WEBVTT - DC Police Takeover Update feat. Bridget Todd

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<v Speaker 1>Al Zone Media Gaire.

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<v Speaker 2>The last time that you and I spoke was about

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hours after Trump announced the takeover of DC's police force.

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<v Speaker 2>It had really just happened, so I didn't really have

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of clarity about how things were going to

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<v Speaker 2>be taking shape and what resistance or pushback would look like.

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<v Speaker 2>Now today that we're speaking Friday, September twelfth, it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a little over about thirty days since all of this

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<v Speaker 2>went down, and I feel like we're due for an

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<v Speaker 2>update from my hometown, the District of Columbia.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you say?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, we're at the deadline. So now Trump can no

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<v Speaker 1>longer do anything. The city's back. God, I wish you're

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<v Speaker 1>free once again.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my God, from your lips to God's ears. So

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<v Speaker 2>I did want to set the stage a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>up top. You know, I'm a journalist, but I am

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<v Speaker 2>also an advocate for DC statehood first and foremost. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I need to make sure some thing is

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<v Speaker 2>super clear, which is that how entwined all of this

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<v Speaker 2>is to DC's lack of statehood. After the last time

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<v Speaker 2>that you and I spoke, there a listener said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>why is she making this whole thing about statehood. How

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<v Speaker 2>would DC being a state change anything? How would two

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<v Speaker 2>more Democratic senators change anything? Why are you making it

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<v Speaker 2>about that? And I thought, oop, I did not do

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<v Speaker 2>a good enough job of making clear why the takeover

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<v Speaker 2>in DC could happen at all, and the ways that

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<v Speaker 2>DC's lack of statehood is at the heart of that issue.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just sort of the soup that I swim

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<v Speaker 2>in all day, every day, So I forget that's not

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<v Speaker 2>true for everybody. For some of you, this might be

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<v Speaker 2>a refresher, and you might know this already, But the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why Trump started all of this in DC is

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<v Speaker 2>because DC is not a state. You know, As president,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has a lot more authority over DC than he

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<v Speaker 2>has over any other place in the country. So while

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<v Speaker 2>Trump talking about sending the National Guard into other cities is.

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<v Speaker 1>Awful, he wants to do it to Chicago's so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>so bad, but he doesn't have the ability to. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's really upset about that, so much so that he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to cancel a degree of the plans for

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<v Speaker 1>National Guard deployment to Chicago. Inst going to cooperate with

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana because the governor is okay with working with Trump

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<v Speaker 1>on that in Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly exactly did you see this is like a

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<v Speaker 2>non secorder. But the tweet that he put out, like

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<v Speaker 2>the AI generated tweet that's they're gonna find out why

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<v Speaker 2>we call it's the Department of War. Then it was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we were just deaf kidding and just yes, delete that tweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that was just a joke, which is into like downplay,

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<v Speaker 1>like the amount of federal resources currently in Chicago. ICE

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<v Speaker 1>in DHS have been very busy in Chicago, and I

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<v Speaker 1>believe Friday morning, the day that we recorded this, ICE

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<v Speaker 1>killed somebody in Chicago during an enforcement action. So this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't to say, you know, Chicago's freed from Trump's federal forces.

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<v Speaker 1>ICE is still operating in Chicago as they have been,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least the National Guard deployment like mass military

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<v Speaker 1>style occupation is unlikely in the near future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is great context, and I think it also

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<v Speaker 2>illustrates why what's happening in DC is so unique and

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<v Speaker 2>could not happen anywhere else in the country. So while

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is talking about wanting to send the National Guard

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<v Speaker 2>to other cities, he does not have the broad authority

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<v Speaker 2>to take over local police forces. In those cities the

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<v Speaker 2>way that he did in DC. And even if he did,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, exercise what authority he could have over local

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<v Speaker 2>police and other cities, say like in an emergency situation,

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<v Speaker 2>it still wouldn't be the attempt to take.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the police force like we saw in DC.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when this first happened, Tam Bondy was literally trying

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<v Speaker 2>to replace DC's chief of police briefly successfully until DC's

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General, Brian Schwab sued. Right, and so yeah, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>does not have the authority to oust local leaders and

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<v Speaker 2>other cities and states. Even if Trump sent the National

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<v Speaker 2>Guard to Memphis, Memphis still has a mayor, Tennessee has

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<v Speaker 2>a governor, there's senators, congressional representation. Because DC is not

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<v Speaker 2>a state, Trump working with Congress could take over our city, elset,

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<v Speaker 2>our mayor, and our city council. He has been talking

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<v Speaker 2>about doing that as recently as this morning. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to play a quick clip. He does lie in this

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<v Speaker 2>clip because technically he doesn't have the authority. It has

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<v Speaker 2>to go through Congress. But you know, I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>our Congress really standing up to whatever Trump wants anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if Congress were to provoke DC's home rule.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Trump would be able to appoint whoever he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to run d C. So I want to play a

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<v Speaker 2>clip of him talking about this weirdly in Oppressor about

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<v Speaker 2>that Charlie Kirk murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what he had to say.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the mayor's asked us to say, you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>have a Democrat mayor. He was asked us today. And

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<v Speaker 4>DC's a little bit different because I could federalize it

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<v Speaker 4>if I want. You know, DC's a little bit of different.

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<v Speaker 4>So we have a lot of a lot. We have

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<v Speaker 4>actually more power in DC because it's you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>can change the mayor if I want, I can do

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<v Speaker 4>whatever I want. I haven't had to. We've had a

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<v Speaker 4>great relationship with the mayor. We've had a great relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody's happy, and the mayor was not in favor of it,

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<v Speaker 4>but first we forced and then she saw the results

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going up them.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you her. We have no crime anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Ugh, Okay, I gotta stop it because I can't even

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even listen to him bloviate on that.

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<v Speaker 3>But again he's kind of lying here.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a reality where Trump single handedly is

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<v Speaker 2>in control of DC. So it would have to take

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<v Speaker 2>Congress overturning DC's home Rule, but I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>would be terribly difficult for him to achieve. And if

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<v Speaker 2>that does happen, he is right that he could appoint

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<v Speaker 2>whoever he wanted to be in control of DC. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the GOP has already introduced legislation that would revoke

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<v Speaker 2>DC's home rule entirely, something that Trump says that he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to do. To be super clear, this would mean

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<v Speaker 2>that all of the little things that you rely on

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<v Speaker 2>and probably take for granted about your day to day

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<v Speaker 2>local life, your social services, your trash pick up, how

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<v Speaker 2>your streets are run, your public transport, Trump would be

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of literally all of that. For me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>important to me that people understand how bad of a

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<v Speaker 2>situation that would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be unprecedented.

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<v Speaker 2>So just to put a pin in that, even though

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is talking about setting the National Guard to other cities,

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<v Speaker 2>DC's lack of statehood really makes what's happening here unlike

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<v Speaker 2>any other place in the country. DC is uniquely vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to all of the racial equity and democracy

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<v Speaker 2>implications for statehood, the reality is everyday lives of more

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<v Speaker 2>than a half a million people who live here like

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<v Speaker 2>me are made more vulnerable by DC's lack of statehood.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I am like on my statehood soapbox, that

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<v Speaker 2>is why, because the lack of statehood in DC just

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<v Speaker 2>makes us very vulnerable to having somebody like Trump really

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<v Speaker 2>exercise an unprecedented amount of control that we will not

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<v Speaker 2>see anywhere else in the United States. So just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to make that clear. Okay, So now I have some

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<v Speaker 2>updates about the situation. As you said, Garrison, the crime

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<v Speaker 2>Emergency in DC, which sort of kicked all of this off, has.

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<v Speaker 3>Come to an end. Free that's over. Mission accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>We did it, mission accomplished, So it.

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<v Speaker 2>Lasted thirty days and it's come to an end. However,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no guarantee that Trump couldn't just declare another one.

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<v Speaker 2>The optics of that would be a little weird because

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<v Speaker 2>he's been talking, as we just heard in that clip,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been talking about how crime is down to zero

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<v Speaker 2>in DC except for domestic violence, which everybody knows isn't

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<v Speaker 2>really a crime, right, Like, he made it very clear

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<v Speaker 2>that he feels like crime has gone to zero, So

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<v Speaker 2>will be pretty weird to then institute another crime emergency

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<v Speaker 2>in DC.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of got what he wanted to with the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor agreeing to cooperate with him someone hmmm exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So, to be super clear, even with the crime emergency

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<v Speaker 2>in DC ending that in no way means an end

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<v Speaker 2>to things like the National Guard in our streets or

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<v Speaker 2>checkpoints which have just been horrifying, and the surge that

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing in federal law enforcement, because those are two

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<v Speaker 2>distant things. And in the last few weeks of this,

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<v Speaker 2>what's really become just abundantly clear is that this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing was about immigration. Even after all the talk of

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<v Speaker 2>crime and DC, it became very clear that this is

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<v Speaker 2>less about crime and more about enforcing Trump's immigration agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>As you sort of alluded to early on, before she

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<v Speaker 2>really changed her tune about Tukes into the takeover, our mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>Muriel Bowser held a press conference where she said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if Trump's goal was to deport migrants and bring an ice,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he didn't have to take over MPD to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. He should have just outright said that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted to do, instead of making it this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing about crime. Don't ask her to repeat that sentiment. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't think that she would. She's really really

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<v Speaker 2>changed her tune, which we'll talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>In a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one of the things that makes it complicated

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<v Speaker 2>is that when you're talking about immigration detention versus other

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of arrests, it just becomes a lot harder to

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<v Speaker 2>have transparency into what's going on. But the Associated Press

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<v Speaker 2>reported that dated from the federal operation analyzed by the

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<v Speaker 2>AP shows that more than forty percent of the arrests

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<v Speaker 2>made over the month long operation were related to immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>They spoke to Austin Rose, a managing attorney for the

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<v Speaker 2>AMICA Center for Immigrant Rights, who said the federal takeover

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<v Speaker 2>has been a cover to do federal immigration enforcement. It

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<v Speaker 2>became pretty clear early on that this was a major

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<v Speaker 2>campaign of immigration enforcement, and that's just it's really hard

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<v Speaker 2>to deny that this was just another increasing plank of

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<v Speaker 2>the president's agenda on immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think you can certainly look at the

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<v Speaker 1>anti crime narratives getting a lot of traction on the

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<v Speaker 1>right with that pretty gruesome murder in North Carolina last

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<v Speaker 1>week as well, and like, absolutely the crime angle is

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<v Speaker 1>part of the rhetorical strategy Trump is using. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a right wing populist president doing a crime crackdown. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is unheard of, this is unprecedented. No, like, of

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<v Speaker 1>course they're going to use that angle. But yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>underdiscussed element of this is how much this has just

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<v Speaker 1>been a cover to do a rapid increase in the

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<v Speaker 1>number of immigration actions around DC. Well, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like forty percent, So still another sixty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of arrests is just affecting the other DC residents, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of that is tying to this national crime

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<v Speaker 1>wave narratives that these people are also pushing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>these things work together. They're not necessarily like oppositional analyzes

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<v Speaker 1>of what's going on. But the immigration angle has been

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<v Speaker 1>very under discussed in the DC occupation.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, it's hard to discuss because I think we

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<v Speaker 2>have to really have some honest conversations. It is true

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<v Speaker 2>that DC experienced a surge in violent crime in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three. That surge thankfully went down, But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that crime is just one of those issues where people

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<v Speaker 2>who other rise are invested in telling nuanced, thoughtful stories

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<v Speaker 2>about complex issues. I see a lot of that nuance

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<v Speaker 2>and thoughtfulness go right out the window when we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about crime. And I think that we really let the

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<v Speaker 2>right dominate the conversation about crime in our cities and

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways hijack that conversation. And I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that dynamic is part and parcel to how we got here. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a b in my bonnet about some of

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<v Speaker 2>the sloppy journalism, like local journalism, people who really should

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<v Speaker 2>know better about crime. You know, we had a wave

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<v Speaker 2>of businesses shut and they would say, oh, we're shutting

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<v Speaker 2>because of crime, and it's like, yeah, look, you actually

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<v Speaker 2>look and you're thinking, oh, well, this is a cashless business.

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of crime were you experiencing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no way. Using crime as this excuse in

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<v Speaker 1>post COVID economic decline has been extremely convenient for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of corporations. And yeah, I guess like the degree

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<v Speaker 1>to which we've seeded territory on that same way, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we see a territory on like the border and immigration,

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<v Speaker 1>but specifically sitting territory on discussion of crime allowed operating

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<v Speaker 1>space for Trump to deploy this narrative, which then was

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<v Speaker 1>used to hurt a lot of immigrants exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And in DC we saw much tighter coordination with immigration

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<v Speaker 2>officials with our local police force, especially at checkpoints where

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<v Speaker 2>police would work with ice even if someone was not

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise detained or in custody. I did an interview with

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<v Speaker 2>the Washington Posts Tayu Armis, who covers immigrant communities here

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<v Speaker 2>in DC, and he told me that this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>was essentially an attack on the policies that make a

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<v Speaker 2>city like DC what is commonly thought of as a

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<v Speaker 2>sanctuary city. I don't love the phrase sanctuary city, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, you know laws that do

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<v Speaker 2>not require police departments to coordinate with immigration officials.

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<v Speaker 3>Really that it was an attack.

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<v Speaker 2>On those, Yeah, totally, Yeah, I mean, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's important that we call that out for what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. And this is difficult for me personally, but

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<v Speaker 2>not get lost in debating what Trump is laying out

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<v Speaker 2>about crime, because when you understand that it's not really

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<v Speaker 2>about crime, then you don't have to do that debating, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, well, it's not really about crime, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's not waste time debating what we both can plainly

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<v Speaker 2>see this is not really about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because DC is just faking all crimes. Yes, anyway, right, bridget.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh, don't even get me started gare.

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<v Speaker 2>And so something that Tayu told me in our interview

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<v Speaker 2>that I found very troubling is that, again, when someone

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<v Speaker 2>is detained because of a suspected immigration related issue, we

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<v Speaker 2>just have a lot less information and transparency than if

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<v Speaker 2>they were being arrested for another kind of crime. He

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<v Speaker 2>described it as a black box that is difficult to penetrate,

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<v Speaker 2>which is obviously heightened when you have masked agents pulling

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<v Speaker 2>people out of cars at checkpoints and doing things like

0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.880
<v Speaker 2>literally hitting delivery drivers with vehicles right like, it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult to really even understand what's going on, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's by design.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to find them in the system because these

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<v Speaker 1>people often aren't even charged with their crime, remaining in

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<v Speaker 1>the country past. The explosion of a visa isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>crime exactly, So so these people are brained as quoe

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<v Speaker 1>uquote criminal migrants that often is factually incorrect, if factually

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<v Speaker 1>incorrect even matters anymore, which it increasingly does not, it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean, as you said, we know that

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant communities are not committing more crime than the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the population, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So estimates would show less actually exactly because they don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to get deported.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, again, I feel myself getting pulled back

0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.240
<v Speaker 2>into Trump's he he gets me go like circling the

0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:26.960
<v Speaker 2>drain with this where it's like, well, if you really

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<v Speaker 2>cared about crime, you would want immigrant communities to feel

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable talking to believes with the understanding that they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be deported if they reported a crime, or

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<v Speaker 2>if they witnessed a crime, or if they saw crime.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, it's not really about crime, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to I don't have to get myself pulled into.

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<v Speaker 1>That, no, because it's entirely racialized. That's like the big

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<v Speaker 1>common denominator here, even with the anti crime narrative and

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<v Speaker 1>the immigration stuff, is that it's all racialized violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I mean, I'm glad that you brought that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Just as a personal note. I live in Columbia Heights,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a heavily black and brown neighborhood, a very

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<v Speaker 2>thriving Latino population, and it really just has been awful.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I live on a very busy street that runs right

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<v Speaker 2>through the city and like checkpoints on either side of

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<v Speaker 2>my street.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was listening to.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a Kara Swisher podcast and She

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<v Speaker 2>also lives in DC, and she was saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't really noticed any big changes, and I'm thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Kara, Yeah, yeah, I bet, I bet you aren't noticing

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<v Speaker 1>many changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I bet you haven't noticed any changes. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've lived in DC most of my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen checkpoints where people are physically dragged out

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<v Speaker 2>of cars and in this way. So I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't live in a neighborhood like this, you might

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<v Speaker 2>be able to get away with saying, oh, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen any big changes, or nothing's really changed, or maybe

0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I just see the National Guard when I leave my house.

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<v Speaker 2>But in neighborhoods like mine, the change.

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<v Speaker 3>Is very real.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put it that way. So you brought up the mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>which I did want to briefly touch on. I have

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<v Speaker 2>been called out on this very podcast for being too

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<v Speaker 2>sympathetic to our mayor, which is actually funny to me

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<v Speaker 2>because on my other podcast all we do is call

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<v Speaker 2>her out. But the point that I have tried to make,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think this is the nature of that of

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<v Speaker 2>that critique, is that I do think it is important

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<v Speaker 2>that people understand that our lack of statehood in DC

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<v Speaker 2>does put our mayor in a position where her authority

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<v Speaker 2>is just realistically a lot more limited than other elected officials.

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<v Speaker 2>But even in that situation with realistically limited authority, her

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<v Speaker 2>play here has been cozying up to Trump. And that

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<v Speaker 2>is one hundred percent a choice. That is not something

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<v Speaker 2>that other elected officials in DC have done.

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<v Speaker 3>That is one hundred percent a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a choice in an attempt in some ways

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<v Speaker 1>to diffuse the situation to not have Trump escalate, to

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<v Speaker 1>not go into a even more like legally uncharted territory, right,

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<v Speaker 1>to not accelerate the conflict. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are critiquing this move actually would be

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<v Speaker 1>very interested in this point, in accelerating this conflict, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>what Trump will actually do stress tests even more of

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<v Speaker 1>our democracy, and a lot of people are interested in

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<v Speaker 1>watching the results of that happen. And I can see

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<v Speaker 1>how someone like Bowser doesn't want to do that, But

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<v Speaker 1>that opens her up for a lot of critique. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in what you said about like other city officials,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not something I've heard as much about, is her

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cooperating with Trump compared to the stance of

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<v Speaker 1>other city officials.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look at DC's Attorney General Brian Schwab, who

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<v Speaker 2>has been out here suing the Trump administration somewhat successfully

0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and has been a much more obvious fighter for DC. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so like, he is certainly not playing nice. He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna fight this in the courts. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to try to take over our city, we will see.

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<v Speaker 3>You in court.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so curious what the conversations are like between Bowser

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<v Speaker 2>and Schwab, but it just reveals to me that capitulating

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<v Speaker 2>and cozying up. I'm not gonna say it's not a strategy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's certainly a choice. And to your earlier there

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<v Speaker 2>are definitely people who say, hey, she's playing nice with Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>D C still has home rule, DC still has a mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>and the crime emergency has ended. Those are all good things,

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<v Speaker 2>and being a resident of DC, I will happily say

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see how far Trump will go

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<v Speaker 2>on this. I want this to end. I want you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not someone who was like, yeah, like, let the

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<v Speaker 2>chips fall where they may. I want my trash picked up.

0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.359
<v Speaker 2>I want my you know, my neighbors kids to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go to school all of that. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that's understandable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's the complex thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that, you know, early on in this,

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<v Speaker 2>Bowser was talking about how crime in DC was down,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Trump said on social media, oh, Bowser better

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<v Speaker 2>get her story straight on the crime numbers or things

0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.040
<v Speaker 2>are gonna get worse, And days later she was taking

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<v Speaker 2>in a very different tune. She did a press conference

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<v Speaker 2>where she thanked the federal government. She did stop short

0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.600
<v Speaker 2>of thanking Trump specifically, but thanking the federal government for

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<v Speaker 2>helping DC with the crime issue. And I guess, as

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who's been following Bowser for as long as I have,

0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.680
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't terribly surprising in an episode I did of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Could happen here. I think back in January.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about how her stance with Trump this time

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<v Speaker 2>around was like concession after concession after concession, So it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>This falls in line with that, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, And I do think that people need to understand

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<v Speaker 2>that in a lot of ways Bowser and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean this in the way that it's going to sound,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, I do think that there is alignment between

0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Bowser and Trump on a lot of issues, crime potentially

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<v Speaker 2>being one of them. Right, when we were talking about

0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:45.879
<v Speaker 2>how Trump wanted Bowser to dismantle encampments in DC, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't like Bowser as some friend to the homeless.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the specific encampment in question, she already had

0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:56.520
<v Speaker 2>plans to demolish, just later on on a slower timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a class alignment among people in the political

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.080
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote elite. Right. You can look at Gavin Newsom's

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.879
<v Speaker 1>extreme anti homeless policies and compare that to Trump's extreme

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.520
<v Speaker 1>anti homeless policies, and yeah, they have class alignment on

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.359
<v Speaker 1>that issue, even if Gavin might be against Trump on

0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 1>some other issues, though he has his own fair share

0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.159
<v Speaker 1>of concessions to Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you said it, friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, I like that I'm on a first name basis

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<v Speaker 1>with Gavin.

0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:26.359
<v Speaker 3>I know, gab.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcaster solidarity and as we've seen the past week, podcaster

0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.440
<v Speaker 1>solidarity most important thing. Ooh yes, oh yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Also also fellow, iHeart podcaster.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe for Gavin. Yeah, and yeah, hope he joins

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<v Speaker 1>the union.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Same, And I guess I should say to your point

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<v Speaker 2>about the complexities about you know, the way that Bowser,

0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.520
<v Speaker 2>our mayor is playing this. It's true that it's good

0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.560
<v Speaker 2>that the crime emergency has ended, that DC still has

0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.040
<v Speaker 2>home rule. We still have a mayor, we saw the

0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.440
<v Speaker 2>city council as of today. And even if you will say, well,

0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.240
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, the mayor CosIng up with Trump, like

0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you have that to thank that's why that's happening. Our

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.200
<v Speaker 2>mayor is really making no friends with other black mayors

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<v Speaker 2>in cities like Chicago and Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to assume.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when she does press conferences where she talks about

0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.960
<v Speaker 2>how having federal troops in DC has been good for

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 2>the city, how crime it's gone down, when you have

0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 2>these other cities that are currently trying to fend off

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.119
<v Speaker 2>federal takeovers from Trump. So even if her CosIng up

0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.520
<v Speaker 2>with Trump has led to d C specifically being able

0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.959
<v Speaker 2>to enjoy home rule for another day, at what cost

0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 2>if it enables Trump's actions in other cities.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, me putting on my skull mask as I

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<v Speaker 1>bring out my chessboarding the accelerationist collapse of DC and

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.959
<v Speaker 1>how that affects a larger political situation in the United States. Yes,

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.399
<v Speaker 1>how much of DC am I willing to sacrifice to

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:51.719
<v Speaker 1>see how far Trump will go.

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's tough.

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:57.479
<v Speaker 2>It's complicated because obviously, as a DC resident, I want

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.640
<v Speaker 2>to have a safe and peaceful existence for myself here

0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 2>in DC. But it's not happening in a vacuum, and

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 2>so I also have to think about, you know, the

0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.600
<v Speaker 2>national implications for other cities. And you know, I don't

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.879
<v Speaker 2>envy our mayor. I guess I don't envy many mayors. Oh.

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I am firmly believe if you want to become the

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 2>mayor of a city like DC, Baltimore, Chicago, something has

0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 2>to be wrong with you.

0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.200
<v Speaker 1>And Bridget Todd has come out against Zorn Mamdani officially

0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:26.480
<v Speaker 1>it could happen here podcast No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, I'm just saying I mean, yeah, I'll say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Who wants a job like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like aod nightmare.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I had a friend who was like vying to be

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the head of comms for the Baltimore Police Department, and

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Wow, you are a massacre.

0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.159
<v Speaker 1>That's even a weirder, that's even weirder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like the I can't imagine to never know

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<v Speaker 2>peace and not get into heaven. He's probably listening and thinking, oh,

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>why should talking shit about me? And so it is complicated,

0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and I do think it's important as an As much

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 2>as I want DC to be a safe place where

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.919
<v Speaker 2>I can walk outside and not see people getting dragged

0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:08.719
<v Speaker 2>out of cars and federal checkpoints and all of that,

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 2>we do need to think about the larger picture here.

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 2>And people that I've talked to with regards to the mayor,

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 2>they tell me that, oh, it seems like she is

0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>just not interested in the like the polling of these decisions,

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.080
<v Speaker 2>because the conversations that I am having people are not

0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.439
<v Speaker 2>happy with her. In the spaces I am in. The

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>conversation is like, how do we recall this mayor? Like,

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:31.359
<v Speaker 2>even though we might have these sort of things that

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.080
<v Speaker 2>you consider victories, DC enjoying home rules, still having a mayor,

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 2>a city council, all of that, people are really really

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 2>really not happy with our mayor. Yeah, so looking ahead

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>at what's coming up next. Even though the crime emergency

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 2>is ending, this whole thing is.

0:23:58.359 --> 0:23:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Very far from over.

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:02.440
<v Speaker 2>The fight for the self determination of DC as far

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.679
<v Speaker 2>from over in ways that have in a lot of

0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:05.880
<v Speaker 2>ways nothing.

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 3>To do with Trump.

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 2>There are thirteen bills in the House aimed at directly

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 2>taking action at DC. Many of them are direct assaults

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>on DC's home rules. There are provisions that would make

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 2>it easier for Congress to overturn DC home rule. There

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 2>are provisions that lower the age of when you can

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.400
<v Speaker 2>be tried as an adult for crimes from sixteen to fourteen.

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 2>There is a provision that would give Congress longer time

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 2>to review DC's laws. Right now, it's thirty days. They

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>would change it to sixty days. All of DC's laws

0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:37.479
<v Speaker 2>have to go through Congress. It is a nightmare, Like

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>it is a whole thing. The biggest of these bills

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 2>in the House right now is of course, wanting to

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 2>overturn DC's ability for district residents to elect our own

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 2>attorney general instead of having an attorney general appointed by Trump.

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 2>If that bill were to become law, it would mean

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that our current attorney general, the person who I would argue,

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.359
<v Speaker 2>has sort of emerged as the If there was a

0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 2>single person that you could look at and be like, oh,

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>this person is trying to fight for DC's home rule

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and authority, Brian Schwab, he would be fired immediately and

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Trump would be able to replace him with whoever he chose.

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Not somebody that district residents elected or voted for or

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 2>campaigned for, just whoever Trump wanted, and that term would

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>run concurrent with the.

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 3>President of the United States.

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.919
<v Speaker 2>So obviously, you know, some of these pieces are not

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>overturning home rule entirely, but they are clearly attacks on

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 2>DC's ability to govern itself and the self determination of

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 2>folks here in the district.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to discuss what's going to happen with

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the Safe and Beautiful Task Force? Oh no, but I

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>can has mean passed the expiration of the order, Bowser's

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>establishment of the task force to continue federal cooperation. Yes,

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like one of the most immediate, like

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 1>continuing aspects of this story. And it's like unclear how

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:59.360
<v Speaker 1>much this heightened federal presence will last past the expiration

0:25:59.400 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>of the order.

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<v Speaker 3>So in a.

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Press conference, I have to say, Bowser was pretty tight

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 2>lipped when asked directly about all of that, and so

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it sounds like wade and see, like

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 2>she really did not give clear answers. And so I

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 2>walked away from that presser being just as confused as

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:18.719
<v Speaker 2>you probably are, just disconfused as listeners are. I do

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>think in part that speaks to the unprecedented nature of

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 2>the way that Trump is dealing with DC right now,

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of like they might genuinely not know, but the fact

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 2>of the way that she has been so tight lipped.

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I hate giving this answer, but I think it's a

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>wade and see kind of situation. Yeah, fair, Hi, this

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>is Future Bridget coming in on Monday night to say

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 2>that we actually got more clarity on the question of

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>whether or not police in DC would continue working with

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 2>federal immigration officials after DC's crime emergency ended. DC's Mayor

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Muriel Bowser was still being pretty tight lipped about this

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>when Gary and I were speaking about it on Friday,

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:59.280
<v Speaker 2>but on Monday, September fifteenth, it was reported that Bowser

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:02.719
<v Speaker 2>had announced that d C's Police Department MPD would no

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>longer be assisting immigration officials with immigration enforcement the way

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 2>they had been during the crime emergency. Bowser said immigration

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>enforcement is not what MPD does, and with the end

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 2>of the emergency, it won't be what MPD does. Trump

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>did not like this, and on Monday, Trump renewed threats

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 2>to federalize DC's police again if the department does not

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:29.400
<v Speaker 2>cooperate with ice saying, quote, under pressure from the radical

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 2>left Democrats, Mayor Muriel Bowser, who has presided over this violent,

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 2>criminal takeover of our capital for years, has informed the

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 2>federal government that the Metropolitan Police Department will no longer

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 2>cooperate with ICE in removing and relocating dangerous illegal aliens.

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.360
<v Speaker 2>If I allowed this to happen, all caps crime would

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 2>come roaring back to the people and businesses of Washington,

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 2>d C. All caps, don't worry. I am with you

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 2>and won't allow this to happen. I'll call a national

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 2>emergency and federalized if necessary.

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 3>Three exclamation points.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>And so I guess one of the big questions that

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I've been wrestling with is what does all of this

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>mean for the future of DC. There was a time

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>where it felt like lawmakers had DC's back, but it's

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.160
<v Speaker 2>really become clear that the days of DC being able

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 2>to count on the Senate and Congress are over. I

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>did an interview with a long time journalist here in DC,

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Marxy Graves, and he reminded me that DC has really

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 2>been the most reliable jurisdiction in the country there is

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.760
<v Speaker 2>for Democrats. There's no other place that has given more

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>electoral votes for president to Democrats every single election.

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>It's extremely consistent extreme.

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, have you seen that map where it's the

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>election for Reagan and it's a whole big splotch of

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 2>red and only I think Minnesota and DC are the

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>only blotch of blue. Like nobody backs Democrats like d

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>C backs Democrat every single time. California can't say that,

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts can't say that. And in return, the party has

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 2>essentially abandoned us. They circulated messaging nationally telling Democrats to

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>tread carefully about how to talk about what is clearly

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 2>an attempt at a fascist takeover of our city. DC

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>has given Democrats this unwavering support since we had the

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 2>ability to vote in presidential elections, which it hasn't been

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that long since, only since the sixties, but still right like,

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>and this is how they do us. And we have

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>known for years that Republicans like Mike Lee and others

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 2>have had their eye on DC. They want to overturn

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 2>DC rules, overturn DC laws, even things that have nothing

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>to do with crime and public safety, things like abortion.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 3>It is so clearly about control.

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>They have been eyeing control of DC for many, many,

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 2>many many years. And now we have this big, wide, open,

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>breezy window allowing them to do that.

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Is DC spiritually Midwestern? Because like it's same question.

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Tell me more about what you mean by.

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>This, because like, in some ways, you know, it is

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like a coastal, elite place and it's like the you know,

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the heart of political power. But DC to me always

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>has kind of had Midwest vibes. I don't I don't

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>know how to express it any other way. Maybe it's

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 1>because so many people from the Midwest move to d

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>C to do politics work. But I'm sure people from

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>all over move to DC to do politics work. But

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>like DC and like Minneapolis feel like very similar cities

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to me in some ways.

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 3>I have said this before.

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>See that's what I'm saying.

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have said this before, Like I think there

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 2>is something to this where And in that interview I

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 2>did with Mark C.

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Graves, he kind of he kind of gets at it

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:40.959
<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that d C is the kind

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>of place where you can just sort of take for

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>granted that I will always live in this sort of

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:50.719
<v Speaker 2>progressive city.

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 3>I will always sort of live in this city.

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I think it's easy to take things like home

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 2>rule in DC for granted, and I think d s

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>the nature of d C is a little bit weird

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 2>that as kind of alluded to. It's a very transient city,

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and so there are people living in DC who have

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>only known one Mayor Bowser because she's been mayor for

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 2>like ten years.

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Right. They don't know Mayor Gray, they don't know Mayor Fenti.

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>They don't know how kind of tenuous a lot of

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>what holds DC together actually is. And it can be

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.080
<v Speaker 2>really easy when you're living in a city the historically

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>has enjoyed low unemployment, has been pretty moneyed, is pretty progressive.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>The kinds of fights that we were having in DC

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>before all this started, they seem so quaint now, bike

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>lanes tipped minimum wage, like all of these. You know,

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>it is sort of like Minneapolis in a kind of way.

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 2>You're not You're not wrong.

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad. I'm glad my vibes meter is still

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 1>accurately attute.

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I did want to spend a little bit

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 2>of time talking about the protests and pushback that we've seen,

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>because DC has not taken this quietly. There was a

0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 2>massive protest in March that I will say, I'm a

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>little sad that it didn't get more national coverage. Weirdly,

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>it got a lot of international coverage, but not a

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>ton of national coverage, which is sort of part and

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 2>parcel for DC. So many national outlets only think about

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>DC when it comes to federal implications, and when it

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>comes to what's happening locally in our streets and at

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm X Park and all of that, they're like, DC,

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>who we don't know her?

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 3>So like that protest was quite moving.

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 2>We also have local groups like Harriet's Wildest Dreams and

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Free DC who are great resources.

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Free DC a lot of their work has.

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Been at the community level, leading things like cop watching trainings,

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 2>like training residents to film enforcement stops, which when you

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 2>consider what Tayu Armis told me from the Washington Post

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 2>about how these immigration detentions and arrests are often just

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a black box. Like we've seen video where a resident

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 2>is being detained by immigration officials and they're speaking to

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>the person recording like please record this, please record this,

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, and so I do think like things like

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>that are super important when you're dealing with this black

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>box dynamic of immigration detensions and arrests.

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 3>We also have things like educating residents on their legal rights.

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 3>And this is like a weird saying in DC.

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 2>DC has a ton of parks, actually more parks than

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 2>any other part of the country. Were consistently voted the

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>number one city in the country for parks, and so

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>because DC is just a wonky place, sometimes you don't

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>know if you're on federal versus city property. So you

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.959
<v Speaker 2>can find yourself in a park that's just a tiny

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 2>little triangle of grass. Oh no, you're actually on federal property.

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 2>So if you get arrested there, you're actually in a

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>federal jurisdiction, even though you're miles from the White House

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and you thought like, oh, I'm just hanging out in

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 2>a public park.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 3>So we have seen.

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Local activist groups and organized in groups really try to

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 2>educate folks on their rights and some of those distinctions

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>of like, hey, if you commit a crime here, you're

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>technically on federal property and you should understand that. And

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to you mention this because I do think

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>it's easier to think of resistance as this big, loud,

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 2>visible thing happening in the streets, and as moving and

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 2>powerful as that big protest was so far, I think

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the powerful resistance has been community oriented.

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not as exciting as you know, being out on

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the streets necessarily, but it is no less important.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the non flashy stuff often goes under recognized.

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I will also say that folks might know

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>DC has its own style of music called go go,

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 2>which is sort of a city local artistic expression of

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 2>music here. And I've even seen groups like Harriots, Wildest

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<v Speaker 2>Dreams trying to organize joyful go go jams in public

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<v Speaker 2>spaces just to remind folks that joy is also part

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<v Speaker 2>of resistance, Just so that the only thing that we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about is not defending our cities and being on

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<v Speaker 2>the defense, but also reconnecting to the things that make

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<v Speaker 2>our cities joyful and exciting and and and lovely places

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<v Speaker 2>to be. And I think it has been important to me,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're sick to death of reporting about all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>also getting to remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Joy is part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like why we're doing this, so that we can

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<v Speaker 2>experience joy in our cities.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree, we will allow a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>joy I suppose in this day. Yeah, semi un joyful time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a tiny bit, I will speaking of joy I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to end on one last teeny tiny little tidbit

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<v Speaker 2>about resistance, which is that when I when we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking last time, Gare, I told you I think this

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<v Speaker 2>was like the day that the takeover was announced, there

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<v Speaker 2>was that guy who threw a sandwich at the parag Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>well they popped this dude on felony charges, but DC's

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury failed to indict, and now he's down to

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<v Speaker 2>a misdemeanor, so he pled not guilty I think just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days ago, to just a misdemeanor. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean grand jury's they used to say, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you could get.

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<v Speaker 3>A grand jury, then buy a ham sandwich.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess not if it's thrown at a federal office,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can't not in DC.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like the only good piece of grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>news I have kind of ever heard in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever I hear news about a grand jury, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>like terrible, Like, oh no, that sounds awful. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is uh the first, the first based grand jury I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I mean if you're listening in if you're

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<v Speaker 2>listening in DC and you're on a grand jury, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, does Souths put it that way. But yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>all I have really.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just say, you know, if you happen to

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<v Speaker 2>be listening in a place that is not the district,

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<v Speaker 2>we really need your voice. You know, when stuff happens,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not really anybody I can call. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>congressional representative, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Ugh. She has been a

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<v Speaker 2>lifelong fighter for d C and d c's self determination

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<v Speaker 2>and civil rights. She is also i think the second

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<v Speaker 2>oldest person in Congress. And I'll just say it's showing

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, we don't really have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who are fighting for us and being a

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<v Speaker 2>voice for us. And so yeah, stay checked in to

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<v Speaker 2>d C. Even if Trump moves to you know, deploy

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<v Speaker 2>national guards in other places, other kinds of takeovers. What's

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<v Speaker 2>happening in DC is unique. It cannot happen in any

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 2>other place in the country. And we're so often overlooked

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<v Speaker 2>and ignored. And so if there are bills moving through Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>call your Congress people and please advocate for the self

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<v Speaker 2>determination of DC residents, because we have no one to

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<v Speaker 2>advocate for on our behalf.

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<v Speaker 3>So please be our voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for talking about DC once again, Bridget Where

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<v Speaker 1>can people find you online and your other shows?

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<v Speaker 2>You can check me out on my podcast. There are

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<v Speaker 2>no girls on the Internet. On iHeartRadio, a co host

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast called Citycast DC about local happenings and politics

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<v Speaker 2>and news and DC. You can check that out. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram at Bridget Marine DC. I'm on TikTok at

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<v Speaker 2>Bridget Marine DC, and I'm on YouTube. There are no

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<v Speaker 2>girls on the Internet. Yeah, that's right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, I'm glad we figured that out, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Noll I guess YouTube is is like, guess that's cool.

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