WEBVTT - Hanged in a Secret Nuclear City

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<v Speaker 1>Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Something strange is going on. Another member of the Russian

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<v Speaker 2>elite has been found dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Reports suggests that he fell out of a window, poisoned

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<v Speaker 3>with mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Died of heart failure, died of carbon monoxide poisoning. How

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<v Speaker 2>comesy are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Dozens of Russian oligachs, politically motivated millionaires have died in

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<v Speaker 1>the space for three years, most of them in suspicious circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>Many have hidden links to the Kremlin. This is sad

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<v Speaker 1>Oligach Season two, an ongoing investigation into these recently dead

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<v Speaker 1>Russian power brokers. Sad Oligach is created by me jake

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<v Speaker 1>Hanrahan and my Ukrainian colleague Sergei Slipchenkov. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>H eleven studio and Coolso Media production. December seventeenth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. Fifty year old senior accountant Evgeny Postragan is

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<v Speaker 1>in the garage of his private home in the closed

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<v Speaker 1>city of jelen Nogorsk, hidden away in central Siberia. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a place unlike any other, its secret clandestine. Postragan

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<v Speaker 1>works for a state satellite development company. Postragan is tying

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<v Speaker 1>a knot.

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<v Speaker 2>In a thick rope.

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<v Speaker 1>He pulls the ends toward test the slack. He's making

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<v Speaker 1>a noose. Even in the garage. His breath catches in

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<v Speaker 1>the cold. Small wisps of white eke from his lips

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<v Speaker 1>as he fixes the rope. At this time of year,

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<v Speaker 1>it's deadly freezing outside. Jelein Agause hits lows of around

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<v Speaker 1>a minus twenty in the winter. A few feet beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the garage walls, everything is snow and ice. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the Siberia Agent after all. Postragan has finished his noose.

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<v Speaker 1>He pulls off a stool, stands on it, and ties

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<v Speaker 1>it to the rafters. Above a tear drop loop of

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<v Speaker 1>ropes weayhs inches from his face, the vast unknown expanse

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<v Speaker 1>of the afterlife just moments away. Posture Gan pulls the

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<v Speaker 1>noose over his head and kicks away the stool. He drops,

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<v Speaker 1>his body weight slowly chokes him. The rope tightens stiff

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<v Speaker 1>around his neck, his legs dangling and kicking in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything goes dark. Eventually he stops struggling ef Guinea, Postragan

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<v Speaker 1>chokes to death by his own hand. Sadly, Postragan's wife

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<v Speaker 1>found him hanging from the rafters, his feet dangling his

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<v Speaker 1>heart still, his life gone. This is the official story

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<v Speaker 1>from the Russian State of how Evgeny Postragan died. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Russian State is most definitely not a reliable source.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get into what kind of a man Evgeny

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<v Speaker 1>Postragan was, let's have a look at the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>place Zeleno Gorsk is. In short, it's a clandestine city

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<v Speaker 1>in Russia built up to produce nuclear weapons for the government.

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<v Speaker 1>Serious location with a shadowy mo. I speak to journalist

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Gault. He runs the publication Angry Planet and is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely knowledgeable on all things nuclear. So I think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing would be maybe to kind of explain

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<v Speaker 1>why these closed ease happened, why would they started up,

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<v Speaker 1>and what was their purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>They predate nuclear weapons because there were like some there

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<v Speaker 3>were some planned cities that they were making kind of

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<v Speaker 3>east of the Ural mountains before nukes because they needed

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<v Speaker 3>like an industrial base kind of overnight to produce weapons.

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<v Speaker 3>But then like it really gets going in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 3>when the Soviets go real big on nukes and they

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<v Speaker 3>kind of adopt this model that they'd seen the Americans use.

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<v Speaker 3>The Americans when they were doing the Manhattan Project set

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<v Speaker 3>up these secret cities Oakridge, Los Alamos, where they brought

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<v Speaker 3>in all of the scientists and the scientists' families and

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<v Speaker 3>all of the labors that they needed and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>built these closed cities almost overnight. And the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 3>does the same thing at like a massive scale. And

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<v Speaker 3>they need them because, like, nuclear weapons are very secretive

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<v Speaker 3>and you don't want people to know where your stuff is,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why they get started, and like why there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many of them, like in the Siberian area in

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<v Speaker 3>like in eastern Russia in general.

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<v Speaker 1>This place was from what I understand, primarily made for

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<v Speaker 1>the production of nuclear weapons. Right, there's plutonium. How does

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<v Speaker 1>that all work? Is that something they would mine? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that something they would produce? It's going over my head

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, I'll be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's pretty fascinating the project that happens in this

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<v Speaker 3>city specifically. Have you seen the Have you seen like

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<v Speaker 3>the city's flag or it's cut of arms.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the coolest flags of the bear right

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<v Speaker 1>in the atom. Believe it or not, this clandestine closed

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<v Speaker 1>city actually has one of the coolest, most eye catching

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<v Speaker 1>flags I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>The background is bright red.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that, there's a yellow bear inside an

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<v Speaker 1>atom symbol at the center. The bear, with an angry face,

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to break apart the atomic core. It's cracking

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<v Speaker 1>in two, literally split in the atom. Now this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>some relic from the Soviet era either. Back in those days,

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<v Speaker 1>jelener Gorsk was actually called Krasnoyask twenty six. Its flag

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<v Speaker 1>back then was a blue and orange checkered background with

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<v Speaker 1>a red and yellow lion's crest in the center. The

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<v Speaker 1>lion is holding a shovel and of course a sickle.

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<v Speaker 1>The current flag, though for Jelen a goorsk with the

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<v Speaker 1>bear and the atom symbol, was approved and put into

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<v Speaker 1>use in twenty twelve. The closed city's description of it,

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<v Speaker 1>which varies quite differently from mine, shows just.

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<v Speaker 2>How proud they are of it all. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>In a scarlet field, there is a silver sign of

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<v Speaker 1>an atom with three intertwined orbits, and inside the orbits

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<v Speaker 1>there is a golden bear threaded through them with silver

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<v Speaker 1>fangs and claws, rising straight and turning to the right,

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<v Speaker 1>tearing the silver core on the sign of the atom

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<v Speaker 1>with its front paws and resting its hind paws on

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<v Speaker 1>two of the three orbits end the quote Jellen and

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<v Speaker 1>Gorsk might be private and closed off, but Russia is

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<v Speaker 1>most definitely proud of its current utility and history. To

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<v Speaker 1>be fair, the way they built the place is a

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<v Speaker 1>serious feat of engineering.

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<v Speaker 3>So the city, you think it got up to about

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred thousand people like in its heyday. And what

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<v Speaker 3>they do is they bring in a bunch of goolag labor.

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<v Speaker 3>They hollow out a nearby mountain and they build three

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear reactors in there. And the nuclear reactors are dual use,

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<v Speaker 3>so they produce they like heat and cool the city.

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<v Speaker 3>They do like they power the whole city, but they

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<v Speaker 3>also produce plutonium that is used in the manufacture of

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear weapons. I think like at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>something like a third of all of the plutonium that

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<v Speaker 3>was used in the Soviet nuclear weapons is produced in

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<v Speaker 3>this mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to explain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like almost a warehouse setting, but it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>hollowed out in the mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's almost like they it's almost like some supervillain stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds very James Bond, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, they have this huge mountain, they hollow it out,

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<v Speaker 3>they build these nuclear reactors under there, and they ferry.

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<v Speaker 3>The mountain is like a I think it's like twenty

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<v Speaker 3>thirty kilometers away from the city itself, and people live

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<v Speaker 3>in the city and take shuttles back and forth, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're the whole city is kind of based around this,

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<v Speaker 3>like producing plutonium for the Soviet nuclear weapons program. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's really interesting because at a time when it's not

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<v Speaker 3>great to live in Soviet society, this is the place

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<v Speaker 3>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing with the society of the USSA is that

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<v Speaker 1>it was, of course communist ostensibly anyway of communist friends

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<v Speaker 1>who tell me real.

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<v Speaker 2>Communism has never been.

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<v Speaker 1>Tried, and I tell them they've never tried real life.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, in the Soviet Union, private ownership was highly restricted.

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<v Speaker 1>What you got would often depend on class status, which

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<v Speaker 1>was often linked to someone's employment. Really not much different

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<v Speaker 1>from the systems we have now. Similarly, the elite of

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<v Speaker 1>the USSR group fat and had whatever they wanted, but

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<v Speaker 1>the workers were not so lucky. Jelly n Gorsk, though,

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<v Speaker 1>was a rare place in Siberia that gave employees a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more access to otherwise restricted goods.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not just a job.

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<v Speaker 3>For like forty years. These are probably some of the

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<v Speaker 3>best treated citizens in the Soviet Union. They've got the

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<v Speaker 3>best foods, they've got the best clothing, they've got the

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<v Speaker 3>best you know, the best housing. It is good. Do

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<v Speaker 3>they have chocolate, which like other places don't have. Some

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<v Speaker 3>of the stories are about how much chocolate they got

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<v Speaker 3>to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I read it was one of the few places

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<v Speaker 1>where you could have a car as well. Okay, now

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for a quick outbreak, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, not for that. Now back to the shore.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. The downside is that it's sealed. There are there

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<v Speaker 3>are guards at the entrances and exits of the entire city,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's monitored by Soviets secret police. Like the whole

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<v Speaker 3>place is watched over. So like it's it's a gilded cage,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's still a cage.

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<v Speaker 1>Say you were living there, obviously, you work there, you

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<v Speaker 1>live there. It's how it works. It's kind of feudal

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<v Speaker 1>in a way. But if you're living there, can you

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<v Speaker 1>just freely go in and out? Like it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>to stop people getting in, from what I understand, it

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of stops people getting out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, No, they don't want you to leave because

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<v Speaker 3>there's like if you work in the plutonium and if

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<v Speaker 3>you work in the plutonium factories, like you have secret

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge of how the Soviet unit is producing the fuel

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<v Speaker 3>that makes its nukes. And this is a It's also

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<v Speaker 3>interesting because like Los Alamos are like Oak Ridge, the

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<v Speaker 3>culture is very mixed, meaning that you've got people that

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<v Speaker 3>are laborers and like working class people, but then you

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<v Speaker 3>also have nuclear scientists, like some of the smartest people

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<v Speaker 3>that are in the country live in this live and

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<v Speaker 3>work in the city and are doing like fringe science

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<v Speaker 3>and so and they you don't want those people leaving either.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why you build it like in Siberia, which

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<v Speaker 3>is an easier place to like keep people in and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you aren't getting in or out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>That is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So the proximity to the plutonium production, how how does

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<v Speaker 1>one produce plutonium?

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<v Speaker 3>The would do is they would bring in the minerals

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<v Speaker 3>from outside and they would put them in these reactors,

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<v Speaker 3>and these reactors would they would both power the city

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<v Speaker 3>and then they would also spit out plutonium plutonium. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna screw up the designation. It's like two thirty six,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, which is what they would use in their

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<v Speaker 3>weapons program. And the way they would this is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of wild. They would cool the reactors with the nearby river,

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<v Speaker 3>which also flows downstream and has a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 3>cities that are feeding off of it. Especially this time,

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<v Speaker 3>nuclear reactors are not they're pumping the waste into the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>but also like it's backsplashing into that river that they're

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<v Speaker 3>using to cool everything, and if kind of irradiating all

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<v Speaker 3>of the citizens and everybody that lives downstream from them,

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<v Speaker 3>so like incidents of breast cancer and birth defects in

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<v Speaker 3>that city and then like everybody that lives downstream from

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<v Speaker 3>the city are pretty high. They keep producing plutonium there

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<v Speaker 3>for a while. So at the end of like when

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<v Speaker 3>the Soviet Union collapses, they shut down two of the reactors,

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<v Speaker 3>and the way the reactors work, they can't keep going

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<v Speaker 3>and not make It's like always going to be outputting

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<v Speaker 3>plutonium that you can only kind of use in weapons,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it becomes this weird problem. Like in the

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<v Speaker 3>early nineties, when they shut the reactors down, Russia is

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<v Speaker 3>like dismantling nuclear weapons. They're left with this one reactor

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<v Speaker 3>that is like spitting out plutoni like weapons grade plutonium

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<v Speaker 3>constantly and like piling up, and they don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>to do with but they can't turn it off because

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<v Speaker 3>then the city, like the city doesn't have power.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, eventually, in twenty ten, with international help, Russia managed

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<v Speaker 1>to shut down all the old reactors. In that time,

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<v Speaker 1>though serious pollution had damaged the area, still business had

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<v Speaker 1>to keep on moving weapons to build profit to make

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<v Speaker 1>new state companies of the New Russia took over when

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<v Speaker 1>the Postagon ended up working for We'll hear more about

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<v Speaker 1>that in a bit, but for now, just understand that

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<v Speaker 1>we live in a time where nukes are very much

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<v Speaker 1>back on the table. This could be relevant. This place

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<v Speaker 1>is jelen Agusk. It's potentially a lot more significant, especially

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<v Speaker 1>considering the war in Ukraine, which a lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>points to that. You know, they were talking about tactical

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<v Speaker 1>nukes and now you've got Trump talking about nukes. If

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<v Speaker 1>there's ever a time when the uptick of production or

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<v Speaker 1>watchful eyes on the region of this closed platonium place

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<v Speaker 1>in jelen a Gausk, I feel like it will be now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so. But unfortunately it's really wild. What's

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<v Speaker 3>happened like in the past ten years. It's like after

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<v Speaker 3>the collapse of the Soviet Union, we had this nice

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<v Speaker 3>twenty year period where we have some really great treaties.

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<v Speaker 3>People were kind of drawing down their nukes. America was

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<v Speaker 3>in the Soviet Union a whole lot helped with a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the cleanup and a lot of the study

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of the shutting down of the reactors

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<v Speaker 3>in that mountain. Now, post Trump won, post COVID, like

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<v Speaker 3>all the old treaties are on hold. Russia's not coming

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<v Speaker 3>into American inspecting anything. America is not going over to

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<v Speaker 3>Russian inspecting anything. If you were doing something in that

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<v Speaker 3>mountain you didn't want anyone in the international community to see,

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<v Speaker 3>now would be a great time to do it, because

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<v Speaker 3>no one's watching anyone in the way that they used

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<v Speaker 3>to be watching anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that there is plenty going on in

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<v Speaker 1>Jelling of Gauze that shouldn't be. We've dug deep and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually we found some payda. First, though, let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>closer look at Postragan. December seventeenth, back on the night

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<v Speaker 1>of his death, Evgenny Postragan headed out of the house

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<v Speaker 1>before he hanged himself, where too no one seems to know,

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<v Speaker 1>came back and did the d Perhaps he went out

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<v Speaker 1>for a walk just to clear his head and decided

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<v Speaker 1>that he was definitely going to take his own life

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<v Speaker 1>when he got back.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more than likely.

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<v Speaker 1>Another possibility he went out to meet an undisclosed person

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<v Speaker 1>who gave him some very bad news, so bad that

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<v Speaker 1>Postragan could see only one way out. The cloak and

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<v Speaker 1>dagger nature of a closed nuclear city in the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of Siberia means there's very little to go on. But

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<v Speaker 1>what we have found out is that Postragan was largely

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<v Speaker 1>liked by his peers and the local community. One person

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<v Speaker 1>anonymously describes him as a quote kind and decent man.

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<v Speaker 1>Locals say they don't feel he would have committed suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been his fifty first birthday, four days.

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<v Speaker 2>After his death.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently he didn't seem depressed or preoccupied. No, not to them,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows what's going on in someone's head. According to

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<v Speaker 1>state media, Postragand had actually been posting depressive messages on

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<v Speaker 1>his VK page. He allegedly posted up pessimistic Japanese poems

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<v Speaker 1>hayakus of melancholy. Perhaps the works of the famous Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>poet Matsuo bashoal sick on a journey my dreams, wonder

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<v Speaker 1>the withered fields over still fields of snow, or winter

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<v Speaker 1>solitude in a world of one color, the sound of wind,

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<v Speaker 1>or weather beaten skeleton. That is all the remains of

0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a once gallant samurai who knows. We didn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to see which depressive Japanese poems Postragan posted. His

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<v Speaker 1>VK page was disabled shortly after his death. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>all of Postragan's social media was wiped as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>he died. It was all gone disabled with haste. What

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<v Speaker 1>we do know, however, is that he was last online

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<v Speaker 1>on VK at six thirty three pm on December sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>one day before he died. It's also this day that

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<v Speaker 1>he went out on his own again, with nobody knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Where he went.

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<v Speaker 1>Could just be a walk to clear his head, or

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<v Speaker 1>it could be something else. If Postragan's suicide was actually

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<v Speaker 1>just a suicide, why did he do it? Why take

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<v Speaker 1>his own life? Well, according to state controlled Russian media,

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<v Speaker 1>it was maybe because of quote a lot of funds

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<v Speaker 1>from the company he worked for, reshet Nev Information Satellite

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<v Speaker 1>systems really rolls off the tongue. This company is a

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<v Speaker 1>subsidiary of the Russian space agency ros Cosmos. We know

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<v Speaker 1>from two episodes back that you do not mess with

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<v Speaker 1>ross Cosmos. As we heard earlier from Matthew Gault Zellner,

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<v Speaker 1>Gorsk is a closed area with multiple defense manufacturing facilities.

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<v Speaker 1>They produce weapons grade plutonium. The line of work Postragan

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in, though, was to do with the satellite systems.

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<v Speaker 1>Russia's satellite network is supposed to arrival the GPS system

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<v Speaker 1>we have in the West. It's also used by Russian

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<v Speaker 1>military to assist with Putin's ongoing invasion of Ukraine. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now it's time for a quick outbreak. All right, enough

0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.480
<v Speaker 1>of that, Now back.

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<v Speaker 2>To the shot.

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<v Speaker 1>As you've probably noticed through series one and two of

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<v Speaker 1>sad Oligarch, feels as if all roads lead to Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's through the prism of Putin's disastrous invasion in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two that oligarchs and the power brokers in their

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<v Speaker 1>orbit began dropping like flights. However, Postragan was not an oligach,

0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:45.000
<v Speaker 1>but he was most definitely in the sad Oligarch sphere

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<v Speaker 1>of influence.

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<v Speaker 2>And disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>His role as a senior accountant at reshat Nev possibly

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<v Speaker 1>put him in the crosshairs when the company's coffers began

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<v Speaker 1>to run dry.

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<v Speaker 3>Where is the money going to come from?

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<v Speaker 1>The lost fun the Russian media spoke about in the

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<v Speaker 1>report on Postragans suicide begins at about eighty billion rubles,

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<v Speaker 1>that's almost a billion US dollars in twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the amount of money rashat Nev lost. They

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<v Speaker 1>lost almost one billion dollars. That's a hell of a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been chipping away at this case, and whilst on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface it might seem like a cut and dryer suicide,

0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.399
<v Speaker 1>there is obviously a lot more going on, specifically with

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<v Speaker 1>postra Gans place of employment.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk to sergery.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny, I think we see this connection with basically

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<v Speaker 1>almost every single suspected or suspect death in this series,

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<v Speaker 1>especially where it all seems to tie back to Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with this company the same as Ross Cosmos, like rockets,

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.159
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. It's all the same technology, and

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<v Speaker 1>this again it's a it's a company that's directly tied

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<v Speaker 1>to the state, like the Kremlin owns this company.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>One hundred percent. So again, ros Cosmos, the state like

0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.600
<v Speaker 4>space agency, essentially owned this company one hundred percent. Ros

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.520
<v Speaker 4>Costmos is the parent company and they basically own it,

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<v Speaker 4>they oversee it ros Cosmos, But more so the government

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<v Speaker 4>kind of decides the leadership and stuff like that. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>So if there's a change in the CEO or whoever,

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<v Speaker 4>like the director general, it's going to come from Moscow,

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<v Speaker 4>even though this this thing is like, you know, thousands

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<v Speaker 4>kilometers away from Moscow in Siberia. Yeah, Like ros Cosmos

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<v Speaker 4>is the main owner of this company.

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<v Speaker 1>And as is with pretty much every company that we've

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<v Speaker 1>come across, there's there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of corruption at this place. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So again it seems to be this pattern at the

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<v Speaker 1>minute of very little information out there. But then and

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<v Speaker 1>when we dig in and have a look, there's embezzlement

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:04.520
<v Speaker 1>seems to be at the center of all these cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Post Gan he himself was let's say, attached by a

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<v Speaker 1>proxy at best and completely involved in the embezzlement at worst.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Postergen was the CFO, I guess we would call

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<v Speaker 4>him right in the West, chief financial officer. I think

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 4>they called him the head accountant of the place, so

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<v Speaker 4>he was leading the financial department. From by understanding, he

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<v Speaker 4>started as just an accountant of the company, like back

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<v Speaker 4>in two thousands, and over the years he ended up

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<v Speaker 4>leading the place. The person that was in charge of

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<v Speaker 4>the actual company was Nikolai Destodov. I don't know if

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.880
<v Speaker 4>he's officially under an investigation, but he was definitely involved

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<v Speaker 4>with the comms directors fraud investigation, who has been criminally,

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<v Speaker 4>if not charged, definitely investigated for fraud and embezzlement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's here we start to understand where the missing billions

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<v Speaker 1>might have gone. Everyone from the communication officers to the

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<v Speaker 1>boardroom execs seems to be some way involved in mass

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<v Speaker 1>embezzlement at rishat Nev. As the head of financial management

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>at this company, how could Postugan not have known.

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<v Speaker 4>It would be hard to deny that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>head of the financial department had no idea about any

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.399
<v Speaker 4>fraud or embezzlement. It would kind of seem like the

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<v Speaker 4>thing that he should, if you know, if not at

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<v Speaker 4>least be involved, be aware of or understand that money

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.960
<v Speaker 4>is going somewhere where it's not supposed to. But there's yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the company was corrupt. The Sutlan and Bashkova. She was

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<v Speaker 4>in charge of the direct communications and she basically had

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 4>a company that it looks like it was a fake company,

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<v Speaker 4>but she created Prometheus Medium and she would get like

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<v Speaker 4>contracts for the company to create like in the in

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<v Speaker 4>the court filing, it was like media products, so I

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<v Speaker 4>think like videos, maybe like advertisements, things like that. And

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 4>despite the act company like Rashnatiev actually having their only

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<v Speaker 4>press corp press service or whatever, like basically media people

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.679
<v Speaker 4>who could do this already, and she would sign contracts.

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<v Speaker 4>It says that like over I think it was like

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<v Speaker 4>six years, she basically gave this fake company that she

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:21.959
<v Speaker 4>created over one hundred contracts totaling like forty three million

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 4>rules when all the work was actually just done by

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<v Speaker 4>the team that they already had.

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<v Speaker 1>This is some next level brazen theft of company funds.

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:36.280
<v Speaker 1>The communications officer made a fake company, gave said fake

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.919
<v Speaker 1>company media contracts from her own job, and then just

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<v Speaker 1>got her staff to do the media work she was

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<v Speaker 1>meant to hire out to a creative third party. The

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<v Speaker 1>audacity of this scheme, coupled with the higher up embezzlement,

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>will have no doubt enraged Moscow when it was discovered it.

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<v Speaker 4>Was supposed to be like a third party contractor that

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.880
<v Speaker 4>she claimed had like equipment that they didn't, when apparently

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 4>the company is like a balanced it or whatever listed

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 4>all this equipment that was used in the end. So

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<v Speaker 4>it seems like she just kind of used it as

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 4>like a way to funnel money out of the company.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the sort of thing where, especially the department

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<v Speaker 1>that he's in, I'm gonna say, it's very unlikely he

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.880
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have seen this happening, right, especially if it's embezzlement,

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>it's money, He surely would have seen this. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with the accounts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like this money isn't just appearing out of nowhere, right.

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 4>This is a state sponsored or state owned company, so

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 4>this money is coming from Moscow, probably being approved by

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 4>in the budget. Like this should be accounted for. He

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 4>should know where things are going, what's happening. And again

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of hard to imagine that he just is

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 4>blind to over like what five years, six years, almost

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 4>fifty million rubles just disappearing. There must have been kind

0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 4>of an understanding of like, okay, something is not right,

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<v Speaker 4>And it sounds like, again the CEO hasn't been charged

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 4>from what I could see, but it seems like at

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 4>least the CEO knew, and then if the CEO was

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 4>in on it, it wasn't like just Bashkova, not just

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 4>the comms director doing all this stuff. I find it

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 4>hard to believe that the guy in charge of all

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 4>the finances for the entire company had no idea that

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 4>something was wrong. If not, you know, be directly involved.

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Once again, it comes back to this thing of stealing

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>from the state. Do you think it's possible that he

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>realized he was going to get caught, he was going

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to be in some hot water, and he said, you

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>know what, the pressure of this, I might as well

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>just kill myself again, another kind of murder by proxy

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>via suicide, if that makes sense.

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 4>I think this is one of the more clear cut

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 4>cases for that. So in twenty twenty two is when

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 4>the previous CEO Testodov. I don't know if resigns or

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 4>I think one thing I saw was somebody said basically replaced.

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Like I said, like Moscow is kind of in charge

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 4>of right, whether it's at Roskosmos, whether it's somebody closer

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.680
<v Speaker 4>to putin or even putin himself, a person from Moscow

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 4>comes in. His name is if Ganianisterov. He's he's much

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 4>younger for reference, like the previous CEO's like a seventy

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:17.120
<v Speaker 4>three year old academic, kind of Soviet era person who

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 4>actually like worked on some satellites and you know that tech.

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 4>I guess he like works his way up to be

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 4>the CEO. He again either quits, you know, maybe forcefully

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 4>retires or whatever. He's not at the company anymore. Twenty

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 4>twenty two, a young guy forties, but you know, compared

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<v Speaker 4>to these other people, he's pretty young. He comes in.

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<v Speaker 4>He ran some startups in Moscow. He I think he

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<v Speaker 4>taught at a university or something like that related to

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like the space and satellites. And he comes

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<v Speaker 4>over in twenty twenty two, and it kind of looks

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<v Speaker 4>like he's there to clear house because shortly after he joins,

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<v Speaker 4>Boshkowa quickly retires or quits, like she kind of gives

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<v Speaker 4>in her resignation from what I understand, and then soon

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<v Speaker 4>after she's you know, undergoing these criminal charges. Very soon

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<v Speaker 4>after Pastriking kills himself. And then there was I think

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<v Speaker 4>I mentioned to you the smaller cases where like employees

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<v Speaker 4>receive like a bonus of like it wasn't too big.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like a million rubles, which is like I

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<v Speaker 4>think a couple thousand dollars. But three people get arrested

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<v Speaker 4>for giving out these bonuses and then keeping them for themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>So clearly like it sounds like this new person nested

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<v Speaker 4>of came in to kind of get rid of this

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<v Speaker 4>corruption and figure out what's happening, because I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 4>sanctions and things like that on this company that's making

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<v Speaker 4>you lose money, but it's losing a ton of money,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, money going down the train when this is

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to be a big like defense company.

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<v Speaker 1>So with all this knowledge of posture, guns, corrupt employment,

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<v Speaker 1>does this look like an actual suicide?

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<v Speaker 2>Still?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's still quite likely. All the embezzlement pressure

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<v Speaker 1>and the huge one of Harry losses at the state

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<v Speaker 1>company Postragan worked at would have no doubt caused serious stress,

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<v Speaker 1>stress that does not go away. I don't for a

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<v Speaker 1>second believe Postragan didn't know all this was happening. He

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the closed state run city where secrecy and

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<v Speaker 1>stepping in line are paramount. He then killed himself shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after a new government appointed boss is brought in to

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<v Speaker 1>fix the leaky ship. He would have known full well

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<v Speaker 1>that the Kremlin's shadowy operatives set examples and punish people

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<v Speaker 1>who steal from the state. Ultimately, Postragan was in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of the money. As the money went missing, where is

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<v Speaker 1>the money? As the sad Oligach pattern shows in Putin's Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>the head must roll. As I said, suicide to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>worse fate at the hands of the government is quite likely.

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<v Speaker 1>There are, though, a few other things about this case

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<v Speaker 1>that have me curious still. For example, I would be

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<v Speaker 1>interested to know if Postragan met with anyone in the

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<v Speaker 1>moments when he went for a long walk alone in

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<v Speaker 1>the deadly cold of the Siberian winter twice in two

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<v Speaker 1>days before his death. Will probably never know. And there

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<v Speaker 1>is the other possibility that Postugan was got rid of

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<v Speaker 1>when the shit hit the fan for what was effectively

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<v Speaker 1>a Zelenegorusk embezzlement ring. Get this, Exactly one week after

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<v Speaker 1>Postragan's death, a deputy head at rashatnv's parent company, ross

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<v Speaker 1>Cosmos was arrested for fraud, large scale fraud. It's alleged

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<v Speaker 1>by the state that he stole of four hundred million rubles.

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<v Speaker 1>That's over four million dollars. This guy's name is Oleg Frolov.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with two other accomplices, he stole money from budgets

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<v Speaker 1>that were allocated to purchase equipment. This is similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the brazen embezzlement of Reshetv's fake media contracts. At the

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<v Speaker 1>same time as all of this, another man named Yevgeny

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<v Speaker 1>Formachief was arrested for a different case of fraud roz Cosmos.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all at it. And then prior to this, there

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<v Speaker 1>were even more claims of corruption. Remember the Russian satellite

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<v Speaker 1>navigation system we mentioned earlier. The people running that accused

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<v Speaker 1>reshet Nev of purposely delayed joint operations in order to

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<v Speaker 1>quote suck in more money from the funding. Remember, the

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<v Speaker 1>satellite work has direct implications on the battlefield in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>a very touchy subject for the Kremlin. So with all

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<v Speaker 1>these mounting issues, all fingers are pointed at the senior

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<v Speaker 1>accountant at the center of the scandal, Evgeny Postrogan. As

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<v Speaker 1>this house of Kurds falls apart, many elite Kremlin adjacent

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<v Speaker 1>professionals are headed for their day in court. It's fair

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<v Speaker 1>to assume, considering his role the Postragan would have had

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<v Speaker 1>a stack of evidence to maybe dig himself out of

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<v Speaker 1>this hole and cooperate with the case. But I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we'll never actually know. The man with his eyes on

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<v Speaker 1>the accounts as all of this fraud happened, is now

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<v Speaker 1>dead and dead men tell no tales. How incredibly convenient

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<v Speaker 1>for the acute us. You've been listening to sad Oliga

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