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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke, Day two from the Pump

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Speaker 1: Galler twenty twenty five. Just had a great sit down

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Speaker 1: with Daryl Strawberry, and this next one's gonna be just

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Speaker 1: as good. I know, my guy, five time Pro bowler,

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Speaker 1: three time Super Bowl champ, over eleven thousand yards. We

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Speaker 1: all know Jack is a huge Cowboys fan, Texas baby,

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Speaker 1: and they haven't been good since. Our next guest play

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: That's all right, man. You know what, we still got

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Speaker 2: more super Bowls in there. We still we still That's

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Speaker 2: what you see.

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Speaker 3: That's what you gotta be careful about as a Cowboy

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Speaker 3: fan because we're coming here.

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Speaker 2: History.

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Speaker 3: History is history, but people want to take you to

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Speaker 3: that selective history. It's their history. They only want to

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Speaker 3: go those thirty years back. Well, y'all, they did nothing

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Speaker 3: that thirty years, but we stacked five forget about that.

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Speaker 2: Want to remember the last thirty y'all. You're right, you're right,

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Speaker 2: you're right. You'll get the wordplay. We stacked five of y'all. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So so come on with all that, you know what,

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Speaker 2: don't tell your story, tell this story.

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Speaker 3: That's why they call it his story, not your story.

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Speaker 2: His story. Tell the whole story.

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Speaker 4: I'm always fucking too. I'm a Niner fan, so I'll

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Speaker 4: be on.

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Speaker 2: Jack them some good battles.

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Speaker 4: The NIS Championship Games legendary.

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Speaker 1: Going back to twenty two year old Michael Irving, what's

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Speaker 1: one piece of advice you would have gave him?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, it's so many things. I want to tell

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Speaker 2: that knucklehead. And a lot of my money, man, a

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Speaker 2: lot of my money spent on that jury. Could have

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Speaker 2: left that somewhere and let that just grow. You know,

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Speaker 2: you were gonna get them girls anywhere. They need that,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But we think we need

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Speaker 2: that at the time. But I can, I can explain

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Speaker 2: that and then blame that because you know, when you

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Speaker 2: had nothing and you finally got something, you wanted to

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Speaker 2: know to the world, look at me, I got something,

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Speaker 2: and so so that was all part of it.

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Speaker 3: But the whole thing is, honestly the ride, the whole journey.

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Speaker 3: You know, you enjoy the peaks and door the valleys.

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Speaker 3: But boy, I just told till twenty two Michael Irvin,

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Speaker 3: But you got a ride.

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Speaker 2: In front to be ready fast see the hell of

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Speaker 2: a ride. It has been a hell of a ride.

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Speaker 2: Went traded in absolutely, you know what I'm saying. For nothing.

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Speaker 1: You were a victim of an unfortunate situation at a hotel.

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you decided to sue.

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Speaker 1: Can you break that down and kind of tell us

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Speaker 1: without for those who don't know what is about in work,

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Speaker 1: kind of.

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Speaker 3: Stays Okay, let me tell you what happened with this.

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Speaker 3: This was This was a couple of years ago to

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl right now. I just swasted my mother in

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Speaker 3: law and I remember coming in. I had to go

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Speaker 3: being a good dude's early.

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Speaker 2: I went out.

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Speaker 3: I went out early because my boy picked me up

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Speaker 3: and we went out and got something neat. So I

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Speaker 3: had some drinks. But I know, I said, I'm coming

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Speaker 3: so I said, okay, I'm headed in. I see some

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Speaker 3: Michael Man, Eagles fans. They were talking football stuff and

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Speaker 3: we're messing around. They offered me a drink. I said no,

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Speaker 3: I left me. I was getting ready to leave, but

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Speaker 3: I knew he wanted a picture, and I didn't I

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Speaker 3: he didn't ask. So when I walked away, I got convicted.

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Speaker 3: I said, brother, I said that was cool. Come on,

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Speaker 3: let's walk outside and let's take a pic. So me

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Speaker 3: We clown in around talking about Patrick Mahomes. And I

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Speaker 2: Dude. Next day, I wake up, do all my shows.

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Speaker 2: After the shows, I come back, I'm trying to take

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Speaker 3: Who took the security NFL in the hotel security? And

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, call me for what you know, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? They didn't tell me for a while, Michael,

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Speaker 2: we have a situation. I'm like, what situation? Right? I know,

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Speaker 2: ain't nobody get to my room? Last night. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, be cause but now.

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Speaker 3: IVER been hit enough that I know if you can't

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Speaker 3: get if you don't get to the room, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Don't get into the room.

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Speaker 3: Most dudes go out trying to look for something. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I just got to get home alone, to the room.

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Speaker 3: Nothing going. I'll be good. But but yeah, I'm thinking, like,

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Speaker 3: what happened? What are you talking about? We had a situation.

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Speaker 3: I said, what situation? I said, don I said what

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Speaker 2: What girl? Wasn't no girl my room. That's the first

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Speaker 2: thing I said. I ain't mean nobody anybody in my room.

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Speaker 2: They said, you didn't meet any girl last night. I said, no,

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Speaker 2: I didn't meet anybody. I don't know anything. I walked,

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Speaker 2: I came in home. I came home early because I

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Speaker 3: And then they wouldn't even tell me. They wouldn't even

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Speaker 3: show me. I said, show me the tape, show me

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Speaker 2: I had to sue the hotel, and then after the

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Speaker 2: They still wouldn't turn it over.

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Speaker 3: I had to print it again, but the tape showed

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Speaker 3: that I met some I met this girl in the

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Speaker 2: And I left. Now what saved me?

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Speaker 3: What saved me? Dog, I'm telling you what saved me

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Speaker 3: was those three dudes that I went and took the

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Speaker 3: saw all the news and they were like, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: What the hell they said that that didn't happen. Why

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Speaker 3: would they do that?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you. For the first few days, I

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Speaker 3: me them in the NFS, Michael, you can go home.

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Speaker 3: I said, wait, an, let me get this right. So

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you I didn't do anything last night. You're

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Speaker 3: telling me I did do something last night. Now you're

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Speaker 3: telling me to go home. So I'm telling you I

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Speaker 3: must be crazy, and you sending me home to my family.

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Speaker 3: So I couldn't go home, so I stayed in a hotel,

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Speaker 3: got my age and some people to watch me, cause

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Speaker 3: I'm like, am I doing something.

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Speaker 2: That I don't even know what was?

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Speaker 4: Being alleged.

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Speaker 3: I don't know she said something. The girl said for

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Speaker 3: for a while, I don't even know what she said.

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Speaker 3: Then it all came out that she said. I said

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Speaker 3: something like, have you ever been with a black man?

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Speaker 3: Would you like to be with a black man? That's

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Speaker 3: what this was about. That's a crime.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That's crime, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Depending on when your skin color the state, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 5: I ain't got nothing to do with the state.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think why would I say that. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I said that. Let me tell you. I said.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I said that. Now, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: I was drinking. Admit I was drinking because I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'm not a loser. I'm not a quitter.

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Speaker 3: If I mean, if I'm that deep in a conversation,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna turn and walk away.

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Speaker 2: Jump. But I don't lose like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I I'm gonna convince her confusion,

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Speaker 3: but we're gonna walk away today.

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Speaker 2: Come right. If that's if that's what I was after,

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Speaker 2: And that's why I know I turned and walked off

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Speaker 2: when I saw the video and said, no, I walked

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Speaker 2: off too easy. Yeah, I know, Mike, I know, I know,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. No, you're he you ain't shoot.

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Speaker 2: You have saw me hold the head and ground and

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Speaker 2: it's like, come on, yeah, you'd had something, but you'.

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Speaker 3: The known I was, but I was like, no, I

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Speaker 3: that was the whole thing. Now what we think because

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Speaker 3: we finally got the tape, and you'll see in the

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Speaker 3: see in the tape the manager he was yelling at

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe they had something going.

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Speaker 4: Did she work for the hotel?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she worked for the hotel.

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Speaker 4: Glad you got through that man.

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Speaker 2: Me and you you.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that I and the sky didn't tell no lie,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because I've already been you

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Speaker 3: guys know, I've been accused of I mean, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: even there. I've been accused of some things that I

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Speaker 3: cares about that. It's just the allegation. So yeah, I'm scared.

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Speaker 4: The headline. The lives of the headline.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to our family and Netflix the Cowboys doc.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen it? Yes, yes, yeah, what can you say?

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Speaker 3: They kind of said giving it away. Well, they sent

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Speaker 3: to me early because they knew, you know, they said,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna see at you.

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, ship, I mean, you know, damn again. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: We get the premiere the other day, right, and he

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Speaker 3: and I and Jerry and we all did the premiere

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Speaker 3: and we were laughing, and I said, you know, I

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Speaker 3: understand Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Got final cut. You and Troy so straight laced. That's

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Speaker 2: just what it is.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to be the bad boy in this,

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Speaker 3: right And he said, well.

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Speaker 2: It kind of was the bad boy.

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I guess it's right. It says kind

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Speaker 3: of fitty, you know, but yeah, I saw the thought.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fascinating. I think about the journey. It's

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Speaker 3: all about the journey and what made our journey together.

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Speaker 3: When you talk about me and Troy Dion, you know,

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Speaker 3: and Jerry, all of that was like how it all came,

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Speaker 3: how it all came about, you know, Emmitt and Dion

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Speaker 3: and I.

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Speaker 2: We played against.

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Speaker 3: Each other on the top three teams in Florida, Florida State, Florida,

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Speaker 3: in Miami, you know, and we became boys probably to

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Speaker 3: all of this. So so to get together and then

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Speaker 3: play together and still be boys to this day, you

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Speaker 3: Yes, especially Michael I was. I was disappointed about this one.

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Speaker 3: We got to improve our skill, but deepen our wills

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Speaker 3: since I'm going against another grown man and his will

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Speaker 3: And man, I was so happy for your door. I

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Speaker 3: with its many family members.

437
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: I grow up.

438
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 3: I remember my sister she bought a pair of cat

439
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 3: I remember what cat here shoes used to look like.

440
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: I played basketball cat Head dollar ninety nine from Kmart.

441
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 3: You be sliding all over the floor. They looked like Nike,

442
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: but the Swiss was upside down. They wasn't really Nike.

443
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 3: They were upside down Swish. They call them cat Head.

444
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 2: Now.

445
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 3: My sister used to buy me and she bought me

446
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 3: a pair of those when I was in the ninth grade.

447
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: And then when I got drafted, she said, well, you

448
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 3: remember you remember some caddy I need some need a house.

449
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: I was like, how did those cat head shoes turn

450
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: into a house? I went to the interest, but I

451
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: did get her out.

452
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's doube. I'd love to hear that interest.

453
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 5: Once she was asked, how are you willing to go

454
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 5: through the middle, you said, Michael, either I go run

455
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 5: that slant.

456
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm back in the ghetto, back there together.

457
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: That's why I tell me, if you get afraid, that

458
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: that's how you beat fear.

459
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: Because you hear people say, Michael, you were fearless, nigga,

460
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: No I'm not. I'm human.

461
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Fear is real. Courage doesn't

462
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 3: say I did not have fear. Courage says I have

463
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 3: an ability to overcome this. You see what I mean?

464
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 3: So I was telling people, how do you overcome that fear?

465
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 3: So so every time I lined up and run that

466
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: slap ud, I get ready and and everybody knows once Mike,

467
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: he's come, slint right Mike on.

468
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: The slants, running a lot right there, I'm not scared

469
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: you ain't scared. That's right. A lot nigga. That joker

470
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: right there, that's the nigga that went over to somebody's sit.

471
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 4: Cut my finger off.

472
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: Cut my finger off, so I hear somebody some more.

473
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute, joke. I want to

474
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 2: cut his finger off to come hit somebody again. I'm

475
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 2: scared of him. You're crazy, Yeah, yeah, cut his finger.

476
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: Also he get back in the game. What and I

477
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: gotta run a slant route, yes, yeah, and he went

478
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: taking there. He had a joke of yes, that's what

479
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, and he want to hit me. I'm scared.

480
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm scared.

481
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: I'm scared man, Yeah, and I gotta put it up

482
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: against a greater fear.

483
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: That's where little Michael comes in. When I line up

484
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: trustes two two sixty two, because that's the check for

485
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: the slat rider said, damn, here it comes, God, damn

486
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: old finger. Cuddle right now. You hit me in the head,

487
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: right right. So so then little Michael comes in. Michael,

488
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: I know you're scared, but you're either running that slanter

489
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: we run back to the ghetto. Kiss my hand here,

490
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: I run that slanterer bus his ad.

491
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 3: I ain't going back to the ghetto. Bro, I ain't

492
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: going back. You know, you gotta put it up against

493
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: a greater fear. But you definitely be afraid.

494
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: And it's human nature. Let me tell you something.

495
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: You gotta take it to the next level and try

496
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: to tell some guys in the men in the game.

497
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 3: There's a natural tendency of your body when you're when

498
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: you're around pressure to tighten up. Like if I strike

499
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: my hand towards your face, You're going to bleink. Even

500
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: if you say I'm not going to blink that your

501
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 3: body has a natural tendency. So I run a slant

502
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: route right and and my body the way you catch

503
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: a football, you gotta gotta have that give.

504
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: You gotta have that gift right here to catch it.

505
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: So I tell people, They said, Michael, can you ever

506
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: catch on your body or well catch a pass in

507
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: your body? I say, yes, you do well. They said

508
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: you should always catch you your heads. I said, whoever

509
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: wrote it never did it. You see what I'm saying.

510
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: You gotta any way you can right and you catch

511
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: it the best way you can miss pressure.

512
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: So if I'm running a slant route and I know

513
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: these people around me, and they know I'm running a

514
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: slant route, and I got pressure on my body's gonna

515
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: tighten up, just like when it's a natural you want

516
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: to tighten up. If I tense up, that ball hits

517
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: and fall. Or if I tense up I don't close

518
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: my hand, that ball goes through my hand. Now he

519
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: still made well when I was playing, he's still hit me.

520
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: Not that niggas got a free hit. I'm still gonna

521
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: hit men. But now me, I said, when I run this,

522
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: I run it, and I understand this is third down.

523
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: This is third down. I gotta catch this to get two.

524
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: More down, and I gotta get the mud down so

525
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: I can go get take it my money from there.

526
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: So right, so so the third out. So I'm gonna

527
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: make sure I catch this. I can't do this ball

528
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: goes through because I'm tense in everybody.

529
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: So I said I would catch it here. In fact,

530
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 2: I catch it here. Even if you hit me and

531
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: knocked me out on the way to them carrying me

532
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: the sideline. I'm gonna stick the hand out of the

533
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: first down and they gonna take me to the sideline.

534
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, because I'm gonna catch the ball, I'm

535
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: saying dwell. Don't come from up under the sheet. Wheel

536
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 2: me out, man. So yeah, I'm gonna get that first down.

537
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: That's why they called him to play. Yeah, you a

538
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: notarist for your hard work. Used to run rouse toll

539
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: you puked?

540
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 5: Is that the same mentality that you like, you say

541
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 5: not going back to the Ghetto'm gonna work my ass.

542
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: I'll make sure I'm strong by the fourth quarter.

543
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: That was my victory. Now think about this, and I

544
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: was so happy. Eric Allen just got in into the

545
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame because I used to tell people I

546
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: had to go through gold jack I went through gold

547
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: jackets a lot of my gold ring. That means I

548
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: played one on one all the way around the for

549
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: Dion sharing this, Dalel Green, Rod Woodson, a Nias, William

550
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson and now Eric Allen.

551
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: These are the dude that followed me all.

552
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: Around on the football everywhere. When I went to the bathroom,

553
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: we were right there taking You're gonna get back.

554
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: In this game. Let's fix this up. Okay, let's go.

555
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. These jokers, now you know

556
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: they those were real. Those were real dude right there.

557
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: I just mentioned real dude. So I take pridy man.

558
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny, dude, all of them, all

559
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: of them, we're the best of friends now and they're crazy.

560
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: How that works out?

561
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: Dyl Green. I'll go speak with him at an event

562
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: that he'll do. You know, Derek does these church events.

563
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: I love him, and then I gotta come speak. I'll

564
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: be like, damn, darl d these perfect dudes. Man, when

565
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here talk with deon standard Daryl Green. So

566
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: I have to come up with stuff. I say, you know,

567
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: come some bullshit. Yeah, God, God, God, God, God loves

568
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: all his kids. And I say, hey, if you can

569
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: and I couldn't, if you could do it right, do

570
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: it like them going because they perfect. They ain't never,

571
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: they ain't never drink, smoke too, don't even hang around

572
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: anybody that dude. But I did you see what I'm saying.

573
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 3: So I say, do it right, if you could do

574
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 3: it like them, But just if you make a few

575
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: mistakes like me, He'll still be there for you.

576
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: You see what I mean.

577
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 3: I'm trying to incorporate all my bad with all that

578
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: goodness and make him work for the good or the

579
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: people that were speaking to it. That's how you have

580
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: to take that?

581
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Remember timcar Oh yeah, I remember, tell if till my boy,

582
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: my boy, man, tell Tim played with right, right right?

583
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: Tim played with.

584
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: Dion and and oh my god, with Dion, and we

585
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 3: got Alexander Wright. This dude, fastest dude in the world

586
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: run a four one nine squat five hundred pounds.

587
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: You know.

588
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: And I said, oh my god, it got something. We

589
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: were playing Atlanta and and and we he's so fast.

590
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: Dion had to go to him, and we just kept

591
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: running them deep, running them deep, and and and Deon

592
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: was just running with him. And I was over there

593
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 3: with Tim MCA and he were just running him deep.

594
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: I said, Tim, we got d On off Methadon was

595
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: running back.

596
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: Over there to me, y'all playing this ain't no track me.

597
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: Y'all ain't gonna even throw that joke of the ball listen.

598
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: I said, I wasn't had like ten or twelve back

599
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: catches on, Tim Man, I was killing him, man, Yeah, yeah,

600
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: till my boy too many.

601
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: How did y'all get Dian to defect then come on

602
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: over to Dallas after the frisk? Go right?

603
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, that was me. I recruited DM. I

604
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 3: called him Jerry talked to me about it, Jay, because

605
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: Jerry asked us. He asked me about it. He said,

606
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: we have a chance maybe to get Dion Sandy's. He

607
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: brought me in the office. I said what he said?

608
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, he said, I'm been telling his people.

609
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: I said, all right, you told these people. I'm I'm

610
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: gonna talk to him. I'm gonna call him right right right.

611
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: So I called him, and and you know he had

612
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: he he was talking about it.

613
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: I said, man, listen, he said, man, Man, Sam friends

614
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: booming over here. Man.

615
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: And I knew it was for him because he had

616
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: left Atlanta, you know, Atlanta going to San Francisco. Yeah,

617
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: that was big. I said, Now that jump you made

618
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: my verbatim work. Was that jump you made when you

619
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: saw Atlanta to San Francisco? I said, whatever, that jump

620
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: was multiplied by team.

621
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: When you come to the Colvin, they's gonna be a

622
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: whole different thing.

623
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: He said, really do. I said, no doubt. Man, we

624
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: ain't got to keep beating up on each other. Let's

625
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: go beat these other.

626
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: Right right right there. So so so I told him,

627
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: I said, I said, hey, listen, I told you I'm gonna

628
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: set something up for you when you come on in,

629
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: you come in town and set some up. I gotta

630
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: set this thing up at the club called Guingamarage helped

631
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: me get Dion here. We brought them all, like all

632
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: of them weary.

633
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 5: That was who we buddy. You can because Max talk

634
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: about it too. Max said, it's a whole Max Burna.

635
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 5: Maxwell say, it's a whole bunch of y'all that came

636
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 5: up around the area, were coming up. That's play professional sports.

637
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: It's a whole Florida ball players, baseball players, basketball.

638
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: Florida come up in that era around the same time. Yeah,

639
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: it was a whole bunch of y'all and all from Florida,

640
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: bad boy. And that's why when we go back to

641
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: talking about like what what it was and playing with

642
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: the Cowboys and playing with Dion and Emit and that man,

643
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: it was that was everything because some reason, I don't know,

644
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: we just thought down Florida didn't get what it deserved

645
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: and and do there was a gust of players that

646
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: came through Florida lately, and then you know that was

647
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: that was that that just yeah, the terrorized terrorized.

648
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: So before you gots before you stole DM from the

649
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, y'all got a legendary slap boxing incident

650
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: mid game.

651
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: No, that was that was Rising. Yeah, you know what,

652
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: that was my fault.

653
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: And that's right.

654
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: Let me give you all that too, though, And that's

655
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: why and and and okay, you know about the rising

656
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: and they was boys too, right, right, and then and

657
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: they went and they went south with each other. But

658
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: but and then even when he went to San Francisco

659
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 3: and they had gone they're going to super Bowl, him

660
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: and Jerry got into something because Dion went out on

661
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: the Monday or two, and I and everything. And see,

662
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: I knew all about that, and so I was using

663
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 3: all that in my recruiting tour.

664
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: I said, listen, dude, I said, listen, man, you go

665
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: out on Monday. I said what I said, I'm.

666
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: Joking, I'm gonna go with.

667
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: You Rising, right. That ain't Florida niggas. Yeah, I ain't

668
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: Florida boys, said you and me, we definitely yeah, you

669
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: should have been with the video. So come on, man,

670
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, we'll I said, we'll never you know, we

671
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: will never have any issue because we boys.

672
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 3: And we don't and and we're the best of friends.

673
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 3: That's my boy, man, that's my boy. Yeah, that's how

674
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: I got him over here. That's a bad joke. I

675
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: was tired of that, joker man. Come on over here,

676
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: let's play together. Let's start beating up on each other.

677
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: But you eighty four to eighty seven national championships in

678
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: eighty seven, three times All American UH.

679
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: Eighty five and eighty six AC.

680
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: I love the acc and touchdowns to school records with receptions,

681
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: yards and TVs.

682
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: That's what I put them on on the map. Now.

683
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: I told y'all that On was a rookie at Florida State.

684
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: Freshman in Florida State. He coming and I said, I

685
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: got this joker man. It's all the hype we were

686
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: early on in the Miami game. We're playing for it,

687
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: I said. Told Venne said, i'mnna get him on the

688
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: out and up testa Verdi. Yeah, I'm gonna get him

689
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: on the out and up.

690
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: I said.

691
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: Trust he wants to jump this, he wants to intercept

692
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: the ball. And I ran there out. It was beautiful too.

693
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: I saw him run by and I said, got.

694
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: You turned up my waiting he threw then it threw

695
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: the ball. I'm looking at the ball, looking at dealer,

696
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: I said, come on ball, Come on, come on ball.

697
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: This joker ran down the ball, ran me in the

698
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: ball down, push me down, jumped.

699
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: Up with one hand, caught the ball and was running

700
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: the other way. I was living down the college. This

701
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: joker right with.

702
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: My football the other way that they put that, they

703
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: put that pick They put a pick up it on

704
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: sports Hiller State. So I told him that was his

705
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: coming out party. So he never beat me in college.

706
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: He did have, you know, beat so it want some battles.

707
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: He didn't win the war, but he did with it

708
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: to a battlem.

709
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: How did you land on number forty seven as a receiver?

710
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: Making players? But number forty seven? That was wild man?

711
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: Right right, dude, But listen, I ain't want that forty

712
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: seven dogs point right, dude, I ain't want that.

713
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: I don't want I heard forty seven? What man? Listen,

714
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: let me tell you how Jimmy got me with this.

715
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: They put a lineback and receiver. Man, Jimmy, I never

716
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: thought about it like that.

717
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: I don't come by it right, right, Jimmy, Because we

718
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 3: had just lost Edie Brown and Stanley Shakespeare. And I remember, Jimmy,

719
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 3: Jimmy said to me, because I went in I said, coach,

720
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: I don't know about this number. Forty seven, man, I said,

721
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's just doesn't seem like a cool Nobody said,

722
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: I want to know if I could switch it to seven? Right, yeah,

723
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: I really, it's true story, I said, I want to

724
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: know if I can switch it to seven.

725
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: He said, Michael, let me tell you what I said.

726
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: When I'm on that field and.

727
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 6: He throw you that football, man, you come running down

728
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 6: the field, you look like a seven for the seven

729
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 6: lending in the zone. I swear said. I was like, really,

730
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 6: he said yeah, I said, with some boards come landing

731
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 6: in the end zone. Boy, I said, I love.

732
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 2: To see that. I said, coach, really, okay okay, walked

733
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: down like yeah, okay, that's dope. Man.

734
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: I swear when we got to the Cowboys years later,

735
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: we were having some drinks talking about the coach saying,

736
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

737
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: Believe you wrote that story.

738
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: I love it.

739
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: But I made that forty seven stick though. What I

740
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: made for they come from eight eight, you know, day

741
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 3: Because when you come to Dallas, if if they wanted,

742
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: if you're going to if they're considering you to be

743
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: a great receiver, number one receiver, top receiver, they want

744
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: to give you. They wanted to give you eight eight,

745
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: you know, and I meant we drew about it. I

746
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: really didn't even want I thought that was a hell

747
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 3: of a bird.

748
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: But Drew was so great and she was like, no, no, Michael,

749
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: I want you to wear it.

750
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: And and I said, I'm gonna just try to do

751
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: what you did in this number, you know, and it

752
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: was so prophetic and fitting. He said, no, no, don't

753
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 3: do what I did. Do better, he said, do better.

754
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: And we've always held on to that, you know, give

755
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: it the dead you're dads and they see. But but

756
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 3: but even the ways you can go about finding out

757
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: if someone's worthy wearing it. So so if I'm in

758
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: a room, say your dad's Brian, and and I'm in

759
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: a room and we're talking about this young dude, young

760
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: deads you maybe Jerry Jones, I'm sitting there talking to dead, Hey,

761
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 3: you think you're prepared to wear this limb and.

762
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: Do what you have to do? Dead, especially dude like there,

763
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: because they like what people shit. We look UK people

764
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: should because we were coming up here.

765
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, we play a light, you know, because I

766
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 3: was the dude then and he was mimicking all the man,

767
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: Come on, man, I can wear that, can wear certain

768
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 3: things people will do that will give them away. I

769
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't make sure all three of us is in the

770
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: room and I'm looking at deads. Jerry's right here, I'm

771
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: looking at dead. I can look at some dudes and

772
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 3: I talked to some dudes, did this with some dudes.

773
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: And now look at me. You know, Michael, I can

774
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: do it. And then look at Jerry. I'm telling you all,

775
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: I can do it. He's not the one. You're not

776
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: the one. See if you look at the mission, not

777
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: the money, you get it. You dad only looks at

778
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: the mission. I could do it. Won't even look at

779
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: the money. That tells you he wears. I you see

780
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I need a man on the mission.

781
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: The money will follow.

782
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: The mission like that Uncle Luke and the two Live crew.

783
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Any any boat stories that you can share.

784
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: Not noting that I'm sharing over not me.

785
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind sharing if y'all ain kissing me time

786
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 3: no real killer, talk about Kille. You're talking about Tiller.

787
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: I ain't no real killer. I love it, you know

788
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

789
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: So how how how inspirational was he around the program?

790
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: What kind of do a mentor was he at that time?

791
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: For you? Luke was a good dude.

792
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: Because Luke, honestly, what you gotta remember that that was

793
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: a while goo before guys making any kind of money

794
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: in college and everything, and and and remember us coming

795
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: through Miami and how that all came about. You know,

796
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 3: that was how Snellenberger going into core Gables, Florida, University

797
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: of Miami and saying, who had been losing forever, saying

798
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: I can turn this program around if you let me

799
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: go into the ghettos of Florida and bring those players out.

800
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 3: So so you know that that that's what they did.

801
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: They brought all us in. So Luke was one of

802
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: the first brothers that really came around us with money

803
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: and every thing and a lifestyle and showing us things.

804
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: And he's always been great. You know, he's always been

805
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: great helping.

806
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: Us with business anything because he was doing it before

807
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: all of us, you know what I mean, making sure

808
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 3: that we stayed straight. So yeah, man, he's been he's

809
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: been a great, a great resource for us.

810
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: You skipped your senior year. It's nice.

811
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 5: NFL Draft select eleven to the my Boys, the Cowboys.

812
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 5: You finally made it getting mama the ghetto.

813
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: How did that feel? That felt great?

814
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: Now?

815
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: You know, let's see this right now.

816
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: Because I skipped my senior year, that means I back then,

817
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: you I graduated early.

818
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: Really yeah, well you couldn't. I couldn't.

819
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: You couldn't go into the NFL when I came out

820
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 3: unless you graduated.

821
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 4: I didn't do that.

822
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's how Bernie Coles. I got him, Bernie Coles.

823
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: I really graduated after the South sophomore year. And and

824
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: and why I did it so I can control my draft.

825
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: That's how you control the draft. So so so I.

826
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 3: Don't know if you guys just saw Sterling and Shannon

827
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: was on, and Sterling was telling Shannon that, oh no, no,

828
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: Green Bay was trying to draft Michael Irvin with the

829
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 3: seventh pick, and and and so since I was I

830
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: graduated as a.

831
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 2: Junior, could if you didn't want to go right, and

832
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: they have to call me before you draft me. Now

833
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm the poet, broken, broke joker in the wall. You

834
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: know I'm broke cause I don't know what I'm over

835
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: here negotiating with the big boys like I new something, right,

836
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: so he goes business was my degree is being o

837
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: business management organization. So so so I figured, okay, I

838
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: got it. I got it.

839
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I go play in New

840
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: York la A Dallas. I ripped. My dad was a

841
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: big cowboy fan and wanted to play in Dallas. So

842
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to control this and I needed to get

843
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: out anyway, because all my brothers and sisters, you know,

844
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: they were waiting on me anyway. They were like, we

845
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: ain't got four years. You know, we get out here

846
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: right now, ain't We can't. We can't hold this thing

847
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: any wait. You know, you know, you know how it is.

848
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: They all waity. So so I went to school and

849
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: we don't need go home. I did all summer schools,

850
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: stayed and graduated. We would get twenty five dollars a weekend,

851
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 3: fifteen off the top head to go back home to mom.

852
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: You know, so you had ten dollars every weekend. So yeah,

853
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to stay around long. So when you

854
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: graduate early and skip, I graduated. When you graduate early

855
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: and the team calls you like Green Bay called with

856
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: the seventh pick, and there's somebody who would like to

857
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: drift you.

858
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: I was like, left to school.

859
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm a brother from.

860
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: Florida, and I shouldn't be going to Green Bay, you

861
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: see what I mean. And I just know temperature ain't right.

862
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: I mean, weatherwise and brother wise, I ain't right, both

863
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: sides right. So so no, my whole family started saying,

864
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: no way, green Bay and then Dallas.

865
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: Dallas didn't even call.

866
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: They just drafted me, you know, And I knew they

867
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: would because Jimmy, you, Jimmy had already told me he

868
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: was coming. Jimmy told me. He said, listen, I know

869
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: you graduated early. He said, Dallas is going to draft you.

870
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: He says, none of those Shenanikans with Dallas. I said, no, Coach,

871
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: I want to play for Dallas.

872
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: I want to. He said, I'm just letting you know

873
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna I'll be joining you probably the next year.

874
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: So he let me know that. He let me know,

875
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: but I had. It's so funny, I had. North Turner

876
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: was there that weekend. North Turner was the offensive receivers

877
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: coach for the Rams. They wanted to draft me. I

878
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: wanted to play in New York or l a who

879
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 3: was the top.

880
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 4: Truck for that time with the Rams, who was the

881
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: quarterback with the Rams, who was the quarterack.

882
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: Henry Ellert was the receiver. Who wasn't Jim Ever. I

883
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: saw Jim wait. I saw him a couple of couple

884
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: of years ago. Here Jim Ever see him and his

885
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: wife because they do this, they do some things here

886
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: in La.

887
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: Now. He said, you blew my rings l A. Yeah,

888
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: I would have. I know, by God is good. God

889
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: knows we.

890
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 3: Might not be ready for I tore up Dallas pretty good.

891
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't know that I need to. I don't know

892
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: what i'd have made it out of La I made.

893
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd have made it.

894
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: It works out, it worked out perfectly. It worked out perfectly.

895
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 5: The triplets ekmn you and MS Smith. What's your friendship

896
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: like back then? And is it still the same today?

897
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: Yeah?

898
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: It is absolutely still the same. And that's what's so great, man,

899
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: I promise I'll tell you this. We never had an argument.

900
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 3: We've never had a falling out, We've never had any

901
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: kind of issue. I'm talking about even when we were playing,

902
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just it's it's all

903
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: been great. I don't know, it just we didn't start

904
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: out doing this triplet thing, but somebody kind of tagged it.

905
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: As we went along. But but yeah, it was what

906
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: it was.

907
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you the one thing that made

908
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: it so great once we got it rolling, you know,

909
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: because we didn't have it rolling at first, and since

910
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 3: we took so many whoopings at first, we used to

911
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: come back and have those team meetings, you know, like,

912
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: you know, lost five straight games and you want to

913
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: have a team meeting, and stuff got to stop, and

914
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna make sure. Don't matter what plays they call, Joko,

915
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 3: we're gonna win. And you still go get your head

916
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: kicked in, you know what I mean. He was like, damn, damn,

917
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: this is just different. This is different. But when we

918
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: got it going, the standard was the standard, and we

919
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 3: were able to keep it going. If anybody came around

920
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: this team you didn practice like this, you got to go.

921
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: It was like, hey, I don't need you can't be

922
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: my friend. If you can't help me win, you got

923
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: to go. That's just the bottom line. And that's how

924
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: you kept it going. And to this day, think about it,

925
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: to this day, so many of those guys, see all

926
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: of those guys, we're still pretty successful. Is still moving,

927
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: pretty successful, and we're still very close.

928
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 5: A lot of people don't talk up again eight minutes

929
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 5: perhaps when they talk about quarterbacks. But I say he

930
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 5: was more of a football player than the quarterback.

931
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. He was tough as nails.

932
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: Tough dude.

933
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: Troy got sacked eleven times in a game, eleven times

934
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: in the NFL game. I mean you had Riggie White,

935
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 3: Jerome Brown, Clyde Simmons self join a bust in his butt,

936
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: and he kept getting back, never got on his line,

937
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: He just kept going.

938
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: Man, he was tough as I don't know what. Man. Yeah,

939
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: they don't give my quarterback near the type of credit

940
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: that he deserves. But he's one of the greatest ever players.

941
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 5: Jimmy Johnson from my home time as well.

942
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, coach, So yeah, that's my dude though,

943
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: cause Jimmy really Jimmy. When they gave him put him

944
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: in the Ring of Honor, I was standing in the

945
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: back of him. This is after he was getting his

946
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame ring and everything. I couldn't stop crying, man,

947
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't stop crying as I watched him, because you know,

948
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: Howard recruited me. Howard Snellenberger recruited me and then Jimmy

949
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 3: came in my first year and I had just lost

950
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: my father. Coming out of high school, Dude, I was lost.

951
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 3: I was rambunctious, marble. I wouldn't taking no nothing, no nothing.

952
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: I told everybody in school, I'm coming to get somewhere,

953
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 3: come playing around. So the first day they I'm getting

954
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: the fights, you know, busting jokers in the head over

955
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: at the lunch table. I had never seen the lunch

956
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: table like that. And then these jokers messing with me,

957
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 3: busting them in the head. I gotta go see coach,

958
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: coaches like Michael, you know, we can't be fighting. We're

959
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: not gonna be fighting teammates. We got a lot of

960
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: people to fight. And then two days later and have

961
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: broken another dude jaw.

962
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: And a fight squint in the locker room, and your

963
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: coaches like, listen, listen, trying not to I'm just trying

964
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: to be patient with you here, you know, right right

965
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: down right on them. So I was just thinking, like.

966
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 3: Man, that joker should have sent me home, and he didn't,

967
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 3: and if he had, we not we wouldn't have been here,

968
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 3: you know. So so yeah, those times were man, because

969
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: so coach Johnson's my guy, man, He was really patient

970
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: with me. He really patient and got it right. Let

971
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: me tell you what he do used to do, used

972
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: to do because he knew all of us came from

973
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: the ghetto. Every Thursday, I tell people this, Every Thursday night,

974
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 3: Coach Johnson would make all of us they grew came

975
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: from ghettos meat. He would always give us whoppers, a

976
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: big Max or something, you know, give us some food.

977
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: But we have to sit there and come up with plans.

978
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: What are we planning on doing after football? And talk

979
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: football in that room we did every Thursday. And I

980
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: think back now and I look around, like the dudes

981
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: that were in their room, and how many dudes.

982
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: Are still successful? And I said, wow, I owe that

983
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: to him.

984
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: You know, because we were coming from places where you

985
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: didn't see people plan those things.

986
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: And he knew that. So yeah, he was good about that.

987
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: Emma Smith, how special was that was different?

988
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 2: That was special? But my first year comes in Dallas,

989
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: I picked him up. He's my roommate. He has on

990
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: these mc hammer type outfit with the weird man. You know.

991
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: It just clicked on me the other day we're watching

992
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: the pictures in the documentary. I was like, Oh, this

993
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: joker came in with his mc hammer outfit.

994
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: But now I dig it. I could get it now

995
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: because he was saying, you can't touch this, and you

996
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: couldn't touch that joke with him. It will be in

997
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: a meeting sleep like I'm wake him up.

998
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: He kept man with me and and him he'll show

999
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: up Sunday rush for two hundred yards?

1000
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: Like how did this jogger rush for two hundred yard?

1001
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: He was sleep in the meetings right next week, that's y'all.

1002
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 2: Let him sleep.

1003
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: He gonna get the two hund don't worry and let

1004
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: him sleep. But yeah, he's a different dude. One of

1005
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: the greatest things though, you guys get it. We get

1006
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: to talk about like we got our own journeys. But

1007
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: I think one of the greatest things, like you can't

1008
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: tell Dion's story, you can't tell Troy's story. You can't

1009
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: tell him and story without one. You know, we got

1010
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: a chance to witness that journey. Em It said to

1011
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: me the first night, think about this, our first night

1012
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: for the first game we all played together and it

1013
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: was my room with roommates. I was like, all right,

1014
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: young buck, what you're playing on doing with you? What's

1015
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 3: your goals, because this is what coach always what's your goal?

1016
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: He said to me, Well, I'm gona becoming the old

1017
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: time leading rush you and we're gonna win the super Bowl.

1018
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: Dude, I had won four games in two years. Choke

1019
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: up four games, get some sleep. We're talking about tomorrow.

1020
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: I had won four games in two years, three and thirteen,

1021
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: one and fifty And here is Joker come in here

1022
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: talking about that stuff. And he did it. He did it.

1023
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: You know that that that story I'll hold on too.

1024
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: I watched him do it. I watched him every morning,

1025
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: Monday morning, go get his massage. Just you know I

1026
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: was still hungover. I ain't gonna get the massage. You

1027
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: see what I mean. He took care of his body,

1028
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: did all the little things to get that time in

1029
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: that I should have been doing. So So yeah, he

1030
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: earned that that I'm proud of.

1031
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: See.

1032
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 4: He played with ready to shoulder for a while too, didn't.

1033
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: We played in that game right. Let me tell you

1034
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 3: how that came about. Were because because he and I

1035
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: we always him twenty two, I was eight eight.

1036
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 2: We double trouble. Before we go on the football field,

1037
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: we always go hit our chest, hit our heart, double trouble.

1038
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: That means by land or by air, we're about to

1039
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: whoop y'all. Hands don't matter. If you want to stack

1040
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage and stop the run, stop the land,

1041
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna bomb you out. So if you

1042
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 3: want to back up and stop the pass, we're gonna

1043
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: run you out. Either way, we're gonna get right right

1044
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: pick your poison. So we would always do that prior

1045
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: to the game. So one time earlier, I had ribs

1046
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: cartless damage. We're playing Washington and Day all green, and

1047
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: the coverage was on me and he's like, Michael, I

1048
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 3: was like, you know, because you guys know the worst.

1049
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: Oh, it's the worst.

1050
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: You cannot breathe you anything feels like your ribs cr

1051
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: and way and hurt us.

1052
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: He said, mate, you can go. He said, I heard

1053
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: on you say they don't know that. You just sit

1054
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: your ass out there. I run.

1055
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: This was said, you just stay out there, they don't

1056
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: know you hurt. So I'm sitting out in the line

1057
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: of it, but it's hurting. And and and we had

1058
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: this kind of commitment. So we were in that New

1059
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 3: York game and we need this last game of the year.

1060
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: We needed this game because we needed to buy to

1061
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: get ready to make the run, to try to make

1062
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: the run, and image out there hurts his shoulder and

1063
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: I was like, he was like, I don't know, because

1064
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: they take him off the field.

1065
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: I said, can you go? He said, I don't know.

1066
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I said, they don't know that.

1067
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: Just stand back then, right right, hey, I guess nor

1068
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: forgot that his shoulder was out.

1069
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 3: What's coming? Forgot that showed us out the coordinator earning

1070
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: and they handed him the ball and man and he started.

1071
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: He just started. It was one of the greatest things

1072
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: I've ever seen, one of the greatest things. I told

1073
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 3: him that after after the got some man that's gutting it.

1074
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: Out performance what he rushed for.

1075
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't remember what he rushed for, but I remember

1076
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: he got a lot of man, Remember that he tore

1077
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: him up. Though he won the game for us. He

1078
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: won that game for us, and we needed it.

1079
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: When you read this headline, officer admits to paying to

1080
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: try to have Dallas Cowboys star killed.

1081
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: Who comes to your mind.

1082
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm glad that Joe at hired and undercover. I wouldn't

1083
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: be here, you know what I mean? But but you

1084
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: know that that story, what that was was, you know

1085
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: what what happened when I got caught in when I

1086
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 3: was in that situation in the in the hotel room.

1087
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: You know, this girl I was seeing, she had a friend.

1088
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: Her friend was married to his police officer, and and

1089
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 3: they would come to the hotel and we would be

1090
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: hanging out doing things. And then I think when it

1091
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: all went down, he found out this was an a

1092
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: police officer named Johnny.

1093
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: Johnny.

1094
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 3: Then he found out and that that this girl was coming,

1095
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: and of course we were doing things, and and he

1096
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 3: didn't want I guess he didn't want everybody to hear

1097
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: about it. So he figured he take me out, there'll

1098
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: be no case, and so he tried to hire a

1099
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 3: hit man, but he hired an undercover.

1100
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: And I was in court.

1101
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: I was in court when they stopped the court and

1102
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: brought me in the back and told me that this

1103
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 3: police officer had hired a hitman, you know, and that

1104
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: they arrested him. And you know, they gave me for

1105
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 3: getting caught in the hotel room with women and the drugs.

1106
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: I got four years probation. He tried to kill me.

1107
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: He had two years I think in jail. So I'm

1108
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 3: gonna still be on probation when he get out of jail.

1109
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: So so so I can't be around any undesirables all

1110
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: that stuff because I'm on probation. First thing I did

1111
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: was when you know, after by two years, I was

1112
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 3: getting ready, I snuck back to the prison.

1113
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: I got to go talk to this joker. He's about

1114
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: to get out.

1115
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: They tried to put me in jail for going to

1116
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: jail to talk to him.

1117
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: I went apologize. You know, I'm like, well, you're about

1118
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: to let the joke out. I should go apologize or

1119
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: he put another hit on me, you know what I'm saying.

1120
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: It was kind of a mixtake, but I really did

1121
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: want to apologize to him. You know, I didn't mean,

1122
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 2: you know, like I guess, I took his woman and

1123
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, and they wanted to take me out for it.

1124
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: It was embarrassed. But I was like, man, I didn't know.

1125
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: They didn't, you know, tell me, tell me. And yeah,

1126
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: that was hard. That was hard. But when I went

1127
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: to here go see him, man to dude was crying

1128
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: like a baby. Man, I've never seen that. That that

1129
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: touched me to see how he was crying. He just said, man,

1130
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: I've been praying. That's crazy, he said, I've been praying

1131
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: and praying and praying and praying. They just want apologize

1132
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,240
Speaker 3: to you so much, he said, I've been praying for you, man,

1133
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: praying that you come. I can't believe that you and

1134
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: I ain't tell nobody I was going. I didn't tell

1135
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: anybody because but but the chief that was watching over

1136
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: the jail, and it still got back to my judge

1137
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 3: and they were trying to throw me in jail because

1138
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: I went to see him. I was like, dude, I

1139
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: wanted to make amends with the man. What happens if

1140
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 3: if we don't make amends and he's getting out? Y'all

1141
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 3: you see what I mean? So so yeah, yeah, yeah,

1142
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 3: that was that was crazy.

1143
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 5: Helped Lee Cowboys and Super Bowl wins in nineteen ninety three,

1144
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 5: ninety four, ninety six.

1145
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: Which one was the sweetest? Everybody in high school? Right

1146
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: right right? Everybody? Everybody always asks which one? Y'all know,

1147
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 2: nothing can ever topped that first one. Now I don't

1148
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: get what they say, Kay, nothing ever talked the first

1149
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: one because it's the first one. You know, all them dreams.

1150
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: That you've had all the time, I'm going to be

1151
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: realized in the first one, and the first one was

1152
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: right here in La.

1153
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: It just happened to be the right time. Man.

1154
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 3: It was man, we were crashing I think a the

1155
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: Face party, a Babyface party, a baby Face party. They

1156
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: were doing Award show Man. We were so loud and

1157
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: they were like, excuse me, you guys, kind of be

1158
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 3: down quiet in the back. We're trying to have a

1159
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 3: party here. So we are the party. What are you're

1160
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 3: talking about?

1161
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: Here? We are. We were out ahead, you know what

1162
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We were out of here. Man.

1163
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 3: It was nothing, nothing like that first one here. Man,

1164
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: you we walked hard. We walked out on the field

1165
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 3: at the start of that Super Bowl in Pasadena. You

1166
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: know how you talk about, man, all these games, they're

1167
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: just games. They're just games. I can play anywhere, it

1168
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. But you when you walk in a Super Bowl,

1169
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: it's a difference. It's not just a game, you know

1170
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's the crowd with crazy.

1171
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Man.

1172
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, like you got it. It

1173
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: takes your breath away. So there's nothing like that first one.

1174
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1175
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: When you line up against one of the best beats,

1176
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: what you named earlier. What's going through your mind as

1177
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: you get your feet sut handset and looking back in

1178
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: towards the quarterback.

1179
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 2: Hmm. Now, it depends on how I purposed out this game.

1180
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: You see.

1181
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: If I if I'm playing somebody, if I want to

1182
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 3: beat him, I'll attack his weakness like you know. But

1183
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: but if I if I'm playing somebody that I think

1184
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna play again, or I may see twice a

1185
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: year because he's in my division, then I may attack

1186
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: his strength. You see, I attack his weakness to beat him.

1187
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: I'm an attack his strength to break them.

1188
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: You see.

1189
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 3: If I'm gonna see you again, I want you to know.

1190
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: Like say, you're a physical cornerback and you like to

1191
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: try to be physical. Okay, now now I'm gonna come

1192
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 3: and show you I'm out physical in you. So where

1193
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: do you go?

1194
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: Now? You see what I mean?

1195
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: So my thought process is not always to play it's

1196
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: the man. I gotta beat the man, so I'm thinking

1197
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: through him. If it's if it's Darryl Green who's so

1198
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: fast and quick, I'm just out muscle stronger.

1199
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: But if I get a bigger guy, then I can

1200
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: out quick.

1201
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: The dim became a problem them was a problem because

1202
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: he was big and fast, you know what I mean,

1203
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: strong and and and and then I have to come

1204
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: up with more ways, and then he has all when

1205
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: you see them, when he's trying to put one leg back,

1206
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 3: he'll put one leg back when he comes to press.

1207
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: Because you can't beat me with both legs, Evra. You

1208
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: can't line up like this and I like this and

1209
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: you stop me. You see, I put in too much working.

1210
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: I understand this is football, but we are still incorporating

1211
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: laws of inertia. Like a moving for moving object, hidden

1212
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: the still object. Give me the same weight and size

1213
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: and move the still object. So okay, okay, I just

1214
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 3: gotta make sure I'm the moving object. I'm the moving

1215
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 3: object because I know the snapcount Blue eighteen, said Hud.

1216
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: I know it's one. I know it's two. For I'm

1217
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: a move before you. I know it. So now when I.

1218
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: Said here and you got your legs like this right here, chance,

1219
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: it's impossible for you to stop me because now I'm

1220
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 3: the moving object. If I hit right in you, I

1221
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 3: should move you. If I'm two ten and you're two ten,

1222
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: I hit you in the middle, I should move you.

1223
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna hit you in the middle. I'm

1224
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: gonna hit off that right shoulder. I'm gonna hit off

1225
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: that left shoulder. So I'm gonna take my two ten

1226
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 3: through your one oh five. It's impossible like this. I'm here,

1227
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 3: I'm there, I'm gone. So the starts doing this. So

1228
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: we mean force force with force right here in the

1229
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, I'm saying. So then I have to rethink. Okay,

1230
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 3: how am I gonna beat this joker?

1231
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: Now, you know?

1232
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: So it's always demand that I'm thinking about the game.

1233
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: I'll deliver how I'm gonna deliver it over him. I'm

1234
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: gonna either beat him, I'm gonna break them, but his

1235
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: ass gonna lose.

1236
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask you this.

1237
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 5: Now, you said receivers, they got ten different ways releasing

1238
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 5: off the line.

1239
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 3: Now that none of those work. That's stepping back and

1240
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: all that. All this, none of that ship work because

1241
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 3: you're letting the man win. His job is to throw

1242
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 3: up the timing of the play. You're giving it to

1243
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: him right now by stepping back. Ain't nobody designed to

1244
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: play where you stepped back across. But that's just Instagram bluff,

1245
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 3: Instagram star. It's all he is a bad words. You

1246
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: do all that you want and and and he's still there.

1247
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 3: So that was all a good thing. But my big

1248
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 3: boy about to hit your quarterback in the mouth. You

1249
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: still gotta calm this way. So all of that is no.

1250
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: I'm going right now.

1251
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: Who is someone who was a tough dB off the line,

1252
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: physical that we wouldn't think of.

1253
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 4: Who's someone will?

1254
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: Who is joker name James Hasty? Oh?

1255
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

1256
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: Strong that.

1257
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: He was so strong And I thought this this was

1258
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 3: this first time niggas messed with ever messed with my

1259
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: head because I was like Eagles. He played for the Chiefs.

1260
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: They chief man, oh man, I got, damn man. It

1261
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 3: came off when the dude I got. You know, you

1262
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: could feel when somebody street God, damn he's strong. Yeah

1263
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 3: it was Jame's Hasty. That dude. Now if he backs up,

1264
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: I can kill him. But he knew that. But he yeah,

1265
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: he knew that he was. He was He was very strong,

1266
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 3: strong stone.

1267
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: Du that stuff.

1268
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 5: Football. Football is scary. But you know, I've been carted off.

1269
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 5: I got undercut and couldn't fill my legs and been

1270
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 5: carted off and I just had back surgery. But you

1271
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 5: have to suffer cervical spine age in nineteen ninety nine.

1272
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: I guess the Eagles was.

1273
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 5: Carted off the field, Philly fans chair and ships showing

1274
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 5: no class talk about.

1275
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: That, you know what. I knew that I would never

1276
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: play again. Now.

1277
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 4: I tried in that moment.

1278
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because leaving him, leaving that day, man,

1279
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: I was playing with one the boys and everything, and

1280
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: I kept saying, we'll play when I get back. And

1281
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: I remember even saying it in my head man somewhere,

1282
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: and I don't know why I said it, but I said,

1283
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: I said, God, man, God, when I when I finished

1284
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: playing football, I'm gonna get right with God, you know

1285
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1286
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: And I spoke it.

1287
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: I spoke it, and God was like, I guess you said, oh,

1288
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 3: oh that's been the problem.

1289
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: Well let me get this out the way, you know.

1290
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, man, I thought about that when

1291
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: I laid on the God damn, because I was playing

1292
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 3: my son. I said, we'll play when I get back.

1293
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 3: I said, I guess there will be no play when

1294
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 3: I get back. Dude, and my leg, you know, because

1295
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 3: remember they were telling me I'm crossing my leg and

1296
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: I didn't know the severity of it. What made me

1297
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: know that it was because I couldn't really feel anything

1298
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: was when I looked up and I saw when you

1299
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: look up your ce don over me doing this praying, praying,

1300
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: And when I saw his face, then I got scared.

1301
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, you know, because I saw I

1302
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: saw fear in his face, and I got worried. And

1303
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 3: then they took me. They took me in, they took

1304
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 3: me to the hospital. Jerry wrote to the hospital with me.

1305
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna tell you something about the Eagles owner.

1306
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 3: He came into the hospital room and he was, you know,

1307
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: he was visibly shaking, His lips were shaken, and he apologized.

1308
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: He was trying to apologize for for what the fans

1309
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 3: had done. And I was like, you know, I told

1310
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: him I wanted to kind of give him some relief

1311
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: because I felt it on him, you know, And I said, listen,

1312
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 3: I said, I understand. And so those fans were not

1313
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 3: cheering and understand the severity of my injury. They were,

1314
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: you know, here the cowboys whooping that ass. So you

1315
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I understood what it was. It's

1316
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: so funny and Philly fans. Now I go to when

1317
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: I'm in Philly. You know that just they just they

1318
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 3: just they like me. They're real big fans, passionate fans.

1319
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 3: You know, I'm doing the game Green Bay in Philadelphia,

1320
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 3: playing in Philly, and I'm doing TV. Every time I

1321
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: get ready to talk, I split the down little song

1322
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: Dallas for.

1323
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 4: Life right right there.

1324
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, Dallas ain't even here, going to commercial and

1325
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: I'll go where I'm talking. What the hell is up? Yo?

1326
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: This is Green Bay in Philadelphia. What was the Dallas though?

1327
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: They said, Michael, we don't like each other, but the

1328
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 3: one thing we can agree on and we.

1329
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: Both hate Dallas more. And I was like, all right, right,

1330
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: so you know, yeah, it's just what that is, man,

1331
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 2: It's just the passion of the fan base.

1332
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: Well, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let

1333
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: us know, you play with Troy k mean, your entire career.

1334
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: If you would have had an opportunity to play with

1335
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: one more quarterback, what quarterback would that have been?

1336
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 2: Damn Marine? Damn Marine. I wanted to play with damn Marine. Know.

1337
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: Man in Miami, in Miami. In Miami, Man, they drafted

1338
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: James Pruitt. I think the year before me, I was like,

1339
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: they're not gonna do it back to back.

1340
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: But but but also when I think back, that's best.

1341
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: It's best. Somebody asked me one time, what was it

1342
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: like the night before games and all of that with

1343
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 2: the girls when you're winning Super Bowls? I said it

1344
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: was great. Man.

1345
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 3: I was focused, like I didn't have any problem with girls,

1346
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: you know, the night before a game, I'm about winning.

1347
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: I was focused unless it was a I N. And

1348
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: they said what was I N?

1349
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: I said, the Columbia or Brazilian and Italian and want

1350
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: all the things they got in Miami. You know what

1351
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: I mean?

1352
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 4: I feel it, son, it might.

1353
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: Have worked that good. Then I didn't play around all them.

1354
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. They'll keep you up. Who's

1355
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: your goat? And where sport? Football?

1356
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 3: Yes, honestly, to go to football, I would give it

1357
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: to Jed Rice. I called Jed Rice Jesus in Cleets.

1358
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. That's the joker I had

1359
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: in my locker and I wanted to chase all my life.

1360
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: Man. I just thought that he was. He was phenomenal, physical,

1361
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: physically phenomenal and to play for eighteen years. I only

1362
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: really played about nine years.

1363
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 3: Jerry got to play eighteen years.

1364
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: He used to me, Yeah, used to me. I would

1365
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: call the greatest.

1366
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 4: My god, one album you could listen to on repeat.

1367
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm one of them old fashioned dudes. I'm Quiet before

1368
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 3: the Storm. The only thing I could listen all day

1369
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: on repeat is Old Al Green, Old Al Green. You

1370
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 3: know That's what I listened to, um doing a rehab,

1371
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 3: all that everything and all that old Quiet Storm.

1372
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: Before I leave on leash. Hell, so that's what I

1373
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: listened to even going to the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1374
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 3: You know it comes from when when we were younger,

1375
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 3: back in then. You know, where you're sitting in the

1376
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 3: car playing the eight track tape, just you know, going

1377
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 3: over your rap. I'm trying to come up with a rap.

1378
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 3: Things I'm gonna say to the girl, call that your rap,

1379
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1380
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: So, so yeah, that that was my That was me.

1381
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: Top five receivers all the time.

1382
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 3: I get people all the time talking about this because

1383
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 3: they called more passes and everything. I always tell people,

1384
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, I think Jared Wright's the greatest player of

1385
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: all time. I think Jared Wriight's the greatest receiver all

1386
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: all the time. But as soon as you finished with that,

1387
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 3: e and right, you better start with the m and Michael.

1388
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. You Jerry one YouTube. I'm

1389
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 3: gonna go. I would go, man h, I thought you

1390
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 3: talked physically gifted or actually played with they did on

1391
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 3: the field, because physically gifted there was You start looking

1392
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: at a mega tron, you start looking at Andre Johnson.

1393
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm talking about think about this, Andre Johnson, Andre Johnson.

1394
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: I look at when I'm in the Hall of Fame,

1395
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 3: I look around and see Jed Wrights, I see his quarterbacks.

1396
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 3: I'm in there with my quarterback, you know. I see

1397
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 3: Stirling Shop, I see Brett Fahr. I look at Andre

1398
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: Johnson and I be like, damn, a'd you get in

1399
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 3: this room? Your quarterback ain't coming, His quarterbacks ain't coming.

1400
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 3: You see done that. Those are different kind of dudes

1401
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: right there. Andre Johnson got in this room, and his

1402
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 3: quarterback is known. His nickname is the pick six That Shop.

1403
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: That's a pick six.

1404
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: You know. He threw pick sixes up. So that's how

1405
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: bad that dude is.

1406
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 3: When you're talking about physically gifted, dude, now you're talking

1407
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 3: about results in physical gifts. Then you got to put

1408
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 3: in a random moss you know, Random Moss, so those

1409
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 3: that's just.

1410
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 2: That size, that big. Uh.

1411
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you a guy I love, I would

1412
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: throw in one of my top five all time is

1413
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 3: Andre Reid. Whole body going, you know, I put and

1414
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 3: I'm throwing Andre Reed right.

1415
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: Andre Reid was a.

1416
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 3: Bad man inside outside, prior to what what they got

1417
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 3: out and what they're doing now. So yeah, I would

1418
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 3: probably Jerry Rice and putting me in there.

1419
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: I want to go boy that boy, bad boy Untre

1420
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 2: Johnson such a bad boy, just just a bad boy.

1421
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 3: But but I'll go Random Moss, Andre Reid, and m

1422
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 3: Andre was just he didn't have the thing of things

1423
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 3: around him to get him to where he's winning championships

1424
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 3: and everything and all that you put t o in there,

1425
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 3: I put in there?

1426
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: What what? What? What do you rate?

1427
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 5: Lar fis Jeral because I was a big fan of

1428
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 5: laughing man to catch everything, everything. Everything. I was glad

1429
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 5: Larry got Kirk Warner later. But but there is another

1430
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 5: guy that was a phenomenal, phenomenal receiver, and Chris Carter.

1431
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 5: There's so many of them, it's so many, but so

1432
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 5: many people do different things. Like Chris Carter is not

1433
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 5: going to outrun anybody. But I think Chris Carter got

1434
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 5: some of the best hands you've guaranteed on third downs.

1435
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,440
Speaker 3: Guaranteed best hands in the world, man, And he understood

1436
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 3: the game in a great way.

1437
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,839
Speaker 4: Ranked these three, m j Kobe, Lebron.

1438
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: This is a hell of a debate, now, y' y'all, y'all,

1439
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: y'all get into this all the time, and people get

1440
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: into this all this, and I think Jordan is a phenomenal,

1441
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: phenomenal player, and certainly all that he has gotten he deserves.

1442
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 3: But when you look at Lebron and what Lebron has done,

1443
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 3: even cold and Kobe is a great player, phenomena, but

1444
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: you look at Lebron and what he has done, Lebron

1445
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 3: has changed things in a big way. Michael All, Michael

1446
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 3: joined accomplished and all he's done, and all he did,

1447
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: he couldn't get his own owner to extend Numb another year.

1448
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 2: Like, dude, come on, man, is what are you doing here?

1449
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: What is that?

1450
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: Lebron came in a different way and has done a

1451
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 3: different thing.

1452
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: And now Lebron has some control. He changed the business basketball, right,

1453
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: It's not just dribbling his business acremen incredible. You gotta

1454
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: give him some tips.

1455
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 3: I remember they were arguing that he wouldn't with him

1456
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 3: and cobD was in the All Star Game, right, and

1457
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 3: Kobe wanted to go one on one with him.

1458
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: One on one.

1459
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 3: You know, we want for Mail to show up and

1460
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: take over. A for Male showed me got the but

1461
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 3: that wasn't his game plan. He's like, I don't have

1462
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 3: to show up and take over. I really want to

1463
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 3: take over. So instead of beating down the top players

1464
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 3: like a for Mail, he was like, no, I'm trying

1465
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 3: to partner with these guys so we could do bigger

1466
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 3: and better things. We can have more control. Lebron got

1467
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 3: way more control than Michael Jordan never.

1468
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: Had over this whole thing.

1469
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 3: So we started talking about goat boy. I mean on

1470
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 3: the court, you can say on the court, you could

1471
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 3: say Michael Jordan's was the go of the court.

1472
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna say Lebron James is to go.

1473
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 3: It's in on the court and of the court, and

1474
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: Lebron of the court because what he has done in basketball,

1475
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: he's the goat.

1476
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 2: But plean, I'll give it to Michael, no doubt.

1477
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 3: They're both billionaires. Childhood crushed my child. Jenny Jackson. Janet

1478
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 3: like that my wife look look like Janey Jackson. Boy,

1479
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 3: I told boy, Janet Jackson was my baby.

1480
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 4: No, thank god.

1481
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 3: If I hey, boy, if I'd met Janney Jackson, they

1482
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 3: had another Michael.

1483
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: Jackson got damn right up, goddamn right, all right, I'm praised.

1484
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: I'm praised, But I lied. I ain't lied.

1485
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 4: Teammates you ever had on what team?

1486
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh? Man?

1487
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 3: I was so blessed with funny teammates, like I told you,

1488
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 3: like like Nate Nude, Charles Haley, all these jokes. Man,

1489
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 3: We've had some crazy, crazy teammates. I mean, Charles is

1490
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 3: Charles is as crazy as any man, you know. And

1491
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 3: and I've done some crazy things, you know, so so yeah,

1492
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: I would have to go.

1493
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: Crazy as Charles crazy at char Funny is probably Nate Nude,

1494
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:40,440
Speaker 2: big big from Charles got both of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1495
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: both of us. Charles is the mug man. Yeah, that's

1496
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 2: my dude. I love him so much. Man, that's crazy, dude.

1497
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 5: If you could see one guest on All the smoke,

1498
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 5: who would it be? But you have to help us

1499
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 5: get your answer on this show, y'all.

1500
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 3: How many times I've come through here, I'm amazed my

1501
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 3: first time even getting here. You guys always here with

1502
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 3: pump with the pump, right it was our second year

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 3: take care man, right man. So him, it would be good,

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: a great interview. You got to have that, Dion of course.

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01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah that's our guy. That's the one in Colorado.

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Speaker 2: All that. Yeah, that's O I got Okay, Okay, you

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01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: got it, you got it. Yeah, I wouldn't have You

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: guys have had Tyreek Hill. Yep.

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 3: I think Tyreek Hill, I know I haven't seen. I

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01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 3: think Tyreek Hill is unique dude, you know, a very unique,

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Speaker 3: cool dude. I like to see like it's a game,

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, because we got some of the Napoleon in him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 3: It makes you great, it makes them great. So I'm

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 3: okay with that. Who else would be very interesting? H

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01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 3: gotten Jane Daniels yet, young quarterback. I think that'll be

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 3: awesome because there's so much around him and so much

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01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: going on with him, and he's so you know, and

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01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 3: then with all this with his mother stuff and all

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01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 3: of that, you know what I mean. I would wonder

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01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: just from outside looking in, like I would ask what

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: kind of relationship he asked with his dad? You know

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01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 3: and all of that.

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Speaker 4: That's a good car.

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01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 2: Like it's true he's dating superstar. I hope so is

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 2: talking about your girl basketball player? Did you walk? That's

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01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 2: why they say her name? You do? You know? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. But I hope so I was.

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01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 3: I saw that and I saw my so mom mom

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Speaker 3: sitting between I say, no, come on, let that will go.

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Speaker 2: Right right now.

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 3: Now, if she came from one of them what's your

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01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 3: name club? Put something, you're gonna sit between her. But

1534
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 3: but that one never let that one go there.

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy documentary coming out of Netflix.

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01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 4: When does it come out?

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 2: August nineteen? It out?

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Speaker 4: Uh, we didn't talk about the White House. I'm sure

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01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 4: y'all talk about that in there.

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Speaker 2: Boy what white House you talking about? We appreciate you,

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 2: jos my guy. We appreciate you, Brobo. Why are you

1542
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 2: praying up? Trump out? Ship? Happened to that?

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Speaker 4: That's a wrap, my girve.

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Speaker 1: But you can find us on all the Smoke productions

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01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: and the DraftKings Network.

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Speaker 4: We'll see y'all next week.