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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for dake Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie Daniel, I'm ditching a normal intro

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try something on a little different. See

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Speaker 1: how I like it.

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Speaker 3: It appears you have Okay.

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Speaker 1: I am Ty Hildebrand. He's Dan Rubinstein. This is a

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Speaker 1: solid verbal. Today we are talking all things Oklahoma State

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Speaker 1: with Scott Wright of the Oklahoma and Scott, very gracious

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Speaker 1: with his time, is covering a lot of things all

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Speaker 1: at once in the Oklahoma State Athletics universe, and thankfully

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Speaker 1: was able to work us into his schedule. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to play that interview, which we've pre recorded here momentarily.

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Speaker 1: to get a little bit more informed about will it

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Speaker 1: ever happen? For so and so? The it of course

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Speaker 1: is very relative in this conversation, Dan, it at Penn

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Speaker 1: State may mean something different at Oklahoma State. Hopefully Scott

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Speaker 1: can help us suss all that out. Sorry, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: paying attention to anything you said. I was.

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Speaker 2: I know what you were saying with Scott right is

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Speaker 2: going to be terrific. I'm sure I was looking up

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Speaker 2: pistol Pete because I want to make a proclamation that

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Speaker 2: pistol Pete is the elite of the elite in terms

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Speaker 2: of college mascots. And I both love the idea that

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Speaker 2: of like has like the weird expression of the Burger

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Speaker 2: it's based on a real person. It is based on

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Speaker 2: a TikTok about this. Maybe I'll revive it. Frank Eaton

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Speaker 2: was the guy's name. He was a dude named Frank

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Speaker 2: from Connecticut who was at a parade. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: he was at a parade in Stillwater and students liked

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Speaker 1: The Old West as a whole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you seen the Oklahoma State shirts? And I

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Speaker 2: that it's pistol pete competing in the sport. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: Just say Oklahol wrestle.

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Speaker 2: It's pistol pete in a singlet. Like the fishing team,

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Speaker 2: And the brilliance of that it seems so simple and

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Speaker 2: know that the Clemson Tiger Maybe it is, Maybe the

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Speaker 2: State branding to me is a plus in terms of

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Speaker 1: Rightfully so, rightfully so. The people who have listened to

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Speaker 1: been on this roller coaster with Oklahoma State. One minute.

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Speaker 1: feels like it's on Mike Gundhy. Forget what I think

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Speaker 1: his fine work over at the Oklahoma and first time

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Speaker 1: on the podcast. Scott, Welcome to the show. How are you.

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Speaker 1: You for working us in. I know you're quite busy

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Speaker 1: down Derek, try to cover all things Oklahoma State Athletics,

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Speaker 1: So we appreciate it. Look, this is gonna be Mike

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Speaker 3: I can't put it all along Gunny, because he did

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Speaker 3: all of it. But Gundy was the perfect guy to

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Speaker 3: You know, we saw before Gundy, Les Miles gets Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: they've built here. He's the greatest coach at Oklahoma State

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Speaker 1: So here's my two part question, Scott A. What does

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of it is Big Twelve titles.

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Speaker 3: That's one thing that a lot of the disgruntled side

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Speaker 3: I come down more on the side of the Bedlam

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Speaker 3: look beat he beats Oklahoma in twenty one and twenty three,

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Speaker 2: So last year, post by week, I think Oklahoma State

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Speaker 1: Point on that Scott, I remember when they brought Brian

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Speaker 3: In some ways, it's still a work in progress. In general,

436
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 3: they really like Brian Nardo's mind and the way that

437
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 3: it works. They feel like he is a really intelligent

438
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 3: football coach and we're you know, there were a lot

439
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 3: of times you can go back and look at several

440
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: games last year where you know they were giving up,

441
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 3: that they were getting burned early. Kansas is one that

442
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 3: sticks out to me. They gave up a score early

443
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 3: in the second half and then shut them out the

444
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 3: rest of the game, allowed the offense to get back in,

445
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: come back and win that game. Byu was a similar

446
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 3: thing where they were they couldn't stop them at all early,

447
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 3: shout him out the entire second half, got that game

448
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: to until they hit a field goal to tie it

449
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: in force overtime. But so his in game adjustments were

450
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 3: really good in that respect. They like his intelligence is understanding,

451
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 3: and now we're seeing him evolve his defense to fit

452
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: the talent that he's got. So this will be this

453
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: will be a really telling year from that respect. You know,

454
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: you don't want to bail on a guy after two

455
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: years and say that he can't do it, But this

456
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 3: is going to be really important for him. With so

457
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 3: many returning starters and so many experienced guys now that

458
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: understand his defense, you should see real progress in year

459
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: two with Brian Nardo, and that's going to be that's

460
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: gonna be the most important thing for him.

461
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: Back to Gundy for a second. I read a quote

462
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: of his from I want to say last Fall Scott

463
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: where he emphasized the importance of investing in nil over facilities,

464
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: which has kind of been the trend at Oklahoma State forever.

465
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: His quote at the time was don't build it, put

466
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: it in the bank, and then a few sentences later,

467
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: quote I'm not saying I agree with it. Hold on,

468
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: I only know the sign of the times end quote.

469
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Speaker 1: So a little bit of a conflict there. This is

470
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: clearly a program that has known how to use Boone Pickens'

471
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: money for betterment to catapult itself at least in terms

472
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: of facilities and national prominence of what have you. Is

473
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: it evolving quickly enough on the NIL front now that

474
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Speaker 1: the game has sort of changed.

475
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: They made some pretty significant changes. After a really rough

476
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: off season between twenty twenty two and twenty three, they

477
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: had a ton of guys leave. They had to get

478
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: a little bit desperate to keep some of their stars,

479
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 3: some of these guys that we've talked about, to keep

480
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: them around because a lot of guys were heading out

481
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 3: the door, and that led them to finally being more

482
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: proactive in how their approached in IL in particular. You know,

483
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: my gundhy Is is still old school in a lot

484
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: of respects. He hates IL. He hates the portal, but

485
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: he understands that he has to use them to survive.

486
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: He still likes his job, so he's trying to keep it.

487
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 3: So he's come around to using them, even though he

488
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: doesn't like them. Now. The transfer thing, he likes to

489
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: talk about it and act like he doesn't like it.

490
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: But as soon as the grad transfer rule came in

491
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: back in was that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, he was

492
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: he was very prominent in grabbing some guys through that

493
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 3: that came in and really helped Oklahoma State. So he's

494
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: not afraid of transfers. He just doesn't like when his

495
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: really good players hang around for a couple of years

496
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: and then bail. So that said, he's he's becoming much

497
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: more proactive through you know, through his him and his

498
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: staff and then also through the collective to be much

499
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: more accept of what the current landscape is, and that

500
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: has allowed them to, you know, to keep listening. By

501
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: mid October last year, there were people around here writing

502
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: who's Ally Gordon going to play for next year? So

503
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: the pressure was on right away for Oklahoma State to make,

504
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: you know, make sure they were taking care of their guys,

505
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: and they're doing a much better job of that. We'll

506
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: see if they can continue that going forward. But you know,

507
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: had they been more in this current mode, the twenty

508
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: twenty two off season, I don't think would have been

509
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: nearly as bad when they had. I forget the numbers,

510
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: it was probably fifteen to twenty guys that bailed in

511
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 3: the portal. So yeah, it's they've definitely taken steps in

512
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: the right direction.

513
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: What you're describing is essentially a less stubborn version of

514
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney.

515
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: A little bit Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's how it feels.

516
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: I've been critical of Oklahoma State in the past. Dan

517
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: knows this, anybody who listened to the show knows it.

518
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: But to be clear, I'm a big fan of the

519
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: opportunity in front of them starting this year because both

520
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Texas leave the conference. It does feel from

521
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: AFAR a little like the Big twelve has fallen off

522
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: the back of a truck and it's just kind of

523
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: their like, whoever wants to go out and claim it

524
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: can go out, could claim it because it feels like

525
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: maybe the most wide open conference in college football. The

526
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: schedule is not easy, but I would say definitely easier

527
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: than it's been with both Texas and Oklahoma on it.

528
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: The path is now wider into the playoffs. As we

529
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: described earlier, is this a moment for Oklahoma State that

530
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: they recognize, like, how are they treating this moment in

531
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: time in the football program? Because it seems like, amid

532
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: everything else changing for them, just standing pat and doing

533
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: what they do may put them at an advantageous spot. Yeah.

534
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: They they absolutely understand what they're what they're walking into.

535
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: And you know, it was it was really interesting because

536
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: everything that happened with with OU and Texas coincided with

537
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty one season that Oklahoma State had, and

538
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, here they are.

539
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: They've already arrived.

540
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: They're going to be the torch bearer of the new

541
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: Big Twelve. When Ou and Texas were gone, then twenty

542
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: twenty two was a really rough year. It was like, well,

543
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: maybe it's not so. I mean, literally, after twenty twenty one,

544
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: I was writing about how OSU and Baylor We're going

545
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: to be the long standing rivalry at the top of

546
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: the Big Twelve, and then they both that horrible twenty

547
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: two seasons. So but Oklahoma State bounced back. Obviously it's

548
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: going to be this is going to be a challenging conference.

549
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: Not in the way that that it was with Ou

550
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: and Texas, but in the way of there's just there's

551
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: not a bad team in this conference. There's not a

552
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: there's not going to be a week off. You know,

553
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: you always used to have Kansas that everybody looked forward

554
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: to the quote unquote bye week of playing the Jayhawks

555
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: to win fifty six to three and get some guys

556
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: healthy and move on down the road. And that doesn't

557
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: exist in this league. Anymore. You know, we'll if maybe

558
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: there there turns out to be somebody that that falls

559
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: into into that role, but you just it's hard to

560
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: envision that right now. So it's going to be very challenging.

561
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: And there's going to be years probably where where you know,

562
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: two or three losses is going to get you not

563
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: only in the title game, you might win the title

564
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: and and and uh, you know be the king of

565
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: the Hill for that year. So it's going to be

566
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: a really fun conference to watch. It's it's going to

567
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: be challenging to to get through week to week. But

568
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: to answer your question, yes, Oklahoma State does understand the

569
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: situation that they're in and and what is at their feet.

570
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: If they can they can capitalize on it and maintain

571
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: a level of consistency that keeps them in that in

572
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: that spot from a year to year basis.

573
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: We've talked about a number of the changes facing the

574
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: sport obviously which faces Oklahoma State new Big twelve and

575
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: il transfer portal. Obviously, there's there's things have right now

576
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: in d C with the you know, the house bellt

577
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: like how much guess does Mike Gundhy have left in

578
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 2: the tank as somebody who is sort of, you know,

579
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: a self proclaimed traditionalist and is trying to adapt to

580
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: the times. We're also in an era where a number

581
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: of lifer coaches have said this is not necessarily a

582
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: long term thing for me, and you know, they got

583
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: into the into coaching to coach football and not worry about,

584
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, all the extraneous stuff. Uh does this feel

585
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: at all like, you know, the the end of the

586
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: Gundhy era in some respects or does he seem as

587
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: energized as ever?

588
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: He seems really energized right now, And I can't explain

589
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: what exactly has has sort of turned him since the

590
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: you know, you know, twenty two was a really rough year.

591
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: Twenty three was was obviously a great bounce back for them.

592
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: So maybe it's as simple as that that he you know,

593
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: there were a lot of guys on that on that

594
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: twenty two team that were you know, not great locker

595
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: room guys, and you know, going back to twenty one

596
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: was maybe the most fun he has had as a coach,

597
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: based on the way he talks, because the guys on

598
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: that team, particularly on that defense, were just so fun

599
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: to coach. And then a lot of those guys weren't

600
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: gone graduated, and so twenty two, their leadership wasn't great.

601
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: They had they had some some locker room cancers that

602
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: you know, ended up leaving in the portal after that year,

603
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: and they really rebuilt the culture pretty quickly for twenty three,

604
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: and I think that he got back to having fun now.

605
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: To answer your question, I really don't know, you know,

606
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: how long's he's willing to do this. I sort of thought,

607
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: you know, his son, Gunner was a red shirt sophomore

608
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: last year. I sort of thought maybe he'd get through

609
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: Gunner's career and then and then hang it up. But

610
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: obviously Gunner now is in the portal and looking for

611
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: a new place to play, which is not a not

612
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: an unhappy situation. He just he wants to go play somewhere.

613
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: And you know, his chances of being the starter at

614
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State's he's a good player, but not quite ready

615
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: to be the guy at Oklahoma State. So so it's

616
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: it's really hard to project with with Mike Gundy. You know,

617
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: he's still got his farm land outside of Stillwater and

618
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: loves to go and ride on his tractor and do

619
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: all those things. And there there could come a time

620
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: when just out of nowhere, He all of a sudden

621
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: decides he wants to go go be a farmer and

622
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: that's it. So it's really hard to project with the

623
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: with this guy.

624
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: What what kind of positioning is Oklahoma State in? They

625
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: haven't hired a new head football coach in twenty years.

626
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: As we open the show with what is the state

627
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: of that job? I'm not putting dirt on Mike Gundy's career,

628
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: but eventually it will happen. You know, how aligned are

629
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: things behind the scenes to make this as a tract

630
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: of a job, which I think it is as possible?

631
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: And where do you think this job sort of stands

632
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: the greater Big twelve or national scene in terms of

633
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: attractiveness and ceiling right now?

634
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: I think between the things that we talked about with

635
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: with Mike Gundy's longevity and the money that Boon Pickens

636
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: and then others have have brought into this program, I

637
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: do think it's very attractive and I think they've got

638
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: really good leadership right now. Chad Weiberg at athletic director

639
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: has you know, he's made a couple of hires now.

640
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: He had a men's basketball wrestling which is a really

641
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: big deal at Oklahoma State, So he's had some important

642
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: hires to make. Now you know, he's only in his

643
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: second third year now, coming into a third year on

644
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: the job, So to get a couple of those experiences

645
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: I think will be valuable for him whenever it comes

646
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: time to replace Mike Gundhy. So you know, I do

647
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: think this is a program that has good vision from

648
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: its leadership, a good understanding of what they can be.

649
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: So I think they'll be in a good spot. But

650
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: the danger is always going to be with Lome State,

651
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: at least at the point the way the landscape is

652
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: right now, with the SEC and Big Ten being what

653
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: they are, that you always have to worry that you

654
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: get a guy that's just looking to move on and

655
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: go on somewhere else after four or five successful years

656
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma State. So that'll be the big thing they've

657
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: got to try to guard against in the future.

658
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: The Polks finish the season in Boulder. How do we

659
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: begin a wrestling style rivalry between Mike Gundy and Dion

660
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: Sanders when you have two of the biggest personalities in

661
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: the sport combative electric? How do we lay the groundwork

662
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: so that people cannot stop reading your articles about this

663
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: feud that we are going to start right here on

664
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: the show between Mike Gundy and Dion Sanders.

665
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 3: Listen, the Big Twelve has got to get on board

666
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: with this. They they've already messed up the Big Twelve

667
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: media days. They have them. There's two days, and they

668
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: have them on separate days. Why do you not have

669
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: both of those guys the building together the very first

670
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: day that you're introducing this brand new conference. It's a

671
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: missed opportunity. I'm I'm looking forward to to how this goes.

672
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: And you know, Gundhi is one of those guys that

673
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 3: that loves to be a little bit subtle, not quite

674
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: as subtle as he thinks with things that he says

675
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: in the media. So so when when Coach Prime is

676
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: is uh, you know, running on about things, Gundy is

677
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: going to want to comment and it's it's going to

678
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 3: be fantastic. It's it's just going to be so exciting

679
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: to have those two guys. From every story that I've

680
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: written that that, like, from the time the schedule was

681
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 3: released or when they just announced the opponents, everything I've

682
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: every headline has included Deon Sanders and Mike Gundy in

683
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: the headline. Just so so people are aware that this

684
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: is going on.

685
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: I think you need to start making up quotes. I

686
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: need you need to start ethically throwing out everything you've

687
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: learned and everything that you need to adhere to legally

688
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: for your newspaper. It's time to just turn this into

689
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: to a full WWE situation. And you are at the

690
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: middle of it. I think this is this is the

691
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: new move. Don't take any of my advice. It's all terrible.

692
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: Sorry time, I'm all four it though. I'll fire it

693
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: up for this Yeacott Dan brings up.

694
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Speaker 1: The end of the schedule. The first half of the

695
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: schedule is quietly kind of tough. It is Utah at home,

696
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: k State on the road in that first month of

697
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: the season, yead in West Virginia. There's an Arkansas game

698
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: in there, and a season opener against the reigning SCS

699
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: national champ South Dakota State. As you look at the schedule,

700
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: and this is not a scheduled preview, this is not

701
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: a team preview, but which of those games, maybe in

702
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: the first half, are blinking red lights for you? As

703
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: those games we need to watch a little bit more closely.

704
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: Well as weird as it is to say I mean,

705
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 3: South Dakota State is coming in with a twenty nine

706
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: game winning streak. You're very good that is going to

707
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: be you know, obviously this game was scheduled before that

708
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: winning streak even started, has been on the schedule for

709
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: a few years now, so you had no idea they

710
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 3: were going to be this good. I would say, if

711
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: my gutty had the option that he would he would

712
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 3: opt out of this game and get Arkansas Pine Bluff

713
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: or somebody in town for that opener. Now, but that's

714
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: going to be a fascinating game. You know, the the

715
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: the Arkansas rivalry kind of rebuilding here that was a

716
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: big deal back in the eighties. Rebuilding that is there's

717
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: a lot of excitement around that. But that that Utah

718
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 3: game and in Kansas State game that you mentioned, both

719
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 3: are are very intriguing to me because those are two

720
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 3: teams that I think are going to be there at

721
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: the end of the year, and it's not going to

722
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: feel like you know, it's not going to feel like

723
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: a mid November game, but it's going to have the

724
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 3: importance of of that mid November game playing for your

725
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: your spot in the Big twelve title game. When you

726
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: when you go up against those two teams. So I'm

727
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: I'm really intrigued by by both of those. Kansas State

728
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 3: is a is a team that has given oklahom State

729
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: a lot of trouble lately. You know, the the twenty

730
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 3: twenty two game going up there and getting smacked around

731
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: forty to nothing when Oklahoma State was in the top

732
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: ten at that time, and that was the beginning of

733
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: that season crumbling. So yeah, going up there is always

734
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: tough for this program. So you look at those two games,

735
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: you know, I think, I think if you made a

736
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 3: list of the top four contenders for the Big twelve title,

737
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: o Issu, Utah, and Kansas State are probably all in there,

738
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: and maybe throw in Arizona. I don't know where Kansas

739
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: and Kansas. I can't make up my mind about Kansas yet,

740
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: but but yeah, so it's those are going to be

741
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 3: really important games right out at the gate.

742
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: Last question, we have these four new fan bases. We've

743
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: asked all of these the people representing you know, the

744
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: schools and these stories for food recommendations. We've got Arizona schools,

745
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: Colorado fans, and Utah fans that will slowly be trickling

746
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 2: into still water.

747
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: Just a warning.

748
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: Where should they be eating, what should they be experiencing

749
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: to uh, to enjoy their new conference mate.

750
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: Now, if you're talking about still Water, I've got to

751
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: give there's two recommendations I'm like just required to throw.

752
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: Out to you.

753
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: Number one is Eskimo Joe's. It's kind of the college pub.

754
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's going to be really packed on

755
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 3: game days. But if you come in on a Friday,

756
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: maybe maybe try to check that out. I recommend making

757
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: cheeseburger and the cheese fries great. And if you can't

758
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: get in there, right around the corner from that is

759
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: Hideaway Pizza. Fun fact about Hideaway Pizza. They've branched out

760
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: around Oklahoma now, but the still Water location did not

761
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: use the same They did not share the crust recipe

762
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: with all the branch locations, so the original Hideaway Pizza

763
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: crust only available in stat. And the third place that

764
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: is not as well known that I always recommend to

765
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: people as a place called ty Loco. It's a little

766
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: taco shop that does some Asian fusion things with some tacos.

767
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: That is fantastic.

768
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: All right, I've got a test now to see how

769
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: deep into Oklahoma state you are. Is this baseball team

770
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: only going to go as far as Brian Holiday and

771
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: samgar see it can take them, or is there something

772
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: back half of this schedule to keep Oklahoma State going?

773
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: You know, if you had asked me that question at

774
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: this time yesterday, yeah, I probably would have agreed. Then

775
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 3: Carson Binge went out and pitched really well against Texas

776
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: Tech last night. He's only made three starts here then,

777
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: all within the last month, and he's been really good.

778
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: So if he gives.

779
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: Them another another good starter, I think they've got a

780
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: chance to get a little bit farther. But they've had

781
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: real trouble getting out of their own regional the last

782
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: few years, so they've got to They've got to get things.

783
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: On track there, got to wake up the bats. Okay, exactly,

784
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 2: all right, he passed the test with flying colors. Scott Wright,

785
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Covers Oklahoma State for the Oklahoma

786
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: and thank you so much for all of your time.

787
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: And I guess the actual final question is will it

788
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: ever happen for Oklahoma State? In your opinion? Will it happen?

789
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, is there a definition of it?

790
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: A Big twelve title in the new look Big twelve

791
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: as you find it. You know, winning the twelve is

792
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: the it for Oklahoma State.

793
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: Yes, I think it will happen. I think they've got

794
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: a really good chance this year, all the returning starters, defense,

795
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: making the move. I think this is a good chance

796
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: it happens this year.

797
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: Scott Right, thank you so much for all of your

798
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: time and insight.

799
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely thanks guys.

800
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Dann, there you go, Scott Wright. Check him out

801
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: at the Oklahoma And I like that you gave him

802
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: a little impromptu baseball tribe there.

803
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to get him with a gotcha and I

804
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: did not get him because he's great baseball team playing well.

805
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's a good stretch this spring for the Pokes

806
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: on the baseball field can make their way to Omaha.

807
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: Potentially they're I think top twenty ish at time of recording,

808
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: so maybe they can get on a roll here some

809
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: good pitching, it appears.

810
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: Would love to see it.

811
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: Why not. We'll see what happens. So full disclosure, we're

812
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: recording this a little bit early. We don't have to

813
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: record a Memorial Day, which is when we would normally

814
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: record on a Monday, so we're doing this before the

815
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend. Hopefully nothing changed with the baseball program.

816
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: Hopefully there aren't any gigantic breaking stories with Oklahoma State

817
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: football as it were. I feel like, of the episodes

818
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: we've done in this series, will it ever happen? For whoever?

819
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: We've had the good fortune of talking to many experts

820
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: who are smarter about their respective teams than you and I.

821
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I got the most out of this one,

822
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: and it's definitely it's only because personally, as I described

823
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: top of the show, I've been on this roller coaster

824
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: with the Pokes where I just never really know how

825
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: to feel about where things stand. But I thought his

826
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: insight into how Gundhy is treating the portal and Nil

827
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: was super helpful to understand the ecosystem. I thought his

828
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: understanding of how they are approaching this moment they understand

829
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: it's an opportunity given the state of play in the

830
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: Big Twelve, that was really helpful to understanding again this ecosystem.

831
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: I just feel like I came out of that learning

832
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: a lot more than I did going in. So I'm grateful. Discott.

833
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Oklahoma State to me has been a program

834
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: defined by star power, and so that's why I was

835
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: especially interested to hear what Scott had to Stay had

836
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: to say about it. Excuse me, because he's right that

837
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: at receiver when they have that go to guy, that

838
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: gravitational player like Junkyard Jim James Washington most certainly was,

839
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: and they've had that guy at running back. Weirdly enough,

840
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: they've had two of those guys recently. That it's not

841
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: the most efficient rushing attack, but when they get a

842
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: little spit of space, they grab a lot of space.

843
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: In Oli Gordon and Chewba Hubbard sort of the Bryce

844
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: Love All Stars. It's fun to see an Oklahoma State team,

845
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: especially given what that stadium can look like when they're

846
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: really strong. But yeah, the star power thing to me,

847
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 2: and we'll see if Colin Oliver gets back to form

848
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: now that he's back on the edge, because I remember

849
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: great freshman year. What quieter last year. I just if

850
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: they have the dudes, they're a contender. If they just

851
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: have guys, they sort of get a lot quieter. And

852
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: so it seemed like, as Scott mentioned, when Ollie Gordon

853
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: got going last year, they rode that that potential, They

854
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: rode that star power, which is great to.

855
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: See just on a personal level again place with Oklahoma State,

856
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: because it's been a ride for me.

857
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: This is seven year Alan Bowman. By the way, I

858
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: cannot believe we are still saying that name on the show.

859
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: British comedy legend Alan Bowman. Yes, the longest running joke

860
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: maybe we've ever had on this show at this point.

861
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: On a personal level though, with Oklahoma State, yeah, I

862
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: was listening for signals flags that would indicate to me

863
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: whether my criticism of the program over the years has

864
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: been justified or not. And what I got out of

865
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: that is kind of yes, kind of yes. Right, I

866
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: feel more informed now, but kind of yes. And it

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Speaker 1: seems like others within the fan base have also been there. Again,

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Speaker 1: it's a ten was balanced between revered and wearing out

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Speaker 1: your welcome and Scott eluded, Gundhi's in there, and it

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Speaker 1: depends who you talk to. Yeah, but this will be

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Speaker 1: a pivotal year.

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Speaker 2: You can ask our wives we are we are in

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Speaker 2: that balance as well all the time, man, all the.

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Speaker 1: Time, yeah, all the time.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Ihympathize, Yeah, I was. I was down

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Speaker 2: on Oklahoma State last year. You were down in Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: State last year and.

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Speaker 1: Until the bye week though after the bye week.

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Speaker 2: Got element well, they went. They beat the Kansas Kansas State.

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Speaker 2: Kansas State was Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: They beat him on like a Thursday night. I remember

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Speaker 1: watching that game up and up in the room as

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Speaker 1: I'm falling asleep, and I'm like, what is going on

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Speaker 1: with this Oklahoma State team. It feels a completely different

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Speaker 1: version of what we had seen the first three four weeks,

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Speaker 1: the year, whatever it was. And from that point forward,

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Speaker 1: I was in. But before that I was I was

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Speaker 1: approaching the posts with a healthy amount of skepticism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the the Oklahoma State fans who know

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Speaker 2: way more than we do about their own school. They

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Speaker 2: were quick to say, like, as soon as you think

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Speaker 2: Homa State's down, that's when Gundhi pulls out in eight

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Speaker 2: and four, nine and three here. And as soon as

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Speaker 2: you think they're gonna be good, that's when they go

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Speaker 2: six and six. And so that's for better or worse,

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Speaker 2: the Mike Gundy Oklahoma State experience, I suppose.

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Speaker 1: Well, Scott's in on him. He's in on him this year.

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Speaker 1: That week one game, do not count out South Dakota State,

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Speaker 1: the Mighty jack Rabbits, who, as Scott said, are on

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Speaker 1: a pretty good winning streak, so uh look forward to

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Speaker 1: having him back at some point in the future. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was great to get his perspective. Would obviously welcome

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Speaker 1: your perspective out there, mister and missus verballerhood. Sure right,

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Speaker 1: that's not a thing, but no, that was great, roll

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Speaker 1: with it. Solid verbal at gmail dot com is our

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Speaker 1: John Cuverballer, John cuver Baller, thank you. You can write

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Speaker 1: in on the email soliverblegmail dot com. Hit us up

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Speaker 1: across all of our social media channels. We've been posting

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Speaker 1: like crazy here in the off season and we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to rev things up the deeper we get into May

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Speaker 1: and obviously through the summer. Follow hit subscribe so that

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Speaker 1: they don't miss any of what we are doing. And

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Speaker 1: of these off season topics that have been thrown about

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Speaker 1: We've got legal ees that at some point we need

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Speaker 1: to dive into and explain this whole house versus NCAA

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Speaker 1: settlement that's gonna, I think, have a pretty sizable impact

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Speaker 1: on the sport that we love. We will save that

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Speaker 1: for a time at some point in the very very

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Speaker 1: near future. But for now, for that guy over there,

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Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hildebrand, thanks

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Speaker 1: Stay solid, Peace,