WEBVTT - #543 Jason Flom with Jonathan Parker

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<v Speaker 1>On April ninth, nineteen ninety seven, sometime before one am,

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<v Speaker 1>two Buffalo police officers were shot, one in the ankle

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<v Speaker 1>while the other was killed. The surviving officer gave a

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<v Speaker 1>description that was echoed by two others, a light skinned

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<v Speaker 1>mail about five to nine in dark clothing. That morning,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly a half mile from the scene, police found some

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<v Speaker 1>personal effects belonging to Jonathan Parker, a local young man

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<v Speaker 1>with a criminal record who was in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>fighting another case. And even though Jonathan didn't match the description,

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<v Speaker 1>he was identified by three alleged eyewitnesses, while the surviving

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<v Speaker 1>officer would not join them. This is wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, y'all, it's Maggie. I'm here to tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>series about the murder of a young mom in Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>and just how far our legal system will go in

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<v Speaker 2>order to find someone to blame. Here is the trailer

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<v Speaker 2>for Graves County.

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<v Speaker 1>All I know is what I've been told, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>a half truth, is a whole lie.

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<v Speaker 2>For almost a decade, the murder of an eighteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 2>went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>we know, we know a story that law enforcement used

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<v Speaker 2>to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator

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<v Speaker 2>on national TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give

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<v Speaker 3>justice to Jessica Current.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning

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<v Speaker 2>were that easy to find.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not know her, and I did not kill her,

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<v Speaker 4>or raid or burn or any of that other stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that y'all said.

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<v Speaker 5>They literally made me say that I took a match

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<v Speaker 5>and struck and threw it on her. They made me

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<v Speaker 5>say that I wore guests on.

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<v Speaker 2>Her from Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a

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<v Speaker 2>show about just how far our legal system will go

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<v Speaker 2>in order to find someone to blame MARKA.

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<v Speaker 4>Y'all gotta work the hell up. Bad things happens to

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<v Speaker 4>good people and small towns.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction, where we've got a story

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<v Speaker 1>that's been on our radar and living rent free in

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<v Speaker 1>my head since we interviewed Keyante Rix back in the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of twenty twenty, and we've held back on it

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<v Speaker 1>as we were waiting for the case to make its

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<v Speaker 1>way through court. But we can't wait any longer, So

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<v Speaker 1>calling in now from a prison in upstate New York,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got the man himself, Jonathan Parker. Thank you for calling.

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<v Speaker 4>In, Jonathan, no problem, I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>And joining him. We have the paralegal who worked on

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<v Speaker 1>Kanty Rix's case, Carl Deviver, and well, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>link Kyante's story in the episode description. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>hear it to believe it. Carl, Thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for being somebody willing to do something to help Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 1>And Carl didn't start out as a paralegal.

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<v Speaker 5>I had been a police offer shake twenty seven years.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't like what I saw wrongfully convicted people riding

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<v Speaker 5>away in jail for crime. So I did not commit

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<v Speaker 5>and felt that I should use what energy I have

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<v Speaker 5>to try to seek vindication. So I studied law and

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<v Speaker 5>switched into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, we have Jonathan's attorney, Stephen Metcalf. Stephen, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>being here absolutely. So let's start by hearing about Jonathan's

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<v Speaker 1>childhood in Buffalo. How was it growing up there?

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<v Speaker 4>I grew up on the east side of Buffalo, the Projects,

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<v Speaker 4>about the age of seven or eight years old. About

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<v Speaker 4>the purchase the house which was three blocks away from

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<v Speaker 4>the projects. At the age of about unteen or fourteen,

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<v Speaker 4>I started getting into problems in school. Maybe no disruptive

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<v Speaker 4>in class. I didn't get into too many fights, just

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<v Speaker 4>you know, general things that teenage boys do. So they're

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<v Speaker 4>sitting to was known as Buffalo Alternative School, into more

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<v Speaker 4>trouble and I was placed in a group of homes

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<v Speaker 4>was known as Lincoln Hall from fifteen to sixteen. After

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<v Speaker 4>being released from Lincoln Hall again went to Buffalo Tournative

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<v Speaker 4>High School. Once you do a lot of times, you

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<v Speaker 4>returned to a normal high school of South Park High

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<v Speaker 4>School didn't want to accept me because I was a

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<v Speaker 4>year behind the man and I kind of dropped out

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<v Speaker 4>of high school, at which point I got involved in

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<v Speaker 4>quote unquote the street life.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone ever wanted to know what the praise school

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<v Speaker 1>to prison pipeline means, it sounds like Jonathan is the

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<v Speaker 1>living proof of it. During the crack epidemic, no less,

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<v Speaker 1>and this area in East Buffalo, specifically on Gerard Place,

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<v Speaker 1>was an open air drug market which came along with

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<v Speaker 1>extreme poverty and occasional bursts of violence.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a violent period of the city of Buffalo.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of crime, young men involved in the street life,

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<v Speaker 4>shooting at each other, Southern crack, coquaine, marijuana, things of

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<v Speaker 4>that nature. The police just because they see you on

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<v Speaker 4>the street, young guys know they would pick you up,

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<v Speaker 4>shake you down. And I was long to frequent that neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as we all know, the crack epidemic ushered in

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<v Speaker 1>so called tough on crime policies and politicians and legislation

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<v Speaker 1>that instituted mandatory minimum sentences, funded task forces in the

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<v Speaker 1>so called high traffic areas, and any means necessary attitude

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<v Speaker 1>toward removing anyone they suspected of being involved in drug trafficking.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time I investigator speak to anybody about this, they've

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<v Speaker 3>said the same thing. Jonathan Parker was someone who they

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<v Speaker 3>wanted off the streets by any means. Apparently that meant

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<v Speaker 3>to them at this time, and.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've seen, that could mean framing someone for murder.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first attempt on Jonathan came within January nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven murder of a man named Leroy Lewis.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to this defendant of Pella. Jonathan Parker was convicted

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<v Speaker 3>in the US District Court for the Western District of

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<v Speaker 3>New York of killing Leroy Lewis while engaged in a

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracy to possess with intended distribute crack. On appeal, Parker

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<v Speaker 3>challenges the sufficiency of the government's evidence. The government produced

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<v Speaker 3>no direct or physical evidence establishing Parker as the shooter,

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<v Speaker 3>no eyewitness testimony to the shooting, any statements concerning the

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<v Speaker 3>circumstances of the shooting. No evidence was introduced as the motive,

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<v Speaker 3>no murder weapon was found. The government's evidence was entirely circumstantial.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a statement base upon a statement upon a statement,

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<v Speaker 3>but nothing to tie Jonathan to the murder other than

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<v Speaker 3>lay opinion testimony. Specifically, whether a small bulge in Parker's

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<v Speaker 3>jacket viewed from a distance was a handgun, and hey,

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<v Speaker 3>he looked a little suspicious after the fact. Basically, Jonathan

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<v Speaker 3>got convicted and they didn't have shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So that conviction was overturned in two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 1>But they had already buried Jonathan with two other sentences,

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<v Speaker 1>only one of which was based in fact, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a weapons possession charge. And the same officers who were

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<v Speaker 1>shot in this case, they were the ones who arrested

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan and he pleaded guilty.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I have played guilty to the weapons possessor's charges.

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<v Speaker 4>You no more than a three and a half to

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<v Speaker 4>nine sentence. I believe it might have been that morning

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<v Speaker 4>from an interview with that with a probation officer to

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<v Speaker 4>do a probation report to prepare it for my centisces.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jonathan had this probation officer's business card in his

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<v Speaker 1>jacket that night, which he wore to a party which

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<v Speaker 1>was about a five minute walk from the crime scene

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, but according to both Jonathan and witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>from the party, he had left his jacket, his hat,

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<v Speaker 1>and his beeper at the party before leaving.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, I left the resident in a cab with my

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<v Speaker 4>cousin to my home with the attention of returning to

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<v Speaker 4>the resident. I never returned to the residents because I

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<v Speaker 4>was supposed to be meeting up with a young woman.

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<v Speaker 4>So my cousin left and I came to our house

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<v Speaker 4>around the corner from this in a cab. When I'm

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<v Speaker 4>pulling up in a cab, they literally are scolar in

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<v Speaker 4>the neighborhood. She got in the cab and we went

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<v Speaker 4>back to my own.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time he was picking up this young lady

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<v Speaker 1>around one am, the shooting had already occurred near the

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<v Speaker 1>corner of Northampton and East Parade now. According to Officer

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Martinez, at around twelve forty five am, he and

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<v Speaker 1>his partner, Charles Skip McDougall spotted a suspicious individual who

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<v Speaker 1>they believed might have stolen a car.

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<v Speaker 5>They say when they hailed this person that he simply

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<v Speaker 5>opened fire on them, hit the one in the foot,

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<v Speaker 5>and then shot McDougall and killed him.

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<v Speaker 4>Martinez he actually gave the initial description in it. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a light skinned male of proximmand five nine of maybe

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<v Speaker 4>a shade removed from being darve skinned for sure of

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<v Speaker 4>nowhere near five. I'm five six and a half and.

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Martinez knew what Jonathan looked like from prior arrests,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can only presume that he would have interested

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<v Speaker 1>in catching his own shooter. Right. And two more witnesses,

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<v Speaker 1>James Gaines and Event Pryor, agreed this shooter was a

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<v Speaker 1>light skinned guy about five foot nine, and they added

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<v Speaker 1>that he wore dark clothing and white sneakers, and they

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<v Speaker 1>said he had run up East Parade toward Fujuran. So

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<v Speaker 1>police scoured the area looking for someone meeting that description,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as witnesses and evidence. And it appears that

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative about Jonathan may have begun to emerge with

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery of his jacket, hat and beeper, the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that he left at the party.

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<v Speaker 4>They say they found in a backyard. So May the

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<v Speaker 4>District Attorney had a witness said that maybe an hour

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<v Speaker 4>or two prior to this incident, that I was in

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<v Speaker 4>a house full of people and then I left out

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<v Speaker 4>of the house, leaving my jacket in that house and

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<v Speaker 4>never returned. The house was located near the corner of

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<v Speaker 4>Fugean and Fillmore, unless they founded in a backyard on

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<v Speaker 4>the next street over from fuge which is oben Well.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has offered information about how these items left

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<v Speaker 1>the house party, but Jonathan's probation officer's business card was

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<v Speaker 1>inside the jacket. At this point, it seems the investigation

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<v Speaker 1>steered away from whoever Officer Martinez, James Gaines, and Yvette

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<v Speaker 1>Fryar had described and focused in on Jonathan, who had

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<v Speaker 1>just pled guilty. The weapons charges and the Leroy Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>charges were still looming.

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<v Speaker 5>I have several cases like that where they say, he's

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<v Speaker 5>a nasty street kid, let's get him off the streets.

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<v Speaker 5>We know he didn't kill Skip, but he's a trouble

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<v Speaker 5>let's get him off the streets.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually remember, ironically, I was sitting in the house

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<v Speaker 4>with one of my cousins and we were watching the

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<v Speaker 4>news when they first booke about the incident, and my

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<v Speaker 4>cousin made it common to the extent of, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>she felt sorry for whoever they ended up picking up

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<v Speaker 4>for this because of the climate of things in Buffalo

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<v Speaker 4>just prior to this, I want to say, maybe within

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<v Speaker 4>a year, so a year and a half half, it

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<v Speaker 4>has so where young black males were still being ended

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<v Speaker 4>plice to call.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they were going to get Jonathan, they needed

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more than just finding his belongings nearly a

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<v Speaker 1>half a mile away from the crime scene. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was at this time that lead investigator Andre Ortiz approached

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<v Speaker 1>another man known to frequent the open air drug market. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy was named Aaron Yarborough, and he was known

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<v Speaker 1>to sell random items, and according to subsequent statements, he

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<v Speaker 1>had told them that he was in the pharmacy on

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<v Speaker 1>Northampton and Fillmore when he heard the gunshots. But something

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<v Speaker 1>which we're going to get into later led him to

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<v Speaker 1>tell a very different story on April tenth.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a statement that he gave to the police

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, and anytime he refers to Parker, he

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<v Speaker 3>calls him Face. Well, I was on the corner of

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<v Speaker 3>Northampton in East Parade when I had seen Face Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked him if he wanted to buy a CD player.

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<v Speaker 3>He said yeah, but the price that we talked about

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to fulfill. So I went up East Parade.

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<v Speaker 3>We seen Junior sitting in a white Chevy Caprice and

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<v Speaker 3>he agreed to one hundred dollars. So this is a

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<v Speaker 3>CD player and he paid me the money and then

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<v Speaker 3>I went down the street towards Northampton and East Parade

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<v Speaker 3>where I heard some shots when I had seen face

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<v Speaker 3>ran past me holding a gun at his side.

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<v Speaker 4>Soon after that, I've seen my picture on the news

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<v Speaker 4>saying that I was assister. So I got in contact

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<v Speaker 4>with Tourny Paul Hermy, and he didn't have much detail.

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<v Speaker 4>It forged me to turn myself in.

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<v Speaker 6>If I had nothing to high, but I didn't have

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<v Speaker 6>anything now, so I asked him to come pick me

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<v Speaker 6>up and take me to turn myself in. I was

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<v Speaker 6>arrested April eleventh, nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 4>Seven, and I've been in prison ever since.

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<v Speaker 3>At approximately twenty fifteen hours on April eighteen, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron Yarborough stated that himself and Jonathan Parker were outside

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<v Speaker 3>his uncle's house on Josephine Street when the police raided it.

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<v Speaker 3>Jonathan Parker pointed to officer McDougall and stated, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>guy who arrested me for the gun. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>get that motherfucker. So they used Aaron to basically show

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<v Speaker 3>a history or a motive.

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<v Speaker 7>Here.

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<v Speaker 3>April twenty second, Aaron Yarborough was put into a Buffalo

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<v Speaker 3>Hilton Hotel, Room two ten. This is a guy who's

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<v Speaker 3>selling CD players walking down the street now is getting

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<v Speaker 3>put up in a hotel for who knows how long

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<v Speaker 3>to make a very easy statement.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what we'll find out this It was far

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<v Speaker 1>better treatment than he was originally offered, but a few

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<v Speaker 1>statements from a guy with substance abuse issues is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to cut it. So on April twenty eighth, police

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<v Speaker 1>approached Aaron Lott and his wife Cassandra Salinas, who had

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<v Speaker 1>an encounter with officers MacDougall and Martinez on the night

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<v Speaker 1>of April eighth.

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<v Speaker 7>Ten forty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron Lott is sitting in a parking lot with our

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<v Speaker 3>driver's license while Cassandra's in work. He gets a ticket,

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<v Speaker 3>the car gets impounded. McDougal and Martinez are the officers

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<v Speaker 3>on that ticket and on the impound documentation. Cassandra gets

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<v Speaker 3>out of work at about eleven fifteen. Her and Aaron

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<v Speaker 3>then make their way to the police precinct. Then they

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<v Speaker 3>never actually got the car back that night.

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<v Speaker 1>However, it was stated in a report that officer Martinez

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<v Speaker 1>had recognized Lot and Selinas as they passed each other

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<v Speaker 1>on Northampton Street moments before the shooting because they were

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<v Speaker 1>in the same car in which Lot had been ticket earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>This is allegedly how they knew to approach Lot for

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<v Speaker 1>a statement. But as the narrative goes, Aaron and Cassandra,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a driver passed the scene in a

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<v Speaker 1>Ford Explorer, not a Hyundai Excel, and to top it off,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ford Explorer had tinted windows. It's only discovered many

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<v Speaker 1>years later that Aaron Lott was exchanging testimony for leniency

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<v Speaker 1>in his own charges. You probably saw that coming. Nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>he gave a statement nineteen days after the crime that

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<v Speaker 1>as they rolled down Northampton, he and Cassandra saw Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the street. He yelled yo to the car as

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<v Speaker 1>they passed, and they turned around to witness the shooting

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<v Speaker 1>through the Explorer's back window.

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<v Speaker 5>And the driver of the truck. He was never called.

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<v Speaker 5>We presume that since the cops had no hold on him,

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<v Speaker 5>it wasn't facing anything, they wouldn't testify. It might even

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<v Speaker 5>be a Brady issue. We don't know what he originally

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<v Speaker 5>told the cops. We just know he never testified.

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<v Speaker 4>All the witnesses aged some type of ulterior motive, with

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<v Speaker 4>the exception.

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<v Speaker 5>Of Aaron Lotte's wife. She basically agreed with what said

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<v Speaker 5>the storers lined up very well because it was orchestrated, with.

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<v Speaker 1>The community and media calling for blood, and the context

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<v Speaker 1>of Jonathan's weapon's possession, guilty plea and other pending murder case.

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<v Speaker 1>The district attorney sought the death penalty, and as we

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<v Speaker 1>often see in capital cases, a ton of circumstantial evidence

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<v Speaker 1>is produced to try to ensure a win, but without

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<v Speaker 1>the support of a relatively small amount of consequential direct evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstantial evidence tends to lose its meaning. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>there was James Gaines and Evette Fryar who echoed Officer

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<v Speaker 1>Martinez's description and confirmed that the assailant ran in the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of where Jonathan's belongings were discovered, granting that evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of validity. And then along came Aaron Yarborough, without the

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<v Speaker 1>critically important context of how his statement came to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be, He said that just prior to this incident that

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<v Speaker 4>he was attempted to sell me. I believe you said

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<v Speaker 4>it was some CDs and I don't even think I

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<v Speaker 4>had seen him that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yarborough also said that he saw Jonathan running from the

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<v Speaker 1>scene with a gun in the direction of where police

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<v Speaker 1>found his belongings. Again granting a cent of validity to

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<v Speaker 1>that evidence, and then, unbeknownst to the defense, Aaron Lott

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<v Speaker 1>was trading testimony for a time cut when he parroted

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<v Speaker 1>what he'd already said in his statement and the grand

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<v Speaker 1>jury then Cassandra bolstered his credibility with what they claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to see while being driven down Northampton that same night.

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<v Speaker 4>There was the driver, which I'm still confused as to

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<v Speaker 4>why he was never called to testify, other than maybe

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that he wasn't being cooperative like Aaron Yardborough

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<v Speaker 4>and air a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot, or maybe he didn't actually exist also possible. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the police officer Michael Martinez testified to the narrative of

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting, but would not positively I d Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 5>He wasn't sure that it was Parker. Even on the stands,

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<v Speaker 5>he wouldn't lie and say it was definitely Parker. It

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<v Speaker 5>could have been Parker. So he's he's one of the

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<v Speaker 5>not willing to totally perjure himself cops.

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<v Speaker 1>And Martinez was cross examined with his initial description.

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<v Speaker 4>I was positive I was going to get acquitted. I

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<v Speaker 4>know I have anything to do with it, and how

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<v Speaker 4>already came into the prison system for my other weapon

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<v Speaker 4>possessed his charges. But I was confident I was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be leaving out of that court room to finish

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<v Speaker 4>my censes and eventually be home to my family.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe he would have, but it seems like his attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Harrington, didn't want to take that gamble, so in closing,

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<v Speaker 1>he tried a strategy that was not aimed at acquittal.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the opposite.

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<v Speaker 5>Harrington was a death penalty attorney, and he said so

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<v Speaker 5>in his affidavit that his job was not so much

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<v Speaker 5>as to acquit Jonathan, but to keep him alive. So

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<v Speaker 5>trying to create sympathy or pity from the jury, He said,

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<v Speaker 5>Jonathan did it, but it was in the spur of

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<v Speaker 5>the moment. He didn't plan on doing it, which is all. Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>he never did it at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I made him very weird that I was innocent of

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<v Speaker 4>this crime. I'm sitting in the courtroom and it was

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<v Speaker 4>only by sheer will that I did act a fool.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time, my defense wasn't a defense geared towards

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<v Speaker 4>guilty innocence. It was geared towards life with death. I've

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<v Speaker 4>got life without the possibility of growl, which is just death.

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<v Speaker 4>By incarcerations. I've had close to thirty years to think

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<v Speaker 4>about it. But when you go back to the initial description,

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<v Speaker 4>you have a police officer, who we know are trained observers,

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<v Speaker 4>who said that the perpetrator in his crime was a

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<v Speaker 4>liceicined bail five nine and these are things that are

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<v Speaker 4>reasonable tryer in fact, when you say, okay, you got

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<v Speaker 4>a young man sitting in the court room in front

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<v Speaker 4>of you who is maybe a shade removed from being

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<v Speaker 4>darb skinned, but three or four shades removed from being licekined.

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<v Speaker 4>And again, like I said, I'm five to six maybe

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<v Speaker 4>five six and a half. Then we go back to

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<v Speaker 4>Latina's being shot on the passenger side of the car,

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<v Speaker 4>but the suspect shooting from the driver side of the car.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand how person gets shot in the ankle.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you're saying you found a weapon that's who alleged

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<v Speaker 4>that have been used in this incident at the nine

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<v Speaker 4>milimeter seventeen clock, which is the exact same weapons that

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<v Speaker 4>police officers are issued to carry when they all duty.

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<v Speaker 5>The street version is that McDougal didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 5>dirty anymore. Everybody spoken to says that the cops killed

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<v Speaker 5>Skip because he wanted to go clean and they were

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<v Speaker 5>afraid he'd reveal their antics, so they killed them. Allegedly,

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<v Speaker 5>they took their time getting to the hospital to make

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<v Speaker 5>sure Skip was dead allegedly, but before.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl spoke to anyone, Jonathan did his direct appeal, subsequent appeal,

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<v Speaker 1>and federal havias, which took about twelve years to finally

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<v Speaker 1>all be denied. Twelve long years, during which time the

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<v Speaker 1>lead investigator on this case, Detective Andrea Ortiz, was himself

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<v Speaker 1>arrest in connection with his involvement with a local drug

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<v Speaker 1>trafficking organization headed by an individual named Frankie Johnson.

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<v Speaker 3>Detective or Ties in the Western District of New York

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<v Speaker 3>took a play on a two thousand and four case. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this plea agreement is ten pages. This was the most

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<v Speaker 3>substantive document that I could find with regards to this case,

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<v Speaker 3>because everything else I searched for was under seal, and

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<v Speaker 3>the plea agreement essentially lays out what he pled to

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<v Speaker 3>fraud and related activity in connection with computers or Tees.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed to plead guilty to accessing a Justice Department criminal

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<v Speaker 1>database and then sharing that information with this notorious drug

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<v Speaker 1>kingpin Frankie Johnson. Now who knows what it was used for.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my mind doesn't go to a good place.

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<v Speaker 3>If he's going to utilize his access as a Buffalo

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<v Speaker 3>police officer and passed that information along to someone who's

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<v Speaker 3>not a police or someone who may be in the streets,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was alleged here.

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<v Speaker 7>There has to be a history there.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's probably a bunch of other things that are

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<v Speaker 3>being exchanged as well. It just so happened to be

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<v Speaker 3>that this is what they caught, or this what was

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<v Speaker 3>on their radar, or this is what they were able

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<v Speaker 3>to say was ultimately past to someone who shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>gotten this information. And also, in order for the FEDS

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<v Speaker 3>to take on a case like this, there has to

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<v Speaker 3>be substantial ties to criminal activity that far exceed this

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<v Speaker 3>for this to even become an issue in the Fed world.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a nominal crime that he took a plea to.

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<v Speaker 1>According to his plea deal, he'd either do one year

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<v Speaker 1>in prison, pay a fine, or both. A sweet deal

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about it, for his role in this

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<v Speaker 1>drug organization for which guys like Jonathan may end up

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of prison for life.

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<v Speaker 3>So whatever this guy was able to really work out,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like it was actually a slap on the wrist.

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<v Speaker 3>The maximum possible sentences are usually just statutory and don't

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<v Speaker 3>actually apply.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't honestly speak accurately to what was going on

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<v Speaker 4>with those officers at the time, but as evidently something

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<v Speaker 4>was going on because I say, aside from the technive

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 4>war piece, there was another police officers and detectives. They

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<v Speaker 4>were also brought up on.

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<v Speaker 1>Corruption charges, which begins to grant a sent of validity

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<v Speaker 1>to that street version of events that Karl was talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Aaron Yarborough came forward to shed even more

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<v Speaker 1>light on the situation.

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<v Speaker 4>Somewhere around twenty twelve, Aaron Yarborough actually ran into a

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<v Speaker 4>family member of mine and was saying that he had

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<v Speaker 4>got sick and he was likely to have long to

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<v Speaker 4>live and he was feeling guilty about what he had

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<v Speaker 4>done and he just wanted to tell the truth about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Aaron Yarborough, who now has passed away, said that he

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<v Speaker 5>was at a drug store nearby and see anything, but

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<v Speaker 5>the cops told him exactly what they wanted him to

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<v Speaker 5>say he saw.

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<v Speaker 3>So Yarborough actually gives a sworn statement wherever. He says

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<v Speaker 3>that testimony that I then offered was false and totally untrue.

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<v Speaker 3>I was told what to say that I had seen.

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<v Speaker 3>He basically says, I did not see Jonathan Parker at

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<v Speaker 3>or near the scene of the murder. I definitely did

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<v Speaker 3>not see Jonathan Parker shoot a Buffalo Police officer. I

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<v Speaker 3>had been around the corner store a block away from

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<v Speaker 3>the shooting when I heard the noise. I looked out

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<v Speaker 3>to see what was happening. I saw many police cars

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<v Speaker 3>going by, so I quickly left the area. Later that evening,

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<v Speaker 3>homicide Detective Andre Ortiz and a bunch of other cops

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<v Speaker 3>captured me. He actually uses the word captured me.

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<v Speaker 5>Detective Ortiese had threatened him that if he didn't lie

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<v Speaker 5>and that he saw Jonathan do the shooting, that he

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<v Speaker 5>would take him out in the cornfields and blow his

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<v Speaker 5>head off.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that he knew the reputation of Detective Ortz.

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<v Speaker 3>He was afraid for his life, so he agreed to

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<v Speaker 3>see whatever they told me to say. At Jonathan Parker's

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 3>murder triumph. Now that Detective Ortiz is no longer a

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Buffalo Police detective and therefore can no longer kill me

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<v Speaker 3>for telling the truth. I am now willing to tell

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<v Speaker 3>the absolute truth.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Yarboro came clean, Jonathan had connected with

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<v Speaker 1>Keantay Ricks in prison, who put him in contact with

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<v Speaker 1>Carl and Stephen, who began reinvestigating the case and recording

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 1>these affidavits. So they also visited Aaron Lott.

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<v Speaker 5>According to Aaron lott subsequent statement, there was a Ford

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 5>Explorer that had gone by. According to the witnesses, they

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 5>were all the way down to the next life on

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Fillmore when they heard the shots. They didn't see anything.

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:10.199
<v Speaker 5>Aaron Lott. He was facing federal prison time for drugs.

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 5>The police said, we'll make it go away if you'll

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 5>say you're a block back and saw this whole thing,

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 5>which he did.

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.439
<v Speaker 1>But now we get to how they knew to approach

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Lott for testimony. Remember, he wasn't in the Hyundai

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Excel that Officer Martinez had seen him in earlier that night.

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 1>He was in this Ford Explorer with tinted windows. It

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:35.199
<v Speaker 1>appears that Aaron Lott had already been cooperating with the Feds,

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>but strangely that wasn't information that was readily available even

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>if trial counsel wanted to find it, or anyone else

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>for that matter.

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 7>I'm looking for Aaron Lott. Why do I not.

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Find anything in Aaron Lot Because I discovered that he's

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 3>going by his criminal cases Aaron Davis, and I have

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 3>confirmed with the District Attorney's office that Aaron Davis in

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 3>this key is Aaron Lott. And specifically, the plea agreement

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 3>that I received with regards to Aaron Lott pertains to

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 3>a nineteen ninety five Western District case. But on the

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 3>plea there is a actual stamp about his plea agreement

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 3>being in December of nineteen ninety seven. So here's the

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>entry of guilt from sometime in nineteen ninety three and

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 3>continuing through September ninety four. Defendant Aaron Davis aka Aaron

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 3>Lott knowingly, intentionally and willfully agree to assist Dexter Hennings

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and others in purchasing, storing, and selling cocaine and cocaine

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:51.719
<v Speaker 3>based crack in Buffalo, New York and elsewhere in the

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 3>Western District. Forty one grams of cocaine base and one

0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 3>hundred and thirty grams of cocaine are the amounts in

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 3>his relevant conduct. Now they were talking about a mandatory

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 3>minimum of five.

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>It's the perfect time, actually for me to point out

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the one hundred and one sentencing disparity between crack and

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.719
<v Speaker 1>powder cocaine. Five grams of crack meant a minimum of

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>five years, fifty grams carried a minimum of ten years.

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>But compared to sentencing for powder cocaine, which was more

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>popular in wealthier and wider circles, it would take five

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred grams of powder cocaine to trigger the very same

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>mandatory five year sentence that someone could get with just

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>five grams of crack. Meanwhile, simple possession of even one

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty grams of cocaine was just a misdemeanor

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>punishable by up to a year in prison. Now, I'll

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>let you make your own inferences about why this disparity existed.

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>We spoke with Senator Dick Durbin about how he worked

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to correct that disparity with the bill that he proposed,

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>which was signed into law in twenty ten. All of

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>this fascinating history is on the episode of Righteous Convictions

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>where I interviewed Dick Durbin. We're going to link to

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>that in the episode description, but back to Aaron Lott.

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>It appears that he had cooperated on this nineteen ninety

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>five case, yet the plea deal was signed in December

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven, and his charges appear to completely ignore

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the trafficking of one hundred and thirty grams of cocaine

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and who knows what else, and instead was focused solely

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>on the forty one grams of crack with a minimum

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>sentence of five years.

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Now the talk of community or house confinement, there is

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 3>this understanding that he is going to get time towards

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 3>his sentence by not officially going in. And here's what

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 3>it's based on. Check this out. There is a paragraph

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 3>entitled cooperation Paragraph eighteen. Defendant has already cooperated and will

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 3>continue to cooperate with the government by providing complete and

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 3>truthful information regards arding his knowledge of any and all

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 3>criminal activity, whether undertaken by himself or others. So they

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>sprinkled all this stuff in there, And what do you

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 3>think he's doing during this time? During this time he

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 3>is cooperating on Jonathan Parker's case.

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>In the next paragraph, it stated that the FEDS would

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>give him credit against his sentence for cooperation with state

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and local authorities. As well, and in federal sentence and

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>guidelines they have numerical levels that correspond to time ranges

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>for specific charges. After his first cooperation, he was at

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>level twenty five with a minimum of sixty to seventy

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>one months on a community confinement.

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 7>All right, So they got him at a level twenty five.

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>And essentially it's saying, if you provide additional assistance. Now

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about ninety seven grand jury testimony, we'll knock

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 3>it down five levels. You know, we'll talk about thirty

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>three to forty one months. But if you provide additional assistance,

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 3>you get another two levels knocked down at eighteen, which

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 3>provides for a sentence of twenty seven to thirty three

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 3>months of incarceration.

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>So by cooperating in Jonathan's case, he was able to

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>chip away to level eighteen, meaning just two years in

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>change on community confinement, with the opportunity to chip away

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>even more with further cooperation, and the deal got even

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>sweeter for mister Aaron Lott.

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Moving on paragraph twenty, in exchange for defendans flee of

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 3>guild and cooperation is set forth, he will not be

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 3>prosecuted by the Office of the United States attorney for

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 3>the Western District for any other federal criminal offenses. I mean,

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 3>in that world, that is huge. Check this out now,

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 3>paragraph twenty one. The government will move the court at

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 3>sentencing provided to guidelines five K one point one. I

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you know what a five K one

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 3>point one is, but it's a downward departure that submitted

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 3>in a letter format that basically says you have provided

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 3>the government substantral assistance. And it essentially is and can

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 3>be considered as good as a get out of jail

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 3>free card without question. It is amazing what a five

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 3>K one letter will do.

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 1>So Aaron Lott was in a position to be a

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 1>serial testifier, which not only would have been very useful

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to trial counsel, but alternatively anyone else who Aaron Lott

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>may have cooperated against, falsely or otherwise. Which makes me

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>wonder again about what information Detective Ortiz might have accessed

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 1>and shared that got the Feds pissed off enough to

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 1>prosecute him. Either way, Jonathan now had Yarborough Lot and

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>by association Cassandra Salinis, this was powerful evidence of innocence,

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>and then Jonathan's case got another boost in twenty eighteen,

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>when the Supreme Court ruled in McCoy versus Louisiana, affirming

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>that a defendant has the right to choose their own defense,

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>which for him meant that his attorney violated his rights

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>by conceiving guilt in closing arguments. So Carl added that

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>to a new for forty.

0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 5>Motion, I had four issues. Issue one was based on McCoy.

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 5>Issue two, McCoy is retroactive because at that point under

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 5>Montgomery and Welch they had held it to be retroactive.

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 5>Third was newly discovered evidence, basically Aaron Yacht and Aaron

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 5>Yarborough's testimony. And the fourth issue actual innocence. I did

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 5>that because under federal law, a claim of actual innocence

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 5>cannot be time barred. I had plenty of affidavits from Harrington,

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 5>from Aaron Loss, from Aaron Yarborough, and from the lead

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 5>death penalty lawyer in Rochester explaining why Harrington said what

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 5>he did because his job was not to quit Jonathan,

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:05.480
<v Speaker 5>but to keep him alive. So originally the four forty

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 5>lead off was McCoy. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court subsequently claimed

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.359
<v Speaker 5>that McCoy will not apply retroactively. Too many people were

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 5>getting out, so that issue went out.

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>So an amended four to forty was submitted in twenty

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty two based on all this new evidence and the

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 1>actual illness it's claim.

0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 3>I was having status conferences with the court and trying

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 3>to push for an evidentiary hearing, and I got everybody

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 3>to agree that a hearing was warranted. Then the assigned

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 3>assistant district attorney who was on the case, I believe

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 3>he was fired. He was no longer on the case.

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 3>A new set of district attorneys came on the case,

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 3>and they immediately contacted the court and said that the

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 3>district attorney's office has changed their stance on whether or

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 3>not and entry hearing was warranted. I then as for

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 3>another status conference. At that court appearance, we actually both

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean I addressed the court at least twice. Carl

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 3>was working with Attorney Goldstein. He addressed the court and

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 3>the people's position was to essentially attack the credibility of

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 3>the recantations. And I continued to push for a hearing,

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 3>and at one point the judge said that he would

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 3>have a decision in thirty days.

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 7>Whether or not we could have an evident your hearing.

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 3>That was at the end of twenty twenty two, so

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 3>we are now going on thirty days turning into three years.

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 3>At first, my position was, let's not rock the boat

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 3>because I could force a decision, but enforcing a decision

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 3>that's going to land us in a pellet world for

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 3>the next couple of years. I submitted a bunch of

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>different subpoenas I kept pushing this issue that I want

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 3>people to testify, and I am told that a decision

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 3>will be issued in the month of October of this year.

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.840
<v Speaker 1>And we understand that they have a massed witnesses that

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>will corroborate the recantations as well as support for the

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>alternate theory, but they can always use more help.

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm asking for anybody who as any information in regards

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 4>to this matter and a murder officer child Skip McDowell

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 4>to please contact Carl Deviver, Stephen A. Metcalf, anybody who

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 4>you feel can hear what needs to be her for

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:32.800
<v Speaker 4>you to say what needs to be said.

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>We're going to link contact information in the episode description.

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Please go there, check it out, and take whatever action

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you're capable of. And in the meantime, we await Judge

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 1>by NACI's decision on the evidentiary hearing. Let's hope for

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 1>a good one, and with that we'll go to closing arguments,

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 1>where I think you guys, from the bottom of my heart,

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>especially you Jonathan, for sharing courageously sharing your story. And

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.919
<v Speaker 1>now I'm going to kick back in my chair with

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 1>my headphones on and my eye clothes on, my microphone off,

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and just listen to anything else you guys have to say. Steven,

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you go first, and then hand the microphone off to

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Carl and then Jonathan will take us off into the sunset.

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:15.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think to summarize this with what we

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 3>spoke about tonight is if it doesn't fit, it just

0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 3>there's a reason it doesn't fit.

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.560
<v Speaker 7>Aaron Yarborough is ultimately.

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Trying to sell CD players on the street, yet he

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 3>becomes one of the government's first witnesses. The guy gets

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 3>thrown into the Hilton. He's living his best life at

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 3>this point, giving statements to substantiate the investigation throughout the

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 3>course of this time. Then you have Aaron Lott and Cassandra.

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Aaron Lott happens to be a player or drug dealer

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 3>in the streets at this time, has so much to

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:55.479
<v Speaker 3>gain from providing information against Jonathan Parker, and in order

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 3>to do that, he had the rope Cassandra into it.

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 3>Does ultimately me and them look more credible. And ultimately

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 3>you take this mixed bag of various different characters, potentially

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 3>two of them crackheads, one of them a nice crack dealer.

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 3>You mix it all up, and you got the witnesses

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 3>they needed to put the gun in Jonathan Parker's hand.

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 3>It's just nobody actually looked at it and told the

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 3>additional story or the other side of the story. The

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 3>streets have spoken about this, The streets keep speaking about this,

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 3>and the thirty years that the streets have spoke about that,

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 3>we're looking to actually tell that real side of that

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 3>story and seek justice for Jonathan. And I'm confident that

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 3>all you got to do is give me a hearing

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 3>and I can blow Jonathan Parker's case out of the

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 3>water where no appellate division would ever even question it,

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 3>and it would just be another repeat of Jonathan Parker

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 3>case with no evidence whatsoever to justify a conviction.

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:59.319
<v Speaker 5>They know Jonathan was innocent, but they had a dead

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 5>cop and newspaper screaming for a perpetrator, and they thought

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 5>that Parker is a nasty street kid. Let's get him

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 5>off the streets. We know he didn't kill Skip, but

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 5>he's a trouble Let's get him off the streets. I'm

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 5>glad to say that somebody is finally willing to do

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 5>something to get an innocent man, a framed man, out

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 5>of jail.

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's obviously that the evidence in this case shows

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 4>that I didn't commit this crime. And as I've said,

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 4>I've professed my innocence from the day I turned myself

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 4>into the very second where you're hearing this broadcast. So

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 4>I just asked the justice to be served. We say

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 4>we have a justice system, that the justice system is

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 4>supposed to be equal to everyone. This is justice system

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:52.360
<v Speaker 4>was not equal to me in these circumstances surrounding this case.

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 4>So now is the time to correct what needs to

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<v Speaker 4>be corrected, and hopefully the truth will come to the

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<v Speaker 4>light and I will be set free.

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