1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Trancesca Albaneza. Is this you and special rapportaire on the 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories, Francaska, thank 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: you very much for being with us on Bloomberg Radio. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: You're speaking to us from Tinisia. But I'd like to 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: hear what you're hearing from the ground in Gaza. Given 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: that increasing death tone and the territory that we've been 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: hearing about. 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: There is a cry for help. 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: There is a lot of desperation that becomes more and 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: more or other less and less audible because I've lost 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: contact with many in the in the Gaza street, there 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: are people with no electricity. When we say no electricity, 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: no food, no water, no. 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: Medicine, we are. 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: Talking of a way to lead people to star vision 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: and death. At the moment they're being bombed incessantly. And 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: people who have gone through six major wars. Because six 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: major wars having occurred in the in the Gaza strip 19 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 3: during the period of the unlawful blockade Israel as maintained 20 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: over Gazas in two thousand and seven, no one, no one, 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: Palestinian and internationals like no one has ever seen this ferocity. 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: So what I what I hear is the as I. 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 3: Said, is a crime for for help, for for recognition 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: of the humanity. Let me say something. I hear statements 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: that are very worrisome, to say the least, wiping wiping 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: off Hamas from earth, that that that is something that 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: is not happening. What's happening is that they are destroying 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: part of the Palestinian population as we speak. And this 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: this leads us to consider the level, the level of 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: criminal responsibility behind this action. 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: Francesca Luzie here, thank you so much for joining us. 32 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 4: I want to ask you about the people who've been 33 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 4: displaced by the strikes and the latest on where these 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: people are going. 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: What I've seen in the coming days and again this morning, 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: I couldn't reach out any anyone for an update, but 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: what I've seen where people carrying injured bodies or dead 38 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: bodies and running from a place to another without any 39 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 3: any safe heaven because there are there is nowhere to hide. 40 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: From the bombs. 41 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: In Gaza, it's forty three kilometers per twelve square kilometers sorry, 42 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: which contains two point three million people. 43 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 2: It's the most crowded. 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: Area in the world, and half of the two point 45 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: three million people are children. 46 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: They are not even They have not even. 47 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: Turned eighty and they've endured six major wars. So I 48 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: think that this is the situation we need to imagine. 49 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: As I said, they ran from one place to another 50 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 3: in a chaos, desperation, and confusion. 51 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate that communications has been difficult to get information 52 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: out of Gaza, but I'm wondering about how much warning 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: is being given about any of these strikes. And we 54 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: spoke to these really defense forces. They said that they 55 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: were trying to warn about some of the strikes where possible, 56 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: though acknowledging that they weren't doing it in every case. 57 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: I wonder what you've heard about that. 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: I've heard that few families received a call saying, you're 59 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: alerted that your building is going to be bombed, and 60 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: then the next building was bombed. But also, let's I mean, 61 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: let's put things in context. Israel is being entire residential buildings, markets, hospital, schools, churches, mosques. 62 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: There is no proportionality, no distinction, no precaution here. All 63 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 3: I know about international humanitarian law is being violated. This 64 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: is not unprecedented, because I've seen these for as long 65 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: as I've been dealing with the question of the occupied 66 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: Palestine and territory. I used to live there and I've 67 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: seen this happening before, but not with these rage and 68 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: this intensity, not at any point before Franceasca. 69 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: We were told yesterday by Mustafa Barguti, who leads the 70 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 4: Palestinian National Initiative, that white phosphorus is being used. We've 71 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: not had any independent verification of this, but can you 72 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: confirm that that's the case. 73 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: I cannot. 74 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 3: I've been looking into it and I was not able 75 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: to confirm it yet. 76 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: White phosphorus, which. 77 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: Is a chemical prohibited chemical weapon with a highly destructive impact, 78 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: has been used before, surely during cast Leg operation, and 79 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: I have heard and I've seen videos, but I cannot 80 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: it's not verified, and so I refrain from commenting on that. 81 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: Israel has been telling people to leave Gaza, but it's 82 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: unclear whether any of the access routes to Egypt are 83 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: actually open. What's your understanding of the situation? Can anyone 84 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: get in and out of Gaza at the moment, not that. 85 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: I know of the Rapa crossing was I can't remember 86 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: now with sorry because it looks it looks like a 87 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 3: long day that started on Saturday. 88 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: I lost the sense of time. But the rough bomb. 89 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: The crossing has been bombed, so I'm not sure it 90 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: has started to refunction. But in any case, Egypt has 91 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: said that he doesn't want to open an evannither in corridor. 92 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean, this is what I heard, which is also shocking. 93 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: This Israel's responsibility in this situation is significant, but I 94 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: also see the total absence of a responsible action of 95 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: the international community, including the the rat world. I mean, 96 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: we always claim the West, and I ask yes, but 97 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: what about the rest. 98 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: Fantasca? What do you see as the way out here? 99 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 3: I think that it's absolutely urgent that the United Nations 100 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Security Council takes responsibility and acts according to the u 101 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: N Charter. It's a fundamental to call for us IS fire, 102 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: to negotiate this fire, which helps the hostility and prevents 103 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: a further loss of life and the further destruction of essential, essential. 104 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: Infrastructure. It's also urgent to open the I. 105 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 3: Mean, as I said, Gaza was already under located and 106 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: humanitarian crisis, but it's necessary to let medicines, water, electricity 107 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: and food into Gaza now. And then of course it's 108 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: necessary also. I mean, I'm very concerned for the hostages 109 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: the Israeli hostages. 110 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: They are there, and they're there. 111 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: With the with the Palestinians under the bombs. So what's 112 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: going on? It's absolutely crazy. I mean I I hear 113 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: saying that that Hamasi is using the hostages as human shields. 114 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: I've not seen evidence of it. I mean, in my 115 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: there is an investigation on going by the Commissioner inquiry. 116 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: But at the same time, while while Israeli scarpet bombing 117 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: the gas strip again. 118 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: I say, is there is there a way. 119 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: To protect also Israeli citizens from this uh, from this 120 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: horror and there is no? Okay? 121 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: Fantastica Ivan you a special rapporte the situation of human 122 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: rights in the Palestinian territories. Thank you very much for 123 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: joining us on the program this morning and giving us 124 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: a picture as we can establish it of what is 125 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: happening in Gaza as those air strikes from Israeli jets 126 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: continue this morning as well. Francesca Albanesi there speaking to 127 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: us from Tunisia this morning.