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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House top Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Christen and I'm Caroline. Caroline. I would

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Speaker 1: like to do a little podcast theater to kick things off, please,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to do a re enactment of a commercial, okay,

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Speaker 1: for a certain product, and I'm going to play the daughter.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to play the role of the mom.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we don't have to do the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: but it goes a little something like this, And for

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Speaker 1: our listeners, just imagine this wearing some cablenet sweaters, perhaps

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Speaker 1: walking down a beach. Yes, wind blowing gently in our hair,

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Speaker 1: and in hand the sunset, Yes, the sun is setting,

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Speaker 1: and I'm your teenage daughter. I'm just gonna take your

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Speaker 1: hand and ask you a question that I never asked

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Speaker 1: my mom. M there goes mom. Hm, yes, honey, do

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Speaker 1: you douche? I sure do, especially when I like to

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Speaker 1: be fresh. Great mom. And that, my friends and listening,

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Speaker 1: is a re enactment of the greatest commercial ever produced

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties for a douching product cauld Mass

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Speaker 1: and gil it's amazing. Uh. And I thought that we

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Speaker 1: should kick things off with that commercial because douching it's

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Speaker 1: a little ridiculous like that commercial. Yes, and lately a

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Speaker 1: little controversial, a little controversial. Yes, the reason why we

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about douching. Um, and yes, you can

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Speaker 1: start your douching drinking game right now every time. Kind

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Speaker 1: of like the poop podcast that Molly and I did

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Speaker 1: way back when we're I think a listener went back

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Speaker 1: and counted and we did say poop. I believe seventy

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Speaker 1: two times. We're gonna totally talk. We're gonna talk. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk with this douching podcast. Douche, Doe, douche. There's

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Speaker 1: three right there. Um, at at least a pint. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: you're wasted already. Um. So we're talking about douching because

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Speaker 1: there was a very controversial ad campaign, part of which

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Speaker 1: was just pulled by Summer's Eve feminine hygiene product line

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Speaker 1: because they had these these well, I don't care, like,

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Speaker 1: can you describe it hand puppets? Yeah, there were some

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Speaker 1: hand puppets. They were hands folded in the shape of

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Speaker 1: they were. They were talking basically talking vaginas, advising women

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Speaker 1: to uh clean me up. That's one accent they didn't use. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there were some racial stereotypes involved. There is a if

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Speaker 1: you'd like to see a parody Stephen Colbert Show did

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Speaker 1: a whale to the d Yes. Yeah, that was the

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Speaker 1: title of the advertising campaign was Hail to the V

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Speaker 1: because it was all about and there was a statement

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Speaker 1: she spun it as a as a thing of confidence.

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Speaker 1: We need to celebrate our confidence in our V and

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Speaker 1: also in the meantime calling it up. Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 1: really sure. I haven't quite linked in my mind female

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Speaker 1: empowerment with cleansing products for my vagina. But now I no, no,

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Speaker 1: I can't link this. And apparently you're not alone, because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, they did pull at least part of

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Speaker 1: the Hail to the V campaign. But I will say, well,

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Speaker 1: douching does seem kind of kind of ridiculous. Maybe can

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Speaker 1: I say that? Yeah, my mom and I never had

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Speaker 1: a douching conversation. Um, but maybe I'm in the minority. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually I'm not in the minority. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: people do douche. UM An estimated of American women fifteen

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Speaker 1: to forty four years old douche regularly. And see, this

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Speaker 1: is crazy to me because I don't know. I mean, okay, now,

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Speaker 1: And there was an additional study from the University of

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Speaker 1: this is data from hundred women reported douching. And then

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Speaker 1: if you break it down by race, um, Black women

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Speaker 1: while later. But the thing I've almost fascinating about doushing

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Speaker 1: at this ad for Lisol. Yes, this is a vintage

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Speaker 1: Lisol ad, right, And this one shows a woman who

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Speaker 1: marries a woman because he loves her. So instead of

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Speaker 1: blaming him, if Mary love begins to cool, she should

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Speaker 1: question herself. And by self, do you mean her feminine her? Yes,

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Speaker 1: her feminine hygiene scare tactic. The ad goes on to say,

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Speaker 1: is by practicing. And this is an italics complete feminine hygiene.

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Speaker 1: And by complete they mean they mean get up in

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Speaker 1: knew knew? Um? So, yeah, it is kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: to see how this there's scare tactic advertising evolves and

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Speaker 1: it starts with Lisol, but then there's also Licel's competitor, Zonite,

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Speaker 1: this seminin hygiene hook and slowly evolved to become, you know,

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Speaker 1: a competitive alternative douching product. But they were also you

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Speaker 1: could do the homemade douches with just vinegar and water

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Speaker 1: our douching research, a self cleaning oven. Please tell me

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Speaker 1: more about that. Yes, the vagina is a quote the

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Speaker 1: original self cleaning oven because it produces mucus that does

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Speaker 1: But it's important not to douche because you are then

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Speaker 1: According to Women's Health dot Gov, douching can actually alter

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Speaker 1: just like the self cleaning oven reference. I have come

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Speaker 1: across the words vaginal flora way too many times. I

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Speaker 1: Gynecologists recommends that women don't douche. Now. Every now and

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Speaker 1: Human Services also says that women should avoid using scented tampons, pads, powders,

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Speaker 1: Caroline if we didn't talk about the way that I

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Speaker 1: Berkeley linguists James Matisoft attributes to the popularity of douche

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Speaker 1: bag among our generation Caroline to none other than John Stewart.

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Speaker 1: How's that because douche bag is something that you could

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Speaker 1: And you know that John Stewart's got a salty tongue.

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Speaker 1: So John Stewart, thank you for so much, including douche

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