Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: I come to you today with a supersized episode with
Speaker 1: my friend and our friend, Glenn Kirshner, host of Justice
Speaker 1: Matters and MSNBC Legal Analyst. We're recording this show on
Speaker 1: the actual day, January six, twenty twenty three, the two
Speaker 1: year anniversary of the insurrection, and Folks, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you that when I woke up today, I had
Speaker 1: a really the word is sad? Is grief struck? Just
Speaker 1: demoralize feeling in my soul that as we are watching
Speaker 1: the dysfunction continue need to play out on the House
Speaker 1: floor at the hands of Republican insurrectionists and anti democratic figures.
Speaker 1: All of this, all of this could have been stopped
Speaker 1: if the Department of Justice, led by Merritt Garland had
Speaker 1: done its fucking job over the last two years, had
Speaker 1: held any of the architects of the insurrection accountable, had
Speaker 1: pulled out the Republican members of Congress who provided recognisance
Speaker 1: tours to the insurrectionists and actually pointed out the offices
Speaker 1: of their colleague so that harm could come to them.
Speaker 1: If this Department of Justice had done its job, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in this current shit show that we are witnessing,
Speaker 1: which is in large amount, folks, the unraveling of our democracy. Sure,
Speaker 1: folks want to pop popcorns and send memes because you know,
Speaker 1: we need to assuage our anxiety and fear that. You
Speaker 1: know what, the insurrection still continues two years later because
Speaker 1: we have a dysfunctional, fucking Department of Justice that is
Speaker 1: too chicken shit to do its job. And so today,
Speaker 1: on this day that should be covered wall to wall,
Speaker 1: should be on every cable news station, every news station,
Speaker 1: on the front of every goddamn paper in this country,
Speaker 1: we are watching them rewrite and derace history and to
Speaker 1: make us believe that this day never happened. Well, I
Speaker 1: for one will use whatever microphone I am in front
Speaker 1: of whatever platform I am on from now until the
Speaker 1: end of fucking time to mark this day because it
Speaker 1: is one that should go down in infamy in our history.
Speaker 1: If we have the ability after twenty two years of
Speaker 1: the horrific nine to eleven attack on this country by
Speaker 1: foreign terrorists, you tell me why we can't commemorate and
Speaker 1: lift up and acknowledge the attack on our democracy by
Speaker 1: white domestic terrorists. So I, for one, choose never to
Speaker 1: forget and to honor those that defended our capital building,
Speaker 1: that defended all of the members inside, and our right
Speaker 1: to vote and our democracy every year on this day
Speaker 1: until justice is served. Coming up next, my conversation with
Speaker 1: our dear friend Glenn Kirshner. Friends, I am always very excited,
Speaker 1: particularly as we start this new year. Glenn, I cannot
Speaker 1: believe that it has been almost three years since we
Speaker 1: have been in conversation, talking about so many things over
Speaker 1: the course of the last three years. But as we
Speaker 1: enter twenty twenty three, wishing you and your family a
Speaker 1: happy new year, I am filled today. Folks. You'll listen
Speaker 1: to this on Monday, but Glenn and I are recording
Speaker 1: this on the actual anniversary of the insurrection, the two
Speaker 1: year anniversary of January sixth, and Glenn, I know before
Speaker 1: we delve in deeply into conversation, how are you feeling today?
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on how you feel
Speaker 1: waking up on this anniversary two years later. So on
Speaker 1: the one hand, I want to make sure we honor
Speaker 1: the heroes of January sixth and not only on that
Speaker 1: sort of everything surrounding Donald Trump's efforts to end our
Speaker 1: democracy and the people who stood up against it. I
Speaker 1: am thrilled that President Biden is giving a Presidential Citizens
Speaker 1: Medal not only to Capitol Police officers like Harry Dunn
Speaker 1: and Aquilino Gonnell, Metropolitan Police Department officer Mike fin Own,
Speaker 1: and importantly Georgia's state election workers Shay Moss and Ruby
Speaker 1: Freeman and others. I think we need to make sure
Speaker 1: that every year we honor their sacrifice what they did
Speaker 1: on and around January sixth. But I'm pretty disgusted that
Speaker 1: there has been not one minute of accountability for Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and his criminal associates and his co conspirators who
Speaker 1: committed crimes that would be easily proved in a court
Speaker 1: of law, and yet nothing has been done to hold
Speaker 1: them accountable. That I will never understand how we've gotten
Speaker 1: to this place where a Department of Justice that was
Speaker 1: my professional home for decades has failed in its responsibility
Speaker 1: to protect our nation and its people. You know, so
Speaker 1: I don't want to be all gloom and doom on
Speaker 1: the anniversary of January sixth, but you know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: really feel like much of an anniversary because I have
Speaker 1: yet to see any public display of the acknowledgement of
Speaker 1: the attack on our democracy on January sixth, and the
Speaker 1: fact that this is the two year anniversary. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's early in the day and we'll see something
Speaker 1: later today, but you know, the the attack on our
Speaker 1: nation on January sixth, I believe was far more damaging
Speaker 1: to the health of our republic than the attack on
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. I mean, there's no two ways about it.
Speaker 1: And yet we still seem to be in denial. And
Speaker 1: I hope as time progresses, you know, we move beyond that.
Speaker 1: You know, I woke up this morning in kind of thought,
Speaker 1: in deep thought about the way in which we have
Speaker 1: commemorated and honored the victims of nine to eleven, the
Speaker 1: heroes of nine to eleven, for the last what now
Speaker 1: it will be twenty two years. And we have no
Speaker 1: problem in this country rallying together and pointing fingers when
Speaker 1: those those that perpetrate violence against us are foreign, right,
Speaker 1: we have had no problem. We had no problem after
Speaker 1: nine to eleven rounding up Muslim Americans, right and making
Speaker 1: them register because of the acts of a few. But
Speaker 1: when it pertains to holding white Americans accountable for their violence,
Speaker 1: their anti democratic ideology. We seem not only Glenn, do
Speaker 1: we not have any laws. We don't really even have
Speaker 1: any conviction in terms of how we discuss and how
Speaker 1: we name this day. The Washington Post and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw it, but the Washington Post put
Speaker 1: out a piece and I couldn't believe it that the
Speaker 1: US Capital Visitor Center, which I'm sure you've been to,
Speaker 1: I've been through many times, has no plaque, no remembrance,
Speaker 1: no nothing as it pertains to January sixth. The tour
Speaker 1: guides that provide the tours around the Capitol Building to
Speaker 1: mark and denote all the history that is there are
Speaker 1: told to stay silent about January sixth because it's too
Speaker 1: quote unquote political. So I'm just wondering, you know, as
Speaker 1: as somebody who lives in the DMV area, as somebody
Speaker 1: like myself who has worked inside of government and believes
Speaker 1: in its structures and believes in history and the constitution,
Speaker 1: what does it say that we are, in real time
Speaker 1: watching the whitewashing and erasure and the rewrite of this
Speaker 1: monumental day. You know, it says that we are a
Speaker 1: nation in decline. That's what it says, Danielle, Because not
Speaker 1: only are we whitewashing it, not only are we failing
Speaker 1: to acknowledge it, but we are also in the process
Speaker 1: of reinstalling in Congress insurrectionists, the very people who aided
Speaker 1: and embedded and gave aid and comfort to and some
Speaker 1: who engaged in insurrection. If and when the Congress can, ever,
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives, can ever elect a speaker, those
Speaker 1: insurrectionists will be sworn into Congress. Again, let me just
Speaker 1: read twenty five or thirty words from the fourteenth Amendment
Speaker 1: to the Constitution, because they're unequivocal, and if there's anybody
Speaker 1: that loves them some strict construction of the Constitution, it's
Speaker 1: the Republicans. Yeah, So let's let's read what the Constitution
Speaker 1: says about the members of Congress or the members elect
Speaker 1: who are about to be sworn in, who engaged in insurrection.
Speaker 1: No person shall be a representative in Congress who, having
Speaker 1: previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the
Speaker 1: United States, shall have engaged in insurrection. That is not
Speaker 1: may might can, that is shall, Danielle. The Constitution prohibits
Speaker 1: insurrectionists from being sworn in to Congress. What what is
Speaker 1: our government going to do about that? Are they going
Speaker 1: to passively let you know, members of Congress who were
Speaker 1: elected after having engaged in insurrection be sworn in so
Speaker 1: they can continue to destroy us from the inside. That
Speaker 1: is so far beyond us refusing to acknowledge in capital
Speaker 1: tours that the insurrection even happened. That is us, the
Speaker 1: people who are not doing anything about it, basically continuing
Speaker 1: to give aid and comfort to the insurrection. I don't
Speaker 1: understand any of this. I don't understand any of it.
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't help too, but think to myself,
Speaker 1: because not only are these insurrectionists being sworn in, these
Speaker 1: are people there, And I want folks to remember this
Speaker 1: is not just These are not just people that stood
Speaker 1: up on a dais and repeated Donald Trump's treason as
Speaker 1: talking points. These are people that gave recognisance tours inside
Speaker 1: of the Capitol Building to point out the offices and
Speaker 1: the spaces that their colleagues held so that harm would
Speaker 1: be brought to them. That's what I want people to remember.
Speaker 1: That I think is just entirely glossed over. They knowingly
Speaker 1: gave tours well aware of what was coming the following day.
Speaker 1: Because of all of the chatter that had been happening
Speaker 1: in their own feeds on these social media sites, in
Speaker 1: their chat groups, they knew what kind of harm and
Speaker 1: damage could be brought. And these are the people that
Speaker 1: right now, Glenn have But I don't know who voted,
Speaker 1: and I don't know who gave the direction to remove
Speaker 1: metal detectors all around the house floor that we're put
Speaker 1: there after the insurrection in order to keep members, all
Speaker 1: members safe. I don't trust any of these people to
Speaker 1: not do what happened to Harvey Milk so many decades
Speaker 1: ago and be shot dead by one of your colleagues.
Speaker 1: It's you know, I think that because we are not
Speaker 1: talking about this, because we are not naming this, because
Speaker 1: we're not embedding it as a part of our history.
Speaker 1: My feeling, Glenn, is that what we saw on January six,
Speaker 1: two years ago, was indeed address rehearsal, and that I
Speaker 1: don't know if it is, you know, as had said,
Speaker 1: a lack of imagination on the part of the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice, the FBI and whomember else, or if it
Speaker 1: is just going along for the get along because they
Speaker 1: too want to see the demise of our democracy. You've
Speaker 1: worked inside of this the Department of Justice for three decades,
Speaker 1: and I have been told on so many occasions that
Speaker 1: we need to just be patient. Tell me, has the
Speaker 1: patients run out yet? Oh? It ran out for me
Speaker 1: a long time ago. You know, once you have probable
Speaker 1: cause to believe someone has committed a crime. Now, mind you,
Speaker 1: we have that back during the Mullah Report and even
Speaker 1: before for things like campaign finance crimes that Donald Trump committed.
Speaker 1: Once you have probable cause, you have a responsibility. You
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to assess each and every day whether
Speaker 1: you need to make an arrest because there is a danger,
Speaker 1: there's a da you're in leaving folk out in the
Speaker 1: community like Donald Trump after you know, he tried to
Speaker 1: kill our democracy, and yet they've left him out in
Speaker 1: the community month after month, year after year, and you
Speaker 1: see the result. He continues to tweet lies about you know,
Speaker 1: those two women down in Georgia who were simply trying
Speaker 1: to serve as election workers and were doing their honest best,
Speaker 1: and he put their names out there and their lives
Speaker 1: were threatened. And just when you think Danielle It had
Speaker 1: calmed down, he re ups what he knows to be
Speaker 1: lies about those women, puts them back in harm's way
Speaker 1: in the Department of Justice has failed has failed to
Speaker 1: protect them. By holding Donald Trump accountable for his crimes,
Speaker 1: they are enabling the very crimes Donald Trump continues to commit. Danielle,
Speaker 1: It would be no different if the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: said we're done prosecuting bank robbers. What would that do?
Speaker 1: It would inspire all kinds of people to jump into
Speaker 1: the bank robbery game. When they refuse to prosecute ruling
Speaker 1: class criminals for trying to kill our democracy, they're sending
Speaker 1: the signal to the round the santisis of the world
Speaker 1: a sport. You get to do it all over again
Speaker 1: to unlawfully retain power because we ain't holding Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and company accountable for it, so we're giving you permission
Speaker 1: to do it. This is not rocket science. This is
Speaker 1: law enforcement and good government. One oh one. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how our country has fallen so far, so fast.
Speaker 1: I mean it, really, it is really shocking. When we
Speaker 1: think about two hundred and forty plus years of this
Speaker 1: country's independence and you think about the rot that has
Speaker 1: has been born out of the last seven it is
Speaker 1: really shocking to think just how fragile our democracy is.
Speaker 1: And you know, Glenn, before the holiday, before the break,
Speaker 1: and before the new year, the January sixth Committee had
Speaker 1: to wrap up, and because of the razor thin margin
Speaker 1: that the Republicans won, that they clearly as of right now,
Speaker 1: as of this taping, have had eleven votes for Speaker
Speaker 1: and eleven failures on the part of Kevin McCarthy, eleven
Speaker 1: failures on the part of the Republican Party, and eleven
Speaker 1: failures towards keeping our country safe. And we just continue
Speaker 1: to go on. They release their final report, which laid
Speaker 1: out their reasoning, their evidence behind the four criminal referrals
Speaker 1: that they have provided to the Department of Justice. I
Speaker 1: know that you haven't read the entirety of this voluminous report,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to give you space to offer some
Speaker 1: of the highlights because I know that right before the
Speaker 1: break and during the break, you were speaking about the
Speaker 1: report it's importance and the importance of these referrals. That again,
Speaker 1: seven years prior to Donald Trump, this would have been
Speaker 1: wall to wall coverage news day in and day out.
Speaker 1: But we know in the current climate, Nixon would have
Speaker 1: gotten off and probably lived out a second term so
Speaker 1: tell us some of the highlights that you have seen
Speaker 1: and read from the report. Yeah, so let me hit
Speaker 1: three things, Danielle. First of all, we're forever conditioned to
Speaker 1: look for the smoking gun, the blockbuster piece of evidence. Right,
Speaker 1: That's why we watch Law and Order, forever read crime
Speaker 1: fiction novels. I'm a crime fiction junkie. It's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: The reality is, in my thirty years prosecuting cases, I
Speaker 1: rarely had a smoking gun or a blockbuster piece of evidence.
Speaker 1: I built cases on a thousand points of circumstantial evidence
Speaker 1: that I had to pull together for the jury into
Speaker 1: one cohesive picture. It's a picture of guilt beyond a
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. So first of all, Donald Trump and his
Speaker 1: criminal associates understand the value of flooding the zone because
Speaker 1: when everything is criminal, then nothing, no one thing persuades people.
Speaker 1: Right that, because there is the missing smoking gun. The
Speaker 1: reality is all of the evidence in there is smoking guns.
Speaker 1: I mean, Donald Trump is shrouded in gun smoke and
Speaker 1: will always be shrouded in gun smoke. But first of all,
Speaker 1: the one overarching observation about the report is it is
Speaker 1: like what we call a case impression memo, a prosecution report,
Speaker 1: because all of the evidence that you need to convict
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his co conspirators are right there in
Speaker 1: black and white in the report. The only impediment to
Speaker 1: a Trump conviction right now is a Trump indictment. All
Speaker 1: we need is an indictment. We walk into court, we
Speaker 1: firmly plant our feet in the well, and we argue
Speaker 1: to twelve citizens in a jury box sitting as the
Speaker 1: conscience of the community, and they will vote guilty. They
Speaker 1: will vote guilty as long as we can impanel a
Speaker 1: fair and impartial jury, and I believe we can for
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. Here are some of that. So
Speaker 1: that's the overarching observation about the report. Let me use
Speaker 1: two pieces of the report to compare and contrast two
Speaker 1: things that we learned from two people inside Trump world.
Speaker 1: One is Hope Picks and one is Cassidy Hutchinson. Let
Speaker 1: me start with Hope Picks. Hope Hicks, who was a
Speaker 1: long time Donald Trump loyalist, a member of his inner circle,
Speaker 1: who knew she could be so compelling because in just
Speaker 1: a couple of text messages that she sent on January,
Speaker 1: as is revealed in the report, she tells us everything
Speaker 1: we need to know about the Trump administration and the insurrection.
Speaker 1: She on January sixth, while the attack on the Capitol
Speaker 1: was ongoing, she said, Oh my god, now everybody is
Speaker 1: going to look at us like domestic terrorists. Check. That's
Speaker 1: because the Trump administration launched the attack on our democracy,
Speaker 1: and they are domestic terrorists. So what she announced, number
Speaker 1: one is that everybody on the inside Trump's in her
Speaker 1: circle knew Trump was responsible for the insurrection too. She said,
Speaker 1: the only people that will have us now for speaking
Speaker 1: engagements are the Proud Boys. So she announced who Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's allies were in the insurrection, A white supremacist nationalist group,
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys. Check. And then she said something that
Speaker 1: is in some ways even more disturbing than those first
Speaker 1: two things, because we already knew those first two things.
Speaker 1: She said, while police officers were being attacked, while they
Speaker 1: were looking to hang Mike Pence, while they were hunting
Speaker 1: for Nancy Pelosi and our other lawmakers, Hope Hicks said, man,
Speaker 1: I am never going to be able to get a
Speaker 1: job again in the future. She was more concerned about
Speaker 1: her own job prospects than she cared about the people
Speaker 1: putting their lives on the line at the US Capitol.
Speaker 1: So what that shows us is that Trump and his
Speaker 1: inner circle were never there to serve the public. They
Speaker 1: wanted to know how the public can serve them and
Speaker 1: their interests financial and otherwise. That's the takeaway from Hope
Speaker 1: Hicks text messages on January sixth. Let's go to Cassidy
Speaker 1: Hutchinson because she was also part of Trump World. She
Speaker 1: was Mark Meadows right hand, you know, Gal Friday, and
Speaker 1: she saw a lot of what was going on in
Speaker 1: the Oval Office and in the area surrounding the Oval Office.
Speaker 1: And first of all, Trump World forced a lawyer on her,
Speaker 1: the guy named Yestefahn Passantino get this for Irony, a
Speaker 1: White House ethics counsel, and she kept asking him, Stefan,
Speaker 1: who the hell's paying for you? Because you're my lawyer,
Speaker 1: but I'm not paying for you. He wouldn't tell her.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't tell her that it was a Trump pack,
Speaker 1: a Trump affiliated organization that was paying for him. He
Speaker 1: did tell her at one point, listen, we are here
Speaker 1: to focus on protecting the president, do you know That's
Speaker 1: what her lawyer said to her, not that we are
Speaker 1: here to protect you and make sure you don't go
Speaker 1: to jail, but we're here to protect the president. Focusing
Speaker 1: on protecting the president, do you know what a legal
Speaker 1: transgression that is for a lawyer to represent the interests
Speaker 1: of somebody other than his client. I mean, that's an
Speaker 1: instantly desborable offense. But setting that aside because he's got
Speaker 1: criminal exposure, in my opinion, He then was urging her.
Speaker 1: You know, you can say you don't recall things. She's like,
Speaker 1: but I do recall things. And her first few appearances
Speaker 1: in front of the J six Committee, she was on
Speaker 1: the Trump train, being represented by a Trump loyalist, and
Speaker 1: she was all about, I don't remember, I don't recall.
Speaker 1: I don't Oh jeez, I don't know. I can't. And
Speaker 1: then she had to look herself in the mirror, she said,
Speaker 1: and she reached out the family, and that's a whole
Speaker 1: other story and a very sad story. And she finally said,
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. She fired Stefan. She hired
Speaker 1: an actual lawyer who had her interests at heart. She
Speaker 1: went back into the J six committee and she corrected
Speaker 1: the record and started telling the truth. And one there
Speaker 1: was one moment when she said, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was on the Trump train. I came out and I
Speaker 1: said to Stefan, oh, my effing god, I just committed
Speaker 1: perjury because I said I didn't recall something that I
Speaker 1: do recall, and he said, I can't quote it, verbade him,
Speaker 1: but he basically said, yeah, but they you know what
Speaker 1: they don't know what you recall and what you don't,
Speaker 1: so don't worry about it. And then he said something
Speaker 1: that I want to finish with because this comes back
Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice and its failure to hold
Speaker 1: folk accountable. He said, at one point to Cassidy Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: while he was still her attorney, why don't you just
Speaker 1: start defy the congressional subpoena because you've already appeared a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Basically, she'd been towing the I don't
Speaker 1: know party line. Why don't you just defy the subpoena?
Speaker 1: You know why, Cassidy, Because Mark Meadows and Dan Scovino
Speaker 1: defied congressional subpoenas and the Department of Justice did nothing
Speaker 1: to them. What does that doesn't that kind of go
Speaker 1: back to the whole If you stop prosecuting bank robbery,
Speaker 1: everybody's going to jump into the bank robbery game. That
Speaker 1: highlights Danielle and I can't be more emphatic about it.
Speaker 1: That highlights the danger of the Department of Justice refusing
Speaker 1: to enforce the law against the ruling class criminals like
Speaker 1: Mark Meadows and Dan Scovino, because it inspires others to say, oh,
Speaker 1: they didn't get punished for defying congressional subpoenas, for hiding
Speaker 1: the evidence of Donald Trump's crimes, for refusing to testify.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that too. That's why the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice has to enforce the damned law against the
Speaker 1: ruling class criminals more importantly than frankly, the purse snatchers
Speaker 1: or the car thieves, right, because the ruling class criminals
Speaker 1: are the ones who do large swaths of damage to
Speaker 1: our democracy. So, you know, Cassidy Hutchinson, thank goodness, came
Speaker 1: around and told the truth, and as a result, I
Speaker 1: absolutely believe you will see Jack Smith drop indictments for
Speaker 1: conspiracy to tamper with witnesses like Cassidy Hutchinson. And I
Speaker 1: was thrilled to see in the J six report that
Speaker 1: they didn't just refer Donald Trump for prosecution for the insurrection,
Speaker 1: which he did. They didn't just refer him for conspiracy
Speaker 1: to defraud the United States, which he did, and they
Speaker 1: didn't just refer him for obstruction of official proceedings trying
Speaker 1: to stop the certification of Joe Biden's win, which they did.
Speaker 1: They also referred him and this was the sleeper charge
Speaker 1: for conspiracy to tamper with witnesses, more specifically, conspiracy to
Speaker 1: make a false statement. That is the conspiracy he seems
Speaker 1: to have been in with, at a minimum Stefan Passantino
Speaker 1: to try to shut up Cassidy Hutchinson. He's going to
Speaker 1: be indicted for that. I mean, Glenn, last question for you,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate so much you laying out these highlights
Speaker 1: that the fact that you know, oftentimes there isn't a
Speaker 1: smoking gun. But I don't know how much more smoke
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice is looking for. I really don't.
Speaker 1: It's like a fucking bonfire at this point. Jack Smith
Speaker 1: was appointed at the end of last year to be
Speaker 1: the special counsel when we knew that the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice didn't need a special counsel. We have been told
Speaker 1: time and time again. Oh, he's come back to the
Speaker 1: United States from the Hague. He's prosecuted war criminals, and
Speaker 1: mobsters and all of these things, and he's not afraid
Speaker 1: to lose. I mean, I am running out of faith
Speaker 1: right as I know that you are, because I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember you telling all of us be patient. This
Speaker 1: is going to take time. We want to get this right,
Speaker 1: all of these things. And here we sit two years later,
Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty three, Glenn. Are we saying that this
Speaker 1: is going to be the year? And if it's not,
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume then it will never be because
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is the presidential election. Yeah, we have
Speaker 1: hero fatigue, Danielle. I think both you and I have
Speaker 1: hero fatigue. I don't have a lot of heroes. I
Speaker 1: am exactly one picture on my desk in a frame.
Speaker 1: And to the extent I have any heroes, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is maybe the guy Abe Lincoln. That's it. So yes,
Speaker 1: I worked for Bob Muller. I looked up to Bob Muller.
Speaker 1: I learned from Bob Muller, and I had high hopes
Speaker 1: for Bob Muller's report. I think when you read the report,
Speaker 1: let's never forget that he documented several felony crimes committed
Speaker 1: by Donald Trump of obstruction of justice. And he handed
Speaker 1: it to Bill Barr, and Bill Barr lied about it
Speaker 1: and basically killed any opportunity for Trump to be held
Speaker 1: accountable by his lies. That's one of the reasons the
Speaker 1: Republicans in the Senate killed all of the other opportunities
Speaker 1: to hold Trump accountable politically in the impeachment trial. So,
Speaker 1: I you know, Bob Muller, I don't believe let the
Speaker 1: country down the way some people now come to argue
Speaker 1: he did, because he gave and don't forget he said.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, Trump could be indicted the
Speaker 1: day he leaves office, and nobody has done that. That's
Speaker 1: not Bob Muller's sport fault. I'm not here arguing that
Speaker 1: he did the perfect job. I'm arguing this is why
Speaker 1: I have hero fatigue. I thought Mueller would bring it home.
Speaker 1: I think he was prevented from bringing it home. I
Speaker 1: thought Merrick Garland, given his history, given his backstory, given
Speaker 1: his work as a prosecutor and his twenty four years
Speaker 1: as a judge, and the fact that both Obama and
Speaker 1: Biden credited this man as the right man for first
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and then the Department of Justice, how
Speaker 1: can that not give you confidence. How can it not
Speaker 1: give you confidence? If it was Mitch McConnell and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Lindsey Graham saying Merrick Garland's the right man
Speaker 1: from the job, I would say, everybody run in the
Speaker 1: other direction away from Merrick Garland, because you know he
Speaker 1: can't be trusted and we were let down. Yep, we've
Speaker 1: been let down. I'm not prepared to say, Jack Smith,
Speaker 1: here we go. Third times a charm? How many times
Speaker 1: you're gonna fool us? Right? However, if anybody has the
Speaker 1: actual bona fide days in recent history, not ancient history,
Speaker 1: like Merrick Garland twenty five years before four he was
Speaker 1: nominated to be ag you know, the guy is not
Speaker 1: only a war crimes prosecutor, but he goes after political criminals,
Speaker 1: criminal politicians, and he has prosecuted them over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. Left, right and center, right, Bob Menendez,
Speaker 1: Bob McDonald, John Edwards, that Arizona Republican representative who he
Speaker 1: convicted of bribery, CIA officer for compromising classified materials, over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over. I mean you can
Speaker 1: look at his body of work and say it's there,
Speaker 1: it is verifiable. And I love that he's lost some
Speaker 1: cases and won some cases because he's not afraid to
Speaker 1: take politically charged cases that are really difficult to prove.
Speaker 1: Give me a prosecutor who is fearless, a real without
Speaker 1: fear or favor guy or gal. That's who I want
Speaker 1: to be in the prosecutorial trenches with fighting shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, Danielle. If twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: isn't the year, and if Jack Smith isn't the guy,
Speaker 1: then our republic is limping toward extinction, and better republics
Speaker 1: than us have fallen. We can fall to if we
Speaker 1: don't take seriously the responsibility to hold the ruling class
Speaker 1: criminals accountable. At least Jack Smith has shown he has
Speaker 1: tried to hold ruling class criminals accountable, including senators who
Speaker 1: are running for president of the United States like Bob Edwards.
Speaker 1: So he's our last best shot. Yeah, Glenn, you know,
Speaker 1: I tell you that I really appreciate your insight, and
Speaker 1: I actually and I really appreciate you today Again, folks
Speaker 1: who were recording this on the anniversary of January sixth
Speaker 1: to two year anniversary, because frankly, I don't know if
Speaker 1: anyone else is going to have an in depth conversation
Speaker 1: about the real danger that this country remains in today,
Speaker 1: which is going to be a tragedy. So Glenn, thank
Speaker 1: you as always for joining Woke app and sharing your
Speaker 1: analysis and your passion for the law and for justice.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you. Thanks, Danielle, I'll see you next week.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke App.
Speaker 1: As always, power to the people and to all the people. Power,
Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.