwest Louisiana. They had the name,

827
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, they names and newspapers, you know, and they

828
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: don't have quite not everybody had a cell phone. So

829
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: you are you still okay? How you doing? So you

830
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: know we're on we're behind the Jets, are behind the Lions.

831
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: We call Matt lighte Hey, Matt, We're really interested. How

832
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: you doing. The Jets just called me. They're gonna, they're

833
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna take me. So we know right there,

834
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: it's very cut and dry. We're either going to get

835
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: a trade executed with the Lions so we can get Matt,

836
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: or we're just gonna sit there and watch the Jets

837
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: take them. So we call the Lions you know there

838
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: we're trying to work out a trade with them. The

839
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: guy they want is, you know, is the center from Nebraska,

840
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: Dominic Raiola. He said, look, we got Damian Woodie, We're

841
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: not don't worry, We're not gonna draft the Center. Okay,

842
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. So we we get the trade

843
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: executed with the Lions. When there's you know, when when

844
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: they're on the clock, we jump up and we Matt White.

845
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: So, I mean, do you guys have intell that the

846
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: Jets were going to take them before?

847
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: The Jets had called Matt before that before the yeah,

848
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: you guys there though, well, but it's like, you know,

849
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: they may have called like three minutes before us, you know,

850
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: because it's I mean, everybody does you know, you know, you.

851
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 2: Can't keep keep in touch with people.

852
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Uh, So you know, we we got, yeah, we got

853
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: we got the solid intel that if we want Matt,

854
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: we got to get in front of the Jets. To

855
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: get in front of the Jets, the only way that

856
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: can happen is if we do a trade with Alliance.

857
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: There's no other way we can get in front of

858
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: the Jets.

859
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: So is there any guys that you you you evaluated

860
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: that probably wouldn't have been that great that turned out

861
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: to like, oh ship, this guy is a monster that

862
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 3: you missed them an the other way?

863
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, you know you're dealing with human beings

864
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: for sure. How are they going to react to coming

865
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: into the NFL? And particularly when you're talking about the

866
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: first round, that's does this guy have the right mindset

867
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: that we can trust him with a big contract, because

868
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: it's not you know if we take if we draft

869
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: a guy in the seventh round, it's going to be

870
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: the rookie minimum.

871
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: You talk about Arnie, I got a thirty six thunny

872
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 3: bonus that was kind of high.

873
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: Don't but but if you you know, it's it's really

874
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: important if you're going to take a guy top the

875
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: first round and make a big investment in him, you.

876
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 2: Know the guy can't handle it.

877
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: He can handle it, and that doesn't always happen. But

878
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: some guys, like for instance, you you think you know

879
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: a player, you try hard, you do the psychological valuations,

880
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: you interview him, but when you've had him in camp

881
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: for about ten days, that's when you know, right, I

882
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: mean you some guys, Hey, this guy's got the right makeup,

883
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: the right stuff, he's actually got a chance. This said

884
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: the h this is not really going the way we want.

885
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: He's not really our kind of guy. And you don't

886
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: get to have him in your training camp for ten

887
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: days before you draft them.

888
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just.

889
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: Like you know, you'll be you know, he's a veteran Julian.

890
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'd be watching them pretty carefully to see

891
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 1: if they've actually, Oh, is this is this guy gonna

892
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: be one of our kind of guy? Or did they

893
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: screw it up in the draft.

894
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: I was convinced for a while, and I almost mustered

895
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: up enough courage to go into Bill's office and tell me,

896
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: if you're going to take someone in the first round

897
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: or the second round that's going to be a skill

898
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: position player, I need you to send me out there

899
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: to look him right in his fucking eyes.

900
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: Well have to be said for that.

901
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't muster up enough courage.

902
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: But there's you know, if there's a you know, every school,

903
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: they'll be somebody there who knows. Maybe it's the equipment guy.

904
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: Who if you happen to know the equipment guy, they'll

905
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: tell you, hey, this guy's been in my lock for

906
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: four years. He's an asshole. You don't want him. Well,

907
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: if if that's the equipment he he may actually know

908
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: you know what, what what kind of what kind of

909
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of guy you're looking for. So

910
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: if you know that the equipment guy, what his brand

911
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: of cigars is, you may take him a box of

912
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: cigars and on the q T, hey just tell me

913
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: who are the guys we don't want? And if you know,

914
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: if it's the right person telling you that that information

915
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: can be gold. Now what's happened, of course, is now

916
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: with all the stuff with social media and you know,

917
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: people are barred from talking to the NFL people, it's harder.

918
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: It's harder, it's harder to get the information that you

919
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: really need, but you're still you still try to figure

920
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: out a way to go get it.

921
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: Turkey always talks, Ernie, Yeah, Turkey always talks. We get

922
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: who is the equipment manager for Florida back in uh

923
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: the two thousand, we probably can we find out what

924
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: his cigars preference is. We probably had a lot of

925
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: those going. Now, how did it go with internal evaluation

926
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: of our own team?

927
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: Like so we did?

928
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean what Bill always said to the staff was

929
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: the players that we have here now we have to

930
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: know them better than anybody else. We can't make a

931
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: mistake on one of our guys. We just went through

932
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: a six month season. We you know, we we lived together, right,

933
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean players go home, go to sleep after practice,

934
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: coaches going to sleep, But most of the day we're

935
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: with each other in a small space. We know what

936
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: makes each other tick. You know, we we really have

937
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: to know our own players better than anybody else. So

938
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time after the season, take

939
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: each player one at a time. We went through everything.

940
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: They're medical, they're you know, there's strength and conditioning.

941
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: How are these guys is and.

942
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: You know is somebody you know getting into their early

943
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: thirties and we can just see they're starting to slip.

944
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: May still be able to play for a while, but

945
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: you know they're starting to you know, go on. You know,

946
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: you have to really know that about your own your

947
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: own players, and those can be the hardest decisions to make.

948
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: This guy's gotten the slip, but he's fantastic human being

949
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: in our locker room. He's the guy everybody else looks,

950
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: he looks up to, you know, who's going to really

951
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: suck it up and push himself hard. You know, I

952
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: always said the older you get, the harder you have

953
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: to work at your conditioning always. And you know, so

954
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: it's uh, is this the guy who's really going to

955
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: push himself, you know, to be able to play when

956
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, when he's in his early thirty early thirties.

957
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 3: So you guys have the self scout every year at

958
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: the end of the year. Now we'll to see your

959
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: own team that you know better than anyone.

960
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: Right And it's not just okay, everybody can watch them play,

961
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: but we know, what do we what's our best judgment?

962
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: What do we think they're gonna do in the next

963
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: one year or the next three years? Because you're always

964
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: what I always called simultaneous time horizons. The most important

965
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: we always have. The most important day is today, The

966
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: most important game is this week. But when you're dealing

967
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: with your football team, you really have to have a

968
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: sense where are we going in the future. You know,

969
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: is this guy and then you get into contracts, Hey

970
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: we got some here. He's a year away from his contract.

971
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: Where's he gonna be in three four years? Because that's

972
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a judgment that you have to.

973
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's gonna play forever, you know. So it's

974
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: but but you always say, hey, Warren spawn Ted Williams,

975
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm brady. They always did some great things past forty

976
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Not many people can do it, but some of the

977
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: real Hall of Famers can. So it's it's it's it's

978
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a lot of judgment.

979
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: It's tough judgment.

980
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: Now, what goes in the judgment to trading players, probably

981
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: some of the best players in your team.

982
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: How does that go down?

983
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: Well, the logan Manking's the lawyer, Malloy, the Malcolm Butler's.

984
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: Right, it's the question of okay, I mean, you know,

985
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: as you know, it can be a business. Some of

986
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: it is we're not gonna be able to We're not

987
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna be able to sign this player next year. It's

988
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: just you know, we've been trying to negotiate some of them.

989
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen where he's kind of it

990
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: could be a guy. Hey, maybe casting some problems. We're

991
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: can live with them, but it's not you know, we

992
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: can live with them right now that we really want

993
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: to sign up living with them for five more years.

994
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: No, So it's a lot of circumstances, a.

995
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: Lot of circumstances. Maybe it's a case, you know, we're

996
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: really we've got four good players at this position and

997
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: we have nothing over here. So you know, we can

998
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: trade with somebody you fill a need on a team.

999
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: But but then again, it's we're trading for are we

1000
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: just getting somebody else's problems? So you try to do

1001
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, you really try to find out before you

1002
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: trade for a veteran player, what are we really getting here.

1003
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's got to be tough, and you know, you

1004
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: have to be able to make emotionalless decisions when you're

1005
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 3: doing those types of things, when you're dealing with human beings.

1006
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: But that's the hard part of the job.

1007
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: It's the hard part of the job because particularly, like

1008
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: I said, you can have you can have a guy

1009
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: and said, well, he's you know, he's okay playing this position,

1010
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: but he's such a positive input on the team. You know,

1011
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: we really need to have him. He brings six other

1012
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: players with him.

1013
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's what's the one draft pick you're most proud of?

1014
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'd say and all it may look easy

1015
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: and retrospect, but you know, you know, first round the

1016
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and one draft, because we didn't have you know,

1017
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: our first year of the Patriots in two thousand, you know,

1018
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: we were five and eleven, that didn't go so great.

1019
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: We knew we had to do something. Was just you know,

1020
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: having the conviction to stay at six and taking Richard

1021
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: Seymour because you know, there were teams, you know one

1022
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, we had an opportunity to trade down, but

1023
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be for a player who is

1024
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: as good as Richard. And we said, no, Hey, the

1025
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: thing we need to do to stay where we are.

1026
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: If you got to you know, a pick up, you

1027
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: know in the top part of the first round, you

1028
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: earned that pick the hard way, so you really want

1029
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: to get that right. He said, hey, take Richard. He

1030
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: can really be a difference make of force on the defense.

1031
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: And you know he was just I will see you

1032
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: asked me earlier. It's the same thing with you know,

1033
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the three taking Drake May. They took

1034
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: him to be the guy who's going to turn their

1035
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: team around, you know, so it's they obviously have a conviction.

1036
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: You know that you know that he can be that

1037
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: because you know that's your chance to get a top

1038
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: quality player, and you know if he isn't, you know

1039
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: that will have a negative impact on the franchise for

1040
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: a number of years going forward.

1041
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now continuing with the fan questions, these are all

1042
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: fan questions, right, Fans loved when you talked about when

1043
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: you had to evaluate Peyton Manning.

1044
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: Who was another player you loved evaluating, you.

1045
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: Know, somebody who was really good. I mean it's like,

1046
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, going down even though we played him, you

1047
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: know once every four years, going to play the Dallas

1048
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: Cowboys against Zach Martin at right guard. Now, Zach Martin,

1049
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: I thought he's the best offensive lineman in the league.

1050
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: So you know, you know, we we we got to

1051
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: be pretty what made him the best offensive lineman?

1052
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: And he did everything you want. You know, He's got

1053
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: the size, speed, Ben's knees, change direction, knock him off

1054
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: the ball, great pass protection, pad level, you know, use

1055
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: use his hands. He he did everything the way you

1056
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: want it done. So I mean that's like, okay, we

1057
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: better be we better. And this is where having a

1058
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: guy like Vince made a difference. Because Vince was such

1059
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: a good defensive lineman. We'd say, you know what, we

1060
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: got a great player here, we just bet put Vince

1061
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: in front of him. We want neutral You want to

1062
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: try to neutralize somebody. Put your best against their best.

1063
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: That's why I mean, that's why you you watch Vince well,

1064
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: Vince said he's a nose tackle. Where there are times

1065
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: he's a defensive end. Hey, we need a great defensive end.

1066
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: We got a good player here. Put Vince over there,

1067
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: you know there we look at guys, you know, like

1068
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: say we talked about players having flexibility. It's not that

1069
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: Vince was a Vince was a football player. We could

1070
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: put him any spot in the defensive line when we

1071
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: needed him and he'd play well. I mean, it's not

1072
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: that you don't make it more complicated than it is.

1073
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: Put get your best players in position to make the

1074
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: place to win games for you.

1075
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: What about who what's another player that you like?

1076
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: You get hit an offensive lineman with Zach Martin with

1077
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: the Cowboys that we play once every four years.

1078
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peyton Manning another quarterback.

1079
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: Another guy would be guy we took in the second

1080
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: round because we really liked a lot. You know, he

1081
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: just looked like a lot of the things he did well.

1082
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski. Now you know Rob obviously he had issues

1083
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: with his back, you know he did. He didn't just

1084
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: go light it up for three years at the University

1085
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: of Arizona. But when he's on the field playing, now,

1086
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, he can knock him off the ball.

1087
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: He's a load. Yeah, he's he's not a nifty play.

1088
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: He's a little bit like Mark Bavaro, who played tight

1089
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: end for US a long time ago. He's he's he's not,

1090
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, nifty, but he's a straight ahead knock him

1091
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: off the ball, catch the ball, you do, do everything

1092
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: else you want. And obviously that one worked out pretty well.

1093
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: He never saw Rob get caught from behind either.

1094
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: No, Rob was you know, he was you know, straight ahead,

1095
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, block and knock him off the ball.

1096
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: You know, he's a load going down the field and

1097
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: always you know, you shaw him out there, you catching boh,

1098
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: great hands, great hands. You you know you throw it,

1099
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: you throw it. In his neighborhood you know he's going

1100
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: to catch it.

1101
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: Greatest tight end of all time.

1102
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: He's right there in that short list. We're going to

1103
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: have that conversations. He's on it. Who else is The

1104
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: thing that makes that distinguishes Rob is that he's the

1105
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: guy who could probably is a combination. He can block

1106
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: like a tackle and catch like a big receiver. There

1107
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: are other guys, you know who you would play tight end,

1108
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit. It could be a little better

1109
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: route runners, one more receiving tight ends, but you know,

1110
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: none of them could block the way that robboard.

1111
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: Broke vanden Bosch's neck ended his career. It's still crazy

1112
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: to me. Vana Bosh was like the highest paid d

1113
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: tach d N that year, and I remember Billy O'Brien

1114
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: just getting on them all week.

1115
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: Don't let this guy be this guy.

1116
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 3: And we don't ever want to see a player get

1117
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: by any means. We're just trying to build the folklore

1118
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 3: of Gronk. Of course, it was terrible that he did that,

1119
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: but he was a rookie. Vandenbosch was one of the best,

1120
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: most distinguished defensive ends in the National Football League, and

1121
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: this big old Golden Retriever laid them out that puppy bit.

1122
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: That puppy bit as as pars. What was Parcel saying.

1123
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 5: If a puppy don't bite, a dog won't bite.

1124
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, puppy don't bite, dog won't bite.

1125
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 5: Just the timing real quick to kind of wrap up

1126
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 5: this kind of incredible player evaluation conversation just because Jewels

1127
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 5: won't ask you, what was the process like evaluating and

1128
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 5: then drafting Jewels.

1129
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: First of all, we thought, this is a guy. Obviously

1130
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about being a projection. We were not gonna yeah, yeah,

1131
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: you were our emergency third quarterback, but we were, you know, realistically,

1132
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: we would get to and pray we don't have to

1133
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: have to put Jewels in a game a quarterback.

1134
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: Okay, fuck almost happened.

1135
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: Almost almost happened. But you know, we thought, hey, there's

1136
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: a guy who's really athletic, a lot of skills. We'd

1137
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: like to bring great guy to have him in. Let's

1138
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: see what he can do. And because sometimes you can,

1139
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: you get it. Towards the end of the draft, you're

1140
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: going to have a pool of players you say this

1141
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: is these are the guys that we'll be worthwhile signing

1142
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: is undrafted free agents. But if there's some guy you

1143
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: really want to make sure that you get, you don't

1144
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 1: have to go compete with because that that undrafted free

1145
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 1: agent market as soon as the drafts. So now that's

1146
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: the wild West. I mean it's you know, that's there's

1147
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: why because.

1148
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: You have.

1149
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: You have eight teams wanting to go for the same player.

1150
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: There's no real you know, no real rules there. Who

1151
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: can sign them? Who can?

1152
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: Has there ever been a case where an undrafted free

1153
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 3: agent got more than like a draft?

1154
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, because because when when you draft a

1155
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: guy in the seventh you're slotted in there, and that's

1156
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: the reason you draft him in the seventh round. I

1157
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: want this guy. I don't want to have to go

1158
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: compete with him. Let's just turn the card in and

1159
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: take him and he has to come to our camp.

1160
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 1: Now you only get you know, no, you don't have

1161
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: fifteen picks in the seventh round. You've got to say, hey,

1162
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: this is the guy I've already we're talking to his agent.

1163
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: He's got nine you know, nine teams have said, wow,

1164
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: if you're not drafted, we really want to talk to you. Well,

1165
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of telling you that there's going to be

1166
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: competition here. So you know, take take the guy in

1167
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: the seventh round and lock him up as opposed to

1168
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: you know right that locked locked him up. I mean

1169
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: you know this, hey, this, but but I will say

1170
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: this my first draft spring in nineteen seventy six, there

1171
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: were seventeen rounds. Okay, that meant that all those guys

1172
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: who now would be the undrafted free agents. You draft

1173
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: him in the twelfth round, draft him in the thirteenth,

1174
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: locking them up, locking them up. And you know it

1175
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: wasn't that draft long, No, because those last five rounds

1176
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: teams got a minute of a.

1177
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: Pick, minute a pick, and that's what speed pick.

1178
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: Speed pick, like we're dead.

1179
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: So we had so so fucking hard so fifty I'm

1180
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: over here, Diland Jackey, you want to trade picks, I'm.

1181
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: Over here on auto draft.

1182
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: So so it was uh, nineteen seventy great Patriots story.

1183
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy four draft, fifteenth round, Chuck Fairbuck, you

1184
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: know all this goy Chuck Fairbanks and Drew Straws for

1185
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: who is going to get to make the pick? Hey,

1186
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: you guys been going out seeing all these guys. We'll

1187
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: see if you know what you're doing. Tom Boyscher, my

1188
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 1: good friend, tom Boyscher he won. Patriots drafted Sam Hunt

1189
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: from sam Houston State, ended up being one of the

1190
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: best inside linebackers the franchise ever had. But those are

1191
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: the same, you know, those rounds seven to seventeen. Well,

1192
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: that's who you were drafting. You were draft than the

1193
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: guys who in this dan age you know, would be

1194
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. But there, you know, but there's there's

1195
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: guys who for whatever reason, you know, teams miss on

1196
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: the circumstances. He was injured in college, didn't get to blames,

1197
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: was playing in a system where he was out of place.

1198
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean we drafted. Uh. One of the best for

1199
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: Patriots draft choices was Stanley Morgan. It's nineteen seventy seven

1200
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: first round wide receiver who is today still I believe,

1201
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: still the all time National Football League leader yards per catch.

1202
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: Guys who have over three hundred, three hundred catches. You

1203
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: know Stanley, you know, he's like twenty twenty yards a catch.

1204
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: You know, well out here in any dan age, that's

1205
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: pretty good. Stanley senior year, University of Tennessee. He was

1206
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: a half back in the wishbone. There's a little bit

1207
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: like you being you know, you know, we weren't drafted

1208
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: him to play wishbone half back, but he showed everything

1209
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: you know that we wanted for a receiver. Uh So

1210
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: we took him, and you know, he had a transition

1211
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: that rookie year. I remember in training training camp, you know,

1212
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: I heard you know, coaches I respected, you know, saying,

1213
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: why do we draft this guy? He don't look like

1214
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: a receiver. Well, he's just learned how to play.

1215
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: Now.

1216
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: By the end of the season, going down playing the

1217
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons, he was you know, he made a couple

1218
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: of plays to win the game for us. He just

1219
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: needed some time, you know, to get some reps to

1220
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, to learn, you know, some of the details

1221
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: for the position. So, I mean, you always got to

1222
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: remember in this draft thing, you're drafting human beings. They're unpredictable.

1223
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: You don't know for sure how it's going to work out.

1224
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, you use your experience and judgment and do

1225
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: the best you can.

1226
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 4: And Stanley Morgan great punt as well.

1227
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, it was so so out there. We had

1228
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: you talk about this. The team we had. We had

1229
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: Mike Haynes Hall of Fame, he could return punt with

1230
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: Stanley Morgan, and we had the kid we took late

1231
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: in the draft, Dave Preston. We were so loaded we

1232
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: didn't take. He goes out and has a great career

1233
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: as a Denver Bronco. Yeah, I mean I think he's

1234
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: still you know, he he might still Dave might still

1235
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: be doing like radio for the Broncos. But he had

1236
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: a great career. So we go up to play Green

1237
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: Bay in a preseason game. Mike Kynes takes a punt

1238
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: back for a touchdown. Stanley Morgan takes a punt back

1239
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. Dave Preston like gets caught at the

1240
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: five yard They drew him up by his ankle. Gez.

1241
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's a special team cornertor on those teams? Well,

1242
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: looking for a.

1243
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: Job special special teams coach? Was if you really show

1244
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: how you're a Patriots fan? Was Tom Musick was the

1245
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: backup quarterback in punter for the Patriots back in the

1246
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: early sixties. And of course our whole staff at the

1247
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: Patriots with Chuck Fairbrish, they all played together at Michigan State,

1248
01:04:54,440 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: of course, so so it was level levels. So we

1249
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: go down and we're playing my first year at the Patriots.

1250
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: We're going down to play with the Dolphins on the

1251
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: Monday night and Bob Greasey he's heard or something. He

1252
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: isn't playing the game. So Earl Morrile is going to

1253
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback for the Dolphins. And Earl Morrile

1254
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: was the quarterback on that Michigan State team and all

1255
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: our coaches were his teammates. So it's just stericle. He's

1256
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: warming up from the game and he'said, hey, Chuck, hey, Hank.

1257
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: You know he said, he's talking about his whole college

1258
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: steam mates.

1259
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: Is that where it was developed to look, guys, we

1260
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: don't even having a fucking Powell before the game with

1261
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 3: the other team.

1262
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 2: Remember that that was That was a rule we couldn't.

1263
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: You know, you didn't want to.

1264
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: You can say hi, he said, but that was it.

1265
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: That was it.

1266
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 3: We're about to fucking line up against this guy and

1267
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 3: try to.

1268
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: Take his soul.

1269
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, all right, last fan question. People are so

1270
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: curious what your day to day schedule was everyone. That's

1271
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: all they asked about. What was his day to day

1272
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: schedule during the regular seas.

1273
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: So when I started the Patriots in two thousand, my

1274
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: job description was really simple, do whatever I thought would

1275
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: help us win. So it wasn't I. You know, so

1276
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: if I thought there was something particular this week, Hey,

1277
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: we really need to focus on this and we got

1278
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: to get fixed, you know. You know, that's where I

1279
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: would put my attention. But basically, it's come early, stay late,

1280
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: and work on football.

1281
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: So what does that mean in day to day's routine?

1282
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: It is come in, watch your watch film, get ready

1283
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: to go out to practice, maybe do the carriage for practice.

1284
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: But if there was somebody in the middle of this,

1285
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: hey there's somebody, it's it's the trade deadline. There's somebody

1286
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: coming up here. We might be he might be available

1287
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: for our trade. See what you think I could get

1288
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: on that for a couple of hours. You know, this

1289
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: is this is priority. You know, the trade deadline is tomorrow.

1290
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: It's not gonna do any good to look at him

1291
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: next week. And you got so sometimes things that come

1292
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Speaker 1: up on you know that we'd have to you know,

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: jump on fact.

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01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 3: Just on the fly, just a total sixty five game

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 3: cut ups of them, right, you know, And that's uh,

1296
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 3: who is your did you have someone that worked under

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01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: you that gave you information like like who is your

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01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 3: bears or who was your like did you have an Ernie.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always felt like.

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 3: Like there's gotta be some information that you like, yeah,

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 3: you word did this well?

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: So like if I wanted to, you know, like a

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01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: like like the video the video.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I could most well Jimmy D Jimmy D Teddy Teddy.

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01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: Jared, I said, hey, I need I need a you know,

1306
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: I need to cut up on this guy like I

1307
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: needed five minutes. You know, you put these twenty plays together,

1308
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, and they would get it done.

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01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 3: No Googler or did you did you ever hit a

1310
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 3: Google search on like what was this guy's great point

1311
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 3: averaging color?

1312
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: Was that allodio port?

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that was mostly uh you know most mostly

1314
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: in the scotting parts. I mean that's why when well,

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01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: when we interviewed guys, how about we always want I

1316
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: always know, you know, we'll just stay was the GPA. Well,

1317
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, particularly a quarterback, I wanted to know, you know,

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: are you capable of doing something hard? Because you come

1319
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: in as a rookie quarterback, You're gonna have to sit

1320
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: down and study, you know, and absorb a lot of information.

1321
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: I was going to are you capable of doing that?

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean I don't really care yeaheah, you know if

1323
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: you went out but I but I did, but it

1324
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: did make a difference. Are you capable of trying to

1325
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: absorb complex information?

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 3: I think God, we skip that out with old Brady

1327
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 3: because I think he had like a one point two

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Speaker 3: six gpa.

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Speaker 1: I'm joking, I don't think so.

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 3: So you're basically telling us that there wasn't an average

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01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 3: day for Ernie.

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Speaker 1: A lot of us come in. I watched, you know,

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01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: watch film during the seasons. Just something we you know,

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01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: Bill say, hey, I want to make sure like Bill

1335
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: and I kind of did our plan together. So I said,

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: we want to make sure that we've got something, you know,

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: that we're right on something. Bill and I might talk

1338
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: about it. Uh, what defensive fronts do we want to

1339
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: play this week? Do we really need to get something

1340
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: straightened out? You know, I would make sure, you know

1341
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: that I had studied so that we could talk, so

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Speaker 1: the Bill could go and talk to the you know,

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01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean he then he you know, he might want

1344
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: to go, you know, talk to talk to the coaches

1345
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: about something, or talked to a particular player. You know,

1346
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 1: this is this is really important for us to win

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01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: the game this week.

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01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 3: No average day, guys. So everyone, there's no average day.

1349
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 3: It's we're shooting from hip, We're shooting from thoughts. We're

1350
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 3: bringing books out that we have prepared on every team,

1351
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 3: you know.

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01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean it may look the same.

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01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 2: Are they different colors for each team? Are they all

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01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: the red?

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01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put the colts in red. I mean, listen,

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01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: maybe if I don't happen to have a blue binder,

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01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, but but I'll put them

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01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: on red. But I'll get a blue binder and get

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Speaker 1: them in the right color. So when I've got him

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Speaker 1: on the shelf, I don't pull down a blue one

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Speaker 1: thinking I've gotten the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Why are we doing mar Truce? We gotta get a

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: Martruce colored?

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 3: Uh?

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: Is it Martruce Mattress mat Truce?

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: What is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I'm not red red. We'll be right back after this

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Speaker 2: quick break.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's go back around July twenty, twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: We have an Ernie edition of the throwback. We already

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Speaker 3: did it with Rob Wriggles. There's just one of them.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Rod, I love you, Dad, I love you. But

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do Ernie edition or Ernie version.

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Speaker 3: The number one book was Versus for the Dead by

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Speaker 3: Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child.

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Speaker 2: Do you read that? Read that book in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: I have not read it. No.

1378
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 3: Around this time the notable Nobel Peace Prize winners prize

1379
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 3: winner and Stanley Witningham for.

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Speaker 2: The development of lithium my own.

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01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 4: Batteries important important these days?

1382
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 2: You ever read up on him?

1383
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: I probably just read, you know, briefly, but I would

1384
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: not want to sit here and discuss his biography with you.

1385
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: Lithium batteries are important, but aren't they pretty bad for

1386
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 3: the environment?

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Speaker 1: Ernie? You know, as a world where we've done a

1388
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: lot of things that not get us going in the

1389
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: right direction. I mean, we're we're sitting here in the

1390
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: back bay of Boston, you know where the floods again.

1391
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know where we're sitting right now.

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01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: You know, four hundred years ago was water. I mean this,

1393
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: this was the major construction project in Boston, you know,

1394
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, filling this in so that so

1395
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Speaker 1: that we can sit here.

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 5: I've read that everywhere it's flat in Boston is landfill.

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: Landfill. That's basically correct. Crazy. I mean that was from

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: Beacon Hill out to Brooklyn to where I live. There

1399
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,480
Speaker 1: was like one little peninsula, you know, one little narrow peninsula,

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01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: and people's wait a minute, this is crazy, we want

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01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,440
Speaker 1: to live here. So they tracked in trainload after trainload

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01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: a gravel from western Massachusetts in just for thirty years

1403
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: and just filed, filled, filled. And that's that's when they

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01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: call it the back bay. They're not kidding. This was

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01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: a bay.

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01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw, I saw map once. Hopefully doesn't

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 3: flood the SMP on this day. Sm P five hundred

1408
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:41,440
Speaker 3: raises on a strong earnings, closing out the best January

1409
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: since nineteen eighty seven. Dow was up seven percent. That

1410
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 3: portfolio is looking good this day arned.

1411
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, as a long term investory of some once

1412
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: it's up, some days it's down. Over a long period

1413
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: of time, you hope it's way up.

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01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 2: Yes, that's compounding interest. How you get it right?

1415
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,440
Speaker 1: That is, that's a critical concept.

1416
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 2: Critical.

1417
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: Can I get a critical tip on how to make

1418
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 3: millions of dollars in the stock market?

1419
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: Number one is be patient, be patient and buy game stop.

1420
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 2: I'll leave that to.

1421
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you if you buy a stock do you

1422
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: know do you actually know this well enough, would you buy.

1423
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: The whole whole stock? I still remember, did you.

1424
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: Buy the whole company?

1425
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 4: Yep?

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01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: If you don't know, if you don't know, if if

1427
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: you can't say for sure, hey, I would buy the

1428
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: whole company at this price. You know, why are you

1429
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 1: buying the stock?

1430
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 3: Would you buy the whole company of what's the AI company?

1431
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: Of Vita or what is it?

1432
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 5: The AI company?

1433
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know enough about it to give

1434
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: you an honest answer. I mean, that's you have.

1435
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 2: It's a true question. I think AI is you?

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: I don't think.

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01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: In the sports world, in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, we

1438
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:09,879
Speaker 3: won the Super Bowl. MVP of the NFL season. Regular

1439
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 3: season was Patrick Mahomes. NC two A champs was Clemson

1440
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray was the Heisman Trophy winner. It was the

1441
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 3: first season without ED hockey jacked jacked since nineteen ninety

1442
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 3: Do you remember d I remember ED?

1443
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: And you know I would not. I would not have

1444
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: remembered that this was the first NFL season.

1445
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 2: What was the scouting report on ED?

1446
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: Uh? Don't mess with them.

1447
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 2: I know we used to have the scouting reports on

1448
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: the refs. Do businesses? Business is being done?

1449
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: Right? I always kind of you know, the let them

1450
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: play refs and the ones who are going to throw

1451
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: flags all.

1452
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 3: Over the the principal refs rams versus the Saints. This

1453
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 3: was the crazy pass interference call that wasn't called.

1454
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: The non passion afarance call.

1455
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 3: And then they put in the challenge of the pass

1456
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 3: interferance the next year, which was how was that that'd

1457
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 3: be horrendous? Remember well it was the operation on doing those.

1458
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: What they put in was the coaches had a lot more,

1459
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: which I was totally in favor of. Uh, you know,

1460
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: if why after this game to have the league office

1461
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: say we blew the call? What good does that do?

1462
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: If you know you blew the call probably cost the

1463
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: Saints trip? That realistic if I cost the Saints trip

1464
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl? So why not let the coach

1465
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:47,839
Speaker 1: challenge it. I understand its passion afference, I understand its judgment.

1466
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: This this was flagrant. I mean the calls you want

1467
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: to be able to challenge are the ones that are

1468
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: cut and drive there They're easy, Uh you know, and

1469
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: I was was the one. You know, I had to

1470
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: do the challenges in the game and at the harder

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: I have to look the less likely we're going to

1472
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: get the call. And I want you know, if you

1473
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: see the ball, they said, he caught it and it bounced,

1474
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: It bounced off the ground. You know, it bounced off

1475
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 1: like happened in this Uh. You know, we we got

1476
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: a successful challenge. It was not a hard call. They said,

1477
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: Watkins caught it, the ball hit the ground. So but

1478
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: if you have someone everybody in the world could see

1479
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: its pass interference, let the coach challenge. I mean, if

1480
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: the coaches, if the coach is wrong, he's going to

1481
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: lose a challenge and lose the time out. But that's

1482
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: the reason, the whole reason you've got coaches challenges in

1483
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: the first place is to try to get it right.

1484
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: Let the referee. Now, let you know the guys, the

1485
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: guys in the league office in New York, they study

1486
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 1: this stuff all the time. You know. If they don't agree, fine,

1487
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: but at least you, as a coach, you got a

1488
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: chance to, uh you throw the red flag out there

1489
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: and try to get it right.

1490
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 3: So, is there one challenge in your career that you

1491
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: still do this day, think that got over, that we

1492
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 3: didn't get that you think messed up on.

1493
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a few that you know it's which one.

1494
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: Ah boy, that's.

1495
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 2: You don't You don't work for.

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01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 5: The Chiefs game in Foxborough.

1497
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: Harry, Yeah, I mean it's you know it looks but

1498
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: but yes, so, but some of this is you know,

1499
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: it's it's camera angle. I mean it was a clear

1500
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 1: and clear and obvious Yeah, it's not it And what

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01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: you know, the standard that I always tried to force

1502
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: ow myself was Al river On, who of course was

1503
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: ahead of a fish. Don't tell me what you think,

1504
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: tell me what you saw. And that's that's the big.

1505
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 2: Don't tell me what you think, tell me what you saw.

1506
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 4: Just a just a quick one there. While we're on

1507
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 4: the subject of challenging, was h can you take us

1508
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 4: through the process of challenging and play with When you

1509
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 4: were in New England, it was just you and Bill

1510
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 4: talking decision.

1511
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: Yes and really so I had I had every coaches

1512
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: booth as a monitor, which is you know, big screen,

1513
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: high definition. But it's the network feet of the games

1514
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: I get. When you're a coach in the in the box,

1515
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: you get exactly what the fans get at home. There's

1516
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: no special cameras and in first place, you never you

1517
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 1: always want to challenge places are significant. Like I've seen

1518
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: coaches challenge a two yard completion. Seriously, I don't care,

1519
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care for the ball hit

1520
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: the receiver.

1521
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,879
Speaker 2: And still missing a challenge use challenge using.

1522
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: Right, I mean what you know? So, Okay, it's two yards,

1523
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: they blew it, go on next play.

1524
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 2: You still lose.

1525
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: You lose it, right right right? So it's you know,

1526
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: it's I wanted to be you know, like back in

1527
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: the day when it was now all turnovers get reviewed,

1528
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: when the first few number of years, you know, that

1529
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: wasn't the case. So I remember, I think we're playing

1530
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: I think we're playing the Jets. It was Aaron Hernandez.

1531
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: He went down, he's got the ball, his farm hits

1532
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: the ground and the and the ball comes out. He's

1533
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: down by contact, clear and and this is a turn

1534
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: Turnovers are big, you know. So that's the one. You know,

1535
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: those are the ones you know you want to uh

1536
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: you want to challenge or you know the same uh,

1537
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, playing the Jets. And was it I think

1538
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: it was Dion Branch. He's down, he's got the ball,

1539
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: his knees on the ground. Jet guy comes up. You know,

1540
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: it makes contact with him. The ball comes loose. Well,

1541
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's no situation. You know, it's it's you know,

1542
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: he's down, contact occurs, you know, it's it's it's clear

1543
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: as that it.

1544
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: Wasn't a stumble bull.

1545
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 5: So when there's an opportunity to potentially challenge, he said,

1546
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 5: it's pretty much you and Coach Belichick. Now, is that

1547
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 5: a very collaborative conversation or is.

1548
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: It more of a trust because you can see the Well, sometimes,

1549
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, in an ideal world, he's he's got the

1550
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: he can look at the jumbo tron. In fact, some

1551
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: coaches who really had you know, like like I'm told

1552
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: and I totally believe this. You know, when Mike Shanahan

1553
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: was at Denver when he put his right hand up

1554
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: in the air, give me the replay on the jumbo

1555
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: tron right now, and you you you hopefully your organization's

1556
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: good enough the guys running the jumbo tron. No, you know,

1557
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: when the head coach puts his fist up in the air,

1558
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: get the jumbo tron so that he can see it.

1559
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: That's idea, you know, the the ideal you know, because obviously,

1560
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: but but there are other times there's there's there's no

1561
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: they ain't showing it. And and actually the worst game

1562
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: was you get to the super Bowl. Yeah, they got

1563
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: seventy two cameras, but the network's got a whole other agenda.

1564
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: So remember the week challenged in the Super Bowl forty six,

1565
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: the Mario Manningham catch.

1566
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a big play.

1567
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: I know, I mean as soon as it happens, I

1568
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: know this is a big decision right here. And the

1569
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: network they're doing a promo for a little house on

1570
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: the prairie or something. I mean, come on, come and

1571
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,959
Speaker 1: it hits me. They're not gonna show me the replay.

1572
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: I would you know, it's a big enough way. It's

1573
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: obviously really tight. I think we just got to go

1574
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,879
Speaker 1: ahead and do this, you know, because the situation dictates

1575
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: now as soon as we see the replay, he caught it.

1576
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: But you know it's it was seventy two cameras here,

1577
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: they're they have priorities other than helping coaches make challenges.

1578
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: It's a little screwed up. It's the Super Bowl, but

1579
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: you know that's that's the way that one worked.

1580
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 3: What's the most egregious missed call in the NFL history

1581
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 3: that you think of.

1582
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, right, the past interference right here. I mean, this

1583
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: is it's fourth quarter, it's crunch time, and you know

1584
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: in a championship game that that's that's by definition. I

1585
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: mean the only one you'd have bigger is if you

1586
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: had you know, this, this play in the Super Bowl.

1587
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: That was crazy, right right.

1588
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: I mean the New Orleans fans still think the NFL

1589
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 3: is rigged because of it.

1590
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 5: We'll toss it to Jackie real quickly, because this was

1591
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 5: an NFC championship game and you guys would eventually play

1592
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 5: the winner of that. Were you scouting any of these

1593
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 5: teams ahead of time or are you focusing entirely on

1594
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 5: the Chief?

1595
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: No? Because the thing with you know that if you

1596
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl, you're going to get two weeks,

1597
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: so I don't really have to. You know, if they

1598
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: came and told us, hey, we're doing the super Bowl

1599
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: next week. Sorry, we're going to play a short week

1600
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: on of Thursday, you know, then then then you know,

1601
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: we would adjusted our schedule like we would do on

1602
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: a Thursday night game. We'd know three weeks ahead of

1603
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: time it's a Thursday night game, so we're gonna have

1604
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: to be up on that team we're playing Thursday because

1605
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're only going you know. It's like what

1606
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: the coach if we came in and won a game

1607
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: and had a Thursday night game coming up, what would

1608
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: Bill say to the team in the locker room. Hey, guys,

1609
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: you need to understand this is a Wednesday. Yeah, get

1610
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: get you get your Monday Wednesday. It's you know, schedule,

1611
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: adjust the schedule. We always say, hey, you tell us

1612
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: when the games are will be there. It could be

1613
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: rain and snow and sunny moon, the moon could be out,

1614
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: it could be you know whatever. You know, they'll tell

1615
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: us when to play. We're going to show up and

1616
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: be ready to play. But if it's a short week,

1617
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: you got to adjust to it, you know. And so

1618
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: the fact that we have two weeks going into the

1619
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: super Bowl, I never worried, you know about that game.

1620
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to have plenty of time

1621
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 1: to get ready, as opposed to I think we talked

1622
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: last time about you know, you know, like I knew,

1623
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: you know we're going to play you know, the uh

1624
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: gotta be ready to play the Colston Division playoff in

1625
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, Yeah, we would. I spent you know,

1626
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 1: six weeks, spend time every day getting ready for that,

1627
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: just like.

1628
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 2: These years are probably doing it with the Chiefs, right.

1629
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 1: So it's you know, so you look, you look ahead,

1630
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: and you try to be smart about it.

1631
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 2: Jackie, you'll not break down these games?

1632
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 4: Can we get one last challenge? Talk real quick? I

1633
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 4: have one more question? Yes, what's the signs behind Bill

1634
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 4: keeping the red flag in the sock?

1635
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: You know what?

1636
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 1: That's a good question for Bill, I think because he knows,

1637
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, he knows where it's going to be there,

1638
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, because you get in you know you're wearing

1639
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: wind pans. Oh yeah, well, because we play we played

1640
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: the game. If you remember twenty sixteen, we play the

1641
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: Rams at Jillette Stadium and that was Jeff Fisher's last

1642
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,759
Speaker 1: year as the head coach. And he's digging. He can't

1643
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,919
Speaker 1: find the he can't find them. He wants to challenge

1644
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: a play, but you know he can't, you know, with

1645
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: the big the park of the pockets and all that,

1646
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: he can't find the flag, you know, right?

1647
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: I mean, how do I make myself better?

1648
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1649
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: Makes yeah, I mean make sure you've got the flag

1650
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: right right where you or you have somebody else with

1651
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: the flag who you tell you stand right next to

1652
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: me and you make sure you got a fly.

1653
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 5: Gotta have a flat guy, the best abilities availability.

1654
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: The more you came in, the more you can do.

1655
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 3: Jackie Love set the stage for this AFC Championship game is.

1656
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 4: Twenty eighteen Chiefs. Let's talk about them real quick. A

1657
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 4: record of twelve and four. Started out hot five and

1658
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,480
Speaker 4: zero and the biggest storyline of this season Patrick Mahomes

1659
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 4: first season as a starter. They ship Alex Smith out

1660
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 4: before the season, they get rid of Marcus Peters. They're

1661
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 4: still on a roll, and Patrick Mahomes first season as

1662
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 4: a starter wins League MVP.

1663
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 5: Jesus fifty touchdowns.

1664
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 4: Fifty touchdowns, those are six year under Andy Reid. This

1665
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 4: is a Eric b Enemy coached offense. Bob Sutton was

1666
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 4: a d season. This is the Priest Bags. Guys. We

1667
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 4: love guy talk. Here some dudes, some notable names on

1668
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 4: this team. This is Kareem Hunt. This is Tyreek Hill,

1669
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 4: This is Travis Kelcey, This is Sammy Watkins, this is

1670
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 4: Kelvin Benjamin. On the other side of the ball, you

1671
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 4: got Justin Houston, d Ford, Eric Berry orlandro Scandric. I mean,

1672
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 4: this is a the high powered Chiefs team and this

1673
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 4: is before before they won the Super Bowl. So uh,

1674
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 4: this is this is still Mahome, baby Mahomes. But he's

1675
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 4: still showing us a ton. And like we mentioned earlier,

1676
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 4: that high powered offense thirty five points a game.

1677
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: And of course because of all that, there was the

1678
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: number one seed, which is why we had to go

1679
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: play this game in Arrowhead. In Arrowhead, I mean, I

1680
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: mean it was you know, like I said, it was cold,

1681
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: the people, you know, and and it's important to understand

1682
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: the difference between a championship game and the Super Bowl

1683
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl the way the tickets get their

1684
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: beat ups. Yeah, so it'll be there will be a

1685
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 1: lot of people there from both teams. There will be

1686
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,839
Speaker 1: people there who just you know, like football, like like football. Uh,

1687
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: but the championship game it's a home game, you know,

1688
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: for for for for one team, and the play it's

1689
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: the places every those fans no, hey, well you know

1690
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: this is a big game for us, so the place

1691
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: will be pumped up. It's it's a totally different atmosphere.

1692
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree.

1693
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 3: This was one of the most insane environments that I

1694
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 3: I mean Kansas City in general. We went and played

1695
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 3: them in twenty fourteen, they beat our ass on Monday

1696
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 3: night football. I mean that place was electric. That place

1697
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 3: gets going. And to amplify it with an AFC championship,

1698
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 3: Like you said, they're all alcohol fueled.

1699
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: And because it was, because it was the second second game,

1700
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: they had the whole afternoon, whole afternoon nothing.

1701
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got those dry rib rub ribs Kansas City barbecue.

1702
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 2: It was crazy. Now what do you what do you think.

1703
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean to And just to show you how crazy

1704
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,520
Speaker 1: was you know, you got you know the great barbecue

1705
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: places in Kansas City. You got Gatess and you got Bryan's.

1706
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Uh and some people like I think it's Jack Stack,

1707
01:27:55,479 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: but right I remember you know the team dining room,

1708
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: there's bottles of Barbarie Bryant's barbecue sash right on the

1709
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: right on every table for breakfast. So it's if you

1710
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: like ribs, it's a place.

1711
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 5: He scoutting restaurants for Wiggins.

1712
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: Listen, if you're in Kansas City. I mean I love ribs. Yeah,

1713
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: you know what the place is. I mean, I'm a

1714
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm a Gates Sky, but you know that's.

1715
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 3: Ernie did order ribs at Hillstones when we went to

1716
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 3: Hillstones for dinner.

1717
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 4: I'm still thinking about those deviled eggs.

1718
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 2: What do you think of what the Chiefs have accomplished

1719
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 2: since this game?

1720
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: It's been phenomenal. Listen. They were you know, I mean

1721
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 1: winning multiple Super Bowls, you know, being and really okay,

1722
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 1: they lost one to they lost one because their offensive

1723
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: line was crippled up. I mean they've they've been, you know,

1724
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: for the last six years. They've been like we were,

1725
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: go to the championship game every year, go to a

1726
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: bunch of Super Bowls. I mean, I think it's it's

1727
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 1: a tremendous accomplishment.

1728
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 3: He draw any similarities between this run and run you know.

1729
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Just having I mean, I'm not there, but I know

1730
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: it's you. You've got to have, you know, mentally tough

1731
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 1: people who know how, you know, who to play over

1732
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: that long NFL season and can know how to show

1733
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,799
Speaker 1: up and be there when it counts.

1734
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 3: The one thing that I always say when people ask

1735
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 3: me this same question is it's been really impressive to

1736
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 3: see how they've reinvented their team the last three times,

1737
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like they've had to adjust

1738
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 3: and they you know, people don't realize how hard it

1739
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 3: is to sustain success.

1740
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 2: With the salary cap, with.

1741
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 3: When you have to pay certain guys and you don't

1742
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 3: have enough money for other guys, and being having having

1743
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 3: the the humility and being humble enough to change their

1744
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 3: team from being a high flying team like they were

1745
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 3: in this year to a run defensive kind of team

1746
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 3: these last couple of years. I mean, that's something that

1747
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 3: we always had to adjust to. We always adjust our

1748
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 3: team to what we could put on the field.

1749
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 1: Yep. You know.

1750
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 3: So that's some of the stuff what makes Andy Reid

1751
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:06,799
Speaker 3: such a good coach.

1752
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a he's got a great system.

1753
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: He believes in it, obviously knows how to teach it.

1754
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had he's been doing now because remember

1755
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: for him, before the Kansas City, there was Philadelphia, yea,

1756
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 1: and they went to you know, they had the string there.

1757
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: They went to, you know, several NFC championship games. And look,

1758
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 1: when you're in you know, when you're in the final

1759
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: four and you lose, a couple of people say, I think,

1760
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's you forget it. To get just just

1761
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: to just to get to the championship game, you got

1762
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: to be really good. There may be somebody who's just

1763
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: a little bit better and beats you that, But that

1764
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: really shouldn't take away from what you do. Although in

1765
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: the end, there's thirty two teams in the NFL, there's

1766
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: only one that gets to stand out there, you know,

1767
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: with that final trophy. So just because you know, maybe hey,

1768
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: you didn't quite get there, you still could be really good,

1769
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: you just you know, not quite good enough to win

1770
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 1: the championship.

1771
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 2: How are Andy Reiding Bill different and how are they alike?

1772
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: You know, because it's yeah, I've never worked with Andy,

1773
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: and you know Bill I've know for fifty years, so

1774
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a hard one for me too.

1775
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 3: I've heard that he practices hard. I heard that they

1776
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 3: practice really hard.

1777
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: You know. That's that's my impression. This is a team

1778
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: when they come out for pregame warm up and nobody's

1779
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: screwing around. I mean they're getting after playing football. And

1780
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: you remember, particularly your younger days, I think we practiced hard.

1781
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: We practiced, I mean we were we were in pads

1782
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: and camp.

1783
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is run in the morning pass.

1784
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's classic NFL. I mean, you know,

1785
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 1: that's that's why guys would have your offensive lineman, they'd

1786
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: have on their you know, the chef instead grass cleats

1787
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: for the morning, they'd have on their tershoes for the

1788
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 1: afternoon for past protection. Uh, it's it's it's you know,

1789
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 1: you know the old thing about the different games. Are

1790
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: you familiar with this a little bit? Okay? Croquet is

1791
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 1: a gentleman's game played by gentlemen. Soccer is a beastly

1792
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: game played by gentlemen. Rugby is a gentleman's game, and

1793
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 1: all that. Football is a beastly game played by beasts.

1794
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, this is it's a it's

1795
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: a you know, it's a nasty game. If you want

1796
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: to learn how to play it, it's you know, it's

1797
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:36,759
Speaker 1: it's hard, it's tough.

1798
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 2: It's tough.

1799
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 3: You better be willing to bleed, eat some dirt, take

1800
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 3: a tablespoon of some men.

1801
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,839
Speaker 2: At least back in the day. I don't know about that.

1802
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: That's I'm joking, but but it's, you know, and that's

1803
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: what we say. And I don't really know any good

1804
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: teams that were soft.

1805
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that's this.

1806
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: Some teams maybe have tried, and there's some of the

1807
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: team games the players come whoa, it wasn't like this

1808
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: the last team. I was, well, great, how many championships

1809
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:05,679
Speaker 1: did you win?

1810
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1811
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 3: Now, did you scout Mahomes coming out of Texas Tech?

1812
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 1: You know it did not really because this was at

1813
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: the stage we said there is zero possibility of us

1814
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback in the first round. So I mean,

1815
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: but he was, he was. But but no, I wish, uh,

1816
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: you know, I wish I could say I studied more

1817
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 1: than I did.

1818
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 3: But have you seen his evolution from the early part

1819
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 3: of his career?

1820
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 2: What have you noticed? How has he evolved if you've

1821
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: watched it?

1822
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he started off really good and he's

1823
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: gotten better. No, No, you know, you know, being a

1824
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 1: good quarterback in the NFL, that's a high wire. Actor's

1825
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: known that. So uh yeah, you you you got to

1826
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: be aggressive with the ball, but you just got you know,

1827
01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: you got to know at some point this this that

1828
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: there is that fine line between being reckless, you know,

1829
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: being aggressive and being reckless.

1830
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 3: Now, I always remember when we would be playing against

1831
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 3: these teams, the game plan when you're playing against the

1832
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes team, I just remember, as an offensive guy,

1833
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 3: plaster plaster, we got a plaster. What's the game plan?

1834
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 3: So the biggest the biggest And what does plaster mean.

1835
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 3: Plaster means when when the quarterbacks starts.

1836
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,719
Speaker 1: Scrambling, you know, you find the find a guy. Finally,

1837
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: if there's a guy open, go get on him. What

1838
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: made this team so dangerous was he got Mahmes and

1839
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:39,759
Speaker 1: you got Tyreek Hill, who's you know, the speed factor

1840
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 1: really changes things. So we got to be over the

1841
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: top on him. You know, the other guys are good,

1842
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: but we have to you know, we have to take

1843
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: this guy away deep. And that's why I say, you

1844
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: always start off what what at the heart of it?

1845
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 1: What do we really need to do on defense here?

1846
01:34:58,720 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 2: So what did we do to do that?

1847
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 1: So we had Devin, we had we had safety over

1848
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: the top of them all day, which you know it's

1849
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: worked out, but they got you know, that leaves other

1850
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: people one on one. I mean they got just we

1851
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: get it. Later in the game they start hitting us

1852
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: with the backs on the wheels. They hit the big

1853
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: play the hill when my homes scrambled. And now you

1854
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: always premise your defense, we'll get a pass rush, we'll

1855
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: keep the quarterback contained. The ball is going to have

1856
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: to come out in about three seconds. When the quarterback

1857
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: gets loose, and now he's got up there five six

1858
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 1: second range, your things start to break down, bad stuff happens. Again.

1859
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: This is you get your plan, you practice it, and

1860
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: you do the best you can.

1861
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 2: Now, how come Travis Kelcey always seems wide.

1862
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: Open because he's you know, you get you know, number one,

1863
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 1: He's got other you know, other great players around them,

1864
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: so they can't just double up on him. He knows

1865
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: hort of working on when the quarterbacks moving around, he's

1866
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: gonna he can adjust with it, and you know, and

1867
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's got the great tools for a receiver.

1868
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1869
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 3: Then when for this specific Kansas City team, the number

1870
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 3: one thing was we have to contain Hill.

1871
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 2: We have to let him have a big play.

1872
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: Stay over the top of head over the top.

1873
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 3: Put Jay Jones, our fastest guy on him. Put other

1874
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 3: guys right.

1875
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: So so if he go you know, if he goes

1876
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: over to Watkins, you got you got Steph. And there

1877
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 1: there's a couple of plays there in the second quarter.

1878
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's back to back plays. I mean it's

1879
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 1: Steph just well he just wires him at the line

1880
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So yeah, you got single coverage, but it's

1881
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: against Steph Gilmore and you can't get off the line

1882
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. And then you know, stuff happens during the game.

1883
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,479
Speaker 1: They hit, they hit one big play on him because

1884
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: he kind of takes a sneak. You know what do

1885
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 1: you You can't mean you're an old defensive back. You

1886
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 1: play in the AFC Championship game when it's man the

1887
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,799
Speaker 1: man coverage. What's the most important thing. Keep your leverage,

1888
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,560
Speaker 1: keep your left and keep your focus on the receiver.

1889
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 2: Your receiver. Do not have your guys in the background.

1890
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:01,919
Speaker 1: You stick your rise back at the quarterback.

1891
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 2: It's over.

1892
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: And even even as great a player as Stephan has

1893
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: got caught one time he's stuck a peep back and

1894
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,600
Speaker 1: you know it's it's going the wrong direction. So I

1895
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,919
Speaker 1: mean this is like say, it's a messy game. Stuff happens.

1896
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: You just keep going, do the best you can make.

1897
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 1: You try and make more plays for your team than

1898
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: the guys are making for their team. You have a

1899
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,000
Speaker 1: plan and all that. It doesn't always work out that way.

1900
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's you always got to adjust.

1901
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: Okay, because the other team is doing exactly the other

1902
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: team's trying to counteract for it.

1903
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 3: Your adjust to the adjustments. Yeah, that's how it's simple. Now, Jack,

1904
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 3: let's set the stage for the Patriots.

1905
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 4: Let's go through this paths run. So we touched on

1906
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,839
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys, a lot of these guys earlier,

1907
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 4: and we know this this roster inside and out. This

1908
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 4: is an eleven and five season for the Patriots, coming

1909
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 4: off back to back Super Bowl appearance. They're eighth AFC

1910
01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 4: title appearance in a row, eighth straight, eighth straight, insane

1911
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 4: when the AFC East for the tenth straight year. This

1912
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 4: is Jules's first year back after the ACL tair Coming Back, Baby,

1913
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 4: coming Back. This was also the season of the dreaded

1914
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 4: Miracle in Miami game, Oh, which we hate. We hate that.

1915
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 4: We hate that game, which to kind of be pivotal.

1916
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 2: Why do we hate that game, Ernie.

1917
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: Because you should lose? I mean, you know, we lost

1918
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 1: the game because we played bad football. I mean, you know,

1919
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: if you go out and play a good, solid game,

1920
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: the other teams just speech, okay, you'd be it. If

1921
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: you go out and lose a game because you screwed

1922
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: it up, that's bad.

1923
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 2: We have changed the Gronk being back there.

1924
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And this was this was a little bit

1925
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,759
Speaker 4: unique for a Patriot season. Back to back double digit losses.

1926
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 4: There in week two and three. You'll remember the loss

1927
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 4: to Maddy p on Monday Night Football when he was

1928
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 4: in Detroit. Remember that when I was a bum urber

1929
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 4: game too.

1930
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: I was on a vacate, I was on the Yeah.

1931
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 4: Forget that.

1932
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: Forget that.

1933
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 4: But also in this season, this will kind of take

1934
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 4: us into the lead up. There was a Week six

1935
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 4: game at Geleete Stadium that saw eighty three total points

1936
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:07,559
Speaker 4: forty three forty The Patriots beat the Chiefs.

1937
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 3: And this was like a week after the Rams and

1938
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 3: the the or maybe two weeks after, remember the Rams

1939
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 3: played the Chiefs.

1940
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 2: That was actually a little what was it later? Yeah,

1941
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 2: where it was like forty It was a lot.

1942
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like fifty fifty fifty four forty.

1943
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: Eight or so.

1944
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 4: That game was something else, wasn't it. Yeah? That was

1945
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:30,640
Speaker 4: Week eleven, good memory, fifty four fifty one at the

1946
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 4: LA Memorial Coliseum. Baby, what a game that was, Jared Golf, Yeah,

1947
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 4: my home's a duel.

1948
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 3: Now, how much did we pull from Week six game

1949
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 3: because we beat the Chiefs?

1950
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 1: You all, there's nothing like, you know, hey, we've you

1951
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: get a sense, Okay, some things with our team just

1952
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 1: we should have done more of it. We need to

1953
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: fix up. You know, there's nothing like, you know, like

1954
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go play play you know, it's like

1955
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,799
Speaker 1: playing your division, your division game games. You know those teams,

1956
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 1: you know they know you well. I mean, you know

1957
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,440
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, we played them in the open up twenty seventeen.

1958
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: We played them in this game right in two thousand

1959
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 1: and eight. Team we had actually played them in a

1960
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: playoff game in twenty sixteen, I want to say so,

1961
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean and even that was okay, that was with

1962
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, Prima Homes, But I mean, we we knew,

1963
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, I always kind of felt like this this

1964
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 1: was a little bit like playing the Colts when Manning

1965
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,080
Speaker 1: was there. It's a little bit like a division game

1966
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 1: for us, you know, you know them. It's it's different

1967
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: than going playing a game. And truly, the players we

1968
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: haven't played against, coaches, we haven't coached against, you know,

1969
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: like an NFC team.

1970
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we play them early in the season

1971
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 3: and we get to pull certain situations from that game

1972
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 3: that we can incorporate into our game plan going forward. Now,

1973
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,600
Speaker 3: can we explain situational football to the listener. Every we

1974
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:03,639
Speaker 3: always talk about situational football when everyone associates, Oh, this

1975
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 3: team does situational football good all the time?

1976
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:07,839
Speaker 2: What a situational football?

1977
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 1: So there are some times, you know, like for instance, uh,

1978
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: short yardage, we didn't do a good this game. We're

1979
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: going to look at in against the Chiefs two thousand.

1980
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 2: We did a bad job on offense. Well, what's short yardage?

1981
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Short yardage would be when you're third, you're out in

1982
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: the field, it's third and fourth, third or fourth down,

1983
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 1: and you've got one yard to get the first down,

1984
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: one of two yards, one of the two, although the

1985
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: way it's gone that two yards, it's more like one

1986
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:44,160
Speaker 1: the one, that one the half okay, where that's you know, normally,

1987
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: if it's first and ten, you'd like to you know,

1988
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 1: and you run the ball, you really like to get

1989
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: four yards. It'd say, you know, you're not behind you

1990
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: because now it's second, sixth. Now you can run and

1991
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 1: pass again. You know, on the third and one you

1992
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: need one yard. If you get it, you get new

1993
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: set of downs. If you don't get it, depending where

1994
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: the boller is, by going have to punt. So it's

1995
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 1: a very you know, both teams are playing you know,

1996
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: for that for that one yard, whereas if it's if

1997
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 1: it's first to ten.

1998
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 2: Is first and ten a situation?

1999
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: No, well it is, it is, but it's not. But

2000
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 1: you're gonna have twenty on an average game, you're going

2001
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 1: to if you're an offensive coordinator, you can expect to

2002
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: make twenty four first and ten calls during the game.

2003
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 2: Now, what's the different between the P ten and the

2004
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 2: first and ten?

2005
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes P and ten is the first, first first down

2006
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: of a series, so some teams will have you can

2007
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: look at them, and some teams may go a little

2008
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: bit differently.

2009
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 2: So is that a different situation P ten in person ten?

2010
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: It can be a little bit different, but as opposed

2011
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: to you know, like I said, short yardage where both

2012
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: teams are you're playing for one yard, or it can

2013
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: be you know, critical, it can be out and the field.

2014
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 1: It can be third and six inches, but it can

2015
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: be you know a.

2016
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 3: Big Now, is that a third down situation is a

2017
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 3: short short yard?

2018
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it is third down, but it's a it's a

2019
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 1: very specific subset of third down that's short to short yard.

2020
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 3: So for the listener, so the situation is every exact

2021
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 3: moment of the game so short yardage being a third

2022
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 3: down situation, but third down situation could be broken up

2023
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 3: into three different situations. There's a third and short, there's

2024
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 3: a short yardage play, third and short being two to

2025
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 3: five or two to four.

2026
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: To two to four, and then and then you're gonna

2027
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 1: end up with you always have to be ready, you know,

2028
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 1: third third, you know unusual third and eighteen plus and

2029
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: you need.

2030
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 2: A first down that's just in third and long category.

2031
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: Right, But I mean you have to be you know,

2032
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 1: you have to be ready, you know if if that uh,

2033
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, if that comes up. I mean some sometimes

2034
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: it can be third and eighteen and say listen, let's

2035
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 1: just get eight yards here on punt. We don't want

2036
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: to throw the ball that we don't want to. We

2037
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 1: don't want to take a big sack that you have

2038
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: it before to thirty. Uh, but there's other third and eighteens.

2039
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: We really need to try to pick this up. So

2040
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: that's why we would always try to have you know,

2041
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 1: something you know in our bag of tricks for you

2042
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: know that third and eighteen we gotta try to pick

2043
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 1: it up. So situational thing it can also be having

2044
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 1: to do with the time situation, late in the game.

2045
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: You know, situational football ten it tends to come up most.

2046
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, when you get under five minutes to go

2047
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 1: in the game, when the clock's the factor, the scores

2048
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: a factor, you know, when everything kicks in.

2049
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 3: What is a situational football play that you prepared for

2050
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 3: or you had the team prepared for that you can

2051
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:39,400
Speaker 3: remember and it came into the game probably under a

2052
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 3: weird circumstance than that we executed well.

2053
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean the famous one you know situational football was

2054
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:49,680
Speaker 1: down the goal line against the Seahawks. You know, I

2055
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: mean because they had, like all teams, they have some

2056
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: things they're good at. They like to run. They had,

2057
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, the way they like to throw the ball

2058
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 1: down there. You know that we worked that, you know,

2059
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 1: the Famousy and Malcolm it's the interception that we had

2060
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: worked on that route and practice. Yeah, Hey, this is

2061
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: the play they like to run down there. So what

2062
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 1: else are we going to work on?

2063
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,919
Speaker 2: Now? How does situational football help you for that situation?

2064
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 1: Well, but being on the goal line, you know, goal

2065
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: on I mean when it's when they got the ball

2066
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,720
Speaker 1: inside your two yard line, it's really you know, they

2067
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: get two yards, they get six points.

2068
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,520
Speaker 3: How did we how did we how did we get

2069
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:29,719
Speaker 3: a tell on this specific situation through the preparation.

2070
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: Because because we had you know, going through I had

2071
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 1: my Seahawks book, uh dark color whatever. But but but

2072
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 1: getting ready to play, you know, specifically that Friday practice,

2073
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 1: you know before the Super Bowl, and what are they like?

2074
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: I got four players? Were four players on the goal line?

2075
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 1: What do they like to run? Well, they got a

2076
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: couple of rockets. They really they obviously really liked it.

2077
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 1: You know, like you know, having the outside receiver come

2078
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 1: out of under out it'd be you know, it'd be

2079
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, irresponsibly not to show that to the team

2080
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 1: because they've run this multiple times.

2081
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 3: Now, was there a specific thing that the defense did

2082
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 3: so like in that specific play in the Seahawks, we

2083
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 3: kept in well, we were.

2084
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,840
Speaker 1: In goal line three corners, so the interior part of

2085
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 1: the defense was in a goal line front. So everybody's

2086
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 1: wanted to just hand the ball off to Marshall Lynch,

2087
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 1: to Marshawn Lynch. Well, because we had a goal line

2088
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,679
Speaker 1: front in there, they were an eleven personnel, which means

2089
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 1: there was going to be somebody unblocked, which famously happens

2090
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 1: when we played in two thousand and three regular season

2091
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 1: against the Colts, similar situation. We were in a goal

2092
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,879
Speaker 1: line front. They handed the ball offt Edger and James

2093
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: William McGinnis was unblocked off the edge and guess what happened.

2094
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 1: He hit him three yards in the backfield and the

2095
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,600
Speaker 1: game was over. So that's what we tried to do.

2096
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: We tried to have a goal line front to stop

2097
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 1: the run and then have corners against their wide receivers.

2098
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: We didn't have linebackers matched up trying to cover their

2099
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,520
Speaker 1: wide receivers, so that that's.

2100
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 2: So that's why they checked into that. That's why.

2101
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: Really the fact that they were an eleven personnel, they

2102
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 1: three wide receivers in the game, and we had a

2103
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 1: goal line front and there really was no run and

2104
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: play they could call where they could block us. I mean,

2105
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, they could try to hand off and

2106
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe Marshall Lynch would have broken a tackle three yards

2107
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,560
Speaker 1: in the backfield to run for a run for a touchdown.

2108
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're coaching the game, and they

2109
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,880
Speaker 1: kind of knew because the way that match s up,

2110
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,440
Speaker 1: they kind of knew they had to throw it. Yeah,

2111
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing about when you're when you

2112
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: get when you're spread out, the defense kind of dictates

2113
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: to you if it's going to be a run of pass.

2114
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: If they come up and pack the line of scrimmage,

2115
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: you really can't run, but you know you got one

2116
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 1: on ones with the receivers.

2117
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 3: So that's an example of studying the situation of short

2118
01:47:56,360 --> 01:48:00,760
Speaker 3: yardage goal line and then taking a city situation that

2119
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 3: was from two thousand and three, remembering that, having it

2120
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 3: logged in the back of your brain that hey, we

2121
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,679
Speaker 3: gave the same look to a eleven personnel group team

2122
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 3: with the Colts went that three yards dictated Seattle into changing. Well,

2123
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 3: it was they, but I mean, and but for you guys,

2124
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:20,599
Speaker 3: you guys played the situation.

2125
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean it was a huge you know, it was

2126
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 1: that oh three regular season and we got a big

2127
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 1: lead on the Colts. They came back. It came down

2128
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: the one play. I mean, they're even going to score

2129
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 1: a touchdown and win, and we're going to stop them.

2130
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 1: They're spread out, they hand the ball off and of course,

2131
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 1: what's you know, famous on my mind because I respect

2132
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: them so much. But after the game, Peyton Manning is

2133
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 1: on both knees with his hands looking up like this,

2134
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 1: and you know we're running the rock because we just

2135
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 1: made a big play. But I mean, that's the it's hey,

2136
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 1: it's one player of games on the line. You haven't

2137
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 1: you having the right thing.

2138
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 3: Called so the situational football forced them to throw in

2139
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 3: this situation to.

2140
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: Dictate it dictated you know, it dictated a.

2141
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 2: Pass, dictated a pass.

2142
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 3: And that's what folks, that's situational football breaking down.

2143
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 2: It's the game within the game.

2144
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 1: Within the game, right or you know it's being uh,

2145
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 1: particularly at the end of the games when you know it's

2146
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 1: every player really counts. You know you can win and

2147
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 1: lose the game on one play. The clock's a factor

2148
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,719
Speaker 1: every you know, you have to you have to really

2149
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 1: figure in.

2150
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 3: Everything, which for a player is huge because you know,

2151
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 3: on a on a Friday practice or a Monday or

2152
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 3: a Saturday travel day walk through, you go through five

2153
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 3: six situations and you're over here, we practiced them a

2154
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 3: bunch and you get like, all right, we've gone over

2155
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 3: this situation just so many times. But then when it

2156
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 3: comes down to, like in Ernie's point, the last four

2157
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 3: or five minutes of the game, we get into these situations.

2158
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:58,680
Speaker 3: We were never surprised. Other teams would be surprised when

2159
01:49:58,720 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 3: they got into the situation, which leaves you in jeopardy

2160
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 3: of not honing down your task and doing your job

2161
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 3: for that specific play right.

2162
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 1: And you know it's going fast. I mean, you may

2163
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: get a you may have gotten hit three plays going

2164
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, on your arm. You know, you may think

2165
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 1: you got a broken arm. So there's there's a lot

2166
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 1: of stuff going on. As a coach, you just hope

2167
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:27,000
Speaker 1: you've done enough of the preparation so that some of it,

2168
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 1: enough of it comes back that your team can pull

2169
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 1: it off and do it when it counts.

2170
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 3: And that situational football. Now we're gonna jump into this

2171
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 3: Chiefs game. And when we were doing our prep call

2172
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 3: with Ernie, he wanted to get into a deep dive.

2173
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:46,400
Speaker 3: He's like, I want to deep dive into some plays. Like,

2174
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 3: all right, Ernie, we can do some plays, but like,

2175
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:52,639
Speaker 3: why don't you send over the plays? Ernie sent over

2176
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 3: about how many thirty thirty plays that he wanted to

2177
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 3: go over deep dive.

2178
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 2: I say, Ernie, we can't. We'd be here for four hours.

2179
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 3: We'll show that those are all the plays he wanted

2180
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,679
Speaker 3: to go over, and we said, hey, Ernie, how about

2181
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 3: five plays? So that's what we are going to do.

2182
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 3: Why did you pick these plays? What plays are they?

2183
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:13,639
Speaker 3: Let's let's dive into.

2184
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 1: It, because I thought, okay, so there's a bunch of

2185
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's gonna be a bunch of places

2186
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:21,400
Speaker 1: we can't cover. Well, let's let's let's do a place

2187
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 1: where there's something interesting on every play, something that we

2188
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 1: can really talk about. Maybe the fans don't really see, Like,

2189
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,720
Speaker 1: for instance, I got one, you know, because I really

2190
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 1: like to wear our offensive line executed on a screen pass.

2191
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:35,519
Speaker 2: So what plays this? Let's jump into it.

2192
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 1: Well, let's it. Okay, so we'll wait. This is I

2193
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: think the right at the end of the first half,

2194
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: like fifty one seconds laught.

2195
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,519
Speaker 5: This first one is two minutes and twenty five.

2196
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 1: The first one we have to stop to. Okay, we

2197
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: we all agreed we have to start with this. We

2198
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 1: got Corridell Patterson run you know, every because the Jets sweep,

2199
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 1: jet sweep, jet sweep.

2200
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 3: So the down and distance is second and nine. Yeah,

2201
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 3: the ball is on Kansas City thirty three yard line.

2202
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 3: The situation pats up seven zero.

2203
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 1: And of course the reason that we got to start

2204
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 1: with this Jewels is because on this way you got

2205
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 1: to come in and crack on the middle linebacker.

2206
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 2: You gotta crack on the middle okay.

2207
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 1: Which is like you know, you know, this is how

2208
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 1: many times in an average season, how many times you

2209
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: crack on the middle linebacker?

2210
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:27,479
Speaker 2: I would say maybe two. Maybe it's not a game plan.

2211
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,240
Speaker 1: So this is a little bit of an advantage receiver

2212
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 1: because you got the element of surprise because those linebackers

2213
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,400
Speaker 1: don't really come out looking, hey, where's that receiver going

2214
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:39,640
Speaker 1: to crack me? Now, if you've done it once in

2215
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 1: a game, you're not going to get away with it

2216
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 1: a second time again because they will be looking for

2217
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 1: the first time.

2218
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:47,759
Speaker 2: You got a little bit of the element of surprise.

2219
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 2: So we have the element of surprise. Second and nine.

2220
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 3: This is one of the plays, one of the five

2221
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:55,559
Speaker 3: most important plays.

2222
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 1: This is why I interesting, interesting, interesting, Interesting, You tell

2223
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 1: me when you're ready to move on, we can go on.

2224
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 2: So this is a like a trip's right twins?

2225
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 4: What is trips?

2226
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 1: Right? We're we're in empty here empty We're going to

2227
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 1: motion back in the backfield hand off the well will

2228
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 1: end up basically in a bunch, right. We we create

2229
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,640
Speaker 1: the create the formation.

2230
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 2: And so explain why this is an impressive play.

2231
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 1: Well, it's because you come in and you know, I mean,

2232
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 1: you can. The biggest thing is, first of all, you

2233
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,600
Speaker 1: get CP coming. You give him a chance to do

2234
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: what he does best. Let's gets to the ball in

2235
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:31,759
Speaker 1: his hands and try to get out on the edge.

2236
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 1: And then you know, we've we've got you know, we

2237
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: we we get them a little bit because we've got

2238
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: we're cracking on.

2239
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 2: The linebacker element of surprise element, you.

2240
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: Know, I mean, and I always look you you can

2241
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 1: run offensive football. You can run with power, you can

2242
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 1: run with speed, and you can try to have a

2243
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:54,400
Speaker 1: play with deception. Here we've got no question, speed with

2244
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:59,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of deception. Next, power, well power, but

2245
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: power plays when you're really going, you know, going right.

2246
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,800
Speaker 1: We we played, we came out in this game running

2247
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 1: the ball right at them. We were playing the game,

2248
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, with some power coming right right off the start.

2249
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:13,880
Speaker 2: I felt like we we we controlled the game.

2250
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: We we absolutely controlled the game in the box, controlled

2251
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:21,360
Speaker 1: the tempo of the game, and we kept their offense

2252
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 1: off the field.

2253
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 3: And because of plays like this, where we would be

2254
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 3: in a regular you know, twelve personnel group and we

2255
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 3: would run a power we'd give it to Rex and

2256
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 3: I'd have a traditional go get the safety force.

2257
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 2: It was the deception with the.

2258
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: The com you're lining up starting off having empty empty,

2259
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 1: well an empty realistically, we're not going to just snap

2260
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 1: the ball at the top. I have a quarterback run

2261
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 1: and that's you know, they know it's not gonna happen

2262
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 1: when you're an empty they know you're throwing. Yeah, so

2263
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 1: they're good for the pass. We motion back in uh

2264
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, and hand the ball off quick and boom,

2265
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: there we go.

2266
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Execution. That's awesome.

2267
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 1: Here you are Jules on the right.

2268
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 2: There on the right, rob.

2269
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 3: Second night.

2270
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:17,000
Speaker 2: Speed motion. Take its hidden.

2271
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 1: And I will and I will guarantee you that that

2272
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 1: linebacker when you came in it was a it was

2273
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:31,040
Speaker 1: a whiskey tango fox trot right the fox shot but

2274
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: he was not expected and you walled him off and

2275
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: took him out of the play.

2276
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:43,640
Speaker 3: Was also really run that back play it it's a

2277
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 3: really good job by Gronk taking to taking too and

2278
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 3: you got and so you get CP who's got when

2279
01:55:51,160 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 3: he I mean he's got some jets.

2280
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 1: When he gets the ball in his hands, you get

2281
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,360
Speaker 1: you stealing the back of Rob. I mean that that's

2282
01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 1: why the play worked.

2283
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 3: That was that was a great play and it's set up.

2284
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 3: I mean I think we went on what were we

2285
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 3: doing this this drive?

2286
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 1: I think this is the drive where we ended up

2287
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:13,160
Speaker 1: going down and throwing the interception the play action pass

2288
01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 1: on the goal line.

2289
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 2: Welay went for fifteen. But we were driving the ball.

2290
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 1: We we we were we hey, we were in control here.

2291
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 1: But you know, we get down there, we're head seven

2292
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:26,240
Speaker 1: and nothing. We got the ball and the goal line,

2293
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, we're gonna go fourteen nothing here. Yeah,

2294
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 1: but they get paid, like Lee Corso says, not so fast.

2295
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 2: So fast anything else from this player.

2296
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 1: And that was really the Like I said, there's no

2297
01:56:41,880 --> 01:56:44,760
Speaker 1: way I'm not great shot of you coming blocking a backer.

2298
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:46,560
Speaker 1: There's no way we weren't starting with that.

2299
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 2: I love it, love it, Yeah, I love it.

2300
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: And in fact, Christine watched this game with me said,

2301
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: you got to put that play in.

2302
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 2: Thanks Adams, all right.

2303
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 3: Pivotal pay play number two, five thirty five, second quarter,

2304
01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 3: down in distance, first and ten ball on the Kansas

2305
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:11,640
Speaker 3: City thirty five yard line. New England is up seven zero.

2306
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 3: What do we got here earn play two.

2307
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 1: You know this is like I said, the big thing here.

2308
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 2: This is for an This is a Kansas City play.

2309
01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 1: This is a Kansas City play. We got you know,

2310
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:27,600
Speaker 1: we got we got uh your hill double. We got

2311
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 1: somebody over the top of him. It doesn't quite work

2312
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 1: out the way the way we wanted here. This is

2313
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:37,240
Speaker 1: this is you know, a great route by Tyreek Hill.

2314
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: Not only is your fast, but he comes in, brings

2315
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: about almost into the hash Mark, takes it back out

2316
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: on a deep, deep flag route. Mahomes breaks loose and

2317
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 1: this is you know. They hit him for about fifty yards.

2318
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:51,240
Speaker 2: Here and they called it the Helen Keller audible.

2319
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 1: Col you know what this is. I know they have

2320
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: they got they like we had. We had some place

2321
01:57:58,480 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 1: we had names for.

2322
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone tells tells everyone what to do.

2323
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: Right, it's as a NASCAR play, Wolf, Jaguar, Jordans. We

2324
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 1: had Air Force one. I mean, you know, so they

2325
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 1: got I know they got Helen Keller. I mean I

2326
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 1: think they had this year they had something they called

2327
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:23,480
Speaker 1: Tom and Jerry. I mean it's what else I mean, yeah, yeah, sometimes,

2328
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 1: but but but I will tell you this, like, for instance,

2329
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 1: I know you know, you get on TV sometimes you

2330
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,480
Speaker 1: can hear the quarterback play. Well, a good quarterback will

2331
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:36,200
Speaker 1: go watch the TV tape and when there's something that

2332
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:39,120
Speaker 1: was obviously hey, I called something during the game, and

2333
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: you know it might be distinctive that would be changed

2334
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 1: for next week, they'll change it. So so like they,

2335
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 1: like I said, they had the Chiefs this dispass year,

2336
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean they had a Tom and Jerry, they had

2337
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:54,320
Speaker 1: the big It made sense to their offense. And if

2338
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 1: you're on the other team, you know you have no idea,

2339
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:58,360
Speaker 1: so just just play.

2340
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 5: Some quarterbacks might change it. Others might name the production

2341
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 5: company after it.

2342
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:06,680
Speaker 1: Well, right, but that was yeah, yeah, right.

2343
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 2: So they use the fake speed sweep.

2344
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 3: They have a deep V route, the deep V route

2345
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:17,720
Speaker 3: by Tyreek Hill, which is you run directly at that

2346
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:21,920
Speaker 3: safety until he makes it or declares where he's gonna go,

2347
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:23,720
Speaker 3: and then once he does that, he's going to hit

2348
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:27,480
Speaker 3: it to the flag route. Patrick Mahomes with his second

2349
01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:30,880
Speaker 3: play gets loose and is able to hit right.

2350
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,720
Speaker 1: This is home and this is how this is how

2351
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 1: we get fifty yards in a chunk. Great players, you know,

2352
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 1: making a good making great play and.

2353
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:42,000
Speaker 2: What could have we done better to contain well.

2354
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:45,040
Speaker 1: Number one, you never you never want Mahomes running around

2355
01:59:45,080 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 1: loose for the ball because that's just sand. If you can,

2356
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:53,120
Speaker 1: if you've got him contained, uh, he's basically gonna have

2357
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 1: three seconds to throw it, which gives you, gives you

2358
01:59:57,040 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: coverage guys a chance. When he gets loose, now he's

2359
02:00:00,200 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 1: got six or seven seconds, and that gives that's all

2360
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:07,280
Speaker 1: that extra time for the receivers to get open. I mean, bad,

2361
02:00:07,480 --> 02:00:09,960
Speaker 1: bad stuff's gonna happen to you on defense when you

2362
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:12,920
Speaker 1: let him get you up. Like we and we had

2363
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,200
Speaker 1: a one of the players which I don't think we

2364
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:19,040
Speaker 1: have on the list, where he's got a third down

2365
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 1: on about our thirty yard line. We get the pressure

2366
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:25,960
Speaker 1: on him and he's look and we get the sack,

2367
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 1: which now only a sack. It took them out of

2368
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:32,080
Speaker 1: field goal range so they got to kick it. So

2369
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's, you know, keeping him bottled. It's every defense,

2370
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 1: like offense is a team proposition. You got to keep

2371
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,400
Speaker 1: him contained, keep the coverage limited time he has to

2372
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 1: throw the ball, and that's what gives you a chance.

2373
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 1: When things break down, he starts running a round, unpredictable,

2374
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:52,440
Speaker 1: the chances something bad happening for the defense and a

2375
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 1: big play for the offense go up tremendously.

2376
02:00:55,120 --> 02:00:58,839
Speaker 3: So the man of integrity of football, Ernie Adams picks

2377
02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 3: one for the Patriots and his second good place for

2378
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:02,680
Speaker 3: the Chiefs.

2379
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:07,160
Speaker 1: This I'm trying to be the objective our fans might

2380
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:10,680
Speaker 1: they might like watch it. You describe the V route

2381
02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 1: that he's gonna run. How does the receiver get open deep?

2382
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:16,440
Speaker 2: This is let's see it. Let's put it on.

2383
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,760
Speaker 3: So if you watch Tyreek Hill right here and this

2384
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:23,760
Speaker 3: is podcast version, but now he gets he's got the

2385
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:28,240
Speaker 3: speed to outside release and then attack the safety and

2386
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,760
Speaker 3: manipulate the coverage.

2387
02:01:30,440 --> 02:01:33,520
Speaker 2: Thinking he's gonna go out. But when she starts going in.

2388
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:35,440
Speaker 1: I think you got a good shot of this actually

2389
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:36,240
Speaker 1: coming from the ends.

2390
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:46,280
Speaker 2: One watch see he tacks the safety. You can't see

2391
02:01:46,280 --> 02:01:47,240
Speaker 2: the safety, but with the.

2392
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:50,440
Speaker 1: Devia well, the fact he's coming in, he freezes devine.

2393
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:52,680
Speaker 1: So when he breaks out, it's all he's got in

2394
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:54,400
Speaker 1: front of his green grass.

2395
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 3: And Keon probably should have kept the outside leverage.

2396
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: Well, the big yeah, but it's uh when the other

2397
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:06,160
Speaker 1: thing to deal with that kind of speed he's got there,

2398
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:10,760
Speaker 1: It's that's where for instance, when they beat uh, they

2399
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 1: beat Chiefs Beach, San Francisco, going to the Super Bowl,

2400
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 1: their first Super Bowl win. Big play in the game

2401
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:21,800
Speaker 1: was it was a little different but sort of similar

2402
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:25,440
Speaker 1: deep flag rout to the Hill. It's it's like all

2403
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,320
Speaker 1: those other players are playing in fourth gear and Hill's

2404
02:02:28,360 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 1: playing in sixth gear. You know, I mean, that's what woo?

2405
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:35,440
Speaker 1: Just what buy me? It's like those guys were flying.

2406
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 1: You know, the famous United States fighter playing World War

2407
02:02:39,880 --> 02:02:42,320
Speaker 1: two is the P fifty one. And then you know

2408
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:45,320
Speaker 1: it was the Mustang. Was a great playing and the

2409
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,720
Speaker 1: first time they're in combat and they ever saw you know,

2410
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:52,360
Speaker 1: the Germans had you know a jet WOA watch just

2411
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 1: what buy me? I mean that's you know, the world

2412
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:57,520
Speaker 1: just changed, but something just what buy you?

2413
02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:59,760
Speaker 2: That fast? And that was Tyreek Hill?

2414
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 1: Was Tyreek Kell.

2415
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great execution.

2416
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:06,720
Speaker 3: I mean that's also that's one in a generation type route.

2417
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:08,520
Speaker 3: There's only like three people in the history of the

2418
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:10,839
Speaker 3: league that Corona route like that where you can outside

2419
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:13,720
Speaker 3: release and then get back into the middle field to

2420
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 3: then open up the middle the outside frye.

2421
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:19,880
Speaker 1: And that's why this guy was such a dominant player

2422
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:21,560
Speaker 1: for them. That's why we should we gotta double him

2423
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:25,400
Speaker 1: every play because he's that dangerous. He can do this stuff.

2424
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't, if you don't have somebody

2425
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 1: over the top, they're going to rain touchdowns over your head.

2426
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:35,720
Speaker 3: So you can live with eight fifteen yarders, but this

2427
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 3: guy can get fifty and one right.

2428
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 1: And you may not say not to say you like

2429
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 1: giving up fifteen yard plays to Travis kelcey, but it's

2430
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,320
Speaker 1: better than get, you know, giving up a touchdown.

2431
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go to the next one.

2432
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 3: Pivotal play number three or play that we want to discuss,

2433
02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:57,760
Speaker 3: Number three. Earny addition down in distance is first and ten.

2434
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 3: It's fifty one seconds in the second order. This is

2435
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 3: a huge situational alert. End of half play. It is

2436
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:12,080
Speaker 3: on the ball is on New England's thirty two Pats

2437
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:15,800
Speaker 3: are up seven zero. Ernie's note, good shot at our

2438
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:19,920
Speaker 3: offense of executing a screen pass. Let's show what the

2439
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:21,840
Speaker 3: O line does on the screen pass.

2440
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 1: And so this is you know, it's it's the first

2441
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:27,360
Speaker 1: and ten here, you know we've got time. It's the

2442
02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 1: end of the first half. It's not this is not

2443
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 1: desperation we have to score a touchdown. This is at

2444
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:36,120
Speaker 1: a minimum, though, we want to get in position where

2445
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:37,840
Speaker 1: Steve can kick a field goal for us.

2446
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,000
Speaker 2: So this is a situational going back to situation.

2447
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:42,240
Speaker 1: Well, we all we remember we will always work to

2448
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:45,680
Speaker 1: the two minute drive, but there's a difference two minutes

2449
02:04:45,680 --> 02:04:47,960
Speaker 1: at the end of a half two minutes at the

2450
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:49,640
Speaker 1: end of a game. I mean, if it's at the

2451
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 1: end of a game and you need a touchdown to

2452
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 1: win it, we gotta go. You gotta go. You're gonna

2453
02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:58,920
Speaker 1: be aggressive, You're gonna take some chances because if you

2454
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 1: know it's it's right now, do or die. If we

2455
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:03,000
Speaker 1: don't do it, the game is over. And then the

2456
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 1: first half it's very different. We would like to go

2457
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:09,080
Speaker 1: down and score and score, but we got half a

2458
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:11,800
Speaker 1: football to go. What we don't want to do is

2459
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 1: give the ball back to them with time. With time,

2460
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:15,640
Speaker 1: she's a little different.

2461
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:16,160
Speaker 2: Now.

2462
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,480
Speaker 1: The big thing before we get into this, so we've

2463
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:21,040
Speaker 1: got and so this is how we always want to

2464
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:22,560
Speaker 1: get the two minute drives started.

2465
02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:25,839
Speaker 3: Got to get it startarted, right, chunk play, get it started.

2466
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:28,920
Speaker 1: So so here we're going with the screen and the

2467
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:32,200
Speaker 1: big This is a great job by our alignment because

2468
02:05:33,080 --> 02:05:36,120
Speaker 1: offensive lineman on a screen a little bit. Like everybody,

2469
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:39,200
Speaker 1: they've got to have a sense of the coverage. Okay,

2470
02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:43,800
Speaker 1: we have man coverage, you have a cover linebacker. So

2471
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:47,640
Speaker 1: there's going to be a linebacker fairly close to the

2472
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage who's manned the man on your back,

2473
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:53,080
Speaker 1: and you got to get him blocked. You got to

2474
02:05:53,160 --> 02:05:56,240
Speaker 1: know that I may get man coverage. That's the cover linebacker.

2475
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:58,640
Speaker 1: We got to get him blocked. If they drop off

2476
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:02,520
Speaker 1: and play zone, it's easy. So always for an offensive

2477
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:06,000
Speaker 1: line thinking number one, I gotta I gotta cover linebacker

2478
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,200
Speaker 1: man man. I got to get him. If they zone,

2479
02:06:08,240 --> 02:06:11,120
Speaker 1: we react to it. Okay, So right here, we've got

2480
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:14,000
Speaker 1: a situation where they've got man coverage on our back.

2481
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 3: Let's watch it. So we got man coverage on our back.

2482
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:24,800
Speaker 1: See right there. So in this case it's Sorenson. He's

2483
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:27,720
Speaker 1: and you can see him. He's coming up to make

2484
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:31,360
Speaker 1: the play, and shock, he knows he's right there. Shocks,

2485
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:34,080
Speaker 1: he's just enough of him to get the screen started.

2486
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:37,840
Speaker 1: And because it's right here here comes starts up to

2487
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:41,760
Speaker 1: the back right there. That block that's and now everybody

2488
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:45,200
Speaker 1: else's man coverage. So you know the other defensive players

2489
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:47,720
Speaker 1: will run off and that's what that's what allows James

2490
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:51,560
Speaker 1: to get going upfield. But that's it's all the work

2491
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:54,360
Speaker 1: that Scar would do with the offensive line on screens,

2492
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, seeing what the defense is doing and knowing

2493
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,360
Speaker 1: when I got a linebacker right here, I got to

2494
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:00,200
Speaker 1: get him right now.

2495
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 2: People think that's easy.

2496
02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:05,560
Speaker 1: Right, Well, you're talking about you're talking about being out

2497
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 1: in space on a smaller, more athletic guy is not.

2498
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:13,400
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing you got to do as an alignment,

2499
02:07:13,600 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 1: You've got to anticipate this situation before the place starts.

2500
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:19,760
Speaker 1: It's not oh gude, what could happen here? I got

2501
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:20,959
Speaker 1: to look for the couple of linebackers.

2502
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:23,240
Speaker 3: So you have to be able to recognize as an

2503
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:26,960
Speaker 3: offensive lineman kind of the coverage.

2504
02:07:26,920 --> 02:07:31,040
Speaker 1: Right You're not necessarily to know what the safety is doing,

2505
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:34,080
Speaker 1: but you have to recognize this linebackers man, the man

2506
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:35,840
Speaker 1: on my back, he's going to be on him quick,

2507
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:37,120
Speaker 1: and I got to get him right now.

2508
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:39,200
Speaker 3: And that was the number one thing that whenever we

2509
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:42,880
Speaker 3: were installing our screens, the number one thing is you

2510
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:46,440
Speaker 3: have to get it started. There's always you know, maybe

2511
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:49,560
Speaker 3: an alignment comes up and he doesn't bite on it.

2512
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:52,120
Speaker 3: One of the offensive linemen we're assigned. Well, you got

2513
02:07:52,120 --> 02:07:52,879
Speaker 3: to get it started.

2514
02:07:53,480 --> 02:07:57,600
Speaker 1: And another thing on a screen. As an offense, you've

2515
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 1: got to be an act. The offense has to be

2516
02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:03,640
Speaker 1: active on the screen. You've got to make the defense think, hey,

2517
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:05,920
Speaker 1: this is just a regular pass. I gotta get the

2518
02:08:05,960 --> 02:08:08,879
Speaker 1: ball rushing upfield. You want to get the lineman rushing

2519
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:12,280
Speaker 1: by you. You let them go and then you're out

2520
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:15,760
Speaker 1: in the screen. While so this is uh, you know,

2521
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 1: what's the old time coaches would say, you know, they

2522
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:23,560
Speaker 1: screens and draws labeled together. They call them the deceptives. Okay,

2523
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: you've got to be actors.

2524
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:28,800
Speaker 2: We know he's on double moves or stuff like this.

2525
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 3: I'd always hear Brady give a reminder, p Gino, But Gino,

2526
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:39,120
Speaker 3: you gotta be good actor, good actor, actor awesome.

2527
02:08:39,160 --> 02:08:42,520
Speaker 4: And this just to clarify this situation. This led to

2528
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 4: the Phillip dor Set touchdown. Patriots go up fourteen to

2529
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:46,200
Speaker 4: nothing at the half.

2530
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:49,200
Speaker 1: But this, but this is this is the start of

2531
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:52,680
Speaker 1: the two minute drive. Without getting this going, we're not

2532
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:54,000
Speaker 1: going to hit the doors set on the out.

2533
02:08:56,360 --> 02:08:59,840
Speaker 3: I mean this is you know, whenever we would go

2534
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:04,000
Speaker 3: in to a two minute situation install there were three keys.

2535
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:07,720
Speaker 2: One of the keys was you have to get it started.

2536
02:09:08,200 --> 02:09:10,000
Speaker 3: The other one was you always had to get a

2537
02:09:10,080 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 3: chunk play, chunk play being twenty five yards or something

2538
02:09:13,720 --> 02:09:15,880
Speaker 3: or a fifteen yard run. Uh.

2539
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 2: And the third one was always trying to come out

2540
02:09:18,200 --> 02:09:18,839
Speaker 2: with some points.

2541
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:19,200
Speaker 1: Right.

2542
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:22,080
Speaker 2: Those were the three main things. Those were the keys.

2543
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:24,440
Speaker 3: The play. You had to get it started. You don't

2544
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:27,120
Speaker 3: want to start the drive off with, you know, a

2545
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:30,560
Speaker 3: slaptick throw. You throw it in bounds, the guy gets

2546
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:32,760
Speaker 3: tackled in bounds, you have to waste the time out.

2547
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:37,680
Speaker 3: And this goes back into the situational football category of

2548
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:41,560
Speaker 3: what we were taught throughout the week, throughout the installs

2549
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:45,000
Speaker 3: for us to be prepared for this specific situation, right.

2550
02:09:45,120 --> 02:09:49,880
Speaker 1: And you know, and the other thing over particularly end

2551
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:52,080
Speaker 1: of the game, when the game is really on the line,

2552
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,680
Speaker 1: you gotta play your best football right there, when you

2553
02:09:55,680 --> 02:10:00,480
Speaker 1: know the clocks against you, you're tired, gotta play your

2554
02:10:00,480 --> 02:10:01,120
Speaker 1: best football.

2555
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:07,360
Speaker 3: Next play, minute thirty three in the third quarter. The

2556
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:11,080
Speaker 3: down in distance is third and two. Ball is on

2557
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:14,400
Speaker 3: the Kansas City forty four yard line. The Pats are

2558
02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:19,200
Speaker 3: up seventeen to seven. Kansas City's ball What do we

2559
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:19,680
Speaker 3: got to earn.

2560
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:25,080
Speaker 1: So to me, this is where this game and here

2561
02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:29,080
Speaker 1: we are, late third quarter, kind of everything's under control,

2562
02:10:29,240 --> 02:10:31,480
Speaker 1: and this is the play where it's all hell started

2563
02:10:31,480 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 1: the break loose. Okay, because what we've got here, We've

2564
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:39,040
Speaker 1: got a blitz coming Mahomes, he's got an unblocked he's

2565
02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:42,880
Speaker 1: got clayboard, unblocked, defensive lineman coming right in his face.

2566
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:47,400
Speaker 1: No panic in the football. Makes an incredible throw kind

2567
02:10:47,400 --> 02:10:49,200
Speaker 1: of through it under clayboard. I mean, how did you

2568
02:10:49,560 --> 02:10:51,680
Speaker 1: I remember during the game, I'm w how the hell

2569
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:54,080
Speaker 1: did he do that kind of through it under clayboards

2570
02:10:54,280 --> 02:10:57,680
Speaker 1: for completion? You know? That got them going. Then they

2571
02:10:57,720 --> 02:11:00,160
Speaker 1: come back. You hit the wheel down the sidelines, and

2572
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,920
Speaker 1: this this is where it went from being you know,

2573
02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:05,320
Speaker 1: kind of a control of football to be an NBA

2574
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:08,520
Speaker 1: basketball and everybody start running up and down the field

2575
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:11,160
Speaker 1: making plays all over the place, and started right here.

2576
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 2: So this was the.

2577
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:16,200
Speaker 1: Right because okay, let's just take a look here, it's

2578
02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:18,960
Speaker 1: third and two. The Chiefs got the ball in their

2579
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:22,040
Speaker 1: own territory. Well, let's just say Mames, he can't make

2580
02:11:22,080 --> 02:11:24,360
Speaker 1: the completion, has to throw it away. Now it's going

2581
02:11:24,440 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 1: to be fourth and two. Now they got a big

2582
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:28,760
Speaker 1: decision to make. You know, are they gonna go for

2583
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:30,640
Speaker 1: it here in their own territory? Are they gonna put

2584
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:31,160
Speaker 1: it to us?

2585
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,040
Speaker 3: So this is kind of like the little Dutchman when

2586
02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:38,120
Speaker 3: he puts his finger in the levee and then another

2587
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:41,920
Speaker 3: whole breaks.

2588
02:11:43,400 --> 02:11:44,520
Speaker 2: You think he detected it.

2589
02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 1: So you can see it freaking free right there. So

2590
02:11:47,320 --> 02:11:50,440
Speaker 1: you can see right here, look at those defensive backs.

2591
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know you can see they might

2592
02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:56,760
Speaker 1: we might as well be holding up aside. Hey we're blitzing. Okay,

2593
02:11:56,760 --> 02:12:01,000
Speaker 1: it's man coverage straight across the board, this classic blitz.

2594
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:06,720
Speaker 1: Look for a quarterback, they should.

2595
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:10,200
Speaker 4: He is able to get that right around.

2596
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:14,360
Speaker 2: I believe his height, tower arm aingle arm angle.

2597
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean this is like a submarine ning. Yeah, this is.

2598
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:21,440
Speaker 1: And that's a that's a three hundred pound guy coming

2599
02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:24,560
Speaker 1: at you unblocked, who's got his who's aiming right for

2600
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 1: the middle of your chest to still get that ball off. Nope,

2601
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 1: he knows he's going to get the crap knocked out

2602
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 1: of him too. Just stand in there, make the throw.

2603
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:38,360
Speaker 2: Be ready to you know, Patrick Mahomes.

2604
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:40,839
Speaker 1: Getting how to run the next play. I mean that

2605
02:12:40,840 --> 02:12:42,960
Speaker 1: that's about his big thing. You know, you talk about

2606
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:46,440
Speaker 1: a tough guy playing quarterback. I mean, you're just gonna

2607
02:12:46,440 --> 02:12:50,240
Speaker 1: stand at that. You're gonna get killed, but you got

2608
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:51,080
Speaker 1: to make the completion.

2609
02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 3: That's the play that you can't evaluate when you're looking

2610
02:12:56,240 --> 02:13:00,760
Speaker 3: at a NFL quarterback coming out, throwing in T shirts,

2611
02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:05,600
Speaker 3: throwing in shorts, watching them play against Louisiana Lafayette Tech

2612
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:10,120
Speaker 3: School of the South, you know, that's what you can't evaluate.

2613
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:12,680
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be so now you know I'm not

2614
02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:15,920
Speaker 1: working for any team. I'll tell you that that's the

2615
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:18,520
Speaker 1: play right there. If you remember, if you watched the

2616
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:22,800
Speaker 1: Patriots last season, similar kind of situations happens to Mac

2617
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:25,400
Speaker 1: Jones at that game over in Germany. He's got the

2618
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:27,840
Speaker 1: guy coming out and he panicks with the ball and

2619
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 1: it was a terrible interception. I mean, and that's that's that.

2620
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:34,280
Speaker 1: You know, that's the difference right there. He panicked with

2621
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:35,360
Speaker 1: the football.

2622
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:38,600
Speaker 3: And you know, the quarterbacks like he knew he was hot,

2623
02:13:38,680 --> 02:13:42,200
Speaker 3: he knew there was an unblocked guy. But it's about

2624
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:45,120
Speaker 3: being able to execute in the situation, because if you

2625
02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:48,160
Speaker 3: can do it once, the team's not gonna blitch you again.

2626
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:52,080
Speaker 3: But if if you Mac Jones throw, you're getting it

2627
02:13:52,120 --> 02:13:54,320
Speaker 3: all night. Yep, you're getting it all.

2628
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:58,320
Speaker 1: Right, and you're you know exactly you're gonna get.

2629
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,120
Speaker 3: For any other rookie or any other quarterback. It's not

2630
02:14:01,160 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 3: just Mac Jones.

2631
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:02,480
Speaker 2: I don't want everyone.

2632
02:14:03,120 --> 02:14:07,000
Speaker 1: But so this, I mean, this past year they're playing,

2633
02:14:07,160 --> 02:14:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, the Chiefs are playing the divisional playoff game

2634
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:13,280
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins, and the Dolphins they decided they came

2635
02:14:13,320 --> 02:14:16,160
Speaker 1: after them and there was guys coming free all night

2636
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 1: and they just they just standing there makes a throw.

2637
02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's in the pivotal plays and so

2638
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:28,000
Speaker 3: like so now it goes from being you know there

2639
02:14:28,160 --> 02:14:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, a third and one their side on their

2640
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:30,840
Speaker 3: side of the field.

2641
02:14:31,200 --> 02:14:35,520
Speaker 1: Now they're got first intended you know, on our end,

2642
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:37,400
Speaker 1: and they can open up to hit a wheel and

2643
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:40,120
Speaker 1: you know it's and then but I say, this was

2644
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:40,880
Speaker 1: really okay.

2645
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:42,360
Speaker 2: You know, So this is the ot.

2646
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:44,560
Speaker 3: This is We're gonna have a chunk of plays in

2647
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:50,440
Speaker 3: these last one pivotal plays, situations or plays in depth

2648
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:54,840
Speaker 3: for the viewer. UH in overtime, we have the first

2649
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:58,200
Speaker 3: play first in UH and just to.

2650
02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:01,240
Speaker 1: Just to set the scene here, you know, these are

2651
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:03,960
Speaker 1: these are you know, third nine where if we don't

2652
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:07,200
Speaker 1: pick this up, we kind of got a punt and

2653
02:15:07,240 --> 02:15:10,040
Speaker 1: now not only does Mahomes have the ball, but we've

2654
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:12,680
Speaker 1: had our possession, so they can win with a field goal.

2655
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:14,320
Speaker 2: So these are big.

2656
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:16,360
Speaker 1: So so these are like you know, we you know

2657
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:21,080
Speaker 1: everything every This is truly everything's on the line here.

2658
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:22,760
Speaker 1: It's not like third down in the middle of the

2659
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:26,400
Speaker 1: fresh quartery okay, keep playing this. This is like what

2660
02:15:26,600 --> 02:15:30,600
Speaker 1: we always talked about gotta have it. This defines you know,

2661
02:15:30,640 --> 02:15:34,080
Speaker 1: I gotta have it. We either get this or the

2662
02:15:34,160 --> 02:15:37,800
Speaker 1: whole complexity of the game just changes instantly.

2663
02:15:37,320 --> 02:15:38,200
Speaker 2: For the listener.

2664
02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:41,920
Speaker 3: Gotta have it is an actual situation where you know,

2665
02:15:42,160 --> 02:15:45,160
Speaker 3: this is a gotta have it situation. It usually comes

2666
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:48,840
Speaker 3: down to a play where it's going to influence the

2667
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:51,240
Speaker 3: whole game. It could be a four point play, which

2668
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:53,080
Speaker 3: is a third down in the red area that's a

2669
02:15:53,080 --> 02:15:55,240
Speaker 3: gotta have it play where you have to or a

2670
02:15:55,280 --> 02:15:58,640
Speaker 3: fourth down where you need to get games on the line,

2671
02:15:58,680 --> 02:16:01,760
Speaker 3: that's gotta have it. And so you would study gotta

2672
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:05,920
Speaker 3: have it plays by the defense and gotta have it situations.

2673
02:16:06,280 --> 02:16:08,200
Speaker 3: So like as a as a route runner, when I'm

2674
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:11,200
Speaker 3: watching this play, and we're seeing the looks that they're

2675
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:11,760
Speaker 3: giving us.

2676
02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:13,120
Speaker 2: We've already kind of.

2677
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:17,000
Speaker 3: Seen what the Chiefs love to do in this situation

2678
02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:19,760
Speaker 3: when it was neut cutting time, so you can kind

2679
02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:22,160
Speaker 3: of have a sense of, well, there's probably like a

2680
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:24,800
Speaker 3: seventy percent chance that we're going to get this covered.

2681
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:29,480
Speaker 1: And then and then we would have specific times in

2682
02:16:29,560 --> 02:16:33,119
Speaker 1: practice where we would have this. We would tell everybody,

2683
02:16:33,240 --> 02:16:36,000
Speaker 1: Bill would stand out there, this is a gotta have

2684
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:39,200
Speaker 1: its situation. We would, you know, in fact, we create

2685
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 1: it down. You know, it's third and nine, it's too minutes.

2686
02:16:42,400 --> 02:16:44,640
Speaker 1: This is gotta have it, you know, to try to

2687
02:16:44,760 --> 02:16:47,039
Speaker 1: raise you know, the attention where this is just not

2688
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:48,760
Speaker 1: another random play.

2689
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:49,360
Speaker 2: Without a doubt.

2690
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:52,200
Speaker 3: So the first one, it's third and nine, balls on

2691
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:55,959
Speaker 3: New England's thirty five yard line. Let's watch the play.

2692
02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:59,920
Speaker 3: So we're coming in motion. We see we have man coverage.

2693
02:17:00,760 --> 02:17:01,800
Speaker 3: They mess it up.

2694
02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:05,240
Speaker 1: They mess up, but yeah, it's still a little mess up.

2695
02:17:05,400 --> 02:17:07,959
Speaker 1: You get that one step, that's what we're that's what

2696
02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:11,800
Speaker 1: we're looking for. You get a step here. It's it's crucial.

2697
02:17:12,040 --> 02:17:14,320
Speaker 1: You're not going to get seven steps. No, you're just

2698
02:17:14,360 --> 02:17:17,039
Speaker 1: trying to just get enough so that Tom's got a chance,

2699
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, to get the ball in there and keep

2700
02:17:18,440 --> 02:17:19,760
Speaker 1: the skip the change moving.

2701
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,800
Speaker 3: So when I'm watching this with the motion, you do

2702
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:24,960
Speaker 3: a lot of these kind of motions in these specific

2703
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:29,720
Speaker 3: situations because it creates traffic, It creates communication for the defense,

2704
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:33,560
Speaker 3: the line, the two defensive backs, they had to communicate.

2705
02:17:33,560 --> 02:17:37,160
Speaker 3: You see, they didn't communicate, so you go play the play.

2706
02:17:37,480 --> 02:17:40,560
Speaker 3: So they didn't communicate, they mess up the communication. So

2707
02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:43,880
Speaker 3: I say, Tom, give me ball right now. Tom sees

2708
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,440
Speaker 3: it before I see it, and he's looking to throw

2709
02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:49,560
Speaker 3: it right away. That's from just reps of reps of

2710
02:17:49,720 --> 02:17:52,520
Speaker 3: working together, and you know, we're able to get a

2711
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:55,039
Speaker 3: third and nine, which you know, third and nine is tough,

2712
02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:56,600
Speaker 3: especially in this situation.

2713
02:17:56,680 --> 02:17:59,600
Speaker 1: In this situation, like I say, yeah, I mean, in

2714
02:17:59,680 --> 02:18:02,000
Speaker 1: the back your mind when you're running this play, it's

2715
02:18:02,040 --> 02:18:05,000
Speaker 1: thirty nine. And if we don't get it, like I say,

2716
02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:08,000
Speaker 1: Mahomes just got it, you know, probably in a pretty

2717
02:18:08,040 --> 02:18:10,120
Speaker 1: decent field position, and he can win it with a

2718
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:15,120
Speaker 1: field goal exactly. So I mean this is you know,

2719
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:18,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, look, so so we go. They scored.

2720
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:20,959
Speaker 1: They kicked the field goal at the end of regulation

2721
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:24,560
Speaker 1: and tie at thirty one. So you know, we obviously

2722
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:27,600
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're going and you know Bill says, okay,

2723
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:30,480
Speaker 1: what do you want to do And a lot of times,

2724
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, Bill in his heart is a defensive coach.

2725
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 1: He Bill loves, you know, get a stop on defense

2726
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:39,400
Speaker 1: and then put us in a situation where we can

2727
02:18:39,440 --> 02:18:42,000
Speaker 1: win it with it, you know, the field goal. But

2728
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:44,840
Speaker 1: this is when okay, we just saw all hell break

2729
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:48,120
Speaker 1: loose in the fourth quarter. It's Brady and Mahomes. You know,

2730
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to be the guy that's got the ball first.

2731
02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:54,800
Speaker 1: But you know, okay, we get the ball first, you know,

2732
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:57,880
Speaker 1: we got to go. If we punt, we're you know,

2733
02:18:58,160 --> 02:18:59,400
Speaker 1: we're probably going to lose the game.

2734
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:02,240
Speaker 3: Here, did that third and two that we already discussed

2735
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:04,199
Speaker 3: with Patrick Mahomes doing that unchangle?

2736
02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:07,920
Speaker 2: Did that? Well the flood coming to this decision to

2737
02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean.

2738
02:19:09,320 --> 02:19:11,160
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you know, you're watching the gain.

2739
02:19:11,240 --> 02:19:13,040
Speaker 1: Both teams are taking the ball up, and I mean,

2740
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:15,640
Speaker 1: because they go ahead, we we you know, we we

2741
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:17,600
Speaker 1: had the big drive to you know, to go take

2742
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:20,200
Speaker 1: the league twenty eight twenty four. I mean, this is

2743
02:19:20,320 --> 02:19:22,959
Speaker 1: you know, your we're watching a track meet. Yeah, So

2744
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean you know, it's not like this is uh,

2745
02:19:27,640 --> 02:19:30,440
Speaker 1: you know there's some drive blinding snow Summers is three

2746
02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:35,080
Speaker 1: and nothing game. You know, you're like the Denver game

2747
02:19:35,320 --> 02:19:38,160
Speaker 1: against Peyton Manning where we took the wind. Well, it's

2748
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:41,560
Speaker 1: a big time, you know. You know the conditions dictated

2749
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:45,000
Speaker 1: this game was dictating is you know, nobody can play

2750
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:45,959
Speaker 1: defense anymore.

2751
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:47,800
Speaker 2: Exactly, non play defense.

2752
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:52,039
Speaker 3: So the second time on this drive down in distance

2753
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:57,000
Speaker 3: third and ten, let's watch the play, so once again

2754
02:19:57,000 --> 02:20:03,160
Speaker 3: we're running the same play. Now they communicated it and

2755
02:20:03,320 --> 02:20:05,200
Speaker 3: I just got a cross because they had a they

2756
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:07,879
Speaker 3: had a thief robber the safety who was real high.

2757
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,119
Speaker 3: So usually my debt is supposed to be a little deeper,

2758
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:14,000
Speaker 3: but I saw all game that Sorensen was you see

2759
02:20:14,040 --> 02:20:16,000
Speaker 3: him are They played.

2760
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:17,200
Speaker 2: A cover five right there?

2761
02:20:16,840 --> 02:20:16,960
Speaker 1: Right?

2762
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:20,200
Speaker 3: So they played cover five. Well, usually they would have

2763
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:22,000
Speaker 3: a guy waiting for you. So we were trying to

2764
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:25,440
Speaker 3: mess up our debts. But you know we ran the

2765
02:20:25,480 --> 02:20:28,480
Speaker 3: exact same play. Would you say that we are a

2766
02:20:28,520 --> 02:20:30,520
Speaker 3: repeat team in this situation?

2767
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:36,440
Speaker 1: You know what? It's the philosophy we always had was

2768
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:39,119
Speaker 1: when it gets down, the true goutt to have it,

2769
02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:42,039
Speaker 1: get your best players on your best play. I mean,

2770
02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, if we're gonna lose it, you know, that's

2771
02:20:44,879 --> 02:20:47,600
Speaker 1: our best chance. If we don't want to run something

2772
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:50,200
Speaker 1: we don't really know, we're not familiar with. Oh we

2773
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,240
Speaker 1: didn't work, but oh yeah, we can go practice it

2774
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:54,480
Speaker 1: next week. There is no next week. Go with your

2775
02:20:54,480 --> 02:20:56,520
Speaker 1: best when it's on the line, and go with your

2776
02:20:56,520 --> 02:21:00,800
Speaker 1: best stuff. And that's I think it's some you know.

2777
02:21:00,959 --> 02:21:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean every coach and every player really knows. We

2778
02:21:03,959 --> 02:21:06,360
Speaker 1: try to change up our looks and be deceptive, but

2779
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:09,160
Speaker 1: when it counts, we're going with what we do.

2780
02:21:09,360 --> 02:21:11,680
Speaker 3: When you're when you see in the press box it's

2781
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:13,560
Speaker 3: cover five and we have this, are you like we

2782
02:21:13,640 --> 02:21:14,000
Speaker 3: got it?

2783
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, thank you? I mean, you know, I'll be

2784
02:21:19,640 --> 02:21:22,960
Speaker 1: my thoughts here was he's you know, and I've known

2785
02:21:22,959 --> 02:21:25,800
Speaker 1: Bob Shutton for you know, close to forty years, and

2786
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:27,760
Speaker 1: you know he's a friend of mine. But when you

2787
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:31,720
Speaker 1: and Rob, the one thing you don't do against our

2788
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:34,440
Speaker 1: team is open up the middle of the field. I mean,

2789
02:21:34,480 --> 02:21:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to you know, hey, great, make

2790
02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:39,480
Speaker 1: them if Brady can hit it, you know, can hit

2791
02:21:39,480 --> 02:21:41,400
Speaker 1: Philip to our set on an eighteen yard come back,

2792
02:21:41,440 --> 02:21:43,400
Speaker 1: you'll find But I'm not going to give up the

2793
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, we're an inside passing team. I always have been.

2794
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up the inside of the field.

2795
02:21:48,760 --> 02:21:50,800
Speaker 5: Can I just interject for a second two from the

2796
02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:53,840
Speaker 5: fan layman perspective, You guys are having a very high level,

2797
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:57,840
Speaker 5: kind of chess level conversations with strategy and scouting on

2798
02:21:57,879 --> 02:22:01,080
Speaker 5: what goes on here. I'm still how to make the throw,

2799
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:03,200
Speaker 5: the lines that will make the blocks. Jewels still have

2800
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:05,840
Speaker 5: to make the catch too, So that combination of high

2801
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:07,199
Speaker 5: level and execution.

2802
02:22:06,920 --> 02:22:09,640
Speaker 1: Is just it. It's total. But I mean, this is

2803
02:22:09,720 --> 02:22:12,680
Speaker 1: this is the this is championship football. This is this

2804
02:22:12,760 --> 02:22:16,280
Speaker 1: is every player has got to execute likes just hey,

2805
02:22:16,320 --> 02:22:18,879
Speaker 1: I mean if the left tackle gets a bad set

2806
02:22:18,920 --> 02:22:21,360
Speaker 1: on his pass protection, they get the edge on him.

2807
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, he can mess up to Tim's throw. I

2808
02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:26,280
Speaker 1: mean this is a total team You know that this

2809
02:22:26,360 --> 02:22:30,040
Speaker 1: is a total team game. You know, a true guy

2810
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:34,280
Speaker 1: to have a championship level football against good NFL, really

2811
02:22:34,360 --> 02:22:37,080
Speaker 1: good NFL players. I mean, this is why tens of

2812
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:39,600
Speaker 1: millions of people want to watch these games on TV.

2813
02:22:39,959 --> 02:22:42,320
Speaker 1: They and these are gifted people doing you know, doing

2814
02:22:42,360 --> 02:22:45,640
Speaker 1: something that's really hard. This stuff is hard.

2815
02:22:45,879 --> 02:22:46,720
Speaker 4: That's why we love it.

2816
02:22:47,240 --> 02:22:48,000
Speaker 2: That's why we love it.

2817
02:22:48,040 --> 02:22:52,160
Speaker 3: And let's cap it off with the last third and

2818
02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:54,840
Speaker 3: ten on the same exact drive in overtime in the

2819
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:59,400
Speaker 3: AFC Championship in Arrowhead to go to the Super Bowl.

2820
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:02,760
Speaker 2: Third in ten. What are the statistics usually you got

2821
02:23:02,760 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 2: in a third and ten?

2822
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:07,400
Speaker 1: You know, even for a good team. I mean, if

2823
02:23:07,440 --> 02:23:10,360
Speaker 1: you can pick this up, you know forty of the time.

2824
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're really good on a third and ten

2825
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:16,359
Speaker 3: is really a phenomenal.

2826
02:23:16,520 --> 02:23:17,680
Speaker 2: It's usually about fifteen.

2827
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but I mean when you start, it's fifteen

2828
02:23:21,080 --> 02:23:23,080
Speaker 1: if you take all the teams. It's all better if

2829
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:24,440
Speaker 1: you got the good teams.

2830
02:23:25,480 --> 02:23:28,480
Speaker 2: All right, So let's let's watch this play. So break

2831
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 2: down this play ern.

2832
02:23:30,120 --> 02:23:32,520
Speaker 1: So now we have and this is you know, so

2833
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:34,680
Speaker 1: you got Rob and we go he's a blocker and

2834
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:38,120
Speaker 1: all that. Here we got to split out. He's he's

2835
02:23:38,120 --> 02:23:40,960
Speaker 1: playing wide receiver. Here come here, run you know, run,

2836
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, run the receiver route.

2837
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:47,440
Speaker 2: And so speed releases. Again that's a corner.

2838
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:51,520
Speaker 1: That's a corner. But you know, I mean, so the

2839
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:53,840
Speaker 1: corner has got a speed edge. Rob has a size

2840
02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:54,840
Speaker 1: and strength edge.

2841
02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:58,080
Speaker 3: And right here, if you saw because of the last

2842
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:01,560
Speaker 3: two third downs, Sorensen's trying to come down and you know,

2843
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:05,480
Speaker 3: rob it and it looks over. He's being attentive to it.

2844
02:24:05,640 --> 02:24:08,240
Speaker 1: And this is why now to get in, you know,

2845
02:24:08,360 --> 02:24:10,880
Speaker 1: to take it to the next level. This is why

2846
02:24:11,400 --> 02:24:16,760
Speaker 1: for twenty years we always coach Tom every play. You

2847
02:24:16,840 --> 02:24:20,320
Speaker 1: have got to see both safeties. You have got to

2848
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:25,080
Speaker 1: know what the safeties are doing. There is no no,

2849
02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:27,880
Speaker 1: no way around that for a quarterback. So here he

2850
02:24:28,360 --> 02:24:30,760
Speaker 1: can see exactly you know what we got going up

2851
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:33,520
Speaker 1: on top. They're coming over. They're look because we've just

2852
02:24:33,600 --> 02:24:36,040
Speaker 1: beaten them on two plays coming from the strong side,

2853
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:38,840
Speaker 1: so they're looking for that boom go right behind them.

2854
02:24:38,879 --> 02:24:41,200
Speaker 1: But this is again we talked about. This is this

2855
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:45,039
Speaker 1: is the quarterback you know, driving the Formula one race car,

2856
02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:47,560
Speaker 1: see it and throw it. It's not see it process

2857
02:24:47,640 --> 02:24:49,200
Speaker 1: to think about it. Then it's too late.

2858
02:24:49,440 --> 02:24:53,160
Speaker 3: And for offensive players and people that have to read coverage,

2859
02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:57,800
Speaker 3: you can never look at a corner and say and

2860
02:24:57,879 --> 02:25:01,240
Speaker 3: determine the coverage because the corner can lie, they can cheat,

2861
02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:04,880
Speaker 3: they can they can press bail, they can trap.

2862
02:25:05,320 --> 02:25:07,199
Speaker 2: What you have to do is you have to watch

2863
02:25:07,440 --> 02:25:08,000
Speaker 2: the safety.

2864
02:25:08,120 --> 02:25:12,600
Speaker 3: So Tom's sitting here seeing Sorenson deep high right, so

2865
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:16,000
Speaker 3: he's trying to give him a like a split safety look.

2866
02:25:16,320 --> 02:25:18,960
Speaker 3: So there's two there's two plays within the play when

2867
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:22,120
Speaker 3: you're being a quarterback. There's a pre snap and then

2868
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:25,359
Speaker 3: there's the post snap. The post snap. If you see Sorenson,

2869
02:25:25,440 --> 02:25:27,560
Speaker 3: all he does is take a look at me. But

2870
02:25:27,640 --> 02:25:31,920
Speaker 3: Tom sees that. Tom recognizes that he's probably helping on

2871
02:25:31,959 --> 02:25:34,240
Speaker 3: the crosser that we hit him two times before in

2872
02:25:34,280 --> 02:25:36,680
Speaker 3: the third and tens. And so that's when he goes

2873
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:39,200
Speaker 3: and flips his eyes like a NASCAR driver or a

2874
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:42,560
Speaker 3: Formula One driver and slings it to Gronk. And I mean,

2875
02:25:42,600 --> 02:25:45,280
Speaker 3: this is he's only three yards away from him.

2876
02:25:45,440 --> 02:25:46,760
Speaker 1: Rights.

2877
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:49,480
Speaker 2: How fast it has to the processing right?

2878
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a couple of steps. That's about

2879
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:53,720
Speaker 1: all you get.

2880
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:56,920
Speaker 3: This is open in the National Football League, right, That's

2881
02:25:56,959 --> 02:25:57,920
Speaker 3: how it goes.

2882
02:26:00,520 --> 02:26:01,720
Speaker 1: You a anyone's tried to.

2883
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:02,680
Speaker 2: Play action earlier.

2884
02:26:02,680 --> 02:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I can't see it here. If this has to be

2885
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:05,160
Speaker 1: a run second and.

2886
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:15,039
Speaker 3: Gold, Mono Imano, James Devlin, Rexburg, Cat Cannon, Andrew's jack here.

2887
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:18,680
Speaker 3: I mean, whenever you want to see a play like that,

2888
02:26:18,760 --> 02:26:20,920
Speaker 3: a short yardage play, you always want to see the

2889
02:26:20,959 --> 02:26:23,560
Speaker 3: offensive line in the defensive line. Where is the line

2890
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:29,280
Speaker 3: of scrimmage? Slow, moe it go watch where the line

2891
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:34,439
Speaker 3: of scrimmage is established? Pad level stalemate?

2892
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:38,039
Speaker 1: Look at and what you really want because you've got

2893
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:42,960
Speaker 1: the defensive guys, the offensive guys, and where that football is.

2894
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking before the snap. The football is called the

2895
02:26:45,800 --> 02:26:46,400
Speaker 1: neutral zone.

2896
02:26:46,400 --> 02:26:47,040
Speaker 2: Neutral zone.

2897
02:26:47,240 --> 02:26:49,880
Speaker 1: Neither team can be in the neutral zone. But what

2898
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:53,800
Speaker 1: you want as an offensive team, or is a defensive

2899
02:26:53,800 --> 02:26:55,840
Speaker 1: team for that matter, you want to be the ones

2900
02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:59,640
Speaker 1: vacate your feet into the neutral zone. So this is

2901
02:26:59,640 --> 02:27:03,039
Speaker 1: what we're talking like, you know, a short, short distance.

2902
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:06,600
Speaker 1: But the difference between getting your feet into the neutral

2903
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:08,800
Speaker 1: zone or having the other team get their feet in

2904
02:27:09,320 --> 02:27:11,400
Speaker 1: is the difference between having a good play and.

2905
02:27:11,360 --> 02:27:13,960
Speaker 2: Getting stuffed, difference in going to the Super Bowl.

2906
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:18,440
Speaker 1: Not right, There's one other part of this game that

2907
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:19,760
Speaker 1: I want to remind you.

2908
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:20,760
Speaker 2: Of, which one you got?

2909
02:27:21,240 --> 02:27:24,680
Speaker 1: Okay, of course we get on we now we we

2910
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:26,920
Speaker 1: kind of we got gypped. We didn't get to have

2911
02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:31,320
Speaker 1: the uh the trophy ceremony on the field. That would

2912
02:27:31,360 --> 02:27:34,400
Speaker 1: have been epic to have that ceremony in Arrowhead.

2913
02:27:34,480 --> 02:27:35,200
Speaker 2: Why did we have it?

2914
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:39,600
Speaker 1: We got gypped. That's that's that's my theory because if

2915
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:42,480
Speaker 1: they because in fact, because if they if they'd won

2916
02:27:42,560 --> 02:27:43,879
Speaker 1: the game, they were going to have it out in

2917
02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:47,800
Speaker 1: the field, then there's and we had that twice in Pittsburgh.

2918
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:51,320
Speaker 1: That's good. You're sitting there's maybe five hundred of your fans.

2919
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:54,920
Speaker 1: The stadium's empty, it's in their colors. Hey, we're going

2920
02:27:54,920 --> 02:27:58,119
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. The rest of you see you. Uh.

2921
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, we go through out in the locker room,

2922
02:28:01,160 --> 02:28:03,560
Speaker 1: we have the great plane ride home, and then what

2923
02:28:03,720 --> 02:28:09,560
Speaker 1: happened We get back to Gillette Stadium. Everybody's car there's

2924
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:13,520
Speaker 1: like an inch thick solid. We're all out there trying

2925
02:28:13,520 --> 02:28:15,760
Speaker 1: to chip ice. And I'm gonna tell you, if we

2926
02:28:15,959 --> 02:28:22,520
Speaker 1: lost that one, are really sucked. Okay, but but we're

2927
02:28:22,520 --> 02:28:25,879
Speaker 1: trying to Nobody could get their car doors because.

2928
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:28,520
Speaker 3: What they did was they they took all this There

2929
02:28:28,520 --> 02:28:30,760
Speaker 3: was a huge snowstorm, so they took the snow off

2930
02:28:30,840 --> 02:28:34,760
Speaker 3: because but because the cars were warm and they got warmer,

2931
02:28:35,480 --> 02:28:38,240
Speaker 3: there was like a little layer of water that went

2932
02:28:38,280 --> 02:28:42,000
Speaker 3: over and it froze all the cars shut. So you're

2933
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:45,039
Speaker 3: sitting there, everyone's all hyped. After we're going to the

2934
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:45,760
Speaker 3: super Bowl.

2935
02:28:46,400 --> 02:28:48,640
Speaker 2: It one got out of the forty five minutes.

2936
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:52,000
Speaker 1: It's three o'clock in the morning. We're not trying. We're

2937
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:56,360
Speaker 1: trying to chip Ice, Okay, you know, and I got

2938
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:58,360
Speaker 1: my I mean, you know, I'm in New Englander. I

2939
02:28:58,400 --> 02:29:00,600
Speaker 1: got my snow remove of stuff in the car. I'll

2940
02:29:00,600 --> 02:29:03,760
Speaker 1: be able to just get my scraper, no chance, you know.

2941
02:29:04,200 --> 02:29:07,040
Speaker 1: I'll try to use a key to try, you know, Chip,

2942
02:29:07,400 --> 02:29:10,240
Speaker 1: use your keys car key to chip Ice. You know,

2943
02:29:10,320 --> 02:29:12,119
Speaker 1: if three in the morning.

2944
02:29:11,879 --> 02:29:13,160
Speaker 2: You forgot about.

2945
02:29:14,400 --> 02:29:17,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god, God, let's score this thing real quick.

2946
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:24,440
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this quick break. All right,

2947
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:26,040
Speaker 3: the name of the game.

2948
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:28,120
Speaker 1: What do you uh?

2949
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:31,440
Speaker 2: What do you like here, Ernie? There's this super Blood

2950
02:29:31,640 --> 02:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Wolf Moon game.

2951
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:36,480
Speaker 1: There was a full moon on the broadcast. There was

2952
02:29:36,520 --> 02:29:38,320
Speaker 1: a great shot. You know, they made a reference.

2953
02:29:38,400 --> 02:29:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was like you want to keep that?

2954
02:29:40,560 --> 02:29:43,720
Speaker 3: Or there was the Dynasty Lives On game, the d

2955
02:29:43,959 --> 02:29:44,879
Speaker 3: Ford game.

2956
02:29:45,280 --> 02:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Super Blood Wolf okay, super Blood Wolf game.

2957
02:29:49,120 --> 02:29:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Steaks?

2958
02:29:50,680 --> 02:29:53,080
Speaker 3: Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score

2959
02:29:53,120 --> 02:29:56,360
Speaker 3: it Steaks zero to ten decimals?

2960
02:29:56,400 --> 02:29:58,200
Speaker 2: Okay, Ernie, h.

2961
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:03,240
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's the greatest AFC championship.

2962
02:30:03,280 --> 02:30:06,440
Speaker 3: We get We played in a game, definitely for me,

2963
02:30:06,520 --> 02:30:10,760
Speaker 3: it was number. What is your score? This is one

2964
02:30:10,840 --> 02:30:12,600
Speaker 3: to ten, one to ten decimals.

2965
02:30:12,600 --> 02:30:15,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll go nine point five because we sucked off

2966
02:30:15,800 --> 02:30:18,519
Speaker 1: a couple of short yard nine point fives.

2967
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:20,959
Speaker 5: Had nine point five. Jack at nine point one. I

2968
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:23,080
Speaker 5: had eight point one. Rob Riggo had ten.

2969
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:24,160
Speaker 2: Star power.

2970
02:30:24,200 --> 02:30:28,480
Speaker 3: The star power of this game. Two Hall of Fame quarterbacks,

2971
02:30:28,480 --> 02:30:31,240
Speaker 3: two Hall of Fame coaches. Yeah, two dynasties.

2972
02:30:31,760 --> 02:30:35,560
Speaker 1: Dynasties. Yeah, yeah, this was Eric stone Street probably. This

2973
02:30:35,879 --> 02:30:38,360
Speaker 1: was this was our one. This was this was our

2974
02:30:38,440 --> 02:30:41,199
Speaker 1: chance to beat him. When you know the great chiefs,

2975
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:43,200
Speaker 1: this is this is our chance we beat him. Yeah,

2976
02:30:43,240 --> 02:30:47,320
Speaker 1: that's alright. I give this one a ten, A ten, agreed.

2977
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:49,600
Speaker 5: Jules has an eight point eight. Jack has a nine

2978
02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:53,360
Speaker 5: point three. I have a nine point five, has a ten.

2979
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:58,160
Speaker 3: The gameplay of this game, third and two, we had

2980
02:30:58,200 --> 02:31:00,480
Speaker 3: them bottled up and then the damn broke.

2981
02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean when you're talking about, yeah, championship game going

2982
02:31:03,720 --> 02:31:09,160
Speaker 1: to overtime, big drives in the fourth quarter. Yeah, there

2983
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:10,800
Speaker 1: was some stuff that wasn't perfect.

2984
02:31:10,920 --> 02:31:12,760
Speaker 2: But I didn't touch the ball either.

2985
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:14,480
Speaker 4: He didn't touch it, right.

2986
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:18,800
Speaker 1: Right, listen, you could but and you know, you know

2987
02:31:18,920 --> 02:31:26,280
Speaker 1: the thing that really would probably advantage us over the

2988
02:31:26,400 --> 02:31:30,720
Speaker 1: challenge because we talked about challenges. The rule on challenges

2989
02:31:31,320 --> 02:31:35,119
Speaker 1: is that when the referee, you know, the first thing

2990
02:31:35,160 --> 02:31:38,959
Speaker 1: they do, Okay, when there's a controversial play, the referee

2991
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:40,360
Speaker 1: is going to come over and talk to the coach.

2992
02:31:40,440 --> 02:31:43,920
Speaker 1: Coach is tell me I'm challenging the play because of this. Okay.

2993
02:31:44,400 --> 02:31:48,040
Speaker 1: Then the referee will go to the covering official and

2994
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:50,879
Speaker 1: it was the official that made the call. He'll go

2995
02:31:50,959 --> 02:31:53,920
Speaker 1: to the covering official and say, tell me what you saw.

2996
02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:57,600
Speaker 1: So the referee knows, hey, my side judge made the

2997
02:31:57,640 --> 02:31:59,959
Speaker 1: call and this is what he saw. And then you know,

2998
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:04,039
Speaker 1: they'll they'll talk. But when the video starts that the

2999
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:08,000
Speaker 1: referee starts looking at it's supposed to shut off after

3000
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:11,240
Speaker 1: sixty seconds. They had that. They had that video off

3001
02:32:11,280 --> 02:32:15,240
Speaker 1: the other field for a lot long sixty seconds. I

3002
02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:17,680
Speaker 1: don't know how long it was because there's a commercial

3003
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:22,080
Speaker 1: and they're still looking at it. But you know, hey,

3004
02:32:22,120 --> 02:32:24,560
Speaker 1: to me, the whole thing is the whole reason they

3005
02:32:24,600 --> 02:32:27,959
Speaker 1: had challenges. Let's get it right. They got it right.

3006
02:32:28,040 --> 02:32:31,760
Speaker 3: They got it right gameplay one to ten, But they

3007
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:32,920
Speaker 3: got it right on that play.

3008
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm going ten ten turned dog execute.

3009
02:32:36,680 --> 02:32:38,760
Speaker 5: Guys had a nine jacket a ten. I had a

3010
02:32:38,840 --> 02:32:41,680
Speaker 5: nine point five, and Rob had a ten as well.

3011
02:32:41,680 --> 02:32:47,520
Speaker 3: The name of the game, the super Blood wolf Moon game,

3012
02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:50,400
Speaker 3: I think, but also the legacy, the legacy about it

3013
02:32:50,480 --> 02:32:53,119
Speaker 3: where it holds in your heart culturally, this.

3014
02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:56,280
Speaker 4: Game, you say, twenty eighteen AFC Championship, everybody knows what

3015
02:32:56,320 --> 02:32:57,720
Speaker 4: you're talking about exactly.

3016
02:32:58,160 --> 02:33:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hey, I there's a full moon. I

3017
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:05,400
Speaker 1: got it if I if I hadn't seen, if I

3018
02:33:05,400 --> 02:33:07,920
Speaker 1: hadn't watched the TV replay, I would not have remembered

3019
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:08,760
Speaker 1: there was a full moment.

3020
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have. You saw it on the weather report.

3021
02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:15,959
Speaker 1: I probably did, but I don't remember. I don't remember that.

3022
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:18,039
Speaker 2: So what do you score it?

3023
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give that an eight like that.

3024
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:24,480
Speaker 5: Jules had an eight point nine, Jack had a ten.

3025
02:33:24,600 --> 02:33:26,600
Speaker 5: I had an eight point five, and Rob had a

3026
02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:32,880
Speaker 5: nine point three for a updated score of nine point

3027
02:33:32,879 --> 02:33:37,280
Speaker 5: three five. This game was currently the top it still

3028
02:33:37,360 --> 02:33:40,959
Speaker 5: is the moves down point zero four places.

3029
02:33:41,080 --> 02:33:41,840
Speaker 1: Let's go, we're.

3030
02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:43,920
Speaker 4: Staying on top right where it belongs.

3031
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:48,119
Speaker 2: Amazing, amazing, or we missed anything about this game.

3032
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we didn't do my eight hour deep dive,

3033
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:54,960
Speaker 1: so that we missed details, we got the important that's

3034
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:55,480
Speaker 1: part three.

3035
02:33:55,800 --> 02:33:59,959
Speaker 2: That's part three potentially. Do you want to plug anything.

3036
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:04,480
Speaker 3: Or I'm good right now and over always always love

3037
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:05,960
Speaker 3: your hat and over.

3038
02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:08,800
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Ernie. We always appreciate you.

3039
02:34:08,800 --> 02:34:11,480
Speaker 3: You know what, you give us so much knowledge you

3040
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:16,720
Speaker 3: give the listeners knowledge and how much preparation, hard work

3041
02:34:16,840 --> 02:34:21,600
Speaker 3: goes behind the scenes of what makes a dynasty go.

3042
02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, it was listen all that situational football. It's all

3043
02:34:26,400 --> 02:34:29,680
Speaker 1: those hot I mean hot days in August, going through

3044
02:34:29,680 --> 02:34:32,680
Speaker 1: that two minute drill, you know it.

3045
02:34:32,800 --> 02:34:33,039
Speaker 2: All.

3046
02:34:34,040 --> 02:34:35,720
Speaker 1: The reason you do it is so that when you

3047
02:34:35,800 --> 02:34:38,400
Speaker 1: really need it, you give yourself the best chance to

3048
02:34:38,440 --> 02:34:40,080
Speaker 1: have it pay off the best.

3049
02:34:40,280 --> 02:34:43,000
Speaker 3: And that's why you lift all them weights. That's why

3050
02:34:43,040 --> 02:34:44,959
Speaker 3: you do all that situational football. That's why you have

3051
02:34:44,959 --> 02:34:46,680
Speaker 3: the walk throughs for the walk throughs, for the walk throughs.

3052
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:50,560
Speaker 1: Right yeah, Ernie, thank you, my pleasure again.

3053
02:34:52,120 --> 02:34:53,920
Speaker 2: Well, another great episode with Ernie.

3054
02:34:54,120 --> 02:34:56,120
Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure. It's always an honor.

3055
02:34:56,360 --> 02:34:57,920
Speaker 2: I just feel like I want to go draft some

3056
02:34:57,959 --> 02:34:58,600
Speaker 2: guys right.

3057
02:34:58,440 --> 02:35:01,000
Speaker 4: Now that same want to crush some tape.

3058
02:35:01,240 --> 02:35:04,360
Speaker 5: Reed. He's butt dialed me like four times since we

3059
02:35:04,480 --> 02:35:07,400
Speaker 5: had him on too yeah, and every every time, like

3060
02:35:07,440 --> 02:35:09,520
Speaker 5: a part of me is like maybe he's like scouting

3061
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:11,200
Speaker 5: the show a little bit, and it's just like.

3062
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:16,040
Speaker 3: Oh he definitely next time, he's definitely this is bring

3063
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:20,439
Speaker 3: your a game. You better cover your He's got you.

3064
02:35:20,480 --> 02:35:21,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just want to go do some ride

3065
02:35:21,840 --> 02:35:24,400
Speaker 3: ups right now as we speak on some players.

3066
02:35:24,560 --> 02:35:26,200
Speaker 5: He was walking us through that folder too.

3067
02:35:26,320 --> 02:35:30,520
Speaker 6: After Yeah, that thing pretty tight though, so Nerdy put

3068
02:35:30,600 --> 02:35:32,000
Speaker 6: that thing like my football.

3069
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:34,080
Speaker 3: Nerd was just like I wanted to get it and

3070
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:36,240
Speaker 3: show it to the people, but like I didn't know

3071
02:35:36,280 --> 02:35:37,920
Speaker 3: if like there was a booby trap and there were

3072
02:35:37,959 --> 02:35:39,600
Speaker 3: electrocute me if I opened it.

3073
02:35:39,720 --> 02:35:42,000
Speaker 5: Like the old like elementary library school or a teacher

3074
02:35:42,040 --> 02:35:43,640
Speaker 5: where it's like you know, yeah.

3075
02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:47,520
Speaker 4: Group reading us, just sitting in Chris Cross applesauce, learning

3076
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:51,280
Speaker 4: from the master. Oh my gosh. Put that thing in

3077
02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:54,600
Speaker 4: the Smithsonian the library at Congress. There was gold in

3078
02:35:54,640 --> 02:35:55,160
Speaker 4: that folder.

3079
02:35:55,240 --> 02:35:57,600
Speaker 5: There's one thing I was disappointed on is that the

3080
02:35:57,640 --> 02:35:59,400
Speaker 5: Seahawks folder wasn't lime green.

3081
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:00,440
Speaker 1: Mmmm.

3082
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah he said blue though, right, blue said blue, which

3083
02:36:04,400 --> 02:36:05,320
Speaker 3: they have a lot of navy.

3084
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3085
02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:08,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder if that's a dollar rush for the

3086
02:36:08,480 --> 02:36:09,720
Speaker 5: folder would have been would.

3087
02:36:09,480 --> 02:36:12,000
Speaker 4: Have been cool. Rush shoulder. I'm gonna I think that's

3088
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:13,880
Speaker 4: something we gotta take up with Staples or or an

3089
02:36:13,879 --> 02:36:15,800
Speaker 4: office Max. I wonder if they're making enough of those.

3090
02:36:16,120 --> 02:36:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure there was only like five

3091
02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:20,000
Speaker 2: or six ones.

3092
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, got a lot of black fold black folders Vanilla Manila.

3093
02:36:25,959 --> 02:36:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we can get close enough.

3094
02:36:27,959 --> 02:36:31,160
Speaker 3: He loves it, man, it's pretty cool. He wants to

3095
02:36:31,160 --> 02:36:33,080
Speaker 3: he wanted to come back on the show.

3096
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:35,879
Speaker 4: There's a lot of standing invitation.

3097
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:37,959
Speaker 5: We had a couple of pre production meetings ahead of

3098
02:36:37,959 --> 02:36:39,880
Speaker 5: time to prep and really craft in like he was

3099
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:41,959
Speaker 5: really involved. It was It's fine. It's always an honor

3100
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:44,200
Speaker 5: and I mean this generally as a football fan, and

3101
02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:46,240
Speaker 5: particularly as a Pageos fan, it's always an honor just

3102
02:36:46,280 --> 02:36:48,400
Speaker 5: to be in the presence of Ernie and they get

3103
02:36:48,400 --> 02:36:50,959
Speaker 5: to talk football with him. It's just it's incredible.

3104
02:36:50,959 --> 02:36:54,040
Speaker 3: And because of Ernie coming on the show, like now,

3105
02:36:54,120 --> 02:36:56,600
Speaker 3: all these football heads like when I see.

3106
02:36:56,400 --> 02:36:59,320
Speaker 2: Him at like we did Brady Day, do this do that?

3107
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:02,160
Speaker 3: All the other guys are like because or anyone on

3108
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:04,440
Speaker 3: the show, like they're like, hey, man, you know, can

3109
02:37:04,440 --> 02:37:05,080
Speaker 3: I get on the show?

3110
02:37:05,560 --> 02:37:08,440
Speaker 2: I know you know what I mean? Yes, some pretty

3111
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:10,279
Speaker 2: high up people.

3112
02:37:10,320 --> 02:37:12,720
Speaker 4: Seriously, and the you can tell who a real football

3113
02:37:12,760 --> 02:37:15,280
Speaker 4: it is by how much they respect an Ernie episode.

3114
02:37:15,440 --> 02:37:18,640
Speaker 4: Big Cat. Big Cat called and was talking about it. Yeah,

3115
02:37:18,680 --> 02:37:21,920
Speaker 4: all the guys, I mean, it was. It's something and

3116
02:37:21,959 --> 02:37:24,480
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have it any other way. When we first

3117
02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:27,080
Speaker 4: sort of were talking with Kyler or with Ernie, as

3118
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:29,880
Speaker 4: Kyler mentioned in some pre pro calls, and we introduced

3119
02:37:29,879 --> 02:37:33,440
Speaker 4: the idea of breaking down some specific plays, Ernie came

3120
02:37:33,480 --> 02:37:35,800
Speaker 4: back to us with I think it was about fifty

3121
02:37:35,840 --> 02:37:39,720
Speaker 4: five different plays, and we run a pretty pretty ninety

3122
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:43,840
Speaker 4: to two hour time constrainted show here, and so we

3123
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:45,680
Speaker 4: were I wouldn't have it any other way though, That's

3124
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:48,360
Speaker 4: all I wanted him coming back, and we whittled it down.

3125
02:37:48,400 --> 02:37:50,720
Speaker 4: We whittled it down, and Ernie picked a solid five

3126
02:37:50,760 --> 02:37:51,040
Speaker 4: I think.

3127
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:56,240
Speaker 3: And copyright issues were tough too, because he's thinking like

3128
02:37:56,480 --> 02:37:59,040
Speaker 3: he wants Cowboy Clicker where we could just sit here

3129
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:02,600
Speaker 3: and rewind and show the viewer like, yeah, we're not

3130
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:03,040
Speaker 3: there yet.

3131
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:06,120
Speaker 4: We're not there yet, but soon enough, soon enough, when

3132
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:10,120
Speaker 4: it's games with names colon Ernie's Edition, Ernie Edition, that's

3133
02:38:10,120 --> 02:38:13,199
Speaker 4: what we'll have it. And he had some good Fabric

3134
02:38:13,240 --> 02:38:16,240
Speaker 4: Talk Summer fabric's mattress. Ernie had his mattress on was

3135
02:38:16,320 --> 02:38:18,880
Speaker 4: killing it always. I didn't get to ask him after

3136
02:38:18,920 --> 02:38:22,040
Speaker 4: the or during the pod how he felt about seersucker.

3137
02:38:23,240 --> 02:38:26,480
Speaker 4: Fast forward the next night, we're walking into the Brady event.

3138
02:38:26,959 --> 02:38:30,280
Speaker 4: We're in the tunnel. I look over Ernie full sear

3139
02:38:30,360 --> 02:38:33,280
Speaker 4: sucker suit. Dapped him up. When I knew it, he

3140
02:38:33,320 --> 02:38:36,959
Speaker 4: answered it, he said, long time. No see, I'm like,

3141
02:38:37,480 --> 02:38:40,520
Speaker 4: that's right, baby, what I mean, just awesome?

3142
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:41,080
Speaker 2: What a guy.

3143
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:43,800
Speaker 3: He wore that because it was a little humid that night. Yep,

3144
02:38:43,879 --> 02:38:46,080
Speaker 3: people were sweating, and he knew about the heat yep.

3145
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:49,360
Speaker 3: And what did he do? He went, he did a little, did.

3146
02:38:49,240 --> 02:38:50,800
Speaker 2: A little research of what it was going to be.

3147
02:38:50,840 --> 02:38:51,440
Speaker 2: What's the best?

3148
02:38:51,520 --> 02:38:55,200
Speaker 3: Probably fabric, fabric and seersucker is great for the heat.

3149
02:38:55,320 --> 02:38:57,320
Speaker 4: Your seersucker nice and the light, stylish.

3150
02:38:57,440 --> 02:38:57,920
Speaker 2: Classic.

3151
02:38:58,440 --> 02:39:00,120
Speaker 5: We didn't see him down on the table. I had

3152
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:01,160
Speaker 5: been up in the Ernie box.

3153
02:39:01,240 --> 02:39:05,000
Speaker 2: I showed everyone in the Ernie box. We got some pictures.

3154
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:07,720
Speaker 4: We'll have to put them up. Legendary. Man, what an

3155
02:39:07,720 --> 02:39:10,080
Speaker 4: all time time And it's just I'm always I always

3156
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:12,480
Speaker 4: feel so fortunate anytime we get to spend some time

3157
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:15,360
Speaker 4: with Ernie. That was so cool. Always learn so much,

3158
02:39:16,400 --> 02:39:18,520
Speaker 4: peel back the curtain on so many many, so many

3159
02:39:18,520 --> 02:39:21,480
Speaker 4: plays and so many everything. It's just awesome.

3160
02:39:22,200 --> 02:39:24,840
Speaker 2: Just feel like a sponge when you're around them. Seriously,

3161
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:27,680
Speaker 2: I try to feel like a sponge.

3162
02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:31,279
Speaker 4: SpongeBob Baby, SpongeBob square Fants.

3163
02:39:32,200 --> 02:39:36,600
Speaker 3: We're gonna try a new post show segment today where

3164
02:39:36,680 --> 02:39:40,400
Speaker 3: since we were talking about twenty eighteen AFC Championship, we

3165
02:39:40,440 --> 02:39:44,480
Speaker 3: thought it'd be pretty cool to redraft the top ten

3166
02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:48,119
Speaker 3: picks of the twenty eighteen draft now that.

3167
02:39:48,080 --> 02:39:50,840
Speaker 5: We learn some stuff from Ernie and player value layer evaluation.

3168
02:39:51,000 --> 02:39:53,520
Speaker 4: Honor of Ernie player evaluations. This was a fun draft

3169
02:39:53,520 --> 02:39:57,920
Speaker 4: to a lot of not of notable names and pretty

3170
02:39:57,959 --> 02:40:02,440
Speaker 4: darn cool here. So we before we redraft and go through,

3171
02:40:02,800 --> 02:40:06,600
Speaker 4: we kind of pulled a selection of the most notable

3172
02:40:06,640 --> 02:40:09,200
Speaker 4: guys that were drafted in this draft, Guys that went

3173
02:40:09,240 --> 02:40:11,480
Speaker 4: on to be Pro Bowlers, guys that are still having

3174
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:15,240
Speaker 4: awesome careers. Put those into a pile. We got our

3175
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:17,440
Speaker 4: blank top ten over here on the right, and then

3176
02:40:17,440 --> 02:40:20,880
Speaker 4: we also are going to revisit really quickly who who

3177
02:40:20,920 --> 02:40:22,920
Speaker 4: was the actual top ten who went where?

3178
02:40:23,120 --> 02:40:24,400
Speaker 1: So that would be to.

3179
02:40:27,560 --> 02:40:32,000
Speaker 4: NASCAR offense. Here, Cleveland drafted Baker Mayfield out of Oklahoma.

3180
02:40:32,040 --> 02:40:35,560
Speaker 4: Of course, Saquon Barkley went to the Giants out of

3181
02:40:35,560 --> 02:40:39,920
Speaker 4: Penn State. Sam Darnold, USC quarterback went to the Jets.

3182
02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:43,560
Speaker 4: Denzel Ward, the cornerback out of Ohio State, went to

3183
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:47,240
Speaker 4: Cleveland as well. Bradley Chubb, the defensive end out of

3184
02:40:47,800 --> 02:40:51,280
Speaker 4: in c State, went to the Broncos. Quentin Nelson was

3185
02:40:51,320 --> 02:40:55,000
Speaker 4: taken at number six out of Notre Dame. The offensive

3186
02:40:55,000 --> 02:40:58,720
Speaker 4: guard at seven, Josh Allen went to the Bills. Quarterback

3187
02:40:58,760 --> 02:41:02,080
Speaker 4: at of Wyoming we all know Rokwan Smith went eight

3188
02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:06,279
Speaker 4: to the Bears. The outside linebacker out of Georgia. Another

3189
02:41:06,320 --> 02:41:10,320
Speaker 4: Notre Dame offensive offensive lineman, tackle Mike mcglinchy, went at

3190
02:41:10,400 --> 02:41:13,360
Speaker 4: number nine to San Francisco. And then to round out

3191
02:41:13,400 --> 02:41:18,800
Speaker 4: the top ten, the Arizona Cardinals took UCLA quarterback Josh

3192
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:24,080
Speaker 4: Rosen Wow jos and Rosen Baby. That was the actual top.

3193
02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:27,360
Speaker 5: Ten, and some other big names too that weren't in

3194
02:41:27,360 --> 02:41:31,760
Speaker 5: the top ten. Lamar Jackson, Jack Leonard, Joony Michelle, Nick Chubb.

3195
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:37,120
Speaker 6: Fred Warner, third rounder, Mark Andrews, Jermaine Edmunds, Mark Andrews

3196
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:42,480
Speaker 6: Minka Fitzpatrick, Derwin Jones, Bedevea, a lot of guys.

3197
02:41:42,840 --> 02:41:45,640
Speaker 5: Let's start at ten here and go in reverse order. Yeah,

3198
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:46,760
Speaker 5: and go on reverse order.

3199
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:50,440
Speaker 2: These are tough. These are tough. Number ten.

3200
02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:54,200
Speaker 5: Maybe we go one first. We can go back with here,

3201
02:41:54,680 --> 02:41:56,960
Speaker 5: we can go one first, because that might be easier. Okay,

3202
02:41:57,400 --> 02:42:00,720
Speaker 5: so feels like one. There's a couple of quarters here

3203
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:02,640
Speaker 5: and a couple of linemen here.

3204
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:06,320
Speaker 3: There are no lineman k they got either Josh Allen

3205
02:42:06,560 --> 02:42:07,440
Speaker 3: or Lamar Jackson.

3206
02:42:07,480 --> 02:42:09,760
Speaker 2: Which one's going one? That's the biggest decision. I feel

3207
02:42:09,800 --> 02:42:13,320
Speaker 2: like there ain't no other. There's a quarterback league.

3208
02:42:14,200 --> 02:42:16,520
Speaker 3: There's two quarterbacks have been balling out, but none of

3209
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:18,400
Speaker 3: they yet to win a Super Bowl.

3210
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:21,279
Speaker 4: Two MVPs for Lamar though.

3211
02:42:21,760 --> 02:42:23,279
Speaker 2: How many playoff wins.

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02:42:24,480 --> 02:42:28,760
Speaker 5: Play style? Josh Allen probably might have a longer career

3213
02:42:29,160 --> 02:42:32,640
Speaker 5: just in terms of rushing the ball, exposure to being tackled.

3214
02:42:33,240 --> 02:42:37,000
Speaker 2: But Jackson, Kyler Adams, we get it, dude.

3215
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:41,480
Speaker 4: There's only got one playoff winners of now right one

3216
02:42:41,480 --> 02:42:43,080
Speaker 4: and three, I believe Lamar.

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02:42:43,520 --> 02:42:46,760
Speaker 3: And how many does Josh got, like even to the

3218
02:42:46,840 --> 02:42:48,920
Speaker 3: NFC Championship a couple of times, he's got five?

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02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:49,840
Speaker 2: So far five.

3220
02:42:50,800 --> 02:42:55,039
Speaker 3: Josh Allen. Yeah, Josh Allen won, Lamar Jackson two.

3221
02:42:55,760 --> 02:43:00,680
Speaker 5: So Josh Allen to the Bronco to the the rounds

3222
02:43:02,320 --> 02:43:05,480
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson to the Giants. That's fun.

3223
02:43:05,560 --> 02:43:05,960
Speaker 4: That's fun.

3224
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:11,760
Speaker 2: That'd have been fun. Number three for the Jets, they

3225
02:43:11,800 --> 02:43:16,640
Speaker 2: needed a quarterback. It took Sam Darnold gave.

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02:43:16,520 --> 02:43:18,280
Speaker 4: Up a lot to get him to No, the Panthers

3227
02:43:18,320 --> 02:43:20,920
Speaker 4: gave up a lot, trade and form. After that.

3228
02:43:23,280 --> 02:43:23,920
Speaker 1: We got here.

3229
02:43:24,280 --> 02:43:29,440
Speaker 5: Quentin Nelson, great guard. I've been killing it for the Colts. Yeah,

3230
02:43:29,480 --> 02:43:32,240
Speaker 5: but Fred Warner, Mark Andrews, you're not.

3231
02:43:32,200 --> 02:43:35,959
Speaker 3: Gonna go, did they? Quintin Nelson? What's up with these

3232
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:36,959
Speaker 3: Notre Dame guys?

3233
02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:40,800
Speaker 4: Notre Dame just got some offensive line you over here

3234
02:43:40,840 --> 02:43:42,480
Speaker 4: just taking over for Florida.

3235
02:43:42,680 --> 02:43:46,440
Speaker 2: Smart big men that could move. Put that in the category.

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02:43:46,879 --> 02:43:47,080
Speaker 1: Yep.

3237
02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:49,360
Speaker 4: DJ Moore, we got to add him to our list.

3238
02:43:49,400 --> 02:43:53,039
Speaker 4: DJ Moore is also from this draft where he went

3239
02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:54,279
Speaker 4: twenty four to the Panthers.

3240
02:43:54,280 --> 02:43:57,039
Speaker 1: I've added him to our list for the Jets.

3241
02:43:57,360 --> 02:44:00,400
Speaker 3: Let's make it interesting, because if we're not gonna get

3242
02:44:00,440 --> 02:44:03,520
Speaker 3: a quarterback, you're gonna probably have to get another quarterback

3243
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:04,560
Speaker 3: later round.

3244
02:44:04,760 --> 02:44:07,200
Speaker 2: What do you want to do for the quarterback. Let's

3245
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:09,160
Speaker 2: give him a good run game. Let's go.

3246
02:44:09,879 --> 02:44:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm probably going Chubb Nick Chubb. I like that, Okay,

3247
02:44:14,280 --> 02:44:16,920
Speaker 3: I like I think it could be sa Kwan. But if,

3248
02:44:17,360 --> 02:44:21,480
Speaker 3: like we know the injury history. Now Chubb did just miss.

3249
02:44:21,280 --> 02:44:23,480
Speaker 2: A year, but he had what four or five years,

3250
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:29,119
Speaker 2: four years where he was pretty healthy. You gotta add

3251
02:44:30,200 --> 02:44:30,879
Speaker 2: out of the huh.

3252
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:33,520
Speaker 4: Added Calvin Ridley to our list? To I I forgot

3253
02:44:33,560 --> 02:44:34,320
Speaker 4: to read him earlier.

3254
02:44:34,879 --> 02:44:37,640
Speaker 2: Then who's four Browns again?

3255
02:44:38,360 --> 02:44:41,240
Speaker 5: Rokwan Smith's in there, Fred Warner's in there.

3256
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:44,880
Speaker 2: I mean I would go at the cornerback too. Some guards, see, dude,

3257
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:48,240
Speaker 2: Ward has been an unbelievable player. He's a he's a

3258
02:44:48,720 --> 02:44:50,480
Speaker 2: keep Ward. I'm keeping Ward.

3259
02:44:50,840 --> 02:44:51,360
Speaker 1: I like that.

3260
02:44:52,400 --> 02:44:56,440
Speaker 3: You gotta feed the offense, feed the defense. Number five,

3261
02:44:57,680 --> 02:45:01,760
Speaker 3: I might have to. Chubb's been good. I mean, you

3262
02:45:01,800 --> 02:45:05,400
Speaker 3: got Vita Vea in there. He was a nasty he's

3263
02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:09,840
Speaker 3: in he just no more run game? What is that

3264
02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:10,760
Speaker 3: division like to do?

3265
02:45:11,600 --> 02:45:13,119
Speaker 5: Baker's still on the board too.

3266
02:45:13,560 --> 02:45:17,439
Speaker 3: Baker's and Baker, I mean he went to the playoffs,

3267
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:21,920
Speaker 3: had a resurge in this last year. But it's who's

3268
02:45:22,160 --> 02:45:24,760
Speaker 3: the Quarterbroncos is twenty eighteen they didn't do they need

3269
02:45:24,760 --> 02:45:29,560
Speaker 3: a quarterback? Who was their quarterback that year case Keenum.

3270
02:45:30,040 --> 02:45:32,680
Speaker 3: They clearly wanted someone on the D line. See, we

3271
02:45:32,720 --> 02:45:36,000
Speaker 3: didn't we didn't do our homework on team needs of this.

3272
02:45:36,120 --> 02:45:38,200
Speaker 5: Well, I think we can do team need.

3273
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:40,279
Speaker 2: We can do the best player.

3274
02:45:40,360 --> 02:45:42,800
Speaker 5: Best player might be might be easier.

3275
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:44,800
Speaker 2: Well, I mean.

3276
02:45:46,160 --> 02:45:47,480
Speaker 5: Mark Andrews is right there.

3277
02:45:47,959 --> 02:45:48,520
Speaker 4: He's awesome.

3278
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:53,560
Speaker 5: Also, Marton Nelson is a great guard and a difference

3279
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:56,600
Speaker 5: maker in the interior line. It's not sexy, it's not fun.

3280
02:45:57,080 --> 02:45:58,880
Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's go with the we gotta go with

3281
02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:02,640
Speaker 2: the guard. Quentin Nelson.

3282
02:46:04,120 --> 02:46:04,480
Speaker 1: Six.

3283
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:08,800
Speaker 2: I mean, Fred Warner is pretty insane.

3284
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:12,280
Speaker 4: Dude, lynchpin of that San fran defense. I feel like

3285
02:46:12,280 --> 02:46:14,119
Speaker 4: he's got to make it him the top ten here somewhere.

3286
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:17,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's like the quarterback of that defense,

3287
02:46:17,720 --> 02:46:19,760
Speaker 3: a defense pretty even been pretty elite.

3288
02:46:20,440 --> 02:46:21,280
Speaker 2: I'm putting him in there.

3289
02:46:21,400 --> 02:46:23,400
Speaker 5: Fred Warner to the Colts, Fred Warner.

3290
02:46:23,680 --> 02:46:24,200
Speaker 1: Well, I like that.

3291
02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:30,240
Speaker 3: I mean Mark Andrews probably seven, because I mean, he

3292
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:34,120
Speaker 3: he's still this is with with the way the league is,

3293
02:46:34,440 --> 02:46:36,760
Speaker 3: and he could still block a nine technique. He's still

3294
02:46:36,760 --> 02:46:41,280
Speaker 3: a great blocker, and he's electric in the past game.

3295
02:46:41,320 --> 02:46:44,800
Speaker 3: He's faster than what you think. He's stronger than what

3296
02:46:44,840 --> 02:46:46,760
Speaker 3: you think because you already think he's strong, but he's

3297
02:46:46,760 --> 02:46:47,400
Speaker 3: stronger than that.

3298
02:46:48,360 --> 02:46:49,640
Speaker 2: I've been a fan of him.

3299
02:46:49,840 --> 02:46:53,280
Speaker 5: So Mark Andrews to the Bills. Yeah, now Bears at

3300
02:46:53,320 --> 02:46:55,160
Speaker 5: eight they went broken Smith.

3301
02:46:55,879 --> 02:46:59,280
Speaker 4: I would say who they end up with him now?

3302
02:46:59,320 --> 02:47:02,960
Speaker 4: But I mean that DJ Moore's he was later in

3303
02:47:02,959 --> 02:47:05,920
Speaker 4: the first round, went to Carolina at twenty four.

3304
02:47:06,879 --> 02:47:08,400
Speaker 2: Dudelet's throw a DJ Moore in there.

3305
02:47:08,480 --> 02:47:08,920
Speaker 4: I like that.

3306
02:47:09,440 --> 02:47:10,640
Speaker 2: Get a little receiver love.

3307
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:12,920
Speaker 4: They got him after all, but drafting him straight up

3308
02:47:12,959 --> 02:47:14,520
Speaker 4: would would have saved him from trading.

3309
02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:18,279
Speaker 5: Barkley still on the board, Baker Mayfield still on the board,

3310
02:47:19,440 --> 02:47:22,400
Speaker 5: James mca Fitzpatrick Petavea.

3311
02:47:22,520 --> 02:47:24,959
Speaker 3: And then I would probably go I'd probably go Bake

3312
02:47:26,040 --> 02:47:29,400
Speaker 3: as nine because Bake had I mean, Bake had a

3313
02:47:29,440 --> 02:47:31,039
Speaker 3: playoff when in Cleveland.

3314
02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:33,359
Speaker 2: Bro, that's hard to do.

3315
02:47:34,040 --> 02:47:39,720
Speaker 5: Him on the forty nine ers Ooh, Shanahan, Shanahan a Baker.

3316
02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:41,560
Speaker 4: Talk about Baker cooking.

3317
02:47:41,600 --> 02:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I like that.

3318
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:45,680
Speaker 3: And then number ten, I mean this pro, this a

3319
02:47:45,720 --> 02:47:49,480
Speaker 3: pro running back on podcast it is we gotta go

3320
02:47:49,680 --> 02:47:53,600
Speaker 3: put bark there. I mean he when he first came

3321
02:47:53,640 --> 02:47:56,320
Speaker 3: out like this is just on the careers they had,

3322
02:47:56,360 --> 02:47:59,560
Speaker 3: but he was one of the most dynamic people, like

3323
02:48:00,280 --> 02:48:04,360
Speaker 3: was Chubb is He's had better production in his career.

3324
02:48:05,520 --> 02:48:07,480
Speaker 3: But we all think of Chubb just a guy that

3325
02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:09,720
Speaker 3: runs downhill like sa Quon. You could throw him out

3326
02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:13,840
Speaker 3: the backfield. He's got a lot of versatility. And you know,

3327
02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:16,280
Speaker 3: if he wasn't hurt, we're saying everyone's not hurt. Like

3328
02:48:17,240 --> 02:48:19,280
Speaker 3: he's a he's a he was a generational player.

3329
02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:21,080
Speaker 4: What do you think he's gonna be like on Eagles

3330
02:48:21,080 --> 02:48:21,440
Speaker 4: this year?

3331
02:48:21,640 --> 02:48:23,959
Speaker 3: I think it could be really good for him because

3332
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:27,800
Speaker 3: he's not just the main focus there. They have great

3333
02:48:27,800 --> 02:48:32,840
Speaker 3: weapons on the outside with Smith and uh who's my

3334
02:48:32,879 --> 02:48:37,080
Speaker 3: big A j Brown? And then they're their tight end

3335
02:48:37,160 --> 02:48:39,640
Speaker 3: is really good.

3336
02:48:39,240 --> 02:48:40,720
Speaker 2: God got her.

3337
02:48:41,440 --> 02:48:42,560
Speaker 1: They got a lot of guys.

3338
02:48:42,920 --> 02:48:45,800
Speaker 3: I'm just so will they have the offensive line dialed

3339
02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:49,400
Speaker 3: with Kelsey retired? I know a lot of people think,

3340
02:48:49,440 --> 02:48:53,280
Speaker 3: you know, we get a Kelsey was running that ship.

3341
02:48:53,720 --> 02:48:56,119
Speaker 4: That's fun. We get some some deep some deep draft tops.

3342
02:48:56,200 --> 02:48:57,480
Speaker 2: Let us know what you guys think.

3343
02:48:57,640 --> 02:49:00,600
Speaker 5: Josh Allen won, Lamar Jackson two, Nick Chubb three, Denzel

3344
02:49:00,640 --> 02:49:04,800
Speaker 5: Award for Quentin Nelson five, Fred Warner six, Mark Andrews seven,

3345
02:49:04,879 --> 02:49:08,119
Speaker 5: DJ Moore eight, Baker Mayfield nine, it's one Barkley ten.

3346
02:49:08,360 --> 02:49:09,520
Speaker 5: I'm sure we missed a few.

3347
02:49:09,840 --> 02:49:12,279
Speaker 2: We missed a lot. We missed a lot.

3348
02:49:12,600 --> 02:49:14,520
Speaker 5: Well, it's hard being Ernie Adams.

3349
02:49:15,480 --> 02:49:19,480
Speaker 3: But every year in those rooms, those war rooms, they

3350
02:49:19,520 --> 02:49:20,400
Speaker 3: miss a lot too.

3351
02:49:21,240 --> 02:49:21,640
Speaker 4: Very true.

3352
02:49:22,240 --> 02:49:24,040
Speaker 5: These guys in the eyes, and you'll know if they're ones.

3353
02:49:24,120 --> 02:49:25,480
Speaker 2: That's what I told her? Did I tell her?

3354
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:25,760
Speaker 1: Need that?

3355
02:49:25,879 --> 02:49:26,359
Speaker 5: Yeah?

3356
02:49:27,480 --> 02:49:29,600
Speaker 2: So let me look these guys in the eyes. You

3357
02:49:29,640 --> 02:49:30,680
Speaker 2: can tell you that?

3358
02:49:30,720 --> 02:49:30,879
Speaker 1: Fun?

3359
02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:33,039
Speaker 2: Well, what a game.

3360
02:49:32,840 --> 02:49:34,840
Speaker 5: That'll make a great graphic on social media?

3361
02:49:35,280 --> 02:49:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And guys are gonna kill us.

3362
02:49:38,080 --> 02:49:43,240
Speaker 4: What we should mel kiper in the comments section? What

3363
02:49:43,280 --> 02:49:43,760
Speaker 4: are you doing?

3364
02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:45,840
Speaker 5: What if we were smart, like part of my take,

3365
02:49:45,879 --> 02:49:47,600
Speaker 5: we'd like put a stupid one in there and be

3366
02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:49,480
Speaker 5: like listen to the show and you know why it'd

3367
02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:52,760
Speaker 5: be dumb. Then those guys are too smart.

3368
02:49:52,959 --> 02:49:55,680
Speaker 4: Hey, we're smarter than them. All of ours were stupid ones. Yeah,

3369
02:49:59,240 --> 02:49:59,879
Speaker 4: just kidd we got some.

3370
02:50:00,200 --> 02:50:02,720
Speaker 3: Do you get Josh Allen or that's a cool lamar

3371
02:50:03,360 --> 02:50:04,440
Speaker 3: happy what you're happy?

3372
02:50:04,480 --> 02:50:05,160
Speaker 2: Either way? Yeah?

3373
02:50:05,480 --> 02:50:08,080
Speaker 4: Look, Scott Pioli over here, come I now never oh

3374
02:50:08,520 --> 02:50:10,120
Speaker 4: too smart for all right?

3375
02:50:10,360 --> 02:50:13,600
Speaker 3: Well, what a game. Thanks again to Ernie. That's been

3376
02:50:13,640 --> 02:50:17,039
Speaker 3: another episode. Thank you, Ernie. We appreciate you.

3377
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:21,720
Speaker 2: Coming truce so so Grace. It's worth your taddress maddress.

3378
02:50:21,280 --> 02:50:24,320
Speaker 5: Address, which we planned ahead of time on our call. Yeah,

3379
02:50:25,080 --> 02:50:27,160
Speaker 5: I mean I could wear my sweater. There's a lot

3380
02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:29,240
Speaker 5: of play in my red sweater they wore in the draft.

3381
02:50:29,400 --> 02:50:31,360
Speaker 5: Maybe I could wear some matdress. Maybe, because this is

3382
02:50:31,400 --> 02:50:33,640
Speaker 5: like whatever you want to wear anything outwear the maddress.

3383
02:50:34,480 --> 02:50:36,879
Speaker 3: He brought it, he brought the heat as and he

3384
02:50:36,959 --> 02:50:40,400
Speaker 3: wore it well. And that's been another episode of Games Names.

3385
02:50:40,480 --> 02:50:44,080
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3386
02:50:44,120 --> 02:50:44,760
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3387
02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:48,279
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3388
02:50:48,920 --> 02:50:49,760
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3389
02:50:51,000 --> 02:50:55,720
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3390
02:50:55,800 --> 02:50:59,440
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3392
02:51:03,680 --> 02:51:10,440
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