WEBVTT - A Nation in Decline 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.280 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.400 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.840 I come to you today with a supersized episode with 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.000 my friend and our friend, Glenn Kirshner, host of Justice 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:33.160 Matters and MSNBC Legal Analyst. We're recording this show on 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.159 the actual day, January six, twenty twenty three, the two 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.839 year anniversary of the insurrection, and Folks, I have to 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.560 tell you that when I woke up today, I had 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:54.080 a really the word is sad? Is grief struck? Just 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.760 demoralize feeling in my soul that as we are watching 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.320 the dysfunction continue need to play out on the House 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:06.520 floor at the hands of Republican insurrectionists and anti democratic figures. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.839 All of this, all of this could have been stopped 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.039 if the Department of Justice, led by Merritt Garland had 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.040 done its fucking job over the last two years, had 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.720 held any of the architects of the insurrection accountable, had 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:26.680 pulled out the Republican members of Congress who provided recognisance 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.759 tours to the insurrectionists and actually pointed out the offices 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.720 of their colleague so that harm could come to them. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.360 If this Department of Justice had done its job, we 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.440 wouldn't be in this current shit show that we are witnessing, 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:47.360 which is in large amount, folks, the unraveling of our democracy. Sure, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.840 folks want to pop popcorns and send memes because you know, 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.400 we need to assuage our anxiety and fear that. You 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.600 know what, the insurrection still continues two years later because 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:04.680 we have a dysfunctional, fucking Department of Justice that is 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.560 too chicken shit to do its job. And so today, 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.040 on this day that should be covered wall to wall, 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.280 should be on every cable news station, every news station, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.839 on the front of every goddamn paper in this country, 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:26.560 we are watching them rewrite and derace history and to 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.440 make us believe that this day never happened. Well, I 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.200 for one will use whatever microphone I am in front 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:37.040 of whatever platform I am on from now until the 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.800 end of fucking time to mark this day because it 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.359 is one that should go down in infamy in our history. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:49.120 If we have the ability after twenty two years of 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.320 the horrific nine to eleven attack on this country by 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:57.600 foreign terrorists, you tell me why we can't commemorate and 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.679 lift up and acknowledge the attack on our democracy by 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.600 white domestic terrorists. So I, for one, choose never to 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.040 forget and to honor those that defended our capital building, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.040 that defended all of the members inside, and our right 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.720 to vote and our democracy every year on this day 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:25.720 until justice is served. Coming up next, my conversation with 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:34.040 our dear friend Glenn Kirshner. Friends, I am always very excited, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.160 particularly as we start this new year. Glenn, I cannot 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:40.920 believe that it has been almost three years since we 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:46.200 have been in conversation, talking about so many things over 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.200 the course of the last three years. But as we 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.640 enter twenty twenty three, wishing you and your family a 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:58.520 happy new year, I am filled today. Folks. You'll listen 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.720 to this on Monday, but Glenn and I are recording 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:07.480 this on the actual anniversary of the insurrection, the two 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:12.760 year anniversary of January sixth, and Glenn, I know before 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:17.600 we delve in deeply into conversation, how are you feeling today? 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.640 I want to get your thoughts on how you feel 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:28.159 waking up on this anniversary two years later. So on 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.200 the one hand, I want to make sure we honor 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.599 the heroes of January sixth and not only on that 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.920 sort of everything surrounding Donald Trump's efforts to end our 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.240 democracy and the people who stood up against it. I 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:49.080 am thrilled that President Biden is giving a Presidential Citizens 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:55.000 Medal not only to Capitol Police officers like Harry Dunn 0:04:55.120 --> 0:05:00.640 and Aquilino Gonnell, Metropolitan Police Department officer Mike fin Own, 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:07.799 and importantly Georgia's state election workers Shay Moss and Ruby 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:12.560 Freeman and others. I think we need to make sure 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:17.800 that every year we honor their sacrifice what they did 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:23.719 on and around January sixth. But I'm pretty disgusted that 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:29.560 there has been not one minute of accountability for Donald 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.960 Trump and his criminal associates and his co conspirators who 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:40.359 committed crimes that would be easily proved in a court 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:45.479 of law, and yet nothing has been done to hold 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:51.640 them accountable. That I will never understand how we've gotten 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:55.640 to this place where a Department of Justice that was 0:05:55.680 --> 0:06:02.080 my professional home for decades has failed in its responsibility 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:08.000 to protect our nation and its people. You know, so 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.719 I don't want to be all gloom and doom on 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.760 the anniversary of January sixth, but you know, it doesn't 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.520 really feel like much of an anniversary because I have 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:23.800 yet to see any public display of the acknowledgement of 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.599 the attack on our democracy on January sixth, and the 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.560 fact that this is the two year anniversary. You know, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.960 maybe it's early in the day and we'll see something 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.920 later today, but you know, the the attack on our 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:42.719 nation on January sixth, I believe was far more damaging 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.120 to the health of our republic than the attack on 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.320 nine to eleven. I mean, there's no two ways about it. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.159 And yet we still seem to be in denial. And 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.760 I hope as time progresses, you know, we move beyond that. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:05.839 You know, I woke up this morning in kind of thought, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.400 in deep thought about the way in which we have 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:13.760 commemorated and honored the victims of nine to eleven, the 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:19.200 heroes of nine to eleven, for the last what now 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:24.680 it will be twenty two years. And we have no 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:30.480 problem in this country rallying together and pointing fingers when 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:37.400 those those that perpetrate violence against us are foreign, right, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.119 we have had no problem. We had no problem after 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:47.320 nine to eleven rounding up Muslim Americans, right and making 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:52.880 them register because of the acts of a few. But 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:59.680 when it pertains to holding white Americans accountable for their violence, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:05.920 their anti democratic ideology. We seem not only Glenn, do 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.840 we not have any laws. We don't really even have 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.480 any conviction in terms of how we discuss and how 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:18.000 we name this day. The Washington Post and I don't 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.560 know if you saw it, but the Washington Post put 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.520 out a piece and I couldn't believe it that the 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.400 US Capital Visitor Center, which I'm sure you've been to, 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:33.559 I've been through many times, has no plaque, no remembrance, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:38.280 no nothing as it pertains to January sixth. The tour 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:42.600 guides that provide the tours around the Capitol Building to 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.520 mark and denote all the history that is there are 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:53.559 told to stay silent about January sixth because it's too 0:08:53.640 --> 0:09:00.600 quote unquote political. So I'm just wondering, you know, as 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.600 as somebody who lives in the DMV area, as somebody 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.920 like myself who has worked inside of government and believes 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.400 in its structures and believes in history and the constitution, 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.880 what does it say that we are, in real time 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:23.000 watching the whitewashing and erasure and the rewrite of this 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:28.000 monumental day. You know, it says that we are a 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:32.640 nation in decline. That's what it says, Danielle, Because not 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.720 only are we whitewashing it, not only are we failing 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:43.600 to acknowledge it, but we are also in the process 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:51.360 of reinstalling in Congress insurrectionists, the very people who aided 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.360 and embedded and gave aid and comfort to and some 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:02.319 who engaged in insurrection. If and when the Congress can, ever, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:08.199 the House of Representatives, can ever elect a speaker, those 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:12.400 insurrectionists will be sworn into Congress. Again, let me just 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:17.160 read twenty five or thirty words from the fourteenth Amendment 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:22.319 to the Constitution, because they're unequivocal, and if there's anybody 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:27.160 that loves them some strict construction of the Constitution, it's 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:32.439 the Republicans. Yeah, So let's let's read what the Constitution 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:37.800 says about the members of Congress or the members elect 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.040 who are about to be sworn in, who engaged in insurrection. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:48.000 No person shall be a representative in Congress who, having 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.200 previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:58.120 United States, shall have engaged in insurrection. That is not 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:07.240 may might can, that is shall, Danielle. The Constitution prohibits 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:14.719 insurrectionists from being sworn in to Congress. What what is 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.959 our government going to do about that? Are they going 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:24.640 to passively let you know, members of Congress who were 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:29.760 elected after having engaged in insurrection be sworn in so 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:34.000 they can continue to destroy us from the inside. That 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:39.160 is so far beyond us refusing to acknowledge in capital 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:45.080 tours that the insurrection even happened. That is us, the 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:50.120 people who are not doing anything about it, basically continuing 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.600 to give aid and comfort to the insurrection. I don't 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.360 understand any of this. I don't understand any of it. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.240 You know, I couldn't help too, but think to myself, 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.640 because not only are these insurrectionists being sworn in, these 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.080 are people there, And I want folks to remember this 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.080 is not just These are not just people that stood 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:17.440 up on a dais and repeated Donald Trump's treason as 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:22.680 talking points. These are people that gave recognisance tours inside 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.160 of the Capitol Building to point out the offices and 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.520 the spaces that their colleagues held so that harm would 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:34.720 be brought to them. That's what I want people to remember. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.600 That I think is just entirely glossed over. They knowingly 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:46.280 gave tours well aware of what was coming the following day. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.560 Because of all of the chatter that had been happening 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.839 in their own feeds on these social media sites, in 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:59.120 their chat groups, they knew what kind of harm and 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.840 damage could be brought. And these are the people that 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.960 right now, Glenn have But I don't know who voted, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.200 and I don't know who gave the direction to remove 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.240 metal detectors all around the house floor that we're put 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.800 there after the insurrection in order to keep members, all 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:25.640 members safe. I don't trust any of these people to 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:29.040 not do what happened to Harvey Milk so many decades 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.479 ago and be shot dead by one of your colleagues. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.880 It's you know, I think that because we are not 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:42.120 talking about this, because we are not naming this, because 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.319 we're not embedding it as a part of our history. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:52.520 My feeling, Glenn, is that what we saw on January six, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:57.960 two years ago, was indeed address rehearsal, and that I 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.680 don't know if it is, you know, as had said, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:04.840 a lack of imagination on the part of the Department 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:09.400 of Justice, the FBI and whomember else, or if it 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.400 is just going along for the get along because they 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:18.559 too want to see the demise of our democracy. You've 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:23.040 worked inside of this the Department of Justice for three decades, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.000 and I have been told on so many occasions that 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.960 we need to just be patient. Tell me, has the 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.280 patients run out yet? Oh? It ran out for me 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.800 a long time ago. You know, once you have probable 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.280 cause to believe someone has committed a crime. Now, mind you, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.920 we have that back during the Mullah Report and even 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.640 before for things like campaign finance crimes that Donald Trump committed. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.960 Once you have probable cause, you have a responsibility. You 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.600 have a responsibility to assess each and every day whether 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.400 you need to make an arrest because there is a danger, 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.320 there's a da you're in leaving folk out in the 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:06.360 community like Donald Trump after you know, he tried to 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.160 kill our democracy, and yet they've left him out in 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.880 the community month after month, year after year, and you 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:19.320 see the result. He continues to tweet lies about you know, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.040 those two women down in Georgia who were simply trying 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:29.360 to serve as election workers and were doing their honest best, 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.760 and he put their names out there and their lives 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.440 were threatened. And just when you think Danielle It had 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.920 calmed down, he re ups what he knows to be 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.760 lies about those women, puts them back in harm's way 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.600 in the Department of Justice has failed has failed to 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.400 protect them. By holding Donald Trump accountable for his crimes, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:56.400 they are enabling the very crimes Donald Trump continues to commit. Danielle, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.280 It would be no different if the Department of Justice 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:02.920 said we're done prosecuting bank robbers. What would that do? 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.760 It would inspire all kinds of people to jump into 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:11.840 the bank robbery game. When they refuse to prosecute ruling 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.880 class criminals for trying to kill our democracy, they're sending 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.960 the signal to the round the santisis of the world 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.360 a sport. You get to do it all over again 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.840 to unlawfully retain power because we ain't holding Donald Trump 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.720 and company accountable for it, so we're giving you permission 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.640 to do it. This is not rocket science. This is 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:40.360 law enforcement and good government. One oh one. I don't 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:45.520 understand how our country has fallen so far, so fast. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.320 I mean it, really, it is really shocking. When we 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.880 think about two hundred and forty plus years of this 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:59.800 country's independence and you think about the rot that has 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.800 has been born out of the last seven it is 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:09.119 really shocking to think just how fragile our democracy is. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:15.760 And you know, Glenn, before the holiday, before the break, 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.000 and before the new year, the January sixth Committee had 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:24.560 to wrap up, and because of the razor thin margin 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.240 that the Republicans won, that they clearly as of right now, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.880 as of this taping, have had eleven votes for Speaker 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:36.639 and eleven failures on the part of Kevin McCarthy, eleven 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.040 failures on the part of the Republican Party, and eleven 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:45.680 failures towards keeping our country safe. And we just continue 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:51.320 to go on. They release their final report, which laid 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:56.120 out their reasoning, their evidence behind the four criminal referrals 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.480 that they have provided to the Department of Justice. I 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:04.640 know that you haven't read the entirety of this voluminous report, 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.040 but I wanted to give you space to offer some 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.199 of the highlights because I know that right before the 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:15.080 break and during the break, you were speaking about the 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:20.080 report it's importance and the importance of these referrals. That again, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.320 seven years prior to Donald Trump, this would have been 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.000 wall to wall coverage news day in and day out. 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.919 But we know in the current climate, Nixon would have 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:36.199 gotten off and probably lived out a second term so 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.480 tell us some of the highlights that you have seen 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.600 and read from the report. Yeah, so let me hit 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:49.040 three things, Danielle. First of all, we're forever conditioned to 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.920 look for the smoking gun, the blockbuster piece of evidence. Right, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.119 That's why we watch Law and Order, forever read crime 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.960 fiction novels. I'm a crime fiction junkie. It's kind of fun. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:05.960 The reality is, in my thirty years prosecuting cases, I 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.000 rarely had a smoking gun or a blockbuster piece of evidence. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.840 I built cases on a thousand points of circumstantial evidence 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.400 that I had to pull together for the jury into 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.879 one cohesive picture. It's a picture of guilt beyond a 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.000 reasonable doubt. So first of all, Donald Trump and his 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.280 criminal associates understand the value of flooding the zone because 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:32.080 when everything is criminal, then nothing, no one thing persuades people. 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.119 Right that, because there is the missing smoking gun. The 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.480 reality is all of the evidence in there is smoking guns. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.520 I mean, Donald Trump is shrouded in gun smoke and 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.880 will always be shrouded in gun smoke. But first of all, 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.320 the one overarching observation about the report is it is 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.760 like what we call a case impression memo, a prosecution report, 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.919 because all of the evidence that you need to convict 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:59.320 Donald Trump and his co conspirators are right there in 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.359 black and white in the report. The only impediment to 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.960 a Trump conviction right now is a Trump indictment. All 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.439 we need is an indictment. We walk into court, we 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.320 firmly plant our feet in the well, and we argue 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.840 to twelve citizens in a jury box sitting as the 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.560 conscience of the community, and they will vote guilty. They 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.240 will vote guilty as long as we can impanel a 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.000 fair and impartial jury, and I believe we can for 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:28.199 a lot of reasons. Here are some of that. So 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.200 that's the overarching observation about the report. Let me use 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.960 two pieces of the report to compare and contrast two 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.480 things that we learned from two people inside Trump world. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:45.280 One is Hope Picks and one is Cassidy Hutchinson. Let 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.639 me start with Hope Picks. Hope Hicks, who was a 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:53.080 long time Donald Trump loyalist, a member of his inner circle, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.040 who knew she could be so compelling because in just 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.720 a couple of text messages that she sent on January, 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:04.360 as is revealed in the report, she tells us everything 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:08.480 we need to know about the Trump administration and the insurrection. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.760 She on January sixth, while the attack on the Capitol 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:17.199 was ongoing, she said, Oh my god, now everybody is 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:21.560 going to look at us like domestic terrorists. Check. That's 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.840 because the Trump administration launched the attack on our democracy, 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:30.359 and they are domestic terrorists. So what she announced, number 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:34.119 one is that everybody on the inside Trump's in her 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:39.760 circle knew Trump was responsible for the insurrection too. She said, 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:44.040 the only people that will have us now for speaking 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:49.320 engagements are the Proud Boys. So she announced who Donald 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:55.960 Trump's allies were in the insurrection, A white supremacist nationalist group, 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.639 the Proud Boys. Check. And then she said something that 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.480 is in some ways even more disturbing than those first 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.639 two things, because we already knew those first two things. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:12.440 She said, while police officers were being attacked, while they 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.240 were looking to hang Mike Pence, while they were hunting 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:22.160 for Nancy Pelosi and our other lawmakers, Hope Hicks said, man, 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.080 I am never going to be able to get a 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.840 job again in the future. She was more concerned about 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:31.359 her own job prospects than she cared about the people 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.800 putting their lives on the line at the US Capitol. 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:40.119 So what that shows us is that Trump and his 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.120 inner circle were never there to serve the public. They 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.560 wanted to know how the public can serve them and 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:53.880 their interests financial and otherwise. That's the takeaway from Hope 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:58.040 Hicks text messages on January sixth. Let's go to Cassidy 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:02.520 Hutchinson because she was also part of Trump World. She 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:06.680 was Mark Meadows right hand, you know, Gal Friday, and 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:09.760 she saw a lot of what was going on in 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.639 the Oval Office and in the area surrounding the Oval Office. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:19.000 And first of all, Trump World forced a lawyer on her, 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:25.600 the guy named Yestefahn Passantino get this for Irony, a 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:31.879 White House ethics counsel, and she kept asking him, Stefan, 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.919 who the hell's paying for you? Because you're my lawyer, 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:39.200 but I'm not paying for you. He wouldn't tell her. 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.720 He wouldn't tell her that it was a Trump pack, 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:47.000 a Trump affiliated organization that was paying for him. He 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.840 did tell her at one point, listen, we are here 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:55.960 to focus on protecting the president, do you know That's 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:58.440 what her lawyer said to her, not that we are 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.080 here to protect you and make sure you don't go 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:05.240 to jail, but we're here to protect the president. Focusing 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.000 on protecting the president, do you know what a legal 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:12.240 transgression that is for a lawyer to represent the interests 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:15.720 of somebody other than his client. I mean, that's an 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.719 instantly desborable offense. But setting that aside because he's got 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:25.280 criminal exposure, in my opinion, He then was urging her. 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:30.199 You know, you can say you don't recall things. She's like, 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:34.120 but I do recall things. And her first few appearances 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.359 in front of the J six Committee, she was on 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:41.600 the Trump train, being represented by a Trump loyalist, and 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:45.080 she was all about, I don't remember, I don't recall. 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.920 I don't Oh jeez, I don't know. I can't. And 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.879 then she had to look herself in the mirror, she said, 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.960 and she reached out the family, and that's a whole 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.400 other story and a very sad story. And she finally said, 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.280 I can't do this anymore. She fired Stefan. She hired 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.479 an actual lawyer who had her interests at heart. She 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.520 went back into the J six committee and she corrected 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:13.680 the record and started telling the truth. And one there 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.159 was one moment when she said, you know, when I 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:19.399 was on the Trump train. I came out and I 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:23.720 said to Stefan, oh, my effing god, I just committed 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.800 perjury because I said I didn't recall something that I 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:32.600 do recall, and he said, I can't quote it, verbade him, 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.439 but he basically said, yeah, but they you know what 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.680 they don't know what you recall and what you don't, 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.240 so don't worry about it. And then he said something 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.320 that I want to finish with because this comes back 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:48.080 to the Department of Justice and its failure to hold 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:54.120 folk accountable. He said, at one point to Cassidy Hutchinson, 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.560 while he was still her attorney, why don't you just 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:03.520 start defy the congressional subpoena because you've already appeared a 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.200 couple of times. Basically, she'd been towing the I don't 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.800 know party line. Why don't you just defy the subpoena? 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:16.360 You know why, Cassidy, Because Mark Meadows and Dan Scovino 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:21.159 defied congressional subpoenas and the Department of Justice did nothing 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.639 to them. What does that doesn't that kind of go 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:28.360 back to the whole If you stop prosecuting bank robbery, 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.960 everybody's going to jump into the bank robbery game. That 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:36.800 highlights Danielle and I can't be more emphatic about it. 0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:42.160 That highlights the danger of the Department of Justice refusing 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.639 to enforce the law against the ruling class criminals like 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:51.360 Mark Meadows and Dan Scovino, because it inspires others to say, oh, 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:55.080 they didn't get punished for defying congressional subpoenas, for hiding 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:59.320 the evidence of Donald Trump's crimes, for refusing to testify. 0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:03.320 I'm going to do that too. That's why the Department 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.840 of Justice has to enforce the damned law against the 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:11.560 ruling class criminals more importantly than frankly, the purse snatchers 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.680 or the car thieves, right, because the ruling class criminals 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.760 are the ones who do large swaths of damage to 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:27.000 our democracy. So, you know, Cassidy Hutchinson, thank goodness, came 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.600 around and told the truth, and as a result, I 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:35.400 absolutely believe you will see Jack Smith drop indictments for 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:40.560 conspiracy to tamper with witnesses like Cassidy Hutchinson. And I 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.879 was thrilled to see in the J six report that 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:47.920 they didn't just refer Donald Trump for prosecution for the insurrection, 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:52.359 which he did. They didn't just refer him for conspiracy 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.200 to defraud the United States, which he did, and they 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:59.800 didn't just refer him for obstruction of official proceedings trying 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:03.480 to stop the certification of Joe Biden's win, which they did. 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.920 They also referred him and this was the sleeper charge 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:12.679 for conspiracy to tamper with witnesses, more specifically, conspiracy to 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.719 make a false statement. That is the conspiracy he seems 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:20.560 to have been in with, at a minimum Stefan Passantino 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:24.240 to try to shut up Cassidy Hutchinson. He's going to 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:30.400 be indicted for that. I mean, Glenn, last question for you, 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:35.480 and I appreciate so much you laying out these highlights 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.240 that the fact that you know, oftentimes there isn't a 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.560 smoking gun. But I don't know how much more smoke 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.560 the Department of Justice is looking for. I really don't. 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:51.040 It's like a fucking bonfire at this point. Jack Smith 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.840 was appointed at the end of last year to be 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.479 the special counsel when we knew that the Department of 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.320 Justice didn't need a special counsel. We have been told 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.880 time and time again. Oh, he's come back to the 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:08.120 United States from the Hague. He's prosecuted war criminals, and 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.880 mobsters and all of these things, and he's not afraid 0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:16.040