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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to this

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Speaker 1: special show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. But this is a

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Speaker 1: very special thing that we're incredibly happy to share with you.

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Speaker 1: As Matt said, uh, this is not your normal show,

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Speaker 1: you see. We uh we posted up together not too

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Speaker 1: long ago and attended a thing called Podcast Movement in Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: and we were pretty safe about it, as it said. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: as we've said on the show before, we have all

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Speaker 1: a pandemic. So I don't know if we'll be able

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Speaker 1: It was nice. Yeah, and it couldn't have been a

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Speaker 1: more apropos topic, I think, given the climate that we

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Speaker 1: kind of sift through a lot of the fake news

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Speaker 1: on that very thing. Yeah, so what you're about to

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Speaker 1: an awesome audience moderated by our very own Lauren Vogelbam.

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Speaker 1: You will you will recognize her voice from all the

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Speaker 1: mean that's this is almost like, in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: just an episode about stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 1: know and why we do what we do and how

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Speaker 1: I know I certainly did. Sitting there listening to you

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Speaker 1: guys as we were talking the time, the time flew

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Speaker 1: out think, of course, our our moderator and long suffering

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Speaker 1: Doc Admission Control. She has been far too kind putting

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Speaker 1: up with us for so long. And with that, let's

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Speaker 1: head into the show, the real one, not this one,

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Speaker 1: the one that you're in. This show. Yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I am your friendly neighborhood and moderator. My name is

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Speaker 1: Laura vocal Bomb. I'm with I Heart Media. Oh, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Um uh. And we have with us today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the guys from Stuff they Don't Want You to Know?

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Speaker 1: This is Ben Bollen and Noel Brown and Matt Frederick. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're you and you're here. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being here. Um uh. This this panel is called the

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy Panel Critical Thinking in a Post truth World. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you guys aren't familiar with the show, it

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Speaker 1: is a conspiracy is show. Um. Stuff they Don't Want

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Speaker 1: has grown into one of the most popular podcasts in

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Speaker 1: the world about uh everything strange um conspiracy to allegations

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. You've probably heard it, but they're

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Speaker 1: here today to talk about what they call conspiracy realism,

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Speaker 1: I'm reading off the notes that you gave me. Thanks

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Speaker 1: just gonna that's who I am. I don't believe that

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00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: people that wake up and I say, the majority of

428
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: people like even if they seem really far gone or

429
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: they're well intentioned, you know, and there and from their

430
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: perspective when they're speaking with someone that they're trying to

431
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: persuade to follow a certain belief set or piece of folklore,

432
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: modern mythology. They see themselves as Promethean, they see themselves

433
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: as illuminators, and you know they're bringing understanding anyway. Well,

434
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: but so there's two things here, and one is one

435
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: is you know, like most of us are getting our

436
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: initial news a lot from either social media or from

437
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: word of mouth. UM, and so how do we ourselves,

438
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: um sort out the misinformation that we're constantly given a

439
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: stream of. And then also how do you talk to

440
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: the people who are spreading that information, Like how how

441
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: do you have a conversation with them? We have a

442
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: pretty good case study for this that we were just

443
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: talking about today. UM. In Atlanta, where we're from, there's

444
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: been a lot of to do made online about there

445
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: being a serial killer. Yeah, like I got I got

446
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: this text from a friend and she was like, hey,

447
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: don't go walking alone and there's a serial killer. And

448
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the first I have heard

449
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: of this uh viral Instagram post that probably many people

450
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: in the audience have seen. UM because it's sexy. It's

451
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: the thing that people want. I mean, I mean in

452
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: terms of like it is the Koreans nature of it,

453
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot cooler to share and be the one

454
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: the lightbringer that says, hey, there's a psychopath out there

455
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: mutilating corpses in the park. You know, watch out. As

456
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: opposed to there's been one admittedly violent crime, there's two.

457
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean there there there were three, but like they're

458
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: not even necessarily connected. My point is the one that

459
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: people have been really focusing on was a stabbing, and

460
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: there was another one there was a shoot. You'll never

461
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: know the truth, well anything, it's too late. It's sorry,

462
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: it's true. Like there there are there are real human

463
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: beings at stake, real human lives, irreplaceable. And people were

464
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: again with the best of intentions, posting something that they

465
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: thought would help other people, would help their loved ones.

466
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: But we see what we see what happened to be

467
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: um to be specific, there was there was the horrific

468
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: murder of a thirty nine year old named Katie Uh

469
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: Janice Jenness, and then in uh in another area in

470
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the Atlanta metro there was the homicide the murder of

471
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old named Tory Lang. This the the

472
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: FBI defines a serial killer, which is a relatively rare phenomenon.

473
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: In the real world, they define a serial killer as

474
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: at least three murders, typically with a dormant period in between.

475
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: So if you're making the social media post and you

476
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: want to make the claim that there is an there

477
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: is a serial murderer on the loose, you need number three.

478
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: And if you look at that social media post, that's

479
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: where no, that's where it breaks down number. There are

480
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: a lot of details about numbers one and two because unfortunately, tragically,

481
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: those people did both die. No. Three is a third

482
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: murder in Norcross. Norcross is the most specific part of

483
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: that statement. Norcross is a place with a population of

484
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands, and there's no detail about that third

485
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: person because they're trying to create We went past recognizing patterns,

486
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: which is the reason humans evolve to this level, and

487
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: went to creating them, whether consciously or not. And that's

488
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: a danger and it's also massively, massively offensive to the

489
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: family and not not only that, And what I was

490
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: getting on before was one of the big viral posts.

491
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: Outside of a few tweets that said serial killer on

492
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: the loose, watch out, there was literally a screenshot of

493
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: somebody anonymous source and some very very very grizzly details

494
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: about things that were done in the first crime, in

495
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: the stabbing, things that have been reported absolutely nowhere. Um.

496
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: I think man. We saw an article on our local

497
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: TV station where a quote unquote crime scene expert employed

498
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: by television station said something the effect of posed these

499
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: questions what if there was necrophilia? But I'm saying it

500
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: was just a series of these And so all of

501
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, now someone is posting things about these very

502
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: specific details that are not in the record anywhere. Now

503
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: it's certainly possible this might be an insider who has

504
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: some kind of scoop that we don't and blowing the

505
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: whistle or something, but it's not verified at all. And

506
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: the only information that's come officially from the chief of

507
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: police of the a p D is it was a

508
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: gruesome scene. That's all we know. That's all we've heard. Yes, Um,

509
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: And it's crazy to think if if you get most

510
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: of your news, whether it's good or not, from a

511
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: social media feed or just from hearing from others, you're

512
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna believe that it's fully true if you just watch

513
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 1: your local news channel, like, uh, you know, my parents

514
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: and and a lot of people do they just watch

515
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: a local news channel, they read a newspaper, You're very

516
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: likely to believe that it's completely not true. If you

517
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: were just a rational thinker, you understand that the FBI

518
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: and any police department does not share any pertinent details

519
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: for an ongoing investigation. So nobody, no journalist unless they've

520
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: got an exact inside track with somebody who's you know,

521
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: a CSI person, like all the people that are on

522
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: the other side of this convention center by the way,

523
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: fascinating stuff. Yeah it's a different it's a different convention,

524
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: but it's true. But but then probably have podcasts to them.

525
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: But what I'm thinking is we we won't know those

526
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: details for a long time unless you know, somebody gets caught,

527
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: unless there's a trial, less you know, time goes on

528
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: for a little while. So we kind of exist in

529
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: this weird space of not being able to know the

530
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: full story at all times, want to so badly that

531
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: we're willing to share the thing that Again, I used

532
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: the terms sex here there and it was probably inappropriate,

533
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: but I just mean in terms of like grabby, this

534
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: is the thing that makes me feel the most smart,

535
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: the most empowered, the one that has the inside scoop

536
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: that nobody else has. But everyone feels that way. It's

537
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: the easiest thing in the world to see something really

538
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: terrible and terrifying. You want to be the one that

539
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: hips everyone to that thing. You know. Yeah, I would

540
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: say there's social pressure too with social media, you know

541
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, there's there's um the lowest form

542
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: of this probably is on Facebook, where it's like innocuous live, laugh,

543
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: lovesh statement if you agree share, I bet ten people won't.

544
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: And then, you know, for a long time people were like, well, I,

545
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: by god, I'm gonna be number eight. I think people

546
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: should live, I think they should laugh, and you know what,

547
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: I think they should love. And then this evolved into

548
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: this into this pressure thing. There are people in the

549
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: case of this, uh, this this rumor that still, as

550
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: Matt said, has a lot of questions to be answered

551
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: in Atlanta that is going on right now. In the

552
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: case of that rumor, it is not unfair to assume

553
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: there were people who said, I may not have all

554
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: the facts, but I have people in my life that

555
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I want to protect. Therefore, I am a good person

556
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: if I share this, and I am a callous person

557
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: if I do not. And that pressure doesn't always have

558
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: to be conscious, but it is ever present. And maybe

559
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: if you think, you know, you think that if you

560
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: share the one with the grizzliest details, whether or not

561
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: they're true, it'll freak people out enough to make them

562
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 1: do something and to actually act as opposed to another homicide.

563
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: There's lots of homicides in Atlanta every every day everywhere. Um,

564
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: but when you start seeing things like that, it starts

565
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: the other. But then you hear the FBI is involved,

566
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: which is true, and so why you know, let's go there, like,

567
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't bring the FBI in. It is

568
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: a violent crime, but I mean, so it is a shooting,

569
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't it's a little fishy. I

570
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: think that the FBI is involved, but yeah, we we

571
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: just don't have all the facts. So I mean, it'll

572
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: we will find out eventually. But I just think that

573
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: it's an interesting case study for exactly what we're talking about.

574
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: I think so too. And looking, I don't want to

575
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: go all the way down this route on this stage

576
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: right now, but what if that kind that same kind

577
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: of thing we're an anonymous sore is telling you that

578
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: the government is fully corrupt and and what we have

579
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: to do is fight back against this government right now.

580
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: And the only way to do this is we gotta

581
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: rise up, we gotta start organizing and talking to each other.

582
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: And you know, if but if it's coming from a

583
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: place of just a an anonymous source that for some

584
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: reason everybody inside this one particular bubble believes it. One

585
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: blonde dude kind of did a thing that I don't

586
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, but I just know that

587
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: it's I. It is potentially very dangerous because we want

588
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: everybody wants, like Ben said, to be the good person,

589
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: to share the important stuff, to help other people, and

590
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: to do the right thing that is the right thing

591
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: for them. There's anarchists though, and just want to like

592
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: so chaos and disinformation, and that's part of the equation too.

593
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: We can't forget about that dehumanizing like Dunbar's numbers, you know,

594
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: still not the best science, but there is a dehumanization

595
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: that occurs. You know, you're talking to an avatar or

596
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: your your I don't know. It's just very easy to

597
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: bring people in because there's this arms link distance one feels.

598
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: You know, if you look, if you talk in person

599
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: to people, whould consider themselves online um, proponents of the

600
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: Q and on ideas, and talk to them in person.

601
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, hey, here's a funny meme, you

602
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They're not gonna be like, let's

603
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: go burn down Nashville because that's the seat of the

604
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: deep state. I think, I don't know. I haven't been

605
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: throughout the whole resort yet, so maybe, but um, but yes,

606
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: So we think we think this is important, and we

607
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: think it's also important to be approachable and to be

608
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: transparent and clear about this. There's nothing there's nothing wrong

609
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: with admitting when you do not know an answer. In fact,

610
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I would say it is our responsibility and often neglected

611
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: responsibility to say that when it is true, especially when

612
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about important things. So takeaways, real quick takeaways

613
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: are watch out when somebody is phrasing things as leading

614
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: questions that happens on ghost shows or ancient aliens all

615
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: the time. You know where they're they're keeping the question

616
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: and the answer, and they're like, well, like, they can't

617
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: say this pyramid was built by an alien because it's untrue.

618
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: But what they can do is be like, well, you

619
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: know what if pyramid was built by an alien cut

620
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: to commercial or is that like when they answer the

621
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: question they wished you had asked them. Oh, yeah, we're

622
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: talking about that you actually asked. That's in politics. And

623
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: then another one is watch how for anonymous sources. Uh,

624
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: They're they're quite successful. Anonymous source is like one of

625
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: the most prolifically quoted, uh sources in all of Media's

626
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: unfortunately because it works both ways, because a lot of

627
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: times you have the need for anonymous sources because people

628
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: in government, if they don't stay anonymous, they'll get like,

629
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, totally ruined. So it's hard, right, That's the

630
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: That's another hard part about like do you trust anonymous sources.

631
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: I feel like if people are just constantly using anonymous

632
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: source is than maybe it's a little suspect sources journalists.

633
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: But also there's probably there's seven There are more than

634
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: seven point eight billion people in the world. It is

635
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: not impossible that there is like one guy whose government

636
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: name is anonymous sources and his life must be such

637
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: a hassle. An anonymous source told me we might take

638
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: some questions. Do you guys want to do that? Actually? Hey,

639
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Speaker 1: so I can keep not asking you guys questions, um,

640
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Speaker 1: and letting you talk forever, or we can open up

641
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: the floor and see if y'all want to let them

642
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: talk for does does anyone does anyone out here have Okay,

643
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: I'll bring the microphone to you, guys. Everybody can hear

644
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: every So that's John. That's give it up, guys, and

645
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: your most discinct manic could really quickly paraphrase what they say.

646
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: Because we're broadcasting. This sure not the long question, long question,

647
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure it's going to go. I had

648
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Speaker 1: two questions, but I'll keep it to one. UM. I

649
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: actually really wanted to hear your guys feedback on the

650
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: movie Utopia. I don't know if you have seen it

651
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: or not. The movie Utopia, Utopia, Utopia. I love it.

652
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: The prefer the British version very much. So the question,

653
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: since we're live, I got your shown. So the question

654
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: is what do you guys think about the series Utopia,

655
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: which is a yeah, a dear near future sci fi series.

656
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: UM spoiler alert, here be spoilers regarding a vaccination program

657
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: that will lead to a radical, malenthusiant approach to population control. Right,

658
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: So that's phrasing the question. I dug it, I dug

659
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: it honestly, I don't. I mean just organizationally, the human

660
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: species has a tough time with like twelve people deciding

661
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: a verdict or six people ordering pizza. So that level

662
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: of cooperation on a global scale is a tall milk

663
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: shake for what's going right now. Some of the issues

664
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: people have with me man data to get a vaccine

665
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: or do anything, or share medical history and all of

666
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it's interesting in that respect for sure.

667
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: What is going on over there? Somebody's singing, Oh we

668
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: sing over here too. Sorry, that's mass opinion on utopia, folks. Yeah,

669
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, Utopia freaked me the heck out, and it

670
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: was the British versions too, because I'd known about that

671
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: for a while and was aware of everything as it

672
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: started happening in real life. The only thing that makes

673
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: me happy is that there are so many different companies

674
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: vuying to make a vaccine that I don't think all

675
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: of them would be working together to uh, you know,

676
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: sterilize me personally. It's nothing about conspiracy theories, right with Like,

677
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: when it's it gets so complex like that, what are

678
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: the chances that you're going to have that level of

679
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: cooperation among competing entities? Kind of you know what, but

680
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: you never know. Well, I'm just saying, like, what if everybody,

681
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: what if we all had a pizza party and we

682
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: all had to fit thro out what? I think that's

683
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: a great idea. I think we do that next year.

684
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: But yes, how about read if we redefines the same thing?

685
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Thank you? Alright, they're in answer as well. So you

686
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: guys mentioned earlier about you know, questioning media, and obviously

687
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: that's something that's going on in our world right now,

688
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: and everyone's got their different barometer knowing that you know,

689
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: every organization has funding behind it, right, no one is

690
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: absolutely pure. Where do you draw your own line in

691
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: what you absolutely believe to be true versus or you

692
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: have to take with a grain of salt? So the

693
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: question is where do we draw the line between what

694
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: sources I would sources we take to be true versus

695
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: sources with a grain of salt. Um, I think all

696
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: three of us are adding salt to every source, honestly,

697
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: because there there's always some kind of agenda, even if

698
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: that agenda is phrased as uh we are. Agenda is

699
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: to be as objective as possible, like you'll see, like, um,

700
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: I'll say it, when is the Washington Post gonna say

701
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: something bad about Jeff Bezos now that he owns it.

702
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's an interesting question. It's I mean, and

703
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, the company that we make podcasts for is

704
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: a giant company. But we can honestly say we are

705
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: never told what to talk about or not talk about,

706
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: or or given parameters around what we should do ever

707
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: our bosses in the crowd, and and we're also allowed

708
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: to you know, read ads for any company that comes

709
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: our way, and we don't have to say no ever.

710
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of just how we do our thing.

711
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: And people criticize us for that, but we don't have

712
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: to say yes. We don't have to say yes. We

713
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: don't have to say no, we can we get to

714
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: decide and we just say yes because we're we think

715
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: it's hilarious that we're a conspiracy show and McDonald's is like,

716
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: here's some money, and we're like, okay, we're going to

717
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: do an episode on you. But okay, but yeah, yeah,

718
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: you have to think that way. Um. But no, but really,

719
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: every every source, um, it's tough. It's really really tough. Uh.

720
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: The The only good thing is that there are still

721
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: journalists in this world that have integrity that work for

722
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: companies that seem to have integrity, and you know, you

723
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: can only assume that they do because there's an editorial

724
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: process and there are people who will get in major

725
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: trouble if that process isn't followed. And it's like, even

726
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: if NPR isn't even beyond reproach, they had some weird

727
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: political nastiness that was going on behind the scenes there.

728
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a level system or Um, what

729
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: what do you say? We use a barometer for as

730
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is for every single thing in

731
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: any given moment, and it's I think we're failing the

732
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: definition of succinct. But real, real, real quick. Just always

733
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: reconflicting sources. Find one that argues for, find one that

734
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: argues against. Triangulate that's your best bet. So I know,

735
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: it's really easy to be cynical right now in terms

736
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: of like the course of the next five to ten

737
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: to fifteen years. Um, do you guys feel, Because the

738
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: point that I would make is is, I I find

739
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm almost I'm almost thirty, and I find kids that

740
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: are in high school and growing up are like already

741
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: being grown with with phones in their hand and maybe

742
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: hopefully they're getting a better understanding of like what's bull

743
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: from the web versus what is and so do you

744
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: guys find over the course from a generational point of

745
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: view over the next ten years, like are we just

746
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: or do you think that there's going to be a

747
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: point at which we go like, oh, like we've been

748
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: in this for so long now that we we kind

749
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: of have at least a better barometer of what's what's

750
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: good and what isn't. So, so, the question is, are

751
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: people who are growing up native to a digital environment? Uh?

752
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: Are they? Uh? So? The so uh? The answer is

753
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: the magic a ball answer is it's it's unclear. It's

754
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: tough to tell their parents are a part of it

755
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: because there's a discrepancy between the parents. Um, like you

756
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: grew up when the inter the handheld internet was already

757
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. And then also, uh, legislation lags

758
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: so far behind innovation, and it's a delay. And that's

759
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: what That's what I would say. It does feel cliche

760
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: to say it's on the parents, but it's on the

761
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: It is on the community. As as a parent of

762
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: a twelve year old, you know who is absolutely glued

763
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: to her her device, Mainly, I think it's cool that

764
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: the stuff that she learns and the stuff that she

765
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: gathers from the Internet, she is the curator of her

766
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: own experience. I do not feel like she's being sold

767
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: a bill of goods with the stuff that she's experience

768
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: that she's interacting with on the Internet. That that's just

769
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: my part. I mean, I think there's too much information

770
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: out there, and it can make things confusing, It can

771
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: make things feel overwhelming at times. The sheer volume of

772
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: that accessed information that kids have these days, I think

773
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: can be anxiety inducing. But I think they're smart and

774
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: if their parents are honest and open you know, about it,

775
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: then I think they can navigate it um and it's

776
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: easier for them to discern truth from fiction most of

777
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: the time. In my opinion my experiences, I unfortunately am

778
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: on that pessimism path. Uh, it's gonna get worse until

779
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: the singularity and and you know then, well see what

780
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: happens at that point and is being funny here? Not really? Nope? Hello,

781
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: So talking about you know, conflicting information, seeing things from

782
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: so many different angles, do you ever just feel so

783
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: frustrated by it and want to throw in the towel

784
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: and say I'm never going to know the truth because

785
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: I find myself in that a lot. And so I'm

786
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: wondering what you guys think. I'm gonna be candid. The

787
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: question is do you ever get so yeah, we're Do

788
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: you ever get so frustrated with trying to get through

789
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: the noise right and find like some sources purposely obstuc

790
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: you hate themselves and sound as though they're legit journalism,

791
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: but it turns out no, no, they're not. Um I

792
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: will I will say honestly, there are times when I

793
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: go to these guys or whomever is unfortunate enough to

794
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: be in the room with me and say this, this

795
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: is this is a Gordon knot and I'm not sure

796
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: like we can it cut it in half? We have to.

797
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: In that case, what I do is I try to

798
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: specify or constrain, like what I can find, what I

799
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: can quantify, and what I can verify or disprove. Uh.

800
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: That's that's my approach. And it doesn't solve the whole

801
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't solve the whole horizon there, but you do

802
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: what you can. I haven't thrown in the towel yet,

803
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: but what day is it? I don't. Well, I think

804
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: we're okay. I know. Yeah, A little bit of positivity

805
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: goes a long way, and specificity, as Ben said, is

806
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: the way to go. If you're ever feeling super overwhelmed,

807
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: do you have a particular issue or case where you

808
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: feel that way about where you really are? Like, I

809
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: don't know, Um, there there are So the question is

810
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: follow up, do we ever run into something where we genuinely,

811
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: genuinely encounter that head against the wall moments? Why did

812
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: I get involved in the show? I could have been

813
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: a lawyer kind of things like like the the answer

814
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody, but I know some of

815
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: the answers for us are gonna be things that are bigger,

816
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: uh sometimes bigger, more abstract questions like uh, you know

817
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: is the universal simulation that is? That's super fun to

818
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: talk about at three in the morning, but like how

819
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: do you how do you prove it? And then how

820
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: and then what do you do with that knowledge? Um?

821
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: There are other things that are um. Sadly, there are

822
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are lost to history, and

823
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: with that because there are brilliant people working around the

824
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: clock to find more primary sources to dig into stories

825
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: that sometimes uh, people don't want told. Then we we

826
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: have to be ready for new information. We always have

827
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: to be ready to change our minds. Uh So, I

828
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: would say universe is a simulation that's a trippy one.

829
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I would say there are some scary future based things

830
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: that we just we don't want to be alarmist about,

831
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: but we can't really guess at you know, um and

832
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: those those are tough because they become thought experiments and

833
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: just have to try to make sure you're doing your

834
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: best and you're being transparent when you know that that

835
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: is itself an experimental endeavor to guess what the world

836
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: will be like two hund and fifty years from now,

837
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, can't can't tell your mind. It's the whole

838
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: U a p UFO thing because there's so much purposeful

839
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: disinformation that's been released over all these decades since the

840
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: nineteen forties by the government to cover up the you know,

841
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: the experiments that they're doing on on craft and the

842
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: secret stuff that they have to have a technological advantage

843
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: over other countries. And it's really hard to know what

844
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: is that, like, what part of it is just that

845
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: still happening now in and how much of it is

846
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: actually something that we cannot confirm, And why is the

847
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: Navy telling me that it's real? And how much money

848
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: do we pay the government to just throw up its

849
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: hands and say like, well, I don't know how it's

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars that went missing in a rock. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing. Well, unfortunately, guys, that's our time. Um,

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Speaker 1: thank you all for being here, Thank you all for

853
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Speaker 1: being here so much. Thank you so much, everybody. Thanks Lauren,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Lauren bo bo okay. And now we're out of

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Speaker 1: the live the live show, the panel. We hope that

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. We're still in We're in the other

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Speaker 1: part of the show. This is the other like mutrol

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Speaker 1: of this show. This is the outro, right, we're on

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Speaker 1: the outro of this guy's the time flew by again. Wow, man,

860
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Speaker 1: my dog is trying to get my attention. That's how

861
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Speaker 1: you can tell this is the real world. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I give now that you've heard all of that. There

863
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Speaker 1: there were so many great questions there at the end.

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Speaker 1: We wonder what you think about those questions that were asked.

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Speaker 1: I cannot recall them all in this moment, as we

866
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Speaker 1: are fully meta at this point. But you know, we'd

867
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Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts on anything we discussed or

868
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Speaker 1: especially those questions at the end. Yeah, there is one note.

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Speaker 1: There's a part there where we talk about the fact

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Speaker 1: that there are no coca fields in the mainland United

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Speaker 1: States in the in the Continental forty eight. There is

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Speaker 1: one company that's legally allowed to manufacture and sell pharmaceutical

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Speaker 1: grade cocaine. They're located in New Jersey, and that was

874
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Speaker 1: the fact that stuck with me that I felt like

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Speaker 1: we should have pointed out on the ship. And they

876
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Speaker 1: are pharmaceutical related very much. So. Yeah, because there's always

877
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Speaker 1: an exception if you if you uh have access to

878
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Speaker 1: the right pockets to grease. I mention grease and pockets.

879
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Speaker 1: What do the problems think just tossing onion rings in

880
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: those pockets? That's what I do. Well, you say, I

881
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Speaker 1: got to save it for later, and you know, I

882
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: mean it pocket snacks those I you know what, I

883
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: have no judgment when I love it when I see

884
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: and when casually pull out like an odd piece of

885
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: food or sustenance, you know, and they and they just

886
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: start eating it in public. Like I I love it

887
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: when I see someone who's like, oh, I just got

888
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Speaker 1: an apple in my pocket. I always think, like, I

889
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like there's something wholesome about it. Yeah,

890
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: but it's seriously like an onion ring, like a fully

891
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: large onion ring. Is it Is it fresh? Is it

892
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: like it's been in the pocket for a minute, It's

893
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: been in there for a while. It wasn't it. You know,

894
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Speaker 1: it was anticipated that it would be consumed much faster

895
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Speaker 1: than it was. It reminds me of I went to

896
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Speaker 1: a movie theater um for the first time in a

897
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: long time to see the Anthony Bourdain documentary and I

898
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: saw a guy take out what I believed to be

899
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: a burrito, like before the lights went down. He had

900
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: clearly gotten this burrito and had did the pocket move

901
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: and get it out, and we got to do it.

902
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, remember, reminder reminds me of that.

903
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: I think you should leave sketch or he's got a

904
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: hot dog hidden in his sleeve. Yeah, yeah, And uh,

905
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: and we were not eating on stage. We were trying

906
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: to be professional. Uh. But I hope you enjoyed it

907
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: and can't wait to do more live things in the future.

908
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can Hopefully we can talk doc and mission

909
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: Control and A and a couple other folks compatriots into

910
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Speaker 1: joining us. What do you think, guys, think we'll ever

911
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: go on tour again? Oh my god, yes, I mean

912
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we're entering another kind of watch out

913
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: stage right now with all this Delta business. But hopefully

914
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: the next kind of Delta will be involved and will

915
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: be Delta Airlines. Baby. So so let us let us

916
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: know your questions that you wished were asked at the panel.

917
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts on the concept of conspiracy

918
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: in a so called post truth world. As always, we

919
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: cannot wait to hear from you. Um. We'll also tell

920
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Speaker 1: us the weirdest stuff you've ever stuck into a movie theater.

921
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: It's just just interesting. We'd just like to know Charlie

922
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Speaker 1: Charlie day On always sunny, spaghetti in a bag that's sunny,

923
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: that's unacceptable, the squishiness, and this this the smells. No,

924
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: that's not that's four jbc's. It's a junior bacon cheeseburger,

925
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: a junior bacon cheese because when you're that deep in

926
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: the JBC game, you don't have time to say the

927
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Speaker 1: whole name. That's right, man, No frosties. This time, But

928
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Speaker 1: that was that was my favorite one that I've ever done.

929
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Speaker 1: I like to sneak those little um kind of like

930
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: cheese sticks wrapped in gobba gool You know you ever

931
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: seen those? They come, then they come shrink wrapped so

932
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: there they don't smell, and then you know, you just

933
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: pound those suckers. So that's pepperoni. Uh I. I used

934
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: to do lunchables, I'll be honest, all right's lassie? Yeah,

935
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: once you go to lunchable ben real quick, like a

936
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Speaker 1: little what's you go to lunchable? Do you like the

937
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: little weird cold pizzas? Those were always very strange to me. Yeah,

938
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Speaker 1: the pizza, I think it was more of a novelty

939
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: for people. You know, kids love them, kids love them.

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00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: I just don't like the idea of cold tomato sauce.

941
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Speaker 1: It makes me kind of puke in my mouth a

942
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: little bit scross. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a

943
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: weird thing. But you know what, let's let us know

944
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: what what do you sneak into movie theaters? Uh? All today?

945
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: What have you been like slowly learning to uh make

946
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: rotisserie chicken at home? And you're like, as soon as

947
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: I go to see a movie. I'm bringing the chicken

948
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: with me because because if you're out there, you are

949
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: a legend. Well, if you're out there, we want to

950
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: hear from you. You can find us on the internet.

951
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: Catch us on the usual internet places of note. We

952
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: are conspiracy Stuff on Facebook, YouTube and Twitter, Conspiracy Stuff

953
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Speaker 1: show on Instagram. Yes, and we have a phone number.

954
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,360
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955
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