Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the peril Markoi Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: The dating monologues continue to be popular in both my
Speaker 1: mentions and my messages. A listener wrote out a list
Speaker 1: of suggestions for people hoping to meet someone. I particularly
Speaker 1: like these two points. First, identify the kind of mate
Speaker 1: you want. Then transform yourself into the kind of person
Speaker 1: who would make a good mate for him her. Maybe
Speaker 1: that fails too because your concept of the best mate
Speaker 1: wasn't fully developed. That's part of the learning and maturing process.
Speaker 1: Then you readjust your perception of what is optimal, remake
Speaker 1: yourself again, try again until you get it right. You
Speaker 1: become a better person in the process, and second, become
Speaker 1: the most happy, content sociable, fulfilled, et cetera person you
Speaker 1: can be without a partner, and even the best of marriages,
Speaker 1: you don't cease to be an individual, nor does your partner.
Speaker 1: Both pretty good on your own than your expectations and
Speaker 1: needs from each other are lower, therefore increasing the success.
Speaker 1: So a lot of this stuff is not rocket science.
Speaker 1: As I've said before, and even on TikTok you can
Speaker 1: hear that working on yourself is a good thing to do,
Speaker 1: but it's important to say out loud, and I particularly
Speaker 1: liked how he says your idea of the perfect mate
Speaker 1: isn't fully developed.
Speaker 2: You don't really.
Speaker 1: Know what you want sometimes a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: and that hinders people from finding what they actually need.
Speaker 1: That's one of the many problems with the swiping culture.
Speaker 1: For some reason, a lot of this advice is aimed
Speaker 1: at women, but men need to get that advice too.
Speaker 1: What you're attracted to in a picture won't necessarily be
Speaker 1: what attracts you in real life.
Speaker 3: A lot of the time, the.
Speaker 1: People I hear from want to help someone else, often
Speaker 1: their grown child, but sometimes a friend or a family
Speaker 1: member find someone. Now, obviously that's a tough thing to do.
Speaker 1: Helping others with this kind of thing is even harder
Speaker 1: than helping yourself. If you're trying to help someone else,
Speaker 1: advise them to go easier on themselves. It's so easy
Speaker 1: to get into that spiral of you know, no one
Speaker 1: will ever want me, et cetera. A lot of life
Speaker 1: is luck, and a lot of the rest of it
Speaker 1: is putting yourself in the right situation to get lucky.
Speaker 1: This isn't a dating podcast, so I'll wrap up the
Speaker 1: dating segments here, but it is a show about living
Speaker 1: a better life, and I pretty firmly believe that finding
Speaker 1: someone to spend your life with makes it better. If
Speaker 1: you've got thoughts, drop me an email. Carol Markowitz Show
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. It's Ka R O L M A.
Speaker 1: R kow I c As and Charlie Zias and Zebra's
Speaker 1: Show at gmail dot com. Coming up next and interview
Speaker 1: with Blake Nelson. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. Blake Nelson is the author of many adult
Speaker 1: and young adult novels. His many titles include which was
Speaker 1: serialized by Sassy Magazine, My Favorite When I Was a
Speaker 1: Teen to Great Acclaim, Paranoid Park, which was made into
Speaker 1: a film by Gus Vincent, and Recovery Road, which was
Speaker 1: adapted into a TV show for ABC Disney.
Speaker 3: In twenty sixteen. He currently writes travel and memoir pieces
Speaker 3: on his Fantastic subsetac page Travels to Distant Cities. Hi, Blake,
Speaker 3: so nice to have you on.
Speaker 2: Oh great to be on. Nice to see it, Carol.
Speaker 3: Really good to see you too. Can I tell the
Speaker 3: story of how we met?
Speaker 2: Is that sare okay?
Speaker 3: Do you know what you know? So it was funny.
Speaker 1: I met a woman on Twitter, right, Julia Malucci, and.
Speaker 3: We hit it off.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't even remember how we scott
Speaker 1: to talking, but I looked up that she had written
Speaker 1: a book I loved and lost and made spaghetti and
Speaker 1: I read the book and.
Speaker 3: She and I were going out for a drink and.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I think one of the guys
Speaker 1: in your book it was a book about like.
Speaker 3: Love affairs she had had.
Speaker 1: I said, I think I know one of the guys
Speaker 1: in your book is Is it Blake Nelson? And she
Speaker 1: said we were out for a drink and she said, yes,
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: And he's meeting us here in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Blake Nelson my favorite writer, and
Speaker 1: so I you know, sometimes I hold up a book
Speaker 1: I'm about to like.
Speaker 3: I have many Blake Nelson books. I am obviously huge,
Speaker 3: huge fan.
Speaker 1: I have The City Once You Alone on my nightstand
Speaker 1: that it's in the cue for me to read. So
Speaker 1: that's why it's not that stat extra showed. But you
Speaker 1: are a long time, very much one of my favorite writers.
Speaker 3: I read everything. You're right, and I'm so happy to
Speaker 3: have you on the show.
Speaker 2: No thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I was talking to Julia, it
Speaker 1: was just funny that I was able to figure out
Speaker 1: who you were based on her description of Portland music
Speaker 1: writer guy. And so tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: how you got to, you know, having seventeen thousand books
Speaker 1: on my shelf.
Speaker 2: Well, I just I was a musician when I was
Speaker 2: a teenager and in my beIN in college and uh
Speaker 2: and I but I love to write. I always love
Speaker 2: to write, and so writing and music were my two
Speaker 2: favorite things. And when I got sort of kind of
Speaker 2: deep into the music world, I kind of felt like
Speaker 2: I had to make a choice if I wanted to
Speaker 2: be a writer or a musician. And I'd seen I'd played.
Speaker 3: A terrible decision.
Speaker 2: I know, how did you choose that?
Speaker 3: I would definitely music?
Speaker 2: And I just chose it based on the fact that
Speaker 2: I thought I'd be doing it for my whole life.
Speaker 2: And I thought the music thing is super fun when
Speaker 2: you're twenty one, and but but doing it forever would
Speaker 2: just be kind of a slog I thought. And I'd
Speaker 2: seen the life, you know, I'd played clubs, I'd played
Speaker 2: with bigger bands that I could see what it was
Speaker 2: like to be successful in that world, and I just
Speaker 2: thought being a writer would be more interesting, and I
Speaker 2: thought it would last longer. I felt like, you know,
Speaker 2: people take writer seriously when they're in their forties and fifties,
Speaker 2: and nobody.
Speaker 1: Take it like, you know, Mick Jagger is still jumping
Speaker 1: around the stage and he's like eighty, so I'm in
Speaker 1: my forties. I saw Mick Jagger the Rolling Stones play
Speaker 1: when I was in college collegames a long time ago,
Speaker 1: and I was like, ooh, these guys are too old
Speaker 1: and they're still playing today right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you could have.
Speaker 3: Had a long, illustrious musical career if you had done
Speaker 3: it slightly.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe most musical careers are not do not
Speaker 2: go like the Rolling Stones. Most musical careers. And I
Speaker 2: saw myself as a musician. You have a kind of
Speaker 2: breakout and have like maybe a big record or something,
Speaker 2: and then you kind of just try to hang around
Speaker 2: as long as you can. And I see bands that
Speaker 2: were my contemporaries and they're playing in small clubs now.
Speaker 2: You know, these great bands like the Psychedelic Firs just
Speaker 2: played in a club in Portland, and I'm really glad
Speaker 2: I became a writer. I don't want to be writer
Speaker 2: the right.
Speaker 1: Decision making yes, no other pants for you at the stage.
Speaker 2: And also as a writer you're kind of always doing
Speaker 2: new things, whereas in music, if you kind of have hits,
Speaker 2: then you just really got to do the hits. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I just thought it would be more interesting. I
Speaker 2: thought it would just I didn't know. And at the
Speaker 2: time I was doing music, like every every kind of
Speaker 2: cool person did music, and I thought, don't we need
Speaker 2: some cool people?
Speaker 3: Yes, we did, We did need that.
Speaker 2: And so and that really turned out to be right
Speaker 2: because when I read wrote Girl, the book you were
Speaker 2: that you were saying talking about nobody really wrote a
Speaker 2: good book about that world. No, So I felt like,
Speaker 2: you know, in one sense that just on the basis
Speaker 2: of that one book, my sort of gampit to try to,
Speaker 2: you know, to try to do something interesting in the
Speaker 2: literary world. You know, it was worth it, because really
Speaker 2: there wasn't. If there wasn't that book, you know, that's
Speaker 2: kind of the best potent if you want to know
Speaker 2: about that scene the nineties Northwest, that was a significant
Speaker 2: cultural moment. Yeah, and it really isn't that, you know,
Speaker 2: there's not really a good novel about it except for
Speaker 2: why right there really was Eddy, There isn't any novels
Speaker 2: about it, and so that's right.
Speaker 1: We'll have more coming up with Blake Nelson, but first,
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Speaker 1: it's funny with this show, I sort of have started
Speaker 1: to describe it as I ask political people non political questions.
Speaker 3: But you're not a political person. You're just somebody I
Speaker 3: think is interesting and.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have on the show where you did
Speaker 1: have a bit of a political controversy with a book
Speaker 1: a few books ago.
Speaker 3: Now right, two books ago.
Speaker 1: Your book was called The Red Pill and it was
Speaker 1: about the dating kind of guys, the what are they.
Speaker 2: Called the manosphere?
Speaker 1: The manosphere, I think on the pickups, the pickup pickup artists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you you know.
Speaker 1: And you got some pushback and you had some protests
Speaker 1: at bookstores, but I didn't feel that you.
Speaker 3: Were glamorizing them at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that, Like I didn't read that book
Speaker 1: and think, oh, I hope my son grows up to
Speaker 1: be one of these guys either. So what what was
Speaker 1: that like for you to have that kind of controversy
Speaker 1: not a political person, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not really in the book. I named
Speaker 2: the book the Red Pill because the book was so
Speaker 2: he was so non political. It was about his family
Speaker 2: that was they kind of went through. This is just
Speaker 2: a story of a family during the time of the
Speaker 2: year before Trump got elected, in the year after Trump
Speaker 2: got elected, so it was kind of which was a
Speaker 2: very storm me weird time, and families were kind of
Speaker 2: families that, you know, normal families will often have conservatives liberals,
Speaker 2: right at that moment for the first time that was
Speaker 2: really causing problems with families, and so that's what the
Speaker 2: book was about. The book was about a family of
Speaker 2: fairly normal, up er, middle class, liberal, arts educated people.
Speaker 2: But one of the guys in the family was kind
Speaker 2: of a manisphere guy, and one of the other people
Speaker 2: in the family was trying to get married and was
Speaker 2: having a terrible time. So the manisphere guy tries to
Speaker 2: help the guy wants to get married, and it was
Speaker 2: very funny, yeah, hilarity exactly, but it was also a
Speaker 2: pretty serious look at that time. And I thought it
Speaker 2: was great. I know, I thought it was going to
Speaker 2: be a big hit or something like, I thought it
Speaker 2: was my house. Yeah, So, but I bet it did
Speaker 2: get a lot of pushback. People didn't want to hear
Speaker 2: anything about Trump. And I handled the Trump thing completely objective.
Speaker 2: It was a lot about Trump, it was not about
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. But but it just didn't ay
Speaker 2: red Pill. I've got people really upset and and it
Speaker 2: was again that was that really affected me. I had
Speaker 2: to sort to deal with that. It was it kind
Speaker 2: of that kind of pushed me into the substack world
Speaker 2: where I, you know, which is the only real place.
Speaker 2: I felt like I could pursue something else, and you know,
Speaker 2: and eventually I started writing the Travel Staff and then
Speaker 2: and then that's turned out really well. So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Loved your I love your travel writings and hearing about
Speaker 1: the different places. Actually your recent one of your recent
Speaker 1: ones was about Julia's memoir where.
Speaker 2: She mentioned you.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, this is how we we
Speaker 1: first met.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. A question I.
Speaker 3: Asked all of my guests is what do you worry about?
Speaker 2: Well, I just worry about the world in general. Uh
Speaker 2: you know, I as as things crank up and get
Speaker 2: more uh interesting, shall we say, Uh, Like two years ago,
Speaker 2: I was more worried. And now that everybody else is worried,
Speaker 2: if everybody else is free, dad that I can relax. Right.
Speaker 2: It's so in a weird way, I'm not that concerned
Speaker 2: about this Coverlent election, and everybody else is very worried
Speaker 2: about it. In Portland, they're you know, gearing up the
Speaker 2: police force and putting unsensires for the stuff and.
Speaker 1: For the Trump supporters who are going to riot, right, well,
Speaker 1: I think that they did well.
Speaker 3: Yes, not a lot of Trump supporters in Portland, right right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the anti foot right there, their concerns that.
Speaker 2: They're very active here. We see them, you know, they
Speaker 2: they come out when uh, they might make an appearance.
Speaker 2: But you know what, usually, as I noticed in the
Speaker 2: years when the we'd have these riots, that one summer
Speaker 2: we had riots every night. The more the media tells
Speaker 2: you there's going to be a riot, there's less chances. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: when everybody gets all geared up, right, nothing happens.
Speaker 3: I think that you.
Speaker 1: Don't worry when everybody else is worried, but you worry
Speaker 1: when nobody else is worried.
Speaker 2: Or is that WEIRDO?
Speaker 1: I don't think you would write ya stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: young adult novels, so you are speaking to teenagers a
Speaker 1: lot of the time anyway, But what advice would you
Speaker 1: give a sixteen year old Blake Nelson?
Speaker 3: How would you do things differently? Or what should he know?
Speaker 2: Wow? You know, I don't know. You know, one thing
Speaker 2: in my particular case, the thing about the music and
Speaker 2: the writing. You know, music is a lot less political
Speaker 2: so if I wanted to have a nice, long career
Speaker 2: in the arts, maybe music would have been the better choice.
Speaker 2: Because now, you know, in a climate where politics is
Speaker 2: really important, then they're being a writer, it becomes much
Speaker 2: more dicey and so I but this has only happened recently.
Speaker 2: So for most of my writing career, I was I
Speaker 2: was faring. So but yeah, I would say tell my
Speaker 2: young self, just do you know, just follow your instincts,
Speaker 2: which is what I did, and just enjoy it. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a warrior and I you know, and it was
Speaker 2: obviously being a writer is very difficult that you know,
Speaker 2: you have to get rejected a ton and you have
Speaker 2: to you know, my career had wild ups and downs.
Speaker 1: We'll have more coming up with Blake Nelson. But first
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Speaker 3: You like to write.
Speaker 1: About like what's your You know, I know that you
Speaker 1: like like music and sort of talking to the teens,
Speaker 1: But do you have like what you consider your passion Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Well, I really loved writing the
Speaker 2: young adult books. I kind of got forced into writing
Speaker 2: the young adult books because I was having trouble getting
Speaker 2: my adult stuff published. After those first couple of books,
Speaker 2: I kind of hit a wall with that. So then
Speaker 2: I started writing YA books. And at first I was
Speaker 2: kind of annoyed, like I don't want to write WYA books.
Speaker 2: I want to be a famous writer, Like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: you know, coming away. But I found that I really
Speaker 2: liked writing about teenagers and the stuff that you go
Speaker 2: through at that age. And I felt like teenagers are
Speaker 2: kind of more themselves than adults are, you know, because
Speaker 2: they're kind of they're becoming themselves, and they're way more idealistic,
Speaker 2: and they're more uh, they're more like focused as personalities.
Speaker 2: They don't have to call they haven't they haven't compromised
Speaker 2: away all themselves yet and uh and you know, in
Speaker 2: the in the draw and the romantic dramas they go
Speaker 2: through are kind of pure in a way because it's
Speaker 2: the first time they're going through it. And I just
Speaker 2: I just loved it. I just really love doing it.
Speaker 2: And uh, and I'm one of those people that I
Speaker 2: kind of I didn't ever really mature. I never so
Speaker 2: it's always was very close to my heart and it
Speaker 2: was just fine I really and it turned out I
Speaker 2: loved it doing it, and uh, and then and then
Speaker 2: it turned out, you know, I got it movies and
Speaker 2: you know, it just was a good place for me.
Speaker 3: And then, what do you like about being on sub sect?
Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm on it, and I do send
Speaker 1: out an occasional thing, but I can't say that I've
Speaker 1: I understand it yet.
Speaker 3: I feel a little old for it.
Speaker 1: All my young friends are like, you should be on substack,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't get it.
Speaker 3: So you see, you do get it. Tell me about it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know the thing I did on it is
Speaker 2: I just I just developed. I'm a columnist on Substack.
Speaker 2: Every Saturday at three pm, I put out one of
Speaker 2: my travel pieces. Travel pieces, don't yes, because I do
Speaker 2: that on a regular basis. I can't always write about travel,
Speaker 2: so I have to write about other things also, And
Speaker 2: I've kind of just led myself adjust to the schedule
Speaker 2: of it. And I kind of always when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, I always wanted to be I love columnists.
Speaker 2: I loved it's the same person and you could tell
Speaker 2: when they were bored, you could tell what they did
Speaker 2: really want to write the column.
Speaker 3: As a columnist. I find that bar.
Speaker 2: Being yeah, yeah, and yeah, so you should know that pattern.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I feel like that, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I I feel like in the Rolling Stones and
Speaker 2: the Beatles in those early days in the sixties, those
Speaker 2: bands would put out singles like all the time, like
Speaker 2: very quickly. You're not not once a week obviously, but
Speaker 2: I love that idea. I love like, oh, this week's
Speaker 2: Colin didn't really hit Oh, but that Colin really did.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I can. It's just this way or
Speaker 2: that way you have just and that's what and that's
Speaker 2: what substack is fun for because you get this instant feedback.
Speaker 2: You you know, if you're lucky, you start to develop
Speaker 2: a following. Like I now have enough fans or subscribers
Speaker 2: that I really get a broad you know, I can
Speaker 2: kind of tell like what the older people like, I
Speaker 2: can the kids sort of like this stuff. And it's
Speaker 2: really fun and it's really interactive. I really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: When I had to kind of retire from the book business,
Speaker 2: I really did. I can't really imagine myself published at
Speaker 2: Simon and Schuster, Random House or something like that, which
Speaker 2: is how I made my living for you know, all
Speaker 2: my adult life, but says, I can't do that. I
Speaker 2: really didn't know if there would be anything I could
Speaker 2: do that would be fun or rewarding, or should I
Speaker 2: just stop writing completely and learn how to make chairs
Speaker 2: or something, you know, Like, I really didn't know what
Speaker 2: to what to do. And I stumbled into substack and
Speaker 2: I just started writing up. And I I loved writing
Speaker 2: travel stuff. Early in my career. I'd written some travel
Speaker 2: articles for Details magazine. Yeah that was really fun, and
Speaker 2: they would pay you lots of money in those days.
Speaker 3: And imagine getting paid lots of money to write that's.
Speaker 2: Crazy, no way, Oh my god, it's amazing. But so
Speaker 2: I just thought, and you know what, there's I love
Speaker 2: reading travel stuff, but there's almost no good travel stuff. Really.
Speaker 2: I don't like most travel writing in magazines or you know,
Speaker 2: like in New York Times, and it's not very good.
Speaker 2: It's just boring. People writers put on this tone when
Speaker 2: they're writing a travel piece, like oh, the sun set
Speaker 2: over Egypt. You know, it's just this really boring. And
Speaker 2: I and I was really the true you know yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah exactly, oh yeah, that's the classic what was Axui driver?
Speaker 2: And I really was determined I'm gonna, like, if nothing else,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a different kind of voice to
Speaker 2: do travel stuff where it's going to be it's as
Speaker 2: if you're standing you're sitting next to me, and I'm
Speaker 2: just talking ship and just saying whatever and uh and
Speaker 2: you know, making fun of things and uh it's I've
Speaker 2: really and that's kind of worked and uh so the
Speaker 2: substack has its Uh, I've kind of established a tone
Speaker 2: of voice, which is what you're always trying to do
Speaker 2: as a right You're always trying to get a recognizable
Speaker 2: and it isn't like exactly what I think always, but
Speaker 2: it's but it's a voice and it works, and it's uh,
Speaker 2: I really enjoy it. I love sitting down. I love
Speaker 2: it when I send in the you know what I
Speaker 2: pit sind Oh yeah. And then I started working on
Speaker 2: the next one, and you're you know what am I
Speaker 2: going to do? Sometimes I don't have a good win,
Speaker 2: you know, so I have to throw something together. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure you bet you all this, but I really
Speaker 2: like it. And because you're on a schedule, you can't
Speaker 2: be a perfectionist. You can't like worry about stuff too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and I've been a big fan of your
Speaker 2: work and I love I love the New York Post.
Speaker 2: The New York Post is are you trying to get
Speaker 2: UFE full together? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I've loved this conversation. He's Blake Nelson. His
Speaker 1: subsect page is called Travels to Distant Cities. You have
Speaker 1: to check it out. But if you're looking to read
Speaker 1: some of his books, start with Girl. It's really among
Speaker 1: my favorites. And here Blake with your best tip for
Speaker 1: my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I go for walks. I just go
Speaker 2: for a walk, heavy night, forty five minutes fortes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a long one.
Speaker 3: Constitutional Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, find cool places in your neighborhood. Explore
Speaker 2: your neighborhood. You know, I live in Portland where I
Speaker 2: grew up. Sometimes I drive places to go for a
Speaker 2: walk in the place I used to live or something.
Speaker 2: So walking that's product.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll take you up on that. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much, Blake Nelson. Check them out.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks, thanks so much for joining us on
Speaker 1: the Carol Mark which show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.