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Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I heart radio. So

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Speaker 1: today I'm very excited about what we're talking about. We

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Speaker 1: are talking about Sex in the City because, as a

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Speaker 1: but we thought we would take a look at the show.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very excited about this for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: But one of them is Samantha and I are coming

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Speaker 1: from very different places, so I have very little experience

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Speaker 1: with this, and you, Samantha, you have a lot. And

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask as the question for the day,

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Speaker 1: Like how did it get on your radar? That whole thing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so just go ahead and prefaces. This is where our

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Speaker 1: age difference is very obvious. Our interests, for sure, we've

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Speaker 1: of these I love everything about this. Why can't this

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Speaker 1: you know, so I definitely felt for this around that

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Speaker 1: And I say that I act as if I've seen it.

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Speaker 1: even workshopping a show. Are you going to rewatch all

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Speaker 1: And then I remember one where like Charlotte is trying

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Speaker 1: what right. So Sex in the City was. It was huge,

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Speaker 1: catalyst for Carrie is that she and Big are together,

429
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: everything is sweet and nice. Is she farts because she

430
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: gets too comfortable, and that begins to be Oh, he

431
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: doesn't see me as a romantic that he sees me

432
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: as one of the boys. We're not gonna have sex.

433
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: We didn't have sex for three days in a row.

434
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, And so it's this whole thing.

435
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: At one point when she tells each of the girls

436
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: and she does it separately, this is where it's irritating

437
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: you hear her story three different times because she tells

438
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: every one of the women these ex shoes, except she

439
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: couldn't do it with Charlie because Charlotte would quote unquote

440
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: have a heart attack. She didn't want to make her

441
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: head explode, essentially, but she uh talks to each one

442
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: of the men. At one point, Samantha's like, no, no, no, no, no,

443
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: You've made a huge mistake when men don't want to

444
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: know that women fart or poop or douche, which, by

445
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: the way, don't please don't. But yeah, like this whole

446
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: thing is like, wow, this narrative really unhealthy. They don't

447
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: change it at all in the end, Like, of course

448
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: it's a bigger issue because Miranda, to the rescue, says,

449
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's not about the fart. She actually

450
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: said that, like comes to the reality of like women

451
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: do things, they're gonna have to get over it and

452
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: she you know, it talks about what really is the issue.

453
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: But I thought that was interesting that in these episodes,

454
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: as open as they were, that they were still talking

455
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: about this as if it's a real thing, and you're like, uh,

456
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: that's really problematic. Maybe you should not teach women that

457
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: this this is a thing. As well as the fact

458
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: they had a whole episode where they had a wild

459
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: girl settle meaning and getting married and having a baby

460
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: and kind of like the woman regretting having a baby

461
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: and wanted to be a party here. It was a

462
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: whole different thing, and it felt very problematic and in

463
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: putting women against each other those who do want to

464
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: be you know, like it was so weird, Like, huh,

465
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: I don't know how it feel about this, And of

466
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: course we're gonna talk a little bit more about it.

467
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: But the episode with this girl boy girl boy, which

468
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: is the whole bisexual episode, and it's very problematic and

469
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: really sad to see that we I think we fell

470
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: into it. And because they were making jokes of it,

471
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: right and we're gonna talk more about it, we were

472
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: just like okay, yeah, absolutely to choose one, pick one,

473
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: which are you and we're not realizing, hey, you're causing

474
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: a problem. We need to readdress some of these things.

475
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are some of the episodes that really

476
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: brought into oh yeah, as much as I love these

477
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: cringe yeah, yeah, and we're definitely gonna dig into those

478
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: problematic troops. And we do have some stats for you.

479
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: But first let's pause for a quick break for from

480
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsors. So, yeah,

481
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: we did want to go briefly ever some statistics because

482
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. Is so, according to articles

483
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: from sources like BuzzFeed, which by the way, a chunk

484
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: of our quizzes come from, and the New York Times,

485
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: over the course of ninety four episodes, the four Friends

486
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: had somewhere between nine five or maybe ninety four and

487
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: one woman to a hundred and seven partners. That sounds exhausting.

488
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that it breaks down roughly like this,

489
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: So Carrie and Charlotte have eighteen partners, Maranda had seventeen,

490
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: and Samantha on the show had forty one. But she

491
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: definitely has an episode where they talk about getting tested

492
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: for HIV where she starts counting and can't find the numbers.

493
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: There are somewhere around nineties six sex scenes in the series,

494
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: and by the way, all of them are ridiculously caricatures

495
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: of what sex looks like it is if you're a

496
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: young child, which you talked about. This is really bad.

497
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: I really hope this didn't influence how you thought sex was.

498
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: And a lot of these partners are artists or bankers

499
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: or lawyers, are very successful. The few that wasn't were

500
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: either younger boys who may have been bartenders, and that

501
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: seems to be you know, the lesser I guess. Yeah,

502
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: I still think it is pretty much except for Steve,

503
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: who is the adult who has a bar, who later

504
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: owns a bar, starts off as a bartender, and then

505
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: it also becomes a point of contention between her and

506
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: him and Miranda because of her job and making money.

507
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: But then the rest of them, I think all younger

508
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: bartenders and the bigger players are really wealthy. Yeah, you

509
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: can find a chart of how many artists did they date,

510
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: how many things it exists, and they're all successful artists. B. D. Doubs. Yes,

511
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: of course. So just before I the average American has

512
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: nine sexual partners throughout their lifetime. But according to some surveys,

513
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: the average New Yorker has twice as much sex as

514
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: a national average and people who know about this, I

515
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: think it has to do with a lesson to stigma

516
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: around being a single woman in New York and larger

517
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: social circles, there's more people to choose from, which makes

518
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: sense to me. Right. There is a chart that tracks

519
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: the main characters profanity too, and not surprisingly, Samantha is

520
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: on top, but Carrie Miranda pretty close. Pretty close. I

521
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: wonder thought Miranda would be right behind Samantha. Yeah, yeah,

522
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: they're They're pretty close. There's also a chart that tracks

523
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: the brand dimensions when it comes to fashion, which is

524
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: a big part of the show and used to paint

525
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: pictures of these characters, like who are these characters? Just

526
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: by looking at the fashion you can kind of get

527
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: a sense. Apparently only one brand was used twice, but Manolabonic,

528
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But let's talk about some of

529
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: these problematic troops, as we promised, starting with the white

530
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: feminism of the show gets a lot of critique of

531
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: that and racism as a part of that. Yeah, so

532
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: we couldn't talk about this without addressing for people who

533
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: haven't seen the show the elephant in the room in

534
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: regards to race, and that yes, it is based on

535
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: all white women's perspective, and for the most part, a

536
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: very heteronormative, misogynistic perspective. And we say misogynistic because the

537
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: viewpoint is literally based on how would this man look

538
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: at me? Very male gazey still yes, yes. So in

539
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: one of the earlier episodes in season three, we are

540
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: a really badly written episode of Samantha dating a very

541
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: attractive black man. And when I say badly written, I

542
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: mean it's obvious that a white person decided they could

543
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: write for African American vernacular for them like it's it's

544
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: bad and with all of their bad judgment, the dialogue

545
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: is cringe e everything from having Samantha say something like

546
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: I've got to give me some of that, and when

547
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: it is addressed by Charlotte, you can't say that. Don't

548
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: say that. For the responses, Oh, stop with your liberal

549
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction. So we're like, okay, immediately all right

550
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: to the male character, which they do hook up. By

551
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: the way, Samantha, this is her being open minded, I

552
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: think to him screaming when she starts fighting with his sister,

553
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: who is a black woman. Let's it all be chill,

554
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: let's just beat chill, and it's just like so bad.

555
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, what is happening? Why are they doing this?

556
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: And I knew this in early two thousand's, so I'm

557
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: just saying, and can we also go ahead and address

558
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: this ever annoying trope of reverse racism, which is what

559
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: they put in here in this episode the Finley Veld

560
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: plotline that his sister won't let him date Samantha because

561
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: she's white, and as the sister explains, it's a black thing,

562
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: you wouldn't understand. So not only do they put that

563
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: in there, that's the reason, and it is just such

564
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: a awful way to address this issue. And as in fact,

565
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: I read an article from the actress that portrayed this

566
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: character or saying this was her first job and she

567
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: took it because she was so excited. First of all,

568
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: she needed a job. Secondly, sex in the city was

569
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: huge at that time, and thirdly, she wanted to be

570
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: dressed in part of that culture. And though she had

571
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: really good interactions behind the scenes, like apparently Kim Patrol

572
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: was really kind and kept telling her how amazing she

573
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: was doing. She read the plot, she read the lines,

574
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: she was like, well, okay, I guess. And it kind

575
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: of addresses back at that point in time when people

576
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: of color would take on these characters just because they

577
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: had to, and they would have to shrug it off

578
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, well this is what they want.

579
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I had to get pay. You know. It was an

580
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: interesting conversation. She's like, I really wish and I knew

581
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: then that this was really bad, but it didn't matter

582
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: because I wanted to try to be an actor. So yeah,

583
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: that episode, Yeah, yeah, I wrote about that one too,

584
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: and like the Angry Black Woman, um and and not

585
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: only that, but even the depiction of Robert, who was

586
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: one of Miranda's love interests ends up being an angry

587
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: black man, which is, yeah, not good. It's not a

588
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: good look. At first, you're like, oh, how sweet, and

589
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: then it ends with him being the angry black man

590
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: that just storms off and it's just kind of like,

591
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: oh why yeah uh. And there's really not any good

592
00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: representation in this, even the depiction of Asian women. In

593
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: one episode, they talk of class system still existing and

594
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: how it matters in relationships and as an example, they

595
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: nod towards the women who are giving all of the manicures,

596
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: meaning they were lesser. Also, within the same episode, we

597
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: have the fetishized Asian woman who is a servant to

598
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: a white man and they call her a servant, so

599
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, uh. And she also has this

600
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: very traditional Asian clothes while she's serving them, so it's

601
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of like wall y'all. Wow. Also, just to put

602
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: it out there, Kim ConTroll did say that if they

603
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: did have a remake, they should actually make one of

604
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: the characters a black character because there was so little

605
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: representation and it was so blaringly obvious how little there was. Yeah,

606
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: we also wanted to talk about queer depictions in the show,

607
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: starting with transphobia. Yeah. So one of the things about

608
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: it was a specific episode which is Samantha versus the

609
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: trans prostitutes that worked behind her area in the meatpacking

610
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: district of New York And just the language used within

611
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: these episodes, Yeah, I have to turn it off. And

612
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: the way they are just fairly disrespectful of the whole thing,

613
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: and the way they depict these women, it's really sad

614
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: because it makes them again a caricature and of course

615
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: all of them but one are fans women of color,

616
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like, really, all you had to

617
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: do this, and of course it has to be for

618
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: us versus them. But in the end, like they all

619
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: get together and all are all happy and united and

620
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: they watch carry troll. I don't know. Okay, everybody loves

621
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: to see a good role I guess, And we want

622
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: to talk about some other homophobic things, like the gay

623
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: best friend trope is in this a lot. Yeah, You've

624
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: got Stanford and Anthony who definitely fit into this trope,

625
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: and we do see the development of Stanford's character and

626
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: that gives a little leeway of how Carrie just continues

627
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: to use her friends and talk about herself constantly. So

628
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: like I read it described as like an accessory to her. Yeah,

629
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: Like even if he has growth, he still sort of

630
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: exists for her to complain to. Yeah, And it's definitely

631
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: interesting because again it is written by and created by

632
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: two very openly gay men. But the way they portrayed

633
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Staying Frod at the beginning and the first episode is

634
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: he was so over the top kitchen to where he

635
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: ended up. It was like it was kind of a

636
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: relief to see him finally being like the adorable, sweet

637
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: guy in kind. But yes, he's definitely doesn't accessory to

638
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: this whole conversation. Yeah, and I actually read a lot

639
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: of articles about that. Maybe we'll come back to that

640
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: later of like kind of that tension between gay creators

641
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Speaker 1: and like something like this. Right. So, also bisexual rature,

642
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: which we've mentioned before, So Carrie doesn't believe by sexual

643
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: men are legit. And when Samantha dated a woman, the

644
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: idea that Samantha might actually be bisexual or curious was

645
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: really dismissed. It was like, no, she's just bored, or

646
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: she's looking for attention, or it's a phase, that thing

647
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: that we've talked about before in previous episodes. Right, And

648
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: we talked about the episode called girl Boy, Girl Boy

649
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: in the cold conversation, which takes place of course, over

650
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: brunch is problematic. Between Miranda calling bisexuals greedy because they

651
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: sample from all size to Charlotte saying she needs labels

652
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 1: either you're gay or straight, pick a lane. The entire

653
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: show is an issue. The overall fearmongering towards bisexuality is

654
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: insulting overall, Literally the entirety of the show Carrie is

655
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: so neurotic. She's sure that he's looking her interest who

656
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: has said that he just falls in love with love essentially,

657
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: that she just for sure he's checking every single person out.

658
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: That's the entirety thing. And by the way, let's Moore said,

659
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: is in this episode she and carry kiss. Oh there

660
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: you go. There's a small tidbit, A tidbit, okay. And

661
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Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about some sexist elements in here,

662
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Speaker 1: I guess, and like feminism, not feminism, what's going on?

663
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: And while this show is lauded in many ways for

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Speaker 1: the strides it made in depictions of women insex, and

665
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: it should be a lot of fans shaped at the

666
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: ending of the first movie and the show feeling it

667
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: wasn't true to this message of independent women who weren't

668
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: rushing to get married. And I wanted to quote an

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Speaker 1: US bomb again because she actually defended the ending of

670
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: the show quote while a mob film ends and murder,

671
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: we all know where a romantic comedy ends. I'll defend

672
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: until my dying day. The sixth see and plot in

673
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: which Carrie seeks respite with the celebrity like her, the

674
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Russian artist Alexander played by Mikhail Baryshnikov, a Chiley genius

675
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't love, but who offers her a dream like

676
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: fairy tale, but once she has always longed for Paris, safety, money, pleasure.

677
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: It felt ugly and sad in a realistic way. Yeah.

678
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: I think it was interesting because there's a lot of

679
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: conflict between her and Miranda because she is choosing all

680
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: of these things. So I mean, sure, I guess she

681
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: gives up everything to go with this guy, and yes,

682
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: I guess a happy ending. But to be fair, she

683
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: also wrote a book, so there's that. Yeah. Also, Miranda

684
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: being blamed for infidela the in the In the movie,

685
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: we see that and we talked about earlier. We see

686
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: the Steve who finally says that he has had an

687
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: affair after having sex one night and all this culmination

688
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: into her being busy, her having to do all of

689
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: these things, are being tired, and pretty much lays the blame,

690
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: saying that she is a reason that he says he's sorry,

691
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: but it's because we've not been touching each other. We haven't.

692
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: You haven't even made time for me, essentially, as well

693
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: as the fact that during her time with Carrie, Carrie

694
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: is so angry about a small bit of information which

695
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: I still can't understand that she tells Miranda that it's

696
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Speaker 1: her fault and she should forgive Steve like it's we returned,

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00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: as well as the fact that during their counseling session

698
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: the therapist kind of puts it on her as well.

699
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the whole way of like, yes, yes,

700
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: there is a leading there's always a bigger story and

701
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: infidelity for sure, but to put blame like that instead

702
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: of having a conversation or even saying, hey, I have

703
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: this problem more, Hey let's have counseling before have an affair,

704
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: maybe it seems yeah, And I think it was really

705
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: infuriating from me again because like the whole bush scene

706
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: where she was not having wax things and all these

707
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: they kind of put that on her and saying like, well, no,

708
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: wonder your relationship all apart, you like let yourself go. Yeah, yeah,

709
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of angry reactions to that. And also,

710
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: um carry storyline in that movie in the first movie

711
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: ends with her being won over after her rich on

712
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: again off again dude big Mr Big billy wardrobe with

713
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: expensive clothes, which feels very materialistic and separately not what

714
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: the show was about, because I do think Materialist was

715
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: a big part of this. Cynthia Nixon said about this quote,

716
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: it seemed to me that the show was so much

717
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: about female empowerment and about women making their own choices

718
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: and women standing up for what they wanted in supporting themselves.

719
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Speaker 1: So to me, to have the scene be a climax

720
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Speaker 1: of the film, that's your very wealthy husband built you

721
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: a nice closet for your clothes, I thought, Wow, that's

722
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: not really what you love about the show, is it?

723
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: Because that's not what we were making it for a

724
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: lot of people weren't happy with curious relationship with Big

725
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: in general, claiming he was toxic. I read somebody describe

726
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: him as like a walking red flag. Carrie consistently worries

727
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: that it's turning her into a fake this relationship. At

728
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: one point, she says, I'm not like me. I'm like

729
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: together Carrie. I wear a little outfits, sexy care and

730
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Speaker 1: casual carry. Sometimes I catch myself actually posing. It's just

731
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: it's exhausting, right. I think that's the back and forth

732
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: because everybody'll has an opinion who's seen the show about

733
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Speaker 1: what man is the best man, Which man is the

734
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: best man of the group. But I think it's interesting because,

735
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: as I said, Carrie's constantly need to switch her personality.

736
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Speaker 1: It happens throughout the entire show. It's not just Big

737
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: as with Alexander, is with Aiden, like she becomes these

738
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Speaker 1: different people, which happens a lot. Yeah, we all have

739
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: like relationship goals where you try to find common interests

740
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: or I to compromise for that. But yeah, it's definitely

741
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: a theme for Carrie to constantly beat this. So even

742
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: though I do think Big is definitely toxic, I don't

743
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: think it's not just it's not yeah uh yeah. But

744
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: people again also weren't happy with how Stanford was with

745
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: the only other gay mail in this series, Yeah, Anthony.

746
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: Like at first when they meet each other, Anthony says

747
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: to Charlotte, he could do better, like he can be better.

748
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: As in fact, they kind of hate each other because

749
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Speaker 1: he also outs Stanford's boyfriend later on in the show

750
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: as being I don't know if he's a prostitute a callboy,

751
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: but he having an advertisement in the magazine, in a

752
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: gay magazine to be an escort essentially, So it's really

753
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Speaker 1: interesting how they hate each other and then at the

754
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: end because they were the only two gay people. I

755
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: guess they end up getting together, I don't know. And they,

756
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: by the way, do remain the two strongest gay characters,

757
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: the only gay characters I guess in the whole series. Yeah, yeah,

758
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean certainly of like regular appearances. Yeah. And a

759
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: lot of folks have pointed out that as revolutionary as

760
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: all of this was, in a lot of ways, the

761
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: main characters still did pretty much stick to traditional gender roles.

762
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: And on top of that, there was a classist and

763
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: superficial element with a focus on glamor fashion and looks.

764
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: And the debate rages on about where the show falls

765
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: in terms of feminism. In Any eleven article for The

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Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph called Sorry, Sisters, but I hate Sex in

767
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: the City, Danya Gold wrote, sex in the City is

768
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: to feminism what sugar is to dental care. The first

769
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Speaker 1: clue is in the opening credits of the television show.

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Speaker 1: Karry is standing in a New York street in a

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Speaker 1: valley skirt, the sort that toddlers wear. She is dressed

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Speaker 1: unmistakably as a child because she is a sex columnist

773
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Speaker 1: on a newspaper. A bus wearing a huge photo of

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Speaker 1: her and a tiny dress Trundle's pass, Carrie Bradshaw knows

775
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: good sex as the bus and there before any dialogue

776
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: hits your ears. You have two woeful female archetypes that

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00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: Sex in the City loves woman as sex object and

778
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: woman as child. In another episode, Carrie realizes she is

779
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Speaker 1: homeless because she has spent forty dollar on shoes and

780
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: does not have a deposit for an apartment. In this crisis,

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00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: she cries and borrows the money for the deposit. What

782
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: child would do anything else? Also in even Ashley Dikes

783
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: wrote in her research piece, and I started wondering voiceover

784
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: and conversation and Sex in the City quote the fear

785
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: that men will no longer find a woman attractive is

786
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: she reveals her true self is in contrast to the

787
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: relationships among the four main characters. But plenty of argued

788
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Speaker 1: that the show did a lot for feminism, or maybe

789
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: not that it did a lot for feminism, but it

790
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: was feminists, or did at the very least invite feminist

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00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: conversations or conversations about women and sex and in a

792
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: lot of different spaces about women that we hadn't really

793
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: discussed openly as a society before it like made them popular, right,

794
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: And I think I would agree that. I think it

795
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: gave permission for so many to be able to openly

796
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: talk about their sexual experiences and even learn from the

797
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: conversations Like talking about oral sex and being able to

798
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: enjoy it seemed so taboo. But would the show came

799
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: in understanding that women do enjoy sex and do bond

800
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: over talking about it, and then or you and I

801
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 1: were actually having a whole conversation about what this show

802
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: would look like, and we talked about when women enjoy sex,

803
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: when women don't enjoy sex, and why that's okay in

804
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: either way. And honestly, part of my conversation came from

805
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: this and that idea of I grew up in such

806
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: a very isolated and closed minded home when it came

807
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: to sex that when I came to college, I was like,

808
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: this is what this is for, this is how this is.

809
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, and there's nothing wrong with

810
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: intimacy and and saving whatever you have from marriage whatever.

811
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 1: If you really feel like that's something that you want,

812
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: that's great. But that's partly in my mind. I don't

813
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: think it was until I watched shows like this that

814
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: I realized, oh, women actually do like sex. It's not

815
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: just me. I'm not dirty, Okay, And it did. I

816
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: think it opened up a whole big conversation and allowing

817
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: the fact that you could ask other women for advice.

818
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: You don't have to do this alone, like if you're

819
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: confused about something, if you need like these are the

820
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: things that need to happen, and allow it for it.

821
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm also it technically does pass the Bechdel test. I

822
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: will say that it's not so much of a prize,

823
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: but something that I loved and even yearned for now,

824
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: especially with us still being in lockdown, is having brunch

825
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: with my girls and just releasing whatever is on our minds,

826
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: enjoying a drink while complaining about work, living situations, so yes,

827
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: even talking about our partners and seeing friendships that would

828
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: grow together. I think it was something beautiful, even though

829
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: there's so many problematic things within them, and they fed

830
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: into this narrative of white feminism, white relationships, white girl privilege,

831
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: all of these things for sure, But the fact that

832
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: they grew together and after college, I really really wanted

833
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: that and missed that. And though the whole series does

834
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: seem to be a lot about finding your mate, the

835
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: fact that they lean on each other and as much

836
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: as they do, they continue to grow together, and it

837
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: was really refreshing to see that as an ending. Happy

838
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: ending wasn't necessarily the man. Happy ending was that they

839
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: were going out together, Like she comes back home from

840
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: France and the first thing she does is find them

841
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: and make sure they all have brunch. In the end,

842
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: which gets married, he says, I know your true love

843
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: and it's it's the women. And I think that's beautiful. Yeah, yeah,

844
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, and I I liked what I saw.

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Speaker 1: Maybe i'll if I can find it anywhere launch journey Okay, perfect, perfect,

846
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: And I do want to say DVDs or days for me,

847
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: I do think it would be really interesting if there's

848
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: a study out there on like how this show influenced

849
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: people's thoughts on sex, because for me, even though I

850
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: didn't see it growing up, it's still like permeated and

851
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: it still influenced me and my thoughts on sex, just

852
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: the little things I saw or even just like images

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Speaker 1: I saw from it when I was in middle school,

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Speaker 1: I asked my mom if that's how people meet at

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Speaker 1: bars and they date for like a week and then

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Speaker 1: they have sex. And then they break up. That was

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Speaker 1: also influenced by other TV, not just like in the City.

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Speaker 1: But my mom was like gas and she was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I didn't have the talk with you.

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Speaker 1: And I remember even then being really confused about the

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00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: fashion money and I was like, is in New York

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00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: really expensive? How could I ever? Reford? I was like,

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Speaker 1: I can't afford this lifestyle. This is out of my reach. Oh.

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Speaker 1: The entirety of like not having roommates as a single

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Speaker 1: woman in New York made no sense, knows it? Because

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Speaker 1: I had to have roommates in Atlanta, and we know

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Speaker 1: the cost of living is much cheaper here. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: well this has been a really fun one. We wanted

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Speaker 1: to run really quickly through our quiz answers of who

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Speaker 1: we would be. But first we have one more quick

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Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor. Am We're back? Thank

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Speaker 1: you sponsored? So yeah, we did get a lot of

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00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: these from BuzzFeed. Yeah, you know, of course BuzzFeed is

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00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: going to be the number one quiz, especially for things

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Speaker 1: like sex in the city. Like, I was like, there

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00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: they are ten thousand of them, so I do need

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Speaker 1: to know because I sent you several there are several

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Speaker 1: different ones, and I was trying to make a variation.

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00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: So which one are you? Are you a carry, Samantha,

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00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: Charlotte or Miranda? According to this first BuzzFeed one you

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00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: sent me, I got quote you wish you were a Carry,

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Speaker 1: but alas you are a Miranda, which I was like,

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00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: that need to be insulting? Why why is that? I

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00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: was actually carried on this one, and I kind of

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Speaker 1: surprised and insulted. I was like, I don't want to

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00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: be caring? What is this? What are you saying about me?

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00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: I didn't like it? Yeah? Well, and then you sent

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Speaker 1: me another one, right and did I needed one more

889
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Speaker 1: because I was like, Okay, let's just see who this

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Speaker 1: personality type was. So what was this other one that

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00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: you you would ben? Which character? It was? Also from BuzzFeed,

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00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: and I got Samantha Jones. You're one wild person. You

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Speaker 1: love to date, have fun, but getting serious is really

894
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: not your style. You much prefer one steady group of

895
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: friends over one man forever. You're great at giving advice

896
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: because you're so carefree. I agree with that, minus the

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Speaker 1: sex sex personality, but definitely a group of friends for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure. I've got Moranda on this one because I

899
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Speaker 1: am obviously a very strong will and all those things.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely said that. And I had to

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Speaker 1: know who was the man. I got her Robert Leeds.

902
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Speaker 1: It's now I don't know how to feel about it.

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Speaker 1: He's such a good guy. So that's the things like

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Speaker 1: I got Robert Leeds too, and I loved him as

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Speaker 1: a boyfriend. He was probably one of the best, Like

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Speaker 1: he is so sweet, so caring love because this is

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Speaker 1: after she has the baby and she he loves the

908
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Speaker 1: kids and so kind. She just ended up dumping him

909
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Speaker 1: because she realized she's okay, Okay, I feel better about it.

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Speaker 1: Who of course they have a good relationship. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: a good guy. It wasn't until they broke up that

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Speaker 1: they made him a bad guy. It was just really irritating.

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Speaker 1: They didn't need it in him like that. And then

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Speaker 1: I had to send you this how stuff works quiz

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Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, she's not gonna do well.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat around this one for sure. How well

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Speaker 1: do you know sex in the City? What was your rating? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got ninety three. She's still not because there's two

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Speaker 1: I forgot about Like what I'm so sad about that

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Speaker 1: one and then the very last one. We had to

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Speaker 1: find the combination, the combo of which characters are you?

922
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Speaker 1: I got Samantha and Carrie. So I'm all over the

923
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Speaker 1: board here. I don't know. It seems like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: guess you are, but why? But why? It says you're

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Speaker 1: super confident like Samantha. You're creative like Carrie. To you

926
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Speaker 1: always know exactly what you want. You're not afraid to

927
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Speaker 1: work hard to get it. Sometimes other people are intimidated

928
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Speaker 1: by your success, but generally they admire you. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm the combination of Carrie and Miranda. You're a

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Speaker 1: very creative person like Carrie, but you're also ambitious, loyal

931
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Speaker 1: and hard working Like Miranda. You're incredibly loyal and you

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Speaker 1: always put your friends first. Everyone relies on you to

933
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: tear them up when they're filling down, and you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have it any other way. I agree with that. I

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Speaker 1: can see. Uh. The fact that I got to be

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Speaker 1: obviously Maranda makes me happy. Well. It's funny because, again,

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Speaker 1: having never seen but like three stamps of the show,

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Speaker 1: I thought i'd get Charlotte. I don't know why I

939
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Speaker 1: thought that, probably, but I didn't get her once me either.

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Speaker 1: That's not surprising from me though. Well. That brings us

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Speaker 1: to the end of this episode on Sex and the City.

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Speaker 1: It's been so fun. We would love to hear from

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Speaker 1: you listeners, your experience with the show, the movies, what

944
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: you're looking forward to or worried about in the upcoming reboot.

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Speaker 1: Are you a carry Samantha, Miranda Charlotte Let us know.

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