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Speaker 1: Jake, are you a you a morning person? Hew? Do

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Speaker 2: I really, I really think it's like real important to

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a real bottle for me, To be

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Speaker 1: You, I'm exactly the opposite. I hate getting up, Like

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Speaker 1: twelve forty five is kind of a normal time for

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Speaker 1: me to wake up, Like, oh oh, I love that shit.

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Speaker 1: Then I just get to stay.

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Speaker 2: I'm depressed if I get up late.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. Well, I am always depressed, so

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Speaker 1: that might be something to that.

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Speaker 3: I'm opening it this long times people like ask me

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Speaker 3: something to ask Robert. I'm like, he will not be

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Speaker 3: awake for at least four hours. I don't know. You

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Speaker 3: for me, like you will not be you would late?

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Speaker 1: Right? Uh? Huh? I did. I woke up at eight

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Speaker 1: am this morning actually recording, and then I was like,

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Speaker 1: to sleep until right before this recording started and woke

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Speaker 3: Shit, that sounds like just your life voices.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it sure was. Uh, Sophie, why did you make

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Speaker 1: me get up this early? Huh uh?

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Speaker 3: Jake, doesn't live in our time zone, and it seems

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Speaker 3: fokay okay to make somebody record a podcast in the

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Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about conspiracy theorists today. It seems

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Speaker 1: like kind of a conspiracy to suggest that the time

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Speaker 1: you're son.

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Speaker 2: You should stick through, like you guys should follow real

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Speaker 2: time British time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, isn't it? Isn't it Greenwich meantime? Is that

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Speaker 1: what you guys use? Right?

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Speaker 2: We just call it real time, just real time, just

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Speaker 2: the actual the time, as opposed to fight American time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, our time zones are fucking nonsense. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like I don't know using inches? But wait, do

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Speaker 1: you guys use inches? Are you? I always forget how

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Speaker 2: Do you know what we use everything? It's weird. Use

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Speaker 2: all of them, right, depending on what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, like people give America shit because we like

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Speaker 1: picked the one thing that no one else basically uses.

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Speaker 1: But you guys picked like both of them, which is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, love it. Were a stupid place,

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Speaker 4: really everyone is. This is behind the bastards A podcast

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Speaker 4: about the stupid place that is the world and the

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Speaker 4: terrible people who make it worse. I guess Jake ready

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Speaker 4: to get back to talking about Julius Striker. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So again as we left off, he is he's kind

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Speaker 4: of people in the German writer like, maybe this guy's

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Speaker 4: are Messiah, you know, maybe he's the dude who's gonna

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Speaker 4: bring us back to greatness and then convince us to

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Speaker 1: Whatever. That's what That's what people are saying about Striker

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Speaker 1: and about Hitler, and Striker is part of this kind

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Speaker 1: of like anti Semitic, you know, u in or Ober

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Speaker 1: aka de Nazis so win, Striker joins this organization run

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Speaker 1: by his buddy Dikele. He takes the newspaper that he

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Speaker 1: which I think just means German people's will. And he

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Speaker 1: Often these crimes are complete Generally these crimes are completely

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Speaker 1: This tiny amount of pressure from the government, though, winds

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Speaker 1: Not only is he he's like, I'm being prosecuted, persecuted,

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Speaker 1: so it brings this helps to bring him more followers,

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Speaker 1: Several thousand Burgers show up to listen to Striker give

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Speaker 1: and also the French you're involved. And a huge amount

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Speaker 1: And that's a big part of what Striker is going

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Speaker 1: they sometimes give themselves to the Orientals. When a Negro

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Speaker 1: That's occupied under the Treaty of Versailles by French troops

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly everywhere you have soldiers stationed in a foreign country,

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Speaker 1: this is part of a Jewish plot to like water

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Speaker 1: Julius in a bit of a pickle. He needs an organization, right,

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Speaker 1: He's not anything without sort of like he's got like

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Speaker 1: working towards taking power, and his paper at this point

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Speaker 1: we sort of like fishing around who's going to take me?

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Speaker 1: Who wants Julius, you know, who's who's willing to have

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Speaker 1: Now they're still in the process of doing this merger

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Speaker 1: here's all this shit about like Julius Striker all this

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Speaker 1: But then this is really interesting. Striker doesn't get along

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Speaker 1: And when Hitler gets this letter filled with dirt on Striker,

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Speaker 1: And we don't really know why. But in addition to

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to give him, you know, my full faith

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Speaker 1: and support. We don't fully know why he makes this call,

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Speaker 1: but in May of nineteen twenty two, he publishes an

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Speaker 1: right this, You know, in America, the statistically here quoted

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Speaker 1: What it is is that, Yeah, there's like four or

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not it's reports of kids going missing, which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think the thing is

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Speaker 2: one child going missing is a total tragedy. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, it's it's so hates you right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and who knows why these one hundred kids go missing? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not like an epidemic. But each of those cases,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a bunch of different reasons. Striker is

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Speaker 1: it's the Jews that are doing it, whereas I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it's a mix of you know, kids falling down wells,

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Speaker 1: if you sort of can blame it on a specific

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00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: group of people, you can make a lot of political heay,

432
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: And so anyway, that's working well for him, and he

433
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: learns from his time getting arrested for this and like

434
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: the fact that again getting fucked with by the court

435
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: a little bit getting this fine, it doesn't really disrupt

436
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 1: his ability to organize. You know, the party pays the fine,

437
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: but it helps him build support and he also like

438
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, this strikes such a nerve.

439
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: The reason why he gets prosecuted for this is because

440
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 1: it works. It gets a lot of people reading his paper,

441
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: because people are interested when you claim that there's some

442
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: conspiracy against their children, right, Like, it's just a thing

443
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: people inherently pay attention to, and whatever punishment the state's

444
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: going to give you for lying about this stuff is

445
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: a lot less of an issue than like the benefit

446
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: you get from making this a center of your politics.

447
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: So Dare Sturmer becomes a runaway hit, and in fact

448
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: it's so successful that Maximon, who's the leader of the

449
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: Nazi Party's press wing, asks him to stop publishing it

450
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: because it's taking business away from the Nazi Party paper.

451
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: Now Strikers not is going to ignore him, and it's

452
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: going to wind up being good for the Nazis that

453
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: he does ignore him. In these early days, dere Sturmer

454
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: is it's not as the full sized newspaper's going to become.

455
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a pamphlet right now, it's usually

456
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: about four pages long, and so you know, it's building

457
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: a name for itself. And then in nineteen twenty three,

458
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: our boy Hitler has his Munich beer Hall putch, right,

459
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: tries to take over the Government's not.

460
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Speaker 3: With our boy Hitler.

461
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, sure, Sophie a friend of the pod Adolph,

462
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: So no, he does his Pusch. It doesn't go well.

463
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people get shot, and strikers a part

464
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: of that, right, he's one of what the Nazis are

465
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: going to call the old fighters, you know. So he

466
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Speaker 1: he's in the Puch. He doesn't get killed, but he

467
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Speaker 1: does get arrested. He does a couple of months, you know,

468
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: in prison, so not that bad a sentence. Hitler's more

469
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 1: like a year. And he gets out afterwards and he

470
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: starts printing dere Sturmer and the Pusch. There's a couple

471
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: of things that have happened here. For one, the Nazi

472
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: Party has been temporarily banned. So suddenly this Nazi newspaper that,

473
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: like folks in the party, had been frustrated because darre

474
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: Sturmer was distracting attention from it. It can't publish anymore.

475
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: But dar Sturmer is not a Nazi newspaper. It Striker's paper,

476
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: so he can keep publishing it during this period in

477
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: which the party is kind of technically banned. The other

478
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: thing that's happened here is that the court case that

479
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: Hitler goes through, right when he's charged with doing this,

480
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: this pusch, as we've talked about in our episode on

481
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: the Munich Beer Hall Putsch, becomes like a media circus

482
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: in Germany, right and everybody. Hitler uses it very effectively

483
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: to spread propaganda. While he's on trial. He's giving these

484
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: speeches about his beliefs and about what he sees is

485
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,239
Speaker 1: necessary for the nation, and it works incredibly well. Like

486
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of political hay out of this,

487
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: and in the wake of it, number One, Hitler's come

488
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: a celebrity across the country as opposed to this kind

489
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Speaker 1: of regional figure. And number two, a lot of Germans

490
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: are now curious about Nazi beliefs and about anti Semitic politics,

491
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: and Striker's paper, which is still publishing, kind of becomes

492
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: the de facto paper for Nazi sympathetic people. During this

493
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: period in which the party is technically banned. By nineteen

494
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: twenty five, it's increased its circulation to the size of

495
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: a normal newspaper with full page advertisements and enough circulation

496
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: to actually like make money. So Striker is now making

497
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Speaker 1: a profit, and in fact, in the near future he's

498
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: going to get rich off of the success of this newspaper.

499
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: So he continues while he starts, this thing starts blowing

500
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Speaker 1: up to push the boundaries of what is considered at

501
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: the time to be sort of acceptable anti Semitic discourse.

502
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: Most mainstream racists in Germany stuck to vague insinuations that

503
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: the Jews are in bed with the French or the socialists,

504
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: or the French socialists and irresponsible for them losing the war, YadA, YadA.

505
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: But you're also starting to get more and more writing

506
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: in the mainstream German press about Nazi racial theory. Right,

507
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: a lot of these high minded articles about ancient Aryans

508
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: start coming out. Now this stuff that existed before World

509
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: War One, you know, as we've talked about, there's all

510
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: these weird little right wing secret societies and vulcish secret

511
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: societies and stuff. But now this starts to get out

512
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: into the mainstream. And Stryker understood that when it came

513
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: to getting people on board with this kind of propaganda.

514
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: One thing worked on getting the attention of regular people

515
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: better than anything else, and that was blood. Right, The

516
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: best way to get people to pay attention to your

517
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: racism was to titillate them with gory stories of violence.

518
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: And speaking of profiting off of titillating people with stories

519
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: of violence. You know what time it is now, Jake?

520
00:26:49,119 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: That's right, Uh, we are back. So I was just

521
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: telling you, Jake again, we're talking about like how modern

522
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: this guy is part of what Striker does to like

523
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: build a career for himself as he kind of gets

524
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: into true crime, right, Like that's that's sort of like

525
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: the thing that he's going. That's the kind of content

526
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: that's going to like help make der Sturmer a big deal.

527
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: That changes everything. Yeah, yeah, exactly, he kind of you know,

528
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound so bad now, No.

529
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Sounds so bad now, I'm scared of serial killers. Sure,

530
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: these aren't actual true crimes, but that's how he like

531
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: frames what he's doing. The first reference to ritual murder

532
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: in dere Sturmer is in nineteen twenty four, and reader

533
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: responses start to roll in, convincing Julius that this is

534
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: a second spring of audience interest. By nineteen twenty six,

535
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: he'd built to focusing an entire issue of dere Sturmer

536
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: on ritual murder, framing it as an investigation into the

537
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: supposed ritual killing by Jews and Breslau. Quote. In Breslau,

538
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: two children, Ottow and Erica Fessi, secretly vanished. They were murdered.

539
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: The corpse pieces were found the same day in a

540
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: tied package in a public place. The search for the

541
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: murderer began. The cloth and corpse pieces, which were packaged,

542
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: became an open showcase in a public window, which drew

543
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: masses of people to come in view. According to the

544
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: author of the article, the body parts had been bled

545
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: before they were package. This and history were enough to

546
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: proclaim it a Jewish ritual murder. Here's striker again, doesn't

547
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: the fact that the body parts were found totally bled

548
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: point to such a Jewish butcher's procedure. Such was the

549
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: report of two of the Silesian newspapers that announced that

550
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: this Breslau child murder sounds as though it is possibly

551
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: a Jewish ritual murder. The Breslau child murder reminds us

552
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: of the Koenitz boy murder that was discovered a few

553
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: decades ago when for no apparent reason, a boy disappeared

554
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: from school. The traces led to a house of Jewish butchers.

555
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: The blood pieces of remains of the boy were also

556
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: found in a public place. This unsolved mystery has been

557
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: brought to the attention of the criminal police. The crime

558
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: was never solved. Now with the disappearance of these children

559
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: in much the same way, should this case also be

560
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: lost in the sand. And again you see what he's

561
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: doing is he's like this case, which we have to

562
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: assume is done by the Jews because we know this

563
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing they do, is the same

564
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: as this other case decades ago where we know that

565
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: a boy was murdered by Jewish people, and of course

566
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: it was never solved, but like we know who it was.

567
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: There's no not ever any evidence here, right, but like

568
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: are there? But you can give the details. Since you

569
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: don't have evidence to actually connect this. What you do

570
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: is you give the details of the murder, right, and

571
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: that gets people at such an agitated state that you

572
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: say and then obviously you know this was done by

573
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: this group of people. And it works very well when

574
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: blood and violence weren't enough, Striker turned to sex. Many

575
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: dere Sturmer articles contained livid descriptions of sexual violence, right,

576
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: And this is generally he'll like have an article about

577
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: some purported client crime by like you know, a non

578
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: white French soldier in the Ruh, or by you know,

579
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: Jewish cabals or whatever, and the purpose is both to

580
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: like get people angry against those groups of people, but

581
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: also he's able to spend paragraphs talking about know lurid

582
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: sexual assault stories and that gets people to buy the

583
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: newspaper because like it's kind of the most accessible pornography

584
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: at the time, right, Yeah, Like yeah, it's messy, but

585
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: like this is like a big part of it's it's

586
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: it's appeal. And in fact, one Nazi German writer who

587
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: hated Striker described dare Stirmer's appeal this way. He wants

588
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: to keep his readers in constant suspense. But what do

589
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: his readers want? Sensation and filth? Striker gives that to them.

590
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: He floods his readers with tastelessness. And who are his readers?

591
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Mostly adolescents who are still wet behind the years thanks

592
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: to Striker's education, Every lattice familiar with homosexuality and prostitution.

593
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: One cannot blame Striker for speaking about these matters. Every

594
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: newspaper today does. The question is how one speaks of them.

595
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: Striker gives them great prominence. May not one be concerned

596
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: when one sees the Stirmer not only in the hands

597
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: of older students, but also in possession of elementary school students.

598
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: And that's interesting because it gels with something Randall bite

599
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: Work says in his biography of Sturmer, which is that

600
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: in the early years of Dere Sturmer, it was kind

601
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: of an analog to Playboy magazine.

602
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 5: Right.

603
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: That was a big part of its appeal to the

604
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: kids who are going to get sort of pilled on

605
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: early Nazi politics. Is that, like you start reading Dear

606
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: Sturmer because it's where you read about like sex, right exactly.

607
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: It's like titillating, you know, and boys will like they'll

608
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: get copies without their parents knowing, and they'll share them

609
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: with each other. They'll like huddle around each other after

610
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: school and like read these like lurid stories of sex

611
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: and violence and whatnot, because like it's kind of where

612
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: you get them. And this I had no idea this

613
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: had gone on because the fascination with this sort of

614
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: thing was so durable that a lot of dere Sturmer's

615
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: early readers are Jewish Germans, who would buy every issue

616
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: and read it cover to cover. Striker would actually jokingly

617
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: thank them for supporting the paper in its early years.

618
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: And while he's not a trustworthy source. Byite Work notes

619
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: that in nineteen twenty five, a Jewish newspaper in Nuremberg complained, quote,

620
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: it is of great concern that the Sturmers very frequently

621
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: read even in Jewish circles. We have found that large

622
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: numbers of citizens of the Jewish faith by the Sturmer

623
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: and then take it home concealed in a copy of

624
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, other newspapers. Thus, Jews directly support the Sturmer.

625
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: So this is like a problem for them, and they're

626
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: supporting it not because they're like secretly you know, into

627
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda, but because like where you read sex stuff, you.

628
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: Know, right, everyone likes smut.

629
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Yep, that is a that is the secret to Striker's brilliance,

630
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: as he understands, like you wrap your racism in some smut,

631
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: you'll get everybody's money, you know. Yeah. Striker was also

632
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: innovative in another way, While most Nazi propagandists, including Hitler,

633
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: saw themselves as like these central powerful figures guiding people

634
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: towards the set of truths, Striker was willing to have

635
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: more of a give and take relationship with his audience. Now,

636
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: part of this was pragmatic and based on something other

637
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: Nazi news paper owners would do, which is that it's

638
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: expensive to hire writers to write articles, right, and like,

639
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, photographs cost too much money to have a

640
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: lot of those. But publishing reader letters is free. Right.

641
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: If you solicit shit from your readers and then publish

642
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: that stuff to a mailbox or whatever, you know, you

643
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: can like get free content for your newspaper without paying

644
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Speaker 1: for it. This is a thing that a lot of

645
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Nazi papers did. Where Striker and der Sturmer differed was that, again,

646
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: they consider this sort of a two way street. So

647
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: when he starts to get a bunch of letters from

648
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: readers who are like talking about a specific conspiracy theory

649
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: they have of you know, so and so doing an

650
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: evil thing, Striker will use that and he'll just sort

651
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: of like write out an investigation, and you know, he

652
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: doesn't actually send anyone to investigate but he'll take these.

653
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: It's Alex Jones does this a lot where he'll like,

654
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: you'll hear one episode he'll get like a caller come

655
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: in and make some sort of claim. In the next episode,

656
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: he's like, I've got sources that say this is going on.

657
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's an easy way to make content, right,

658
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: We'll do it. Sources never right, of course. Yeah. I

659
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: found a fascinating analysis of the letters to dere Sturmer

660
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: and like the different kind of ways they impacted content

661
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: in the Journal of Modern Judaism by Dennis Showalter, and

662
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Showalter notes that dere Stirmer did sometimes publish just letters

663
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: by outright cranks, like you know people. One example he

664
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: gives is, there was this guy who writes a letter

665
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: to Striker about how the Jews stole my business and

666
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: they forced me in an insane asylum. And it's you know,

667
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: it's clearly some dude who just like had a mental

668
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: breakdown and blamed it all on the Jews for whatever reason.

669
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: But the letter, yes, yes, yeah, But letters, these kind

670
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: of letters where it's just like some crank writing out

671
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: of conspiracy theory are kind of rare in terms of

672
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff. He published a much larger number

673
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: of letters where requests for aid either by people claiming,

674
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, I got swindled by a Jewish merchant or something,

675
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: or by people just claiming that they were suffering under

676
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: the Weimar system, which was its self seen as Jewish

677
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: and publishing all of these letters allowed Striker to make

678
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: the case for Nazism in a way that was more

679
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: personal than even a lot of Hitler speeches. The pages

680
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: of dere Strmer became a place where Germans suffering from

681
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: hard times could come to ask for aid. You could

682
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: sort of direct support to people who were suffering through

683
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: the NewsPage was kept people coming in, which built the

684
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: sort of relationship with the And again it's very modern

685
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: to like the way social media works where you're like, oh,

686
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: this guy is kind of politically on our side and

687
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: he needs money for this. We'll do like a fundraiser

688
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: for him, you know. And this also serves as a

689
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: way to like, you know, we can talk about this

690
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: bad thing that happened to him and how it's part

691
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: of the evil that our enemies are doing right right,

692
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: and so dere Stirmer becomes kind of this is how

693
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: it becomes so central a big part of how it

694
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: becomes central to like the growing Nazi movement, and likewise

695
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: Striker is able to use the kind of conversations he's

696
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: having with his readers through these letters to forge Derek

697
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: Stirmer into a sort of weapon that really hadn't existed before.

698
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: And to talk about that, I'm going to quote again

699
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: from Showalter's piece. By far the largest category of letters

700
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: in der Sturmer's files and pages expressed grievances of one

701
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: kind or another. This correspondence could be further subdivided under

702
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: four general headings. The first can be best described as

703
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: undifferentiated anti Semitism, dislike of Jews as Jews. Here's simple

704
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: hatred was less common than hostility based on profound ignorance.

705
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: One rural correspondent described in detail the alleged Jewish practice

706
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: of throwing stones on the graves of their dead while saying,

707
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: greet Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for me, and when you

708
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: see the little carpenter, throw a stone at his head.

709
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: The daughter of another local Nazi was employed by a

710
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: gentile family as lady help until served a meal that

711
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: included ground meat purchased from a Jewish butcher. Years of

712
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: anti Semitic horror stories about Jews deliberately polluting food, especially meat,

713
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: and then selling it to gentiles had their effect. The

714
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: girl refused her dinner, even when her employers mocked her

715
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Volkish prejudices and told her to eat or give notice

716
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: to her proud father. This principled stand is served recognition

717
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: in dar Sturmer and Striker agreed, then that may just

718
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: sound like undifferentiated Nazi propaganda, and it is. But also

719
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: what's happening here is this girl or her dad at least,

720
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: is using dere Stermer to say, Hey, this family, this

721
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: prominent family who hired my daughter, are doing business with

722
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: a Jewish butcher. They're buying his products. And so not

723
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: only does this spread this conspirat that Jews are poising people,

724
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: but it also shames this specific family and kind of

725
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: directs threats against them because darre Sturmer's readership are a

726
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: bunch of asshole Nazis, right, so they hear, oh, this

727
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: family's buying from a Jewish butcher. Let's go fuck with them, right, Let's,

728
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, do some graffiti at their house. Let's like

729
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: mess them up a little bit until they stop. And

730
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: this is a really important point in turning point for

731
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda because one of the first steps on the

732
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: road to genocide anywhere that it exists, but in Nazi

733
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: Germany this particular instance is the exclusion of targeted people

734
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: from daily life life right. Once Hitler takes power, of course,

735
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, they pass a bunch of laws to restrict

736
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Jewish employment, to get them out of public right, so

737
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: that Germans on a daily basis are not making contact

738
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: with Jewish people and thus don't have relationships with them,

739
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, won't stand up to stop the state from

740
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: killing them in other ways. But during the Weimar period,

741
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: Striker is able to push Germans to cut about tens

742
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: of thousands, god knows how many to cut off ties

743
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: with their Jewish neighbors. By using his paper this way,

744
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: readers start basically whenever they see they see it. You know,

745
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: you've got like a German family, you know, or a

746
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: German business that's like not run by racist right, So

747
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we'll sell products that are made by

748
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: this Jewish owned company, or we'll have business with this

749
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: Jewish butcher or whatever you write about to dare stirmer

750
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: about them and then darre Sturmmer says, Hey, this grocery

751
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: store is selling meat from a Jewish butcher. Go pick

752
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: it it, you know, go a spray pant, go break

753
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: their windows, right and some a lot of businesses just

754
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: start to pull back from their deal with Jewish business people,

755
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: with Jewish companies, with Jewish doctors and stuff like you

756
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: know one thing. People will literally get yeah exactly, because

757
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: they don't want to be the subject of this shit.

758
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: Like people will write in letters being like my neighbor

759
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: goes to a Jewish doctor, and then that guy will

760
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: get like fucking egged in the street or like beat

761
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: up by the essay or something. And it pushes people,

762
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: huge numbers of people who are kind of centrists or

763
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: even kind of progressive to cut off ties with their

764
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: Jewish neighbors in a lot of cases because it's so

765
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: dangerous to do so. It's disastrous to your business. You

766
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: can wind up getting very badly hurt as a result

767
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: of it. He is using mass media to direct harassment

768
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: campaigns in order to separate German Jews from other Germans,

769
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: and it works extremely well. Dere Sturmer is a potent weapon,

770
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: and it's a kind of weapon hadn't really existed before

771
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: in this form because like mass media is sort of

772
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: becoming getting born in this period of time.

773
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's good sets off for real chain reaction, right.

774
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I mean variants of this tactic are used

775
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: all around today, right. It just it works really well.

776
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: It's this kind of like when we talk about like

777
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: the negative things about social media and how it can

778
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: like direct harassment campaigns against people who go viral for

779
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: whatever reason. You know, this is an early gasp of that.

780
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's obviously it's more directed. It's less of

781
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: kind of a consequence. It's not a consequence of an

782
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: algorithm or anything, but it is this this understanding of like,

783
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: well you could just like lie to piss off a

784
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: bunch of people at a specific random person, and that

785
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: will change their behavior in a way that might benefit

786
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: me politically.

787
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean it's a kind of algorithm, right,

788
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a programmed one that's programmed by not

789
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: on computers, but it's it's like a human algorithm. If

790
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: we can upset this one, then these lot will be

791
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: scared to come here, and as a result, it will

792
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: it will exclude one group from something else. It's very

793
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: much like that now, but just obviously like you said,

794
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: via social media.

795
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: Where yeah, he basically I mean, he's built a kind

796
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: of gun here and he's gonna leave it on the

797
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: table when he gets hung at Nuremberg. But everybody can

798
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: pick that gun up today, right like it's easy to find.

799
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: So the Sturmer becomes a potent weapon. You get these

800
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: lurid stories of violence and sex that draws in readers,

801
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: especially young readers. Who young people, you know, you don't

802
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: have as much sort of impulse control. So when these

803
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: letters come out saying this family or this business is

804
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: doing business with the Jews, there may be more likely

805
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: to go funck shit up, go break stuff. You know.

806
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: It works well and circulation increases during the period this

807
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: like late twenties period, from the tens of thousands to

808
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: the hundreds of thousands, and this makes Julius a very

809
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: wealthy man. As the years go on, the Nazis draw

810
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: ever closer to power, and Striker who is he's generally

811
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: recognized is that he's not a particularly bright guy in

812
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: most things. You know, he's not like a very academic person.

813
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: He's not a guy as a teacher. He wasn't very successful.

814
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: But he's not just. This is not just. He has

815
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: like a degree of kind of like gut instinct as

816
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: a propagandist. But he also pays attention to what works

817
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: and doesn't, and over time he starts to lay out

818
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: a basis, the basis for a theory on how to

819
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: properly deploy propaganda and a Nazi historian who worked with

820
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: him in the thirties described Striker's style this way. Since

821
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: he wanted to capture the masses, he had to write

822
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: it in a way that the masses could understand, and

823
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: a style that was simple and easy to comprehend. He

824
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: had recognized that the way to achieve the greatest effect

825
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: on an audience was through simple sentences. Writing had to

826
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: adopt the style of speaking if it were to have

827
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: a similar effect. Striker wrote in The Sturmer the way

828
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: that he talked. The worker who came home at night

829
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: from the factory was neither willing nor able to read

830
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: intellectual treatises. He was, however, willing to read what interested

831
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: him and what he could understand. Striker therefore took the

832
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: content from daily life and the style from speech. He

833
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: thus gave the Sturmer Its style, a style which many

834
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: intellectuals could not understand, but which fundamentally was nothing but

835
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: the product of his own experience, gained over the years.

836
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that's compelling to me

837
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: about this is that obviously, like you know, liberal and

838
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: leftist intellectuals hate Striker and attack him and often kind

839
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: of don't understand why what he does works. But also

840
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: Nazi intellectuals hate him because they don't. They think he's gross,

841
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: he's boorish, his kind of anti Semitism is really low class,

842
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: whereas theirs, they feel is very intellectual. Hitler a big

843
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: part of what Hitler does is he defends Striker from

844
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: the intellectuals and the Nazi Party who hate him by

845
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: being like, you guys don't get it. This dude has

846
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: a fucking like hotline to the like angrying up the

847
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: blood of sort of like working class Germans. He gets it.

848
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: He gets how to talk to them, and you people

849
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: don't with your like fancy as weird books about Nazi

850
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: race magic, you know, like that's exactly it.

851
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly it, And I mean I hate saying it.

852
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: Like Hitler was clever in that regard. Like he. But

853
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: the irony is that Striker's version of anti Semitism is

854
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: way more honest. It's awful, but it's way more honest

855
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: because the intellectuals are as disgusting as Striker. He's just

856
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: saying it without the without the window dressing, you know.

857
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not making I'm not making like a moral

858
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: difference between these guys, for sure, but.

859
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, it's it's ironic that they would

860
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: look down on Striker when they're the exact same people.

861
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, like he'll lie about, you know, crimes and

862
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: stuff that he claims people committed, but when it comes

863
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: to the meaning of his hate, he's very honest. Yeah.

864
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: So Striker's sentences when he writes them in the Discernment

865
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: are short. He keeps you know, he's very focused into

866
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: the point. He uses simple words when he makes a

867
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: report and a big thing thing from his When he

868
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: makes a point, he repeats it over and over again

869
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: for months or even years each issue. There's never any

870
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: new arguments, right, Every argument you're gonna get from Striker

871
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: is laid out in the first, you know, issue of

872
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: Dear Stirmer. But every issue brings more pieces of evidence

873
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: to support these arguments, right, and the central argument is

874
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: that the Jews are a threat to German life. The

875
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: line that he uses over and over again is the

876
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Jews are our misfortune, right, which becomes one of the

877
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: most iconic pieces of anti Semitic Nazi propaganda. Right. Yeah.

878
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: In the mid nineteen twenties, Striker adds cartoons to dear

879
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: Stirmer he had become. This is another area in which

880
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: he's a trailblazer because he's become a fan over the

881
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: period of making this of a racist cartoonist named Philippe

882
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: Rupricht who wrote racist cartoons under the pseudonym Phipps, and

883
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: Striker is like the first Nazi dude to realize, like, hey,

884
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what everyone loves is a cartoon.

885
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: This is a great way to dispread our propaganda. Phipps

886
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: is interesting because he was initially just like a cartoonist

887
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: who happened to be a racist. And so he gets

888
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: hired by a social Democratic paper to show up at

889
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: a Striker speech and draw a caricature of Striker, right

890
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: for this newspaper that doesn't like him. But Phipps kind

891
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: of falls in love with Striker. And instead draws caricatures

892
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: of that mayor I talked about Lupa and a prominent

893
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: Jewish citizen who's got like beef with Striker, and he

894
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: instead of like doing the thing he'd been paid to,

895
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: he goes to Striker and he's like, hey, man, I

896
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: got paid to draw you, but instead I did these

897
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: caricatures of these guys you hate. Will you publish them

898
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: in Dear Sturmer? Striker does, and over the next eight years,

899
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: Phipps's anti Semitic caricatures became the standard German visual shorthand

900
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: for like identifying a public figure as Jewish. Michael D. Bulmosch,

901
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: whose family collection of Holocaust related propaganda is hosted by

902
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 1: Kenyan University, describes the impact of Phipps's drawings this way.

903
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: These grotesque, often pornographic cartoons of Jewish stereotypes accompanied the

904
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: propaganda Striker disseminated, saturating the consciousness of Germans during the

905
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: Third Reich and contributing to the capacity of many Germans

906
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: to accept the Nazi program. These drawings often ended with

907
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: the statement the Jewish our misfortune, and without a solution

908
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: to the Jewish question, there was no salvation for mankind. Now,

909
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to have Sophie show you one of these cartoons,

910
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: and we're not going to post any of this shit

911
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: on the internet, because, by god, there's enough of it.

912
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: But like, what's going on in this cartoon you're looking at.

913
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: It shows like a Jewish butcher with his wife behind him.

914
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: They are both drawn uncharitably, and he is putting rats

915
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: in an organ grinder in order to make meat to

916
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: sell to Christians. Right, specifically, sort of conspiracy theories against

917
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: Jewish butchers are a big part of the thing that

918
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Striker is pushing because it makes people feel like they're

919
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: personally threatened. You know, it's a way to kind of

920
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: force them out of society. So you know, yeah, you

921
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: can see sort of like the visual shorthand that he's

922
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: developing here.

923
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: It's really like the archetypal like anti Summit, yes, yes,

924
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: style if you like.

925
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the modern sort of racist caricatures in

926
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: this vein are descendants of Phipps's drum. Yeah, yeah, pretty common.

927
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to hidden knowledge, right.

928
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly, But you know the only way to

929
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: get hidden knowledge Jake buying something that's right, that's right,

930
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, exactly. When you purchase something that you

931
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: don't want, it creates a gnostic info path in which,

932
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, the demi urge will beam a secret truth

933
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: into your head. Because you've subscribed to Blue Apron's meal

934
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: box plane.

935
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: Everyone's saying it.

936
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: Everyone's saying it. Ah, we're back here, so good stuff here.

937
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: So yeah. By nineteen thirty three, dere Sturmer is a

938
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: the most popular newspapers in Germany. There's more than half

939
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: a million sales each month. You know, they're doing great.

940
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: Hitler's in power, and he holds a big celebration rally

941
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: in Nuremberg, which is against Striker's city. Right, That's where

942
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: the base of his power has always been, the early

943
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: years of political legitimacy, you know, because the thirties before

944
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: Hitler kind of has made chancellor, the early thirties is

945
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: when they're starting to get in to the Reichstag and whatnot.

946
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: This has been good for not just Striker but other

947
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: Nazi big wigs, and they'd started to get both rich

948
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: and like literally physically overweight, right because they're not fighting

949
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: in the streets so much. They've all gotten older and

950
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: now they have money for like nice food, and alcohol.

951
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: And I bring this up because so you look at

952
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: like iconic footage of Nazi rallies, have you noticed that

953
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: a lot of them are at night, right, these big

954
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: torchlit rallies. I had always assumed that like that was

955
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: just because oh, torches are like impressive visually, like it

956
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: makes it look kind of like more serious and whatnot.

957
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: But the reason why this first big Nuremberg rally is

958
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: done like in torchlit style is because Hitler's like angry

959
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: at the fact that all of his old fighters have

960
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 1: gotten fat and he doesn't want their bellies to show.

961
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: So he's like, we got it, we gotta do this

962
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: at night so nobody sees. We don't want him to

963
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: look at harm and garritt. Yeah, it's really it's kind

964
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: of funny if you can, you know, not think about

965
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: what comes later a little bit. But yeah, So while

966
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: most of the old fighters straight away took offices in

967
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: Germany and set to work dismantling Weimar, Striker remains at

968
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: his paper right, he doesn't a lot. Basically, all of

969
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: the other guys who had been that tight with Hitler

970
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: for that long get jobs in the government. Even if

971
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: that job they're not really doing anything. It's just sort

972
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: of like, well, now you can get money and like

973
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: take bribes and stuff. They get gigs in the state.

974
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: Striker doesn't do that, and I think it's probably because

975
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: Hitler and everyone knows, like, I know, you like this

976
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: guy will take care of him, but like he can't

977
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: work in the government. Likes he's just not that kind

978
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: of person. He's not able to function within a bureaucracy.

979
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: You know, he's a useful propagandist, but he's just too

980
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: thorny to like function in a system like that. So

981
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: they give him kind of this sort of like the

982
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: prize that they give him that allows him to exist

983
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: outside of the state apparatus. He's made Gaulighter for Franconia,

984
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: which is the region that Nuremberg is in, and Galllighter

985
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: is a party position, so it's not part of the government.

986
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: It's part of the Nazi party and it's effectively like

987
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: the head of a state party. Right, Like you think

988
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: about Gaulight, I know it's nonsense, nonsense language, and hey,

989
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't feel any better about France coming for you

990
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: next when we do the Napoleon episodes. So Galllighter is like, yeah,

991
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: it's it's you think about, like in the United States,

992
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: you've got like the Republican Party of Texas or the

993
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party of Wyoming or whatever, they're going to

994
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: have like a person who is running the party for

995
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: that state. That's what the Gawlighter is. But because the

996
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: Nazis have taken control of the state and are sort

997
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: of in the process thirty three thirty four to thirty

998
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: five of like eating the state apparatus, being the head

999
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: of the party for Franconia puts him in functional control

1000
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: over the government of the region, but he's not actually

1001
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: responsible for anything, so he can step in anywhere. He

1002
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: could tell the mayor what to do, you can tell

1003
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: the governor what to do. He can like, you know,

1004
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: force his will anywhere in Franconia he wants. But he

1005
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: also doesn't have to do anything, so he's not like

1006
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: managing the sewers. But if there's a way for him

1007
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: to like get money out of like the sewers, he

1008
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: could do that. You know. It's kind of a perfect

1009
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: position for a gangster type dude to be in, right

1010
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: because you don't actually have to accomplish anything for people,

1011
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: but you can take advantage whenever it sort of occurs

1012
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: to you, how you can do that? It's a sweet gig.

1013
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: But as Biteworking explains, yeah, yeah, exactly. But as his

1014
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: biographer bite Work explains, even this sweetheart gig is not

1015
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: something that Julie is as well suited to handle. Just

1016
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: as he had been a poor soldier off the battlefield

1017
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: and a good one on it, he was better at

1018
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: fighting for political power than he wasn't using it. Indeed,

1019
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: the almost absolute power of a gau Lighter of the

1020
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Third Reich exacerbated the flaws in his personality. He could

1021
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: not tolerate the orders of others, nor would he tolerate

1022
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: disobedience on the path of his subordinates. And Randall goes

1023
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: on to cite the analysis of a historian named Edward Preston,

1024
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: which I find interesting, if slightly questionable in phrasing. Probably

1025
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: more so than any of his peers, Striker combined the

1026
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: elements of a dictator who would brook no opposition with

1027
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: those of the anarchist, the lover of chaos, who would

1028
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: accept no orders from superiors. This inability to fit into

1029
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: an organization, even his own, was his greatest weakness as Gaulighter.

1030
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: His lack of control made him enemies above, such as

1031
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: Gerring and Himmler, who and drove honorable men out of

1032
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: his organization below, leaving miserable toadies who had to crawl

1033
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: at his feet. There was constant turmoil in Franconia because

1034
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: there was constant turmoil in Striker. So he's he's given

1035
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: this gig, which is like his reward for being loyal,

1036
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: but he's like bad and he's fucking up. He's not

1037
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: just bad at it, but he's like fucking up the

1038
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: ability of the government to function in this This is

1039
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: a pretty crucial period for the Nazis, really, especially thirty

1040
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: three to thirty sixths or so. They're not it's not

1041
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: guaranteed that they're going to hold onto absolute power. The

1042
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: military doesn't really like them. They're in the process of

1043
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: replacing the police, right, there's still a chance that they

1044
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: could get like pushed out at this stage. So they

1045
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: don't want a guy like Striker just like fucking around

1046
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: in the local government and being incompetent. It's like bad

1047
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: for them, you know.

1048
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't want a live wire, yeahime of everyone

1049
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: needing to play.

1050
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Booll exactly exactly. This is like a really critical period

1051
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: and it's recognized that he was. He's a very reliable propagandist.

1052
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: He's not reliable here. So you know, the big reason

1053
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: why he gets into trouble then is not that like

1054
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: he's you know, a gangster, because they all are. It's

1055
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: that he's bad at being a gangster. You know. He

1056
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: after he chases his nemesis, the mayor out of job,

1057
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 1: the out of the job, he replaces him with a toady,

1058
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: like a guy who's supposed to you know, suck up

1059
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: to him, but like that guy isn't very good at

1060
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: his job and also doesn't work with Striker well because

1061
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: basically no one does. And the police chiefs that Himmler

1062
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: appoints in Franconia they also hate Striker because he's like

1063
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: super corrupt and is constantly breaking even like the minimal

1064
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: laws they're trying to enforce. So over and over again,

1065
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: Striker will get, you know, in trouble with somebody for

1066
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: like fucking up something critical in the state, and Nazi

1067
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: functionaries will write complaints to Hitler, and Hitler will intervene

1068
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: again and again. This happens a bunch in the mid thirties,

1069
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: like Nazis trying to force Striker out as gal lighter

1070
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: and Hitler being like, nah, man, he's my boy. Nah,

1071
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: he's my boy. Like I know he's bad at this,

1072
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: but like fuck you, he's my guy. And again, while

1073
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: this is going on, Nuremberg is a big city for Hitler.

1074
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: He visits there regularly. He doesn't like to see Striker.

1075
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: There's like a bunch of cases where he'll show up

1076
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: in Nuremberg for an event and he'll kind of like

1077
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: have like an advanced team go just to like warn

1078
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: him where Striker is so he doesn't have to like

1079
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: hang out with him, Like he really doesn't like it.

1080
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: They could see me.

1081
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't let that dick can see me. But also

1082
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: it's known this is not just something that like was propaganda.

1083
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: People who knew and spend time around Hitler said that,

1084
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: like Dare Sturmer is the only thing Hitler reads cover

1085
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: to cover, like every issue, this guy's reading it. You know.

1086
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: So when we look at Striker living under Nazi control, again,

1087
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: he's not this guy of kind of like broad ranging talent.

1088
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: His talent is extremely focused on being a propagandist. But

1089
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, outside of that, he's kind of a failure

1090
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: in every other aspect of life. The early years of

1091
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: the Reich are then largely about score settling for Julius.

1092
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty four, after the Night of Long Knives,

1093
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: a Nuremberg school teacher was heard in a cafe saying

1094
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: that strikers should have been among the victims. When word

1095
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: got back to Julius, someone reports this teacher. He has

1096
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: the man arrested, and then he shows up in this

1097
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: teacher's cell with two other Nazis armed with whips and

1098
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: they beat this guy half to death with them. As

1099
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: they leave the cell, Julius has heard to say, I

1100
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: needed that. Now I feel released, like you know, And

1101
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: I think this is like he's a street fighter, he's

1102
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: an old soldier, Like I'm going to use my part

1103
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: of what he is using his power on now that

1104
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: he is in political powers to like go beat the

1105
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: shit out of people whenever he wants to deal with

1106
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: his stress. Yeah, because he's you know, he's a big

1107
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: bully too. Maybe we have like glossed over that, but yeah, yeah, I.

1108
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: Think that's like at the center of a lot of

1109
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: these ideologies is yeah, just suppressed bullies or bullies in

1110
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: a position where you know they can't do it for

1111
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: a bit or whatever.

1112
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's just like that's I mean, obviously you

1113
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: think about like who wants to be a Nazi? Well, assholes, right.

1114
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's the way you'll live in So I

1115
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: want to crush you.

1116
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Like exactly. Yeah, Like we shouldn't be surprised that Julia

1117
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: Stryker uses his power to like beat whoever he wants

1118
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: with a fucking whip. That's not a obviously like Heinrich

1119
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: Himler or whatever isn't going to like go after him

1120
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: for whipping some random teacher. But where Striker causes problems

1121
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: is so one of the first things he does when

1122
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: the Nazis take power is he helps to organize an

1123
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: anti Jewish boycott through his paper, which like is really successful,

1124
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 1: you know, And while it's actually kind of a mixed bag,

1125
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: but it's successful in making Nuremberg seen as the center

1126
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: of Nazi racial jurisprudence. Because Striker is the guy who's

1127
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: writing all of these theories out, now that they're sort

1128
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: of in power, he doesn't need to like like spread

1129
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: conspiracies about the Jews as much as he needs to

1130
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: make specific suggestions for how German law should deal with them.

1131
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: And this feeds into the fact that in September of

1132
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five, at a Nuremberg rally, Hitler announces a

1133
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: new set of laws restricting the behavior of Jewish Germans

1134
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: known as the Nuremberg Laws. Among other things, these legally

1135
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: banned sexual relations between German Jews and German non Jews. Now,

1136
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: Striker was not a part of writing these laws. Any reading,

1137
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: anything you ever read about the Holocaust, any documentary about

1138
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: the Holocaust will talk about the Nuremberg Laws. They are

1139
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: extremely important in the advancing sort of assembly of the

1140
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: apparatus that becomes the Holocaust. Striker gets credit for these laws.

1141
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: He has no role in them actually, cause again, you're

1142
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: not going to bring in this dude to help you

1143
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: write laws. But because he was kind of the most

1144
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: known anti Semite in the Nazi Party, and because Nuremberg

1145
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: is his city, he gets credit for this thing that

1146
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't actually really make. I mean, obviously he does

1147
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: support them, but he also like part of why he's

1148
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: not going to get to write these laws that he

1149
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: gets credit for is that these laws are written by

1150
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: the Nazi intellectuals that we talked about, who don't believe

1151
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: the exact same things that he does, like among other things,

1152
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: Striker believes that, like Stryker has these like weird mishmash

1153
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: of different sort of conspiratorial or in different stort of

1154
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: like historical almost some kind of like magical beliefs about

1155
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: the Jews and like where they came from, and like

1156
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: all of this weird stuff that kind of reaches back

1157
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: to like ariosophy and stuff like that Helena Blovotsky kind

1158
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: of shit. We talk about all this stuff, and some

1159
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: of that is common among the Nazi intelligensia, but like

1160
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: Striker's version of it is considered kind of gutter, and

1161
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: so it's interesting he gets kind of the last laugh

1162
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: here because these guys who hate him because they consider

1163
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: him low class are the ones who write the Nuremberg Laws.

1164
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: But Striker kind of gets credit for it. And in fact,

1165
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: after Hitler announces the Nuremberg Laws, like during his speech,

1166
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: there are chants of hail Striker that break out in

1167
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: the crowd because so many people give him credit for

1168
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: this stuff. Interesting side note under the individual.

1169
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: Kind of planting this seed without actually.

1170
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing the thing such a good job that he

1171
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: gets credit for it over these people who are pretty

1172
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: pissed that, like, he's the one who gets credit for

1173
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: their racism. Yeah, no, he's not being racist, right Yeah.

1174
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: Under the new third reich, DERs Schermer expanded its ouvra

1175
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: into publishing children's books like the nineteen thirty six text

1176
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: Trust No Fox on the Green Meadow and No Jew

1177
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: on His Oath. Not as good a title is like

1178
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, hop on pop, but yeah, that's a that's.

1179
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: Not not as good as anti Semitism.

1180
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: Daily, No anti anti Semitic letters. Yeah. This book is

1181
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: written by Elvira Bauer, who is an eighteen year old

1182
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: art student in kindergarten teacher, and is illustrated by Phipps

1183
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: Kenyon University. Right, children as young as six would be

1184
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: propagandais to recognize the Jew as distinct from the Aryan German,

1185
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: as crafty and exploitative, untrustworthy, greedy money hoarding, physically repulsive,

1186
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: and sexually predatory. The school child would be indoctrinated with

1187
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: old antisemitic tropes and canards from an early age. German

1188
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: youth would learn not only to recognize these repulsive descriptions

1189
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: of Jews, but as well the importance of standing together

1190
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: as a nation to remove the jew as a threat.

1191
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: Der Sturmer constantly reminded Germans that the Jews are our

1192
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: misfortune and jewry and its malignant influence had to be destroyed.

1193
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: So again, through all the issues, the first five years

1194
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: of Nazi power are broadly speaking a good time for him.

1195
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: But in nineteen thirty eight he steps out of line again.

1196
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: And the cause here is Christallnacht happens, right, so you

1197
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: get this big night of rioting across Germany. Bunch of

1198
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: synagogues are burnt down, munch of Jewish businesses are like

1199
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: robbed the windows, yeah, break in the wind. That's the

1200
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: night of broken glass, right, And Striker uses this as

1201
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: an excuse kind of in the wake of this to

1202
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: buy up millions of dollars of a Jewish property at

1203
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: forced sale prices, where it's basically like, hey, seeing what's

1204
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: happening to all these other Jewish owned businesses. Your shop

1205
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: can either get burnt down, you can sell it to

1206
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: me at like five percent of its actual value. Right now.

1207
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: The Nazi don't have an issue with this as a thing.

1208
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: In fact, this is what they are all doing. But

1209
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: the problem is that Striker is not going within the

1210
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: party apparatus. He's just doing this at wherever he thinks

1211
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 1: there's a profit, and Harriman Gering is the guy who's

1212
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing all this like making like buying

1213
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: all these businesses for nothing. So when Striker does this,

1214
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: he kind of steps on Gering's toes, and so the

1215
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: two men are wind up in conflict over this, and

1216
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: that conflict gets stoked by some of Striker's other enemies

1217
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: within the Nazi Party apparatus. One of these guys is

1218
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: the local police president who like goes to Gering and

1219
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: is like, hey man, look, you and I are buds.

1220
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know Striker's telling people

1221
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: your dick doesn't work. Like he's saying that, like your

1222
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: wife got artificially inseminated, because like you can't come anymore.

1223
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: I just want you to know, bro, like I'm not

1224
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: saying that. Jules is saying that. You know, it is

1225
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: so petty, right, He's like, yeah, got him. So this

1226
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: pisses off Herman Gearing, who launches a yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1227
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: of course, who launches a commission to investigate Striker and

1228
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: of course finds a lot of examples of outrageous corruption

1229
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: and obviously Herman Gehing is Herman Gearing. I don't trust

1230
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: that this was a good investigation. But Striker is outrageously corrupt,

1231
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: so it's probably not art and like it's so fucked up.

1232
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: Like one of the things they're doing, there's like a

1233
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: fucking paparazzi element to this, where like Striker is constantly

1234
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: cheating on his wife, right, He's got all these mistresses,

1235
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: he's visiting prostitutes. So a big part of what they're

1236
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: doing is they're just like having photographers ambush him while

1237
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: he's like naked, fucking people and like take photos and

1238
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: stuff of him. Yeah, that's like a bunch this.

1239
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: Paparazzi.

1240
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: But like right there, so Gerring's investigation comes up with

1241
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: both a bunch of photos of Striker morally sort of

1242
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: being and one of most of the Nazis are like this, right,

1243
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: Herman Ghering is like this, right, like he is a

1244
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: he is a decadent motherfucker. But Hitler's actually not. Hitler's

1245
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: like weird and repressed and kind of grossed out by

1246
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: this sort of behavior. So even though they're all doing it,

1247
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: if you can make the case to Hitler that like

1248
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: this guy's a degenerate Hitler will get kind of pissed

1249
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: off as Rizaldebta. So that's like the hope, that's why

1250
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: they're going after him this way. So this force is

1251
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: a wider investigation, you know, Gerring's investigation. And so it

1252
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: now becomes a matter for the Nazi courts, and the

1253
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: Nazi courts call up Striker's assistant, a guy nams Hans Kanig,

1254
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: to testify against him, and it does say as much

1255
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: of an asshole as Striker as to most people who

1256
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: works with Kanig is as loyal as you can be

1257
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: because when he gets subpoenaed, basically he goes to Striker

1258
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: and he's like, they're gonna make me, They're gonna question

1259
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: me on the stand about you. And Striker's like, you

1260
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: should kill yourself, bro, the only way to get out

1261
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: of this, and Kanig does it. Kanag kills himself to

1262
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: protect Striker. What Yes, It's like, yes, sir, taking the order. Yeah,

1263
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess this is how I'm doing it. Yeah, wha?

1264
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: What the fuck was going on in Germany?

1265
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: Man? People? Are you got a note with all of

1266
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: this happening that like you can buy heroin over the

1267
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: counter there's like methamphetamine everywhere. Maybe that maybe that also

1268
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: everyone's drinking all I don't know, maybe that plays a

1269
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: role all the head injuries from the war. Who knows,

1270
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: you know.

1271
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 5: It's it's a really wild time though, it's fucking nuts. Yeah,

1272
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 5: Like obviously everything else happen off that was wild and

1273
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 5: fucked up and crazy, but it really didn't spring from nothing.

1274
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: No, no, it's a it's quite a quite a period.

1275
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, so fucking Kanig offs himself, which winds up

1276
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: protecting Striker. Now, the Commission still finishes its report. Its

1277
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: investigation on him, and what they uncovered provides us with

1278
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting lens into the early ground reality of

1279
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: Nazi corruption. And I'm going to quote from the book

1280
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: Julius Striker here. The Commission even investigated Striker's sexual life,

1281
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: greatly aided by the cooperation of a nervous mistress announcing

1282
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: that no proper man would wear a wedding ring. Striker

1283
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: had collected those of his underlings to melt down into

1284
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: a jewelry box for his mistress and he Sits, who

1285
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: also received a regular salary for very limited duties from

1286
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: Striker's one of his newspapers. Other mistresses too, received paychecks

1287
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: from surprising sources. A country house with a well equipped

1288
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: bedroom had been built for Striker's affairs. Further cases of

1289
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: the beatings of political opponents were uncovered, as were Striker's

1290
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: detailed examinations of the sex lives of arrested juvenile delinquents

1291
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: and his boasts in the presence of young people of

1292
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: sexual prowess. So he's doing shit like he's having all

1293
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: the people who work with him given his wedding rings

1294
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: so he can like melt them down to give a

1295
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: present to his mistress. He's like whenever juvenile delinquents are arrested,

1296
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: he's like showing up to like sexually harass and sometimes

1297
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: assault them, like he'te real weird piece of shit. So again,

1298
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,919
Speaker 1: a lot of Nazis are doing stuff like this. Striker's

1299
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: just really bad at covering it up. But still Hitler

1300
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: fights back against these attempts from the other Nazis to

1301
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: use this as a justification to remove him from power,

1302
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: and he continues to back Striker for another year until

1303
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: the German invasion of Poland. And what finally gets Julius

1304
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: in trouble with Hitler is really dumb. Basically the invasion

1305
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: of Poland. Again, we forget this because of everything is

1306
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of unpopular even in Germany at the time, right, Like,

1307
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of a dicey move. It's a gamble. Hitler's

1308
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: a gambler. It's a gamble to invade Poland because people

1309
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: aren't fully on board with doing another World war at

1310
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: this stage. While he's trying to build support for Hitler's

1311
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: invasion of Poland, Striker kind of goes off a little

1312
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: bit on a limb and he makes some comments critiquing

1313
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: the leadership of the Wehrmacht, which Hitler absolutely needs the

1314
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: army's support, and so when Striker fucks up and makes

1315
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: the army angry, Hitler has to ban Striker from giving

1316
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: public speeches in order to keep the army on his side.

1317
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: This sort of forces another investigation against Striker, which reveals

1318
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: a bunch more corruption, and in nineteen forty, Hitler finally

1319
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: agrees to remove Julius from his official position as Gaulighter.

1320
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 1: Sort of he doesn't. Hitler can't have him in control anymore,

1321
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: but he doesn't want to like publicly insult him, so

1322
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: in public Striker is still named the Gawlighter, but he

1323
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: is privately another person is picked to do the job,

1324
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: and Striker is banned from leaving his home. Right, He's

1325
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,600
Speaker 1: not allowed to go to Nuremberg anymore. He's basically on

1326
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: like house arrest, but he's still allowed to publish Dare Stirmer.

1327
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: It's this weird back and forth Hitler has with him,

1328
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: where he's like, you are under house arrest, kit you

1329
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: if you go to Nuremberg. But also while the war

1330
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 1: is going on, I'm going to send you like precious

1331
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: supplies of fuel and paper in order to keep making

1332
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: their stirmer.

1333
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: Right, he just needs that, but he doesn't a lunatic

1334
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: behind it. I'm certainly not just in here and what

1335
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that Trump is like Hitler or anything

1336
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 2: like that, But it's it's in a way it reminds

1337
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: me slightly of like Bannon and Trump, like yeah, we

1338
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: eat this Rabel Rouser and then it was like, oh,

1339
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: for fuck's sake, he's he's going too far. What the

1340
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 2: fuck can we do with him? You know?

1341
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's one of those things like they're

1342
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: both authoritarian guys. Like obviously Trump hasn't killed tens of

1343
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: millions of people real big difference there, but there's similar

1344
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: personality things, right, and there's including as you I think

1345
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: pretty astutely noted, Bannon is super talented propagandist, was terrible

1346
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: at being involved in politics directly right, and immediately got in. Yeah,

1347
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,799
Speaker 1: these kind of guys come up and down in history,

1348
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, it's that's just the way it goes.

1349
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: So Yeah, Oddly enough, firing Striker in this way is

1350
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: one of the few things Adolf Hitler ever felt guilty about.

1351
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: Like this kind of gnaws at his heart. There's like

1352
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: a very yeah a quote from him during a private

1353
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: dinner in nineteen forty two where he's like lamenting this

1354
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: Striker affair is a tragedy. Striker is irreplaceable. There's no

1355
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: question of his coming back. But I must do him justice.

1356
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: If one day I write my memoirs, I shall have

1357
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: to recognize this man fought like a buffalo in our cause.

1358
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: I can't help thinking that in comparison with so many services,

1359
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: the reasons for Striker's dismissal are really very slender, Like

1360
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: it's so as a guy, he's a real piece of

1361
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he's literally Hitler, but he's got this like

1362
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: he's like morally harmed by the fact that he's he

1363
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: feels like he's not doing right by Striker. Like, it's

1364
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:57,520
Speaker 1: so strange.

1365
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 2: About evil that someone and feel bad about, like fireing

1366
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: this fucking lunatic that he didn't even like, and then

1367
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: not feel bad about literally massacreing six million people.

1368
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else weird thing? It is so because I

1369
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: think it is that for all of his numerous flaws,

1370
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, as as other Nazis saw them, Striker was

1371
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: right or die for Hitler. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and someone with.

1372
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 2: An ego like Hitler's that means so much.

1373
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: That means everything to him. Yeah.

1374
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's important in anyone's life, but for

1375
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 2: someone like that, when they're doing these evil shit, you

1376
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: need that person.

1377
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need you need that fucking dude who liked Like,

1378
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, Striker had this guy who was willing to

1379
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: kill himself for him. I think Stryker would have done

1380
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: that for Hitler, Like he was able to be kind

1381
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: of selfless when it came to backing Hitler. This is

1382
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: the only place he was able to do that in

1383
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: his life because he's otherwise real piece of shit, but

1384
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,799
Speaker 1: he had that to him. Yeah.

1385
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: Interesting it's it's so things like that just so fun,

1386
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: the psyche of just you know, like pure evil like

1387
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's compartmentalized within these people's heads, like it's

1388
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: it's fascinating.

1389
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: There's a lot there just about the human the humanity

1390
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: and I don't mean this and like we need to

1391
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: be sympathetic toward Adolf Hitler, but the humanity of him

1392
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: in that he is a man who is capable of

1393
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: having something gnaw at his conscience, but also like the

1394
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: thing the nauset is conscience is that he wasn't nice

1395
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: enough to a giant piece of shit.

1396
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, it's I don't know how you work

1397
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 2: it out, Like.

1398
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing to it's just like a thing. Like I

1399
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: think it's if you actually, if you actually want to

1400
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: understand these people not just as like historical figures, but

1401
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,839
Speaker 1: as like people. This is a thing. It's an interesting

1402
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: aspect of absolutely. Yeah.

1403
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you don't understand where this is coming from,

1404
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:54,520
Speaker 2: it will happen.

1405
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: Again, yeah, exactly. And it also like these people someone

1406
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: we often say like oh, this person's a mom, right,

1407
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: and you use it to kind of treat them like

1408
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 1: a force of almost like magic, like an ill wind,

1409
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, Hitler was a person. Striker was

1410
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: a person they had.

1411
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1412
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: Part of what you have to understand here that I'm

1413
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: sure is like an aspect of how they both feel

1414
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: the way they do. Is this like feeling of like

1415
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: trench loyalty to a fellow soldier, you know, yes and yeah. Anyway,

1416
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: So World War two not great for the Dear Sturmer

1417
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: as a as a as a profitable organization. For one thing,

1418
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: paper fuel all gets harder to find, it's more difficult

1419
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: to publish newsletters. Most people in this period are actually

1420
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: going to be reading Dear Sturmer, not by like buying

1421
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 1: a copy, but because in every town in Germany they'll

1422
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: put up these big kind of like ground level billboard

1423
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: type things where every new issue will be like put

1424
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: under glass or something so you can see each page

1425
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: and like presented that way, so people in town can

1426
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: just like walk up to it to read that week's

1427
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: issue of Dear Stirmer. Like that's how a lot of

1428
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: it gets handed out because like like for free, yeah,

1429
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: for free, because.

1430
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: There's shortage of yeah, because you.

1431
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: Can't you can't make as much as many paper copies

1432
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: for one thing, right, it's just not possible with the

1433
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: reality of the war. So obviously dear Sturmer becomes less

1434
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: profitable it also people are less interested in it. During

1435
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: World War Two, Striker was had built his base of

1436
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: readers through sexual titillation and blood and guts and fear

1437
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: mongering about the Jews, that's the core of it, right,

1438
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: And by the time World War Two starts, there are

1439
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,480
Speaker 1: not Jews publicly in German society, right, that's like the Holocaust,

1440
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: you know, And so there's nothing for him to fear

1441
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: monger about, Right, what are you going to do? Like,

1442
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: how are you going to do the thing that you

1443
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: were doing?

1444
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 2: They've they've a new enemy.

1445
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been removed, right, And he he's not ever

1446
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: able to really figure that out. So dear Sturmer stays

1447
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: working during the World War Two. But it kind of

1448
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: it's it's it's public interest in it sort of falls

1449
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: through the floor. And in early nineteen forty five, Julius

1450
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 1: requests permission from Hitler to basically I want to you know,

1451
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: everything's falling apart, Please let me go to the front

1452
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: and like fight, and Hitler gives him permission, but Striker

1453
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: doesn't wind up doing that instead, he's just married his

1454
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: secretary after his wife died, who he'd been cheating with

1455
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: on his wife for a long time. And right before

1456
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: the war ends, they flee to Burkedisgotten, which is where

1457
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: Hitler had, Like it's this nice little mountain town where

1458
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: Hitler had his like summer home, and they kind of

1459
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: just like move there with the plan of like writing

1460
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: it out as long as they can and then killing themselves.

1461
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,799
Speaker 1: So while they're in hiding, American gis you know, capture

1462
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: Nuremberg and whatnot. And they find Striker's house and as

1463
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: they're going this is a thing. All of these Nazis, right,

1464
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, Hermann Gering's big palace gets like gone through

1465
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: by soldiers, so does like Hitler's place in Burkedisgotten. They

1466
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: find all of the different like art these guys had collected,

1467
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: and when it Striker, you know, these other big Nazis

1468
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: they had stolen like very valuable works of art. Inside

1469
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: Striker's home they find what might have been the largest

1470
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: stockpile of pornography in the world at the time.

1471
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 4: Are you surprised, No, no, not, like just rooms of

1472
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 4: porn and what he'd done is for years, as gall lighter.

1473
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: Striker had collected, using the police, every piece of pornography

1474
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 1: produced in the city that he could get his hands on.

1475
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: He claimed, I'm building a library to like study the

1476
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: Jewish plot to destroy area and masculinity. That's why I

1477
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: need more porn than any man has ever had.

1478
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, one minute there, I'm just in the office studying.

1479
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: I'm studying.

1480
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna study so Hot to Night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's it's funny to think of, but

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's not a tool surprising from this.

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Speaker 1: Yey right now, not at all. So on May twenty third,

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01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: nineteen forty, the Americans are in Burke dis Godden. There's

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01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,879
Speaker 1: the you know, they're looking for all of these Nazi

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01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: big wigs, right, and Striker is on the list. He's

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01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: gone missing. So like officers are getting handed these lists

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,480
Speaker 1: being like be on the lookout for this dude. We

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01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: we want to talk to this Nazi. And there's this

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: American Jewish major, right, he's a he's a Jewish American

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01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: who's an army major. His last name is Plitt, and

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01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 1: he's walking around town one day in burked this godden

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01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: and he sees Striker in his mistress, and Plitt doesn't

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: think that he's Striker is instead is just like, hey, man,

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: you look a lot like this escape Nazi. Has anyone

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01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: ever told you that? Right? Like, he's just being kind

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01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: of casual about it. Yeah, but he does it in

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01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: like German, and he's not great at speaking German, right,

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01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: because he's an American, And so Striker, because the dude's

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01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: German is broken, thinks this guy is saying you are

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01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: the escaped Nazi Julius Striker and hands himself in Right,

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01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: He's like, you got me, And then the Major's like, wait,

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01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: really for real, why are you actually that guy? Yeah?

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01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: So you know, the language barrier captured us at least

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01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: one Nazi. There you go. Right now, Striker gets arrested.

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01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: If you go and read and if you're googling a

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01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: lot of stories about Striker, you will wind up on

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01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: a bunch of Nazi websites. Because they are livid that

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01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: he gets they call it torture, which I guess you could.

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01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: It's not not torture. Basically, what happens is when he

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01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: gets arrested. This is a thing that happens to a

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01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: number of arrested Nazis, a couple of like Jewish soldiers

1514
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: and Black soldiers just beat the shit out of him, right,

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01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: just absolutely to fuck it. But right, like, I'm not

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01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: worried about this, This is not this doesn't tweak my heart.

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01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: But Nazis get really angry about the fact that the

1518
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: Allies tortured this guy. Where it's like, yeah, I don't know, man.

1519
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: One thing that we know happens is that US troops

1520
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: starts circulating a picture of him after he got the

1521
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: hell beaten out of him that has a sign that

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01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: says Julius stre or King of Jews. Yeah, yeah, so

1523
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: you kicked in. Yeah, he gets a little he gets

1524
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: more of his come up ince than like most Nazis. Right,

1525
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: So he goes on, you know, he's captured. He's there's

1526
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: like a year or so where he's like, you know,

1527
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: in custody and everyone's trying to figure out how to

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01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: do the Nuremberg trials because that's the whole process. And

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01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: like while he's being interrogated while this court trial is

1530
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: going on, Striker he kind of like he has a

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01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: couple of weird periods. There's like one period of time

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01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: where he starts because this is if you remember, you

1533
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 1: know your history, Right after World War Two, a number

1534
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: of these Jewish militias that had existed in Palestine start

1535
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: like fighting, you know, more openly, right, And he hears

1536
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 1: about this, and he starts making speeches about how now

1537
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, if you'll let me go, I'll go to

1538
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: Palestine to fight on behalf of these Jewish militias because

1539
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: unlike the German, they're willing to fight for their homeland

1540
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, it's very weird, Like I think he's

1541
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: just like fucking with people, right, like yeah, because he

1542
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: like he's trolling, right, like that is the guy this

1543
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: is like he knows this will get attention. He wants

1544
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: to troll people. He makes a claim at one point

1545
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 1: that like I met this Jewish American soldier who treated

1546
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 1: me well and it proved to me that there's good Jews.

1547
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: But then he also writes like a final like big

1548
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: anti Semitic rant that's his like political statement about how

1549
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: everything's the fault. He's just like trolling people, right, like

1550
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: we don't need to get into it that. I mean

1551
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: the guy that he is in prison, Yeah he's going

1552
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: to say that shit, yeah exactly. So they have this

1553
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: big international military tribunal. Striker and Garring are kind of

1554
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 1: like two of the bigger Nazis there. There's some like

1555
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: generals and whatnot. And the indictment of Striker concludes that

1556
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: he was like not directly involved in the physical commission

1557
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: of the Holocaust, right, not or at least not in

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01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: a way that's like similar to you know, the people

1559
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: who are running aushwit whatever. Right. But they note, and

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01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: I think this is a really interesting and valuable thing

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01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: that the Nuremberg trial does that while he was not

1562
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: a part of the state and he was not organizing

1563
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: death camps, his propaganda was consciously preparing the way for genocide, right,

1564
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: that that had been part of his goal, and that

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01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: he was thus partly responsible for Nazi crimes against humanity.

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01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: There's a line in here, basically like within sort of

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01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: the kind of indictments against him, there's this sort of

1568
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: a line that quote the effects of this man's crime,

1569
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: of the poison that he has poured into the minds

1570
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: of millions of young boys and girls, goes on, for

1571
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: he concentrated upon the youth and childhood of Germany. He

1572
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: leaves behind him a legacy of almost a whole people

1573
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: poisoned with hate, sadism, and murder and perverted by him.

1574
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: That people remain a problem and perhaps a menace to

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01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: the rest of civilization for generations to come. So yeah,

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01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: that is the accurate conclusion of the Nuremberg Commission. He

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01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: is sentenced to death.

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01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, very I mean, in many ways, I

1579
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: think his legacy is a lot more dangerous than someone

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01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: dealing out violence at the time. Not to say there

1581
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 2: were any absolutely as well, but you know what I mean,

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01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: his legacy is definitely lasted.

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01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you think about, like a couple of

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01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: years ago in the US, we had the Tree of

1585
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: Life synagogue shooting. Right, this guy, Robert Bowers walks and

1586
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: shoots eleven people he bred there. You can find like

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01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: quotes of him basically sharing evolutions of Striker propaganda. There's

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01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: a direct line between the two. Right, Striker's still killing people, you.

1589
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Point Yeah.

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool that on October sixteenth, nineteen forty six,

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01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: the United States had a mostly illiterate con man who

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01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: pretended to be a skilled executioner hang Striker on the

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01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: gallows at Nuremberg and really fuck it up. It's a

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01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: bad execution. This guy did not know what he was doing.

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01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect.

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01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:00,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets.

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01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: Caught by a guy who's who has broken German and

1598
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 3: then gets by a guy who's you bad at people?

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: Right, it has like this Looney Tunes death.

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01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the American people helping to punish the Nazis through incompetency. Yeah,

1601
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: we know we were doing but we got him in

1602
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: the end. Yeah.

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01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It's luckily he felt like a lot of

1604
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: pain before death, just from American incompetence. But it works.

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01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: God willing. All right, that's the story of Julius Striker. Jake,

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01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: how you feeling.

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01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very fascinating, man, I'm really really interested in that.

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01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 2: It's particularly like I've read Oh God, what's anyway? The

1609
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: book about like the lead up to World War Two,

1610
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 2: and I don't remember this guy. I'm sure it was

1611
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 2: in it. It was a long time ago, but it's really

1612
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 2: interesting this kind of stuff, and it really sadly shows

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01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 2: that it's not really going anywhere and hasn't really gone

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01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 2: anywhere in some ways, you know.

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01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's that's pretty pretty cool

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01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,799
Speaker 1: if you're interested in Julius Strek. I really do recommend

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01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: people the book Julius strike Or by Randall Bitwork. Really

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01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 1: good book, really good historiography of this guy, talks in

1619
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: much more detail about his propaganda. Jake, Where can people

1620
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: find you?

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01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just hit me up any social media at

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Speaker 2: Jake underscore Hanrahan that's h A n A h A n.

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Speaker 2: think it's going to stay out free for much younger.

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Speaker 2: We've done five years, but yeah it's going bad. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: not bad in terms of the business, in terms of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard out there.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: And that brings me back to blue aprons.

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Speaker 2: Goddamn.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, everybody fresh you know, have a have a happy holiday.

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Speaker 1: This isn't going to come out during a holiday, but

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Speaker 1: the next time you have a holiday, remember me wishing

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Speaker 1: you a happy one. Now on Christmas, Yeah, and Christmas,

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Speaker 1: you know, for a few months from now.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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