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Speaker 1: The Team forty seven podcast is sponsored by Good Ranchers

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Speaker 1: Making the American Farm Strong Again.

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Speaker 2: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts.

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Speaker 3: Now there are who going to toil races that are underway.

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Speaker 3: Some of them are going to be hotly contested in

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Speaker 3: important states, places like Virginia. We had win some sears

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Speaker 3: on she's lieutenant governor. Very impressive woman. But in New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Remember New Jersey was a much closer election. What was it, Clay,

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Speaker 3: It was not this, but it was it was in

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Speaker 3: the off year that that that Glenn was up in.

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Speaker 1: Night or two in twenty twenty one. And remember Trump

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Speaker 1: only lost New Jersey by five last year. And they

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Speaker 1: think the Trump team does if they had had Commawa

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Speaker 1: level money that they could have flip New Jersey into

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Speaker 1: their column.

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Speaker 3: So New Jersey is still blue, but it's it's more

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Speaker 3: interesting than they wanted to be. But for sure, and

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Speaker 3: this might help a bit more. This is just one

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Speaker 3: of the great moments on Charlemagne the God on the

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Speaker 3: Breakfast Club. Mister the God was sitting down with Democrat

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Speaker 3: candidate New Jersey Governor Mikey Cheryl. So the Democrat, sorry,

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Speaker 3: Democrat candidate for Governor Mikey Cheryl, and I'm not familiar.

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm asking people to weigh in a little

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Speaker 3: bit on what do I need to know about Mikey Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: But this was a great moment, and mister the God

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Speaker 3: asked about this, and I think it was worth us

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Speaker 3: all just hearing for a second, because people are very

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Speaker 3: sick and tired of members of Congress, particularly who seemingly

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Speaker 3: are trading in a way in the stock market that

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Speaker 3: mirrors information that they would only have access to because

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Speaker 3: of things that they're doing in Congress and making a

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Speaker 3: lot of money. She was asked Mikey Cheryl about this,

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Speaker 3: and here is the response from the Breakfast Club a

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Speaker 3: couple of days ago.

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Speaker 4: Play this one when Newsmax claimed that you made seven

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Speaker 4: million dollars from stock trades? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: Newsmax is, first of all, a very questionable organization that

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Speaker 3: is paying multiple fines. I'm not sure what they're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you make seven million in stock.

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Speaker 4: Trades at all? I I haven't.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe I did, but I'd have to go

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Speaker 1: see what that was alluding to again, what kind of

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Speaker 1: came from uh Clay?

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Speaker 3: I think if you're a member of Congress making about

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty grand. By the way, I think

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Speaker 3: that if you made seven million dollars trading the stock market,

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Speaker 3: whether somebody else is making those trades on your behalf

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Speaker 3: or you're making them, I think you should know.

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Speaker 1: Unless you're a billionaire and so rich that you could

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Speaker 1: plausibly say I don't know what happened with seven million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine point nine to nine percent of people in

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Speaker 1: America would know if they made seven million dollars or

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Speaker 1: not in the stock market. A lot of you out

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Speaker 1: there would know if you made seven hundred dollars in

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Speaker 1: the stock market or not. Certainly seven thousand or seventy thousand,

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Speaker 1: to say nothing of seven million. These people are so

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Speaker 1: bad at this buck. I just I watch so many

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Speaker 1: of these politicians, and we've reached out, by the way,

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Speaker 1: to Jack Cidarelli, who is the Republican contender who almost

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Speaker 1: won in twenty twenty one. He is the nominee on

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Speaker 1: the Republican side for this race. To remind all of you,

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Speaker 1: Virginia and New Jersey and the mayor of New York

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Speaker 1: City are all off calendar elections, so they will be

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Speaker 1: taking place this November. That's in basically six weeks. Some

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Speaker 1: of you basically can already go early vote on these

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Speaker 1: I just I mean credit to Charlottage, the god who

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Speaker 1: is of the left, I think, but is kind of

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Speaker 1: pointing out a seven million dollars Can you follow up

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Speaker 1: and just kind of tell us about coming here?

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Speaker 3: All right, I've got some I've got some some stats

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Speaker 3: and numbers to throw into the mix here. Cheryl makes

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Speaker 3: I said one hundred and eight one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 3: she remember, they have financial disclosures everybody, so we can

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Speaker 3: know this public it's public record how much money these

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Speaker 3: individuals have within a range. But you have some sense

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Speaker 3: of it, right, So in twenty nineteen, she reported total

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Speaker 3: and four point three million dollars. Now that's a huge range,

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Speaker 3: to anybody listening, the difference in being worth seven hundred

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Speaker 3: feels like a lot. But anyway, that's where she was.

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Speaker 3: But Clay her most recent one, in her most recent

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Speaker 3: trading clay and defense stocks, saying, interesting, she has gone

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Speaker 3: from being worth you know, let's call it a couple

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Speaker 3: worth about twelve million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she.

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Speaker 3: Could be worth as much as four million there even still,

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Speaker 3: that would be a tripling of her net worth while

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Speaker 1: Now, sometimes spouses make the money, which can all sometimes

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Speaker 1: be suspect, right, because they'll say, well, this is not

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Speaker 1: the money that I'm making, this is my spouse. I

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Speaker 1: know who her spouse is now.

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Speaker 3: But Elon Holman, Now we'll get he's an investment banker,

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Speaker 3: so his compensation may be a significant part of this.

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Speaker 3: But lay she was fined for failing to disclose stock

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Speaker 1: Well, this is where it gets very shady. Okay, correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong on this, because this seems like

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Speaker 1: something that shouldn't be allowed. You basically cannot prosecute elected

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Speaker 1: officials like congressmen and senators for insider trading. Correct, because

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Speaker 1: they get all sorts of information that is not public

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Speaker 1: and then they're allowed to trade on it. And this

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Speaker 2: Remember, if you look.

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Speaker 1: At Nancy Pelosi's trading record for stocks, she's somehow better

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Speaker 1: Nancy tracker out there where you can look at all

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Speaker 1: the moves Pelosi makes. Because they have to disclose it,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why it isn't basic required for everybody

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Speaker 2: In a trust and just use that.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you an example, Buck, most of my

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Speaker 1: real estate is in S and P five hundred index funds.

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Speaker 1: That is, I just buy the five hundred largest companies

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Speaker 1: buying and selling very many stocks. Now, there's no restriction

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Speaker 1: to Congress to put their assets, their four oh one

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Speaker 3: What am I missing here?

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Speaker 1: To me? That seems like it should be standard for

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Speaker 1: because I haven't forgotten this. Remember when they got the

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Speaker 1: and women immediately sold all their stocks before the stock

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Speaker 1: But this is important. When it comes to corruption. We

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Speaker 1: appearance of corruption because it's so toxic to public trust.

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Speaker 1: How is there not a direct appearance of corruption when

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Speaker 3: Just just so everybody understand in something like the National

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Speaker 1: Now, I think, but that they're not you're not allowed

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Speaker 3: Be the case. They changed the rules. Let me let

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Speaker 3: me check on it. They made some the Stock Act,

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Speaker 3: This has been a push for over a decade. People

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Speaker 1: But larger issue, Yes on that. To me, it's just

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Speaker 1: it pertains to this race. If you made seven million

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Speaker 1: for how that happened. And again the husband may well

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Speaker 1: be the reason. But to claim, oh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'd have to look into that. How out of touch

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Speaker 1: Why would we not make that standard for anybody who's

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Speaker 1: People ask us all the time, how we can save

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Speaker 3: We've got our show and the info is an antidote.

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Speaker 3: But we also have a couple books coming out, Clay.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and you can pre order both of them

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Speaker 3: You'll laugh, you'll nod, and you'll get smarter too.

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Speaker 3: And mine is manufacturing delusion how the Left uses brainwashing,

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Speaker 2: Both are great reads.

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Speaker 1: One might even say they would make fabulous gifts.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: Congressman Jim Jordan of the Great State of Ohio is

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Speaker 3: with us. Congressman, I always appreciate you making the time, sir.

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Speaker 5: Be good to be with you, guys.

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Speaker 4: North Carolina to North Dakota. So I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 4: like you. We fly all the time, and you want

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Speaker 4: the best pilots, and you want it to be on

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Speaker 4: time and not have to I mean the delays when

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Speaker 4: it's backed up and you can't even use land and

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Speaker 4: you can't even get to a gate because the gates

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Speaker 4: they're all plu I mean, it is on and on

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Speaker 4: and on. So it's frustrating. Yeah. And to the extent

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Speaker 4: that you know, allowing good pilots to stick around and

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Speaker 4: continue to operate, I think that's great.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I had a pilot talk to me.

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Speaker 4: At a fundraising. I forget what state we were in,

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Speaker 4: but he talked to me about this very build. I said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: this makes sense. I hope, we hope we do.

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Speaker 3: Who on the Transportation Committee think, I mean, who can

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Speaker 3: we have on to talk.

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Speaker 4: About this is dam Graves to have the chairman, Chairman Graves,

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Speaker 4: good man, he's shared that committee for a number of years.

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Speaker 4: They have him on and he can tell you in Clay.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I know you're a big Southwest fan.

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Speaker 3: We get this thing through and you're gonna thank me

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Speaker 3: because your delays are gonna drop. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: the older pilots are all the Clay and buck listeners too,

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Speaker 3: They're the ones that are all about this show.

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Speaker 1: I fly Southwest everywhere. You know, I'm not a bragger.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to draw attention to myself, as everyone

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Speaker 1: well knows. I have two million Southwest Airlines points, That's how.

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Speaker 1: And on my last Southwest Airlines flight from New York

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Speaker 1: City to Nashville, I don't think I said this on

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Speaker 1: the air. The pilots wanted to come out and shake hands.

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Speaker 1: They're like love the shows. Like I was posing for

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Speaker 1: photos with the flight attendants. So I've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of awesome people at Southwest and I enjoy meeting everybody there. Congressman,

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Speaker 1: what is the latest you were working hard and I

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Speaker 1: don't know the absolute latest, but the score act. I

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Speaker 1: know there are a lot of people out there that

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Speaker 1: are big college football fans, college sports fans in general.

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Speaker 1: We're in the midst of the fall football season. What's

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Speaker 1: the latest there? What can you tell us.

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Speaker 4: We're working on getting some Democrats to vote for it.

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Speaker 4: We have some some great supporters out there who want to,

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Speaker 4: you know, looking at some changes. You know, we got

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Speaker 4: Cody Campbell, great guy with a big, big booster Texas Tech,

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Speaker 4: talking about some things that he thinks can happen, particularly

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Speaker 4: I think maybe better suited for the Senate, but we're

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Speaker 4: we're looking at those as well. The bill is through committee.

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Speaker 4: We do have some Democrats support for it. I think

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Speaker 4: there's strong support for it. To use your lingo, uh

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Speaker 4: play with you know, people in the Southeast Conference part

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Speaker 4: of the country and the Big ten part of the country.

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Speaker 4: So we'll we'll see, but we do want to get

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Speaker 4: this done and we continue to work on it. We

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Speaker 4: think it's a darn good start.

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Speaker 5: To help with.

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Speaker 4: You know, when we started this process, I said, I

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Speaker 4: think there are three things we want to focus on.

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Speaker 4: We want we want real competition, want some parody You

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Speaker 4: don't want just the same teams winning all the time.

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Speaker 4: As much as I'd like to see the Badgers and

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Speaker 4: the buck guys, you know, always at the top. You

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Speaker 4: want you want some parody.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You you don't want to diminish opportunity for athletes.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The USOC is very concerned about what happens to the

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Speaker 4: so called non revenue sports, the Olympic sports and women's sports,

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Speaker 4: and so we're trying to see how we can be

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Speaker 4: is we we don't want any school to drop the

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Speaker 4: sports at state Division one. You got to have sixteen.

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Speaker 4: We kept that in the we put that in the bill.

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Speaker 4: And then finally, I do think we at some point

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Speaker 4: got to remember it's supposed to be about getting an education.

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Speaker 4: You got some of these athletes in football and basketball

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Speaker 4: who transfer, you know, six times in five years and

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Speaker 4: and and never get a degree. I don't think that's

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Speaker 4: helpful to the system or to that to that individual.

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Speaker 4: So we're trying to have those overall objectives in mind

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Speaker 4: when we put this legislation together, but we're not quite

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Speaker 4: there yet.

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Speaker 1: What should happen with Jimmy Kimmel, You know we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about this, I think at some point during

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Speaker 1: the course of the show. But you know, with the

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Speaker 1: YouTube we we started off the show by saying, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important, Jimmy Kimmel is a small

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Speaker 1: pinprick of the importance of what Google and YouTube were doing.

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Speaker 1: Any comedian would be relative to the policies those companies

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Speaker 1: come in place, and Next Star and Sinclair are still

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Speaker 1: not caring. Meaning I'm not sure where your affiliate station is, Jim,

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Speaker 1: but I know here in Nashville, I couldn't watch last

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Speaker 1: night if I wanted to. They have news on I'm

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Speaker 1: a Next Star affiliate here in the ABC Nashville market.

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Speaker 1: What in your mind is the right solution here? If

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Speaker 1: you were the magic wand guy and you got to analyze.

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Speaker 4: This, well, I looked at this the way you've boys

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Speaker 4: described to Claire. I looked at this as Republicans by

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Speaker 4: sneakers too. Republicans watched Late Night TV two and I

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Speaker 4: think Next Star and Sinclair just said, you know, our

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Speaker 4: we just don't think it's appropriate that you know, excuse me,

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Speaker 4: if your late night talk show hosts you should you

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Speaker 4: should not do two things you shouldn't tick off half

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Speaker 4: the potential audience, and you should be funny, and it

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Speaker 4: seems like Jimmy Kimmel was failing on both of those

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Speaker 4: those two things. So I think I think nextarn and uh,

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Speaker 4: nexttar In and Sinclair said we just like something different. Frankly,

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Speaker 4: so I think this is a business decision largely, and

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Speaker 4: you know, it couldn't just be the government censoring because

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Speaker 4: ABC or Disney putting back on. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: I looked at it all throughout this whole thing, and

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Speaker 4: I understand what what Commissioner car said, but I looked

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Speaker 4: at it largely as this was a business deal. Next

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Speaker 4: Star came forward and said, no, we want we want

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Speaker 4: something different, and you can't blame him for that because

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Speaker 4: I think I think they're losing money on the show

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Speaker 4: ABC is. I didn't thought he was really that funny.

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Speaker 4: It was all just we know, it was all just

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Speaker 4: attacking Trump all the time, and and half the country

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Speaker 4: doesn't doesn't particularly care for that. So that's how I

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Speaker 4: viewed it, versus government government doing what they did. And

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Speaker 4: in all these areas where we have emails from the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration saying take down this tweet, a sap and

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Speaker 4: It was a tweet from RFK Junior when he was

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Speaker 4: running for president against Joe Biden. For goodness sake, So

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Speaker 4: that's as bad as it gets. It said, the Biden

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Speaker 4: administration set up the disinformation Governance for most allwellian thing

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Speaker 4: in history. Oh yeah, bunch of bureaucrats, tell you what

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Speaker 4: you can say.

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Speaker 1: Nia Jenkowitz. I haven't forgotten her name.

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Speaker 4: Totally, totally. So so that's a that's a completely different

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Speaker 4: animal than next to our saying we don't think our

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Speaker 4: audience really likes this show. We just assume be something else.

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Speaker 4: That's a business call my mind code.

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Speaker 3: Totally agree. Congress and Jim Jordan will have you back,

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Speaker 3: and there will be video of that one hundred mile

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Speaker 3: an hour service. It will happen. I will not be denied.

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Speaker 5: It's good to happen.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: All right, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Team forty seven with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: We're joined now by doctor Oz. Doctor Mehmet Oz serves

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Speaker 3: as the Administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid

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Speaker 3: Services under HHS Secretary RFK Junior and President Trump. Doctor Oz,

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Speaker 3: welcome to the show. Is always good to talk to.

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Speaker 5: You, good talkers always, It's been an active week. I

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Speaker 5: justspect you'll want to speak a bit about autism and

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Speaker 5: what might work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's le's talk about autism and the tile and

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Speaker 3: all situation here, Doc, what is actually what do we know?

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Speaker 3: What is being recommended? What is actually going on? And

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Speaker 3: let's just stay as tight to the facts as we

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Speaker 3: can on this one, because there's a lot of passion

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Speaker 3: around this topic.

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Speaker 5: There is Let's take a step back for one second

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Speaker 5: and just make it really clear. There is no political

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Speaker 5: benefit to President Trump talking about this. This is a

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Speaker 5: hostscale departure from what historically has happened with data within government,

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Speaker 5: which is we have the row take process. You don't

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Speaker 5: really know what we know. Eventually we figure it all

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Speaker 5: out and tell you the best we can. We saw

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Speaker 5: that that in covid at backfires when moms think that

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Speaker 5: they're gaslighting, they're being gas lit because they're not getting

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Speaker 5: access to data. So the President charged all of us

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Speaker 5: sector Kennedy beating the process. We're just breaking all the silos,

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Speaker 5: breaking the barriers. Just do the work and release the

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Speaker 5: information when you have it. This is the first example.

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Speaker 5: There'll be future ones so let's go over the data.

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Speaker 5: Fifty million dollar is put into a process to try

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Speaker 5: to research autism, say about a chart at the NIH

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Speaker 5: has been allocating that money in grants along the way

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Speaker 5: studying what's going on with autism, and discovered two signals,

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Speaker 5: two leads that were intriguing enough that after a lot

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Speaker 5: of discussion, we were decided to share with the American people.

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Speaker 5: The first had to do with a prescription medication called

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Speaker 5: lucu worn, which no one's ever heard of, but prescription

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Speaker 5: lucuborn is essentially a way of getting B vitamins into

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Speaker 5: the brains of children. Why is that a problem? We

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Speaker 5: believe that there's a fair amount of ethology around B

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Speaker 5: vitamins in the brains of kids who have autism. That's

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons their brain get cloudy, foggy, they

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Speaker 5: can't really process information, they don't learn to speak right.

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Speaker 5: And so if we can reverse that problem, which is

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Speaker 5: caused by their genes in some cases that we know of,

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Speaker 5: and by antibodies blocking those receptors those pathways into the brain,

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Speaker 5: and others, that would make a difference. It turns out

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Speaker 5: with a couple of hundred kids in different small studies

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Speaker 5: that about half the kids seem to benefit when given

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Speaker 5: this medication. Correctly, it's not perfect. We don't know enough

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Speaker 5: about it to make broader promises. But I asked the

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Speaker 5: key question claim about both you just tell me that

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Speaker 5: if you just resonates with you. I asked the question

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Speaker 5: everyone should ask their doctor, would you do it for

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Speaker 5: your kid? And the answer I got over and over

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Speaker 5: again was yes, we don't know for sure, but because

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Speaker 5: it's so safe and the drug's been around forever, we

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Speaker 5: think it will be worth it, so we release that information.

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Speaker 5: At the same time, there was a data that's been

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Speaker 5: around for a couple of years, but more and more

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Speaker 5: of it coming out about potential concerns around a set ofmnfen,

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Speaker 5: which is the raw material in talentol. Now, I want

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Speaker 5: to say this as crisply and clearly, sticking to the

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Speaker 5: facts as you asked me to. If you have a

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Speaker 5: high fever, if you've got a bad problem, please talk

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Speaker 5: to your doctors. If you're pregnant, make sure that they're involved,

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Speaker 5: and take the centim nifen, which is pretty much the

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Speaker 5: only drug we would use in that setting, and it's

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Speaker 5: the drug that most doctors use. Myself included in that

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Speaker 5: setting because all the other drugs seem to have bigger problems,

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Speaker 5: and having high fevers itself caused the problem. So this

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Speaker 5: is not a warning never to take the drug. However,

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Speaker 5: in cases where there was a lot of use of

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Speaker 5: this drug, that does seem to be a signal concerning

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Speaker 5: enough that we were sharing it that women subsequently have

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Speaker 5: babies to develop autism. So the message really is, if

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Speaker 5: you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe,

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Speaker 5: don't use the medication, willy nilly, use it thoughtfully, recognizing

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Speaker 5: that any medication is strong enough to help you is

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Speaker 5: strong enough to hurt you.

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Speaker 1: Doctors, you have kids, Buck has a baby, I've got three.

653
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Speaker 1: I want to run through a couple of things because

654
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Speaker 1: I know we got a lot of moms and with

655
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Speaker 1: a lot of grandmas out there, and everybody when they

656
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: get pregnant, by and large, is trying to do the

657
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Speaker 1: best possible things they can for the baby that they

658
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Speaker 1: are carrying. And there's a couple of things out there

659
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Speaker 1: that I was going to point out, and how complicated

660
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Speaker 1: and sometimes even to the detriment that all of these

661
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: strictures can be. In America, they say women should eat

662
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: sushi pregnant women. They say that women should not have

663
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Speaker 1: alcohol at all, as I'm sure you're aware. In Japan

664
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Speaker 1: women continue to eat sushi throughout pregnancy, most no issues.

665
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: In France, women continue to drink glasses of wine. I

666
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Speaker 1: mean they're not pounding bottles of wine and getting super drunk,

667
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Speaker 1: and by and large kids aren't having issues there. Circling back,

668
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Speaker 1: I read in the New York Times today you may

669
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Speaker 1: have more accurate data than this that now I believe

670
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Speaker 1: it's one in every thirty one kids is being classified

671
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Speaker 1: as autistic. Those numbers are have skyrocketed. Something is going

672
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Speaker 1: on right. Either we're identifying autism way more, and maybe

673
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Speaker 1: that's partly it. Maybe we are, Maybe there are multiple

674
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Speaker 1: different factors out there. You're a doctor, though, and I'd

675
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Speaker 1: just like to go baseline. What would you tell a

676
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Speaker 1: woman who just found out she's pregnant right now that

677
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Speaker 1: is concerned about autism that she should do, in your opinion,

678
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: to be the absolute healthiest. And obviously one answer is

679
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: she can talk to her doctor. But if this were

680
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Speaker 1: your if this were your daughter and you were about

681
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Speaker 1: to have a grand baby, what would you tell her.

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Speaker 5: The most important thing you can do, and when you're

683
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Speaker 5: pregnant is actually to be calm and realistic about the numbers.

684
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Speaker 5: You will almost certainly do well. Mortality rates obviously are

685
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Speaker 5: very low because we're so good generally at taking care

686
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 5: of crises or complications when they occur, and anxiety itself

687
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: is a problem doing pregnancy. So recognize that you're in

688
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Speaker 5: pretty good shape and you're lucky to be born in

689
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Speaker 5: an era where we have high quality care. That stated,

690
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 5: there are some unforced errors, rookie errors. You want to avoid.

691
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Speaker 5: Trusting that there's one product that's so safe that you

692
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Speaker 5: can take it whenever you think you might have a

693
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Speaker 5: small little thing not right is unwise because we just

694
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Speaker 5: don't know. There's so many things happening during pregnancy. With

695
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Speaker 5: that miraculous process where these cells are growing at a

696
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 5: fast rate, differentiating into organs, everything's got to work. It's

697
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 5: sort of a miracle that it ever works, but it

698
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 5: almost always does work because we get out of the way.

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Speaker 5: If I say the same thing to my kids is

700
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Speaker 5: when I've got five grandkids, now when we're coming case,

701
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Speaker 5: just get out of the way of biology and let

702
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 5: it run itself. A low grade temperature is a healthy thing,

703
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: usually because it'll kill the virus that's bothering you, but

704
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 5: it doesn't hurt your own cells. Don't trust external substances

705
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Speaker 5: of any kind. I don't think alcohol is a good

706
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Speaker 5: thing to do when you're pregnant, and you shouldn't have

707
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Speaker 5: to drink alcohol to be able to get through your day.

708
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 5: So yes, you know, if you're going to toast someone

709
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Speaker 5: that's different, but it should not be part of the norm.

710
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: If it's a cleaner you eat, the better. Do not

711
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 5: trust the environment to be clean. Go out of your way.

712
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 5: Air purifires, water pure fires are wise moves. It's the

713
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Speaker 5: time for you to be so careful because you're the

714
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 5: canary in the coal mine. Anything that's not right in society,

715
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 5: in the world around us would have an increased detrimental

716
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Speaker 5: effect on you and your fetus. And then they take

717
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Speaker 5: one step back up because you mentioned this stat one

718
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Speaker 5: in thirty one kids that'll have autism. Just to put

719
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Speaker 5: this in perspective, that is five times more than it

720
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Speaker 5: was in twenty twenty five years ago, five times more so.

721
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Speaker 5: It's not genetics. And I don't buy the canard that

722
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: this is all about measurement, because I just turned sixty five.

723
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Speaker 5: I'm running the agency that I'm a member of now,

724
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Speaker 5: medicare right. There aren't any people my age that I

725
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 5: know of who have autism. Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy is found,

726
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 5: you know, reminds all of us that he and his

727
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 5: whole life never met anyone his age who has autism.

728
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Speaker 5: I'm sure they're out there, but they're not very common.

729
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 5: Whereas you go to school today, if you think of

730
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Speaker 5: kids to school, you talk to the other parents. Many

731
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Speaker 5: of those parents have kids with autistic children. It changes

732
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Speaker 5: their life. So the President's passionate about this comes from

733
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Speaker 5: a realization this is not genetic, this is not measurement.

734
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Speaker 5: There is a change in our environment. He is on

735
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Speaker 5: He will find it and pursue it. And these are

736
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Speaker 5: two clues of how to deal with it.

737
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Speaker 3: Doctor Oz, I wanted to follow up on this is

738
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Speaker 3: it you're and now I'm asking more for your analysis

739
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Speaker 3: and maybe even a bit of your your gut instinct

740
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Speaker 3: on this. Having practiced medicine for decades and now having

741
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 3: access to, uh, you know, the data on these things

742
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: at a very high level on the policy side, when

743
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 3: you're talking about that, we just established that that really

744
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: deeply troubling rise of autism. Do you think it is

745
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: most likely to be a multi factor problem that has

746
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 3: caused the increase, as in several things you know together,

747
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: or just several things in general, or do you think

748
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: that it might be a really one primary culprit that

749
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: will be found. It's just a question of whittling down

750
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Speaker 3: the data and pursuing the science and finally getting us

751
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: to what's really at the heart of this of this crisis.

752
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 5: I believe it's multifactorial, but they may work through common mechanisms.

753
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 5: For example, well I brought up the reality that foliate

754
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 5: levels are low in the brain full it comes from

755
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 5: foliage leafy greens, So this vitamin benign is a critical

756
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 5: element in brain development. It's possible that several of the

757
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 5: things we're worried about all work to inhibit the ability

758
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 5: of the fragile child's brain to take up enough of

759
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 5: this critical ingredient so their brain forms normally. It could

760
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 5: happen because antibodies are made because the kid's allergic to

761
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 5: everything from a food that they're being given, to substance

762
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 5: in their body, to a toxin and their environment mold

763
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 5: and chemicals, all kinds of things. We don't know how

764
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 5: they work in the body, but they probably work through

765
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Speaker 5: several common pathways. What I do have confidence in since

766
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Speaker 5: I've been looking at this together with the rest of

767
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Speaker 5: the team and Jay Batsharia, Marty McCarey, who head of

768
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Speaker 5: the NIAH and FDA, we're all raisier focused on this,

769
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 5: in part because the Secretary insists it and the President

770
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 5: demands it. We are seeing signals of lots of things.

771
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 5: We didn't want to talk about all of them, but

772
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Speaker 5: we're seeing thing is that all could be concerning. We

773
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 5: just want to try to whittle it down and get

774
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 5: to the ones that are legitimate, the things we might

775
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 5: be able to do differently in our lives. But certainly

776
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 5: you want to start being transparent with the American people

777
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 5: because trust is built brick by brick, by a shining

778
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 5: light and all the things you know. If I know

779
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 5: things you don't know, there's no reason why you would

780
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: trust me to do more and better with it than

781
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Speaker 5: you would. And this is why I think parents in particular,

782
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 5: who love their kids more than anybody, should be armed

783
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 5: with the best data the government has as we get it.

784
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 5: And of course this it scares people that alarms people.

785
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 5: They don't not every want to hear it. Frees Ideologically,

786
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 5: I get all that stuff, but if you mix politics

787
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: in medicine, you know what you get politics, you kill medicine.

788
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 5: And so the last thing we want to do is

789
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 5: hold back because there's a political rationale, which is again,

790
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 5: if you're a political person who's passionate about people, you

791
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 5: tell them what you know. That's what a doctor does.

792
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Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Oz. You just hit on something.

793
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Speaker 1: This will be a last question because I know you're

794
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: busy and we've got to hit a break. But the

795
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Speaker 1: autism rates have skyrocketed. You talked about how they've skyrocketed,

796
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: not just historically but in the twenty first century in particular.

797
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Speaker 1: It's also happened with allergies. I know there are a

798
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Speaker 1: lot of parents out there. You mentioned, Doctor Oz, that

799
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Speaker 1: you rarely see and Bobby Kennedy has rarely seen people

800
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Speaker 1: your age who have autism allergies. When I was a

801
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: kid growing up, nobody was allergic to peanuts. It didn't

802
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: feel like now the peanut allergy is so commonplace that

803
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: they don't even give out peanuts on airplanes anymore. They've

804
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: had to stop doing that. Is it possible that we're

805
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: seeing some connection in the environment that is impacting things

806
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: on a variety of different levels. Do you think there

807
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: might be any connection between autism and allergies and just

808
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: the way that the body chemistry is changing? And Buck

809
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this. This is a big

810
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: question too. Is it partly maybe connected also to the

811
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Speaker 1: idea of older parents? Right, dads and moms frankly are

812
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: having babies way later in the twenty first century than

813
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: they did for basically the entirety of human existence.

814
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Speaker 5: Clay such an excellent question. All the things you identify

815
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 5: because you're a curious person. And by the way, to me,

816
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 5: the MAHA movement is not being curious and eighty percent

817
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 5: of statements are questions in disguise. You're actually a curious

818
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 5: human being. The questions you're asking are the ones that

819
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 5: we have got to be brave enough to answer and

820
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 5: share for courageous with people around us. But you got

821
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: to be kind. So you mentioned age of the parent. Yes,

822
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 5: that's a risk factor. We've known that, but it's hard

823
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: to hear that if you're a parent. But yet again,

824
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 5: you got to be transparent. Doctors tell patients things they

825
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 5: don't always want to hear, but these will respect us

826
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: for telling you the truth. The allergy issue, I think

827
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 5: is a bigger problem. There's a reason why so many

828
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Speaker 5: kids are allergic. You're right, pen analogies unheard of when

829
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 5: I was a kid. You know, we have an epidemic

830
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 5: of all types of alogies, which again is reflective of

831
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Speaker 5: the fact that we're traumatizing the fragile immune system of

832
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 5: the child who's just trying to figure out what the

833
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 5: world is about and to differentiate what's friendly. Their immune

834
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: system is confused. I suspect there are chemicals that they're

835
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: getting exposed to that are causing this. We are actively,

836
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 5: of course, searching. There's many allegations. When you don't know

837
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 5: the answer is easy to blame folks. We don't have

838
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 5: the luxury of bickering when you're increasing by five fold

839
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: the incidents of a tragic condition that could be Obviously,

840
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 5: these kids are lovable, should be loved, will be taking

841
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 5: care of it. As a society, we're judged by how

842
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 5: we take care of our most vulnerable, So we'll always

843
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 5: take care of kids on the author's in spectrum. But

844
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 5: it's a heck of a lot easier not to have

845
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 5: to fight that battle when you're going through a life

846
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 5: and these kids deserve better. We have got to deliver.

847
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 5: And looking at the cause of allergies, I think is

848
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: one of the biggest clues, because they're the tip of

849
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 5: the iceberg. You figure that out, that's the leading edge.

850
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Speaker 5: Behind that are a whole bunch of other conditions Celiac disease,

851
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 5: bowel problems of course, you know all kinds of pathologies

852
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 5: like toiness, spectrum ADHD. If you can go down the

853
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 5: laundry list of issues that plague our youth, and many

854
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 5: of them come back to an immune system that can't

855
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 5: function correctly. It a tragile system. It's being maligned. We've

856
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 5: got to figure out what's doing it.

857
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Speaker 1: Doctor Oz. We appreciate the time. Thank you so much

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00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: for joining us. Always happy to have you on. Just

859
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: let us know when you think it makes sense, and

860
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: good work and good luck trying to figure all this out.

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Speaker 5: God bless you both. Take care,