1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. Got some things 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: to discuss with all of you. Got the continuing Epstein 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: fallout of all the documents, including Bill Clinton's deposition, now 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: something we can discussed here Hillary Clinton testifying Clay. Just 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: as a follow up, remember when they said that some 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: photo got leaked apparently was being recorded, and so it 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: just a photo came out in advance of the recorded session. 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: So it was really just a total tempest in a teapot. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: The whole thing was absurd. No surprise with any of that. 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: More on the Trump USA hockey relationship. Awesomeness for Americans 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: who love America, but there are some there are some sad, sad, 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: exclamation point malcontents out there who do not love fun 14 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: America Gold Medals hockey and they are annoyed about this, 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: including one athlete who only ever gets attention anymore for 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: being one of those people who is a malcontent and 17 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: cannot celebrate the greatness of USA USA without raining on 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: the parade. A bit update on the NYPD snowball assault situation, 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: which I have to say I am gratified that at 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: least some people. Well, we are, certainly, but the police 21 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: commissioner was taking it very seriously. But as I warned you, 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: I saw this one coming. It's not up to the 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: police commissioner whether these individuals get punished or not. So 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: we will give you the latest on that, some immigrations 25 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: and customs enforcement updates, and then Paramount takes over Warner Brothers, 26 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: clay Our Media m and a expert is going to 27 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: explain why this matters. This is one of those things 28 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: or truly, I don't even know he knows. He could 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: run the org chart for all these places from his head, 30 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: like he actually knows who's in charge and who owns what. 31 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: I don't even there's like Viacom, Discovery Channel, Movie Studio. 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be eddy of this stuff. 33 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a big deal. We'll dive 34 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: into that. But I think probably the number one story 35 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: right now, as we were just talking about off Airbuck 36 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 2: is Bill Clinton is testifying in the Epstein probe. Yesterday 37 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: was Hillary, Today is Bill Clinton. And so let me 38 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: give you my take and then everybody can be angry 39 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: at it. Yes, nothing is going to come of this. 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton is going to answer questions as a smart 41 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: attorney would denying. He's already put out a public statement 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: denying that he had any knowledge of it at all, 43 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: wagging his finger at all of us like he did 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: with Monica Lewinsky, and it's going to be basically impossible 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: to prove that he did anything wrong. Let me tell 46 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: you where this is going, because I do think this 47 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: is signific again, and we'll open up the phone lines 48 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: if people want to weigh in. The Jeffrey Epstein case. 49 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: Whatever you might have thought of it in the past, 50 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: is now the primary method by which Democrats are attacking 51 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and it is illegitimate and it is not 52 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: based in reality. But they have used anger on the 53 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: right and some anger on the left, and they are 54 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: just trying to channel that anger into Trump. And they 55 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: are using Steel dossier like BS, Russia collusion like BS, 56 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: Brett Kavanaugh accusation like BS to now attack President Trump, 57 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: who did nothing of any criminal nature at all. So 58 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: that is where we are. 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: You are. That's a very important observation. I agree with. 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: Nothing is going to come from this. I'm always the 61 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: wampwomp guy here. I told you nothing is going to 62 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: come to the JFK files. Nothing is going to come 63 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: of the Epstein files. Let me be clear. That's not 64 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: the same as saying I don't think that we should 65 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: have transparency into them. Sure, but if there was something 66 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: in there that could be charged, they would have charged it. 67 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: They're not going to release files that say, oh, here's 68 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: this like super powerful rich guy who's actually an underage 69 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: sex criminal and we just didn't even think about this 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: till now. Of course, there's nothing in there that they're 71 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: going to charge. There are things that are unsavory. There 72 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: are things that are make you think. You know, people 73 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: have lost jobs and professor ships, and you know there 74 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: is fallout for sure, but the fallback, the fallout is 75 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: for being a scumbag, and to be clear, not for 76 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: criminal behavior. People are suffering consequences now, and you can 77 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: make of this what you will, but I do think 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a moral panic going on 79 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: where you have some people who are having to defend 80 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 1: themselves on the Trump side of things, who didn't do 81 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: it anything. Yeah, but because they're in the Epstein files 82 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: and this has been turned into this you know, giant 83 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: conspiracy of global cover up and everything else. You know, 84 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: you have to go with the facts, and you have 85 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: to be clear and precise on this, Clay, to what 86 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: you're saying. This is the primary way that people who 87 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: hate you and everything that Donald Trump is trying to 88 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: accomplish for you is trying to cleave Trump from the 89 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: base with this is their weapon right now. They go Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, 90 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: and they say that this as if like Trump is 91 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: somehow the guy who is implicated. He's, if anything, he's 92 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: implicated in being the one guy who's like Epstein's a scumbag. 93 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Why aren't you guys doing more about this fifteen years ago? 94 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: And yet Clay, Democrats recognize that this is now a 95 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: tool that they can use through misrepresenting what's in there. 96 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: And it also goes to why did Trump not really 97 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: want to get in to this? Why did Trump look 98 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: at some of this and realize, you know what's gonna 99 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: happen here. You're gonna get a lot of a lot 100 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: of people are just gonna come to conclusions about this 101 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: that aren't in evidence. And then Democrats are going to say, see, 102 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: it's all Trump, or he's still covering it up, or 103 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: his name is in there. They're going to misrepresent this 104 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: to suggest that Donald Trump is like the primary Epstein 105 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: suspect number one, when that's the opposite of what the 106 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: files actually shows about Donald Trump. Yeah. 107 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: I think what you said is important. People who are 108 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: Trump supporters are being used through the Epstein files to 109 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: attack Trump. And here's two big things that I think 110 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: are here. And again, the story today is President Clinton. 111 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: Former President Clinton is testifying. I don't think anything's gonna 112 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: come of this. I don't think anything's gonna come of 113 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: the Hillary Clinton mess. Was it unseemly yes? Was it 114 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: criminal in nature? I don't think so. Based on everything 115 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: that I've seen, I think it would be very hard 116 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: to charge people criminally. Here are two big facts that 117 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: I think are important that are not getting talked about enough. 118 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: The Trump DOJ charged Epstein. I don't know why no 119 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: one is talking about this. The Trump DOJ. These charges 120 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: that came down against Jeffrey Epstein. They were brought by 121 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: the Donald Trump Department of Justice in twenty nineteen, when 122 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: Trump was still in office. Nobody was charging Epstein, nothing 123 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: was being done. The Trump DOJ charged him. This is 124 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: after the pleading guilty to the interaction with I think 125 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: it was like what Alan Dershowitz told us was a 126 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: seventeen and a half year old messuse for sexual sexual 127 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: assault in that case in some way. 128 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: So point one soliciting a prostitute was actually the charge 129 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: soliciting an underage prostitute. 130 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: Trump's Department of Justice charged Epstein is point one point two. 131 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's Department of Justice had all of these files 132 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: for four years. Not one Democrat demanded that they release 133 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: all these files. Not one Democrat demanded that there be 134 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: any sort of public investigation surrounding Epstein at all. Again, 135 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: Trump's DOJ charged Epstein in twenty nineteen, which led to 136 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: his death when he was eventually in custody suicide. According 137 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: to the FBI, Biden's Department of Justice had these files 138 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: kept in private for four years, did nothing with them, 139 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: and no Democrat made any demands whatsoever. So why do 140 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: I bring both of those things up? Do you think 141 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: that if there had been evidence of criminal wrongdoing that 142 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: Biden's DJ wouldn't have charged Trump in a heartbeat? They 143 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: tried to bankrupt and imprison him for the rest of 144 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: his life. 145 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I just add to this, I don't want to stop 146 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: your flow. They made up crimes to charge him with 147 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: on other things. You don't think that they would love 148 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: to nail him as a sex criminal. They would have 149 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: killed MAGA as a movement in one fell swoop. No, 150 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: of course they didn't have anything on him. 151 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: So again, Trump's DOJ charge Epstein. Biden's ZJ had these 152 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: files private for four years. Not one Democrat said anything. 153 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 2: I think you need to be smart and I think 154 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: you need to ask yourself. Wait a minute, why now 155 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: do all these Democrats claim that they care so much 156 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: about Jeffrey Epstein when they didn't say one word when 157 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: Biden's Department of Justice had all these files for four years. 158 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: Because Trump is right, it's being used as a way 159 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: to attack Trump, and they're using a lot of Trump's 160 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: supporters as the fuel under which they are making these attacks. 161 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 2: I just think might make some people uncomfortable, we'll open 162 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: up phone lines, but that is the reality of where 163 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: we are right now. I also think, Buck, we're dealing 164 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: with a me too, like feeding frenzy. I'll give you 165 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: an example. Howard Lutnick. Whatever you think about him, and 166 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: I don't know Howard Lutnick personally, he took his family 167 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: on a boat and his kids to have lunch with 168 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein in the Caribbean. You might not like that, 169 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: but the idea that he's in some way engaged in 170 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: some sort of nefarious underage sex ring when he took 171 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: his own children and his wife to have lunch in 172 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: the on the Caribbean island, when he was on a 173 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: boat in the Caribbean. This if your an area is 174 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: in there. It's a feeding frenzy, like the me too thing, 175 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: where people don't actually look at the accusations and details themselves. 176 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: But also this is why the dishonesty of Democrats about 177 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: this the Epstein list, when you're really looking at who 178 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: knew about his criminal conviction and that he was a 179 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: scumbag and that there was stuff here because they spent 180 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: a lot of time with him and they really liked him. 181 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: It is a who's who of Democrats. It's a who's 182 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: who of Democrats on the Epstein list, and all they 183 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: are trying to do is go Trump, Trump, Trump Trump. 184 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: They are running a propaganda up, my friends. This is 185 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: why you have to get to manufacturing delusion, because I 186 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: explain in the propaganda chapter exactly the tactics that they 187 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: are using here. It doesn't matter what the facts are, 188 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what's really in the files. They are 189 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: going fire hose of falsehood. This is all about Trump 190 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: and Clay. To your point, this is very important. They 191 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: are setting Trump's own supporters after him and after his 192 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: people on this for months now. And you know we've 193 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: been fielding a lot of the angry emails and calls too. 194 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: First us if like, where do you guys sit here 195 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: in T shirts talking about thinking like I have no 196 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: power to release DOJ files. I'm glad that they've released 197 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: the files, but I want to point something out now. 198 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: What's happened is that there are a lot of people 199 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: who are are you know, they're being essentially smeared for 200 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: any association with Epstein whatsoever. I'm talking about a pretty 201 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: deminimous one. I mean, imagine in the p Didty case, 202 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: think of all the people P Diddy. P Diddy, what 203 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: he was doing was disgusting. He's a disgraceful deviant who's 204 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: now in prison. There are some people that knew and 205 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: that participated and that were probably complicit in his crimes. 206 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people who went to 207 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: his fancy parties. Is everybody who is in p Diddy's 208 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: orbit equally guilty. No, of course not. But what you're 209 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: seeing with the Epstein thing is a lot of selective 210 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: focusing of attention on Trump, on Lutnick on irrespective of 211 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: what the facts actually show. And I think this is 212 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: what Trump was concerned about all along, and he was right. 213 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: All of that is true. 214 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: I would add in the reason why a lot of 215 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: people aren't being honest with you across a lot of 216 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: media about this is because, much like in Me Too, 217 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: if you speak out, a lot of people are afraid 218 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: that they're going to become targets. So there's a lot 219 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: of people out there who agree with one hundred percent 220 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: of everything that Buck and I just said in media, 221 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: and they won't tell it to you because they're afraid 222 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: that suddenly everybody's going to target them, much like in 223 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: Me Too. I'll give you an example. The Matt Damon 224 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: one was a good one. Remember when Matt Damon came 225 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: out and said, hey, you know, there's a big difference 226 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: between grabbing some woman's butt at a party and rape, 227 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: and we should keep in mind that every accusation in 228 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: Me Too is not the same. And remember he got 229 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 2: ripped to shreds by people in Hollywood who said, oh, no, no, no, 230 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 2: there is no difference at like, like, wait a minute. 231 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: You know, the whole reason we have a criminal justice 232 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: system is because there is a difference between grabbing a 233 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: girl's butt at a party and actual rape. And Matt 234 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: Damon tried to say that in the middle of Me Too, 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: and they ripped him to shreds for it, and a 236 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: lot of other people just said, I'm not gonna touch 237 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: it because I'm not gonna get targeted. 238 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: And this is where we're entering moral panic phase now 239 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: with the Epstein thing. You want more, you know, I 240 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: don't know what transparency even would meet at this point. 241 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean there's millions of people have people wanting more 242 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: transparency even read ten of the files that have been released. 243 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's another question here. But you know, if 244 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: you want more answers, that's I respect. If you want 245 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: to know how the dj screwed this up so badly 246 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: the first time around, meaning the release of the documents 247 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: that was a total and we called them out for that. 248 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: It was a you know, a PR disaster. But there's 249 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: a difference than a PR disaster and being a pedo protector, 250 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: which is what I and I'm seeing people on our 251 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: at least ostensibly on the right, who are saying this 252 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: about some of the top Trump people. And I'm just like, 253 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: and we you know, we know some of these people. 254 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: You know, if you think this is what I was 255 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: trying to say, even when there was all that heat, 256 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: Remember there was all that heat on our friend Dan 257 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: Bongino when when he was doing this, and we're like, no, guys, 258 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: he's trying. I promise you he's trying. If you think 259 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: Dan Bongino is protecting pedos, you're a moron. Okay, he's not. 260 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: And I just have to speak honestly to people about this. 261 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: If you think that's happening, you are in the midst 262 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: of a manufactured delusion. Okay, No, Dan fifteen years okay, 263 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: trust me, like the last guy who's gonna, you know, 264 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: bend the knee on something like that when it comes 265 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: to protecting kids. Crazy, but people are and Trump. 266 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: I just I start to lose with it. So no, 267 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: but I think it's important. So the Clinton thing is 268 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: going on, We'll open up phone lines. You can disagree 269 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: with everything we just said. We are right, and I 270 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: understand that the Trump administration has not been perfect Pambondy. 271 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: The biggest mishap of year one was Pambondy trying to 272 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: answer questions about this. And there are lots of people 273 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: in media who have tried to convince a lot of 274 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: people that there's some sort of pedophile ring that's running 275 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: around and everything else. The evidence shows that there were 276 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: a lot of rich guys that wanted access to twenty 277 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: year old models. I mean, that's like ninety percent of 278 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 2: the women. 279 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: That doesn't make you a bad, evil, criminal person. If 280 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: you want to be with a twenty five twenty five 281 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: yearld Victoria's secret model, you're like ninety percent of you know, 282 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: single guys in America. Okay, that there's nothing wrong with that. 283 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: You might think it's skeevy if you're a married guy 284 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: or something that's different, But you know, we just need 285 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: to have these distinctions, all right. I know, take the calls. 286 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Let's go more than fifty percent, let's go, let's light 287 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: them up. More than fifty percent of adult Americans have 288 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: a retirement savings account of four oh one k or 289 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: an IRA? How often do you check it? How often 290 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: do you move money around? And I've got an idea, 291 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: why not make this really simple for yourself. 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It is Friday, 311 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 2: and we will have a ton of reaction from all 312 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: of you. You don't have to agree. Producer Greg says, 313 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: we are flooded already with talkbacks. Every line is ringing simultaneously. 314 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 2: Eight hundred and two eight two two eight A two. 315 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Can I just say, anyone who's gonna call in or whatever, 316 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: and say, can we stop with the Epstein's. We've been trying. 317 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: We've been trying for months. We've been telling you that 318 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: nothing is going to happen, Nothing is going to come 319 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: out of this. People are so angry about this when 320 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: you tell them what is true. They want to be 321 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: told what people were told for a long time before, 322 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: which was the whole big ring of evil doors is 323 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: going to come down. 324 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 2: That's not happening, no doubt. But we will take your calls, 325 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: will react again. Bill Clinton in a deposition right now 326 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 2: as we speak, relating to Epstein. So it is leading 327 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: every news story out there. Look, we want to tell 328 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: all of you, if you love sports, and I love sports, 329 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: many of you love sports. 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That's prizepicks dot com code Clay. 338 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: Prizepicks dot com code Clay for fifty dollars in all 339 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: fifty states when you play five dollars. 340 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and Bock. So we're 341 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: talking about the things going on, including the look you're 342 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: asking why we're talking about because there's testimony on Capitol 343 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: Hill about this right now. People demanded this, They want this, Okay, 344 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: So now we have Hillary up there and here she 345 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: is telling everybody her version of what went on at 346 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: this deposition. This has cut six you could hear from 347 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: Hillary herself. Go for it. You believe this was a 348 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: fair hearing. 349 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: And do you still want to testify publicly even though 350 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: you be a good deposition. 351 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to do it again. 352 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: You know, they had a chance to do it in public, 353 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: and I wish they had done it in public. And 354 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 3: I think they're making the wrong decision avoiding doing it 355 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: in public. I thought it was very repetitive. I thought 356 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 3: that they asked literally the same questions over and over again, 357 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 3: which didn't seem to me to be very productive. Toward 358 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: the end, you know, there were other questions that were 359 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 3: totally off off subject. So if they are going to 360 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: fulfill their responsibilities to literally investigate the investigations, which is 361 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: what they originally said was the scope of their work, 362 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: I think they could have spent the day more productively. 363 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Okay, ma is Hillary. They didn't lay a glove on hers. 364 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: The point here, folks, Okay, does she sound like she's 365 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: rattled after this? Does she sound like, Oh, they really 366 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: got the big one, They really finally nailed me. You 367 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: know this, let's keep you know, we just keep going 368 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: more Capitol Hill. People demand it, people demand it, so 369 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: we'll do more of these depositions. Look, I think, well, we. 370 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: Got a bunch of callers that want to way in 371 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: and a bunch of talkback. All right, uh, all right, 372 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 2: this is I think a good good email guy. Epstein 373 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: is now the number one tool to defeat Republicans in 374 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: the mid terms. We won't know till the elections are over, 375 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: but the Democrats will pound it for the next six months. 376 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: The problem. Republicans really have no way to effectively fight 377 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: this big problem for Trump in the mid terms. Democrats 378 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: know it. I actually don't. I do agree that Democrats 379 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: are going to try to pound it because they have 380 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: sense to vulnerability. But the reality is, again, Trump's DOJ 381 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: charged Epstein and Biden's DJ had these files and didn't 382 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: release them for four years and nobody talked about it. 383 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: I would just hammer that over and over and over again. 384 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: Let's see Andrew and Arizona kf y I g H 385 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: is he cursing? 386 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: Do we block these out? I don't know. Let's see 387 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: Andrew man. 388 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: I give what you guys are talking about it today 389 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 4: because Hillary and Bill? But can we just stop with 390 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 4: the Epstein man? No minds are going to change on 391 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 4: either side, so it doesn't matter. No charges, like you said, 392 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: will ever be brought. Why do we keep bringing it up? 393 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 4: There's much of sick in there. Yeah, we get it. 394 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 4: Do you get over it? 395 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I I gotta say, I crew with Andrew 396 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: think I think and is correct. Andrew is astute political analyst. 397 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: I think Andrews sees this as Andrew, I'm with you, 398 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: and if I could curse on the air, and not 399 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: get a big fun I probably would too, but the 400 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: demands and you're saying, Look, we're not choosing for this 401 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: to lose to run the news cycle today because we're 402 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: also you have a former presidential candidate, a former two 403 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: term president Bill Clinton, are being forced to testify about this. Okay, 404 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: that's what's going on right now in DC. This is 405 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: a politics and Current Events first show. This is happening 406 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: right now. So here we are. 407 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: Here's the flip side. John in Minneapolis. He's furious with us. 408 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: This is cutage. 409 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 5: Guys, What in the f are you talking about? Like, 410 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 5: there isn't much in there. There's a world that things 411 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 5: in there. Let's start with all the blacked out things 412 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 5: and then you can start moving on to like, I 413 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 5: don't know, the five hundred references to pizza and stuff 414 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 5: like that. Are you tending this stuff just doesn't exist 415 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 5: in the world. It's it's kind of maddening to hear. 416 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: What the hell does that even mean? I'm just I'm 417 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: really like, just tell us what you're saying. John. I 418 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: love that you listen to the show, and I appreciate 419 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: that you give us your time, but I need you 420 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: to say things to us that I can understand what 421 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: you're trying. There's five hundred references to pizza. 422 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: I think he's trying to say a pizza Gate connection. 423 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is every email that they have 424 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: from uh, from Epstein, and a lot of times he's 425 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: just talking about pizza. 426 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: Man. I I just have to tell you because you 427 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: said pizza. I know he's referring to pizza. But what 428 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: so what what's this? There's there's still some huge conspiracy 429 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: that there was like a child sex ring in the 430 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: parlor of or in the basement of a pizzeria in 431 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: the DC area, and that the global elites have been 432 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: covering that. Like, does somebody really believe this? Still we're 433 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: still there, guys, Come on, now, you know what, this 434 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: is a big boy show. We have big boy thoughts here. 435 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: We don't want to do agree. We have big boy 436 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on the big boy show. 437 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: There is based on everything that I have seen, no 438 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: actual charges they can be brought against anybody. And to 439 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: Buck's point, I actually think this is a good one 440 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: and then nobody talks about it. If every email that 441 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 2: p Diddy sent over the last fifteen years was suddenly released, 442 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: every somewhat famous person in Hollywood, probably was interacting with 443 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: P Diddy or his agents. And P Diddy has been 444 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: convicted of a variety of crimes. He got not convicted 445 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: of several of them. I don't know when he's going 446 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: to be out of prison, but being in and you 447 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: and I are not in it, So again we're clear, 448 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: like the only people in media that are not named 449 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: in the other there are people. 450 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: In right wing media who are very much not clear. 451 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to name any names because I want 452 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: to play that game, but I'm just saying it's not 453 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: like there are people that you know they're in there, 454 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. But we're not in. 455 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 2: There, so there are no crimes that can be prosecuted. 456 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: And I just I get what this story is. The 457 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: Epstein story to me is Jeffrey Epstein realized that he 458 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: had a modeling agency and if he had constant access 459 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 2: to attractive women, it was going to help him build 460 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: connections across all of the all of the powerful worlds 461 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: of media and business and everything else. And guess what 462 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: he was right, And that's one of the coins of 463 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: the realm that he used was he was a inveterate 464 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: networker who wanted to find ways to be connected to 465 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: powerful people, and the way that he found to do 466 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: it to make more money to be more connected was 467 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: to if you read about it, he had access to 468 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: a modeling agency and a lot of these women who 469 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: were of age. He was pimping out in many ways 470 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: to rich and powerful guys. But again, pumping out may 471 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: actually even be to because it's never been asserted that 472 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: he ever used force or threats against any apor or 473 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 2: was directly paid for sexual And again talking about the adults, 474 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: to be clear, we're talking about adult women here, okay, 475 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: eighteen plus women that he was involved with. He never 476 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: threatened or physically abused any of the adult women, as 477 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: far as I understand. If I'm wrong, we'll correct that. 478 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: And what we would say also is the women who 479 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: are alleging that they were victims of crime. I think 480 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: this is important. I've talked about it before, and this 481 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: is me having been and still being a lawyer who 482 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: has been involved in cases like these in the past. 483 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: These women were paid hundreds of millions of dollars by 484 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's estate by different banks that helped to facilitate 485 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: the movement of cash associated with Jeffrey Epstein, and they 486 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: are able at any point in time to name people 487 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: who committed crimes against them, and they have refused to 488 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: do so. My argument would be, if to anybody out there, 489 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 2: if someone commits a crime against you, you actually are 490 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: doing a disservice by not naming that person or those persons, 491 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: because they're likely to commit crimes against other people. So 492 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: my argument here is, and people say, well, they signed 493 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: NDA's and INDI you can't. They're unenforceable. They're unenforceable, and 494 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: everybody knows it, So the NDA argument doesn't pan out. 495 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: Elon Musk has actually said if you're concerned about legal costs, 496 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: he has said, I will cover the legal cost for 497 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: anyone that wants to bring lawsuits. So this story, when 498 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 2: you actually unpack it, there are a lot of people 499 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: that have come to believe a lot of things that 500 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: there is not evidence for. And my point is, again 501 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: I think this is important. I want to start go 502 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 2: back to it. Trump's doj charged Ebstein and Julaine Maxwell. 503 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: Julaine Maxwell was convicted because of charges brought by Trump. 504 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: One point Zeros DJ and again, if you think Democrats 505 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: have the best interest of the country, at heart here, 506 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: Biden's DOJ had these files, they kept them private for 507 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: four years, they did nothing to release them. Suddenly Trump 508 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: is in office and Democrats are arguing that Trump is 509 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: to blame, that he's done something wrong with Ebsoin. And 510 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: again it's me there to Russiagate all over again. There's 511 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 2: some blame here on the right. 512 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: This is true. There's some blame on the right, and 513 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: blame on Trump for this too. For I think over 514 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:52,479 Speaker 1: promising on the swift and powerful wave of justice that 515 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: would come along with these revelations, etc. I think a 516 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: lot of people feel like they were And this is 517 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: again I agree with this sentiment. And there are people 518 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: in right wing media who are not, you know, pedo protectors, 519 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: but I think they got And I'll say this, I 520 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: believe that there was a much broader Epstein conspiracy. I 521 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: did believe that, and I still think that there are 522 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: things that we don't know, and I still think that 523 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: there are guys who were in the Epstein orbit who 524 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: probably did cross that line into illegality, but we do 525 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: not have proof. And it is immoral to ruin a 526 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: person's life, never mind lock them up for something as 527 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: serious as that or to do that for any reason 528 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: unless you have proof. There's a reason we have. We 529 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: had plenty of proof on Jeffrey Epstein. They had proof 530 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: of Epstein just being a pedophile based on all the 531 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: child abuse exploitation material they found. That he was gonna 532 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: get twenty years to life just on the stuff that 533 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: they found in his safe, never mind the actual physical 534 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: acts that he had done with underage girls. So we 535 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: know that Epstein. Everone agrees he was a pedophile, well, 536 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: a true pedophile. Everyone agrees he was a very bad 537 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: guy and evil guy. There are people that covered their 538 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: eyes a little too much and spend a little too 539 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: much time around him. That's gross. And if you want 540 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: to fire a person for that or not associasm, that's fine. 541 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: That's not a crime. And these are distinctions that still matter. 542 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: It still does matter if someone broke the law or not. 543 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: If you want more transparency on this, or rather you 544 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: want to know why is Trump's DOJ Why are there 545 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: some things that are blacked out? They have said it 546 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: is because of victim protection, It is because of personal details, 547 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: because you're also now at risk of having people you 548 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: mentioned Howard Lutnick. Howard Ludnik from everything we've seen, did 549 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: less than nothing wrong. Okay, I mean, Howard Lutnik is preposterous, 550 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: But they drag his name into this. They're trying to 551 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: destroy people's reputations who don't deserve it. And so he 552 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: saw some of this with the Kavanaugh stuff too. Oh, 553 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: you're protecting a rapist. No, Actually, Brett Kavanaugh based on 554 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: all the actual facts, evidence are really the lack of 555 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: any facts evidence against him. Clearly was not a rapist, 556 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: clearly had done nothing wrong. Epstein clearly bad, clearly a pedophile. 557 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: He's dead. That's that. Jan Maxwell clearly complicit involved, she's 558 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: in prison. Are there going to be charges against other people? 559 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: Just show the evidence even if we don't have the 560 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: evidence though, that's where it stops. 561 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: Even the charges that have been brought in England are 562 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 2: about leaking information. They're not about sex. 563 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: That's just that has political cover, you know, that's cya 564 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: politically has nothing to do with sex crimes. For Andrew, 565 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: because Andrew, and this is the thing that you can 566 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: say to people, and they completely Andrew. Even first of all, 567 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: he says that he didn't do it, and you know, 568 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: there's actually no proof that he did it. To be clear, 569 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: it is a you know, other than there's the accusation 570 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: from the woman, but they don't have the proof that 571 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: he did the thing that they said that he did, 572 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: and he's never been charged with that. Yeah, why hasn't 573 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: he been charged with that? Everybody, Well, do they have 574 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: the evidence? Show the evidence? What is the evidence? An 575 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: accusation alone is usually not enough to throw someone in 576 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: prison for twenty years. We'll take your calls, We'll take 577 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: some of your talkbacks again. One of my frustration class. 578 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: You know, we might go to war with Iron this weekend, 579 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: and people just like I'm stein Voss, like, what do 580 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: you want us to do? Like what these members of 581 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: Congress that are like, we're gonna really rake Hillary over 582 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: the calls? No, you're not. Hillary's gonna smoke you. Hillary 583 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: is no no, uh spring Chicken. You know she's not 584 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: new to this game. You're gonna get what she's gonna 585 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: be like. You know what, You're right. I was right 586 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: there with gig Lane trafficking women. What is the point 587 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: of putting her in a deposition? They're gonna get nothing, 588 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: and they got nothing. 589 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 2: I agree, and I think it's likely to be the 590 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: case with Bill Clinton too, But he is under oath 591 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: right now, so we will see what ends up coming 592 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: out of that, but that is the lead story everywhere. 593 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 2: We'll take some of your talkbacks our greatest ally in 594 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: Middle East, Israel, far and away and right now they 595 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: are were Buck just mentioned it. We're potentially gonna have 596 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: a war with Iran. We'll see what ends up happening there. 597 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: But right now, a lot of you are trying to 598 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: help protect people who are in the Holy Land. It 599 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: can be a small gift like groceries for an older widow. 600 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 2: I saw what they do. They do food banks, they 601 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: do armored vehicles, they build new bomb shelters. That's what 602 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: the IFCJ does because life in Israel is perpetually potentially 603 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: dangerous and a lot of people out there Christians, Jews, 604 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 2: they want to do everything they can to try to 605 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: keep people in the Holy Land safe. By making a 606 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: donation today to the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, 607 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: you're empowering the IFCJ to help those in Israel that 608 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: need it. Learn how you can bless Israel. Be blessed 609 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: in return, visit IFCJ dot org again. That's IFCJ dot org. 610 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: Seek out with the guys on the Sunday Hang with 611 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck podcast, a new episode every Sunday. Find 612 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: it on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. 613 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: Welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Okay, let's 614 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: take some of your calls. We'll roll through. It is Friday, 615 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: open lines. A lot of talkbacks coming as well, Judy 616 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: and Kentucky. 617 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 6: What you got for us, Hike, Clay, I just I 618 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 6: haven't heard anyone remember Clinton when he was president standing 619 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 6: and saying that he had not had any relationship with 620 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 6: Monica Lewinsky's the end female. I just don't trust him 621 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 6: with anything he has to say about this. That's that's 622 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 6: all I got to say. 623 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: Well, look, we agree with you that he's a he's 624 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: a Look, Bill Clinton is probably a sex addict and 625 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: is an inveterate liar. Is that the right word, inveterate liar? 626 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 2: I think that works out there. 627 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no doubt about that. The point is, 628 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: what do you think Bill Clinton's got all of a 629 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: sudden get religion and start telling the truth about this 630 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: stuff in a in a deposition with members of right. 631 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's why I'm just I used to. 632 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: I've said this before. 633 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: I used to do sexual harassment investigations. I would go 634 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: listen and sometimes the women I thought were telling the truth, 635 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: sometimes they were not. Every woman was accusing a man. 636 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: I interviewed lots of men. Do you know how many 637 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: times the men told me that they had sexually harassed 638 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: the women? 639 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: Buck zero. 640 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: They never like the idea, and I get it, But 641 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 2: the idea that suddenly in a question and answer session 642 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 2: a guy is suddenly going to say, Hey, you know 643 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 2: what you got me? I committed you know something that's 644 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 2: going to cost me my job, or in the case 645 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: of Bill Clinton here he's gonna admit under oath something 646 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: that could lead to criminal charges. 647 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: It just it doesn't happen. Thence in Florida. What you 648 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: got for us? 649 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, Clay, Clay and Buck. I listened to you guys 650 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 7: every day. You're great. 651 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 8: So I retired from Department of Homeland Security, and from 652 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 8: all my knowledge and investigations, I could tell you this 653 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 8: Epstein file is going to be a big nothing burger. 654 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 7: There's going to be no prosecutions. Just like if we 655 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 7: all recall Hillary Clinton destroying the server in her basement, 656 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 7: busting up cell phones, what happened there, nothing, ben Ghazi, 657 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 7: what happened nothing, so you know, and Bill getting up there. 658 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 7: The definition of is oh. 659 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're you're right. I mean, in my opinion's buck, 660 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: I think you're right, sir, So thank you