1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody, 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: what's going on? DJ Buck here for move the sticks? Buck? 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: What's going on? Man? Man, this is a crazy, crazy time. 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Free agency frenzy is right upon us, and I can't 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: wait to see where some of these guys are gonna land. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, just last weekend just seeing everything where everyone 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: was going, uh D'Antonio Brown trade and some of the 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: rumblings of where free agence are going to go. We 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: just know that in a couple of days gonna be bananas. Yeah, 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: we are. I'm gonna say this as we're recording this. 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Trent Brown, it looks like it's going to sign with 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders for a ton of money. Um, they've 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: already made the Antonio Brown trade. We'll get to that 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: in a second. I'm gonna say during this show, we 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: will have a real time update because somebody's gonna sign 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: during this and we can react to it in real time, 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: which is always kind of fun. I mean, yeah, I mean, 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: it's it's part of the deal. But I mean, man, 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: when you put the pieces of the puzzle together, when 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: you're building team. We focus so much on the draft 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: of free agency is a big part of it. And 22 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: so as you evaluate the draft, coming out of the 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: combine and being able to plug in holes where you 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: think the draft is weak. Um, that's what the great 25 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: teams are doing while also keeping it at the right value. 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see how some of these teams 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: are approach it. But man, there's a lot of money 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: to spend. There a lot of players to get, and 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: some of these players that don't get big deals that 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: their player would never live up to, no doubt. Uh. 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: And we always talk about I think the important thing 32 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: to remember in free agency and in the draft is 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: the point we talk about all the time. It is 34 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: proper slotting. Right. It's like building a baseball lineup. You 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: want guys slotted in the right spot. So you get 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: a receiver who's been a great number three. Now you 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: you pay him big money, you ask him to be 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: the number one guy. It's a different deal. Now it's 39 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: a different deal. That's a different deal, and you have 40 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that you don't lead to compensation cloud 41 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: what a player is and what he's potentially capable of 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: doing in a certain situation. I think Pete Carroll said 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: this best and this goes all the way back to 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: the Matt Flint thing. You can't let the cost of 45 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: acquiring air player cloud you from what that player really is. 46 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: And they had to do that when it came time 47 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: to make a decision with Russell Wilson and Matt Flint. 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: You don't want to, like let that situation affect it, 49 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: but you want to make sure you get the players 50 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: that you want, and then you want to put him 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: in the right situation where they can succeed regards how 52 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: much money you have to spend, no doubt. Well, let's 53 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: let's get to this Antonio Brown trade. Uh it was 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: for a third and fifth round pick and uh this 55 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: year's draft, right, Yes, So I mean look, and they 56 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: end up giving him a new contract three years fifty 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: a little over fifty million, thirty of that guaranteed, so 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: had to pony up some cash. I had heard there 59 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: are other teams involved, buck Um that he might have 60 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: been willing to play on his existing deal for a 61 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: year and then and then kind of revisit this whole thing. Um, 62 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: But I think there's other teams. He wanted the He 63 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: wanted the deal done financially before he was going to 64 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: make that move, and man, he was all smiles on 65 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: on social medi I mean, why wouldn't you be like 66 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: you go you go from Look. I don't know if 67 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: we've ever seen this play out like this, but this 68 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: is very NBA like in terms of the squeaky Will 69 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: getting the grease. He wanted more guarantees in his deal 70 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: because all the guarantees was out of his contract at Pittsburgh. 71 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily like the situation that he was in 72 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: with the quarterback end. The quarterback for whatever reason, didn't 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: get along. He wanted a better situation there, and he 74 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: wanted to be compensated for what he has been. I 75 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: saw you talking about looks. Say what you want to 76 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: about a B and the antics. Six years, hundred plus 77 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: catches over twelve hundred yards, UH, a gang of touchdowns. 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: He is, without question, if not the best receiver in football. 79 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: He's in the conversation as the top two or three 80 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: in every conversation, no matter who you stack him up against. 81 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: You now have an opportunity to go from zero guaranteed 82 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: money to thirty million guaranteed. You now have kicked up 83 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: your annual average to about nineteen million dollars. UH. Coming 84 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: closer to being the twenty million dollar man at thirty 85 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: one years old. He's able to do that. So look 86 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: a b one no man, how you slice it, he 87 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: won this negotiation, Well, I look at it too. Reminded 88 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: me of the situation when I was in Baltimore when 89 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: we had traded UH to get t O. And remember 90 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: I was outside Ozzy's office listening to Ozzy called to you, 91 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: but I thought was gonna be a happy congratulatory phone call. 92 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: Didn't go so well. He goes that I'm not coming, 93 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: it's not happening. I want to be in Philadelphia. Ended 94 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: up going through that whole process, think like filed a 95 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: grievance or whatever. The Ravens ended up getting a comp 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: pic out of the deal, and then sure enough he 97 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: went exactly where he wanted to go. Ironically, he was 98 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: dying to play with Donovan and wanted to go to Philly. 99 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: He got a big contract. I was happy for a minute, 100 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: end up up with a great relationship there. But again 101 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: he was somebody else who was dead set on forcing 102 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: his way to get his money, and he got it done. 103 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: He got it done, and so now the trick would 104 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: be for the Oakland Raiders you're bringing in an unknown 105 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: into the locker room. He is an outstanding worker, but look, 106 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: he of the social media life. He is um a 107 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: star and he's a star beyond the football field. And 108 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: so how does that impact and influenced the younger guys 109 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: that you may have on that team? Secondly, how does 110 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: he get along with Derek Carr? I know they played 111 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: together in a Pro Bowl and they appear to have 112 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: this bromance on uh I g but can they really 113 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: get along? What happens when he's not able to get 114 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: him the ball? Um? Does he kind of go off 115 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: on his own? Uh? And then thirdly, how does John 116 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: Gruden manage the situation? Um? I tweeted out like look 117 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: and my experience we grew and having played for him 118 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: his first season with the Oakland Raiders and watching him 119 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: right after that, Gruden likes older players. He believes that 120 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: older players allow him to skip some steps when it 121 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: comes to building out his offense, building out his team. 122 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: Uh I saw him personally when he took Jerry Rice 123 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: and Tim Brown and they're on the back side of 124 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: the career. He made them very, very productive, and that team, 125 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: even though he was gone, eventually made his way to 126 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So how will he script this game 127 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: plan or the playbook to allow Antonio Brown to be 128 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: a dominant player. Um, I think that is going to 129 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: be interesting to watch. And the last thing would be 130 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: do they have another trick up to sleeve? Is there 131 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: one other guy that could be hanging out there that 132 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: they bring in? Maybe maybe a teammate, a teammate of 133 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: a B maybe number twenty six. If he comes over, 134 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: then you're talking about a complete makeover. And you're talking 135 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: about a team that I'm not saying that they are 136 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: contends about. I'm saying an offense that looks very very different, 137 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: but very dangerous on paper. A couple of things. Number 138 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: one on this Antonio Brown thing, pretty simple numbers. Kanna 139 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: see Chiefs average thirty five points a game. The Oakland 140 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Raiders average eight teen points a game. You gotta find 141 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: a way to score more points. And you've got a 142 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: guy and Antonio Brown and led the NFL and touchdowns 143 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: last year receptions with fifteen, So he's a point producer 144 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: first and foremost. If they're gonna be competitive, they've got 145 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: to get more explosive offensively. That helps. I like the 146 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: strategy now that they've gone out and signed Trent Brown 147 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest believer in colpe Miller looks like he's 148 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: gonna be kicking over to the right side, try his 149 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: hand over there. But are trying to spend money. It 150 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: appears offensively in free agency, which would allow them to 151 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: focus defensive heavy in the draft. So it does look 152 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: like there's a clear strategy there. Secondly, changing subjects, Buck, 153 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: we already have a signing. We said we would have 154 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: a signing during the recording and Kwan Alexander four year 155 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: deal with the Forts a linebackerifty four million? Is that 156 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: breaking news? Sound? Four years fifty four million. I was 157 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: just about ready to get in your ear and say 158 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: we have one, but you jumped the gun. You were 159 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: on a DJ. Oh yeah, we'll I mean we might 160 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: have more. But to me this again, Buck, I feel 161 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: like we've been hitting these trends right, run, cover, blitz. 162 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna get paid at the linebacker position. Man, they 163 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: off the ball. Linebackers, the guys that can run are 164 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: super athletic to have some versatility. Uh, definitely are the 165 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: difference makers on defense. The way the game is trending, 166 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: with more teams opting to play offense where they're going 167 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: through the air, you have to have defenders that can run, 168 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: cover sideline. The sideline can make plays against the run, 169 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: but really they can cover people and make those game 170 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: changing plays against the past. And so Kawain Alexander, despite 171 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: coming off an injury, gets big money. So that just 172 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: tells you when we look at the draft and we're 173 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: thinking about Devon White and Devin Bush in any of 174 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: the linebacker that can run, take them up around because 175 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: they're going to be coveted more than the old school 176 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: linebackers used to be. Here's it's here's a fun game 177 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: to play at home. As you're following along with free agency, 178 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: play this game with me. Every free agent that signs 179 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: a big money contract can be directly related to a 180 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: whiff in the draft. Play that game. Yes, forty Niners, 181 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: Kwan Alexander linebacker getting huge money. What the forty Niners 182 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: do in the first round of the draft. Not long ago, 183 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: Ruben Foster off the field issues gone. So not only 184 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: do you end up missing on a player, it's costly 185 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: to replace him. Now. Fred Warner has been a good 186 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: player for them. They hit hit a gym there at 187 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: a b y U. But they spend big money to 188 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: big and Kwan Alexander last year. We talked just a 189 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: second ago, left tackle Colton Miller if he if he 190 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: has a great year as a left tackle, think they're 191 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: going out and signing Trent Brown to this type of 192 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: money buck no chance, no chance. And then even even 193 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: the Antonio Brown move, Look, they they where they were 194 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: in the process with Amar group, and we know how 195 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: great it turned out for the Cowboys, but at the 196 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: end of his time there in Oakland, it wasn't He 197 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: wasn't a player that they thought they were getting when 198 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: they picked him in the top five that year. So 199 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: they move on from him, and now you're spending big 200 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: money to bring in Antonio Brown to replacement. So anytime 201 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: you see big money, you can almost always directly connected 202 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: to a miss in the draft. Yeah, And that's the thing, man, 203 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: Those draft misses, particularly early, are very very expensive. And 204 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: as much as we want to put a lot into 205 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: the process of draft, develop and resign our own players, 206 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: it is very very difficult to draft, uh precisely, and 207 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: to get it right all of the time. The things 208 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: that you have to do, and we've talked about it 209 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: like if we take it like a baseball approach. Don't 210 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: try and hit home runs, Let's try and hit doubles. 211 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: Let's try and get people on base and move them around. 212 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: And don't reach for players even though have a need. 213 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Let's make sure that the player that you take, especially 214 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: at the top of the board, warrants that kind of 215 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: consideration because when you reach and you miss, it only 216 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: hurts you later and now you have to spend double, 217 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: maybe even triple what you have to spend to make 218 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: amends for a correctable mistake, No doubt that's that's exactly 219 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: how it goes down. So forty Niners being aggressive, and 220 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: there's like there's all kinds of stuff floating around on 221 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: Twitter right now with with Odell Beckham, you know, potentially 222 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: being available via trade. I know that's been somewhat shot 223 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: down by Dave Gettlman, but that name is out there 224 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: and the connection has been made to the forty Niners. So, 225 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: like social media and what you believe, what you know 226 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: what's out there. But there's some interesting, interesting rumors floating 227 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: around this time of year. Buck, it's crazy the Odell 228 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: thing to me. I guess the thing that drives me 229 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: crazy about the Odell Beckham thing is no matter what 230 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: the GM says. I just believe so much as a 231 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: conversation around him is just that anytime you say Odell 232 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. You get a reaction, you get a bunch 233 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: clicks and the like, and so it's harder for me 234 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: to separate real from fiction. I just don't know, are 235 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: they really shopping him or is this something we're like, Hey, 236 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: it would be nice for oh to get out of there, 237 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: because I'm trying to figure out what change from last 238 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: year when he was signed to right now at this 239 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: moment beside the money. Yeah, no, it's it's a legitimate, 240 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: legitimate question, but it's it's there's sure's a lot of 241 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: smoke out there, and there's his names out there all 242 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: right before we get to our conversation with Ohio state 243 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver Paris Campbell. Probably should I should have teased 244 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: that at the top, because it's a fun dude to 245 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: talk to somebody who absolutely dominated the combine with his 246 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: performance there. Uh, Top fifty, you got a new Top 247 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: fifty list out buck. No changes for me at the 248 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: top With the first five guys, I've got both Quentin Williams, 249 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Christian Wilkins from Clemson and T. J. Hockenson. 250 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, Hockinson didn't run quite as fast. Don't care. 251 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: The tape is so good, I'm fine with it. He 252 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: knows how to get open and he dominates in the 253 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: run game. So uh, to me, he's a show player. 254 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: A couple changes thereafter, but anything, um, anything catch your 255 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: eye on the list there go ahead far away. I mean, like, 256 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 1: I think the big thing is Montes Wit appears to 257 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: be closing ground. And I noticed that he is ranked 258 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: ahead of clelland Farrell, and I think for some people 259 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: that would be a bit of a surprise. Um before 260 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: after doing whenever the combine, what are the differences between 261 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: the two edge rushes Sweat and Farrell. Yeah, totally different, guys. Uh, 262 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a little bit more edge setting from Farrell. 263 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: So that to me is a feather in his cap. 264 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: Montes Sweat just has elite get off elite bursts. He 265 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: can bend um the length at the combination of the 266 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: athleticism and the length, and he has production. Now Farrell 267 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: has got tons of production. That's that's that's great for him. 268 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: I think you get the production plus the traits, the athleticism, 269 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: there was Sweat. Um, so both good football players in 270 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: their own way, but I go I tend to lean 271 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more towards the athleticism and the upside 272 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: there with Montes Sweat versus Fair. I think Farrell is 273 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: gonna be a uh eight to ten to eleven, you know, 274 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: sat guy in that range every year. I think Sweat 275 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: has a capability to a little bit more than that, 276 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: but also comes with maybe a little bit more risk 277 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: because he does not as good against the run. He's 278 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: not as powerful. So I think Farrell higher floor, Sweat 279 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: higher ceiling. I mean, I can't disagree. I think I 280 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: think the bigger thing is is um, what's the value 281 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: when they come off the board, what system they go into, 282 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: because I think system is really important for Farrell and 283 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: for Sweat in terms of being able to really be 284 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: edge players where they are really able to kind of 285 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: turn it loose and go. Farrell even maybe more so 286 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: than Sweat, because you talked about his issues against the run. Uh, 287 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see. I also see another edge 288 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: rusher and this is one that I want to talk 289 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: to you, and I probably should have mentioned him in 290 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: the same breath. Brian Burns from Florida State UH coined 291 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: into the combine. There were some concerns about how heavy 292 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 1: would he be. Is he gonna be two hundred and 293 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: twenty five twenty eight pounds weighs in heavies super athlete. 294 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: We didn't get in a chance to really talk about 295 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: him at the combine. What do you see from the 296 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: Florida State standout put on twenty pounds? I mean, that's 297 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: it's pretty simple, really, like why did he move up? 298 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: It is not because he ran fast or move around. Well, 299 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: I knew he would do those things. But when you 300 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: hear that he's played in the two twenties and then 301 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he shows up and he's to 302 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: forty nine and carries it really well. Was not a 303 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: bad to forty nine. He has the frame to be 304 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: able to hold that. Uh going forward to me, that's 305 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: a that's a that's a huge concern lifted for me. 306 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: Now he's a little bit similar. There's three with Josh 307 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: Allen to me, Josh, Alan Montez, Sweat and Brian Burns. 308 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: They're they're all kind of in that same family buck 309 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: where you've got guys that are more a little bit 310 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: more finesse rushers. Uh was speed and bend and athleticism, um, 311 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: not as much shock and power and explosiveness in their hands. Now. 312 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: The reason why I have him in the order that 313 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: I do, with Alan being all the way up there 314 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: at number three, Sweat at ten and uh, and then 315 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: you go all the way down there to Brian Burns, 316 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: is that is really to me how they are with 317 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: their hands at the top, from the top to the bottom. 318 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit more shock uh in 319 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: the hands there with Josh Allen to go along with 320 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: all that athleticism sweat a little bit below that and 321 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: then Burns to me, is that next tier but three 322 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: guys with a similar skill set freaky athletes. I mean, 323 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: you can't get enough edge rushers, like the one thing 324 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: that is consistent in terms of what we'll get paid 325 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: and what you have to have when you draft, and 326 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: you have to have edge rushers. And so to that point, 327 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: I want to flip on the other side of the ball, 328 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: because the guys that neutralize those edge rushers are your 329 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: offensive tackles, and I see are Dialer continues to be 330 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: your number one guy, but Jawan Taylor appears to have 331 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: made a bit of a move if I'm not mistaken 332 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: to be your second guy. What is it that you 333 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: like about him, even though he's played extensively on the 334 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: right hand side. Yeah, no, and he stayed that's where 335 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: exactly where I had him before. I think maybe you 336 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: could say Taylor's moved up or down one spot on 337 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: the overall list. But but the order, Yeah, the order 338 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: with dillard Um and then Taylor too, that has stayed 339 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: the same. And then even Jonah who I consider Jonah 340 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: Williams a guard um, but that order has stayed the same. 341 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: The difference probably of that whole offensive line group is 342 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Cody Ford slid down a little bit for me. I 343 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: was a little bit disappointed just in the overall athleticism 344 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: with him buck m But the rest of the list, 345 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, kind of they were all clumped together. Now 346 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: is a little bit of separation there between those three 347 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: and Ford. But to me, look passing league, I'm gonna 348 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: stick with the best pass protector and Andre dillard Um. 349 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't think Jowan Taylor is far behind him, and 350 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: he actually gives you more in the run game. So 351 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem at all if you had 352 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: that flipped Um because you say, okay, he's he's he's 353 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: a good pass protector, he's great in the run game. Um, 354 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: so I can understand how you'd have Juwan Taylor over Dillard. 355 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a conversation that's fair to have. Uh. 356 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: Those two guys are very close there. Uh. I mean 357 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: they're two spots away one the Dillard's eleven and Taylor's thirteen. Um. 358 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: And then the conversation gets into Jonah Williams, whether you 359 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: believe he's a guard or a tackle. Uh, he's a 360 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: good football player. I see him inside. And then after that, 361 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: to me, there's a little bit of a drop off 362 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: and then really buck you start getting into that. Those 363 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: the thirties and forties. I like it. I like the Yes, 364 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: there's a good cluster of offensive linemen in there, you know, 365 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: those both tackles and guards. I think the second round. 366 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: If you want to go d D line in the 367 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: first round, and uh, and you want to go offensive 368 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: line in the second round, I think you're gonna love 369 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: who who's gonna be a built available for you. There's 370 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: some good football players. There are some good football players. 371 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: And I'm looking right now, I'm looking at thirty eight 372 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: and Dalton Reisner. I'm looking at UH forty one Klea 373 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: McGarry and they and Eric McCoy to marry McCoy. A 374 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: center is is outstanding. Had a conversation with someone that 375 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: worked him out, helped him get ready, and talked about 376 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: his athleticism and how good he he is and how 377 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: good he think he can be at the next level. Um, 378 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: there's a guy at fifty, Titus Howard from Alabama State 379 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: that's kind of into the thing. And it's interesting that 380 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: you brought him up because I had this conversation one 381 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: at the East West Shrine game when um, a scout 382 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: a man, the kid at Alabama State is someone that 383 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm really really high on. Uh Dan had a chance 384 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: to talk to him at the combine. He is athletic, 385 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: and I think the biggest thing about Titus Howard and 386 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: his story you just don't see quarterbacks transition to tight 387 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: end into offensive tackle. It is a remarkable transition for 388 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: a high school quarterback to end up as an offensive tackle, 389 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: to be one that is good enough to be classified 390 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: as a top fifty prospect. It says a lot, what 391 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: do you like about him on tape? Well, to me, 392 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: just the the athleticism. I like that there's always a 393 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: small school offensive lineman in the second round range. We've 394 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: seen it. We go back to Tarrant Armstead and uh 395 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: and what he became there for the Saints. Um. But 396 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: there's a sweet spot there and there's always one of 397 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: these guys that emerges. Now and the Senior Bowl was 398 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: up and down a little bit inconsistent Buck, But I 399 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: start with the framework of having a big time NFL 400 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: body that you can you can build around. He can 401 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: put on more weight, he can hold a lot of weight. 402 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: And then he's got some He's got great feet, he 403 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: flashes power. Um, knows how to use his hands. Now 404 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: he just needs to get continue to get physically his core, 405 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: get a little bit stronger. Um, those things are gonna come. 406 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: For a small school guy is a little bitundeveloped that way. 407 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: I think you'll see that improve rapidly. But like a 408 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: debate that I had for this fiftieth spot, he's number fifty. 409 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: You've got him. Then you've got Max Sharping from Northern Illinois, 410 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: who's a little bit more sturdy. Um, he has some 411 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: technique things he can kind of clean up a little bit. 412 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: He's at Northern Illinois. I mean it's not like he's 413 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: in Alabama, but he's at a bigger program there. He's 414 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: a little bit further ahead in his development. I think 415 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: for year one, uh, you might like what you haven't 416 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: sharping a little bit more. But Titus how Tyas Howard 417 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: has a little bit more upside, a little bit more 418 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: room to grow. But those are the fascinating conversations that 419 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: are happening in uh, in draft rooms as we go 420 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: towards the draft. They're fascinating. So um, the fascination for 421 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: me continues. Um. Uh, come a step. One step outside 422 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: of offensive tackle is tied end and um and looking 423 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: at the number five, you have t J. Hockensign where 424 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: he deserves to be. I think he's he's the top 425 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: tied end. But no offense you have at fifteen? How 426 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: much separation do you see between the guys and what 427 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: are the differences when you evaluate the gonna take? Yeah, 428 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: and and trust me, I love Hockinson and there are goes. 429 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: Some teams are gonna have no offense as a top 430 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: tight end because he's more explosive. There's some teams buck 431 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: that think no offense just an X like just he 432 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: could a big compared them, like comparing to Vincent Jackson. 433 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: You remember scouting Vincent Jackson. Yeah, yes, not that dissimilar 434 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: in terms of their athleticism. So you know there's some 435 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: teams view him that way. He's a he's a true 436 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: mismatch tight end the passing game. He's functional in the 437 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: run game. He's not terrible, he's functional. Uh. T J. 438 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: Hockenson is dominant in the run game. T J. Hockinson 439 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: to me, is a better route runner, has a better 440 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: sense of being able to use leverage and set guys 441 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: up option routes. He's going to be more comfortable in 442 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: that realm. No offense is gonna blaze right by. He's 443 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: gonna run right past you. So you're gonna use him 444 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: on deep overs, uh, takeoffs, Uh, those types of things. 445 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna scream him down the scene. He's gonna make plays. 446 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: But Hockinson, to me, I thought was a better route runner. 447 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: I thought he had more consistent natural hands, and he's 448 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: just an elite player in the run game. So that's 449 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: why I have him there, And I fully acknowledge no 450 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: offense could go ahead of him, and no offense could 451 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: be somebody that uh that sets the world on fire 452 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: because he's a big play waiting to happen at the 453 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: tight end spot. He is a big play waiting to happen. 454 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: When you watch the tape, it's really fun because you 455 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: don't see teams at the collegiate level. They do some 456 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: of the creative things they do with the tight ends. 457 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: Two tight ends on the field, uh, pushing those guys, 458 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: uh vertically, really taking advantage of both of their skills 459 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and their athleticism. And then what you see with t J. 460 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: Hockenson in the run game. He dominates people. And we 461 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: saw an off season where Rob Gronkowski dominated the game, 462 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, by rarely touching the ball, but just controlling 463 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: the game at the line of scrimmage, just kind of 464 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: grinding it out. And so I am all about it. 465 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of love the fact that the 466 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: tight end position is back in vogue. Um, I want 467 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: to go to defense. I want to I want to 468 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: continue to talk about. Man, you have so many interesting things, 469 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: because I do think this draft is unique. There are 470 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: four corners that are because it just caught my one, two, three, 471 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: four within like a six or seven pick radius and 472 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: in order. The way you have it is Byron Murphy, 473 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: Rocky Sin, DeAndre Baker and Greedy Williams. I don't know 474 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: if some people would uh it made have it flipped? Um? 475 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: What do you think about the corner class overall? And 476 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: what is it about Byron Murphy that made him your 477 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: number one guy? And I'm not saying that I disagree 478 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: with him being number one? Yeah, I looked and to me, 479 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: the pass rushers we talked about, I focus a little 480 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: bit more on ceiling with those pass rushers, um and 481 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: and I and I say that I don't think those 482 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: guys their floors is ridiculously low. It's just there's maybe 483 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: a little bit more risk with those pass ords with 484 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: the corners. Uh. When I go back and look at it, 485 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: when I've been a little more conservative at that position, 486 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: I've been better served, you know. And turned Avious White 487 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: is the poster child for it. I know what I'm buying, 488 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 1: I know exactly what I'm getting and I can win 489 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: with him. And to me, that's when I look at 490 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy and Rocky Sin, to me, those are right 491 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: in the fairway, um high high floor and uh, it's 492 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: still a good enough ceiling, you know. I think those 493 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: guys have a chance to go to some Pro Bowls 494 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 1: be really really good football players. Now they're not Patrick Peterson. 495 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: I don't think there is a Patrick Peterson in this draft. 496 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think there's a Denzel Ward in 497 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: this draft. I don't think there's a Marshaun Lattimore in 498 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: this draft. So to me, when we start talking about 499 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: guys that are in that bottom one, top of two, 500 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: trade Avious White is my north star. Uh, That's why 501 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: I point to and that's why I go with those 502 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: two guys. DeAndre Baker I had as a top corner 503 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: coming into the combine, but these guys are all clustered together, 504 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: and that's where the combine can be great because I 505 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: can watch these guys run around, I can watch their 506 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: movement skills and I kind of compare them. And to me, 507 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: I thought DeAndre Baker came in, came in third compared 508 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,719 Speaker 1: to those top two guys and then Greedy Greedy Williams. 509 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: To me, is the if you there's a couple of guys, 510 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: if you said, uh, four years from now, he's been 511 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: to three Pro Bowls and has emerged as an elite player, 512 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: wouldn't totally shock me. Four years from now if his 513 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: drafting team was looking to move on. It wouldn't shock me. 514 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: I just think there's a there's a lot of range 515 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: of what you can get there. There's a lot of range. 516 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: And it's funny that you have this kind uh have 517 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: him ranked this way because I do believe like I 518 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: had the way that I had earlier. I got a 519 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: new top five that will come out tomorrow, but my 520 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: initial lists, I had Greedy Williams at the top. I 521 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: had Byron Murphy right after that, DeAndre Baker um and 522 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: And I think the thing about Byron Murphy is I 523 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: just believe in what I'm getting. I know exactly what 524 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting, And I think for coaches a lot of times, 525 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: it's easy to take a player who may not have 526 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: the highest ceiling, but you know exactly what he's getting. 527 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: You know how to plug him into your defense. You know, 528 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: whatever his issues or limitations are, you're fine with. But 529 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: you know each and every week he's going to be 530 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: the same the issue that you have with talented players. 531 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: And we'll just use Greedy Williams as an example. Um, 532 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: he could be a guy that is a lockdown corner 533 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: one week, but the next week he could get his 534 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: back beat out, and it is hard to account for 535 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: that when you're putting plans together. And so sometimes, and 536 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: this comes directly from the mouth of a couple of 537 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: defensive back coaches and de coordinators, they told, man, sometimes 538 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: you just want a really good football player, and the 539 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: talented guy who kind of gives you the up and 540 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: now stuff. They scare you. They've said that we've been 541 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: burned enough by these guys that kind of fluctuate that 542 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: I would rather note that I'm taking maybe a lesser talent, 543 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: but a more consistent player because I knew I can 544 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: win with that player. And I think that is reflective 545 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: in these rankings, and I think that's kind of the 546 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: way that the league is going. We like the super athletes, 547 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: but really on draft day, I want to make sure 548 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: that we hit doubles. I want to make sure that 549 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: the guy that I take is going to be a 550 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: consistent starter for four or five years on their rookie deal, 551 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: no doubt. And that's to me, that's when you have 552 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: ties that need to be broken. Now, that's that's how 553 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: I I broke those, you know, So to me, that 554 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: you've got similarly graded players um at the corner position, 555 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: specifically that one. I've just over history betting on the floor, 556 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: over the ceiling has worked at that position, so that 557 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: that's why that's why I went there. It does um man, 558 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: if we could go on and on, but I can't 559 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: let you go there. Two things. One introduction to Justin 560 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: Lane from Michigan State. What do you like about him? Quickly? Yeah, No, Look, 561 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: he's he's somebody that's very much in the mix. And 562 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if we go through this draft 563 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: process and we look back and he emerges as the 564 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: best corner in this group. Former receiver, He's got good 565 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: ball skills, finds the ball. He didn't have a lot 566 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: of pick production, but he gets his hands on a 567 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: lot of balls. He's he can play up, he can 568 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: play off. He's very patient, he's very fluid, he's very smooth. 569 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: Um Ran plenty fast enough buck to me, I think 570 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: he's a classic second round corner. Yeah, I think, I think. 571 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: I think he's pretty good. I think he's a really 572 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: good player. He made his way into it. And then 573 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: running back Miles Sanders from Penn State, uh after the 574 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: combine more conversation about him and the running back class 575 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: is really interesting because I don't know if there are 576 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of stars. I mean, I think the only 577 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: guy who really has a legitimate chance of being a 578 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: first round pick is Josh Jacobson. We'll see what he 579 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: looks like after his pro day. But Miles Sanders in 580 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: in a class where everyone is kind of clumped together. Um, 581 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: I think he benefited from standing out at the combine 582 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: and finally kind of getting away from the shadow sa 583 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: Kuon Barkley, What do you like about him? Won't take? Yeah, 584 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean you start just simple heightweight, speed. He checks 585 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: all those boxes, he runs hard, he catches the ball 586 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more than some of these other guys 587 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: in the class. Um, so that's a good place to 588 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: start from. Um. I went back. I had watched him 589 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: a little bit later. And this is why, you know, 590 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: I always try and tell people and they ask, how 591 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: does this guy move on this list and how does 592 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: he look? This is a marathon, not a sprint. All 593 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: that matters is when you arrive on draft day, which 594 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: you can get the guys in the best order you 595 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: can possibly get him in. So it's a it's like 596 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: a it's a living, breathing document. Buck In like he's 597 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: somebody that I'm talking to a couple of different teams. So, man, 598 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: he had a great combine. I liked him. I kind 599 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: of had him more in that third round range, but 600 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: he looked a little bit better than that. Okay, what 601 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: games did you watch? Okay, I tell him what games 602 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: I watched. You need to go watch him early in 603 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: the year. Watch him early in the year. You're gonna 604 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: see him at his best. Um. He kind of fought 605 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: through some things after that. So I go back and 606 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: I watched a pit game. I watched app State, which 607 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: I was the opener um. And so those two games, 608 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Okay, now I see it a little 609 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: bit more. I see a little bit more of that 610 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: juice that we saw on the workout. I saw that 611 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: translate here. Um. So to me, Uh, that's why this 612 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: time of year is great. And and I'm not even 613 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: he's not in concrete in terms of his relationship to 614 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: David Montgomery. I want to go back and do a 615 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: little bit more on Montgomery, who's forty nine. He's right 616 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: behind him, uh in my running back order. But that's 617 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: gonna be continuing to jostle for position. As you get 618 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: to watch and complete the scouting process in order to 619 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: get information on these guys ready for the combine, you 620 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: kind of go with a little bit of a thin 621 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: layer on on all these guys. And now we're gonna 622 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: get to breathe a little bit, buck and find these 623 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: clusters we talked about and really dig on them and 624 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: sort them out. Yeah, I mean this is a fun 625 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: part of the process. And in fact, I kind of 626 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: like going over list. I think the conversation that we're 627 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: able to have over prospects is one that is very 628 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: very similar to what we would do in meeting rooms, 629 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: going back and forth debating, um uh, weighing the pros 630 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: and cons of players, how do we stack it. That's 631 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: where we are in the process right now. Um, after 632 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: the combine, everyone has the information and the board, as 633 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: you say, is it's not all the way in concrete 634 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: like we're just kind of tweaking and putting guys and 635 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: reordering guys based on the athleticism and additional film work. 636 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: And so, uh, that's where we are. And so your 637 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: top fifty list is new, uh, everyone to get a 638 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: chance to check it out. My top five list, um 639 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: will be updated and tweaked and we'll see I'll follow 640 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: that later today, and a lot of it is due 641 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: to more conversations, more film study, and a studying of 642 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: the numbers of the athleticism that was compiled at the combine. 643 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: No doubt it all kind of goes into that. That's 644 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: stew there to kind of put this whole thing together. 645 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash Bucky Brooks. By the way, you'll 646 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: be able to find Bucks a new top five lists 647 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: posting posting shortly, so I'm looking forward to that. We'll 648 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: talk about that on the next pot as well. Bucked 649 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: um hey, before we before we're going further fun chat 650 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: there on the top fifty Ohio State, Buck Eyes, They're 651 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: always gonna be in the top fifty discussion because you 652 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: have every year. Uh. This school continues to churn out 653 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: players and could not be more excited to talk with 654 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: one of them right now. All right, Buck excited to 655 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: be joined by one of the most explosive players in 656 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen draft class, Ohio States. Paris came with Paris. 657 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm great man. How you guys doing, 658 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm no good. First question is, uh, man, the combine 659 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: did did did you hit every single Did you know 660 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna hit every single mark that you hit when 661 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: you went there because you put on a show. Yeah, 662 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: for for the most part, I did. I'm not gonna 663 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: letch you guys. Was kind of disappointed when Day hit 664 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: four twols. But you know, I'll take four three one 665 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: for sure. I wish I could be disappointed with four three, 666 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: you know. To that point, Paris, There's been a lot 667 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: of conversation about you coming out of the combine, as 668 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: if maybe some people didn't recognize your speed and explosiveness. Um, 669 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: coming into the comba, what were some of the things 670 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: that you wanted to prove and did you prove that 671 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: beyond just running a fast forty right? Um? So number one, 672 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: I think the number one thing I wanted to prove 673 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: it my route running ability. I might think that that 674 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: was kind of slept on coming into the combine, and 675 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, just from my film, you know, in college, 676 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: I didn't you know, run a variety of routes just 677 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: based on the position I played. So that was number one. Um, 678 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: and I felt like I had cleaner routes. I was 679 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: able to you know, sing my hills. Well, um, it's 680 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: just show my you know, my speed. And out of Cousin, 681 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: I think that was a positive for me. Yeah, one 682 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: of the things. I'm glad you mentioned that because you did. 683 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: You you were in outstanding routes there at the combine. 684 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: When I go back and look at look at my notes, 685 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: like a couple of the questions that I had, Um, 686 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: you did a nice job with at the combine. I thought, look, 687 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: you didn't run off writer routes, but there were times 688 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: I thought maybe at the top you were a little 689 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: bit methodical in terms of getting it out, but you 690 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: didn't have to do it very much. And the other 691 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: thing was just adjusting to some balls down the field. 692 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: I thought that would be something an area you can 693 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: improve on. Clearly you've put in the time and both 694 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: of those areas because it looks so clean and smooth 695 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: at the combine. Yeah, definitely. Uh, just this whole you know, 696 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: this whole process, that's been my focus, you know, working 697 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: on my weaknesses and obviously you know, you just pointed 698 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: them out and I knew it. I knew it right 699 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: off the bat, you know, coming out getting ready for 700 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: this process. Um, so dee ball tracking, you know, local 701 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: and those balls. Definitely another thing that I wanted to 702 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: prove out the comboy, which you know, I think I 703 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: did as well. You know, go Buck, I'm going to 704 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: that pro day, so I'm gonna I'm gonna just see 705 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: it one more time. I get one more time to 706 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: see it. Then I'm in. I'm I'm board in the 707 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell training and I'm leaving the station. But I 708 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: can see it one more time. That's funny, you know, 709 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: you know it's funny because uh and talking to Paris 710 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: a little bit before we started the interview, we talked 711 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: about that role that he plays in Ohio State, the 712 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: h back role. It's the role that Percy Harvin made 713 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: famous for Irbanyad, Florida. Curtis Samuel played in that role. 714 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: But it's different going to the National Football League because 715 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: you felt like people didn't get a chance to see 716 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: your route running. How much have you really worked on 717 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: other aspects of playing wide receiver to get ready for 718 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Yeah, so honestly just started with 719 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: his last season. You know, of my senior my senior season, 720 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: coach Hardline was a huge hunk for me. Having him 721 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: as a coaches last year really not only help myself 722 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: but helped all the rideouts, UM and running was you know, 723 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: one of his his his techniques that he takes very serious. Um. 724 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: It was just something that I kind of took for him. 725 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: Um that led me on into this process that helped 726 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: a lot. Um. So the route running number one obviously 727 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, um standing on top of my handstanding on 728 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: eye coordination, de bar checking like I mentioned, Um, you know, 729 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: those are kinds of the two main things that I 730 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: felt that I needed to prove um at the combine, 731 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, going into pro day same thing. So those 732 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: two things definitely I I was on top of this 733 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: whole process. One one piece of free advice I'll give 734 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: you is that you know your boy Mike Thomas, who's 735 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: had a phenomenal NFL career, He went can't guard Mike. 736 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: So I think if you can set your handle up 737 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: to can't run with Paris, we can kind of match 738 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: what he's doing there, right and get your get your 739 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: creative handle right, right, I guess. So, huh have have 740 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: you had any relationship with Mike though? I mean, look, 741 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about study studying route runners 742 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: at the next level, you don't have to go very far. 743 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, one one guy that you guys got a 744 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: chance to claim as your own there at Ohio State. 745 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: Mike Thomas is as good as it gets when it 746 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: comes to route running. Yeah, indeed, you know, and Mike 747 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: came back to a lot of our games actually this 748 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: past season. Um, and I might always give us tibids. 749 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: You know, I'm able to text him FaceTime and whatever. Um, 750 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: he's actually been a huge help from myself as well, 751 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: just because you know, he knows the transition, especially him 752 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: knowing the Ohio State offense, knowing the role that I played. 753 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: He knows the transition I'm going through right now. So 754 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: he's been a huge up as well. You know, I 755 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: can't let you go because I have to dig in 756 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: the way back machine and I have to look at 757 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: your background. And in high school, I noticed that you 758 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: went to a high school that has a famous along. 759 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: You went to Saint Mary St. Vincent High School, which 760 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: is the home of Lebron James, who was also an 761 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: honorary buck Eye. I don't know if you have any 762 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: relationship to the kid, but is there anything that you've 763 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: seen in his career or doing his time that he 764 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: comes around the program that it's kind of inspired you 765 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: will kind of help you want to get to the 766 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: next level. Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I 767 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: saw from you know, Lebron was actually when I was 768 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: in high school. Um, he actually came around a lot 769 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: um during the be A lockout. You know, he actually 770 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: came and practiced with the football team, which you know, 771 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: everybody was kind of just shocked that he even did that. Um. 772 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: And then you know that's the time went on. He 773 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: got new uniforms for the entire school, every sport. Um. 774 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: So he's just all about giving back, man, and that 775 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: that's something that you know, stuck with me, just because 776 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: he never forgot where he came from. So you know, 777 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: he's a legend back in back on Ohio for sure. Yeah, 778 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: you guys do have a little bit of relationship to right, 779 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: I've seen him him him actually a little bit on 780 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: Twitter and give me some love. Yeah that's my guy Manum, 781 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: that's kind of just been built once again back through 782 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: high school. Um, you know, meeting him a couple of 783 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: times and you know seeing him, you know, him giving 784 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: me advice here and there. Um, So it's been built 785 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: over time, you know. But he just likes to see 786 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: no kids from acting succeeding and you know trying to 787 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: follow his path for sure. You guys have a a 788 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: loaded receiving corps. We're gonna see, uh, this group go 789 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: on to the next level. And McLaren and he's a 790 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: fun player to watch as physical as he is. You 791 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: guys talked about Giant Dickson before we got rolling. Um, 792 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: but you guys have something in common and that you 793 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: have one of the top quarterbacks in the country throwing 794 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: you the ball. All right, what can you tell me? 795 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: Give me something about your quarterback Dwayne Haskins that maybe 796 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: most folks don't know. Um. Honestly, I would just say, um. 797 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: At first. You know, when Dwayne came first came in, 798 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, everyone knew he had talent. I think just 799 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: where he lacked was just the leadership and he took 800 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: it an extraordinary role. Um this past season and leadership. Um. 801 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: Everyone knew he could throw the ball, everyone knew that 802 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: he would be you know, um, you know this highly 803 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 1: highly tilted quarterback. But everyone, you know, was concerned about 804 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: his leadership and just the way that he took the 805 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: bull by the horns on this team. The things that 806 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: he did just throughout each game. You know, he always 807 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: was poison the huddle. You know, he always kept guys 808 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: going kept spirits up and that was huge for us, um, 809 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, because we needed that from our quarterback, especially 810 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: you know with j C. Burry leaving and him being 811 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: the leader that he was. Um, Dwayne really stepped out, 812 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: UM and just became that leader that we needed for us. 813 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: You know, beyond his leadership, what else does Dwayne Haskins 814 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: bringing to the table? When did your starting quarterback? I 815 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: think he brings swag. That's the number one thing that 816 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: I think of. Um. You know, he steps on this field, 817 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: he knows, he knows he's the best quarterback. Um. He 818 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: just brings that swag and that allows you know, for 819 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 1: the receivers, the running back to the lines just played 820 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: with confidence, UM, knowing that our quarterback has a confidence 821 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: not only in himself but in us as well. I 822 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: want to know what type of an athlete is because 823 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: that's been one of the concerns, right it is, you know. 824 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: I some some folks said he was too athletic. Other 825 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: folks said, okay, we question a little bit company around now. 826 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: Now get have you have you hooped with them? Like, 827 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: give me something about the athletically that we can pump 828 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: him up a little bit. What we got I think 829 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: I said, he's an athlete when he wants to be here. Uh, 830 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: I think. I think if you go back to the 831 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: you know, the Maryland game. You know, he actually had 832 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: a couple of Russian touchdowns that game, and uh you 833 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: know they were they're forcing him out of the pocket. 834 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, like I said, he's an 835 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: athlete when he wants to be so he he has it. 836 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, he just got a big, deep, fine day 837 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: that I love it. So now on the other side 838 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: of the board, man, look, oh your state, it's been 839 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: loaded with defensive out particularly on the defensive line. You 840 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: got another story that is coming out and Nick Bolson. 841 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: When you think about Nick Bolson, what comes to mark unstoppable? 842 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: That's the first word, Um, honestly, you know, being an 843 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: offensive player, but uh, you know, just having Nick around. 844 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: I used to go back and watch practice film and 845 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: him just go through one on ones and it was, honestly, um, 846 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: some of the most amazing stuff I've ever seen in 847 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: football field. Man, He's he's elusive, super athletic and just 848 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: to be that big and be able to move the 849 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: way he does, um, you know, he's unstoppable. I don't 850 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: think I've ever seen him get blocked, you know, in 851 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: game or in practice. So he's just really unstoppable guy. 852 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: Is there any story as anybody ever like talk trash 853 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: to Nick or or got him stirred up a little bit? 854 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: Because I look, I I worked, I do Charger games 855 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: during the Fall Paris, and I know Joey is just 856 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: very even keel, Like, is anybody been able to get 857 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: under his skin? Like, has he ever gotten a fight 858 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: or anything? No? Not not one him. Enjoy are kind 859 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: of one and the same man. They're the same people, 860 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: same guy, And even if you did talk smacks them, 861 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: they probably just look at you and lined up for 862 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: the next rep and beat you, so it would it 863 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: would be worth it. That is that is remarkable. So look, 864 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: we we have the combine, uh in the review mirror, 865 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: we got the pro day head. What are some of 866 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: the things just want to get done heading into the 867 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: pro day to kind of solidify yourself as a top 868 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: pic um honestly, just do the same things that I've 869 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: been doing, working on the same things, and just continue 870 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: to contike my craft. Man. I think the Combine was 871 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: a huge step for me um in the right direction, 872 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: and I just want to show that I'm not. You know, 873 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 1: it's not a one hit wonder thing with me. I'm 874 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: able to do it over time. And I'm consistent, man, 875 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: So consistency is key right now. No, that's that's great man. 876 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out there. I can't wait to see 877 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: you in Columbus. You're building this momentum man. You you Uh, 878 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: the way the year finished up for you was on 879 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: an upswing and then you take that over to the combine. 880 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: You torch the combine and now you get one more 881 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: opportunity at this pro day. Uh. Keep stacking success on 882 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: top of each other there. Congratulations man, and it's gonna 883 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: be a fun ride for you. Appreciate you taking some 884 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: time for us, all right, appreciate you guys. Man, Thanks 885 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: for the time. Alright, black Well, Paris Campbell man, Uh easy. 886 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: Easy to fall in love with him as a kid. 887 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: I mean just he's got a great smile. Uh, he's 888 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: got great energy. We saw the way again he finished 889 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: up the season and he's continued to build that momentum 890 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: through the combine and I am I'm looking forward to 891 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: go and watch him one more time. Yeah, I'm looking 892 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: forward to to watching him as well. And I think 893 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: He has certainly done himself a huge benefit by being 894 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: able to really work out well at the combine because 895 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: I think he put more eyes on him in terms 896 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: of let's study him, Let's see if he's a guy 897 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: that's worthy of being a top five receiver. What are 898 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: the ways that we can creatively think about putting them 899 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: on the field and allowing him to touch the ball. 900 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: The fact that he's a return er, uh, as a 901 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 1: kick returner and put up big numbers as a returner, 902 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: that that helps. And at a time where the league 903 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,879 Speaker 1: is really trending towards people trying to get the ball out, 904 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 1: put the ball in the hands of their playmakers, guys 905 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: that can do things on catching around concepts, Paris Campbell 906 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 1: is intriguing. And I think the conversation between Paris Campbell 907 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: and Deebo Samuel's and some of the other guys that 908 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: had those unique traits. Uh, we'll continue to kind of 909 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: buzz as we and build as we get closer to 910 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, there's a lot of conversations, and you know, 911 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: we mentioned it briefly there, but he's not alone in 912 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: terms of Ohio state wide receivers. Two other really good 913 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: ones in this draft who ran well. Uh McLaurin and Dixon. 914 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: So fun to watch those Buckeyes as they go through 915 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: the process. All right, Buck, I think we're getting ready 916 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: to get out of here. Anything else you wanna want 917 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: to add the mix here before we bounce? No, no, no, man, 918 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited, like I love this time of year. 919 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: I loved that we're getting close. Um, we're a week 920 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: away from Path to the Draft kicking off. Um. I 921 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 1: know you can be at a bunch of pro days, 922 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: but we'll be holding it down and doing some intriguing 923 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: process projects where we talk about all these prospects in 924 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: the draft. I love what Path of the Draft is 925 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: the best part of the year. Uh. I cannot wait 926 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 1: for this thing to get cranked up. I'll be out 927 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: in the road traveling a little bit, hitting these pro days. Um, 928 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 1: but Path the Draft March. Uh next week, we crank 929 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: this up, and uh, I know you guys are gonna 930 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 1: enjoy this season. We got a great group, uh, Bucky 931 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: really really anchoring down and running the show there. This 932 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: year's it's gonna be a lot of fun and we'll 933 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: have we'll have Land zero Line as a regular coming 934 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: up here on the Move the Sticks podcast. He'll start 935 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: to coming next week and I know with you traveling 936 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: to owe you this week, Ohio State, n See State 937 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: Duke missoo all those pro days. Maybe there'll be some 938 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: episodes where DJ we'll be part of it. Maybe there'll 939 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: be a couple where he won't be, But overall, DJ, 940 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, we know that you're out there traveling, so 941 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna have Lance. We might have the PBu Ret 942 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: Lewis back in the next a little bit, so uh, 943 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, it'll be good. We'll keep him going and 944 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: we'll keep putting out content. You guys mentioned Titus Howard earlier, 945 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: we also have He's one of the many interviews up 946 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: on NFL dot com slash mts video and frankly, I 947 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: think he might have been our most entertaining offensive lineman interview. 948 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: He was really good. So if you go to NFL 949 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: dot com you can check out the tightest Howard interview 950 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: that Bucky did at the combine. And I gotta give 951 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: a little shout out. You mentioned Miles Sanders Woodland Hills 952 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: High School in Pittsburgh. If he can live up to 953 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: Steve Breston and lousaka polite and Jason Taylor and those guys. 954 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: But that's where I grew up, so he's near and 955 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: dear to my heart. So I'm not I didn't grow 956 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 1: up a Penn State fan, but I like Miles Sanders, 957 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 1: so I'm glad to see him pop on your top 958 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: fifty list. Yeah, he made the list just for you, Ken, 959 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: How great is that? Gonna be get their line in 960 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: here as well. He's watched the zillion these players. He 961 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: knows all their backgrounds, so he's gonna add a lot 962 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: to the to the pod. And we know, uh, we 963 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: know how great Red is to be a part of 964 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: the family here. So buck, remove the sticks. We're just growing. 965 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: We're we're evolving, growing band here. I know we're get more, more, 966 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: more branches, more limbs less. Yes, all right, hey, let's 967 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: get out of here. Thank you guys so much for 968 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: listening and uh downloading the pod. Tell a friend, We'll 969 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 1: keep growing this thing. As we marched towards the draft. 970 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: Our three sixties series is gonna be here before you 971 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: know it, gathering tons of sound interesting voices there where 972 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: we take a close look at some of the top 973 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: players in the upcoming draft. So will be on the 974 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: lookout for that as well all the videos NFL dot 975 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: com Slash MTS video That's gonna do it for us? 976 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time right here on Move the Sticks. 977 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and 978 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. For more, go to NFL dot com Slash 979 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: Podcasts