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Speaker 1: you and Steve Rifkin and said, hey, we're flying down

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Speaker 1: to listen to the new Akon ALM. It was me

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Speaker 1: So was that an extortion play?

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Speaker 1: It felt it felt like we were It felt like

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Speaker 1: And I won't name it anything because they're going through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens a lot in the in the business,

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Speaker 2: how to avoid Yeah, not to entertain it, but to

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Speaker 2: I stopped lowing like, okay, this this is something. I

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Speaker 2: Another person, another extortionist that you don't know.

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Speaker 2: I said, I said, no, I pay who I need

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Speaker 2: He said, hey, man, listen his I want you to do. No, no,

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Speaker 2: Later on fast forward, the same guy, all this incident

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Speaker 2: Here in the a No, it happened at all stars knock.

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Speaker 2: Now what you just did? You just you spark the

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Speaker 2: I said, let me just pick it up. I don't

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Speaker 2: So they was boxing me. They was trying to box

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Speaker 2: So I ended up going over to Little Ronnie's house,

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Speaker 2: he kept saying, yeah, the vine. I don't really have

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Speaker 2: So I listened. I listened to everything. He got into

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Speaker 1: Where those records are, Man, I haven't how many R.

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Speaker 2: Your I probably got I probably got a thousand.

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Speaker 1: Man the fun out of here, Man, I.

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Speaker 2: Probably got a thousand. I got trapped in the closet,

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Speaker 1: Divine statements. You have a thousand R. Kelly RECs that

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Speaker 1: he recorded over there at your spot. What you gonna

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day. I think,

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Speaker 2: You know, the girls, and you know the women and

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Speaker 2: out to all of that. But I don't know what R.

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Speaker 2: don't know what you do behind closed doors, and you

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Speaker 2: you don't know the level of my freakiness. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and nobody knows. Right, So I never

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Speaker 2: private in that sense. And if you talk to any

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Speaker 2: away from each other. Everybody's kind of separate, you know,

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Speaker 1: Us the time, and we've been in this zish we

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Speaker 2: On, I mean, you always saw you saw women and

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Speaker 2: like it was like, you know what, man, don't want

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Speaker 2: But it was never like we sitting there entertaining at

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Speaker 1: When he what kind of term? Have you talked to

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Speaker 2: I haven't had a conversation with r Kelly, you know,

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Speaker 2: everything is for a circle. Yeah, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Call it whatever. You can call it carme or you

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Speaker 2: Well, one thing I can say. I can say that

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Speaker 2: You're not going to gain any value. You did the

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Speaker 2: best that you could do. And then I let it go,

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Speaker 2: Let the two point five million goal, let the hate god,

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Speaker 2: let the anger go. And I sent a letter over

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Speaker 2: to the attorney saying, you know, I request my money,

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Speaker 1: You don't have no money.

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Speaker 2: No, they sent something back saying, mister Kelly, say don't

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Speaker 2: in line. And my attorney said, you will be spending

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Speaker 2: about two hundred and fifty thousand going down a rabbit

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Speaker 1: WHOA. Now, you and Puff used to be real, real tight.

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Speaker 1: I saw how y'all moved around and all that. And

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Speaker 1: What's our relationship like? Now? I just saw y'all ever vote, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: He hit me up when he came to town. You know,

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Speaker 2: we we chopping it up. We're trying to figure out, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out you know what the next

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Speaker 2: move is you know, a lot has happened, you know,

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Speaker 2: what created y'all going separate. I think it was just success, man,

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Speaker 2: it was success. You know, he sees it a certain way.

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Speaker 2: And I and you know, and I was trying to

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Speaker 2: that's like anything, you know, It's like he you know,

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Speaker 2: it's good when you providing the service, you know, but

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Speaker 2: So we both matured in that space and hopefully we

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Speaker 2: is like, man, it's like it's like belichicking and Tom Brady. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then right now, you know when I tell you man,

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Speaker 1: I set back and I used to watch you on puffing,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, y'all y'all together, y'all ship man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we we did a lot for the culture. And

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Speaker 2: like right now, I'm just I'm just so happy that

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Speaker 2: music because for me, it you know, it got so

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00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: dark that I almost lost that passion for music because

432
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: I poured so much into people, and as I was

433
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: pouring into people, I wasn't getting a return, or I

434
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: felt like I wasn't getting a return, you know. But

435
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: then I felt like God isolated me so I can

436
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: get to him, so I can have a better understanding

437
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: that the gift wasn't mine in the first place. It

438
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: was for me to share. And so I'm cool with that.

439
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: I found peace. I made peace with myself. It was

440
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: more about me than it was about Yeah, it was

441
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: more about me than anything that I've been through because

442
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you can get caught up in the

443
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: perception of what you think something is versus the way

444
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: something should be. And you know, Gods showed me some

445
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: things and then he started protecting me from things. And

446
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: sometimes the protection comes in the form of no.

447
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: Shum y'all hear these gems, man, It's a story time

448
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,000
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449
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: by iHeart. I got my brother Devine Stevens here, look

450
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: Len with everything is that that you've been going through

451
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. How's your mental health with

452
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: your brother passing a few years ago? I know I

453
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: know about grief as far as Lady Drew, I was

454
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: a motherly figure, that was your business partner. How's your

455
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: mental health right now? Well? You always undercout you always

456
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: every time I see you, man, we laughed, Joe Pimp

457
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: tight hug your energy.

458
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: Man.

459
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: You always you know, you always got good spirit, good

460
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: energy man. But I know a lot of times I

461
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: know from balance anxiety myself that you know, we'll be

462
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: going through it, like you just mentioned it, going through

463
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: some dark times. But I know with your brother, you know,

464
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: how how's everything with the situation you know, with your

465
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: brother passed, and how's your mental health?

466
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Well, that's a you know, it's an ongoing work in

467
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: progress type thing, you know. I think for for for

468
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: a while, I kind of like step back, you know,

469
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: and just starting to just now come out even feel

470
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: like talking about anything. But I had to realize that

471
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 2: and what I stand doing right now today is that

472
00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: last time I made this lap around the track, I

473
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: didn't bring God with me. But this time he's with me.

474
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: So when I go now it's not it's not me

475
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: going to see what Jerry Clark has going on. It's

476
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: me going to see what God has for me. So

477
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: that's the difference, you know what I mean. So that's

478
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: why I can receive Jerry Clark now, because before, when

479
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: it was dark, I couldn't receive certain people because it's

480
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: all industry related, and you lump it together because just

481
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: because we're in the industry doesn't mean that there's a

482
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: union within the community. The community is divided. And then

483
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: I have to get I have to get back to purpose.

484
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 2: In order to get to my purpose, I had to

485
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: find God. Hey man, brother, And now that I have

486
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: that peace, I'm back. I'm back with a whole new

487
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: understanding and I'm back.

488
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: And that's the dangerous divine Stevens.

489
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so far as my brother goes, it's like,

490
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, I lost my childhood hero in prison. You know,

491
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: he served thirty three years before it's passing. He died

492
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 2: in prison of an overdose. So I don't know how

493
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: that works. I don't know how it played out.

494
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: I don't know.

495
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: I didn't dig too deep into it. I know God

496
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: has his own method, but only that I can tell

497
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: you is when they delivered my brother too on Cascade,

498
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: I think I forget.

499
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: The Murray I'm not Murray bro.

500
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: I forget the funeral home. I wanted to give him

501
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: a shout out to but I'm drawing a blaze. It's

502
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: gonna come to me. And those are my people over

503
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: there too. I'm sorry about that. Murray brothers NA it's

504
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: on castcade of blank, but I want to give them

505
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: a shout out. But when they when they rolled my

506
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: brother over there, I was standing outside our I was

507
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: waiting all day, you know. They said the cardinal said

508
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: we're going to bring him that way. So I was

509
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 2: out there probably an hour ahead of time, and a

510
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: sense of joy came over me because it was the

511
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: first time that I seen.

512
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: Him free in thirty three years.

513
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: In thirty three years, so and I know God got

514
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: a plan and I and and I can't say that,

515
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: you know, serving three consecutive life centers for a crime

516
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: he didn't commit, you know, no evidence, no DNA, only hearsay.

517
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: And at the time, being from Red Oak Housing Project,

518
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: we had no money. So going to try with a

519
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: public defender was you know, it was tough, and this

520
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: was it was weird. Because it happened in nineteen ninety

521
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: while he was on trial. I was doing my deal

522
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: with Little Face Records, So to see him free Cascade,

523
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: whatever I met. My mom had just saw him two

524
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: weeks before that, and he didn't look well. But this

525
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: was like kind of right up the COVID. So I'm thinking, like, okay,

526
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: you all right, you know, you know, and he just

527
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: you know, he just wasn't himself. So even when my

528
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: mom we were sitting there, we both was trying to

529
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: hide our tears. She would get up and go to

530
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: the to the vending machine. She crying over at the

531
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: vending machine because he didn't look like, you know, he

532
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: was He looked like he was done with it. It

533
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: didn't looked like he was doing time. It looked like

534
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: the time had started doing him.

535
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

536
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: And you know, my brother is a real warrior. So

537
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: it's like like, you know, this is Changin Shane. He

538
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: can handle this prison thing. But it took a toll

539
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: on him. And uh and it definitely was taking a

540
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: toll on my mom. You know, that's that's my mom's

541
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: favorite child. I always say that, you know, she begged

542
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: the different now, you know, because you know, you know,

543
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: I handle all my responsibility, but but that was a

544
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: favorite child. That was that was her first born. You know,

545
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm the second, you know, I'm the second. She actually

546
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: probably wanted a girl, but there was another boy.

547
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: You know.

548
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, big shots out to my mom

549
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: because you know my mom, you know, single mom. You

550
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: know my mom you know, raised us, uh, you know,

551
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: pretty much by herself, you know, in red, red old house,

552
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: in red old house and projects. You know. Then I actually,

553
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: you know, she she met a man and had to

554
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: you know how a step father. And yeah, she met

555
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: a man, step father. When she met him, I thought, like,

556
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: you know, the man was gonna come in and he

557
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: was gonna take us out of the projects. Homeboy moved

558
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: in with us. Man and uh, man, we hated that man.

559
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: We hated that and we gave that man. I mean,

560
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: we gave that man pure hell. He passed away.

561
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Man.

562
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: We gave him hell. And uh he was giving us

563
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: hell too. He was you know, he was from the

564
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: military whatever. And he came in the Yeah, I thought

565
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: he was coming to add value.

566
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: Man.

567
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: My man came in and he used to walk around

568
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: the house with his gun on him, you know. And

569
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: we didn't have guns back then. We looking at him

570
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: like like, man, you know what, we're gonna get you

571
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: in your sleep, bro, Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

572
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: So he was yeah, yeah, he was abusive, and you know,

573
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: my mom was taking it ship.

574
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

575
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: So and it was crazy because right around this in

576
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: that time period, you know, it was it's the it

577
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: was Dwayne Williams era.

578
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

579
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: So we used to be outside and some if you

580
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: don't come in the house by time the street lights

581
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: come on, don't come knocking on the door. So if

582
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: six o'clock then it got dark and I may have

583
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: been playing too long. And then six ' ten and

584
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: I come knocking the door, he won't let me in,

585
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: so I would have to go sleep in an empty apartment.

586
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: For for some cases, I slept on the school bus.

587
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: You know how they parked the school bus at the

588
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: top of here. I just sneak on the school bus.

589
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: And later and in the morning, I'll here the you know,

590
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: the driver when she comes in, you know, shaking the

591
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: keys and drinking her coffee. I hopped back off the

592
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: back of the bus and run back down to the

593
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: house change get ready to go to school. Damn so

594
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: it was you know.

595
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: You as as as the person divine Stevens as that

596
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: as the major force, and putting helping, putting that line

597
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: and pushing his car all that place.

598
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: All of it is what we call the perseverance, being

599
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: able to press through no matter what the circumstances are.

600
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: And I think every step helped me. You know, even

601
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: even even getting dropped from the face helped me because

602
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: at that moment, that was one of the darkest moments

603
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: because I was riding so high and I was young.

604
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: I'm like the first guy riding around hearing the Mercedes

605
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: bends with the a MG kid with the mobile phone,

606
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: with the all that I'm talking about. I'm talking about

607
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: just riding high, coming off of performing with Pebbles at

608
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: the center of your hall and doing Natalie Cole Big Break,

609
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: you know, doing some of the some of the big tours.

610
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Then your label tell you we're not gonna move forward

611
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: with you, you know, longer part of the light.

612
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

613
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

614
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: Then they had a gentleman. I always got to give

615
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: him props. Man. It was a guy by the name

616
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: of La Month. Bowls lamonth bowls hurt my feeling so bad, man, Damn. Yeah,

617
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: he put the battery pack in me though he hurt

618
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: my feeling so bad. He was like, yo, don't call

619
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: up it La, don't want you, no, no ever call

620
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: this building again. And I was like cool. And I

621
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: cried and I was like, okay, not a problem, not

622
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: a problem. And then I left Atlanta. I left Atlanta

623
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: and moved to Los Angeles with my aunt. I stayed

624
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: in South Central. Yeah it got worse. Yeah, I am yeah.

625
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: And I used to be there and I used to

626
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: see and I kept wondering, like you know, I ain't know.

627
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: The culture kept saying why the guys crossed the street.

628
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: They all gathering, the helicopters flying over and they are

629
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: to just talking and pulling liquor on the street. God

630
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: just got killed down the street at a traffic like

631
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: at the Burger king. Some guys pulled up hanging out

632
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: the window. Dump dump dump dump dumped on him.

633
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: Boom said, let me get back to Atlanta, man.

634
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: Nah, I didn't say that. I My purpose was going there.

635
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: I was trying to meet some of the dancers that

636
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: was on soul train. I was trying to be a

637
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: soul trained dancer.

638
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: At that point. Any how long did you stay in

639
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: a man, I might have been there a year. So

640
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: like I say, then you said, let me get my

641
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: mother ass back today. Nah.

642
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: So so I only came back. I came back to

643
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: Atlanta because Dallas Austin brother passed away. When Claude passed, Yeah,

644
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: Claude was Austin. Yeah, Claude was one of the guys

645
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: that kind of rallied for me at the beginning. So

646
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: when Claude passed away, I came back to Atlanta and

647
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: then I bumped into t Bars outside of the funeral

648
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 2: and she was like, yo, man, what what you What's

649
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: going on? What's you up to? Some man moved to

650
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: La and she was like what She's like, Nah, man,

651
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: you gotta come help TLC man, you got come help me.

652
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: I was like, I bet. So I came back and

653
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: started working with her, and then it you know, then

654
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: that got me back in gear, back in motion. So

655
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: the NTLC started bubbling, became super hot, and then that

656
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: got me the other things. And then I finally had

657
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: a conversation with La because I didn't know what had happened,

658
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: why it happened, you know, there was some eternal things

659
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: going on. And then I do know that Clarence Avons

660
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: came to rescue the situation. So rest in peace, you know,

661
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: to the god. So he came in and put some

662
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: things in place to protect the face at that time,

663
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: because there was about three acts that didn't work, so

664
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: they had signed Jermaine Jackson, Damien Dame and then Us

665
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: so that was three. So as a young production company,

666
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: they probably only had budget for three artists and.

667
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: None of those pops.

668
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: None of them pop, and then they have to probably

669
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: go get not probably they have to get it refecast.

670
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: Get some more funding to get more funding.

671
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: So I think at that moment, Clarence stepped in and

672
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, and Pebble stepped in. Yeah, but that's that story,

673
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: and I know I jumped up.

674
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: It's cool. So look, let me ask you something. Fine,

675
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: all these artists you work with, groups, individuals, solo artists.

676
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: If you had to create a four person, four members

677
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: supergroup out of everybody you've worked with over the years,

678
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: who would it be?

679
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Can I just do the males because I do a

680
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 2: male group. Okay, I would have Usher in the group,

681
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: Puffy in a group, mm hmm, one in a group,

682
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: and Teddy Riley Wally group. That would be my Super's

683
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: motherfucking supergroup. Yeah, I'm trying to think from a vocal standpoint.

684
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 2: Hold on, you said, y yea puff Okay, so ain't

685
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: gonna have to carry They're gonna carry the notes one,

686
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna carry the whole.

687
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the whole.

688
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: Thing by himself. Us you're gonna blend and do somebody.

689
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: And then you got puffing and Teddy Roby. Absolutely, that's

690
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: a hell a group. Boy, Dad, I would be mine.

691
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: So what about the females. What a female would be? Simple,

692
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: It'll be Beyonce, It'll be t Bars, Monica h and

693
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: Mariah Carey. I would say, with Whitney's fasts piece.

694
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: And Whitney is an honorary she would be definitely that.

695
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: But that would be Mariah Carey. Boy, ladies, and and

696
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: and and here's the thing, that's the supergroup. I would

697
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: never put Mary J. Blige in the group. I was

698
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: wondering because she's just such a I was wondering when

699
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: I was I was wondering, like, damn, you let me now.

700
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: Now, Mary, it's just a unique soul. You know, Mary

701
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: will be in that. Mary probably go solo first. She

702
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't even probably be the first album.

703
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: And because, like I said early on in this interview,

704
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: when she brought you up on stage, man, it was

705
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: just so good and refreshing to watch you up there

706
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: and for her to give you those flowers like she

707
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: did when she said there will not be no Mary J.

708
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Without this brother, divine Stevens. Man, I was sitting out

709
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: there like a proud little brother.

710
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: I said, look look at but I'll tell you a

711
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: story about Mary that people don't know. I was signed

712
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: to Electra Records and then that situation didn't work out,

713
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: and uh, I'm the first artist signed to Matriarch, which

714
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: was Mary J. Blige record company. We never put.

715
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: As much as I've been involved in the industry and

716
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: as much as I think I know, I did not

717
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: know that.

718
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was a part of you know.

719
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: Mary was like, Nah, let's do it, let's do it.

720
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: She wanted to make a huge announcement in the Hamptons

721
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: with Puff Party. I said, Mary, let's just do the

722
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: records first. I don't want to do an announcement and

723
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: then you know, we never we never.

724
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: Yet to record, no records or nothing. Nah.

725
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of touring, a lot

726
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: of you know, it's a lot of stuff had, you know,

727
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: but Mary was definitely like one of the sweetest souls

728
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: that showed compassion for my artwork. So I'm forever grateful

729
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: for Mary.

730
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: Once again, y'all, y'all are here with story time with

731
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: legendary Jerry with Divine stevens uh Man. This has been

732
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: an incredible interview Divine, but before we get out of here,

733
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: I have to bring all my brother who has been

734
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: so incredibly instrumental so the culture and moving it forward.

735
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: My brother New Face we call him, or he calls him,

736
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: or everybody calls him the hip hop horder. But this

737
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: guy is really, really, and I'm gonna say it again,

738
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: he's really been instrumental to this whole our whole culture. Man.

739
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: So he said every segment. You can't get up out

740
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: of here without him asking you some special shit man. Awesome.

741
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: I'm usually known for having memorabilia, magazines and CDs. In

742
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 4: that case, Jerry would pull me on and I don't

743
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: have that.

744
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: But what I do have.

745
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: Is the memory of being in these rooms with these

746
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: people that you name, and your name being brought up

747
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: in podcasts, books, album credits as well. Synonymous with Atlanta

748
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: culture history, solid, respectable, adding value.

749
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: To the brand. I just wanted to know, and that's

750
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: always been a goal of mine. Clarence A.

751
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: Vine as well, names like a Jerry Clark, Kawan Praser,

752
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 4: like these names that just add value to people, And

753
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: I just wanted to know start first of all, like

754
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 4: where did that drive come from for you?

755
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 3: Or was that the goal?

756
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: I think it started at childhood. You know, I grew

757
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: up that way. I grew up watching my father and

758
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: his brothers entertained. And I think you know, if you

759
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: grew up with like the Jackson Fires or the Commodorees,

760
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: that's what it was like at my grandmother's house, watching

761
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: that every day, but then seeing that not flourished, not

762
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: go anywhere, seeing the drugs and alcohol tear that apart,

763
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: kind of built something and did something to me to

764
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: make me strive and even have this desire to want

765
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: to achieve.

766
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 4: And then also like the importance of speaking someone's names

767
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: and rooms that they're not in again, Jerry Clark does that.

768
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: Numerous times you said Monica has done that for you

769
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: with the meetium with Clive Davis. Have you been able

770
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 4: to pay that type of thing forward with any artist

771
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 4: that we may know.

772
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do that every day.

773
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: I have.

774
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: I have an academy, the Von Stephens Academy, where I

775
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: teach kids from you know, K through twelve. I'm always

776
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: passing the torch always.

777
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: And you talk about the names you listed off the

778
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: biggest artists. What about the biggest stages? We got Usher

779
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: doing the Super Bowl?

780
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

781
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: Man, So what does.

782
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: That look like?

783
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Proud?

784
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: First of all?

785
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, again, it has to be proud moment and applause

786
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: for Usher for that.

787
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you've seen that.

788
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: But what would that look like if divine Stevens got

789
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: that call.

790
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: Already got the call man and and and the call

791
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: is simple. Then his biggest performance and some of his

792
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: biggest numbers already did the choreography for.

793
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: So he has to.

794
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: Emulate that, you know, And I can whether I'm watching

795
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: it on TV, or whether I'm watching it on the

796
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: fifty yard line or whether I'm watching it on the green.

797
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: Those are numbers that are already put together, and the

798
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: world wants to see those numbers live. So and he

799
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: does it every night in Vegas already. So I'm already

800
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: applauding them. I'm already happy for him. You know, and

801
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: the team that he has around him, A lot of

802
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: the young cats already I put in place. So I'm excited.

803
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 4: Man, oh man, that is awesome and I can't wait

804
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 4: because that I mean super Bowl, Like, that's the biggest stage,

805
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: right is that the biggest stage.

806
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's the biggest viewing stage. Yeah. I

807
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 2: think it's the biggest fear in stage.

808
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: Don't get no bigger than the super Bowl. You got

809
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: big as and people around the world. That's the most

810
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: wild outside of the World Cup, that's washed event.

811
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the biggest fearing stage. But you know the

812
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 2: polo is big too.

813
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

814
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: If you don't make it off the apollo yeah so yeah, yeah,

815
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: so I get it in your face.

816
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: He had his hands in the early young charraiment.

817
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I started out at the very very beginning.

818
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: Just call Me a Mac was the first song, and

819
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: that was the director was f Gary Gray.

820
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: I remember that.

821
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know.

822
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: That was.

823
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: Watching him at you know, at fourteen, you know, still

824
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: had this charisma and this desire that he has and

825
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: this work ethic that he is beyond. I always knew

826
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: that one day it was gonna all connect and uh, it's.

827
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: Gonna be the superstar that he's turned out to be.

828
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But I watched him work through all the adversity,

829
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: the the work ethic and the things that he went through,

830
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: and how we survived the business aspect of it and

831
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: still able to keep his sanity and perform every night

832
00:45:54,280 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: and not fall to drugs, to alcohol, to women, to

833
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: the things that could easily distract you. He stayed the course.

834
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: Because this industry will chew you up and spit you

835
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: right out.

836
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: Well, the fame monster is nothing to play with, you know.

837
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: The fame monster gets everybody. Nobody escapes the fame monster.

838
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: It's just how the fame monster spits you out.

839
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: And I heard you you're speaking about like money.

840
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 4: Oh and I wanted to ask that too, like and

841
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: we don't have to discuss the amount of money, but

842
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: the way you're able to steal walk in rooms with

843
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: your head up high, full of purpose, and still do

844
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: what you do. Where does that driving that faith comes from?

845
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 4: Where you don't put the money over your true passion

846
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 4: and your purpose.

847
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: That comes from my mama, you know, it comes from

848
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: watching her not have nothing. That comes from Section eight.

849
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: That comes from food stamps, that comes from not being

850
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: able to have what you want when you want it,

851
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I can sit here, Yeah,

852
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: I want millions and millions. I want my money. I

853
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: want my money. But I come from zero, and my

854
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: mom shows me every day how to work from zero.

855
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: So long as I'm able to have role models and

856
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: things that I look up to and believe because I

857
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: look up to my mom. I don't look down at

858
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: my mom because she didn't have I looked up to

859
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: my mom based off watching how she figured it out.

860
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: And so that's what I'm left to do. I got

861
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: to figure it out for my kids.

862
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: And one of the blueprints from this episode that I

863
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 4: take away from is no is like a I call

864
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: it rejectionist protection. And how you've bounced back from your nose.

865
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: Can you give our listeners how you were able to

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Speaker 4: push through those nose, like you know you first to

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Speaker 4: the face you said first on Mary J. Blige's like

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Speaker 4: that could be the top of the world for some people.

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Speaker 4: And you get this no, but you're able to say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: we're still gonna keep it moving.

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Speaker 3: Where does that come from?

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Speaker 1: All?

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Speaker 2: No's not bad. Some noses that are teke you. Some

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Speaker 2: doors you don't even need to go behind some doors

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Speaker 2: you can look at and me it's the most beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like this woman, I want this, oh my goodness

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Speaker 2: all but then as soon as you get it, and

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Speaker 2: all health break loose because you can't keep it because

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Speaker 2: you can't keep up. And then I ask stress and

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Speaker 2: then ass all anxiety as all these different things. So

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Speaker 2: everything you look at that you think you want is

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Speaker 2: not really good for you.

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Speaker 3: May not be for you, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, So it's not even healthy for It's like the

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Speaker 2: food you know, I grew up eating, you know, survival

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Speaker 2: food whatever. But you know, but today I can say

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Speaker 2: that's happy food, you know, but it ain't good for me,

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Speaker 2: you know. So at the end of the day, them noses,

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Speaker 2: you know, they're therefore purpose and it on and I'm

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Speaker 2: here to live out my purpose. It's not the yes

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Speaker 2: other No.

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Speaker 1: Got well when I tell you, man, divine like seriously, man,

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Speaker 1: truly speaking on behalf of the legendary Jerry showed myself

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Speaker 1: my brother face. Man. I truly enjoyed this interview.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: We could sit here and talk man, with your history

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Speaker 1: and our history. We can sit here and talk for hours. Man. Yeah, Man,

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Speaker 1: the people need to know who Divin Steves is and

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Speaker 1: guess what you all know now only on the Storytime

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Speaker 1: with Legendary Jerry Show. Before we signed off, I just

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Speaker 1: want to tell you make sure you please go subscribe

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, Legendary Jerry Clark. Subscribe. Subscribe, and

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Speaker 1: also my brother New Face. Give them your social media handles.

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Speaker 4: We're at New Face, you know, on all social media platforms.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna be right on the side with my brother,

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Speaker 4: Legendary Jerry.

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Speaker 1: Man exactly, Divine, give everybody your socials.

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Speaker 2: Man at the Von Stevens Man, I just want to

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Speaker 2: say thank you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: This has been a walk down memory listen and also

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Speaker 2: a reflection of what life could and should be. Hey man,

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Speaker 2: so I just want to say thank you.

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Speaker 1: And the story Time with Legendary Jerry. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something. We're gonna dedicate this episode to uh miss

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Speaker 1: Lady Drew.

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Speaker 2: Yeah man, and my brother, my brother change, Gang Shane Man.

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Speaker 1: And Gang Shane rest in peace, Rest in peace, my

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Speaker 1: daddy Thomas Clark, and a great Shaki Steward.

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Speaker 2: I love you, yeah yeah, but hold on, since you're

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Speaker 2: going there, man, I can't. Robin Simms, yes, Robin, yeah man.

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Speaker 2: Robin was very We had.

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Speaker 1: So much history and people that have been instrumental on

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Speaker 1: both of our success. Robin Sims rest in peace.

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Speaker 3: So this I'm gonna do man for Clay Evans Man,

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Speaker 3: Yes see.

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Speaker 2: Y'all about to go there. Man, There's so many great

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Speaker 2: ones that passed away a part. I gotta say, the

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Speaker 2: great Biggie Smalls.

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Speaker 1: Just some great ones, man, they sure.

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Speaker 2: I just seen some photos with me standing outside Biggie's

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Speaker 2: homegun coming homegoing service.

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Speaker 1: Same.

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Speaker 2: I saw some pictures of me outside of the Left

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Speaker 2: Eyes and just all these great artists, you know, even

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Speaker 2: you know, I had a chance to work well, even

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Speaker 2: Mike Jackson. So it's just, you know, I didn't really

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Speaker 2: want to go down memory lane like because that's a whole.

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Speaker 1: Just kind of take it, you know. But I definitely

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Speaker 1: want to make sure I acknowledge Lady Drew and your

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Speaker 1: brother Yang Shane hey Man, and Vine. Thank you man,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your contribution to the culture. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming on Storytime with legendary Jerry. Make sure y'all

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Speaker 1: tune in every week because we got people like this. Man.

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Speaker 2: I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not

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Speaker 2: We're gonad to have him coming up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he gotta come back because when I tell y'all, man,

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Speaker 1: he got so much ship the upcoming. But but these.

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Speaker 3: The type of stories we need you right, this story.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, this story Time of legend j This is it.

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Speaker 1: Just hit right here, sign it off myself, Jerry Clark,

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Speaker 1: new Face, Divine Stevens. We out of here.

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Speaker 2: Powered by iHeart You see it. Yeah.

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