1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. One of the reasons I 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: was nervous to interview my family is especially my husband. 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: They don't really look for the public, you know, to 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: see what they're doing. I met my husband, Stephen when 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: I was thirty and a half. Babe. First of all, 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: everyone who's listening knows how much I love you. It's 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: not a secret. Everyone knows how much I depend on 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: you for everything. Everyone knows how lucky I am that 10 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: we have these three amazing boys that we did together. 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: And you know, without being a little too you know, dramatic, 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: I could not have done anything without you, and I 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: just am really lucky, babe. But if everybody knows that, 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: why are we still talking about We had a mutual 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: friend that I'd always heard about, Bobby. Bobby was like 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: a like a movie story to me, you know, because 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: I had heard her better for so long. Bobby so fabulous, 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: and Bobby and her boyfriend are doing this, then they're 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: going that and going to this party. And so I 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: had heard about her for years, and so one night 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: my friend Kathy said, oh, Bobby, is you know broken 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: up with her? Boyfriend, and she's going to come to 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: dinner with us, because Kathy and I were going to 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: go to dinner, and I said, great, because Kathy wanted 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: to date you. You forgot that part, Oh, I didn't know. 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: She you say that that's not my version of the story, 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: but I didn't know that, and it wasn't part of 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: my It wasn't part of my focus. But in any case, 29 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: I was with someone from the time I was eighteen 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: to thirty and we broke up, and I really just 31 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: had no idea what my next stage was going to be. 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: And a friend of mine asked if she could bring 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: her friends to even to dinner. I remember the night. 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: I was wearing no makeup, wet hair, and a ponytail. 35 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: I think I had a red jumpsuit on. It was, 36 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, the eighties, and I just remember not even 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: thinking about anything and literally getting smacked in the heart 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: with this man that I knew I was going to marry. 39 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: I knew I was going to spend the rest of 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: my life with him. I couldn't explain it. We uh, 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: we went. I picked three places to dinner and Bobby 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: picked the same three places. Anyway, so we had dinner 43 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: and that was it, and that was it. Yeah, that 44 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: was something happened. I didn't know what. Something life changing 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: event happened. And so yeah, I remember not sleeping all 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: night and staring at the ceiling and calling my dad 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: and said, I just met the man I was going 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: to marry. What's his name, Steven? What's his last name? 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: I don't know? Is he Jewish? I don't know. Where 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: do you go to school? I don't know. I knew 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: nothing about him. I just knew I was going to 52 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: spend the rest of my life with him. My has 53 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: been asked me to marry him. After we were together 54 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: three months, we got engaged, and six months later we 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: had a wedding. It was a dream wedding. It was 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: in New Hope, Pennsylvania. We rented basically a spa, and 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: all of our friends came, our family came, and it was, 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, really our party, and it was really fun. 59 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure I was going to get married or 60 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: wanted to be married. But when I met Bobby, sort 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: of I understood the people's inclination to be married, and 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: I never really had gotten it before, like the like 63 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: the thought of spending your a long time with somebody 64 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: and so when I met Bobby, I'm like, all right, 65 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: I get this concept now, and I um, and I 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: kind of knew that a diamond would be involved in 67 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: the process and I have to be some romantic gesture. 68 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: So I started shopping for a diamond and started pulling 69 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: resources because I was you I think I was self 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: employed in a new real estate business at the time 71 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: and didn't have a lot of capital. But you know, 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: I had my resources and started, uh saving, pulling my 73 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: assets to buy a significant enough stone. But in any case, 74 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: so I went to Tiffany's and bought a little with 75 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: a garnet, a little ring, though I thought was really 76 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: cute because I wanted to have a ring. I was 77 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: sort of didn't want to wait for this diamond. I thought. 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: We went ice skating in Central Park. You got on 79 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: your knee, you did, Oh, that's the tradition. Yeah, And 80 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: I had the ring and there was a rock. We 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: sat on a rock. Okay, it's cold, and uh and 82 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: that was it. The rest is history. We've been married 83 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: thirty one years. The most surprising thing for me is 84 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: that when I see him, my heart still flutters. I 85 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: feel it in my stomach. It's just you know, we 86 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: are so similar but so different, and we have both 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: changed a lot. But you know, he's my best friend 88 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: and I just I adore him. And it's the hardest 89 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: relationship in the whole world. Marriage. You just have to 90 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: constantly work on it. This is a very important story 91 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: for me that it was the late nineteen eighties and 92 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: we had been married a year or two, and we 93 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: had a home. We had our home in Montclair, New Jersey, 94 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: and we had a dog named Honey, and we had 95 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: a son, we had a baby, and the real estate 96 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: business was really bad. There was a stock market crash 97 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: of the late eighties, and so all of my real estate, 98 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: which was building apartments in Jersey City, was really affected 99 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: by Wall Street and so all those projects were we're 100 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: doing badly and we're going to for years. And I 101 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: could see that, and I said to my wife, who 102 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: we had just been married a year or two, and 103 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I think. I I better 104 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: go get a real job because this is not going 105 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: to be fun and easy the next couple of years. 106 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: You know, I said, I. You know, college degrees, I 107 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 1: have a graduate degree, probably have a brief I probably 108 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: a briefcase. You know, I can you know, dude, like 109 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: everybody else we know, it does. I can actually go 110 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: try to get a job to don't pay me, and 111 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: you know we compare mortgage and and uh gas bill whatever. 112 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: And and my wife said, she said, this is the 113 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: best advice he's ever given me. She said, that is 114 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say. I did. 115 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I did. I could not imagine you standing there in 116 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: your overcoat with your briefcase, you know, early in the morning, 117 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: late at night, and I look good in the time. 118 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: You do look in the time, But I just couldn't 119 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: see you not having a life that, you know, a 120 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: lifestyle that you wanted to this day. I've never had 121 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: a job since then. I worked one job before. I 122 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: was self employed for a couple of years out of 123 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: grad school, and I realized that I probably wasn't cut 124 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: out to work for anybody else. Well, getting back to 125 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: the point of the story is, I ended up going 126 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: to law school part time at first, but I was 127 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: gone like four nights a week, and we had a baby, 128 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: and I was missing out on those things. So I 129 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: just changed. Before I still went. I pretended it was 130 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: part time, but I went the days and and finished 131 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: in three years and four and a half years anyway, 132 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: So I went to law school and we started a business, 133 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: and I started doing some smaller, more local real estate projects. 134 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: But that's when we started the business, back around that 135 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: sort of crazy time. And then we had another baby 136 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: within another year, and so you know, babies, dogs, houses, businesses, 137 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: law school, you know, it all seem to make sense. 138 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: We you know, if I remember it being a busy 139 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: but fun time, we always seem to find enough time 140 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: to have fun. It was certainly a blur, but it 141 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: was certainly, you know, really good. I always remember being overwhelmed, 142 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: but that's you know, we've been married thirty one years 143 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: and you've been calm, cool and collected while I've been 144 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: overwhelmed for thirty one years. And it seems to work. Yeah, 145 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: but you say that, well, but you don't often act. 146 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: You may in reflection or you know, but you know, 147 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: you sort of just wake up and do what you 148 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: need to do and to get it done and just 149 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I try to hold it all together. 150 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean you do. You have for all these years. 151 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: So the way you make it sound, it seems like 152 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: you bumble through it, but you don't. You do a 153 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: good job. But I must drive you crazy because we 154 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: very different ways of doing things and different habits. Where 155 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: you always say to me, if you would just put 156 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: your keys back in the same place, then you won't 157 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: lose them. Well, if I could do that, then I 158 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't probably have had a business. I would have had 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: a job. When I first had an idea for a 160 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: lipstick and I thought, oh, I could sell these. I 161 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: did it with a chemist and he would make the 162 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: lipsticks and I would sell them and we'd split fifteen dollars. 163 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: We each got seven fifty. When things got more serious 164 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: and I thought about what ten lipsticks could be and 165 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: how this could be. We didn't have the words side hustle, 166 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: but what you know, this could be something on the side, 167 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: and Steven started helping me. Because I didn't know anything 168 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: about books. I didn't know anything about anything. I didn't 169 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: know pr I didn't no marketing. He was a business 170 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: and always had that business brain. I majored in makeup 171 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: in college, and he had gotten two degrees and um 172 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: his graduate degree from Harvard before he went to law school. 173 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: So I'm married smart, I'm married. I married handsome and smart, 174 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: And that was amazing because he really did help me 175 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: in the beginning, and as business grew and we took 176 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: on business partners and then opened Bergdorf Goodman and then 177 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: eventually Neiman Marcus then selling and it was you know, 178 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: there was some really tough times raising kids and having 179 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: a lot to do. How and I am the person like, 180 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: how am I going to drop the kids off? How 181 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: many that I have to go to the GM building 182 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: had of a meeting, Then I have to go back, 183 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, downtown and go to a shoot and do 184 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: a cover and then I got to come home and 185 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: do parents conference. He always said, just breathe, You're fine. 186 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: And any time at night when I would talk about 187 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: my stress, he would you watching Seinfeld, the ten o'clock 188 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: Seinfeld and he'd say, not now, tomorrow will be a 189 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: better day. That was the hardest thing for me, is 190 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: to learn that what you worry about at night is 191 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: much easier in the morning. Bobby kept working and I 192 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: kept going to law school, and people started buying this 193 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: cosmetics product, and we formed a partnership and the business 194 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: kept keep growing, and I got out of law school 195 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: and and did the back office part of the business, 196 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: and the business kept growing, and then it became you know, 197 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Bobby did less and less outside work and more and 198 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: more of the business. And while we sold it after 199 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: four years, which is amazing in retrospect, whatever it was 200 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: for five years, yeah, well, because you know, it was 201 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: getting big. And I looked at myself and said, there's 202 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: better people than than me to run this business. I 203 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: don't have any particular experience, aptitude or even inclination. It's 204 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: not what I want to be doing. And Bob, he said, 205 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't let me doing that either, and so we 206 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: just said, let's do something else, or do something in 207 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,239 Speaker 1: a different way. So we sold the business. I admire 208 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: how absolutely you do everything and you just keep doing it. 209 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: You're so consistent, you don't break, you know, no matter what. 210 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: I don't care if the kids were up all night, 211 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: you still get up and you do what you do 212 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: every single day. You're so consistent, and you look amazing 213 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: because of how you live your life. And I just 214 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: that's that's one regret that I can't no, no, no, no, no, 215 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: I don't not at all, because now this is not 216 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: my you know about Mitzvah so no or my nor 217 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: did he give or nor did he give like a 218 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, one of these speeches to everybody at my 219 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: sixtie or my fiftie, because that's not who he is. 220 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: People usually say to me. Stephen says this, Stephen says this. Here, 221 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: you know you're not a You're not a mushy guy, 222 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: and you know that's yes, yes, no, but you are, 223 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, from people I know in my life. 224 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: Just as far as role models, you have been such 225 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: an amazing role model to me, because yes, I was 226 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: a working mom, and whether you knew it or not, 227 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: I did feel overwhelmed and I had to make a 228 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: lot of choices, and sometimes, you know, I had to 229 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: make a choice about what would be more important. And 230 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: I'll never forget the time that you and Dylan as 231 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: a baby um came into the studio when I was 232 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: shooting a cover Cosmo with Scavolo, and you guys said, okay, 233 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm here to pick you up. And Scovolo had asked 234 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: me to have dinner with him and his friend, Jean 235 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Paul Gautier, and I'll never forget looking at you with 236 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: the baby in your in your arms, and Scovoulo and 237 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: Jean Paul got in and that's when I said, dude, 238 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: you gotta pick it. You gotta pick a door. The 239 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: best door I ever picked. Well, I have kids, and 240 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: I were always yes, but I too many times I 241 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: had to go on trips, and you know you always came, 242 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: and you came with the kids most of the time. 243 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: And you're, you know, someone that doesn't ever do press 244 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: or ask for anything, but really involved dad, like you know, totally, 245 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: even though you gaved candy and his omelets to get 246 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: him to school in the morning or donuts, but that 247 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: was not exactly you know, something that I would have done, 248 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: but you know, I let it happen and he went 249 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: to school, so somehow it's worked out. You know, my 250 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: wife is a wonderful heart, was really giant heart that 251 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: is inclusive of everybody, especially me and her kids, but 252 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: her friends and acquaintances and everybody else. That's really you know, 253 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: she likes who, she loves you, and there's nothing that 254 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: she won't do for her for the people she loves um. 255 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: And she's you know, relentless, I mean, Bobby Is we 256 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: share quality of sort of determination and stubbornness and relentlessness 257 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: and just you know, she is I don't know the 258 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: perfectionist is the right word, but she just knows what 259 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: she wants, what she needs, what something should look like, 260 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: feel like, smell like, and she is, you know, just 261 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: insists on it and just we'll do whatever it takes 262 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: to get something to that point, you know. And there's 263 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: no compromise for Bobby. It's really it's it's all or nothing. 264 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: She'd rather not do something than do it halfway or 265 00:15:54,240 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: half asked or or not in a way that she finds. Yeah, good, 266 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: are great, and so that's that's a quality. And she's 267 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, she's a genius. She's a genius when it 268 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: comes to a lot of creative things. And and it's 269 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: it's one thing to be able to create these products. 270 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: It's another thing knowing how to communicate and to you know, 271 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: to touch people, to reach people, to have a story. 272 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: And Bobby's stories aren't artificial stories. They're not she didn't 273 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: think about what her story should be. They're just the story. 274 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: It goes with the product, it goes with the creation 275 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: of the product. It's not something that's, you know, a 276 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: marketing campaign that's created afterward. I'm married, you know, I 277 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: married someone stronger than me. I don't know if that's 278 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: that an accurate statement, but strong enough um saying the 279 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: only thing I do give myself credit for, one of 280 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: the few things, is it's confident enough to support you 281 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: and not being you know, a competition between us. It 282 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: wasn't you know, if you made more money, if you 283 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: were more successful, if you were you know, um got 284 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: more attention. Fine, it wasn't about me. It wasn't you know. 285 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: And so whatever way I could support you in your endeavors, 286 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: that was sort of the key. And if that meant 287 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: that I had, you know, sort of deal with kids 288 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: more than some of our other friends fathers did, and 289 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: it was fine. It's actually a wonderful thing for me anyway. 290 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: But will you one day take me to the Statue 291 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: of Liberty because I've never seen it. You went with 292 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: the kids when I was doing a personal appearance or 293 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: something that's on my list kids, and I've done a 294 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: lot of things. Yeah, all right, I'd love you. Okay, 295 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: you too, Baba. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, 296 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 297 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.