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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump says Republicans eat their young.

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Speaker 1: He actually said it twice. Cognitive decline explanation point. We

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Speaker 1: have an interesting show for you today. Adam mcgurney tells

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Speaker 1: us about his new book that takes us inside the

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Speaker 1: New York Times entitled The Times, How the newspaper of

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Speaker 1: records survives scandal, scorn, and the transformation of journalism. Then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Kim Pope Adams, who's a candidate in

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Speaker 1: a critical Virginia state election. But first we have the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post columnist George Conway. Welcome back to you Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: George Conway.

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Speaker 2: Which show is this?

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Speaker 1: It's not a show. We're just having a conversation. No

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Speaker 1: one can hear this, So just tell me everything.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. Oh, you should have heard at the Starbucks

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Speaker 2: this morning. What happened to me?

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Speaker 1: We have very exciting lives. Yes, George, you told me

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Speaker 1: something a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely deny that. It's nothing I would ever have said. Senator,

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Speaker 2: I did not. I've never spoken to Molly John as

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Speaker 2: far as I know she's a communist, rides in a

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Speaker 2: Lorna's limousine. Senator, Yes, you don't have the Senator Kennedy

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Speaker 2: in Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But so you said to me once Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to I'm sure you remember saying this

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Speaker 1: to me. You said, Donald Trump is going to destroy

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Speaker 1: the entire Republican Party and that's the only way this

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Speaker 1: can end. And I thought, well, maybe, but maybe Liz

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Speaker 1: Cheney or maybe some good guy comes in.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you're starting to say huh, like almost

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Speaker 2: everything else that George Conway says, it ages.

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Speaker 1: Well, well listen, we're not going to get into that,

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Speaker 1: but we can say.

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Speaker 2: For sure the plan is progressing.

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Speaker 1: It is incredible. I mean, I'm watching this Jim Jordan

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Speaker 1: screaming Steve scalifs again, this is in no way an endorsement.

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Speaker 2: No, no, you don't have to endorse Steve scali to

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Speaker 2: decide that if you had to spend three hours on

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Speaker 2: from Washington, would you rather spend it with Jim Jordan

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Speaker 2: Steve Scalise. You know, Steve Scale said the stupid shit

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Speaker 2: about baby or whatever the fucking did right and many

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Speaker 2: years ago, by all accounts, you'd rather spend the time

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Speaker 2: with Steve Scalise, and you know you can talk to him.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Republican donor, Are you going to write

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Speaker 1: a check to Jim Jordan? And I don't think you are.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's not their type. Scalice has been doing

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Speaker 2: with all these people.

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Speaker 1: They people like him, right, and he's the number two Republican.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think part of the thing is I

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Speaker 2: think all the wackadoodles realize that he's actually I mean again,

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Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on Congress, but senses he's the

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Speaker 3: View, which I'm not sure they really do. I think

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Speaker 3: he's not the grand standing type Jordan is going to be.

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Speaker 2: It's like going to be open. Jordan has to be

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Speaker 2: Gates because he's one of them. Scalis is actually he

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Speaker 2: was a legislator. He is a legendarator. He may not

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Speaker 2: like what he wants to legislate, but he actually is

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Speaker 2: Democrats were upset about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, he's got a relationship with Cedric Richmond. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think they want to see arm befall

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Speaker 2: Jim Jordan. I think, but I don't think the outpouring

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Speaker 1: So last night, the Republicans have vote. Jim Jordan got

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Speaker 1: That's not how it's supposed to work. The person with

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Speaker 2: Because you don't understand the modern Republican mentality, which is,

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Speaker 2: if I don't get what I want, then fuck you here.

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Speaker 2: If you have more votes, you cheated. Something happened, and

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Speaker 2: They live in this narcissistic La La land. And you know,

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Speaker 2: by one po one, one three, five eighth nine. Not

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Speaker 1: You're talking about Trump here. What is interesting here is

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Speaker 2: It seems more like she's auditioning for some club in

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Speaker 1: She wore a shirt with an A because and.

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Speaker 2: Then the next day she wore a corsette.

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Speaker 1: Right for adultery.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have a problem with that, obviously

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Speaker 1: When she was on with Jake Tapper on CNN, she

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Speaker 1: said that many Democrats actually trust Jim Jordan more than

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Speaker 1: Steve Scalise, which is absolutely the most batshit thing I've

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean, look, I haven't talked to Democrats

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Speaker 1: I mean, I interview a gazillion Democratic Congress people all

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Speaker 2: Ever, no I said before, if you're going to spend

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Speaker 1: Jordan, exactly, ask his wrestlers. So I want to like

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Speaker 1: There's going to be another meeting. By the way, yesterday

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Speaker 1: one of the Congress people, a lesser known backbencher, was

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Speaker 1: saying that people should just write down their top ten choices,

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Speaker 2: Ranked choice voting is not something they want because it

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Speaker 2: would you know, if you applied it to them, they'd all.

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Speaker 1: Lose, right exactly. So this will be airing on Monday.

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Speaker 1: On Monday, I'm going to bet you, we're going to

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Speaker 2: A speaker, and the only way they're going to have

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Speaker 1: Is oh, I want to hear this.

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Speaker 2: I think through the use of violence, hostage taking. I

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Speaker 2: and all these people who are pushing for Jordan, and

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Speaker 2: you've just gotten so pissed off after everything that you've

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Speaker 2: about from January sixth on, and you've just decided it's

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Speaker 2: why do I have to worry about getting thrown out?

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Speaker 2: It's not primary. You figure out some kind of deal

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Speaker 2: you could cut with Akeem Jefferies. It wouldn't have to

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Speaker 2: be Speaker Jeffries. Jeffries could be the majority leader, but

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Speaker 2: you could have some kind of a power sharing system

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Speaker 2: that has all the powers that the speaker normally has,

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Speaker 2: but the agreement with the parties between the people to

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Speaker 2: seventeen votes for somebody who could be Molli Jong Fast

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that seems like a good choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just say, okay, the Speaker will exercise his

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Speaker 2: the Democrats get so many things they can bring to

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Speaker 2: they will be the cabinet. With that work in practice,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it would work better than what

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Speaker 1: The thing that would doom this and it's why Republicans

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is that thirty percent of the

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Speaker 1: Right, So that's a pot You can't kind of deal

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Speaker 2: Because it's like, if I can't get what I want,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to destroy the world for everyone else. It's

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Speaker 2: a very terroristic view of the world, and it's a

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Speaker 2: slippery slope to the mentality of loss of democracy and violence.

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Speaker 2: It is worth doing your self harm and your children

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this studment. We have Mackaid's. He

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Speaker 1: when he shuts down the government because he is mad

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Speaker 1: about daylight savings time. Now Gates is saying he would

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Speaker 1: no way to make this look like a win.

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Speaker 2: No, unless they all of a sudden agree magically on

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Speaker 2: who want Those want chaos and they don't really care

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Speaker 1: You've been involved in this party for a long time.

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Speaker 1: You've been involved in the legal the Federal Society Crew

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Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about it, but a little

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Speaker 1: And I don't thank you George Conway, the best, the

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Speaker 1: ninety night. Adam mcgourney covers national politics for The New

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Mallya. I'm very happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this book. There are sort of books

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Speaker 6: Just rolling back a little bit, if you had known me,

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Speaker 6: When I first had the idea, I went to the

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Speaker 4: Putting this book together.

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Speaker 1: It is a little bit scary, though, to write a

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Speaker 6: And there are two reasons why, Moley. The first part

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Speaker 6: All the people I was interviewed were mostly out of

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Speaker 4: To cover built with it.

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Speaker 6: So the Times as the field more to itself, along

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Speaker 6: with obviously the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 6: but it's become a much smaller market unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what's really important what you talk

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Speaker 1: about is this idea that what the Times did. Was

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Speaker 1: it sort of smartly was able to tack Can you

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Speaker 1: talk about that?

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's interesting because The Times is such an

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Speaker 6: institutionalist paper and resistant to change.

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Speaker 4: And one thing I.

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Speaker 6: Realized as I was researching this is that it was

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Speaker 6: resistant to change but also open to change. It wasn't

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Speaker 6: as sort of like as easy as story as like

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Speaker 6: these stodgy old men, because that's what it was in

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Speaker 6: the early days, saying no to anything. They were willing

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Speaker 6: to change. The two main things that happened though, were

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Speaker 6: actually the main thing was that the publisher, Artur Solzberger Junior,

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Speaker 6: was very open to change. And you'll find these early

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Speaker 6: documents and speeches that he gave back in the earliest

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Speaker 6: days of his career when he talks about he's a

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Speaker 6: Star Trek fan, right, so he says, I don't care

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Speaker 6: if we have to beam the information into their head.

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Speaker 6: We're going to get into that. And he's a former

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Speaker 6: wire service guy, worked with the Associated so I don't

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Speaker 6: think he was kind of wad to the old way

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Speaker 6: of doing things the way his predecessors were. So I

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Speaker 6: think the paper was able to change. It wasn't leading

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Speaker 6: the pack at first. I think now it more or

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Speaker 6: less is, but it got there. The other thing you find,

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Speaker 6: you know, I spent a lot of time going through

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Speaker 6: documents at the archives of personal papers. You know, you

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Speaker 6: find these really big executives, guys like gab wosetal was

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Speaker 6: the executive vetitor back in the seventies and eighties, saying,

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Speaker 6: you know, digital seemed digital. I think they called it

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Speaker 6: television screen at the time. Seems cool enough, but no

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Speaker 6: one's never beginning their news off of that. And you

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Speaker 6: look at that, you go, well, they didn't see the future,

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Speaker 6: but other people did, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because it's like so many people

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Speaker 1: did not see the future, and there, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean I was so I mean really, a lot of

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Speaker 1: newspapers a magazine seeded to tech companies and let them

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Speaker 1: take over, which is how we're in this mass.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and the Times, to its credit, slow, making a

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Speaker 6: lot of mistakes slow on the way, got there, and

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Speaker 6: they know they didn't do it cleanly, but they got there.

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Speaker 4: They sort of realized the way the world was changing.

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Speaker 4: Two ways.

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Speaker 6: One was the revenue model. Right now is a subscriber

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Speaker 6: first newspaper. It's no longer reliant on advertisers, which obviously

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Speaker 6: can't be anymore. And second of all, you pick up

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Speaker 6: before every day and they just present stories in a

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Speaker 6: whole different way the print newspaper. The whole paper used

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Speaker 6: to be defined around the print newspaper or the front page,

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Speaker 6: and the editors now have made an aggressive effort to

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Speaker 6: move the culture beyond that. And I think to a

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Speaker 6: large ext they have they don't think about the front page.

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Speaker 6: They think about the follow up, right.

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Speaker 1: But I also think this idea that they have multiple

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Speaker 1: front pages now is pretty interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting he raise an

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Speaker 4: interesting question here.

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Speaker 6: What thing that I always liked about The Times and

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Speaker 6: the Times front page was the curation A bunch of

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Speaker 6: presumably very smart for people telling me, hey, these are

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Speaker 6: the seven stories you have to read, or the six stories,

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Speaker 6: even though one of them might seem real, eat your pees,

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Speaker 6: you know what I mean? Well, you know, there's much

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Speaker 6: more churn on the homepage, like, for example, like you

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Speaker 6: know today we have the turmoil in the Mideast. There's

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Speaker 6: I think last time I looked six or seven stories

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Speaker 6: just on that alone. It'll change a lot during the day.

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Speaker 6: It's just different that way. But I think you still

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Speaker 6: find the kind of stories that historically define the New

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Speaker 6: York Times, that kind of hopefully exceptional journalism to define

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Speaker 6: the New York Times. They are not necessarily just appealing

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Speaker 6: to the explosion of what's going on right now, or

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Speaker 6: even to something that readers want to read.

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Speaker 4: It's just a little bit more texture.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the idea that they really did bring in

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Speaker 1: podcasts too, which turned out to be a very smart move.

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Speaker 4: It's funny.

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Speaker 6: I saw one of the podcasters, Michael Barbara, the other night,

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Speaker 6: and it reminded me that I was involved, like and

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Speaker 6: years ago, fifteen years ago, I can't remember what it

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Speaker 6: was called, but some kind of honestly super lame podcasts

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Speaker 6: efver And you look back on it and it was

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Speaker 6: so amateur hour, right, And then you look at where

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Speaker 6: they end up now, and it's like pretty remarkable that

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Speaker 6: sort of sophistication and how important podcasts are to the

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Speaker 6: Times sort of offering.

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Speaker 4: So it's really interesting the way they grew up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you don't know something is popular until

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Speaker 1: it is right. You don't know's I mean, you just

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Speaker 1: have to keep sort of feeling around in the dark.

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Speaker 1: But I have this theory about the New York Times,

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Speaker 1: which is that everybody reads it, so everybody gets mad

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Speaker 1: at it, right, I mean, do you think that's true.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you guys get more scrutiny than

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Speaker 1: everybody else?

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Speaker 4: I do? I do, And I am not sure that's

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Speaker 4: such a bad thing.

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Speaker 6: You go through ways over the decades where people love

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Speaker 6: hate the New York Times, right, and the paper clearly

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Speaker 6: comes under a lot of criticism for mistakes that it

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Speaker 6: made Iraq right, and I guess I said that more

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Speaker 6: than ever. But the upside of that is scrutiny is

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Speaker 6: a good thing, right, where paper slowly itetself up to

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Speaker 6: this super high standard and having outside people scrutinize stuff

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Speaker 6: and say, hey, you got this wrong, whether it's using

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Speaker 6: the word goo versus boom or you know, or whether

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Speaker 6: it's just totally missing the importance of I should probably

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Speaker 6: not even mention the bdies stuff now, But earlier stories

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Speaker 6: about Iraq are about anything that the paper got wrong.

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Speaker 4: Or got off, you know. And I think that's a

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Speaker 4: good thing.

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Speaker 6: And is you know, when you're at the front, when

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Speaker 6: you're in the middle of it, when you're getting lots

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Speaker 6: of emails or slag on Twitter for getting something off

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Speaker 6: or wrong, is it exhausting, yet is it ultimately helpful? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you know it is right, because again we should be

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Speaker 6: accountable in the same way that paper holds other people account.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting phenomenon I think a lot about

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Speaker 1: Like so, Elon Musk has decided he's going to recreate

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media with just a few of his far

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Speaker 1: right friends doing content moderation, and you really see how

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Speaker 1: hard it is.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to try to guess what his ultimate

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Speaker 6: goal is. But I think this sort of size of

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Speaker 6: the Times always the intellectual diversity, not quite as much

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Speaker 6: in terms of politics, but intellectual diversity, I think assures

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Speaker 6: that there's slightly more balance at the Times, or at

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Speaker 6: least tempt to be.

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Speaker 4: We're balanced.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure Elard Musk is even aspiring to that.

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Speaker 6: And again the Times that it gets stuff wrong, it

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Speaker 6: always has throughout the course of this history. But I

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Speaker 6: do think generally their aspirations its aspirations are pretty clear,

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Speaker 6: which is try to present the news that old phrase

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Speaker 6: without fear of favor.

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Speaker 1: Right. We do see the importance of the many layers

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Speaker 1: that the Times has, and we have that vanu Fair too,

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Speaker 1: fact checking and lawyers and not to get back to

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Speaker 1: this Elon must thing, but Elon Musk had these decided

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Speaker 1: that he was going to tweet this I feel like

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Speaker 1: is really important because we're in this information situation where

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Speaker 1: more more important than ever, there needs to be some

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Speaker 1: ability to trust the sources that we're getting news from.

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Speaker 1: So Elon Musk had tweeted out these two Twitter accounts

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Speaker 1: that he felt were good source of information and turned

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Speaker 1: out one had said all these anti Semitic things, which

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Speaker 1: again perhaps not disqualifying to Musk, who knows, but he

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Speaker 1: did eventually take that back. But you really do see

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Speaker 6: I mean, I saw that and I was kind of

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Speaker 6: shocked by that. Let's assume that he made a mistake.

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Speaker 6: Who knows, there are many you know, I guess like

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Speaker 6: a vanity fair or every place. There are many layers

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Speaker 6: at the New York Times to prevent that kind of

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Speaker 6: stuff from happening, as we both know some sides it does.

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Speaker 6: But you know, there's a standards desk, and there's all

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Speaker 6: kinds of editors, and like that's why I'm always a

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Speaker 6: little bit dubious about how much that was a mistake

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Speaker 6: on Musta's part. But it's hard to believe that something

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Speaker 6: like that would happen at the Times, And I do

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Speaker 6: think that if it did, they would correct it, if

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Speaker 6: not involuntarily, after getting this sort of backlash that I

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Speaker 6: guess we saw muscot, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing that I think is pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: is that we have this sort of backlash. There was

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Speaker 1: a time during you know, twenty sixteen where subscribing to

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Speaker 1: The New York Times was considered to be a act

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Speaker 1: of resistance, right, and there were these TV commercials and

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Speaker 1: there was a feeling that you know, this was and

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Speaker 1: then after Trump left office there was sort of certainly

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Speaker 1: a certain level of fury there. Do you think and discuss?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I remember right after that election,

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Speaker 6: there was a after Trump bought in twenty sixteen, there

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Speaker 6: was a lot of anger at the Times, right because

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Speaker 6: a lot of readers felt that we had not covered

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Speaker 6: that election correctly. There was a threat of a reader

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Speaker 6: boycott if people canceling subscribers, And that's what I was

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Speaker 6: sort of any of the book I was doing some

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Speaker 6: inside reporting thinking about what would be the epilogue of

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Speaker 6: the book, so I was able to attend some of

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Speaker 6: the meetings where it was discussed, and what they found

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Speaker 6: was that, in fact, there was a surge of circulation

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Speaker 6: that Trump bump, as we later came to see it.

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Speaker 6: And I think what's happened over the time is as

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Speaker 6: those numbers have continued. The paper has figured out a

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Speaker 6: way to continue holding and increasing subscribers. But that was

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Speaker 6: a big moment, And you're right, politics were the politics

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Speaker 1: Important, supposely, And again, like I don't totally trust a

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Speaker 1: lot of this stuff because I don't feel like we

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Speaker 1: have such great polling apparatuses anymore. Don't tell the many

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Speaker 1: pollsters I have on this podcast, who I like a lot.

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Speaker 1: But I do feel like from some of the polling

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Speaker 1: I've seen, it shows that mainstream media distrust is at

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Speaker 1: its highest levels. And I mean, certainly Trump was able

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Speaker 1: to lay the groundwork for that, but I also think

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Speaker 1: social media plays a role there too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you.

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Speaker 6: Could see over the course of this book the decline

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Speaker 6: in public trust of the media and the New York Times,

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Speaker 6: And I agree with you about the problems of polling

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Speaker 6: these days, but let's you know, The Times deserves some

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Speaker 6: laying for this. So for example, again when the paper

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Speaker 6: screwed up on the coverage of the Raq War, of

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Speaker 6: the lead up to the Iraq War, weapons of mass destruction,

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Speaker 6: when Jason Blair was caught abricating dozens and dozens of stories,

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Speaker 6: newspaper they didn't at That's about before and even before

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Speaker 6: Trump came in, there was a long sort of I

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Speaker 6: think I do I know, organized process by conservatives just

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Speaker 6: sort of delegitimize the New York Times. And I think

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Speaker 6: that in a way Trump got that and increased that.

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Speaker 6: So that is part of the reality. The Times is

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Speaker 6: not the admired, unchallenged moderator of what is truth and

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Speaker 6: what is not. That it was at the beginning of this.

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Speaker 1: Book we saw this case against CNN being made by

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Speaker 1: Trump too. You know, the idea is to work the

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Speaker 1: reps and undermine the trust. But this is quite important

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Speaker 1: and interesting and I really appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 4: Adam, my pleasure. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Kimberly Pope Adams is a Democratic state delegate candidate for

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Speaker 1: Virginia's eighty second district. Welcome to Fast Politics. Kimberly Pope Adams.

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Speaker 7: Hello, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk. You're a Democratic nominee for VIA's House

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Speaker 1: District eighty two. Virginia is is the center of the action.

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Speaker 1: It is a big important swing state. Talk to me

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Speaker 1: about what's going on.

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Speaker 7: Oh, yes, it is because this race is really the

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Speaker 7: deciding factor in what happened in the South for our

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Speaker 7: reproductive freedoms. Because Virginia is the last state, We're the

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Speaker 7: last state haven in the South for women's reproductive access.

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Speaker 7: So it is so very important that our people get

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Speaker 7: out to vote and make sure our voices are heard.

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Speaker 1: So you are running in the House, the VA House.

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Speaker 1: The situation right now in Virginia is you have Young

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Speaker 1: Cain is the governor. You have a Republican House of

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Speaker 1: Delegates and a Democratic state House. If Democrats lose the

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Speaker 1: state House, Young Cain can turn Virginia into Florida. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So yes, we have a Republican governor. We currently have

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Speaker 1: a Republican majority in the House of Delegates, but we do.

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Speaker 1: Democrats do have a slim majority in the States Senate.

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Speaker 1: So what Governor Yuckett wants to do, he wants to

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Speaker 1: hold the House and flip the Senate.

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Speaker 7: But we obviously will not allow that to happen because

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Speaker 7: if Republicans were to get the trifect it would just

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Speaker 7: reverse all of the progress that we've made over the years.

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Speaker 7: So clearly cannot allow that to happen.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things we were just talking about

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Speaker 1: before we started recording is that in Virginia, because Democrats

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Speaker 1: were for a time had the governorship and the House

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Speaker 1: of Delegates and the state Senate, you guys started a

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Speaker 1: forty five day early voting window, which is incredible, and

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Speaker 1: it's incredible for working people for whom a Tuesday is not.

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Speaker 1: Taking a Tuesday off to wait online is not an

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Speaker 1: option exactly.

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Speaker 7: And that's so important because personally, I'm the daughter of

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Speaker 7: a union worker, so I grew up in a very

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Speaker 7: middle class, blue collar household. And you're right, Tuesdays from

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Speaker 7: six am to seven pm for some people is their

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Speaker 7: entire work day. So we were so fortunate in Virginia

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Speaker 7: when we did have the trifecta, Democrats were able to

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Speaker 7: impose forty five days of early voting. So it's about,

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Speaker 7: you know, access, and that's really what democracy is about.

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Speaker 7: It's about making sure people's voices can be heard, and

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Speaker 7: this forty five days does that.

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Speaker 1: That said, there is early voting right now and it

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Speaker 1: has been going on.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Early voting in Virginia started on September twenty second.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that people understand just how dangerous not

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Speaker 1: even dangerous, but dangerous Glenn Youngkin is. And I was

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Speaker 1: hoping you could talk a little bit about what's happening

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Speaker 1: with the voter roles.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for asking, because what is happening

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Speaker 7: currently in Virginia is that our governor of Republican Governor

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Speaker 7: Glenn Youngkin and his administration, they have begun removing names

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Speaker 7: from the voter rule. And it's no secret to Democrats

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Speaker 7: why they're doing this, because Republicans know that their agenda

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Speaker 7: is so extreme and so unpopular that the only thing

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Speaker 7: they can do is to keep people from making their

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Speaker 7: voices heard. And they do that by trying to keep

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Speaker 7: us from the ballot box. But let me tell you

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Speaker 7: this November, we are going to hold these extremists accountable.

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Speaker 7: Extremists like my opponent, and we're going to make sure

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Speaker 7: we send a message that by people like my opponent.

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Speaker 7: You know, she doesn't get to take away funding from

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Speaker 7: our public schools, she doesn't get to in ritunal business,

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Speaker 7: she doesn't get to take away our rights. She can't

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Speaker 7: do that without consequences. And for us, the consequence is

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Speaker 7: to vote our out.

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Speaker 1: Right and explain to me she is the incumbent.

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Speaker 7: Yes, she is the incumbent. Two years ago we lost

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Speaker 7: this seat narrowly five hundred twelve votes, so we know

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Speaker 7: that this seat is historically blue, even though the incumbent

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Speaker 7: is not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is like what's happened in New York

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Speaker 1: State where we've had Republicans win in six seats that

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Speaker 1: should be Biden seeds. Like this is a This is

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Speaker 1: one of these situations where it's clearly it's a blue

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Speaker 1: seat or it should be a blue seat.

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Speaker 7: Exactly, this is absolutely a blue seat, and we'll be

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Speaker 7: this November.

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Speaker 1: Do Democrats just take their eye off the ball, like

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Speaker 1: what happened? And do you think that the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: now is getting its shit together when it comes to this.

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Speaker 7: Well, and I'll tell you, like I said before in

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Speaker 7: twenty nineteen, Democrats had the trifecta. We had both chambers

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Speaker 7: of the General Assembly along with the governor's mansion. And

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Speaker 7: admittedly we perhaps were a bit comfortable going into twenty

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Speaker 7: one and by losing this seat and others in the

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Speaker 7: State House, what that taught us is that we can

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Speaker 7: never take our foot off the gas. So to your point,

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Speaker 7: are we getting our shit together? Yes, we have our

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Speaker 7: shit together, and we are and we are very much

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Speaker 7: committed to making sure that we revived voters. There is

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Speaker 7: an off year election in Virginia because the way our

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Speaker 7: statewide offices fall, we have an election in Virginia every year.

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Speaker 7: So we are now operating to make sure voters know

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Speaker 7: every year there's something on the ballot, and every year

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Speaker 7: you have to make your voice heard, because if we

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Speaker 7: set out even one cycle, we allow these extrememists to

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Speaker 7: come in and we get to take.

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Speaker 3: Away our rights.

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Speaker 7: We can't let that happen.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, do you feel like Democrats are getting out to vote?

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a groundswell. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that voters understand what's at stake here?

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Speaker 7: Oh? Absolutely, and listen, I'm not doors every single day,

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Speaker 7: and when I'm not doors, people are telling me that

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Speaker 7: they're scared, And the reason they're scared is because they

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Speaker 7: know when it comes to women's reproductive freedom, when it

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Speaker 7: comes to abortion rights in Virginia, they know if they

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Speaker 7: allow Republicans to take away this right, then what's next.

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Speaker 7: You know what's next? Is it LGBTQ plus rights? Is

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Speaker 7: it voting rights? So people in my district understand that

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Speaker 7: this is a flippery slope, and they understand that they

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Speaker 7: have to make sure that their voice is heard this

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Speaker 7: election and every election so that we don't run the

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Speaker 7: risk of moving backwards.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that Democrats have this tendency to

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Speaker 1: kind of get passionate and then back off and then

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Speaker 1: get back This is something I as a Democrats struggle with.

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Speaker 7: Well, I wouldn't say that we become passionate and then

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Speaker 7: back off. Sometimes our focus may shift. But what I've

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Speaker 7: discovered in my district especially, is that the issues that

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Speaker 7: are important to us have always been important to us

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Speaker 7: in all fays will be so while the DOMS decision

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Speaker 7: has allowed us to reprioritize, the main issues are the same.

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Speaker 4: Core issues are the same.

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Speaker 7: We are still fighting for reproductive freedom, we are still

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Speaker 7: fighting for our public schools. We are still fighting for

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Speaker 7: faith communities, you know, communities free of gun violence. So,

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Speaker 7: like I said, while while Democrats may have reprioritized, which

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Speaker 7: they see as our outward effort, trust me, the priorities

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Speaker 7: are still me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think like if young kin and Republicans

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Speaker 1: are able to take over Virginia, it will mean women

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Speaker 1: will not be able to get abortions in Virginia, and

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Speaker 1: so the abortion desert will grow.

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Speaker 7: Yes, because like I said, we are the last safe

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Speaker 7: haven in the South. We are the last state in

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Speaker 7: the South that has not imposed for restrictions since the

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Speaker 7: overturning of Roe. So you're right, if Republicans were to

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Speaker 7: win this trifecta, it would be detrimental not just to Virginia,

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Speaker 7: but to all of those bordering states. I mean, we

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Speaker 7: have women driving up Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina driving

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Speaker 7: over for Kentucky, Tennessee because of the fact that we

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Speaker 7: can still provide that access. Well again if they if

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Speaker 7: Republicans were to win, it would it would be detrimental

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Speaker 7: to the entire region, not just to Virginia.

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Speaker 1: I think about how how important these state elections really are.

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Speaker 1: We've seen over the last you know, since Trump came

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Speaker 1: to power, how much these small conservative state houses have

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Speaker 1: created bills and changed Roe would not have been overturned

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Speaker 1: had it not been for SBA and conservative activists have

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Speaker 1: really been able to kind of permeate these state houses.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you're right, it shows us how important, as you said,

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Speaker 7: how important these state elections are. Like I said, in Virginia,

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Speaker 7: there is no all year, and I believe the overturning

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Speaker 7: of Row really showed us, you know, glaringly that we

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Speaker 7: cannot ignore our local elections. I mean all the way

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Speaker 7: down to school board. Okay, we need to make sure

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Speaker 7: that every time something is on the ballot that we

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Speaker 7: make our boys heard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just such an important point. So tell me

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Speaker 1: what your race looks like and sort of what your

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Speaker 1: plan is for the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 7: The sword answer is not doors, not doors, not doors,

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Speaker 7: because there is no better way to learn the needs

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Speaker 7: and concerns of the district than by asking. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I can't go to Richmond and fight for you if

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Speaker 7: I don't know what you need. So for the next weeks,

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Speaker 7: my emphasis is on knocking doors. And actually I mean

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Speaker 7: anyone who wants to come down and.

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Speaker 1: Help with that.

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Speaker 7: They are more than welcome to because if you visit

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Speaker 7: my website Keim Adams for VA dot com, but it's

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Speaker 7: all letters, no numbers. Hey, I am A D, A M.

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Speaker 7: S F O r VA dot com. You could sign

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Speaker 7: up to camp list, you could sign up to postcard

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Speaker 7: to letter write, and you can also make donations on

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Speaker 7: that site because at this point, voter outreach and voter

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Speaker 7: contact is crucial because we need to make sure that

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Speaker 7: we show up, we show up in big numbers, and

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Speaker 7: we send on that message that extremists in Virginia will

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Speaker 7: not win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is really important. And you're knocking

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Speaker 1: on doors, you're still raising money and raising runners for

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Speaker 1: this race.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Fundraising is a critical component of any election, especially

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Speaker 7: this one because Governor Glenn Youngin has made it clear

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Speaker 7: that he is bearing no expense on this racing. He

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Speaker 7: very much meets this seat in order in order to

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Speaker 7: boost his own political aspirations perhaps in the future. But again,

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Speaker 7: like I said, fundraising is important. My opponent it's spending

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Speaker 7: at this point over a million dollars on TV ads.

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Speaker 7: So again my website, him Adams four VA dot com

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Speaker 7: is how you can help us in this fight.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Kimberly. I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 7: Oh, thank you so much for having me. Please let

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Speaker 7: me know when you want me back, and I'll be here.

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Speaker 2: A moment.

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Speaker 8: Jessie Cannon Boni, John Fast, I am so upset. We

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Speaker 8: have to talk about Jim Jordan all the time because,

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Speaker 8: as Rick Wilson said on the podcast, well man has rabies.

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Speaker 1: And looks like he has rabies. He doesn't have them rabies.

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Speaker 1: This is how we don't get soon. Jim Jordan does

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Speaker 1: not technically have rabies. Sure he looks like he has it,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't actually have it. Ladies and gentlemen discuss.

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Speaker 8: He's forcing a floor vote for speakership on Tuesday. What

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Speaker 8: do you see happening here?

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Speaker 1: So, Jim Jordan. One of my favorite moments in Republican

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Speaker 1: math is they don't have the votes, They never have

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Speaker 1: the votes, and yet they decide to make the votes anyway.

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Speaker 1: So here we had Nancy Pelosi never lost a vote, right,

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Speaker 1: never lost a vote. She never lost a rules vote,

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Speaker 1: she never lost a floor vote because she whipped the votes.

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Speaker 1: Because vote whipping is actually a job. It's a congressional

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Speaker 1: job to be the whip all right, Republicans don't whip

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Speaker 1: votes because math is you know, math is a woke construct.

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Speaker 1: So they just go in there without the right numbers.

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Speaker 1: And so we are going to see Jim Jordan, everyone's

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Speaker 1: favorite crime ignorer, except what he's trying to overturn the election.

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Speaker 1: That guy does not have the votes he needs to

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Speaker 1: turn fifty five votes, fifty five votes in order to

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Speaker 1: win speakership. And that is why that bit of stupid,

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Speaker 1: that inability to math, that is our moment of fuckery.

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Speaker 8: I'm really looking forward to Chris Ruffo putting everywhere a

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Speaker 8: quote from you that said math is a quoke construct.

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Speaker 1: Matth is a woke construct. Bitches. That's it for this

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Speaker 1: episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and

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Speaker 1: Friday to hear the best minds in politics makes sense

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Speaker 1: of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard,

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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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Speaker 1: And again, thanks for listening.