1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

2
00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:10,640
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and.

3
00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,440
Speaker 1: Welcome to Too Much Information, the show that brings you

4
00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,520
Speaker 1: the secret history and Little Lone, fascinating facts behind your

5
00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,160
Speaker 1: favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We're two guys

6
00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,840
Speaker 1: with too much free time in our hands. My name

7
00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,160
Speaker 1: is Jordan Runtag.

8
00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,120
Speaker 2: And I'm Alex Hegel and Jordan. On this episode, we

9
00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,280
Speaker 2: are turning our bloodshot eyes to the Osbourns, the reality

10
00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,440
Speaker 2: TV load star that turned Ozzy Osbourne from a cocaine

11
00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,720
Speaker 2: addled heavy metal icon into a cuddly sitcomesque patriarch and

12
00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,960
Speaker 2: foisted his wife Sharon and daughter Kelly onto an unsuspecting nation.

13
00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,559
Speaker 2: Son Jack was also there. Oh of Jack. Yeah, we'll

14
00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,640
Speaker 2: get to Jack. I have no quarrel with him. He's fine.

15
00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,440
Speaker 2: The show's twentieth anniversary was in March, which means it's

16
00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,440
Speaker 2: nearly twice as old as Ozzy's original tenure in Black Sabbath,

17
00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,600
Speaker 2: which is something I find Hilaire. It's how like Henry

18
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,399
Speaker 2: Rollins has been doing spoken word about being in Black

19
00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,760
Speaker 2: Flag for like seven times the amount of time he

20
00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,160
Speaker 2: was in Black Flag. Anyway, Jordan, I cannot imagine you

21
00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,839
Speaker 2: being a fan of this show, or really of Black

22
00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,520
Speaker 2: Sabbath in general. I was just getting into my Black

23
00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,319
Speaker 2: Sabbath fandom when this came on, so yeah, I was

24
00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,560
Speaker 2: poised to enjoy it. What about you, No.

25
00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,399
Speaker 1: I mean, back in two thousand and two, I was

26
00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,080
Speaker 1: tuned into TV land, watching like the actual fifties sitcoms

27
00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,080
Speaker 1: that this show spoofed, so like, yes, the Cardigan crowd

28
00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,040
Speaker 1: was more my thing. I was deep into the adventures

29
00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,440
Speaker 1: of Ozzy and Harriet rather than Ozzy Osbourne, which I mean,

30
00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,399
Speaker 1: does anyone get that reference? Like the Adventures of Ozzy

31
00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,880
Speaker 1: and Harriet, because that's actually an interesting story. They were

32
00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,640
Speaker 1: sort of, in a weird way, the actual first reality

33
00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,320
Speaker 1: TV family. Have you ever heard of them? They they

34
00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,800
Speaker 1: were a real family and they all acted together in

35
00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,960
Speaker 1: this sitcom that the dad produced and directed Ozzy and

36
00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,920
Speaker 1: they acted on a set of their house that was

37
00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,560
Speaker 1: like identical to their real house, and it was just

38
00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,320
Speaker 1: like things that were happening in the real life.

39
00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,680
Speaker 2: They were just right into the show.

40
00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,520
Speaker 1: And then they have Ricky Nelson, who was a pop

41
00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,880
Speaker 1: singer in the sixties, like had to you know, pop

42
00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,000
Speaker 1: career spin off. I'm just like Kelly did in the

43
00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,240
Speaker 1: Osbourne's like, it's definitely interesting, but well, let's not.

44
00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,160
Speaker 2: Tar Ricky Nelson with the same brush as I'm sorry,

45
00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to be really mean to Kelly in this episode.

46
00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't find her charming anyway.

47
00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,120
Speaker 1: That's that's enough about that, Ozzie. Let's get into the

48
00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,880
Speaker 1: other Azzie, the Prince of Darkness.

49
00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

50
00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,280
Speaker 1: I would have never dreamed that the guy behind Crazy

51
00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,520
Speaker 1: Train would become one of the most beloved TV personalities

52
00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,800
Speaker 1: of our generation. It's easy to forget that there weren't

53
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,880
Speaker 1: really any shows at this time that did the whole

54
00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,720
Speaker 1: like Hollywood wildlife documentary thing where they showed celebrities in

55
00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,239
Speaker 1: their natural habitat. And in addition to the lack of

56
00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 1: these kinds of shows, this was also pre social media,

57
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,679
Speaker 1: so famous people's private lives truly private. Yeah, and it's

58
00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,760
Speaker 1: difficult for people who are maybe ten years younger than

59
00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,120
Speaker 1: us to recall how compelling it was so just see

60
00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,040
Speaker 1: celebrities at home doing normal stuff or like in their

61
00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,160
Speaker 1: car on. I mean, these shows are so run of

62
00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,480
Speaker 1: the mill now that that almost might say boring, but

63
00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,959
Speaker 1: the premise was groundbreaking.

64
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,080
Speaker 2: On the Osbourne's and The New York Times had a review.

65
00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,359
Speaker 1: I think it was the week that The Osbourne Show premiered,

66
00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,600
Speaker 1: and it said most shows take nobody's and turn them

67
00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,840
Speaker 1: into somebody's. This show took somebody's and turned them into nobody's,

68
00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,040
Speaker 1: which is great.

69
00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's sort of.

70
00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,639
Speaker 1: Like a fish out of water story about Ozzy just

71
00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,280
Speaker 1: trying to make sense of the normal world and managing

72
00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600
Speaker 1: people who are asking him to do simple tasks. I mean,

73
00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, I went to screenwriting school. They told me

74
00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,200
Speaker 1: that drama is conflict, and sometimes that's Hamlet, sometimes that's

75
00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,200
Speaker 1: Sophie's choice, and sometimes that's a man trying to figure

76
00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,920
Speaker 1: out how to use his remote control so you can

77
00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,440
Speaker 1: watch a World War two documentary on the History Channel.

78
00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,080
Speaker 2: Drama comes in many forms.

79
00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,360
Speaker 1: That was gonna say before we set this episode, I

80
00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,920
Speaker 1: really need to ask, can you scream my name?

81
00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,000
Speaker 2: Like Sharon? I used to have a really good Ausie

82
00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,800
Speaker 2: impression in my back pocket. I don't think I have

83
00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,240
Speaker 2: it anymore. It's been a while. I mean, it is

84
00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,040
Speaker 2: really funny. One of the two most formative things that

85
00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,640
Speaker 2: I spent on a godly amount of time watching. We're

86
00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,760
Speaker 2: both on VH one. It was thee hundred Greatest Artists

87
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,080
Speaker 2: of Hard Rock Countdown hosted by carmenal Elektra and The

88
00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,000
Speaker 2: Most Shocking Moments in Rock and Roll hosted by Mark McGrath,

89
00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 2: and that came out in two thousand and one. So

90
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,960
Speaker 2: like the whole thing about like Ozzie biting the head

91
00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,719
Speaker 2: off the bat, snorting the line of ants, that was

92
00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,200
Speaker 2: all like part of the yeah, and it's all part

93
00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,719
Speaker 2: of like the received hagiography about him. But like also,

94
00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,279
Speaker 2: this wasn't like Mark Burnett or whatever. This like the

95
00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,960
Speaker 2: people who did this kind of just came out of

96
00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,880
Speaker 2: nowhere at MTV. It really is, it really is quite

97
00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,880
Speaker 2: a thing. Anyway, whatever the case may be, we are

98
00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,599
Speaker 2: going to get into the medical feasibility of snorting that

99
00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:52,919
Speaker 2: line of ants, Sharon's whatever she's been up too lately,

100
00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,920
Speaker 2: whatever you can call that, and the curiously high amount

101
00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,520
Speaker 2: of dollars that several pairs of Ozzie's wire rim glasses

102
00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,240
Speaker 2: sold at auction in two thousand and seven. And there's

103
00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,000
Speaker 2: the flying ham Oh yes, and how could we forget Hamgate?

104
00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:16,760
Speaker 2: Here's everything you didn't know about the Osbourne's. So we

105
00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,359
Speaker 2: touched on this seconds earlier, but there were not a

106
00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,279
Speaker 2: ton of shows that brought you into the celebrity world.

107
00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,800
Speaker 2: Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous is probably the easiest

108
00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,919
Speaker 2: analog that you could get into. But it was actually

109
00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,760
Speaker 2: an episode of MTV's Cribs two years before the Osbourne's

110
00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and two launch. That was kind of their

111
00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,240
Speaker 2: soft audition for the show. You know, by two thousand,

112
00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,760
Speaker 2: Ozzie hadn't put out an album since Osmosis in nineteen

113
00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,680
Speaker 2: ninety five. The man has a truly stellar track record

114
00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,520
Speaker 2: of naming records after his names, just different Oz puns.

115
00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,760
Speaker 2: Gotta love him. Blizzard of Oz is the best one.

116
00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,680
Speaker 2: I think it's good. It's good. So, as we mentioned,

117
00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,720
Speaker 2: the most you'd see of Ozzy around this time was

118
00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,960
Speaker 2: either at Ozfest each year, where they would trot him

119
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,000
Speaker 2: out to do the Sabbath and the solo stuff with

120
00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:06,000
Speaker 2: a rotating cast of much younger musicians, including pre Metallica

121
00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,039
Speaker 2: bassist Rob Trujillo at one point, or on some VH

122
00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,320
Speaker 2: one special about him biting the head off the bat,

123
00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,239
Speaker 2: snorting the line of ants, or drinking his own urine

124
00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,120
Speaker 2: or or urinating on the Alamo. They'll forget that. Yes, yes,

125
00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,080
Speaker 2: another favorite thing, the ant thing. Let's just get this

126
00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,359
Speaker 2: out of the way immediately comes from the members of

127
00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,440
Speaker 2: Motley Crue, who wrote about it in the Dirt, which

128
00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,720
Speaker 2: is their famous garbage book. Yeah, garbage book about them

129
00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,760
Speaker 2: being garbage people in a garbage band. They've stood by it.

130
00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,480
Speaker 2: Ozzy perhaps obviously says he has no memory of it,

131
00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,880
Speaker 2: and his guitar player, one of his guitarists, Jakie Lee,

132
00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,080
Speaker 2: who's obviously just a fantastic shredder guitarist, he said in

133
00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,239
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, I was there and I never saw ants.

134
00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,960
Speaker 2: He snorted a little spider. Still bad, still bad, Yeah,

135
00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,159
Speaker 2: still weird, but not as bad as the line of ants.

136
00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,800
Speaker 2: I don't care what the other guys say. There was

137
00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,320
Speaker 2: no ants, so just on the flip side of that.

138
00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,279
Speaker 1: Ozzie also says that he has no memory of the

139
00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,320
Speaker 1: birth of his first two kids, so he could it

140
00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,280
Speaker 1: could have happened, and he also could have genuinely not

141
00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:10,840
Speaker 1: remembered it.

142
00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,840
Speaker 2: We have a lot of unreliable narrators on this show,

143
00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,320
Speaker 2: from like Robert Plant and Jimmy Page to you know,

144
00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,920
Speaker 2: a lot of unreliable narrators, but Ozzy may be the

145
00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:26,320
Speaker 2: most unreliable anyway. The Osbourne's opened their home to Cribs

146
00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,840
Speaker 2: in September of two thousand and do you know who

147
00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,440
Speaker 2: The other guests on that episode were Jordan No, huh,

148
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,600
Speaker 2: Moby and Jewel. That's very two thousand, Yeah, insanely two thousand.

149
00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,560
Speaker 2: So Kelly during that episode famously outs Ozzy as a

150
00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,760
Speaker 2: Britney Spears and Sink fan. And you know, there's been

151
00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,880
Speaker 2: two great oral histories of the show that came out

152
00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,200
Speaker 2: this year. The ringer did one of them, and Jack

153
00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320
Speaker 2: told them that whenever the network did anything on oz Fest,

154
00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,280
Speaker 2: which is Ozzy's annual semi annual, I have no idea

155
00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,520
Speaker 2: it's like his heavy metal music fest. Whenever it would

156
00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,720
Speaker 2: do anything on it, Jack and Kelly were always like

157
00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,800
Speaker 2: kind of the faces of it. And so he called

158
00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,320
Speaker 2: that Cribs episode a second audition reel. We're gonna get

159
00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,400
Speaker 2: into a lot. Jack and Kelly are like Ozzie's like

160
00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,640
Speaker 2: representatives here on earth, like, yeah, his avatars. There's a

161
00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,760
Speaker 2: lot of kind of no name producers in here. I'll

162
00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,600
Speaker 2: due respect to them. So we're gonna be naming a

163
00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,280
Speaker 2: lot of people, So take notes people. Producer Greg Johnston,

164
00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,000
Speaker 2: who had kicked around MTV for a few years prior

165
00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:32,280
Speaker 2: to doing stuff like Buzzkill and Paully Shore's show Totally Polly,

166
00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,720
Speaker 2: I have zero much like Ozzy and the Birth of

167
00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,280
Speaker 2: his children. I have no memory of that show based

168
00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,040
Speaker 2: on Jack and Kelly, and they're wild off the charts

169
00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,080
Speaker 2: chemistry on camera. I guess they were tapping them for

170
00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,600
Speaker 2: VJA opportunities. But he took a lunch with Sharon at

171
00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,120
Speaker 2: one point and she was just telling stories about I mean,

172
00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,080
Speaker 2: she's been in show business for forever. She took over

173
00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,960
Speaker 2: Ozzie's career and really gave him his second of like

174
00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,520
Speaker 2: three acts. So she is just telling all these stories,

175
00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,080
Speaker 2: and you know, he was like, wait a second, the

176
00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,920
Speaker 2: producers are eating out the palm of her hand. I mean,

177
00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,240
Speaker 2: she's telling all these wild stories about like just misadventures

178
00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,520
Speaker 2: that Ozzie gets up to around the house and stuff.

179
00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,480
Speaker 2: And I guess over the course of this lunch, she

180
00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,760
Speaker 2: kind of semi comically moaned, God, I keep telling people

181
00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,280
Speaker 2: these stories and people don't ever believe half the stories

182
00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,240
Speaker 2: I tell them. I need proof, And that kind of.

183
00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,920
Speaker 1: Sparked the brain wave with wait a minute, let's get

184
00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:29,880
Speaker 1: this on camera.

185
00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,800
Speaker 2: So there's another producer named Jeff Stilson who is formerly

186
00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,120
Speaker 2: of The Chris Rock Show. He traces the inspiration to

187
00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,440
Speaker 2: this to a BBC documentary called Fame and Fortune that

188
00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,280
Speaker 2: featured the Osbourne There's a clip of tube. It's fun.

189
00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely seems like a soft launch of the Osbourne's.

190
00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,599
Speaker 1: Like there's a scene of them all eating dinner on

191
00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,400
Speaker 1: the table and they're singing Monty Python's always look on

192
00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,400
Speaker 1: the bright Side of life and cursing at one another,

193
00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,800
Speaker 1: and little Kelly's like scolding her father, like we shouldn't

194
00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,600
Speaker 1: be using that language at the dinner table. It's very sweet.

195
00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,880
Speaker 2: You know. We just spent the entire intro to the

196
00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,199
Speaker 2: show talking about how we didn't see Elsie's this kind

197
00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,880
Speaker 2: of character. But have you ever seen decline in the

198
00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,880
Speaker 2: of Western Civilization? Part two The Hair Metal Years. No,

199
00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,680
Speaker 2: there's footage of Ozzie like puttering around the kitchen in

200
00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,960
Speaker 2: a bathroom, fixing eggs and like making breakfast. So he

201
00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,080
Speaker 2: really has always been this person. It's just a matter

202
00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,600
Speaker 2: of whether or not how many cameras were there or not. Yeah,

203
00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,280
Speaker 2: he got his platform. Yeah, fifty years into his career,

204
00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,040
Speaker 2: he finally got his platform. Another producer, Lois Current, had

205
00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,680
Speaker 2: also worked on The Dating game, so quite an interesting

206
00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,640
Speaker 2: collection of people kind of talent converging on this show.

207
00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,840
Speaker 1: A motley crew, if you will get a I just

208
00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,040
Speaker 1: want to give a quick shout out to Sharon Osbourne.

209
00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,560
Speaker 1: You touched on this earlier, but she was just instrumental

210
00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,680
Speaker 1: and putting all this together and in so many of

211
00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,320
Speaker 1: the Osbourne family business dealings. And she's very much the

212
00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,000
Speaker 1: business brains in this family. And it's in her blood

213
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,079
Speaker 1: because her dad was actually Ozzie's manager. In Black Sabbath,

214
00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,200
Speaker 1: a guy called Don Arden who is one of the

215
00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,880
Speaker 1: most notorious music business heavies of all time. He's been

216
00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,440
Speaker 1: called the al Capone of pop, the English Godfather, and

217
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,840
Speaker 1: most vaguely, but perhaps most terrifyingly, mister Big.

218
00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,240
Speaker 2: And I don't want to know how he got that nickname.

219
00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,400
Speaker 1: His business practices, if you could even call it, that,

220
00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,280
Speaker 1: are our legendary. I mean, back in the sixties he

221
00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,000
Speaker 1: bribed the people who published music charts to place.

222
00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,360
Speaker 2: His acts higher on the charts.

223
00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,640
Speaker 1: When one of his acts complained about unpaid royalties, he replied,

224
00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,760
Speaker 1: I have the strength of ten men in these hands

225
00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,160
Speaker 1: and threaten to throw him out of a window. The

226
00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,200
Speaker 1: British group the Small Faces, which later morphed into Rod

227
00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,880
Speaker 1: Stewart's group The Faces. They tried to get a new manager.

228
00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,199
Speaker 1: Don Arden didn't like this. He went to this new

229
00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,000
Speaker 1: manager and either threatened or some say did dangle this

230
00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,480
Speaker 1: guy by his ankles out of a window. I mean,

231
00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,600
Speaker 1: so this guy's basically Shug Night thirty.

232
00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,120
Speaker 2: Years early, yeah, wild, and Sharon is his daughter, which

233
00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,320
Speaker 2: is how she met Ozzy weird. Side note.

234
00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,320
Speaker 1: Before they dated, she dated Jay Leno ew like Comedy

235
00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,040
Speaker 1: Store era Jay Leno? Can you imagine what I want?

236
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,760
Speaker 1: Like a butterfly effect about what, like the world would

237
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,760
Speaker 1: be totally different.

238
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to imagine that world, frankly. I mean,

239
00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,480
Speaker 2: what if Jay Leno fronted Black Sabbath there were connection

240
00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,040
Speaker 2: to Sharon? I mean Jesus Christ.

241
00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,880
Speaker 1: So in Black Sabbath, who Sharon's dad managed, fired Ozzy

242
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,760
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine. Sharon took over as Ozzie's manager

243
00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,720
Speaker 1: and they also began a relationship, and her dad, donn Arden,

244
00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,080
Speaker 1: was furious and the next time she visited pregnant, he

245
00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,959
Speaker 1: supposedly sicked his dogs on her and she was mauled

246
00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,040
Speaker 1: and lost the baby. That is insane.

247
00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:49,120
Speaker 2: It's Gothic.

248
00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,000
Speaker 1: So Sharon then took Ozzie's contract to an American label

249
00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,880
Speaker 1: and her father. Her own father sued her for a

250
00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,560
Speaker 1: million dollars in damages for going against him, and they

251
00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,559
Speaker 1: didn't speak for twenty years, And in two thousand and one,

252
00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,840
Speaker 1: Sharon told The Guardian, he taught me everything not to

253
00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,920
Speaker 1: do in business. My father's never seen any of my

254
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880
Speaker 1: three kids, and as far as I'm concerned, he never will.

255
00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,920
Speaker 1: Later that same year, I guess, at Ozzie's insistence, Sharon

256
00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,640
Speaker 1: and her dad reconciled and he took a walk on

257
00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,400
Speaker 1: role on The Osbournes and he met finally Jack and

258
00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,440
Speaker 1: Kelly for the first time, who by this point were

259
00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,120
Speaker 1: like almost in their twenties. But by this time Don

260
00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,640
Speaker 1: Arden was no longer the feared music manager of old.

261
00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,640
Speaker 1: He was beginning to succumb to Alzheimer's and he died

262
00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,120
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven. So a seriously fierce guy,

263
00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,000
Speaker 1: and he passed that ferocity on to his daughter Sharon,

264
00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,360
Speaker 1: and hence she ruled over the Osbourne's TV production with

265
00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,960
Speaker 1: a iron fist, but a benevolent iron fist.

266
00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again, it can't be underscored enough. How little

267
00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,720
Speaker 2: rule book there was for reality TV at this point.

268
00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know if reality TV was

269
00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,400
Speaker 2: like the accepted term for it. I mean, I don't

270
00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,079
Speaker 2: think it existed.

271
00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,720
Speaker 1: Then they thought of this really is a documentary sitcom?

272
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,520
Speaker 1: Was this sort of phrase that they used?

273
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,280
Speaker 2: Jack said, the only reference we had for reality TV

274
00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,680
Speaker 2: at the time was the real world road rules Cops,

275
00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,320
Speaker 2: which now I'm imagining like the Ozzy either the Ozzie

276
00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,920
Speaker 2: version of Bad Boys or Crazy Train done in the

277
00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,120
Speaker 2: style of the reggae band who did Cops. You know.

278
00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,760
Speaker 2: One of the things that they were worried about was

279
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,240
Speaker 2: conversations around Ozzy's sobriety, making it under the air. But regardless,

280
00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,840
Speaker 2: Johnston started shooting basic footage in the summer of two

281
00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,000
Speaker 2: thousand and one and moved the production team into the

282
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,320
Speaker 2: house in October same year. Yeah, the Osbourne's were in

283
00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,360
Speaker 2: the midst of moving houses.

284
00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,840
Speaker 1: Anyways, A producers thought this was like a great starting

285
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,120
Speaker 1: point for the show, this new beginning in their new home.

286
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,440
Speaker 1: They toured the house with Sharon and asked if they

287
00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,160
Speaker 1: could set up a control room in an old maid's quarters,

288
00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,920
Speaker 1: and to their shock, she was fine with it and

289
00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,920
Speaker 1: agreed and it was generally thought that they'd be hanging

290
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,080
Speaker 1: around for like a couple of weeks, like Sharon said,

291
00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,800
Speaker 1: maybe three weeks top. But three years later they were

292
00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,720
Speaker 1: still there filming at some points up to eighteen hours

293
00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,280
Speaker 1: a day, and the crew members would liken it to

294
00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,520
Speaker 1: filming a wildlife documentary. It's really really insane to think

295
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,920
Speaker 1: now how this was shot. The amount of time the

296
00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,200
Speaker 1: producers had at their disposal is just absolutely mind boggling.

297
00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,480
Speaker 1: Because Sharon was an executive producer, so there was kind

298
00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,520
Speaker 1: of a certain sense of safety there from what the

299
00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,280
Speaker 1: family's perspective, that you know, nothing truly that horrible would

300
00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,160
Speaker 1: make it to air because they would have final.

301
00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,640
Speaker 2: Say I shudder, I shudder to think at the NDA's

302
00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,360
Speaker 2: that were drawn up for this. Yes, oh yeah were

303
00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,280
Speaker 2: There were a few off limits rooms in the house.

304
00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,680
Speaker 2: I think like Ozzie's home, theater room or something was

305
00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,360
Speaker 2: one of them you'd go to like hang out, and

306
00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,880
Speaker 2: there are a few others. But the crew shots six

307
00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 2: days a week for about between sixteen and eighteen hours

308
00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,920
Speaker 2: a day, and they had cameras in nearly every room

309
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,160
Speaker 2: in the house, and they had one or two cameras

310
00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,760
Speaker 2: following each I guess you'd call them principal cast member.

311
00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:57,640
Speaker 2: Each family member.

312
00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,600
Speaker 1: They had someone sleeping in the guest room at the

313
00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,560
Speaker 1: Osbourne's house overnight in case something happened, which is how

314
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120
Speaker 1: the famous ham throwing incident was preserved for posterity.

315
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:07,760
Speaker 2: We'll get to that.

316
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,280
Speaker 1: They even had a few spy cameras in some of

317
00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,800
Speaker 1: the rooms, so if something started brewing in like one

318
00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,280
Speaker 1: of the key public spaces of the house, they could

319
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,880
Speaker 1: kind of get wind of it and get their cameras

320
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,320
Speaker 1: in position. So by the end of this they had

321
00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,080
Speaker 1: thousands of hours of footage to call through for any

322
00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,920
Speaker 1: given episode, which is just insane. I mean, they've said

323
00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,560
Speaker 1: that on average they would have about ten days worth

324
00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,960
Speaker 1: of footage to make one single thirty minute episode, which

325
00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,640
Speaker 1: would drive you insane now, I mean, but remember, the

326
00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,440
Speaker 1: original premise was basically Real World Ozzy Osbourne, and the

327
00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,640
Speaker 1: premise kind of diverged from that pretty quickly. Some of

328
00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,080
Speaker 1: the producers for the Osbourne show were friends with the

329
00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,720
Speaker 1: Real World team, and so they called them up and

330
00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,760
Speaker 1: asked them how they shot the show and kind of

331
00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,720
Speaker 1: took notes and got some advice for how to shoot

332
00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:58,080
Speaker 1: a people documentary. Basically, a Wildlife People documentary, and there

333
00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,720
Speaker 1: were really two key differences between how the real world

334
00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,120
Speaker 1: was shot and how the Osborne's were shot. First of all,

335
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,119
Speaker 1: in the real world, the camera crew has really strict

336
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,760
Speaker 1: instructions not to speak to any of the cast mates,

337
00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,520
Speaker 1: and this wasn't going to work on the Osbourne's. I mean,

338
00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,800
Speaker 1: your guests in this family's house, so some kind of

339
00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,919
Speaker 1: interplay and interaction is required. It be weird if you didn't, like,

340
00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, acknowledge them and say hi. The Osbourne producers

341
00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,800
Speaker 1: also diverged from the real world by eliminating any talking

342
00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,800
Speaker 1: heads segments, so you know, instead of having the cast

343
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,159
Speaker 1: give confessionals, they approached the show as, in their words,

344
00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,119
Speaker 1: a documentary sitcom where the story was moved along just

345
00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,520
Speaker 1: by the footage. No narration, no retrospective insight, no confessionals,

346
00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,920
Speaker 1: no asides. It was an unscripted sitcom straight up. I mean,

347
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,879
Speaker 1: the term reality TV, as we said earlier, hadn't really

348
00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,520
Speaker 1: been invented yet, or if it had, it wasn't in

349
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, wide usage.

350
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,080
Speaker 2: So to the producers, this was a documentary sitcom. Yeah,

351
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,840
Speaker 2: and MTV didn't know what to do ever, Well, well, yeah,

352
00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,480
Speaker 2: by this point, it's kind of calcified into an institution

353
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,720
Speaker 2: that did not seem to know what it was doing.

354
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, there were some early battles and after those happened,

355
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,119
Speaker 2: production just kind of got to do it it wanted.

356
00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,320
Speaker 2: And some of the examples of battles that they would

357
00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,119
Speaker 2: have was like MTV typical, like exec thinking was like,

358
00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,120
Speaker 2: well this is this is about the Osbourne so we've

359
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,919
Speaker 2: got to have like current heavy metal playing under it.

360
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,879
Speaker 2: So they I think stilsoner Johnston talks about like seeing

361
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,640
Speaker 2: dailies where they had like Lincoln Park playing under this footage,

362
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,680
Speaker 2: which is such a miss by Miles.

363
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean what made this show work was

364
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,520
Speaker 1: that it was a faux fifties sitcom. I mean yeah,

365
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,720
Speaker 1: I think at the first episode, wasn't there like a

366
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,879
Speaker 1: title on the screen that said, like here, you know,

367
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 1: welcome the perfect American family. Yeah yeah, yeah, it was

368
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,560
Speaker 1: that like perfect sarcasm. But you know, instead of Ward

369
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,960
Speaker 1: Cleaver and all that Father Knows Best stuff, you had Ozzie.

370
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,639
Speaker 1: So the whole idea of playing heavy metal underneath this

371
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,320
Speaker 1: just totally destroyed what was so special about the show,

372
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 1: the playfulness and the humor, and I guess it kind

373
00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,240
Speaker 1: of got fraught at one point, but they basically said

374
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,680
Speaker 1: like after they that battle, MTVS backed off at least

375
00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,719
Speaker 1: presumably until the show was a huge hit and they

376
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 1: decided to get their claws back into it. But the

377
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 1: funniest thing about this to me is that, I mean,

378
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 1: this is I guess kind of well known in the

379
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 1: metal community or heavy music community, is that Ozzie is

380
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,919
Speaker 1: not the wild man that he you know, seems to

381
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 1: be or that VH one what have you believe. He's

382
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 1: a shy, unassuming, sweet young man from England, yes, from Birmingham,

383
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 1: and he was shy of cameras and so producer Jonathan

384
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 1: Taylor j T told Vice in their own oral history

385
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:38,360
Speaker 1: from this year.

386
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: In the early days, it was tough to get Ozzie.

387
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,199
Speaker 2: He was very shy when we started filming. In the

388
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 2: first week or so of filming, we didn't see much

389
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 2: of him. So, as you mentioned earlier, one of the

390
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 2: places that was off limits was his sort of like

391
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 2: media lounge, which I guess he used for working on

392
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 2: music and also screening movies, and he would just disappear

393
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 2: in there for hours. His other workaround was to stroll

394
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 2: into the control room where they that they had set

395
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 2: up and just talked to the crew whenever he didn't

396
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 2: want to be filmed. I mean, that's really smart.

397
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 1: I would break the illusion to like actually turn the

398
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 1: cameras on the camera people. I mean, this all makes

399
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: sense because Ozzy's the only one of his entire family

400
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: that has a reputation, and a huge one. He has

401
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot to lose because no one could be sure

402
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: if it would make him, you know, into this lovable

403
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: pop cultural figure or just totally destroy his rock and

404
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: roll credibility and the mystique that he'd been cultivating for

405
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: thirty plus years. So it makes sense that he was

406
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: probably the most reluctant at the start to actually go

407
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,679
Speaker 1: along with all this.

408
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 2: And he later said that he regretted it.

409
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: There was an interview that he gave to the NME

410
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen where he said, sprinkle and f bomb

411
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: in between every other word here. Of course, I regret

412
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: doing the show. I didn't want to be on television.

413
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: I didn't become a rock and roll singer to read

414
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: the weather forecast, know what I mean.

415
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: And the rest of the family just kind of adapted,

416
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 2: I think on the fly, maybe a little bit better

417
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,159
Speaker 2: to him. Sharon told the ringers, she was like, at

418
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: first you're like, oh, dear camera, I must get myself dressed,

419
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: and this, that the other, and then after two weeks

420
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: you're just like, get I'm going down on my pajamas.

421
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. This is going to be

422
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 2: a hard one to sell ads for all of these

423
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: people use the F word very liberally as they will should.

424
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: You know the funny thing about that, apparently, I think

425
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: Jack and Kelly have said that their parents didn't swear

426
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: anywhere near as much around them before the show started taping.

427
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean there's just a thought on that

428
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: you could say that they started playing into their larger

429
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: than life TV personas, or just that the kids had

430
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: reached a certain age, you know, they were in their

431
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: ladies at this point, where like the parents no longer

432
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 1: had to like be careful what they said around them.

433
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: But I thought that was interesting. Yeah, and Jack, he

434
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: said he didn't like being filmed while he was eating

435
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: or first thing in the morning, both of which seemed

436
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 2: eminently reasonable, and that he learned the now time honored

437
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: reality TV show hack of ruining the audio feed whenever

438
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: you don't want something used. So the thing that a

439
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: lot of people do don't know if this is coming across.

440
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: It's like the ASMR thing where you like scratch the

441
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: microphone cover or you you clap into it. The other

442
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 2: thing you can do is if you have a lab mic,

443
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: you tap the lab mic while you're talking. So they

444
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: can't use any of that. I've never heard about any

445
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: of that.

446
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: I know that when the Beatles were making the Get

447
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: Back documentary that Peter Jackson just cut together Whenever they

448
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: were having private conversations they didn't want on camera, they

449
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: would just would strum noisily on their.

450
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: Guitars as loud as they could.

451
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: Peter Jackson finally like developed technology to be able to

452
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: strip that away and actually hear what they were saying.

453
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 2: And he would and he would. Yeah. Jack's other move

454
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: was to just cover up his camera with a towel

455
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: when he was smoking pot or different friends were visiting.

456
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: The list of like celebrities, let's do a lightning round.

457
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: The list of celebrities who appeared on the Osborne's is

458
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: really wild. The fact that Mandy Moore was one of

459
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 2: his buddies, same with Elijah Wood or were they just

460
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: buddies which is weird. Can't Yeah, I mean, all right,

461
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: no disrespect to Jack Osborne, but it would really it

462
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: would surprise me. I mean, he's it wouldn't. No, no, no,

463
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: it wouldn't. It would jibe with Mandy Moore dating downwards, okay,

464
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: which she famously did for like a decade with Ryan Adams.

465
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: But anyway, Elijah Wood is funnier to me.

466
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: But you know whatever, this is like pure This is

467
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: like Lord of the Rings era, right, Speaking of Peter Jackson.

468
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he would have been on

469
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: top of the world at this point. Maybe he just

470
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: went over to get high with jack and escape the

471
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: pressures of being frodo Anyway, continue these are a little

472
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: more left of center.

473
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: We got Roy Orbison's son was apparently over a lot

474
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: and for a while I guess Jack Osborne dated Kirk

475
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: Cobain's half sister.

476
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: I have no idea who that would be. Yeah, I don't,

477
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

478
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: I've read that somewhere and I want to believe it

479
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: just for novelty value.

480
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: Who else we got?

481
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: Then there was the whole like dancing with Chrisina Aguilera thing,

482
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: because it was like a famous fight on the show

483
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: between Kelly and Jack where she was mad at him

484
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: for dancing with Christina Aguilera, and I guess they had

485
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: some kind of feud.

486
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I love the idea of Christina Aguilera

487
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: being like that divisive of a figure in the Osbourne.

488
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: It's like she was the line you do not cross. Oh,

489
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: she's like irate in this clip. I don't know what

490
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: the deal was, or maybe they were friends.

491
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: Kelly and Christina were friends and she didn't want like

492
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: her brother dating or friends. I don't know what it was,

493
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: but there's this like fairly famous moment when they're like

494
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: screaming at each other.

495
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: I just found one of the wildest things that I

496
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: missed researching this. What's a do you know that Christina

497
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: Aguilera bought this house when like was she the person

498
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: who bought it after the os once moved out? I

499
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: just saw this on Twitter that she bought it and

500
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: turned Kelly's bedroom into a shoe closet, which.

501
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Is okay, So there's something there that is we have

502
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: just struck a nerve.

503
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: This single most that's up there with I don't know her.

504
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: That is so apex petty. I love it. Yeah, so

505
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: at some point she bought it and then tried to

506
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: unload it in the middle of her divorce. Yeah, she

507
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: sold for let's see eleven five, which is two million

508
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: less than the asking price. So yeah, do with that

509
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: what you will. Damn. So Christina was around and just

510
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: like the crew would tell these stories about hearing beautiful

511
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: piano being played in the other room, and they'd walk

512
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: in and find Elton John, which is like just a

513
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: day at the office for them. I mean, all these

514
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: guests made for great TV. But the downside was you had.

515
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: To like get them to sign off on all this

516
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: stuff at the last minute, like get them to sign

517
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: releases and everything. But it actually wasn't that hard because

518
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: well two reasons. A lot of people in Hollywood knew

519
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: that the Osbourne's House was a live set, so they

520
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: kind of knew what they were getting into when they

521
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: went there. And a lot of you know, reality TV

522
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: was so new that celebrities were pretty naive about it

523
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: all and just were like, all right, no, I guess

524
00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on camera.

525
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: That's cool. Can you imagine a time Yeah, yeah, oh yeah,

526
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: we touched good a Motley Crue earlier.

527
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: Did you know that Motley Crue used to babysit the

528
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: Osbourne kids in like the late eighties.

529
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: I don't you know. My knee jerk reaction is to

530
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: be horrified. But it's much much funnier if one of

531
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: them is like a CPR trained caregiver. He comes over

532
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: and he's got his hair up in like a loose bun,

533
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: and he's wearing like reading glasses, and he's like, all right,

534
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: kids in bed by seven, No teven, no screens, no

535
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: screen time after eight. You know, there's that other famous

536
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: moment where Jack is basically trying to you know, Jack

537
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: was a dude. He was a teenager. I'm surprised much

538
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: worse things didn't come out with this show. He's a

539
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: teenage boy who is growing up wealthy in LA I'm

540
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: sure they dodged many bullets. Bullets if they're lucky. I

541
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: was waiting for that one to land. Anyway. Jack tries

542
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: to get this moment where he's chasing a buddy's girl

543
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: cut from the show, but Sharon, because she's a true professional,

544
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: she says, sorry, Jack, we made an agreement. Maybe next

545
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: time you won't try your best friend's girl. Yeah, yeah,

546
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: you took the money. Jack this is the business we've chosen.

547
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: On the flip side of that, one of the producers,

548
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: Jonathan J. T. Taylor, tells a great story in the Vice.

549
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: Oral History about a moment early on in the production

550
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: when Jack and Kelly were fighting and it seemed way

551
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: too real to get this on camera, So the camera

552
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: crew lowered their lenses and kind of quietly left the room,

553
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: And the next day Jack said, wait, why'd you turn

554
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: the cameras off?

555
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: So he kind of knew the deal too, you know,

556
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: he's gone on to produce stuff and work on television.

557
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: He had the instincts early on.

558
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean he later said that the

559
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: development for the Osborne Show was so drawn out that

560
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: he's had forgotten about it by the time it was

561
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: time to start shooting. Like he had gone off with

562
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: his dad for one of the oz Fest tours that summer.

563
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: So then he gets home and he's gearing up to

564
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: start high school and people start talking about a camera

565
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: crew moving into his house and he's totally freaked out.

566
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: He's like, wait a minute, that's actually happening, which I mean,

567
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: I feel bad for the guy in that sense. I mean,

568
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: can you imagine dealing with all that as you're starting

569
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: high school, I truly cannot so. Just as Jack was

570
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: funniest and most filmable when he was being a weird

571
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: horny withdrawn heavy metal team, Ozzie, as everyone agrees, is

572
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: most magnetic when he's just puttering around being a dad.

573
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: If there's one thing other than Hamgate that this show

574
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: has lodged in the popular consciousness, it is the bubble

575
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: machine incident, when Sharon is pitching him new stage props

576
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: or whatever for his tour and he says, bubbles, Sharon,

577
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm the Prince of Darkness, which is so funny and

578
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: so perfect, but everyone in production seems like weirdly protective

579
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: of him also and just have the most rable I would, yeah,

580
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'd be like protect Ozzy at all costs. Yeah,

581
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: I different reminiscences. Reminiscences include him kind of puttering around

582
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: the house in a cast looking for the cat because

583
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: he was worried it would be attacked by coyotes, stepping

584
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: in dog poop, being annoyed by the vacuum cleaner, trying

585
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: to work out the remote so he could watch documentaries

586
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: World War Two. In one of the oral histories, Forgive

587
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Me and forgetting which one it is. But there was

588
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: a cut scene where Ozzie is getting a massage and

589
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: becoming very like increasingly agitated with it, and she's the

590
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: Messuse is like trying to talk him down and be like, okay,

591
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 2: like you know whatever, however this is.

592
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how I always talk to me on

593
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: the rare occasions I get a massage because I can't

594
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: relax and getting a massage.

595
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I know exactly what he was probably told. Yeah,

596
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: And so there's a director named Donald Bull who recalled

597
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: that after that scene, Ozzie came up to him and

598
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: was like, Donald, that woman's breath smelled like a shit sandwich.

599
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't stand it. But he was still too nice

600
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: to be like, I am a old, famous rock star.

601
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: I should not have to put up with this. Stop touching. Yes,

602
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: stop touching me, get out of here, because he's just

603
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: a sweet boy from Birmingham. And having said all that,

604
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: we'll be right back with more too much information right

605
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: after this.

606
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: So Ozzie having the worst massage of his life was

607
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: not the only thing the producers cut from the Osbourne's.

608
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: They also cut an entire sentient living breathing human being

609
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: several actually at least one of them of her own volition. Anyway,

610
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: as listeners may or may not be aware of, there

611
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: are other Osborne's siblings other than Jack and Kelly, and

612
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: the show did leave in quite a bit like Sharon's

613
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: battle with breast cancer, but they cut out a ton.

614
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: They cut out Kelly's dealing with drugs and alcohol. She

615
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: was in trouble with pill addiction, drinking, Ozzie being extremely

616
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: high on camera, and the eldest Osbourne child, Amy, at

617
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: this point, was trying to launch her own career as

618
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: a musician, and this sweet summer child said, I don't

619
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: want to capitalize on my family's name. I want to

620
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: go out on my own. She later released her own

621
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: music under ro which are initials, rather than make trying

622
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: to capitalize on the family name. And apparently this got

623
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: so far as to they cut different versions of the

624
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: episodes together that some had her in them and some

625
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: didn't because she was so on the fence about participating

626
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: in it. That's weird that they didn't have.

627
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: A definite I'm surprised that they went through all that

628
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: trouble to cut both versions because that's a whole lot

629
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: of headaches, and I guess they had to do a

630
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: whole lot of recuts, like at the very last minute,

631
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: to basically not have her in it as much as possible,

632
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: and on the rare occasions.

633
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: That she was in it, she was blurred out.

634
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: But she did have pretty solid reasons for not wanting

635
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: to get into the ring on this circus. She gave

636
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: an interview I think it was to The Independent in

637
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. She said, I always really valued my privacy

638
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: within that family and for me personally, morally and also

639
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: just to give myself a chance to actually develop into

640
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: a human being as opposed to just being remembered for

641
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: being a teenager.

642
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: It didn't really line up with what I saw for

643
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: my future, which I mean fair I given what like

644
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: the way that reality TV stardom and like influencer culture

645
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: has developed in the intervening twenty years, she seems like

646
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: a sake yeah, like or like a Knight's templar, like

647
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: an unlike elliot ness, like untouchably morally upright and pure.

648
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: But unsurprisingly to the rest of the family who were

649
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: all trying to get that bag, has caused some riffs.

650
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: Mum was hurt and we definitely had a tough time,

651
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: she said at one point, and one of the show's editors,

652
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: Greg Nash, told the ringer, she was living at the

653
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: house for me any of the years that we made

654
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: the show, and we kept thinking, Oh, she'll come around.

655
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: He said. It's just so funny how much she did

656
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: not want any of that. She thought appearing on the

657
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: show would ruin her music career, which is funny because

658
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: she probably had a better voice than Kelly, and Kelly's

659
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: career took off because of the show. That is a

660
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 2: quote from one of the show's editors, Greg Nash. And

661
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: not you editorializing, but it also seems to me, yes,

662
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: it's also me editorializing. But go ahead, go. This Amy

663
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: thing keeps going, Oh yeah, this is really sad.

664
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: I guess the production of the show actually drove Amy,

665
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: the oldest of Sharon and Ozzy's three children.

666
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: To leave the family home.

667
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: During an episode of The Talk in twenty eighteen, Sharon

668
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: said that Amy moved out in her late teens, specifically

669
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: because they were filming The Osbourne Show and she just

670
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: didn wantn't be any part of it. And Sharon said,

671
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: I know that my eldest girl, Amy left home at sixteen,

672
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: and she couldn't live in our house because we were filming,

673
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: and it drove her insane. She felt that she didn't

674
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: want to grow up on camera. She hated the idea.

675
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: It was appalling to her. So she left at sixteen,

676
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: and I regret every day that she did. She was happy,

677
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: but it broke my heart when she moved.

678
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: But apparently there was.

679
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: Even more drama once she moved out between Amy and

680
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: the rest of the Osbourne's as a result of the show,

681
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: which is really unfortunate. Speaking again to The Independent in

682
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Amy said that the Osbourne show was quote

683
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: very silly, which is true, and said that her parents'

684
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: behavior on camera made her uncomfortable, which is sad. She

685
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: also admitted that she doesn't have a strong bond with

686
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: either of her siblings. I wouldn't say there's an ease

687
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: between us, but there's an acceptance.

688
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: Do we socialize? No? She said that is a grim

689
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: three clause sentence, like no ease, but an acceptance. Do

690
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: we see each other? No?

691
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's up there with like Hemingway's short story for

692
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: Sale Shoes Never Worn. Yeah, that's that's chilly. That's there

693
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: are other Osbourne's.

694
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: Still there are half siblings named Louis John and I

695
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: did not know this Jessica Starshine from a previous marriage

696
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: or not remember, Yeah, stepbrother named Elliot. And then there's

697
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: a Jordan and I have been giggling for the past

698
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: five minutes over whether or not to refer to this

699
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: person as a man or a boy, because he's a

700
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: man now, but he was a miner when he was

701
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: on the show. He's like a friend of the family.

702
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: This woman died of colon cancer and Ozzie and Sharon

703
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: promised her on her deathbed that they would take care

704
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: of him. His name is Robert Marcato and basically he's

705
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: They basically took him in and Sharon told ABC in

706
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: two thousand and two he is the only normal person

707
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: in that house. That's absolutely true. I read that after

708
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: a stint in acting school. I read that he moved

709
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: back with his father in Rhode Island in two thousand

710
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: and eight, and he's been out of contact with the

711
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: Osbourne's for a while.

712
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know what the latest is

713
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: with him and from Robert Marcado.

714
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 2: That brings us to Ham.

715
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Like so many episodes of the show, we come to

716
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: our segment on ham.

717
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, the Osbourne's were at a

718
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: crossroads that involved ham. The word ham, to me is

719
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: so intrinsically comedically hilarious. I'm gonna be leaning on that

720
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: a lot going forward. Experily, for a moment, I'd like

721
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: to hear why. As most things do, it comes back

722
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: to my dad, who one of the weird, disgusting Pennsylvania

723
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: trash foods that he likes eating is ham salad, which

724
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: is exactly what it sounds like. It's ham mayo and

725
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: if you're feeling spicy some relish. It's disgusting, and he

726
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: makes it and eats it by the tub whenever there's

727
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: a leftover Christmas ham or whatever. And it's just like

728
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: a joke with my sister and I just the phrase

729
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: ham salad, even over text, just like sends us into

730
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: paroxysms of laughter. Anyway, viewers will recall that the Osbourne's

731
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: had a feud with their neighbor, who get to in

732
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: a moment. This escalated to the point that you alluded

733
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: to earlier, during which late at night when there was

734
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: apparently like one guy working the Osborne's graveyard shift Sharon

735
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: chucked a leftover Christmas ham over their shared fence to

736
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: retaliate from the noise. For the noise, what were they doing?

737
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: Was it just like loud music or a party. Yeah,

738
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: so we talked. I think we talked about this a

739
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: little later. But this guy was like listening to playback

740
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: of like his news. It was another musician, and so

741
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: they were listening to playback or they were listening to music.

742
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 2: It was loud in the backyard. The Osbourne's took umbrage.

743
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: Things escalated to the point where they were just chucking

744
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: detritus from their house over the fence. Sharon famously throws

745
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: a ham. There is one part that does not make

746
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: it to air. Ozzy pulled a log out of their

747
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: fire pit and chucks it over still flaming, right, Yeah,

748
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: while it was still smoldering or on fire. And when

749
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: he saw the test footage, production had added like a

750
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: cartoon like this is why we need a soundboard just

751
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: for stuff like this.

752
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

753
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: Production had added like a cartoon like glass shattering effect

754
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: to the after he throws the log, and he was

755
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: very concerned that he had actually broken one of their windows.

756
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: And he was like, oh my god. They have children,

757
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: they could call the police, blah blah blah. And production

758
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: was like, that wasn't real. Sorry, well, sweet Birmingham boy Ozzie.

759
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: And this gets back to him being like we need

760
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: to protect him. Yes, protect Ozzie at all costs. I mean,

761
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: it is a little cruel for production to be playing

762
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 2: with the perception of reality of someone who did acid

763
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 2: for so many years as Ozzie did, Like, maybe he's

764
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: not the guy you want to be, like literally toying

765
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: with the fabric of his reality. But the Osbourne's neighbors,

766
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: I'm a little shocked it took us this long to

767
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: get to this. One of them is Pat Boone, easy

768
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: listening icon Pat Boone, not the man on the receiving

769
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: end of Sharon's ham, but indeed one of their neighbors.

770
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: And he told People magazine in two thousand and two

771
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: that he had never had any problems with the Osbourne's.

772
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: He said, any loud music that was coming on was

773
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: usually from the kids, wasn't really Sharon or Ozzie's doing.

774
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: And this is I love this so much. This puts

775
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: a perfect picture in my mind. He says, his fondest

776
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: memory of being their neighbor was riding bikes with Sharon

777
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: through Beverly Hills on the sidewalks, and she's towing Ozzy

778
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: behind her in a wagon because of his balance problem,

779
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: like a toddlers, like a toddler or a dog. But

780
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: the other neighbor the target of the ham which is

781
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: my favorite Thomas Harris novel. I mean, that's gonna be

782
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: your next ep. The target of the hand, the target,

783
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 2: the target of the hams moving on the other neighbor.

784
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: The target of the ham was Greg Owen. I did

785
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: not recognize this name. He had a big hit in

786
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: eighty six call my Favorite Waste of Time. And he

787
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: told Heat magazine in two thousand and two that we

788
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: were having a sing song, which already I'd hate him

789
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: because he said that we were having a sing song

790
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 2: of my new material in the back of my garden

791
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: when Ozzie claimed I was playing it too loud, next minute,

792
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: he started firing stuff over the wall. Sharon's even wilder

793
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: than he his, which yet duh. He sold the house

794
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, but the year the Osbournes

795
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: went off the air, he should have stuck it out.

796
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: There's a wild conspiracy was his participation in the show

797
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 2: simply jack up to real estate value. Yes, exactly interesting,

798
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: But he should have been counting his blessings because Sharon

799
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: told The Guardian in two thousand and six that one

800
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: of her favorite moves after getting into a fight with

801
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: someone was to mail the offending party a Tiffany's Box,

802
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: the distinctive, iconic, bright blue box that she had filled

803
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: with her own poop.

804
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: People. Jesus Christ, these people are vicious. Do you do

805
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: not want to get on the wrong side of these people?

806
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the there's a famous tabloid story after

807
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Ozzie admitted to cheating on Sharon in like twenty sixteen

808
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen with a stylist named Michelle Pew Kelly basically

809
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: docked this woman by tweeting out her private phone number. So, yes,

810
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: you don't want to piss these people off.

811
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was real life. Some things about the show

812
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: were not. I did not prepare any segues in advance

813
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: of this, So you're you're getting the tail end of

814
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: a work You're getting tail end of a workday segues

815
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: from me. You know, twenty years later, we know reality

816
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: TV is mostly horseship. But when the show ended In

817
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, Jack and Kelly talked to ABC

818
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: and they really sort of blew the doors wide open

819
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: on it. They were like, so much of this was

820
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: put together by MTV, particularly their famous meeting with a

821
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: dog therapist, which Jack squarely said that was an MTV thing.

822
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: Kelly added, I put that in my contract that I

823
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: will not do anything like that fucking dog therapist anyway.

824
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: First season. In the books, the show is a hit.

825
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: It didn't just launch the careers of the Osbourne children,

826
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: but it blew the doors wide open on reality TV.

827
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: According to The La Times, writing about Nielsen ratings in

828
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: July two thousand and two, the Osborne's wound up as

829
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: the highest rated cable series in MTV's twenty year history,

830
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: averaging five point three million viewers during the first season

831
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: and peaking at seven point two million viewers in the

832
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: season finale. Producer Nash told The Ringer the episode we

833
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: did with professional skateboarder Jason Dill. When that aired, twenty

834
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: four percent of eighteen to fifty four year olds that

835
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: owned TV sets were tuned in that night. Fully a

836
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: quarter of the country's main demographic was watching that show.

837
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: You know, one of the figures that I found as

838
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: the family signed a seven million dollar agreement with Mirrmax

839
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: for DVD video rights. They won an Emmy Primetime Emmy

840
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two. The second season premiere pooled

841
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: six point six million viewers, which was up eighty four

842
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: percent of the first I mean, this is the kind

843
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: of stuff that TV execs pleasure themselves over.

844
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean these days, I mean, how many Big Bang

845
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: theories is that right now? I mean, that's insane numbers?

846
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: What is that in episodes of Young Sheldon adjusted for inflation?

847
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: But you know, but it wasn't all. Wasn't all flying

848
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: hams and.

849
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 2: What hams come up must come down, But pigs wouldn't

850
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: always fly for the Osbourns, just take what do you want?

851
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: We're spinning gold here. Everything changed big time once the

852
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: show aired. Jack told the ringer it was really difficult

853
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: to have a high school life, and that that's why

854
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: I dropped out. I just said, I'm gonna I'm going

855
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: to go work in TV, which he did because school

856
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: became a hindrance. And again we mentioned this was sort

857
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: of the wild West for reality TV. The family also

858
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: became guinea pigs, essentially for a new area of media

859
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: aided celebrity stalking. You know, Jack talks about how people

860
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: would pause the show and zoom in and see phone

861
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: numbers that he had written down on notepads. People gave

862
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: out his Aol instant messenger handle, which is an extremely

863
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: dated reference. He said he had to change his phone

864
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: number every six months. And you know the Star maps,

865
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: the maps to the homes of the stars things that

866
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: they have in La. The Osborne's house was quickly added

867
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: to one of those. Sharon said, there were people outside

868
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: our house every day. It was like living in Disneyland.

869
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: And you know you mentioned earlier that their house was

870
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: under construction when they started, so they didn't have a

871
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: wall in their front yard, so they quickly had to

872
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: add a wall to the front side of their property.

873
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: And Johnson said that became a source of entertainment for

874
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: them too, because Ozzy had them at a sprinkler system

875
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: that he could control remotely, so when people were trying

876
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: to take pictures, he would squirt them with water and laugh,

877
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: which is adorable. Again, Ozzy, sweet boy from Birmingham. We

878
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: must protect him at all costs. And one of my

879
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: other favorite celebrity ankots for this Jack talks about being

880
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: at the Emmys and he says Brad Pitt came up

881
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: to him. He says, quote, I was like sixteen in

882
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: the green room and just eating some celery and he

883
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: walks up to me. He's like, hey man, Me and

884
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: Jen because he was married to Jennifer Andison at the time.

885
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: Me and Jen watched you guys every night in bed.

886
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: We had our agents get us all the episodes. Stars

887
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: they're just like us.

888
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: But the first season was a high water mark that

889
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: would not be reached again because, you know, the Osbourne's,

890
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: as much as they ever were anonymous, now were really

891
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: not anonymous.

892
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: None of them were. I mean, they couldn't really go anywhere.

893
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: I think Sharon tell us this kind of adorable story

894
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: about how I guess they used to go as a

895
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: family to a drum circle in Venice Beach and they went,

896
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: like I think a week after the first episode aired,

897
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: like there was just only one episode out, and as

898
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: they were walking down Venice Beach and all of a sudden,

899
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: everybody's just turning and recognize them from this TV show,

900
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: and they knew that things were going to be really

901
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: different from them after that.

902
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: I think that was the moment when they realized that.

903
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: You know, this was something that was going to be

904
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: life changing. And for season two they were no longer naive,

905
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, they knew how the show would

906
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: be cut together, and so they were a little more

907
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: self aware, which you know, kind of spoiled the magic.

908
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: I love the idea. I love the idea that in

909
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: the biopic of the Osbourne's, like the moment when they

910
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: lose their innocence is being not able to participate in

911
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: a drum circle and Venice Beach anonymously. It's it's set

912
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: to like Samuel Barber's adagio for strings to like indicate

913
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: the loss of innocence. And like you see like Kelly

914
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: sadly like carding her, jembe away, Jim just lackluster and

915
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: hounding a talking drum, just all the color draining from

916
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: their face. Anyway, where's Peter Jackson on that?

917
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

918
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment,

919
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: a series of I can't even call the misfortun's true tragedies.

920
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: He felt the family in this period, Yeah, truly. Sharon

921
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with colon cancer, which the show handled in

922
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: an honest and respectful manner. Sharon was very open about

923
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: the diagnosis, but she picked up on the sense that

924
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: the producers were treading lightly so that it didn't seem

925
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: like they were exploiting this family crisis for ratings. She

926
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: later said, there was so much stuff they didn't show

927
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: with that I think they thought it was too much.

928
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: But it didn't worry me because so many people get cancer.

929
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: It would have been something for younger kids to see

930
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: that it's not a death sentence, that people do come

931
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: out of it. I thought was a cool take on it.

932
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 2: So she really wanted to be very open about her battle.

933
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: It's thought that the stress of Sharon's health scare contributed

934
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: to Ozzie's relapsed during the second season of the show

935
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: after many years sober.

936
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: And what's worse, it's thought that the strain of this

937
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: family trauma exacerbated Jack and Kelly's burgeoning drug use. Kelly,

938
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: I guess been prescribed if I couldn't after she got

939
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 1: her tonsils out at age thirteen, and this balloon didn't

940
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: of serious dependency, and by her own emission, she was

941
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: taking up to like fifty pills a day and sought treatment,

942
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: and Jack did as well for an addiction to oxy cotton.

943
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: He sought treatment in two thousand and three as a

944
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: very young man.

945
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 2: I think he was like seventeen or eighteen, and he's

946
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: been sober ever since. In fact, I think they both

947
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: have so good for both of them. Yeah, I mean,

948
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: Stilson told Vice that when Sharon got cancer, Ozzie started

949
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: using again and then the family became dysfunctional. It was

950
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: kind of tragic at a certain point when Ozzie was

951
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: clearly taking drugs and the family kind of broke down

952
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: as a result. We should have stopped after season one.

953
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: It was ten great episodes. Nash kind of echoes that

954
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: he said Ozzie was having a little bit more trouble

955
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: with either mismedication, which is a generous euphemism, or drinking

956
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: or some combo of both, and we just weren't finding

957
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: the comic gems, which is a pretty cold way of

958
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: assessing that situation.

959
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to totally excuse Ozzie's behavior, but I guess

960
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: he'd fallen in with a doctor who was somewhat indulgent

961
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: another euphemism.

962
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 2: There.

963
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: There was a Beverly Hills interness called doctor Kipper's is

964
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: that vague enough that we won't get so they just

965
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: call him doctor Kipper, and Ozzie was seeing him for

966
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: substance abuse issues of all things. And this doctor Kipper

967
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: was later investigated for over prescribing medications to his famous clientele,

968
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: and Ozzie's claimed that during filming of The ozz Bourns,

969
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: Doctor Kipper provided him with up to thirteen different medications

970
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: at once, which.

971
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 2: Led to him consuming forty two pills.

972
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: A day, which included valium, dexadrine, and adderall among numerous others.

973
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: Ozzie later said during the filming of the later episodes

974
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: of the series, quote, I was wiped out on pills.

975
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't talk, I couldn't walk, I could barely stand up.

976
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: I was lumbering about like the hunchback of Notre Dame.

977
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: It got to the point where I was scared to.

978
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: Close my eyes at night. I was afraid I might

979
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: not wake up.

980
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: And an investigation on this doctor Kipper revealed that he

981
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: wasn't even certified in the medical field that he practiced,

982
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: so I would imagine that he got shut down real quick.

983
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: But Rozzie, man, you stop even like having a scale

984
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: of like that amount of drug taking. What do they

985
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 2: tell you to not take more than like two adavin

986
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: or Oxy's or that stuff in a day? Forty two?

987
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: I mean even grading on a curve for Ozzie, is

988
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: that like a like a half pound of pills that

989
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: you could hold in your you know, like those you

990
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: see those sugar cube pyramids they make for like the

991
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: content of like a coke. What does forty two pills

992
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: look like in a human being's hand.

993
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: I was just thinking of mic and ikes, but and

994
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: you would, I mean, that's a lot. Briefly we talked

995
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: about like the Mirmax deal that was like a seven

996
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: million dollar pay day for home video distribution rights. But

997
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: money was a big factor in pushing this show forward,

998
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: and Kelly, it's pretty vocal about this, so I want

999
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: to say admirably, Kelly admitted, perhaps admirably, her reasons for

1000
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: doing the show to ABC in two thousand and six.

1001
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say I only did this for

1002
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: the money, because after this I get to buy my

1003
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: own house, I get to move out, and I get

1004
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: to do what I want without having to live off

1005
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: my parents.

1006
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: And I think that's the most gratifying thing ever. All right,

1007
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: so I take back what I said. That's good for her.

1008
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: She wanted to get off the teat. And what money

1009
00:51:53,520 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 2: there was, Jordan, Oh, such riches for the Osbournes. This

1010
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 2: is really sad. Five k per episode in season one.

1011
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's not even property taxes on that house.

1012
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's a business deal from Don Arden's daughter.

1013
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: Don Ardhram would be dangling people out of windows by

1014
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: their ankles. Somebody came back with him with that kind

1015
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: of money.

1016
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: He was rolling over it and rolling over in hell.

1017
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: But they quickly rectified that because they made twenty million

1018
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: dollars for forty more episodes according to the La Times.

1019
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: We talked about the Mirromax distribution deal, Kelly's music career

1020
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: such as it was. But while we're talking about Osbourne's money,

1021
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: we have to talk about the Julian's auction. There were

1022
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: six pairs of Ozzie's wirerimglasses that were sold at this

1023
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: one auction. There was a set of two, four were

1024
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: sold separately. Jordan, let's do a quick lightning round. Let's

1025
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: do some prices right style, closest without going over what

1026
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: do you think Ozzie's wirerim glasses sold for let's do

1027
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: the set one before we do the set? Were they

1028
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: tinted with blue? Does not specify. Okay, I'm going to

1029
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: say four thousand, five hundred. Ooh, so far over? Oh

1030
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: really well not actually, this is so deeply bizarre. One

1031
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: pair sold for fifteen hundred, another pair sold for twenty

1032
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: seven hundred, a third pair sold for twenty eight hundred,

1033
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: and the set sold for thirty four hundred thirty four hundred.

1034
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: All right, Lot number one hundred and fifty six a

1035
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and two teen Choice Award surfboard. Jordan, what

1036
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: is your answer? I'm gonna say eight hundred and fifty

1037
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 2: dollars twelve fifty? Wow? Okay, yeah, Sharon's wig Lot number

1038
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: four hundred and seventy two about eight bucks close, two

1039
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. Oh that's coal, that's like, okay, it

1040
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: is it is. And lastly, and this is my a

1041
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 2: photograph of Jane Fonda, as Barbarella does not specify if

1042
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: it was signed. Jordan, what do you think it went for?

1043
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: Three hundred and fifty three hundred and twelve dollars and

1044
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: fifty second? What over? Damn it? Oh boy? Anyway, In

1045
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: their defense all that money went to Sharon's Colon cancer nonprofit,

1046
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: so very nice for them. Anyway, what Ham goes up

1047
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: must come down, that is right.

1048
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: Even though the money was still pouring in, by the

1049
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: end of the fourth season in two thousand and five,

1050
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: the show was on its last legs. Executive producer Jeff

1051
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: Stilton was quoted in the Vice Oral History as saying,

1052
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how we ultimately got fifty episodes out

1053
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: of it. It was limping along at the end like

1054
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: a wounded animal, hemorrhaging.

1055
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 2: Blood away with words.

1056
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what a very ausy friendly analogy.

1057
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: I feel like like a headless bat. And that's when

1058
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: the family decided to go out on top. Sharon later

1059
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: said it would have just 're at our family if

1060
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: we'd gone on forever, and she told our kids, this

1061
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: can't be your whole thing in life. You can't just

1062
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: be a person that's filmed every day. There's much more

1063
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: to who you are and what you want to do,

1064
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: which I feel like is a really strong, beautiful lesson

1065
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: that would very quickly be rendered obsolete by the next

1066
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: generation of reality stars and social media influencers who are

1067
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: filmed every day and there's not a whole lot more

1068
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: to who they are what they do. But it's a

1069
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: very nice thought, Sharon, So thank you for that. Sharon

1070
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: was never more wrong than that until she was. But

1071
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: aside from providing the blueprint for an entire versioning genre

1072
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: of this rich family has the same weird dynamic as

1073
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: your poor one. Shows like Gene Simmons Family, Jewels, Hogan

1074
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: Knows Best, and Keeping Up with the Kardashians were the

1075
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: direct spawn of this show. Really, the Osbourne's also sent

1076
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: the family spiraling off into new and largely successful directions.

1077
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: Jack became a television producer and star, including a show

1078
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: that he did with his day. Kelly eventually transitioned away

1079
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: from music after lightning failing to strike once, and she

1080
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: is now a television personality. Yeah, lightning didn't catch multiple times.

1081
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: In case we do cut most of that, yeah, I

1082
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: go went off on a lengthy tension about Kelly Osbourne's

1083
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: music career and then asked me to cut it for

1084
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: fear that she would dox him, as she did with

1085
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: the stylist who Ozzie cheated on her mother with.

1086
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: But you can look up the statistics. They are out

1087
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: there and they are Grim, but she's been much more

1088
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: successful as an RN air personality. She was on Fashion Police, Project,

1089
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: Runway Junior, and most recently and memorably, competed on The

1090
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: Masked Singer. The Masked Singer. Still I've still never seen that.

1091
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: I still don't understand that. I prefer to think of

1092
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: it as like a glitch in the matrix, like a

1093
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 2: machine just like knocked my head socket port, like slightly

1094
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: out of whack, and I've just like hallucinated it. Sharon

1095
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: meanwhile launched a TV empire of her own. She appeared

1096
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: as a judge on America's Got Talent X Factor. She

1097
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: was a contestant of Celebrity Apprentice, and she was on

1098
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: the Talk for many years until she decided to And

1099
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: this is like, never get into a land war in

1100
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: Russia and never go to bat for Piers Morgan. She

1101
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: was defending Piers Morgan going after Megan Markle and got

1102
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: into a heated exchange with her co host Cheryl Underwood.

1103
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: It is some of the most awkward television I've ever

1104
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 2: seen in my life.

1105
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: And we've just spent the last hour and a half

1106
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: talking about the Osborns.

1107
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And she quit the show two weeks later

1108
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: after the incident. It will presumably be costing CBS millions

1109
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: of dollars into the future. I'm sure she got some

1110
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: kind of walking away money for that. It was a

1111
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: real mess. But the most important thing to come out

1112
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: of this is that, as of twenty twenty two, Ozzy

1113
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: has been sober for eight years. Good for him. We

1114
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: must protect Ozzy. Black Sabbath was inducted into the Rock

1115
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 2: and Roll Hall of Fame in two thousand and six,

1116
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: for whatever that's worth. And he's got a tour scheduled

1117
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: to start in May twenty twenty three because he is

1118
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: the Iron Man. God love him. Hell yes, God save Ozzy.

1119
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: While we're on the topic of Ozzie keeping on trucking,

1120
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: there have been rumors about an Osbourne's reboot show. This

1121
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: started way back in twenty fourteen, when Sharon promised that

1122
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: they would do to start filming something in early twenty fifteen,

1123
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: and Kelly was asked about it in the press and

1124
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: she says she was open to it, but it never materialized.

1125
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: Some people have speculated that maybe doing this show again

1126
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: would be triggering for Ozzie's sobriety. I'm not sure, but

1127
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: as of taping this episode, we are no closer doing

1128
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: Osbourne's family reunion, which is, let's face it, probably for

1129
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: the best.

1130
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: The Osbourne's the show.

1131
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: It's just a snapshot of a time, both for the

1132
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: family and also for us as a country. There was

1133
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: a really interesting theory that Jack Osborne shared, and he

1134
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: attributes a major portion of the success of the show

1135
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: was because it debuted fairly soon after nine to eleven

1136
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: a few months later, and in this confusing time, people

1137
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: put on this show that was very clearly intended as escapism.

1138
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: But as they watched this family that they assumed was

1139
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing like their own, and the slightest they begin

1140
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: to have glimmers of self recognition. And he said, in

1141
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: a way, this is a lot like our family. And

1142
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: Jack says, I think that provided a weird sense of

1143
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: comfort and solidarity in a kind of heady way. And

1144
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: he's also really grateful that the show exists, because he

1145
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: likens the episodes to the greatest home videos anyone could

1146
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: ever ask for. All Right, well, that brings us to

1147
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: the end of the journey of the Osbourne's. We've been

1148
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: musing on this for ninety minutes now. It is still

1149
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: eminently bizarre to me that not only did Ozzy Osbourne

1150
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 1: go from semi washed up rock and roll wild man

1151
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 1: to America's wacky uncle from Across the Pond in one

1152
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: season of television for which he was dramatically underpaid.

1153
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: But that family reshaped modern American television essentially in their image.

1154
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: You know, Jordan, In the end, it really is Ozzy's

1155
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: crazy train and we're all just along for the ride.

1156
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's about all for the Osbourne's.

1157
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm tired, but it's a good kind

1158
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: of tired. Thank you for tuning into too much information.

1159
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: The forty two pills that Jordan took earlier today are

1160
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: finally kicking in, and like a ham launched by Sharon

1161
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: Osbourne across a fence, he's in low earth orbit now.

1162
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: All right, folks, thanks for tuning in to too much information.

1163
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan red Togg. Thanks so

1164
01:00:53,520 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: much for listening. Too Much Information was the production of iHeartRadio.

1165
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtogg.

1166
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: The supervising producer is Mike Johns. The show was researched,

1167
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 2: written and hosted by Jordan Runtogg and Alex Heigel.

1168
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

1169
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave

1170
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: us a review.

1171
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: For more podcasts on iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

1172
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,