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Speaker 3: later on, as we discuss the future of the Golden

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Speaker 3: State Warriors. The art is formally known as the Golden

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Speaker 3: State Warriors, the Jimmy Butler Injury. And if you're Golden

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Speaker 3: State Steph Curry, is this the way you're going to

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Speaker 3: go out? Is this the way it ends in a

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Speaker 3: couple of years? And there's the possibility of maybe trading

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Speaker 3: Jonathan cominga, But who are you bringing in? And is

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Speaker 3: that enough? In a very very difficult Western Conference. Jason Garrett,

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Speaker 3: who interviewed for a job head coaching job in Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: he will join us on loan from Football Night in America,

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Speaker 3: former Cowboys head coach, and the Giants already get a victory.

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Speaker 3: They won the press conference apparently yesterday with John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 3: Harball was introduced as the new head coach. And it's weird,

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Speaker 3: how if we looked at the Giants, Let's say Brian

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Speaker 3: Dable was back next year, we would look at the

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Speaker 3: Giants and go, Okay, there's potential. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you bring in John Harbaugh, We're going, man, he can

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Speaker 3: maybe turn it around like Mike Brabel. Maybe you got

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Speaker 3: a similar situation there. And Rabel, who is not as

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Speaker 3: charismatic as his brother, had this to say about ready to.

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Speaker 2: Win John, how do you build a winning culture? And

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Speaker 2: how long will it take for this team to win?

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Speaker 4: The second part is impossible to say, but I'm planning

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Speaker 4: on day one, so that's what we're shooting for. That's

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Speaker 4: what we're working for and fully expected to happen.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I'm ready to go. Giant's gonna get a turnaround.

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Speaker 3: Feels like we have one or two of those teams

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Speaker 3: every year. And he's also very excited to coach Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about Jackson Dart, you know. And you build

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Speaker 4: your team around your quarterback. I like the way he

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Speaker 4: plays malec, his talent, skill set, all things accomplished. But

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Speaker 4: more than that, I like who he is and what

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Speaker 4: he's about to me's about football. I mean this, This

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Speaker 4: young guy loves football. He wants to talk football all

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Speaker 4: the time. And that's kind of what I like doing too.

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Speaker 4: So I think we're gonna have a lot of great conversations.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to get started with him.

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Speaker 3: All right, channeling a little Jim Harball there. He liked football,

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Speaker 3: I like talking football. We're gonna talk football, yes, seton.

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Speaker 2: How do you know that you met him two days ago?

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Speaker 3: Well maybe that's all they talked about was football. He

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Speaker 3: liked football. I like football. We're gonna talk football. It

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Speaker 3: feels like, and let me let me rephrase this is

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Speaker 3: he's not a character like his brother. He's got charisma,

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Speaker 3: he's just not a character like Jim is but great

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Speaker 3: head coach. But all of a sudden you look at

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Speaker 3: the Giants differently. I think because John Harball, because they're

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Speaker 3: going to talk football. They're going to win football. That's

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Speaker 3: what they do. By the way, Jim Harball hired Mike McDaniel,

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Speaker 3: the former Dolphins head coach, or at least he's going

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Speaker 3: to Mike McDaniel. Now the headline is going to read

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Speaker 3: differently than I'm interpreting this, and that is Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 3: turned down an opportunity to interview for the Cleveland Browns job.

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Speaker 3: I think what he did is he took his name out.

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Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you're not going to get a job,

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Speaker 3: but you want to take your name out before somebody

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Speaker 3: going to hire Mike McDaniel in Cleveland. They've had a

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Speaker 3: second interviews. Mike would have been a curiosity. Hey, come

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Speaker 3: on in, what do you think of our quarterbacks here?

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Speaker 2: What would you do?

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Speaker 3: With this offense here, and I think the Chargers did

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Speaker 3: a great, great hire bringing in McDaniel to help Justin

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Speaker 3: Herbert and Mike McDaniel was coveted as an offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a great hire. And he goes to

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Speaker 3: the Chargers. Brown's still searching for their head coach. But

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Speaker 3: you know, you still start with Buffalo because these Bills

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Speaker 3: fans are not letting it go. They're looking for every angle.

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Speaker 3: Is there a new angle with that interception? There's got

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Speaker 3: to be NFL films put out an angle. It's not

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Speaker 3: any different than what we saw over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: What Paul Dan not according to Bill supporters.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, Bill supporters need to have this realization. Your

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Speaker 3: best player didn't play his best and he cost you

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Speaker 3: that game. Because if he makes a couple of plays,

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Speaker 3: you win.

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Speaker 2: That's it. You win. It doesn't come.

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Speaker 3: Don't blame the officials, blame Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Start there. He did not have a good game.

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Speaker 3: A couple interceptions, an overthrow that would have won the

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Speaker 3: game or put him in a position to win the game,

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Speaker 3: a fumble at the end of the first half. That's

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Speaker 3: on him, It's not on the officials. And it's easy

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Speaker 3: to blame and it's tough. It's tough to sit here

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Speaker 3: and go, why aren't we playing this weekend? We are

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Speaker 3: better than Denver, and maybe you were except for Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen didn't play like Josh Allen normally does. That's the

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Speaker 3: reality of this. There's no other way to spin this.

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Speaker 3: You want to blame the officials And is it a

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Speaker 3: tough call? Yeah, in the moment, I thought there's no

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Speaker 3: way that that's an interception. When they called it an interception,

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Speaker 3: I said, there's no way they overturn it. And even

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow hasn't tweeted since August. John Burrow said, hey,

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Speaker 3: get over it. The call was correct, Yeah, Pauline.

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrow's tweet was the amount of people that don't

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Speaker 5: understand what a catch is in the rule book flabbergasty.

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Speaker 5: And it's not the officials. The two plays yesterday he

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Speaker 5: talked about the one in the Bears game in the

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Speaker 5: Bills game were not difficult calls and they got him

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Speaker 5: both right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So if I'm a Buffalo Bills fan, it's tough

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Speaker 2: to swallow. This was your year.

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Speaker 3: It cost you your head, coach, head coach reportedly had

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Speaker 3: issues with the roster with their GM, and I think

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Speaker 3: that that's a bigger issue where ownership in GM probably

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Speaker 3: got together and said, well, wait a minute, that this

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Speaker 3: guy didn't like what we're doing and we need to

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Speaker 3: move on from him. Non paraphrasing there. But I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have fired Mike. I wouldn't have fired Sean McDermott. It's

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Speaker 3: really hard to be consistently good in the league, and

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Speaker 3: he was consistently good. Now you can say, is he

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Speaker 3: going to be good enough to get us to a

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl? I didn't think the roster was great. Well,

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Speaker 3: who built the roster? Your GM did, But we blame Oh,

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Speaker 3: we didn't get to the next level. Well, who are

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Speaker 3: you blaming? It's usually the coach and we're in a

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Speaker 3: day and age where man, what have you done for

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Speaker 3: me lately?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Kind of been good for a decade here. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: you know we had some fumbles and some interception. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't do that. Yeah, we got to blame

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Speaker 3: somebody here. But FLOW fans may not like it, but

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Speaker 3: don't be blaming the officials. Blame yourself because you easily

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Speaker 3: could have won that game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Pauling I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think it's going to go that way for the

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Speaker 5: Buffalo fans. I think they're gonna latch onto this video

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Speaker 5: and this play and this bad call in their mind

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Speaker 5: forever until they win a super Bowl like Dallas with

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Speaker 5: the des Bryant thing more than a decade ago. The

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Speaker 5: further they get from the Super Bowl, the bigger this

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Speaker 5: play will stick in their cross.

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Speaker 3: Well, is this the modern day Scott Norwood missed field goal?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you could blame it on somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just think it's gonna stay for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it shouldn't. It shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: It's unfortunate though, but you know, with Sean McDermott, I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's an impressive resume. Who's coming in? Who is your

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Speaker 3: guy coming in? Because he has to get to the

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Speaker 3: FC title game?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: Who's coming in in Baltimore? You got to get to

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Speaker 3: the AFC title game. I think the expectation level is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Even Pittsburgh, you got to make the playoffs unless there's

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Speaker 3: an announcement of hey we're going to renovate here, we got

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Speaker 2: But Pittsburgh's not going to do that.

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Speaker 3: And the Chiefs, you know Mahomes will be coming back eventually,

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Speaker 3: so you're still gonna have to deal with him. Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow in the Bengals might stay healthy. Is Jacksonville for real?

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Speaker 3: Denver is going to be there, Chargers coming back. There'll

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Speaker 3: be an outlier that you go, Wow, that team is

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Speaker 3: on the rise here. But these coaching you know, when

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Speaker 3: you start to point fingers, man, it's tough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ton, And if.

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Speaker 7: The league just recycles or recirculates coaches that just had

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Speaker 7: a job, who is left?

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Speaker 5: That's so juicy.

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Speaker 7: That is the answer.

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Speaker 2: In Buffalo.

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Speaker 7: If they're not going to find some hidden character, hidden

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Speaker 7: candidate that we haven't really already mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Well, you might find somebody. But you go in and

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Speaker 3: what's the expectation level. You know, Robert saala is taking

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Speaker 3: over Tennessee, what's the expectation level?

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Speaker 2: Five wins? Six wins? That's about it.

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Speaker 3: But if you're taking over a team like Baltimore with

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, a team like Buffalo with Josh Allen, we

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Speaker 3: are making the playoffs? And how far are we going

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs? Even Pittsburgh, Hey, you wanted Mike Tomlin out.

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Speaker 3: All he did is win got you to the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: maybe overachieved this year. But and for the life of me,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why the Steelers would say, hey, we're

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Speaker 3: open to bringing back Aaron Rodgers. Shouldn't that be up

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Speaker 3: to the head coach who hasn't been hired, so now

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, coach comes in, he'll be the

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Speaker 3: bad guy, when really the front office shouldn't be saying

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Speaker 3: anything about Aaron Rodgers or just saying, hey, there's you know,

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Speaker 3: we're open to possibilities here, but the head coach and

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Speaker 3: the GM should have that, you know, make that decision.

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Speaker 3: You can't put that on a guy who hadn't even

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Speaker 3: taken the job yet all of a sudden. Brian Flores

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Speaker 3: goes in. First question is what are you doing with

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers? I don't know, not bringing him back? And

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Speaker 3: if you are bringing him back, what's that say about

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Speaker 3: you know, your immediate future? Like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: It's just the deep end is where the great teams are.

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Speaker 3: You're in the kiddie pool. You're in a pool. You're

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Speaker 3: just not where you need to be. And you bring

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Speaker 3: back Aaron Rodgers, you know that doesn't I don't have

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Speaker 3: a rush of confidence when I go Yeah, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 3: played okay this year, probably better than a lot of

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Speaker 3: people thought. But if I'm Pittsburgh, I want to know

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Speaker 3: But that's what Baltimore's done, That's what Buffalo has done. Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's great, Good for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paully.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they are.

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Speaker 3: Todd called it the NFL's version of Stranger Things. You know,

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Speaker 3: You watched Stranger Things throughout? Did you watch all of it?

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Speaker 3: an hour from now, Reggie Miller will stop by as well. Seaton,

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Speaker 3: you want to give that analogy of Buffalo Bills fans.

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Speaker 8: To They sound a lot like I'm just trying to

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Speaker 8: the Rich Eisen Show post Celebrity Family review.

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Speaker 2: Not now.

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Speaker 8: They were blaming and they were blaming the officials, they

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Speaker 8: blaming the fans. The lights and the thing were too much,

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Speaker 8: Burrow tweeted after that, you guys don't know the rules.

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Speaker 2: Sorry you lost?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Rich Eisen Show post Celebrity Family feud.

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Speaker 8: It's very much like what the Buffalo Bills and their

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Speaker 3: Oh, you guys got away with something like the rules

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Speaker 2: And they're complaining while we're going, yeah, you know, they're going,

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Speaker 2: you got away with it. We went cheated, cheated, that

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Speaker 2: should have been a catch. Was fixed? This is fixed?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, from what I recall, there was no There

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't make up the rules, we just abided

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Speaker 2: That's all blaming you. Is there one play it's sad?

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Speaker 3: Is there one play in your team's history though that

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Speaker 3: what this sport is like the Cleveland Browns with Ernest

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Speaker 3: Biner with the fumble. Is there one play where you go,

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Speaker 2: And everybody seems to have something like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paulie, mine's not a Chicago one. Mineus No Dame.

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Speaker 5: USC two thousand and five, Matt Lioner gets pushed in

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Speaker 7: Todd the Broncos double overtime loss in Denver to the

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Speaker 3: Well, if you got a play that you can't move

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Speaker 1: Brother?

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Speaker 2: Good? Good, good good?

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Speaker 10: Long time first time? Are one sixty five sixty two

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Speaker 2: Hard?

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Speaker 10: Thank you?

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Speaker 7: Sure?

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Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, Dale, Yes, Tod, I.

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Speaker 7: Appreciate the sentiments by Dyal in California, but do not

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Speaker 3: Here is Mike Rabel, the Patriots head coach, on Jared Stidham.

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Speaker 11: Ironic, you know, just speaking with his agent, they're like, well,

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Speaker 11: if you don't want, you're starting to get hurt.

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Speaker 11: That was before you know, yesterday or two days ago,

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Speaker 2: We went back and watched.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Pete. What's on your mind today?

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Speaker 12: So far this week could spend a terribly negative time

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Speaker 2: It was a wonderful.

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Speaker 3: get that opportunity to have another wonderful weekend in Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Well we do. On those Mondays, we look at the

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Speaker 3: team that lost. Normally you look at the team that

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Speaker 3: lost because their season is over. Seattle will not get

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Speaker 3: the credit that it deserves for this entire season until

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Speaker 3: they get to the super Bowl and win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Not fair.

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Speaker 3: But this comes down to your quarterback, Sam Darnold. We

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Speaker 3: want to see if you can do it in a

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Speaker 3: big moment. That's all and then hopefully if he does

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Speaker 3: it in a big moment, Seattle gets its followers here.

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Speaker 3: But this has been about the other teams and head

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Speaker 3: coaching vacancies, those fired, those hired, and then it's oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, we got football coming up this weekend

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Speaker 3: with Seattle hosting the Rams, and I've got the Rams

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Speaker 3: getting two and a half against Seattle. The Patriots is

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Speaker 3: still favored by five and a half in Denver. I

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Speaker 3: have DraftKings just sent me this early Super Bowl lines.

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Speaker 3: If Seattle faced the Patriots, Seattle against New England, Seattle

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Speaker 3: would be favored by three and a half. If the

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Speaker 3: Rams face the Patriots, according to DraftKings, the Rams would

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Speaker 3: be favored by three. If the Seahawks played the Broncos

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Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, Seattle would be favored by nine

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Speaker 3: and a half. If the Rams played the Broncos, the

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Speaker 3: Rams would be favored by eight and a half. No respect, nope, none,

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Speaker 3: whatsoever that Seattle and New England, they had been the

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Speaker 3: betting favorites when the playoffs started to go to the

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl, and Seattle would be a three and a

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Speaker 3: half point favorede against New England. The Rams would be

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Speaker 3: a three point favorite against New England. Let's see Doug

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Speaker 3: in North Carolina.

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Speaker 13: Hi, Doug, Hey, Dan, I have a biased question for you.

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Speaker 13: As a lifelong Lions fan, I love Matt Stafford. He'll

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Speaker 13: always hold a special place in my heart. I think

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Speaker 13: he's truly a genuine guy. Conversely, I hate Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 13: I don't think I've ever hated a professional athlete as

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Speaker 13: much as I hate Aaron Rodgers. I don't even hate

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Speaker 13: as a kid that Russian who beaten killed Apollo pre

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Speaker 13: as much as I hate Aaron Rodgers. But my question is,

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Speaker 13: if Matt wins a second Super Bowl, does he surpass

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Speaker 13: Aaron Rodgers on that ranking of the all time greats?

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Speaker 3: Probably not, because of the MVPs. And and you can

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Speaker 3: talk to the old school football you know, player or coach,

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Speaker 3: and they talk about Stafford is like, now he's Paul Bunyan,

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Speaker 3: like he survived, he was tough, you know, throwing the football.

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Speaker 2: Like they do compliment him.

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Speaker 3: They don't compliment him the way they do Aaron Rodgers Rogers, Oh,

485
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Speaker 3: he's the most talented player to ever play that position.

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Speaker 3: Stafford is. And then you find out that some of

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Speaker 3: these newer quarterbacks admired Matthew Stafford, like that's their idol.

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Speaker 2: That's what's interesting.

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Speaker 3: But Aaron Rodgers will be more highly thought of because

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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford's not decorated during the regular season, not decorated,

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Speaker 3: and Aaron Rodgers certainly was. Ann Rodgers did have the

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Speaker 3: one super Bowl but yeah another one. Yeah, okay, but

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Speaker 3: I would say Rodgers would be more highly thought of, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 2: And Stafford was never thought of as the best quarterback

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, where Aaron Rodgers was for a period

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Speaker 2: of time. Yeah. Ryan in Detroit, Hi, Ray, Hey, thanks

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Speaker 2: for calling me back again. Dan. Yep.

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Speaker 6: Perhaps Doug is bitter at Aaron Rodgers because he's a

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Speaker 6: Lions fan and was getting beat up all those years,

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Speaker 6: but that's not the reason I called. My question to

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Speaker 6: you is about all the coaching changes, and I think

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Speaker 6: one thing we're leaving out is the impact of the fans.

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Speaker 6: The owners. They're going to make all their money no

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Speaker 6: matter what, and they keep changing, and I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of it has to do with fan pressure because

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Speaker 6: the fans really want super Bowls, so all this change

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Speaker 6: is you know, likely part of that pressure is in

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Speaker 6: my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think all of these owners hope to win

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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. Certain you have certain owners who expect

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Speaker 3: to win a Super Bowl. I mean, Jerry Jones expects

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Speaker 3: to win a Super Bowl. Doesn't mean he's close to

513
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Speaker 3: doing it. Does Robert Kraft expect a Super Bowl this year?

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Speaker 3: I would imagine the Rams Seattle like you're expecting super bowls.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're doing that in Tennessee, Carolina, Tampa,

516
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Speaker 3: maybe Jacksonville. Your expectations are heightened. But in Buffalo you're

517
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Speaker 3: expecting it. In Baltimore you're expecting it. I don't know

518
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Speaker 3: if it's anything new. I just think it feels like

519
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Speaker 3: there's more coverage of the NFL, more opportunity for people

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Speaker 3: to have insight or sources that talk about these things

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Speaker 3: what happened behind closed doors. You know, growing up, you

522
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Speaker 3: never heard about any of this nothing, And we had

523
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Speaker 3: a couple of insiders like Will McDonough from the Boston Globe,

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Speaker 3: Jimmy the Greek kind of.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't a thing.

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Speaker 3: You just like, it's almost like there was a separation

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Speaker 3: of church and state, Like, you know, we shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: talking about those things behind the scenes. We should be

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Speaker 3: talking about what you see. But social media that's the

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Speaker 3: big that's the big separator.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, you can vent on social media.

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Speaker 3: Now anybody can have their voice heard, and maybe that's

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Speaker 3: what's different. But I don't know if they're If you

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Speaker 3: said to Buffalo fans, are you how confident are you

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Speaker 3: right now?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know who you're bringing in and is

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Speaker 3: he going to be an grade from Sean McDermott, and

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Speaker 3: how much time are you giving him? Because Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: just turned thirty. This is a tricky time. Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: at his age and the way he's playing now, and

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Speaker 3: you can say maybe the way he's not playing, injury prone,

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Speaker 3: not healthy last couple of years, seems like there's always

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Speaker 3: a problem with him and the offensive coordinator. They come

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Speaker 3: up small, you know, in big moments who's coming in

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Speaker 3: and you're going to change all of that with the

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Speaker 3: clock ticking on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. They're not

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Speaker 3: on rookie deals. They're going to have to extend Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: So you're walking in and it's one of those it's

551
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Speaker 3: like when you're jogging on treadmill and there's certain teams

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Speaker 3: that the treadmill is like it's two and a half

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Speaker 3: miles per hour. You're walking into Buffalo and Baltimore. Then

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Speaker 3: it's probably on fifteen and you're going to try to

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Speaker 3: catch up to it. That's going to be really, really difficult.

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Speaker 3: Imagine when you go in and it's year one and

557
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Speaker 3: you go, oh wait, we just made the playoffs. We

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Speaker 3: didn't get the AFC title game. My expectations for Buffalo

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Speaker 3: and Baltimore shouldn't change.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Nobody's taking a step back, but one of those two

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Speaker 3: teams has to lose and not make the Super Bowl. Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: you're coming in. It's a foregone conclusion. We're going to

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Speaker 3: make the playoffs, right until they announced that they're not.

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Speaker 3: You know that they're going to renovate there, remodel, rebuild.

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Speaker 3: Your expectation level is crazy. We'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 3: about the Baseball Hall of Fame because Andrew Jones got in,

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Speaker 3: Carlos Beltron got in, and there's still a guy that

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Speaker 3: to me should be in and maybe this is the

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Speaker 3: year that he gets in.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that coming up.

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Speaker 3: Also, your worst moment, the moment you can't move on from,

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Speaker 3: Like Buffalo fans not moving on from the interception, We'll

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Speaker 3: have that for you as well.

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Speaker 14: Denver to hit the first half. Detford has their big

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Speaker 14: lead of the night. They're up seventy one to fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: All right, our one poll question, Seaton, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Would you rather be the head coach of the Browns

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Speaker 8: or or an offensive coordinator somewhere else? Do you want

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Speaker 8: to get you want to guess these results?

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Speaker 2: Sixty five percent say an offensive coordinator someplace else.

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Speaker 8: That's that's kind of you, that's really kind of that's

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Speaker 8: eighty two percent would rather be the offensive coordinator somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Mike McDaniel was getting the Browns job,

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Speaker 3: but the fact that if you look at the headline,

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Speaker 3: he turns down or takes his name out of the

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Speaker 3: running for the Browns job, and he decides to take

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Speaker 3: the OC job with the Chargers. Baseball Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 3: this is what happens. We criticize who gets in, usually

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Speaker 3: like really, Andrew Jones, Carlos Beltron, it's a different baseball world. This,

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Speaker 3: This isn't the slam dunk. Of course, he's a Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famer. When you have to go, let me look

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Speaker 3: at the numbers. Andrew Jones is top five greatest defensive

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Speaker 3: center fielders of all time. Not a great hitter to

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Speaker 3: fifty four average. But if we factor in defense at

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Speaker 3: other positions like shortstop, second base catcher. Here's centerfield, and

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Speaker 3: I think we have a bias against center fielders. I think,

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Speaker 3: of all the positions in the Baseball Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 3: is center field? Are there fewer center fielders in the

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Speaker 3: Baseball Hall of Fame than any other position?

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Speaker 2: Could you check that?

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Speaker 3: Because I started to think about who's in as a

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Speaker 3: center fielder. Obviously Willie Mays is, yes.

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Speaker 2: Marvin Griffy and I'm drawing a blank.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but these are two center fielders, Carlos Beltron and

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Speaker 3: Andrew Jones. Andrew Jones played on those great Brave teams

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Speaker 3: and a great defensive player came up and I think

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Speaker 3: as a teenager playing in the World Series postseason, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Did he have over three hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty home runs? Carlos Beltron great hitter, great hitter, Yeah, Paulie.

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Speaker 5: I have Hall of Famers by position. According to the

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Speaker 5: National Baseball Hall of Fame, the fewest catchers with twenty.

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Speaker 5: Everyone's about the same though with center fielder, yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: twenty six, right fielder twenty nine, left fielder twenty three.

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Speaker 5: There's only nineteen third basemen, so by the numbers, third

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Speaker 5: baseman is the most.

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Speaker 3: Rare So, Carlos Veltron, nine time All Star, three time

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Speaker 3: goal Glove. And there are four players in history to

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Speaker 3: have twenty seven hits, four hundred home runs, three hundred

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Speaker 3: steals and score fifteen hundred runs Willie May's, Barry Bonds,

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Speaker 3: Alex Rodriguez.

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Speaker 2: So whoa stell of the day? Stan? Today? Stan out

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Speaker 2: of the day, SAA day. This is the stule of

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Speaker 2: the day America.

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Speaker 3: So out of those four players, Willie Mays was the

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Speaker 3: only one that wasn't under suspicion. I mean Cardinals Beltron

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Speaker 3: was part of the cheating scandal in Houston. I like, how,

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Speaker 3: well it was only for one year. Well, I don't

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Speaker 3: know where do we draw the line, Like, is that

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Speaker 3: cheating worse than steroids? You know, I'm glad I only

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Speaker 3: have to vote because you start to look at this

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Speaker 3: and you go, all right, how do.

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Speaker 2: We separate this? Like jose L Tuvay is going to

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Speaker 2: be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much of what he did was

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Speaker 3: due to cheating, but he was involved in it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I do feel like there's kind of a difference.

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Speaker 8: Maybe it's splitting hairs between introducing some form of technology

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Speaker 8: that helps you know what pitches are coming versus someone

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Speaker 8: taking steroids.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Beltron was a great hitter. I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Jones' career batting average two fifty four, lowest of

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Speaker 3: any Hall of Fame outfielder in history.

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Speaker 2: But he won ten gold gloves when it used.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter now nobody gets caught up

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Speaker 3: in gold gloves anymore. When's the last time somebody said,

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Speaker 3: you know, like Aeronato, man, he's a gold Okay, great,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know if it comes up where you're

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Speaker 3: going Molina gold glove. But it doesn't come up that

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Speaker 3: much anymore. And it used to be something that you know,

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Speaker 3: you took great pride in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Todd, you're more likely.

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Speaker 7: To call someone a five to two player than a

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Speaker 7: gold glove. That's even more special, more what people would

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Speaker 7: say about a player.

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Speaker 5: Yes, PAULI going back to Altuve with Houston, he had

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Speaker 5: six very good seasons. The problem is twenty seventeen he

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Speaker 5: was MVP. Twenty seventeen is the season they are caught cheating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad I don't have to vote, but

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Speaker 3: I will say this. Steve Garvey, you know, deserves to

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Speaker 3: be in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Ten time All Star.

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Speaker 3: I think his batting average like he's a two ninety

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Speaker 3: four maybe career hitter, and I think he hit fifty

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Speaker 3: points higher when he got into the postseason. He's a

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Speaker 3: former MVP, four time goal glove winner, played for the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers and the Padres. I'm missing something, and I know

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Speaker 3: he's up with the Veterans Committee. In fact, I think

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Speaker 3: he's kind of front and center and they vote in December.

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Speaker 3: I believe on that maybe he gets in.

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Speaker 2: Then. I think Tommy John is also mentioned in that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Paul again, ten time All Stars in any sport

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Speaker 5: make the Hall of Fame. You can't find one that didn't.

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Speaker 5: He also had two time NLCS MVP. He also won

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Speaker 5: the All Star Game MVP twice, which I know is

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Speaker 5: an exhibition, but it still goes on your resume.

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Speaker 3: Back when the All Star Game meant something. But ten

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Speaker 3: time All Star, four time goal glove Now. I did

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Speaker 3: talk to a source who said, when Garby's name come up,

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Speaker 3: it's like Benny Hannah. They chop him up defensively, to

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Speaker 3: which I said to my source, well, he won for

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Speaker 3: gold gloves.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, do we often bring up things like NLCS MVP

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Speaker 8: when talking about other Hall of Fame candidates, Well, I

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Speaker 8: feel like we do.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to bring up the further away

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Speaker 3: we get from your career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we do.

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Speaker 3: I saw Garvey, you know, in his prime, and I

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Speaker 3: think having that as an MVP ten times, let's say

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Speaker 3: just MVP and All Star. You don't have to mention

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Speaker 3: what he did in the postseason if you don't want to,

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Speaker 3: or the All Star Game.

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Speaker 2: That feels like that's Hall of Fame. Yeah, Todd?

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Speaker 7: Could you be too handsome for the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 7: Where the pressure is on the people making the bus?

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Speaker 7: How can we possibly capture that? They don't have to

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Speaker 7: worry about the big forearms? But you got to get the.

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Speaker 2: Face right, Todd. I'm in the Broadcasting Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 7: They probably should have not included you because it'd be

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Speaker 7: too hard to chisel.

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Speaker 2: But we're looking at right fair enough. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I just don't know that when we talk about say

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Speaker 8: like Bryce Harper, we're like, bust NLCS MVP, What are

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Speaker 8: you talking about?

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Speaker 2: He's been great.

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Speaker 8: I just I don't really see that as something that

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Speaker 8: we bring up unless we are trying to use it

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Speaker 8: as a metric. Should we bring up gold gloves? I

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Speaker 8: don't know, there's a lot of them, but we do.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you're gonna be like ten time gold Glover.

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Speaker 8: I mean people definitely say that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think anybody brings up who were the

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Speaker 3: gold Glove winners this year.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody cares.

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Speaker 8: I don't know who is the NLCS MVP in twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty four, Uh.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber exactly. Nobody, nobody knows, nobody cares.

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Speaker 3: But if we look back on the totality of your career,

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Speaker 3: I would think that you would you would want to

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Speaker 3: single out those things. We talk about postseason with pitchers,

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Speaker 3: So if you're great in the postseason as a hitter,

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Speaker 3: then we should highlight that. I don't have any problem

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Speaker 3: with that reminding people of that. Yeah, Paul, you could

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Speaker 3: almost cop Steve Gary be a little bit. Derek Jeeter,

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Speaker 3: big market, very good regular season, even better in the postseason. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but Jeter won a lot of World Series. That's the difference.

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Speaker 3: Coming up, Jason Garrett talk about the pressure on whoever

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Speaker 3: takes over in Buffalo and Baltimore and Pittsburgh Hour two

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Speaker 3: on this Wednesday, after this