1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Al Zone Media Gaire. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: The last time that you and I spoke was about 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: twelve hours after Trump announced the takeover of DC's police force. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: It had really just happened, so I didn't really have 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: a ton of clarity about how things were going to 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: be taking shape and what resistance or pushback would look like. 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: Now today that we're speaking Friday, September twelfth, it's been 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: a little over about thirty days since all of this 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: went down, and I feel like we're due for an 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: update from my hometown, the District of Columbia. 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: What do you say? 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're at the deadline. So now Trump can no 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: longer do anything. The city's back. God, I wish you're 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: free once again. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Oh my God, from your lips to God's ears. So 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: I did want to set the stage a little bit 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: up top. You know, I'm a journalist, but I am 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: also an advocate for DC statehood first and foremost. I 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: feel like I need to make sure some thing is 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: super clear, which is that how entwined all of this 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: is to DC's lack of statehood. After the last time 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: that you and I spoke, there a listener said, oh, 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: why is she making this whole thing about statehood. How 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: would DC being a state change anything? How would two 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: more Democratic senators change anything? Why are you making it 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: about that? And I thought, oop, I did not do 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: a good enough job of making clear why the takeover 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: in DC could happen at all, and the ways that 29 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: DC's lack of statehood is at the heart of that issue. 30 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: This is just sort of the soup that I swim 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: in all day, every day, So I forget that's not 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: true for everybody. For some of you, this might be 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: a refresher, and you might know this already, But the 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: reason why Trump started all of this in DC is 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: because DC is not a state. You know, As president, 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: Trump has a lot more authority over DC than he 37 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: has over any other place in the country. So while 38 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: Trump talking about sending the National Guard into other cities is. 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: Awful, he wants to do it to Chicago's so bad, 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: so bad, but he doesn't have the ability to. And 41 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: he's really upset about that, so much so that he's 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: probably going to cancel a degree of the plans for 43 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: National Guard deployment to Chicago. Inst going to cooperate with 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: Louisiana because the governor is okay with working with Trump 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: on that in Louisiana. 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly exactly did you see this is like a 47 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: non secorder. But the tweet that he put out, like 48 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 2: the AI generated tweet that's they're gonna find out why 49 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: we call it's the Department of War. Then it was like, oh, 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: we were just deaf kidding and just yes, delete that tweet. 51 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: Now that was just a joke, which is into like downplay, 52 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: like the amount of federal resources currently in Chicago. ICE 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: in DHS have been very busy in Chicago, and I 54 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: believe Friday morning, the day that we recorded this, ICE 55 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: killed somebody in Chicago during an enforcement action. So this 56 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: isn't to say, you know, Chicago's freed from Trump's federal forces. 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: ICE is still operating in Chicago as they have been, 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: but at least the National Guard deployment like mass military 59 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: style occupation is unlikely in the near future. 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: Yes, that is great context, and I think it also 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: illustrates why what's happening in DC is so unique and 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: could not happen anywhere else in the country. So while 63 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: Trump is talking about wanting to send the National Guard 64 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: to other cities, he does not have the broad authority 65 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: to take over local police forces. In those cities the 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: way that he did in DC. And even if he did, 67 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: let's say, exercise what authority he could have over local 68 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: police and other cities, say like in an emergency situation, 69 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: it still wouldn't be the attempt to take. 70 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: Over the police force like we saw in DC. 71 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: Like when this first happened, Tam Bondy was literally trying 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: to replace DC's chief of police briefly successfully until DC's 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: Attorney General, Brian Schwab sued. Right, and so yeah, Trump 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: does not have the authority to oust local leaders and 75 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: other cities and states. Even if Trump sent the National 76 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: Guard to Memphis, Memphis still has a mayor, Tennessee has 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: a governor, there's senators, congressional representation. Because DC is not 78 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: a state, Trump working with Congress could take over our city, elset, 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: our mayor, and our city council. He has been talking 80 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: about doing that as recently as this morning. I want 81 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: to play a quick clip. He does lie in this 82 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: clip because technically he doesn't have the authority. It has 83 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: to go through Congress. But you know, I don't see 84 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: our Congress really standing up to whatever Trump wants anytime soon. 85 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: And so if Congress were to provoke DC's home rule. 86 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: Then Trump would be able to appoint whoever he wanted 87 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: to run d C. So I want to play a 88 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: clip of him talking about this weirdly in Oppressor about 89 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 2: that Charlie Kirk murder. 90 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say. 91 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 4: Well, the mayor's asked us to say, you know, we 92 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 4: have a Democrat mayor. He was asked us today. And 93 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: DC's a little bit different because I could federalize it 94 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: if I want. You know, DC's a little bit of different. 95 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: So we have a lot of a lot. We have 96 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: actually more power in DC because it's you know, I 97 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 4: can change the mayor if I want, I can do 98 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: whatever I want. I haven't had to. We've had a 99 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: great relationship with the mayor. We've had a great relationship. 100 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: Everybody's happy, and the mayor was not in favor of it, 101 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: but first we forced and then she saw the results 102 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: and everyone's. 103 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: Going up them. 104 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 4: Thank you her. We have no crime anymore. 105 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: Ugh, Okay, I gotta stop it because I can't even 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: I can't even listen to him bloviate on that. 107 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: But again he's kind of lying here. 108 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: But there is a reality where Trump single handedly is 109 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: in control of DC. So it would have to take 110 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: Congress overturning DC's home Rule, but I don't think that 111 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: would be terribly difficult for him to achieve. And if 112 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: that does happen, he is right that he could appoint 113 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: whoever he wanted to be in control of DC. And 114 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: so the GOP has already introduced legislation that would revoke 115 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: DC's home rule entirely, something that Trump says that he 116 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: wants to do. To be super clear, this would mean 117 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: that all of the little things that you rely on 118 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: and probably take for granted about your day to day 119 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: local life, your social services, your trash pick up, how 120 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: your streets are run, your public transport, Trump would be 121 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: in charge of literally all of that. For me, it's 122 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: important to me that people understand how bad of a 123 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: situation that would be. 124 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be unprecedented. 125 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: So just to put a pin in that, even though 126 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: Trump is talking about setting the National Guard to other cities, 127 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 2: DC's lack of statehood really makes what's happening here unlike 128 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: any other place in the country. DC is uniquely vulnerable. 129 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: In addition to all of the racial equity and democracy 130 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: implications for statehood, the reality is everyday lives of more 131 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: than a half a million people who live here like 132 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: me are made more vulnerable by DC's lack of statehood. 133 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: So when I am like on my statehood soapbox, that 134 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: is why, because the lack of statehood in DC just 135 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: makes us very vulnerable to having somebody like Trump really 136 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: exercise an unprecedented amount of control that we will not 137 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: see anywhere else in the United States. So just wanted 138 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: to make that clear. Okay, So now I have some 139 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: updates about the situation. As you said, Garrison, the crime 140 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: Emergency in DC, which sort of kicked all of this off, has. 141 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: Come to an end. Free that's over. Mission accomplished. 142 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: We did it, mission accomplished, So it. 143 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: Lasted thirty days and it's come to an end. However, 144 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: there is no guarantee that Trump couldn't just declare another one. 145 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: The optics of that would be a little weird because 146 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: he's been talking, as we just heard in that clip, 147 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: he's been talking about how crime is down to zero 148 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: in DC except for domestic violence, which everybody knows isn't 149 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,559 Speaker 2: really a crime, right, Like, he made it very clear 150 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: that he feels like crime has gone to zero, So 151 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: will be pretty weird to then institute another crime emergency 152 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: in DC. 153 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: He kind of got what he wanted to with the 154 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: mayor agreeing to cooperate with him someone hmmm exactly. 155 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: So, to be super clear, even with the crime emergency 156 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: in DC ending that in no way means an end 157 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: to things like the National Guard in our streets or 158 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: checkpoints which have just been horrifying, and the surge that 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: we're seeing in federal law enforcement, because those are two 160 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: distant things. And in the last few weeks of this, 161 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: what's really become just abundantly clear is that this whole 162 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: thing was about immigration. Even after all the talk of 163 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: crime and DC, it became very clear that this is 164 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: less about crime and more about enforcing Trump's immigration agenda. 165 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: As you sort of alluded to early on, before she 166 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: really changed her tune about Tukes into the takeover, our mayor, 167 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: Muriel Bowser held a press conference where she said, well, 168 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: if Trump's goal was to deport migrants and bring an ice, 169 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: you know, he didn't have to take over MPD to 170 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: do that. He should have just outright said that's what 171 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: he wanted to do, instead of making it this whole 172 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: thing about crime. Don't ask her to repeat that sentiment. Now, 173 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: because I don't think that she would. She's really really 174 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: changed her tune, which we'll talk about. 175 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: In a moment. 176 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: And so one of the things that makes it complicated 177 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: is that when you're talking about immigration detention versus other 178 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: kinds of arrests, it just becomes a lot harder to 179 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: have transparency into what's going on. But the Associated Press 180 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: reported that dated from the federal operation analyzed by the 181 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: AP shows that more than forty percent of the arrests 182 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: made over the month long operation were related to immigration. 183 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: They spoke to Austin Rose, a managing attorney for the 184 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: AMICA Center for Immigrant Rights, who said the federal takeover 185 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: has been a cover to do federal immigration enforcement. It 186 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: became pretty clear early on that this was a major 187 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: campaign of immigration enforcement, and that's just it's really hard 188 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: to deny that this was just another increasing plank of 189 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: the president's agenda on immigration. 190 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you can certainly look at the 191 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: anti crime narratives getting a lot of traction on the 192 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: right with that pretty gruesome murder in North Carolina last 193 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: week as well, and like, absolutely the crime angle is 194 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: part of the rhetorical strategy Trump is using. And yeah, 195 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: a right wing populist president doing a crime crackdown. Oh, 196 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: this is unheard of, this is unprecedented. No, like, of 197 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: course they're going to use that angle. But yeah, the 198 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: underdiscussed element of this is how much this has just 199 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: been a cover to do a rapid increase in the 200 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: number of immigration actions around DC. Well, like you said, 201 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: that was like forty percent, So still another sixty percent 202 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: of arrests is just affecting the other DC residents, and 203 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: a lot of that is tying to this national crime 204 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: wave narratives that these people are also pushing. I think 205 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: these things work together. They're not necessarily like oppositional analyzes 206 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: of what's going on. But the immigration angle has been 207 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: very under discussed in the DC occupation. 208 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 2: I agree, it's hard to discuss because I think we 209 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: have to really have some honest conversations. It is true 210 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: that DC experienced a surge in violent crime in twenty 211 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: twenty three. That surge thankfully went down, But I think 212 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: that crime is just one of those issues where people 213 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: who other rise are invested in telling nuanced, thoughtful stories 214 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: about complex issues. I see a lot of that nuance 215 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: and thoughtfulness go right out the window when we're talking 216 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: about crime. And I think that we really let the 217 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: right dominate the conversation about crime in our cities and 218 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: in some ways hijack that conversation. And I do think 219 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: that dynamic is part and parcel to how we got here. Now, 220 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: I have a b in my bonnet about some of 221 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: the sloppy journalism, like local journalism, people who really should 222 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: know better about crime. You know, we had a wave 223 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: of businesses shut and they would say, oh, we're shutting 224 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: because of crime, and it's like, yeah, look, you actually 225 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: look and you're thinking, oh, well, this is a cashless business. 226 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: What kind of crime were you experiencing? 227 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way. Using crime as this excuse in 228 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: post COVID economic decline has been extremely convenient for a 229 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of corporations. And yeah, I guess like the degree 230 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: to which we've seeded territory on that same way, you know, 231 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: we see a territory on like the border and immigration, 232 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: but specifically sitting territory on discussion of crime allowed operating 233 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: space for Trump to deploy this narrative, which then was 234 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: used to hurt a lot of immigrants exactly. 235 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: And in DC we saw much tighter coordination with immigration 236 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: officials with our local police force, especially at checkpoints where 237 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: police would work with ice even if someone was not 238 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: otherwise detained or in custody. I did an interview with 239 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 2: the Washington Posts Tayu Armis, who covers immigrant communities here 240 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: in DC, and he told me that this whole thing 241 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: was essentially an attack on the policies that make a 242 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: city like DC what is commonly thought of as a 243 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 2: sanctuary city. I don't love the phrase sanctuary city, but 244 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you know laws that do 245 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: not require police departments to coordinate with immigration officials. 246 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: Really that it was an attack. 247 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: On those, Yeah, totally, Yeah, I mean, and I think 248 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: that it's important that we call that out for what 249 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: it is. And this is difficult for me personally, but 250 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: not get lost in debating what Trump is laying out 251 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: about crime, because when you understand that it's not really 252 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: about crime, then you don't have to do that debating, right, 253 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 2: And it's like, well, it's not really about crime, so 254 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: let's not waste time debating what we both can plainly 255 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,479 Speaker 2: see this is not really about. 256 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because DC is just faking all crimes. Yes, anyway, right, bridget. 257 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, don't even get me started gare. 258 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: And so something that Tayu told me in our interview 259 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: that I found very troubling is that, again, when someone 260 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: is detained because of a suspected immigration related issue, we 261 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: just have a lot less information and transparency than if 262 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: they were being arrested for another kind of crime. He 263 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: described it as a black box that is difficult to penetrate, 264 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 2: which is obviously heightened when you have masked agents pulling 265 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: people out of cars at checkpoints and doing things like 266 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: literally hitting delivery drivers with vehicles right like, it becomes 267 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: very difficult to really even understand what's going on, and 268 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: that's by design. 269 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: It's hard to find them in the system because these 270 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: people often aren't even charged with their crime, remaining in 271 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: the country past. The explosion of a visa isn't a 272 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: crime exactly, So so these people are brained as quoe 273 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: uquote criminal migrants that often is factually incorrect, if factually 274 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: incorrect even matters anymore, which it increasingly does not, it seems. 275 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, as you said, we know that 276 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: immigrant communities are not committing more crime than the rest 277 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 2: of the population, and. 278 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: So estimates would show less actually exactly because they don't 279 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: want to get deported. 280 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: And you know, again, I feel myself getting pulled back 281 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: into Trump's he he gets me go like circling the 282 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: drain with this where it's like, well, if you really 283 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: cared about crime, you would want immigrant communities to feel 284 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: comfortable talking to believes with the understanding that they weren't 285 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: going to be deported if they reported a crime, or 286 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: if they witnessed a crime, or if they saw crime. 287 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: But again, it's not really about crime, so I don't 288 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: have to I don't have to get myself pulled into. 289 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: That, no, because it's entirely racialized. That's like the big 290 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: common denominator here, even with the anti crime narrative and 291 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: the immigration stuff, is that it's all racialized violence. 292 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean, I'm glad that you brought that up. 293 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: Just as a personal note. I live in Columbia Heights, 294 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: which is a heavily black and brown neighborhood, a very 295 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: thriving Latino population, and it really just has been awful. 296 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: Right. 297 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: I live on a very busy street that runs right 298 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: through the city and like checkpoints on either side of 299 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: my street. 300 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: And I was listening to. 301 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: I think it was a Kara Swisher podcast and She 302 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: also lives in DC, and she was saying, oh, well, 303 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: I haven't really noticed any big changes, and I'm thinking. 304 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: Kara, Yeah, yeah, I bet, I bet you aren't noticing 305 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: many changes. 306 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you haven't noticed any changes. And yeah, 307 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean I've lived in DC most of my whole life. 308 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: I've never seen checkpoints where people are physically dragged out 309 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: of cars and in this way. So I mean, if 310 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: you don't live in a neighborhood like this, you might 311 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: be able to get away with saying, oh, I haven't 312 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: seen any big changes, or nothing's really changed, or maybe 313 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: I just see the National Guard when I leave my house. 314 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: But in neighborhoods like mine, the change. 315 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: Is very real. 316 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: I'll put it that way. So you brought up the mayor, 317 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: which I did want to briefly touch on. I have 318 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: been called out on this very podcast for being too 319 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: sympathetic to our mayor, which is actually funny to me 320 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: because on my other podcast all we do is call 321 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: her out. But the point that I have tried to make, 322 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: and I think this is the nature of that of 323 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: that critique, is that I do think it is important 324 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: that people understand that our lack of statehood in DC 325 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: does put our mayor in a position where her authority 326 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: is just realistically a lot more limited than other elected officials. 327 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: But even in that situation with realistically limited authority, her 328 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: play here has been cozying up to Trump. And that 329 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: is one hundred percent a choice. That is not something 330 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: that other elected officials in DC have done. 331 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: That is one hundred percent a choice. 332 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: And it's a choice in an attempt in some ways 333 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: to diffuse the situation to not have Trump escalate, to 334 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: not go into a even more like legally uncharted territory, right, 335 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: to not accelerate the conflict. And I think a lot 336 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: of people who are critiquing this move actually would be 337 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: very interested in this point, in accelerating this conflict, seeing 338 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: what Trump will actually do stress tests even more of 339 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: our democracy, and a lot of people are interested in 340 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: watching the results of that happen. And I can see 341 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: how someone like Bowser doesn't want to do that, But 342 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: that opens her up for a lot of critique. And 343 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm interested in what you said about like other city officials, 344 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: that's not something I've heard as much about, is her 345 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: kind of cooperating with Trump compared to the stance of 346 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: other city officials. 347 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 348 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 2: I mean, look at DC's Attorney General Brian Schwab, who 349 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: has been out here suing the Trump administration somewhat successfully 350 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: and has been a much more obvious fighter for DC. Right, 351 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: so like, he is certainly not playing nice. He's like, oh, 352 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: we're gonna fight this in the courts. If you want 353 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: to try to take over our city, we will see. 354 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: You in court. 355 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 2: I'm so curious what the conversations are like between Bowser 356 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: and Schwab, but it just reveals to me that capitulating 357 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 2: and cozying up. I'm not gonna say it's not a strategy, 358 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 2: but it's certainly a choice. And to your earlier there 359 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: are definitely people who say, hey, she's playing nice with Trump. 360 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: D C still has home rule, DC still has a mayor, 361 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: and the crime emergency has ended. Those are all good things, 362 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: and being a resident of DC, I will happily say 363 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to see how far Trump will go 364 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 2: on this. I want this to end. I want you know, 365 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm not someone who was like, yeah, like, let the 366 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: chips fall where they may. I want my trash picked up. 367 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: I want my you know, my neighbors kids to be 368 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: able to go to school all of that. I'm not. 369 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm not that's understandable. 370 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's the complex thing. 371 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: I do think that, you know, early on in this, 372 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: Bowser was talking about how crime in DC was down, 373 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: and then Trump said on social media, oh, Bowser better 374 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 2: get her story straight on the crime numbers or things 375 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: are gonna get worse, And days later she was taking 376 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: in a very different tune. She did a press conference 377 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: where she thanked the federal government. She did stop short 378 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: of thanking Trump specifically, but thanking the federal government for 379 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: helping DC with the crime issue. And I guess, as 380 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: somebody who's been following Bowser for as long as I have, 381 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: it wasn't terribly surprising in an episode I did of it. 382 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 3: Could happen here. I think back in January. 383 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: We talked about how her stance with Trump this time 384 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: around was like concession after concession after concession, So it 385 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: wasn't surprising. 386 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: This falls in line with that, I guess. 387 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: Correct, And I do think that people need to understand 388 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: that in a lot of ways Bowser and I don't 389 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: mean this in the way that it's going to sound, 390 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: but like, I do think that there is alignment between 391 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 2: Bowser and Trump on a lot of issues, crime potentially 392 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: being one of them. Right, when we were talking about 393 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: how Trump wanted Bowser to dismantle encampments in DC, it 394 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: wasn't like Bowser as some friend to the homeless. 395 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: No no, no, no. 396 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the specific encampment in question, she already had 397 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: plans to demolish, just later on on a slower timeline. 398 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: There is a class alignment among people in the political 399 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: quote unquote elite. Right. You can look at Gavin Newsom's 400 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: extreme anti homeless policies and compare that to Trump's extreme 401 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: anti homeless policies, and yeah, they have class alignment on 402 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: that issue, even if Gavin might be against Trump on 403 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: some other issues, though he has his own fair share 404 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: of concessions to Trump. 405 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: Oh you said it, friend. 406 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: Also, I like that I'm on a first name basis 407 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: with Gavin. 408 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 3: I know, gab. 409 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: Podcaster solidarity and as we've seen the past week, podcaster 410 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: solidarity most important thing. Ooh yes, oh yes. 411 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: Also also fellow, iHeart podcaster. 412 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: I believe for Gavin. Yeah, and yeah, hope he joins 413 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: the union. 414 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 415 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: Same, And I guess I should say to your point 416 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: about the complexities about you know, the way that Bowser, 417 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: our mayor is playing this. It's true that it's good 418 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: that the crime emergency has ended, that DC still has 419 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: home rule. We still have a mayor, we saw the 420 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 2: city council as of today. And even if you will say, well, 421 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: that's you know, the mayor CosIng up with Trump, like 422 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: you have that to thank that's why that's happening. Our 423 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 2: mayor is really making no friends with other black mayors 424 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: in cities like Chicago and Baltimore. 425 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: I have to assume. 426 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, when she does press conferences where she talks about 427 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: how having federal troops in DC has been good for 428 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: the city, how crime it's gone down, when you have 429 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: these other cities that are currently trying to fend off 430 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: federal takeovers from Trump. So even if her CosIng up 431 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: with Trump has led to d C specifically being able 432 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 2: to enjoy home rule for another day, at what cost 433 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: if it enables Trump's actions in other cities. 434 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: You know, me putting on my skull mask as I 435 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: bring out my chessboarding the accelerationist collapse of DC and 436 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: how that affects a larger political situation in the United States. Yes, 437 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: how much of DC am I willing to sacrifice to 438 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: see how far Trump will go. 439 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough. 440 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 2: It's complicated because obviously, as a DC resident, I want 441 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: to have a safe and peaceful existence for myself here 442 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: in DC. But it's not happening in a vacuum, and 443 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: so I also have to think about, you know, the 444 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: national implications for other cities. And you know, I don't 445 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 2: envy our mayor. I guess I don't envy many mayors. Oh. 446 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: I am firmly believe if you want to become the 447 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: mayor of a city like DC, Baltimore, Chicago, something has 448 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: to be wrong with you. 449 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: And Bridget Todd has come out against Zorn Mamdani officially 450 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: it could happen here podcast No. 451 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: No, no, I'm just saying I mean, yeah, I'll say it. 452 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: Who wants a job like that? 453 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 4: Though? 454 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: It sounds like aod nightmare. 455 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 456 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: I had a friend who was like vying to be 457 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: the head of comms for the Baltimore Police Department, and 458 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, you are a massacre. 459 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: That's even a weirder, that's even weirder. 460 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like the I can't imagine to never know 461 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: peace and not get into heaven. He's probably listening and thinking, oh, 462 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: why should talking shit about me? And so it is complicated, 463 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: and I do think it's important as an As much 464 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: as I want DC to be a safe place where 465 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: I can walk outside and not see people getting dragged 466 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 2: out of cars and federal checkpoints and all of that, 467 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: we do need to think about the larger picture here. 468 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: And people that I've talked to with regards to the mayor, 469 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: they tell me that, oh, it seems like she is 470 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: just not interested in the like the polling of these decisions, 471 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: because the conversations that I am having people are not 472 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 2: happy with her. In the spaces I am in. The 473 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: conversation is like, how do we recall this mayor? Like, 474 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: even though we might have these sort of things that 475 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: you consider victories, DC enjoying home rules, still having a mayor, 476 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: a city council, all of that, people are really really 477 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: really not happy with our mayor. Yeah, so looking ahead 478 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: at what's coming up next. Even though the crime emergency 479 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: is ending, this whole thing is. 480 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: Very far from over. 481 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: The fight for the self determination of DC as far 482 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 2: from over in ways that have in a lot of 483 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: ways nothing. 484 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: To do with Trump. 485 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 2: There are thirteen bills in the House aimed at directly 486 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: taking action at DC. Many of them are direct assaults 487 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: on DC's home rules. There are provisions that would make 488 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: it easier for Congress to overturn DC home rule. There 489 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: are provisions that lower the age of when you can 490 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: be tried as an adult for crimes from sixteen to fourteen. 491 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: There is a provision that would give Congress longer time 492 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: to review DC's laws. Right now, it's thirty days. They 493 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: would change it to sixty days. All of DC's laws 494 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 2: have to go through Congress. It is a nightmare, Like 495 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: it is a whole thing. The biggest of these bills 496 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: in the House right now is of course, wanting to 497 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: overturn DC's ability for district residents to elect our own 498 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: attorney general instead of having an attorney general appointed by Trump. 499 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: If that bill were to become law, it would mean 500 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: that our current attorney general, the person who I would argue, 501 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: has sort of emerged as the If there was a 502 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: single person that you could look at and be like, oh, 503 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: this person is trying to fight for DC's home rule 504 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: and authority, Brian Schwab, he would be fired immediately and 505 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: Trump would be able to replace him with whoever he chose. 506 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: Not somebody that district residents elected or voted for or 507 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: campaigned for, just whoever Trump wanted, and that term would 508 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: run concurrent with the. 509 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 3: President of the United States. 510 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, some of these pieces are not 511 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: overturning home rule entirely, but they are clearly attacks on 512 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: DC's ability to govern itself and the self determination of 513 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: folks here in the district. 514 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: Are you going to discuss what's going to happen with 515 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: the Safe and Beautiful Task Force? Oh no, but I 516 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: can has mean passed the expiration of the order, Bowser's 517 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: establishment of the task force to continue federal cooperation. Yes, 518 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: I guess it's like one of the most immediate, like 519 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: continuing aspects of this story. And it's like unclear how 520 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: much this heightened federal presence will last past the expiration 521 00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: of the order. 522 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: So in a. 523 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: Press conference, I have to say, Bowser was pretty tight 524 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: lipped when asked directly about all of that, and so 525 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: a lot of it sounds like wade and see, like 526 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: she really did not give clear answers. And so I 527 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 2: walked away from that presser being just as confused as 528 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 2: you probably are, just disconfused as listeners are. I do 529 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: think in part that speaks to the unprecedented nature of 530 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: the way that Trump is dealing with DC right now, 531 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: of like they might genuinely not know, but the fact 532 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: of the way that she has been so tight lipped. 533 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: I hate giving this answer, but I think it's a 534 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: wade and see kind of situation. Yeah, fair, Hi, this 535 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: is Future Bridget coming in on Monday night to say 536 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: that we actually got more clarity on the question of 537 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: whether or not police in DC would continue working with 538 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: federal immigration officials after DC's crime emergency ended. DC's Mayor 539 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: Muriel Bowser was still being pretty tight lipped about this 540 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: when Gary and I were speaking about it on Friday, 541 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: but on Monday, September fifteenth, it was reported that Bowser 542 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 2: had announced that d C's Police Department MPD would no 543 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: longer be assisting immigration officials with immigration enforcement the way 544 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: they had been during the crime emergency. Bowser said immigration 545 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: enforcement is not what MPD does, and with the end 546 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: of the emergency, it won't be what MPD does. Trump 547 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: did not like this, and on Monday, Trump renewed threats 548 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: to federalize DC's police again if the department does not 549 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 2: cooperate with ice saying, quote, under pressure from the radical 550 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: left Democrats, Mayor Muriel Bowser, who has presided over this violent, 551 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: criminal takeover of our capital for years, has informed the 552 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: federal government that the Metropolitan Police Department will no longer 553 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: cooperate with ICE in removing and relocating dangerous illegal aliens. 554 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 2: If I allowed this to happen, all caps crime would 555 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: come roaring back to the people and businesses of Washington, 556 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: d C. All caps, don't worry. I am with you 557 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: and won't allow this to happen. I'll call a national 558 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: emergency and federalized if necessary. 559 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: Three exclamation points. 560 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: And so I guess one of the big questions that 561 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: I've been wrestling with is what does all of this 562 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: mean for the future of DC. There was a time 563 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 2: where it felt like lawmakers had DC's back, but it's 564 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: really become clear that the days of DC being able 565 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 2: to count on the Senate and Congress are over. I 566 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: did an interview with a long time journalist here in DC, 567 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: Marxy Graves, and he reminded me that DC has really 568 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: been the most reliable jurisdiction in the country there is 569 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: for Democrats. There's no other place that has given more 570 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: electoral votes for president to Democrats every single election. 571 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: It's extremely consistent extreme. 572 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen that map where it's the 573 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: election for Reagan and it's a whole big splotch of 574 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: red and only I think Minnesota and DC are the 575 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: only blotch of blue. Like nobody backs Democrats like d 576 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: C backs Democrat every single time. California can't say that, 577 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: Massachusetts can't say that. And in return, the party has 578 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: essentially abandoned us. They circulated messaging nationally telling Democrats to 579 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: tread carefully about how to talk about what is clearly 580 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: an attempt at a fascist takeover of our city. DC 581 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: has given Democrats this unwavering support since we had the 582 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: ability to vote in presidential elections, which it hasn't been 583 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: that long since, only since the sixties, but still right like, 584 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: and this is how they do us. And we have 585 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: known for years that Republicans like Mike Lee and others 586 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: have had their eye on DC. They want to overturn 587 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: DC rules, overturn DC laws, even things that have nothing 588 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: to do with crime and public safety, things like abortion. 589 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: It is so clearly about control. 590 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: They have been eyeing control of DC for many, many, 591 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: many many years. And now we have this big, wide, open, 592 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: breezy window allowing them to do that. 593 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: Is DC spiritually Midwestern? Because like it's same question. 594 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 3: Tell me more about what you mean by. 595 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: This, because like, in some ways, you know, it is 596 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: like a coastal, elite place and it's like the you know, 597 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: the heart of political power. But DC to me always 598 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: has kind of had Midwest vibes. I don't I don't 599 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: know how to express it any other way. Maybe it's 600 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: because so many people from the Midwest move to d 601 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: C to do politics work. But I'm sure people from 602 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: all over move to DC to do politics work. But 603 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: like DC and like Minneapolis feel like very similar cities 604 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: to me in some ways. 605 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: I have said this before. 606 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying. 607 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have said this before, Like I think there 608 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: is something to this where And in that interview I 609 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: did with Mark C. 610 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: Graves, he kind of he kind of gets at it 611 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 3: a little bit. 612 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: But I do think that d C is the kind 613 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: of place where you can just sort of take for 614 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: granted that I will always live in this sort of 615 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 2: progressive city. 616 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: I will always sort of live in this city. 617 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: Like I think it's easy to take things like home 618 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: rule in DC for granted, and I think d s 619 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: the nature of d C is a little bit weird 620 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: that as kind of alluded to. It's a very transient city, 621 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: and so there are people living in DC who have 622 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: only known one Mayor Bowser because she's been mayor for 623 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: like ten years. 624 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: Right. They don't know Mayor Gray, they don't know Mayor Fenti. 625 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: They don't know how kind of tenuous a lot of 626 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: what holds DC together actually is. And it can be 627 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: really easy when you're living in a city the historically 628 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: has enjoyed low unemployment, has been pretty moneyed, is pretty progressive. 629 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: The kinds of fights that we were having in DC 630 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: before all this started, they seem so quaint now, bike 631 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: lanes tipped minimum wage, like all of these. You know, 632 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: it is sort of like Minneapolis in a kind of way. 633 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: You're not You're not wrong. 634 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad. I'm glad my vibes meter is still 635 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: accurately attute. 636 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: Yes, And I did want to spend a little bit 637 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 2: of time talking about the protests and pushback that we've seen, 638 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: because DC has not taken this quietly. There was a 639 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 2: massive protest in March that I will say, I'm a 640 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 2: little sad that it didn't get more national coverage. Weirdly, 641 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: it got a lot of international coverage, but not a 642 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: ton of national coverage, which is sort of part and 643 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: parcel for DC. So many national outlets only think about 644 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: DC when it comes to federal implications, and when it 645 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: comes to what's happening locally in our streets and at 646 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: Malcolm X Park and all of that, they're like, DC, 647 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: who we don't know her? 648 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: So like that protest was quite moving. 649 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: We also have local groups like Harriet's Wildest Dreams and 650 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: Free DC who are great resources. 651 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: Free DC a lot of their work has. 652 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: Been at the community level, leading things like cop watching trainings, 653 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: like training residents to film enforcement stops, which when you 654 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: consider what Tayu Armis told me from the Washington Post 655 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: about how these immigration detentions and arrests are often just 656 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: a black box. Like we've seen video where a resident 657 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: is being detained by immigration officials and they're speaking to 658 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: the person recording like please record this, please record this, 659 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: you know, and so I do think like things like 660 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: that are super important when you're dealing with this black 661 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: box dynamic of immigration detensions and arrests. 662 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: We also have things like educating residents on their legal rights. 663 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 3: And this is like a weird saying in DC. 664 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: DC has a ton of parks, actually more parks than 665 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: any other part of the country. Were consistently voted the 666 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: number one city in the country for parks, and so 667 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: because DC is just a wonky place, sometimes you don't 668 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: know if you're on federal versus city property. So you 669 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 2: can find yourself in a park that's just a tiny 670 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: little triangle of grass. Oh no, you're actually on federal property. 671 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: So if you get arrested there, you're actually in a 672 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: federal jurisdiction, even though you're miles from the White House 673 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: and you thought like, oh, I'm just hanging out in 674 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: a public park. 675 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: So we have seen. 676 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: Local activist groups and organized in groups really try to 677 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: educate folks on their rights and some of those distinctions 678 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: of like, hey, if you commit a crime here, you're 679 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: technically on federal property and you should understand that. And 680 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to you mention this because I do think 681 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: it's easier to think of resistance as this big, loud, 682 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: visible thing happening in the streets, and as moving and 683 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: powerful as that big protest was so far, I think 684 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: a lot of the powerful resistance has been community oriented. 685 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: Right. 686 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 2: It's not as exciting as you know, being out on 687 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 2: the streets necessarily, but it is no less important. 688 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, the non flashy stuff often goes under recognized. 689 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will also say that folks might know 690 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: DC has its own style of music called go go, 691 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: which is sort of a city local artistic expression of 692 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: music here. And I've even seen groups like Harriots, Wildest 693 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: Dreams trying to organize joyful go go jams in public 694 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 2: spaces just to remind folks that joy is also part 695 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: of resistance, Just so that the only thing that we're 696 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: talking about is not defending our cities and being on 697 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 2: the defense, but also reconnecting to the things that make 698 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: our cities joyful and exciting and and and lovely places 699 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: to be. And I think it has been important to me, 700 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: when you're sick to death of reporting about all of this, 701 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 2: also getting to remember that. 702 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: Joy is part of it. 703 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 2: That's like why we're doing this, so that we can 704 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: experience joy in our cities. 705 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, we will allow a little bit of 706 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: joy I suppose in this day. Yeah, semi un joyful time. 707 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, a tiny bit, I will speaking of joy I 708 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: wanted to end on one last teeny tiny little tidbit 709 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: about resistance, which is that when I when we were 710 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 2: talking last time, Gare, I told you I think this 711 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: was like the day that the takeover was announced, there 712 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: was that guy who threw a sandwich at the parag Yes, yes, 713 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: well they popped this dude on felony charges, but DC's 714 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: grand jury failed to indict, and now he's down to 715 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 2: a misdemeanor, so he pled not guilty I think just 716 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, to just a misdemeanor. So yeah, 717 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 2: I mean grand jury's they used to say, like, oh, 718 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: you could get. 719 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 3: A grand jury, then buy a ham sandwich. 720 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 2: I guess not if it's thrown at a federal office, 721 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: or you can't not in DC. 722 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: It's just like the only good piece of grand jury 723 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: news I have kind of ever heard in my life. 724 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: Whenever I hear news about a grand jury, it's always 725 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: like terrible, Like, oh no, that sounds awful. Yeah, this 726 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: is uh the first, the first based grand jury I've 727 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: ever seen. 728 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean if you're listening in if you're 729 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: listening in DC and you're on a grand jury, you 730 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 2: know what to do. 731 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 3: Well, does Souths put it that way. But yeah, that's 732 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 3: all I have really. 733 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 2: I would just say, you know, if you happen to 734 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 2: be listening in a place that is not the district, 735 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 2: we really need your voice. You know, when stuff happens, 736 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 2: there's not really anybody I can call. We have a 737 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 2: congressional representative, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Ugh. She has been a 738 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 2: lifelong fighter for d C and d c's self determination 739 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 2: and civil rights. She is also i think the second 740 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 2: oldest person in Congress. And I'll just say it's showing 741 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,959 Speaker 2: I think, you know, we don't really have a lot 742 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 2: of people who are fighting for us and being a 743 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 2: voice for us. And so yeah, stay checked in to 744 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 2: d C. Even if Trump moves to you know, deploy 745 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: national guards in other places, other kinds of takeovers. What's 746 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 2: happening in DC is unique. It cannot happen in any 747 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 2: other place in the country. And we're so often overlooked 748 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: and ignored. And so if there are bills moving through Congress, 749 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 2: call your Congress people and please advocate for the self 750 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 2: determination of DC residents, because we have no one to 751 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: advocate for on our behalf. 752 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: So please be our voice. 753 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: Thank you for talking about DC once again, Bridget Where 754 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: can people find you online and your other shows? 755 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: You can check me out on my podcast. There are 756 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 2: no girls on the Internet. On iHeartRadio, a co host 757 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 2: a podcast called Citycast DC about local happenings and politics 758 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: and news and DC. You can check that out. I'm 759 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: on Instagram at Bridget Marine DC. I'm on TikTok at 760 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 2: Bridget Marine DC, and I'm on YouTube. There are no 761 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 2: girls on the Internet. Yeah, that's right, Okay. 762 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: Cool, I'm glad we figured that out, all right. 763 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 2: Noll I guess YouTube is is like, guess that's cool. 764 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 3: I'm doing my best out there. 765 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: So true. It could Happen Here is a production of 766 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. 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