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Speaker 2: All right, seet and pull question for the final hour
Speaker 2: of the program. And if you want to recap the
Speaker 2: first two hours of the program, that'd be great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got one up here.
Speaker 4: Now, Polly sent over NFL quarterbacks get too much credit
Speaker 4: or too much blame?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 4: That is a fifty one to forty nine split. Do
Speaker 4: you want to guess.
Speaker 2: Which one they get too much blame?
Speaker 4: Fifty one percent have them getting too much blame? Yes,
Speaker 4: too much blame. Does that mean that they those people
Speaker 4: will simply they don't get enough credit? Is that the
Speaker 4: flip side of that coin?
Speaker 1: Or No?
Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 5: I think so, yes, Paul, Based off this result, the
Speaker 5: quarterbacks getting the exact amount of blame and credit.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was going to point out. Great
Speaker 2: point by you, Paul. They get too much blame and
Speaker 2: too much credit. And this bears that out. The poll
Speaker 2: question for the final hour. Yeah, we just put that
Speaker 2: one up about three minutes ago. Okay, yeah, and what
Speaker 2: about the poll questions the previous hours? Anything to recap there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we have up there, Texans aside, if the
Speaker 4: Lions reached the Super Bowl, who should they want to play?
Speaker 2: Right now? They should want to play?
Speaker 4: At forty two point three percent of the vote, the
Speaker 4: Chiefs at forty two point one percent is the Bills.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you one thing. They don't want to play
Speaker 4: the Ravens. I'll tell you apparently not.
Speaker 2: Apparently not. But it's weird to say. Yeah, bring on,
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. I know it feels like they've been vulnerable
Speaker 2: all season long, but they also win these games. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're close games. They win these games. The number, the
Speaker 2: inordinate amount of games that are decided by seven points
Speaker 2: or less, it's at an all time high this season.
Speaker 2: You've got the one guy, you got, the fixer, you
Speaker 2: got the closer, you got Mariana Rivera enter Sandman, and
Speaker 2: that's the difference in these games. It can be one
Speaker 2: possession and oftentimes it is, and if I have the
Speaker 2: ultimate one possession guy, I don't want to face him.
Speaker 2: I want to see Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen do
Speaker 2: it and keep doing it at you know, whether the
Speaker 2: pressure is really on them. We've seen the pressure on Mahomes.
Speaker 2: He does really good when the pressure is on it.
Speaker 2: So I understand where you'd say that it feels like
Speaker 2: they're vulnerable, and they probably are, but Patrick Mahomes isn't vulnerable. Now.
Speaker 2: I would worry about the offensive line, as we saw
Speaker 2: when they played against Tampa a few years ago. When
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes has an ordinary line, he's ordinary and Tampa
Speaker 2: treated him that way. It doesn't happen very often, but
Speaker 2: it does feel like Kelsey is not Kelsey great Kelsey.
Speaker 2: He's good Kelsey, but he's another one of those big
Speaker 2: game game on the line. Six catches for ninety yards
Speaker 2: in a touchdown just feels like you can pencil that
Speaker 2: those kind of numbers in there, all right. Eight seven
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Speaker 2: That would be great product placement, Mike, if he's reading
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Speaker 6: Going to Philly and I'm taking it with me and
Speaker 6: I'm gonna sneak over to the bench. I'm gonna skirt
Speaker 6: past Big Dom. I've got Sims and Devin mccorty ready
Speaker 6: to create a diversion, and I'm gonna put it in
Speaker 6: the right spot and I'm hoping that we have that
Speaker 6: same jarring moment that we had.
Speaker 3: And I was watching the live and I'm like, what
Speaker 3: the hell He's got a book, and it was awesome.
Speaker 6: I always promote reading ninety nine cents. Can't find anything
Speaker 6: cheaper than that. Can't get this for ninety nine only
Speaker 6: the e book. You know, paper ain't free. But I
Speaker 6: want to get this in aj Brown's hands, and I'm
Speaker 6: taking it to Philly.
Speaker 3: It might get a little wet because it's going to
Speaker 3: snow now, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: What are you being told weatherwise? I know Kansas City
Speaker 2: will be cold. There's the chance for snow in Philadelphia,
Speaker 2: maybe in Buffalo as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: The thing about weather forecasts, and I don't mean to
Speaker 6: indict the entire industry, but it seems to me the
Speaker 6: only weather they ever get right is yesterday's. But at
Speaker 6: the same time, it's moving towards snow, and the temperature
Speaker 6: is gonna peak at thirty six degrees.
Speaker 3: This is your weather on the ones here on the
Speaker 3: Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 6: It's gonna peak at thirty six and it's gonna gradually drop
Speaker 6: throughout the day. And then we have a nor'easter or
Speaker 6: something that's going to cause four to five inches of snow.
Speaker 3: Throughout the day.
Speaker 6: And it looks like the greatest chance of snow comes
Speaker 6: right about the time we'll be freezing our asses off
Speaker 6: on the sideline before the game and during the game.
Speaker 6: And remember that twenty thirteen Lions Eagles game in Philly.
Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford was the quarterback of the Lions. Then he's
Speaker 6: been through it. The rest of the team has not been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we were talking to David Carr and he said,
Speaker 2: cold is what affects you. He said, you know, if
Speaker 2: it snows, you're okay with that. Wind is that's the
Speaker 2: big thing, if you know, if it's windy in these
Speaker 2: conditions here. And I was just talking about I kind
Speaker 2: of stumbled on this last hour where I said to
Speaker 2: David Carr, it feels like the Lions have pressure on
Speaker 2: them than anybody else, including the team trying to threepete
Speaker 2: in the Kansas City Chiefs. You're gonna lose your coordinators.
Speaker 2: Probably you had your opportunity last year. These windows close
Speaker 2: and it just feels like they have the spotlight on
Speaker 2: them shining a little brighter than anybody else.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, yo, when you talk about yourself as a
Speaker 6: team of destiny, that just amps it up even more.
Speaker 6: Now you're coming in as eight and a half point
Speaker 6: favorites against a team that feels more If you watch
Speaker 6: the outcomes of some of these Commander's games, it feels
Speaker 6: like destiny is on their side, not your side. And
Speaker 6: the challenge I think for Dan Campbell and the Lions
Speaker 6: because they've crafted this identity and being aggressive and going
Speaker 6: for it, and that's who we are.
Speaker 3: You don't even wonder anymore when it's fourth and anything
Speaker 3: less than five.
Speaker 6: But man, when you get into single elimination, you have
Speaker 6: to wonder, are there moments where you should set aside
Speaker 6: who you are and work the circumstances toward winning the game.
Speaker 6: I go back to the NFC Championship. They're up seventeen
Speaker 6: at the half, the forty nine Ers get a field
Speaker 6: goal to cut.
Speaker 3: It to fourteen.
Speaker 6: On the first drive of the third quarter, they get
Speaker 6: in position to put it back to a three score
Speaker 6: game and really put the clamps on the forty nine ers,
Speaker 6: But they went for it because that's what we always do,
Speaker 6: and that's fine as long as it works. When it
Speaker 6: doesn't work, it opened the door for the comeback and
Speaker 6: they came back and they knocked out the lines. Will
Speaker 6: Dan Campbell pivot from the nature of the team in
Speaker 6: the right moment to preserve a win? And when you're
Speaker 6: talking about a team like the Commanders that thrives on
Speaker 6: close games, it introduces even more risk if you are
Speaker 6: caught in this idea of do we go for the
Speaker 6: kill here or do we play it conservatively? And maybe
Speaker 6: with the commanders you could make the argument it is
Speaker 6: the smart thing to do to go for a knockout
Speaker 6: whenever you can get one.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk. You can
Speaker 2: see that show preceding hours on Peacock. Why is the
Speaker 2: coaching carousel slowed down.
Speaker 6: Because there's only two guys who were no brainers going
Speaker 6: into it, Mike Vrabel and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3: Now with Ben Johnson, the question.
Speaker 6: Is is there a spot where he is willing to
Speaker 6: go and give up this opportunity to be part of
Speaker 6: an emerging juggernaut in Detroit. And also, not every guy
Speaker 6: wants to be the guy at the front of the room.
Speaker 6: I've heard that Ben Johnson relishes his current role as
Speaker 6: mad scientists, coming up with all these trick plays, running
Speaker 6: the offense and not dealing with the pressure of being
Speaker 6: the head coach. Look at what Dan Campbell has to
Speaker 6: deal with. I mean, he got docksed. They had people
Speaker 6: show up at his house. When you're the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 6: that doesn't happen when you're the head coach. That happens,
Speaker 6: and alignment has been the word most associated with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 6: He wants alignment with the front office. So you look
Speaker 6: at some of these jobs where there's a GM that
Speaker 6: maybe isn't going to be as aligned, and then you
Speaker 6: look at the Raiders where two days after they fired
Speaker 6: the head coach, they cleared out the GM. The alignment
Speaker 6: is more likely going to be in Vegas if he
Speaker 6: chooses that job, And all indications when you talk to
Speaker 6: people around the league are the Raiders really won question
Speaker 6: is does he want to leave the Lions for anyone,
Speaker 6: specifically a Raiders team that needs a lot of help
Speaker 6: to become a contender.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered about this that does he stay. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many assistant coaches, Mike and you probably
Speaker 2: have a better handle on this. Coordinators who realize that
Speaker 2: they aren't head coaches or that maybe they don't want
Speaker 2: to be head coaches. And I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 2: I don't have any numbers to back that up. It
Speaker 2: feels like that's the natural progression. But yeah, as I've
Speaker 2: said many times, the audience is tired of hearing it.
Speaker 2: Not every coordinator is meant to be a head coach.
Speaker 6: Well, the other thing too, Dan, When you're a coordinator
Speaker 6: in the window opens for you to be a head coach,
Speaker 6: some guys feel like they'd better jump through it now
Speaker 6: because it might close by next year. Johnson has the confidence,
Speaker 6: and it's backed up by having a great team on
Speaker 6: the field that he's working with that the window is
Speaker 6: going to stay open, so I don't have to go
Speaker 6: this year.
Speaker 3: He didn't go last year. You'll wait for the right spot.
Speaker 6: The problem is these jobs rarely come open because the
Speaker 6: team looking for a coach is a properly functioning NFL franchise.
Speaker 6: Every team, unless you have a retirement when the guy
Speaker 6: walks away and the team's on top, every team that's
Speaker 6: looking for a coach is a bad team that is
Speaker 6: trying to find a way to get better. So you
Speaker 6: go into a dysfunctional situation. Two or three years later,
Speaker 6: you get fired, you have that scarlet letter on your
Speaker 6: coaching resume, and then.
Speaker 3: You go back to being a coordinator.
Speaker 6: I think Johnson understands that and it makes him reluctant
Speaker 6: to just take whatever comes along. There's a lot of
Speaker 6: factors that go into it, but number one is alignment,
Speaker 6: and if he doesn't have the alignment. He's not leaving,
Speaker 6: and I think this year, when you look at the
Speaker 6: jobs out there, you look at the teams that have
Speaker 6: interviewed him, like the Jets are at least sufficiently self
Speaker 6: aware to not even bother to try to interview Ben Johnson, right,
Speaker 6: So I give them credit there.
Speaker 3: They know what they are.
Speaker 6: But I think it's the Raiders or Lions take that
Speaker 6: Raider's job or stay put for Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: Favorite player, Aaron Rodgers. Not sure if he's going to
Speaker 2: play again next year, but I saw where the Vegas
Speaker 2: odds the favorites the Vegas football team. Your thoughts on
Speaker 2: Tom Brady bringing in Aaron Rodgers for a year, Well, it.
Speaker 6: Makes sense depending upon who they ultimately hire as GM
Speaker 6: and head coach. I think he's not going to be
Speaker 6: back with the Jets. I think he wants the Jets
Speaker 6: to be the ones to end it.
Speaker 3: But I don't think he.
Speaker 6: Wants to go back to the Jets after the last
Speaker 6: two years. When you consider your ultimate football legacy, nothing's
Speaker 6: going to take away what he did in Green Bay.
Speaker 3: But I think any.
Speaker 6: Competitor wants the last memory of you to be something
Speaker 6: other than what it's been with the Jets the last
Speaker 6: two years, and for him, where's my spot where I
Speaker 6: can do what I thought I was going to do
Speaker 6: with the Jets? And I don't know that the Raiders
Speaker 6: are in. When you're looking at the Chiefs and here
Speaker 6: are the Broncos who are ready to make a push,
Speaker 6: and the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh, it's going to be
Speaker 6: very difficult for the Raiders as long as there is
Speaker 6: that division competing with those three teams. So that would
Speaker 6: be the one downside if you're Rogers. Yeah, hey, it
Speaker 6: makes sense. I know, Brady, Hey, they need a quarterback,
Speaker 6: you know, Las Vegas whatever, proximity to where he lives
Speaker 6: in the offseason. But is it really a spot where
Speaker 6: you're gonna have a chance to compete for a postseason
Speaker 6: berth and ultimately a championship.
Speaker 2: How real is the Deonda Dallas story in your opinion?
Speaker 6: Well, I think it was a master stroke of publicity
Speaker 6: and attention. They drop it that Deonna talked to Jerry
Speaker 6: Jones during the Rams Vikings playoffs game. They know what
Speaker 6: they're doing and there's a lot of that Carnival Barker
Speaker 6: and Jerry Jones. But I just don't see it happening
Speaker 6: under the current circumstances. And now Deon's a guy who
Speaker 6: said a year ago he'd never coached in the NFL.
Speaker 6: Then he says, I'd only coach my sons. Well, Shadur's
Speaker 6: not going to be the quarterback of the Cowboys next year.
Speaker 6: He may not be the quarterback of the Cowboys for
Speaker 6: a long time to come because of Dak Prescott's contract.
Speaker 6: So I don't see it making sense. But how many
Speaker 6: things do the Cowboys do that make sense? And at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, who are they going to hire?
Speaker 6: And here's the problem with doing the Hey we're gonna
Speaker 6: talk to dian and Hey we're going to talk to
Speaker 6: this guy, and hey we're gonna talk about Bill Belichick,
Speaker 6: and our new coach is Kellen Moore. It's kind of
Speaker 6: a letdown, all due respect to Kevin Moore at the
Speaker 6: end of Kellen Moore at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: if that's where it goes. But I think a lot
Speaker 6: of people are thinking it's going to be Kellen Moore
Speaker 6: when it's.
Speaker 3: All said and done.
Speaker 6: With this weird possibility that Jason Witten could make the
Speaker 6: jump from high school football coach to Cowboys coach, because
Speaker 6: there are people who think one of these days is
Speaker 6: going to be the head coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: It just might not be now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he made that jump to broadcasting and that
Speaker 2: didn't go well for Jason Witten. I would think it
Speaker 2: would be a tough a tougher jump from high school
Speaker 2: football to coaching the Cowboys. See, Oh my god, you're right.
Speaker 3: Here, right Dan, It's not real. I mean, is it
Speaker 3: really a coveted job? Is it really?
Speaker 6: When you go to Dallas, you have to accept the
Speaker 6: fact that Jerry's the one who's shopping for the groceries,
Speaker 6: that Jerry's going to do two radio spots that are
Speaker 6: going to make headlines during the season, that he's going
Speaker 6: to do a postgame media scrum that's going to outshine
Speaker 6: your postgame press conference.
Speaker 3: You've got to be ready to deal with that if
Speaker 3: you're a head.
Speaker 6: Coach, and a lot of these guys who want to
Speaker 6: be the head coach don't want Jerry Jones to be
Speaker 6: the face and voice of the team.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think being the coach of the Cowboys
Speaker 2: means as much as it once did thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: I still think being the quarterback of the Cowboys still
Speaker 2: means an awful lot. But that's the problem I have
Speaker 2: with this job. No matter who takes the job, you've
Speaker 2: got a thirty two year old, injury prone, immobile quarterback
Speaker 2: who's making who's owed over two hundred and thirty million
Speaker 2: dollars guaranteed. That's not something I want to walk into.
Speaker 6: Cowboys have done a great job drafting and developing. They
Speaker 6: have made numerous mistakes figuring out what to do with
Speaker 6: their young players when it's time to pay them. They've
Speaker 6: paid the wrong guys like Michael Gallup. They've not paid
Speaker 6: or waited too long to pay the right guys, which
Speaker 6: paints them into a corner. They did that twice with
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott. They did that Dak Prescott current contract sixty
Speaker 6: million a year with all that guaranteed money, on the
Speaker 6: morning of the regular season opener, because they knew, we
Speaker 6: need to do this or he's going to.
Speaker 3: Walk away as a free agent.
Speaker 6: And in hindsight, plenty of Cowboys fans would say we
Speaker 6: should have let him play it out and start from
Speaker 6: scratch at the quarterback position. But they have just mishandled
Speaker 6: the negotiations. They wait too long, They lobe all the players,
Speaker 6: and then they come around and cry, uncle, it's just
Speaker 6: not a good way to build a sustainable, successful franchise.
Speaker 2: Let me look at a couple of resumes here before
Speaker 2: I let you go. If I said Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, who are Hall of famers right now?
Speaker 6: And I saw a tweet earlier in the week from
Speaker 6: the guy at ESPN who goes by HIMBO that McCarthy
Speaker 6: needs a better publicist because McCarthy has a better track
Speaker 6: record than Peyton and Tomlin when you look at some
Speaker 6: of the big picture things, I think that Tomlin right now,
Speaker 6: given the eighteen years in Pittsburgh, given that it's the Steelers,
Speaker 6: two super Bowl pace pearances, consistent contender, never had a
Speaker 6: losing season, I think Tomlin is the guy who walks
Speaker 6: right in. But you know Peyton and MacArthur are going
Speaker 6: to have strong cases. But then there's a logjam. There's
Speaker 6: plenty of coaches who deserve to be in who haven't
Speaker 6: gotten in, and they always change the rules a little bit,
Speaker 6: and you never quite know what the standard is, or
Speaker 6: what the process is, or whether coaches are competing with
Speaker 6: other players are competing with owners or they have their
Speaker 6: own lane. It's hard for guys who deserve to be
Speaker 6: in to get in, like a Mike Holmgren and a
Speaker 6: Mike Shanahan. So the coaches of today are going to
Speaker 6: be caught behind that.
Speaker 3: But I think Tomlin is the one.
Speaker 6: Eighteen years, no losing seasons, two Super Bowl appearances, playoff appearances.
Speaker 3: I think Tomlin is the one of the three that's
Speaker 3: the most likely to get in.
Speaker 2: Safe travels to Philadelphia. Play nice there, Mike, Well.
Speaker 6: I'm not the one that needs to be told to
Speaker 6: play nice. I gotta worry about the fans. Rodney Harrison's
Speaker 6: gonna throw snowballs at me. It's going to be a
Speaker 6: challenging day.
Speaker 3: I might wear a helmet.
Speaker 2: He's Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host and
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Speaker 2: and on our way home, We'll take a break. Jason
Speaker 2: Garrett said to join us next year on the Dan
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Speaker 2: this summer was a busy guy. He was working with
Speaker 2: NFL Films and in May he was with Troy Aikman
Speaker 2: and Dak Prescott. He then traveled to San Diego he
Speaker 2: was with Drew Brees, North Turner, and then the legendary
Speaker 2: quarterback coach Tom House. Went to Phoenix he worked with
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner. He also was therefore Aaron Rodgers and in
Speaker 2: Buffalo with Josh aut So what was he doing with
Speaker 2: all of these great offensive minds, all of these quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: so give us this synopsis of what you were trying
Speaker 2: to accomplish or did accomplish with your summer project here. Yeah.
Speaker 9: You know, a couple of years ago, I was up
Speaker 9: in training camp visiting the Packers and Matt Lafour was great.
Speaker 9: I spent the whole day with him, a setn meetings,
Speaker 9: and at the end of the day we're finishing out
Speaker 9: the quarterback meeting. And you know, I used to always
Speaker 9: tell our players in Dallas that if you get a
Speaker 9: chance to be around greatness, don't ask guys about their
Speaker 9: house or their car or their boat, right ask him
Speaker 9: about why they're great. And so I'm sitting next to
Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers and I said, I'm going to take my
Speaker 9: own advice here. And I just turned to him and said, hey,
Speaker 9: just before I leave, just give me one thought. I'm
Speaker 9: throwing one of the best throwers of his generation, one
Speaker 9: of the best of all time. And I've known him
Speaker 9: for a long time. My first year coaching was in
Speaker 9: Miami for Nick Saban and it was two thousand and five,
Speaker 9: the year that Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers were coming out.
Speaker 9: We had the second pick in the draft, so spent
Speaker 9: a lot of time with him then and coached him
Speaker 9: in the Pro Bowl and competed against him. And he's
Speaker 9: always been very generous with me, and so he jumps
Speaker 9: up out of the seat and he says, all I
Speaker 9: think about when I throw is getting the way to
Speaker 9: the inside of my left ankle, the inside of my
Speaker 9: left half, and the inside of my left knee. And
Speaker 9: I'm like, like, what are you talking about. I've never
Speaker 9: heard anybody talk about that, And so it struck me.
Speaker 9: I'm flying home that night and I had a throwing
Speaker 9: sequence of Joe Namath on my wall when I was
Speaker 9: growing up. It was eight throws from his book The
Speaker 9: Classic A Matter of Style. I don't know if you
Speaker 9: remember that, but it was just incredible, and so I
Speaker 9: had this image of name it in my mind. But
Speaker 9: bu buh buh buh buh buh buck talking about throwing.
Speaker 9: That's that's how I envisioned the perfect throwing motion. And
Speaker 9: here's Aaron Rodgers fifty years later talking about the inside
Speaker 9: of his left ankle, like what are we talking about here?
Speaker 9: So what it struck me that the best thrower then
Speaker 9: throw it one way. The best thrower now throws it
Speaker 9: another way, and the evolution of the throwing motion it's different.
Speaker 9: And so I asked a few people about it, and
Speaker 9: they kind of agreed with me, and I said, I
Speaker 9: want to talk to the principal guys. I want to
Speaker 9: talk to the guys who are actually throwing the ball.
Speaker 9: And so I got with Troy and Dak and then
Speaker 9: they kind of grew to a chance to talk to
Speaker 9: Drew Brees and Tom House and Norv and everybody from there,
Speaker 9: and eventually would talk to Aaron and Josh Allen. And
Speaker 9: what we found out is it has evolved that the
Speaker 9: great throwers back then could really throw the ball. You
Speaker 9: go back and look at the tape of Joe Namath
Speaker 9: and Terry Bradshaw and those guys. They could throw the
Speaker 9: heck out of the ball, Marino, Elway, Aikman, all these guys,
Speaker 9: but they do it differently than the guys are throwing
Speaker 9: it today. And so we just did an examination of it.
Speaker 9: We did it with NFL films, and NFL films, as
Speaker 9: we all know, is one of the great entities of
Speaker 9: all times. So it was a really fun project to do.
Speaker 2: But also this is the evolution of the golf swing.
Speaker 2: They're hitting it further, they're using the ground getting kind
Speaker 2: of leveraged with that. With baseball, we're seeing pictures throw,
Speaker 2: you know, more pictures throwing faster than ever can can.
Speaker 2: Are these quarterbacks throwing the ball faster like that is
Speaker 2: that important? Or is it the quickness of the release
Speaker 2: that's more important.
Speaker 9: Well, one thing that you know part of this project
Speaker 9: is we're going to try to go deeper on this.
Speaker 9: It was a twenty two minute segment NFL Films Presents,
Speaker 9: and one of my pangs when we finished it was
Speaker 9: we probably use less than one percent of the content
Speaker 9: for each of the guys. Troy Aikman talked about it
Speaker 9: for over an hour, Drew Brees hour and a half.
Speaker 9: I mean, we had so much great stuff and you
Speaker 9: have to try to fit it in into this little window.
Speaker 9: So I think you can go a lot deeper on
Speaker 9: all this. And one of the great takeaways is all
Speaker 9: these rotational athletes do things with the same principles of physics.
Speaker 9: And you said it, it's ground force, it's rotation, it's lag.
Speaker 9: You know this concept of lag where you're opening your
Speaker 9: hips and you're keeping your upper body closed and you're
Speaker 9: kind of cork screwing and then it all whipping together.
Speaker 9: That's not something we talked a ton about when I
Speaker 9: was growing up throwing a football. It was more about showld,
Speaker 9: the rotation, it's all coming together, and so I think
Speaker 9: these guys are more into that. And a big part
Speaker 9: of this is the game has changed. When you think
Speaker 9: about name It, we go back and we see these
Speaker 9: pictures of name It. He's literally taking a thirteen step drop,
Speaker 9: He's fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage, rifling these
Speaker 9: balls down the field. And you know, some people say
Speaker 9: name when I completed fifty percent of his pass as
Speaker 9: he threw more interception than touchdowns. Well, the game was
Speaker 9: completely different back then. Bubble screens and rocket screens and
Speaker 9: get it out of your hand and all that kind
Speaker 9: of stuff. That's not what the game was. So these
Speaker 9: guys were bigger, stronger, like rifling it down the field.
Speaker 9: Now it's more like shortstop the second base. We're getting
Speaker 9: the ball out of our hand a lot. So how
Speaker 9: do you generate hower with using ground force and rotation
Speaker 9: and have these quicker, little Derek Jeter type throws in
Speaker 9: the middle of the infield. I think the game has
Speaker 9: become a lot of that, and these guys are awfully
Speaker 9: good at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's available on YouTube. It's nerdtastic, Like you'll nerd
Speaker 2: out if you're into this stuff and Jason sent it
Speaker 2: to me, and I'm like, this is great. You did
Speaker 2: a great job. Jason will be in Philadelphia. It's the
Speaker 2: Rams and the Eagles coming up on Sunday. There's always
Speaker 2: a surprise divisional round weekend. Give me this surprise.
Speaker 9: I don't think there's a prize this weekend. I really don't.
Speaker 9: I think Kansas City wins as great as Houston was
Speaker 9: last week. You know, we had the show on Sunday
Speaker 9: night and we had these gigantic pictures of Andy Reid,
Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes, and Travis Kelsey behind us, and I just
Speaker 9: turned around and said, first ballot, first ballot, first ballot,
Speaker 9: and they're playing at home. I think it's hard for Houston,
Speaker 9: as great as they played last week, to go up
Speaker 9: there and beat them, I really do. I think it'll
Speaker 9: be hard for Washington to go into Detroit to win
Speaker 9: as great as Jayden Daniels was last week. I think
Speaker 9: it's gonna be hard for the Rams to go to
Speaker 9: Philly and win. And then the one that I think
Speaker 9: everybody's waiting for is Josh against Lamar, and I think
Speaker 9: that's a pick him anyway. So I don't see any
Speaker 9: big surprises. I think we's have four great games.
Speaker 2: You got to take Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 3: How you taking?
Speaker 9: Every time I'm on this show, you're asking me these
Speaker 9: kinds of questions. Uh, gun to my head, I'd take
Speaker 9: Josh Allen, but I think Lamar Jackson's one of the
Speaker 9: most amazing players I've ever seen in my life, so
Speaker 9: it's hard for me to argue against him. Two time MVP,
Speaker 9: he'll probably be a third MVP, and he's revolutionized the
Speaker 9: quarterback position.
Speaker 2: But well, I thought Josh Allen was the MVP this year,
Speaker 2: even Lamar had the stats. Last year, Josh had the stats,
Speaker 2: didn't win. So I like, it's a fluid philosophy or
Speaker 2: criteria for voting for MVP, and I think that's where
Speaker 2: I go. Okay, I didn't expect Buffalo to be this good. Now,
Speaker 2: granted they were in a bad division, but I looked
Speaker 2: at them as an underdog, and I thought I'd actually
Speaker 2: seen Josh Allen become a great quarterback this year where
Speaker 2: he didn't force it. He didn't put on the Superman
Speaker 2: cape as much as he likes to, and it felt
Speaker 2: like that was a true team effort. So MVP for
Speaker 2: a team, I would give it to him. I thought
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry is a great security blanket. Now, I did
Speaker 2: have somebody, a coach who said the following. You keep
Speaker 2: talking about how you know Derrick Henry helped Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think Lamar Jackson helped out Derrick Henry
Speaker 2: as well? Because what he was in Tennessee, anybody could
Speaker 2: have had him. Nobody wanted him. They take him and
Speaker 2: he rushes for nearly two thousand yards. So a long
Speaker 2: winded way of saying, I would take Josh. There's no
Speaker 2: wrong answer in this.
Speaker 9: Yeah. The trickiest thing for me is I was fortunate
Speaker 9: to be on those great teams with the Cowboys in
Speaker 9: the nineties, and one of the things I learned was
Speaker 9: everyone benefited from each other. Troy Aikman made Emmitt Smith better.
Speaker 9: Emma Smith made Troy Aikman better. Emmitt Smith made the
Speaker 9: receivers better. The line made Emmitt better. Emmitt made the
Speaker 9: line better. They made the defense better, you know. And
Speaker 9: so that's that's when when you're a great team, that's
Speaker 9: what happens. And sometimes you say each of the guys,
Speaker 9: their candidacy for something like MVP gets diminished. Because hey,
Speaker 9: he's got Derrick Henry well, yeah, you know, and and
Speaker 9: fair or unfair, but that's what teams are. You know,
Speaker 9: Magic and Kareem played together. You know, Burd McHale played together.
Speaker 9: I mean, Jordan and Pippin played together. I mean, if
Speaker 9: you want to be a great championship team, you have
Speaker 9: to have good players around you. And so I don't
Speaker 9: think we should diminish Lamar, but it certainly is an
Speaker 9: advantage for Lamar to have Big twenty two behind him.
Speaker 2: Jason Garrett, NBC Football Night in America, former Cowboys head coach,
Speaker 2: what advice would you give Dion Sanders about taking the
Speaker 2: Cowboys job if offered.
Speaker 9: If he wants to do it, he should take it.
Speaker 9: He's done an amazing job at Colorado. I think he's
Speaker 9: changing college football in some ways and he's impacting a
Speaker 9: ton of lives. But if he feels compelled to dive
Speaker 9: into it, dive into it. He and Jerry have a
Speaker 9: long relationship and.
Speaker 2: They need to know though, Jason, about Jerry the owner,
Speaker 2: don the coach, that's different than that owner and that player.
Speaker 2: So this is different. This is day to day, week
Speaker 2: to week, game to game, and that's a whole different game.
Speaker 9: No doubt. But I bring that up just because that
Speaker 9: relationship matters. I think Dion knows Jerry. Jerry knows Dion,
Speaker 9: and I think they can have the kind of conversations
Speaker 9: you need to have between owner slash general manager and
Speaker 9: head coach. You got to be able to be honest
Speaker 9: and to direct with each other. And when you're the
Speaker 9: head coach in that situation, sometimes things don't go your way.
Speaker 9: Sometimes you want to do something u and the owner
Speaker 9: in general manager wants to do something else. And that's
Speaker 9: part of the deal. Everybody's got a boss, right, So
Speaker 9: I do think they can be honest with each other.
Speaker 9: I don't think they'll be walking on it bashells around
Speaker 9: each other. I think they value their relationship and I
Speaker 9: think they can be direct with each other. I think
Speaker 9: that benefits that situation. So my encouragement to him would be,
Speaker 9: tell Jerry what you think it might not go your way,
Speaker 9: tell him what you think he needs to know. What
Speaker 9: you think about this player, this coach, this philosophy, what
Speaker 9: we're doing on offense defense, And then if it becomes
Speaker 9: something where you have to get into it you have
Speaker 9: a disagreement, hopefully you can rely on that relationship. You've
Speaker 9: had to work your way through it, and I think
Speaker 9: that's an important thing.
Speaker 2: Just feels like they're two CEOs though, Jason.
Speaker 9: Well, if you think about what the what the position
Speaker 9: of head coach is, there's a lot of great coordinators
Speaker 9: on offense and defense who go become head coaches and
Speaker 9: they're not real good at it because maybe they don't
Speaker 9: fully understand that being a head coach is a leadership
Speaker 9: position first and foremost, and there has to be layers
Speaker 9: of leadership in an organization. It's multi tiered leadership, and
Speaker 9: so it's owner and general manager, but then it's head coach,
Speaker 9: and then it's coordinators, it's quarterback, all of that. So
Speaker 9: I don't know that because both of them have leadership
Speaker 9: CEO type skills, I don't know that it has to
Speaker 9: be combative. It can be layered, and I think that's
Speaker 9: an important piece of this. Hopefully they don't step over
Speaker 9: each other, and hopefully the big CEO gives the next
Speaker 9: CEO a chance to put his imprint on the team,
Speaker 9: because I think that's an important part of it.
Speaker 2: But what was it like when Jerry's holding his own
Speaker 2: press conference?
Speaker 9: Sometimes it could be challenging because, as you know, media people.
Speaker 2: It's a fun word there, challenging.
Speaker 9: Media people love to find the wedge and so sometimes,
Speaker 9: you know, Jerry would say something and I think the
Speaker 9: people who were covering our team knew that probably that
Speaker 9: wasn't something that I agreed with, and they say, hey,
Speaker 9: Jerry said this, what do you think about that? So
Speaker 9: you had to deal with that. But you know, it
Speaker 9: comes with the dinner. As Troy used to say, you
Speaker 9: just figure it out and you can't let you can't
Speaker 9: let those things detract from what you're trying to build.
Speaker 9: Sometimes you'd wish they weren't there, you didn't have to
Speaker 9: deal with those distractions. There's a lot of attention on
Speaker 9: that team anyway, so why we you know, and fuel
Speaker 9: to the fire. But you know, again, it's part of
Speaker 9: it and you'll work your way through it.
Speaker 2: I asked Tim Callishaw. If I said to Jerry Jones,
Speaker 2: you can't hold can't have a radio show, can't do
Speaker 2: any interviews for the next five years, but you're I'm
Speaker 2: going to guarantee you as Super Bowl, would Jerry be
Speaker 2: able to go without being interviewed do his radio shows?
Speaker 2: If I said you're going to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 9: Again. I just don't think I just don't think he
Speaker 9: wants to give that up. Asked me the other day,
Speaker 9: you know, do you go in there and do you
Speaker 9: try to do you try to change Jared Jones. I said,
Speaker 9: he's eighty two years old. You're not changing him. This
Speaker 9: is what he wants to do. He took a lot
Speaker 9: of risk in his life. He made a lot of money.
Speaker 9: He'll tell you the story about how he bought the
Speaker 9: Dallas Cowboys, a risky endeavor and with that risk comes
Speaker 9: a lot of reward and a lot of freedom. And
Speaker 9: part of it is he feels like he wants to
Speaker 9: be the lead voice of the organization. And I don't
Speaker 9: see him giving that up anytime soon.
Speaker 2: That's for sure. You'll find Jason Garrett this video. I
Speaker 2: don't even know how to describe it, but it's on YouTube.
Speaker 2: And if you love sort of the evolution of the
Speaker 2: quarterback and throwing and hearing from all these Hall of famers,
Speaker 2: it's really great. It's nerdtastic, as I've come up with
Speaker 2: that word. And Jason will be on the road. It'll
Speaker 2: be Football Night in America in the afternoon on Sunday.
Speaker 2: They started two o'clock with the Rams and the Eagles
Speaker 2: save travels. Thanks for joining us, Yeah, thanks, Dan.
Speaker 9: Always enjoy it that.
Speaker 2: Jason Garrett, there's always one of those questions. I have
Speaker 2: to ask Jason where he goes. You always do this
Speaker 2: to me every time I come on. Yep, And if
Speaker 2: I was on Football Night in America still I would
Speaker 2: do that too. For a national TV audience, yes, Paul.
Speaker 5: But so many people speculate on coaching the Cowboys and
Speaker 5: what it's like day to day. This guy for a
Speaker 5: long time, did it. I mean it's I can't imagine
Speaker 5: the juggle of when you go to the podium and
Speaker 5: the owner. It's just spoken.
Speaker 2: You don't know what he says, like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: what does he do? All Right? When we come back,
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Speaker 2: Get your voice ready, Marvin, here we go.
Speaker 10: Ever since I was a tiny bar, no one, no condy,
Speaker 10: I don't mean it's us.
Speaker 2: Yeah two three four uh. The man named after Marvin Gay.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the accompaniment there, Marvin. All right, last
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Speaker 5: For the first time in almost two years, Dick Vitel
Speaker 5: will return on air at ESPN for the Duke Wake
Speaker 5: Forest game tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome baby, awesome baby.
Speaker 1: That's awesome baby.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Todd, thank you. That's great. That's great. Been
Speaker 2: a long, long, long haul here for Dicky V. But
Speaker 2: this is what he lives for.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: We talk about coaches who want to coach until they die.
Speaker 2: Dicky V wants to broadcast until he dies. That's what
Speaker 2: he does. He loves basketball, He loves the environment, the students,
Speaker 2: the coaches, everything about that. He is college basketball and
Speaker 2: has been for close to forty years. Yes, Marvin, who's the.
Speaker 10: Dick Vitell of other sports where they're so passionate about
Speaker 10: a sport you could just see oozes out of them.
Speaker 2: Well you don't, I mean, Dicky V's unique, don't. I
Speaker 2: don't know if there is. John Madden was kind of that.
Speaker 2: But but you know, John was a really successful coach.
Speaker 2: Dicky V was not a successful coach, and he coached
Speaker 2: a little bit in the NBA and then in college
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 10: Yes, Mart, well maybe not in terms of enthusiasm, but
Speaker 10: the way they spoke about the game, even if they
Speaker 10: were even kill emotionally, you could tell this do list
Speaker 10: for this game.
Speaker 2: I once again, I don't know if there's anybody that
Speaker 2: passionate about their sport than Dickie V. But but Dicky
Speaker 2: V got to broadcast like he was different than anybody else.
Speaker 2: He did it in a way that was different than
Speaker 2: anybody else. And I don't know nobody's going to try
Speaker 2: to emulate that. I mean, you'd be crazy to go
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the Dicky V of NFL or
Speaker 2: college football. That just that that would be almost impossible.
Speaker 2: By the way, I got a random stat of Rando here,
Speaker 2: most fifty point games allowed since the start of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty season in the NBA, You guys want to
Speaker 2: guess the team that has allowed the most fifty point
Speaker 2: games since twenty nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 5: Yes, Pauly, it feels wizard ise, you know, a little wizard.
Speaker 5: It is the Wizards of Waverley the job. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: have allowed ten fifty point scores over that period. The
Speaker 5: Pacers are next, Hawks and Spurs after that. And in
Speaker 5: case you're wondering, ooh boy, let me see, is there
Speaker 5: one in here?
Speaker 2: Now? These are all pretty good names there that scored
Speaker 2: fifty against the Wizards. Let's see the Pacers. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think if there's any, um, well, here's one. The Hawks.
Speaker 2: Steph Curry did it twice, Luca did it once, Kevin Durant,
Speaker 2: Zach Levine, Klay Thompson. And who is the other player
Speaker 2: to get at least fifty against the Hawks over this
Speaker 2: time frame. I don't even what team he plays on.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I pronounced his first name correct.
Speaker 2: Mala Malachi Flynn.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he didn't know that, Malauchey Flynn. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 11: know why. That kind of caught my eye here and
Speaker 11: just random, Andy, and Rhode Island is back.
Speaker 2: Hi, Andy, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Kay?
Speaker 12: Damn woman's cross wap?
Speaker 7: Oh hello.
Speaker 2: Andy?
Speaker 12: Oh sorry, guys, guys, I'm crossing the streets.
Speaker 2: Somebody just flew past his cross wap.
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, So let me get this together.
Speaker 9: Guys.
Speaker 12: I was thinking, you guys have a most valuable Dannette,
Speaker 12: you have a least valuable Dannet. But what happened to
Speaker 12: the most underrated Dannet?
Speaker 5: Dan?
Speaker 12: You know, I've been thinking really hard about it, and
Speaker 12: you know, I feel that there would be some good
Speaker 12: contended for it. And also, what would the optics be
Speaker 12: on Princey if he showed up having a rough day
Speaker 12: and he just started reading a book in the middle
Speaker 12: of the show, what would office.
Speaker 9: Be on that?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 2: No, that Aj Brown had a good game, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't like if Fritzy showed up and was having a
Speaker 2: great show, then you know he would be he could
Speaker 2: he could be reading a book.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just don't pay attention sometimes I'm not reading
Speaker 10: a book. Eleven, Yes, Mark, get out of my head.
Speaker 10: The irony is what number does Aj Brown wear?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 2: Eleven full circle. This day in sports history, Paul just one.
Speaker 5: Nineteen sixty three, Wilt Chamberlain of the San Francisco Warriors
Speaker 5: score sixty seven points against the LA Lakers.
Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty one, two Manhattan College basketball players three book
Speaker 2: makers arrested for conspiring to fix basketball games. Ultimately saw
Speaker 2: thirty two players from seven different schools arrested for point shaving.
Speaker 2: Of course, that couldn't happen nowadays, could it. Let's see, Todd,
Speaker 2: would you learn today? Shake Gilders Alexander is a nickname.
Speaker 6: SGA is simply his initials because it's too hard to
Speaker 6: say his full name.
Speaker 2: Seet no counter SGA.
Speaker 4: Nicknames are pretty tricky to come by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Todd came up with the kids. I like it.
Speaker 2: Marvin Lawyer is going to wear a helmet in Philly.
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