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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest from the

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Speaker 3: newest cases as we.

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Speaker 4: Talked with the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I

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Speaker 4: am Captain Ron, and today I'll be speaking with Michael Schrapp.

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Speaker 4: Michael's a military aerospace historian and a private pilot himself.

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Speaker 4: He's been investigating UFO cases for over twenty five years,

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Speaker 4: including meticulously reviewing a minimum of fifty thousand cases that

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Speaker 4: were preserved at the Center of UFO Studies in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: That's the group that was founded by the late Jay

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Speaker 4: Allen Heinek. What he also does is he takes these

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Speaker 4: old cases, takes their descriptions, even some line drawings, original

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Speaker 4: line drawings, and then he commissions new color drawings and

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Speaker 4: illustrations to bring these cases to life. It makes it

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Speaker 4: much easier to understand, and he refreshes them and it's

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Speaker 4: really fantastic. He does as much research in this area

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Speaker 4: as anyone I know. Hi, Michael, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: You've been looking at this UFO subject for a long time,

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Speaker 4: and after all that time, do you feel that some

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Speaker 4: of these are actually craft from off planet, other civilizations

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Speaker 4: of some kind et craft.

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Speaker 5: Well, looking at this for a little while now, personally,

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Speaker 5: I'm convinced that ninety five percent of what people are

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Speaker 5: reporting as extraterrestrial UFOs are in point of effect, are

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Speaker 5: on Deep Black programs. The remaining five percent represents the

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Speaker 5: core of reality of this phenomenon. Some of the new understanding,

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Speaker 5: and this kind of goes back to Roswell, is that

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Speaker 5: these crafts were not et in nature, but they were

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Speaker 5: extra teenchoral from our future. So that's kind of been

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Speaker 5: some of the latest understanding.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is. That is one of the talks, even

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Speaker 4: the interdimensional travel. Even Mark D'Antonio and some of these

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Speaker 4: other guys are saying that they think that these craft

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Speaker 4: actually somehow are able to transfer between dimensions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because these UFOs, these usos, these UAP they have

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Speaker 5: been seen as tricksters. They can materialize and demterialize as

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Speaker 5: they need. They've been seen going into the side of

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Speaker 5: the mountains with no impact. They seem to have no

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Speaker 5: problem going from one medium to the next. They can

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Speaker 5: go from air to water and air back again. So

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Speaker 5: it doesn't look like we're dealing with metallic shit. You know,

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Speaker 5: in many cases we're dealing with something else here.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that any of those things could be

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Speaker 4: actually secret military aircraft or perhaps another government spy program

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Speaker 4: that just has better technology than we're aware.

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Speaker 5: Well, just looking at the documents, looking at the newspaper clippings,

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Speaker 5: and tracking the Black budget for decades, you can clearly

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Speaker 5: see that they have been throwing billions of dollars into

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Speaker 5: black programs, and some of these programs they were born black,

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Speaker 5: they died black. Will never hear anything about it. There's

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Speaker 5: no public scrutiny, there's no accountability these things are off

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Speaker 5: the rails. If there's a failure, we're never going to

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Speaker 5: hear about it. We're never going to hear about In fact,

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Speaker 5: during the Clinton industry, we were spending one hundred million

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Speaker 5: dollars per day programs.

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Speaker 4: Incredible. I mean, if that's what we're spending that kind

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Speaker 4: Maybe by now we've developed something like this, So maybe

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Speaker 4: it isn't another civilization? Is it possible that these are

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Speaker 5: Looking at the newspaper clippings from the mid nineteen fifties,

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Speaker 4: They've done it.

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Speaker 5: They have absolutely done it.

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Speaker 4: So then there may in fact not be anything to

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Speaker 5: just not consistent with the historical record. In fact, I've

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Speaker 5: got cases from eighteen sixty five in Wajaco, Mexico. This

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Speaker 5: Hundreds of times people saw a yellow colored trumpet hovering

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Speaker 5: So these cases.

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Speaker 4: Go back a lot earlier. I've even heard of things

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Speaker 4: the sky and things like that. Obviously that's not our military,

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Speaker 4: so maybe there is something there You've been looking at

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Speaker 4: this for so long, and lately your attention seems to

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Speaker 4: have moved on to crash retrieval cases, specifically. A couple

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Speaker 4: his revised book he chronicles details of one hundred and

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Speaker 4: four crash retrieval cases, and he mentions that there may

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Speaker 4: be even a few more new ones that haven't made

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Speaker 4: his book yet. You've been looking at the accumulated case

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Speaker 4: studies of Leonard Stringfield, and I think you mentioned he

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Speaker 4: had what one hundred nineteen cases.

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Speaker 5: Very well done, Yeah, nineteen, plus an additional over one

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Speaker 5: and only following him two. Now he's got over one

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Speaker 4: Yes, I always like to point that out. The more

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Speaker 5: We've got people working at rich Petters and air Fook

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Speaker 4: To us personally.

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Speaker 5: I think it's the crash retrievals that are going to

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Speaker 5: the debris, and the craft rolled up all into this thing.

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Speaker 5: And we've been doing this for eighty years now as

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Speaker 5: it's incumbent upon us track down these remaining legacy witnesses

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Speaker 5: can bring us to the bodies. You know, for example,

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Speaker 5: we have his testimony. He's a incredible witness.

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Speaker 4: Wow. I think that people disregard too much of this

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Speaker 4: And Michael, you were talking about these cases of crash

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Speaker 4: retrievals and you had looked at the Leonard Stringfield stuff.

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Speaker 4: Why don't you tell us who Leonard Stringfield was and

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Speaker 4: what do we know about him.

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Speaker 5: Leonard Stringfield was a former military personnel. He died in

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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety four. He worked in Cincinnati in a chemical

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Speaker 5: get on Amazon. UFO Crash Retrievals by Leonard Stringfield. It's

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Speaker 5: about one hundred dollars book. It's well worth it. But

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really cool and it really does bring life

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm talking

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Speaker 5: These were first hand military sources. Now, we do have

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Speaker 4: you know. I also feel, Michael, that a lot of

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Speaker 5: Well, we've seen the David Grush thing last year. You

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Speaker 5: people who worked on these programs, people who loaded craft

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Speaker 5: because they're going to age out. You mean they're going

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it, no doubt about it. You know,

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Speaker 5: Lost so many year though, because as you know, the

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Speaker 5: There are families now that handed the debris down through

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Speaker 5: they don't care what you know. They care what you

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Speaker 5: You can talk all the witnesses and secondhand dead Man testimony,

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Speaker 5: you have physical evidence. It's a non issue to them.

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Speaker 5: You get physical evidence, now you're on the radar screen.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Let's say they turn in the piece. Somebody calls

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Speaker 5: It would have to be absolutely verified. There has to

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Speaker 5: So that's a problem too, is getting it verified. It

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Speaker 4: I have to admit, Michael, that the sheer volume of

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Speaker 4: our government must have recovered something. Do you find that

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Speaker 4: these cases have similarities, like you've found different witnesses claim

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Speaker 5: I don't think I could say it much better, but yes,

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Speaker 5: you're absolutely correct. What I'm finding after looking at these

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Speaker 5: Is that when you find a common denominator or feature

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Speaker 5: exact same thing by another person, separated by time and space,

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Speaker 5: When he got off the plane, they brought him to

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Speaker 5: These witnesses did not know each other, and this is

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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm

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Speaker 4: talking with Michael Schrad here. You brought up this nineteen

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Speaker 4: sixty three case that this marine was testifying to. Seeing this,

446
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Speaker 4: it's almost sort of like a clamshow where it's got

447
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Speaker 4: the big portals around the side on the edges. Is

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Speaker 4: that correct?

449
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Speaker 5: Well well done? Well done?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So he walks in and he notices that there are

452
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Speaker 5: other guards there as well. His job was to guard

453
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Speaker 5: this thing for two weeks. There were men with lab

454
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 5: coat technicians, white lab coats. All these people had color

455
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 5: coded badges on. So if you had a yellow badge,

456
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 5: you could go here. If you had a green badge,

457
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 5: you could go here. If you had a red badge,

458
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 5: you had access to the entire facility. They had a

459
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Speaker 5: catwalk wrapped around this thing. It was about forty feet

460
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Speaker 5: in diameter. It had nine opaque, elliptically shaped windows wrapped

461
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Speaker 5: around the outer circumference. This thing was highly polish reflective exterior.

462
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: There were no visible means of propulsion, no rivets, no welds,

463
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Speaker 5: no socketthead capstrews, no he's head capscrews. He said that

464
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Speaker 5: there was the absolute finest outline of an entryway hatch

465
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Speaker 5: on the bottom of the craft. You could not put

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Speaker 5: a razor blade into that hatch. It was like a

467
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Speaker 5: liquid metal hatchway that was embedded into the craft, just

468
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Speaker 5: like the granite and limestone blocks of the Giza Plateau

469
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Speaker 5: where you could not put a razor blade between those either.

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Speaker 5: That's what he mentioned that personally, so he's guarding this craft.

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Speaker 5: He also said that there was a one inch lip

472
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Speaker 5: between the outer skin of the craft itself and the

473
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Speaker 5: outer portion of these windows. There was definitely a little

474
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Speaker 5: lip that you could feel with your thumb. Now, there

475
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Speaker 5: was one time where he was left alone by himself

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Speaker 5: with this craft. He brought in a small Minx camera

477
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 5: and he took a photograph of this thing. That photograph

478
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Speaker 5: was lost in a flood back in nineteen eighty three.

479
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Speaker 5: We were this close of getting this photograph of this craft.

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Speaker 5: It would have been a huge thing. And on the

481
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Speaker 5: very last day he was there, he saw them lifting

482
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Speaker 5: the craft off of its scaffolding. It was being put

483
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Speaker 5: on an eighteen wheeler tractor trailer, lowboy truck. They were

484
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Speaker 5: covering it with tarps and moving it to the next location.

485
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Speaker 5: So what they've done for decades here is they compartmentalize

486
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: the information and they moved the assets from one resource

487
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: area to the next, and that's how they keep it

488
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Speaker 5: under wrapped. So in a nutshell, that is the nineteen

489
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Speaker 5: sixty three US Marine case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that one had the scaffolding around the ship.

491
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Speaker 4: It wasn't it true that they would have people there

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Speaker 4: that had orders to shoot to kill if you were

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Speaker 4: within a certain distance from the craft.

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Speaker 5: Right, he was given those orders directly.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Wow, there was a white circle painted on the floor

497
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Speaker 5: and his job was to shoot anyone who breached that circle.

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Speaker 5: So it was absolutely his job. And you know, I've

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Speaker 5: got an original sketch from this marine. This is not

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Speaker 5: a copy. This is like an original sketch. And what

501
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Speaker 5: he describes in the sketch is overhead lighting on either side,

502
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Speaker 5: shining down at a forty five degree angle. The whole

503
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 5: place was excruciatingly well lit. That's talked about in many

504
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 5: other retrieval cases. He's got the pads below the craft.

505
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 5: He's got the portion where they're using a diamond tip drill.

506
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 5: Bit in the notes he talks about a laser incident

507
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 5: where after the acetylene torches failed, they brought in a laser.

508
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 5: They shine this laser on the craft. It reflected, bounced

509
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 5: off and damaged a ceiling tile that was talked about

510
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: in there. So we have about five pages of original

511
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Speaker 5: notes from this guy that Leonard had talked to him.

512
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Speaker 5: And then a man named Michael Johnstone why I got

513
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: to do about a two hour videotape interview. He described

514
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 5: meeting with this gentleman as well. So we've got some

515
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: pretty good paperwork to back this up.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome. And like you said, you know, when you

517
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 4: tell someone you have ordered shoot to kill if you

518
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 4: get near this thing, it must be something of importance, right.

519
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 4: Also like there were these newspaper reports in that era,

520
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: or maybe it's a little later sixty seventies, where we

521
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: had servicemen who said they were instructed to shoot them down,

522
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 4: shoot down UFOs. And of course this is interesting because

523
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: once again, if there's nothing there and UFOs don't exist

524
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 4: according to our government, then what are these guys supposed

525
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: to be ordered to shoot down? Right?

526
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that order was given in the early nineteen fifties

527
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: fifty one, fifty two to fifty three timeframe, and absolutely

528
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 5: correct newspaper clippings, literally dozens and dozens of those clippings

529
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 5: where they were ordered to shoot these things down. And

530
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 5: then we've got a report from a US military officer

531
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Speaker 5: who's mentioned in the book, where he was at a

532
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Speaker 5: CLII five materials library. He had the correct security clearance

533
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: to get to be there. He opened up a file cabinet,

534
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 5: opened up one of these Manila folders, looked inside, and

535
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 5: there was a report on crash retrievals, and they used

536
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 5: the term crashes more than one. They also talked about bodies,

537
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: and they talked about a craft that came down very

538
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 5: near Farmington, New Mexico, that was thirty six feet in diameter,

539
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 5: had a low rise dome, it had porthole windows wrapped

540
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 5: around the outer circumference of the upper dome, and then

541
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 5: said that there was a quarter size hull that they

542
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 5: were able to get access to some of the interior,

543
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 5: and they were also using additional diamond tip drill bits

544
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 5: to get into that one as well. So here's we

545
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Speaker 5: got three cases now these diamond tip drill bits being used.

546
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Speaker 4: It's interesting to me how you had said earlier that

547
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: you felt that these crafts, some of these craft were

548
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: not ours. Let's say that right. It's interesting that we

549
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: have these craft, we have these stories of this craft,

550
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: and then we also do have some military documentation of

551
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: people who have worked on these craft and saw these

552
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: craft and the fact that it kind of sinks up

553
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: does strengthen the case.

554
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely absolutely. When you look at the common denominator,

555
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 5: when you look at the repeating patterns, and this goes

556
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 5: for not only crash re triebles, but the historical UFO

557
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 5: cases as well. Give you a couple examples. So we've

558
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: got nineteen eighty nine nineteen ninety, which is the Belgium triangle,

559
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 5: where we've got about five thousand eyewitnesses that reported a

560
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 5: massive triangular, black shaped craft bought the size of a

561
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 5: football field, having one light at each corner, one amber

562
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: light in the center, and then tubes, pipes and cylinders

563
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 5: on the bottom of the craft. Now we go back

564
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: in time to nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty nine

565
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 5: with the Hudson Valley boomerang, but also got reports of tubes,

566
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 5: pipes and cylinders on that. And then we go to

567
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: two thousand January fifth, two thousand with the Southern Illinois

568
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: Triangle case, where we've got at least five police officers

569
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 5: describing what look like mechanical structure and stacked legos on

570
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: the bottom of these craft. And these these are separated

571
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 5: by decades here, and they're describing similar understructure on the

572
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: bottom of these vehicles.

573
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: Michael, we've been talking about these cases. Let's move on

574
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: for a minute here to some of this black program

575
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: stuff that you're also involved in. I know you have

576
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: worked with different people in different areas of classified black programs,

577
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 4: including Air Force pilots, retired Navy personnel, aerospace engineers. These

578
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,239
Speaker 4: guys have maintained a top secret clearance. What is your

579
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: takeaway with your interaction with these guys.

580
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 5: All I would have to say is that you know,

581
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 5: these are American heroes. We want to respect their privacy,

582
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: We want to respect things that are still within line

583
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: of their NDA. So I don't want to push the

584
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: envelope with them. But if you look at the Bill

585
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: Scott collection, who is the former head of Rocky Mountain,

586
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 5: editor of Aviation Week Space Technology, who was probably closer

587
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 5: to the Black World than any Bill Scott got closer

588
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: than anyone because he had developed relationships with people who

589
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 5: worked in the defense contractor industry, people who worked at

590
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: Air Force Plant forty two, or who worked on the

591
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 5: final assembly line of the B two stealth bomber at

592
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Speaker 5: the Northrop facility at Air Force Plant forty two. These

593
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 5: are the kind of people that he was dealing with.

594
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: Well over this sixteen year period. He kept getting these

595
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 5: reports of this two staged orbit space plane system. It's

596
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: always been rumored that there's something out there, something that

597
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 5: would replace the Blackbird, something that would be a two

598
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 5: staged to orbit space plane system that could be anywhere

599
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 5: in the world in less than two hours. It's always

600
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 5: been rumored. But then when you start looking at the

601
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: eyewitness testimony, there's newspaper clippings about people who've seen this

602
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 5: thing flying over. It all boiled down to a man

603
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: named James Petty who was living in Utah at the time,

604
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 5: Salt Lake City. He's the only witness that saw both

605
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 5: the mothership and the parasitic air prep at the same time.

606
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 5: And when Bill Scott got that testimony from him, he said,

607
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 5: you know what, We're going to go to press and

608
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 5: they went with that story. That was essentially Bill's final

609
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 5: article for Aviation Weeks based Technology before he retired. And

610
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 5: what they described is and this is a multitude of witnesses,

611
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: is something that looked like the sixties XB seventy, this

612
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 5: absolutely massive mothership.

613
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: We're going to have to take a break there. When

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Speaker 4: we come back, we're going to talk more about this

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Speaker 4: with Michael. He also does a lot of work with

616
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Speaker 4: the black programs and how that whole thing works within

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Speaker 4: our government. We'll talk about that and more with Michael

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653
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Speaker 4: and being of alien origin. That's very compelling as well.

654
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there was a design behind it. It has

655
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: canards up front. It has a pilot, copilot and launch

656
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 5: control officer, and that's the liaison between the mothership and

657
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 5: the parasitic aircraft. It's got sixteen foot tall winglets at

658
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 5: the end of the delta wings. It's got very similar

659
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 5: air intake to the XB seventy. It's got six pack

660
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 5: YJ ninety three engines in the back because I've got witnesses.

661
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: I spoke to three people personally who have seen this

662
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 5: with their own eyes, and what they describe is on

663
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 5: the bottom of the mother ship, it looks like someone

664
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 5: took an ice cream scooper and just started scooping out

665
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 5: the entire bottom of the aircraft, leaving this cavity, this

666
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 5: empty cavity. So at Area fifty one, you'd have this

667
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 5: parasitic aircraft that tucks up inside this cavity. And let's

668
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: say that there's something going on in the Middle East,

669
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 5: so you'd have one of our top pilots get into

670
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 5: the parasitic aircraft. They'd take off from Area fifty one.

671
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 5: They'd fly over Alaska, they make a left hand turn.

672
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 5: Now they're heading toward the Soviet Union, and then they

673
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 5: would drop from the mothership at maybe thirty thousand feet

674
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 5: at Mock one point two, and then they'd pour the

675
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 5: coals to this thing I'm talking about Mocked twelve, and

676
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: they'd be screaming over the Soviet Union to make a

677
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: left hand turn. Now they're going south toward the Middle East,

678
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 5: and this could be a nuclear radiation proliferation monitoring craft.

679
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 5: They make a left hand turn now they're heading toward Hawaii.

680
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 5: They make about a forty five degree turn back to

681
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: Hawaii and all done in less than two hours. This

682
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 5: is called the black Star system. This is a real program.

683
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 5: It did not work as well as they liked it too,

684
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 5: so they shelved it and somewhere out there I can't

685
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 5: tell you where, probably at Area fifty one, there is

686
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 5: this massive mothership and this parasitic aircraft. It's still out there.

687
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: It sounds like an airship carrier. Is pretty for one aircraft, Yes, yeah,

688
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: I call it that. Yeah, pretty amazing. And it just

689
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: shows you if we're able to build something like that,

690
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 4: you would think would be able to have a lot

691
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: more than people are aware of.

692
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 5: Oh, there's no doubt. At the very minimum, there are

693
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 5: six man classified programs still left over from the Reagan

694
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 5: administration that has not even seen the light of day.

695
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 5: They are in dark storage. They are deep storage right now,

696
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: dead storage, probably at the test site. They probably have

697
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: some things at Edwards North based complex underground. We're not

698
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: going to see them. We may never see them. That's

699
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 5: the tragedy.

700
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 4: Well, I have heard this. You're the guy to ask

701
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: this question and maybe you'll you'll dispel this for me.

702
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: I had heard at one point that by the time

703
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: we see a craft, it's obsolete. So like when we

704
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 4: saw the stealth bomber and we thought, oh wow, they've

705
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 4: already had that for twenty years and it's obsolete to them,

706
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: so they don't mind showing us.

707
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 5: I would agree with that, because what we're dealing with

708
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 5: here are three tiers of technology. Tier one is your common, ordinary,

709
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 5: garden variety, vanilla flavored aircraft, like your F fifteen's, your

710
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 5: F sixteen's, and your F fourteen's, which are retired. That's

711
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 5: that's tier number one.

712
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: It wouldn't be a black budget program, it would be correct.

713
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, these are things that you'd see at your local

714
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: air show. That's tier number one. Now Tier number two

715
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: is the previously black programs that have been declassified and

716
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: put into the white world. These are your F one

717
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 5: seventeen stealth Fighters, your B two stealth bombers, Boeing Fantomworks,

718
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 5: Bird of Prey, all in the museum now, I mean,

719
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 5: you can go see these things.

720
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: They're there.

721
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 5: So these are previously black programs that went into the

722
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 5: white world. Now that's tier two. Tier three are the

723
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: craft that bypass the accepted laws of physics. They don't

724
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: have anything to do with Newtonian physics. So we have

725
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 5: to start throwing out Newtonian physics and start thinking more

726
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 5: along the lines of another type of physics, quantum physics,

727
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 5: things that almost defy reality.

728
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 4: Here.

729
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 5: These are your Black triangles, Belgium triangles. These are your

730
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 5: Hudson Valley boomerangs, these are your Southern Illinois triangle January

731
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: fifty two thousand. All the other craft that have been

732
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 5: reverse engineered from recovered technology that falls into the category,

733
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 5: those are the things that I like to focus on.

734
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 5: It's the level three, the Tier three aircraft.

735
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: Well, if you think a lot of these crash retrievals

736
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: from UFOs have been captured by us, do you think

737
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: many of these that you're referring to now this tier

738
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: could be backward engineered from off world craft.

739
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And not only that is because you know, this

740
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 5: story is a lot more sinister than I like to

741
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 5: go down. I'm really about the hardware. I don't really

742
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: focus in all the inner workings of political aspects and

743
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 5: dealing with people in government and everything and the sinister

744
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 5: intelligence community. I mean, it's all part of this big story.

745
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 5: But it's very clear at this point that what has

746
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 5: been going on is that there's a roague group within

747
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 5: the military industrial complex slash intelligence community that are targeting, tracking,

748
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 5: and shooting these vehicles down to exploit two things. Number one,

749
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 5: their free energy propulsion systems.

750
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: That's one.

751
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 5: Number two is their weapons advanced technology. And they will

752
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 5: stop at nothing to get those two things figured out.

753
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: At nothing, So they're piggybacking on pre existing radar systems,

754
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 5: using scaler weapons directed energy weapons to target, track, and

755
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 5: shoot these things down.

756
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: So you're not saying these are necessarily crashes, they are

757
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 4: in fact being shut down.

758
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 5: This is purposely done. Yes, purposely done.

759
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the ones that are crashing. You know,

760
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 4: the skeptics will say, how come they can make it

761
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: all the way across light years of space and then

762
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 4: they get here and they crash in roswell because it's

763
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: raining outside.

764
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 5: There's no way you're going to have an advanced civilization

765
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 5: that might be one hundred million light years away and

766
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 5: they're going to come through gravity wells. They're going to

767
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 5: come through quirks, they're going to come through quasars, they're

768
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 5: going to come from different black holes and then they

769
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 5: finally get here and crash. It absolutely doesn't make sense whatsoever.

770
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 5: I think the numbers are showing that a vast majority

771
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 5: of these things are actually shut down a little bit

772
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 5: harder to prove, but I think we could have some

773
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 5: of those instances as well, where they're hand me downs.

774
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting is we often hear about sightings,

775
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: and we often hear about crashes, even crash retrievals, but

776
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: I don't I call hearing hardly at all about eyewitness

777
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 4: accounts of a UFO being shot down. You would think

778
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 4: that would be pretty dramatic and people would see it.

779
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 5: These things can materialize and de materialize at will, and

780
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 5: the second they de materialize into this dimension, they're already

781
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 5: hit with one of these directed energy weapons, so it's instantaneous.

782
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 5: You look at all the witnesses within Night Siege that

783
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 5: was written, all of them describe nighttime sightings like ninety

784
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 5: nine percent of them and above. So why weren't they

785
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 5: seen during the day? Because someone is flying these things

786
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 5: at night for a certain agenda.

787
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: Your other book, you talked about different ways people could

788
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 4: tell the difference between a man made UFO and a

789
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: non man made UFO, and what are those.

790
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 5: Tested on Thursday nights? So that's number one. Why Thursday,

791
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 5: because Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is pre flight, Thursday is the

792
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 5: test flight, Friday's debrief, Saturday Sunday. There's nobody at the

793
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 5: base now that held up between the early nineteen eighties

794
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 5: up till around nineteen ninety five time frame. After that,

795
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 5: they test these things on Saturdays, and they test these

796
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 5: things on holidays. If you see tubes, pipes and cylinders,

797
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: that could be one of ours. If you see socket

798
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 5: head capscrews, if you see weld marks, if you see

799
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 5: the falling leaf phenomenon, it could be one of ours.

800
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: Because a lot of these times, when you have a

801
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 5: man made craft and it's in a localized gravity field,

802
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 5: they need time to spool up and get stabilized first.

803
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 5: Until that happens, you've got this falling leaf phenomenon. If

804
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 5: you hear a high pitched drilling noise prior to takeoff

805
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 5: or on approach to landing, it could be one of ours.

806
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 5: If you see lights flashing in sequence, like reds go off,

807
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 5: yellows go off, greens go off in sequenced and then

808
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 5: in a repeating pattern, it's most likely one of ours,

809
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 5: and even nobody less than Stanton Friedman. He talked about quote,

810
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 5: wings on an extraterrestrial spacecraft could only be for decoration.

811
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 5: So if you see a flying wing out there, why

812
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 5: do you need wings in a vacuum? It doesn't make

813
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 5: any sense. So even Stanton Freeman knew that we're dealing

814
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 5: with a man made technology here.

815
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: Thank you, brother. That was really good stuff.

816
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 5: Man, great, great to be with you.

817
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: I really appreciate all the hard research you do. I

818
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: think you're a very valuable member of our community and

819
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: we really really appreciate your work. You guys should go

820
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: to Michael's YouTube page and check out all of his videos.

821
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: He's got a lot of in detail accounts of different

822
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: historic crash retrieval cases and it's fascinating. Thank you for

823
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be back next week with

824
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,439
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825
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,759
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826
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827
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829
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Speaker 5: Mm hmm