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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samup, this is John. We're the ancient

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Speaker 2: I think my sister joined a cult.

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Speaker 3: Get her out of there.

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Speaker 2: Hello, thirty mil from Canada here and I'll try to

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Speaker 2: keep this from being overly long. But there's a lot

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Speaker 2: to unpack here. I have a sister who's four years

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Speaker 2: younger than me. Weenty six female. Let's call it Kate.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's related to being the second child,

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Speaker 2: but Kate has always had a pattern of dating toxic guys,

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Speaker 2: not just one or two, but one toxic relationship after another.

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Speaker 2: Since high school. She's constantly bringing on guys the family

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Speaker 2: couldn't stand. But we always held our tongues until these

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Speaker 2: relationships ran their course. We stayed respectful and didn't get

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Speaker 2: involved unless something unacceptable was happening right in front of us,

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Speaker 2: which only happened once been ten years. By the way,

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Speaker 2: this comes from ancient programmer thirty six and if you

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Speaker 2: slash Okay story time sub ib reddit. I'm Riley, I'm Sophia,

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Speaker 2: and I am Keon and op says. We had to

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Speaker 2: keep negative opinions to ourselves because Kate has spiteful tendencies.

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Speaker 2: If we said anything critical about her choices or boyfriends,

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Speaker 2: or stay with the guy longer just to spite us.

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Speaker 2: Where did she learn this from?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: This dynamic made it difficult to maintain a close relationship

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Speaker 2: with Kate, but our family kept trying. We'd constantly invite

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Speaker 2: her and whoever she was dating to join us for dinners,

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Speaker 2: backyard fires, outing with friends, or just hang out in

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Speaker 2: the yard with the docs. Things started changing last year,

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Speaker 2: right before my wife and I got married. We'd been

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Speaker 2: and saving, we finally had our wedding in fall of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. The whole family was involved, including my

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Speaker 2: sister and her boyfriend, Jim. Jim was actually a good guy,

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Speaker 2: worked for a paper company in Pennsylvania and got out

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Speaker 3: What I haven't learned. I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what's going on yet.

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Speaker 2: Work for paper company? What oh dunder Mifflin was I

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Speaker 2: just added that to see if Sophia.

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Speaker 4: Was Jim Paper Company?

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Speaker 3: Jim Paper Company anyways office the first decent boyfriend Kate

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Speaker 2: He tr did her well, was friendly and respectful, and

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Speaker 2: they were planning a future together spite dating only year.

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Speaker 2: They had plans to move out and start a family

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Speaker 3: Hmm, let's let why don't we slow it down?

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Speaker 2: Jim was my best man and Kate was going to

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Speaker 2: be my wife's maid of honor. Okay, do you know

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Speaker 2: a lot of Sorry, do you not have a lot

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Speaker 2: of friends? How is Jim your best man? I'm sorry

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. Were you just did you just

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Speaker 4: Maybe he's just very persuasive.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Jim was like, hey, i'll be I'll be I'll

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Speaker 3: And nope, he was like, I mean, like I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then a month before the wedding, Kate suddenly came

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Speaker 2: unsure about her relationship with Jim. They broke up, got

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Speaker 2: back together two days later, broke up again the next day.

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Speaker 2: This cycle repeated for about a week. Jim and I

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Speaker 4: Hey, you can't say what you just said. You can't

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Speaker 2: Apparently Kate kept ending things because Jim wasn't ready to

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Speaker 2: Jim and Kate worked together in retail, seeing each other daily.

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Speaker 2: that leading up to their breakup, Haate had gotten really

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Speaker 2: explained Steven's upbringings or where things got cold like. My

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Speaker 2: man who does home cleansing. Let's call him Todd, the cleanser.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's me DoD.

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Speaker 3: I someone called in about a haunted house.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you took me out of the store. You can't

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Speaker 3: Can't name him Todd. You have to name him like

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Speaker 4: Todd's like neo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tod likes finances and goths on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: He's died, spirits. Get out of here, get gone, ay,

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Speaker 3: they're gone money please, they're living here. They're living here.

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Speaker 4: They actually lived here first. So you gotta get out.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, they share, you gotta leave. It didn't work.

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Speaker 4: They don't like that dog of yours.

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Speaker 2: You know how you watch a movie and something just

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Speaker 2: sure if Todd actually did anything, didn't name is Todd,

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Speaker 2: they'd call Todd when feeling negative energy, paying four hundred

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Speaker 3: That's wild to me, but also, I mean, like it's

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Speaker 2: Oh placeboat about it gets crazier, we get more Todd

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm looking up Todd the Exorcist right now.

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Speaker 2: Todd's screams scam artist or Colt leader to me. But

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Speaker 2: Kate looked up him standing his annual birthday parties where

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Speaker 2: they perform exorcism on possessed people. Right, Okay, so Todd's

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's why it's usually like priests doing it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what That's what they did at my grandma's

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Speaker 4: But they did get a priest and they exercised the house.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think he charged, No, he didn't charge.

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Speaker 3: Okay, see the priest, I think to exercise the house

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Speaker 2: Priests were like, I've pave me some money and I'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, give me. Yeah, And that was wrong, and that

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Speaker 3: The priests and the Catholic church for a minute, they

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Speaker 4: Give me all your savings, and I'll give you this

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Speaker 3: You pay me money.

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Speaker 2: When Kate brought Stephen home, we learned he's Todd's son

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Speaker 3: Well, these people are scamming you. They're scamming you, Kate.

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Speaker 2: This was red flag number one. But having just met him,

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Speaker 2: Hear me out. Hear me out, hear me out here out.

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Speaker 2: You can profit from this, but you have to do

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Speaker 3: Think the cleansing is free, but the cleaning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can like up your thing just like

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Speaker 2: But yeah, someone said they also cleans houses, but they

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Speaker 2: how God speaks to him and gifted him power to

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Speaker 3: That is a big claim sir.

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Speaker 2: Huh, I'm old.

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Speaker 4: I want to meet this guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm having some problems now. He also mentioned leaving the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's like, and we're gonna make a giant

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Speaker 2: And goal will imagine not tithing. But you have a

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Speaker 2: God's will for Kay and Stephen to be together. Also

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Speaker 3: This is so concerning.

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Speaker 2: According to my parents, the fight focus on how we

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Speaker 3: Okay, lose is what I think might have happened. I

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Speaker 2: My thing was. You're driving, you're not really looking at

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Speaker 2: My parents' concerns were about Kate's personality changes. She become fluted, angry,

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Speaker 3: Where's Jim when you need him?

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Speaker 3: She's like, I I watched your dog and this is

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Speaker 2: And the part that I don't like is I believe

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Speaker 4: Look at me, I have my spirit all around, and

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Speaker 2: I love the anti government views. She might have a

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Speaker 3: So concerning, so concerning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she likes guys that are manipulative. In there, he's

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Speaker 3: I mean she had the like amazing guy Jim, and

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Speaker 2: The vaccine argument happening during the VID when our family

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Speaker 2: We got a little bit left here, guys. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Because Todd considers his house equivalent to a church or monastery,

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Speaker 3: to my job. By the way, this comes from Justice

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Speaker 3: crew Cut and if you want to smit your own stories,

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Speaker 3: go to the r slash Okay storytime separate it. So

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Speaker 3: I'm Sophia I'm Riley and I'm Keon, and op says.

443
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 3: When my contract ended, I returned home and had the

444
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 3: time to sort through some of my brother's things that

445
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 3: my parents hadn't looked at yet. Among them was his computer,

446
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 3: which I was hoping might have had some photos or

447
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: other things of interest on it. I managed to salvage

448
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: a few good pictures and videos. Though most of it

449
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: was of him hanging out with his friends at the time,

450
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: it was still good to have a few extra memories

451
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 3: of him from back then. It was while I was

452
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Speaker 3: going through installed programs I noticed he had bitcoin software installed.

453
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Speaker 2: Wow.

454
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: I know he used it to buy certain things for

455
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 3: himself and his friends online, so it wasn't a surprise

456
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 3: to me that he had this.

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Speaker 2: You can use bitcoin on certain websites to buy illegal

458
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Speaker 2: things so they can't trace.

459
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Speaker 3: You they see. I knew that bitcoin had gone up

460
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 3: in value over the past several years, so part of

461
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: me hoped he might have had an amount there. But

462
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 3: when I ran the bitcoin program it said zero. I

463
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: wasn't too surprised at that until I looked at the

464
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 3: transaction details. There was regular activity there right up until

465
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Speaker 3: the week before he passed away, and then nothing after that.

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Speaker 2: Oh what do we have a conspiracy on her hands.

467
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Speaker 2: I'm about to get so pissed. I just saw that.

468
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god. I can't. I can't.

469
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Speaker 2: I might, I might. I might freak out. I might

470
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: freak out. Oh my gosh.

471
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Speaker 3: Until two years ago, when the total balance at the

472
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Speaker 3: time of one hundred and forty seven bitcoins was transferred out.

473
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Speaker 2: Of it the shut the front door. Shut the front door.

474
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: At the front door, shut the front door. That's insane,

475
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: shut the front door, Like.

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Speaker 4: You know how much one How much is that? Oh dude?

477
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Speaker 3: How much is one hundred and forty seven bitcoins.

478
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: Seventeen zero point six million dollars if you cashed it

479
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Speaker 2: in today?

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00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: You gotta sue whoever's don't that means money?

481
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Speaker 2: Let me look up how much it is right now?

482
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 2: One bitcoin is worth like one hundred thousand. You gotta sue.

483
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: This made no sense to me unless someone else had

484
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: a copy of his account or had hacked them from

485
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: him somehow. But then I checked the history log on

486
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: the computer and lo and behold, it had been started

487
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: up several times on the date the transfer happened. Going

488
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: back to my parents, I asked them if anyone else

489
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: had used the computer since they got it back from storage.

490
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Speaker 3: They remembered that, yes, two years ago, my brother's old

491
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: roommate looked them up and asked if they still had

492
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Speaker 3: his computer?

493
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Speaker 2: Shut up? Shut up?

494
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Speaker 3: Did he use it to get a copy of some

495
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: files to do with their old rental. No, they had

496
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Speaker 3: let him use it for a couple of hours and

497
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: he left afterwards, and they hadn't heard from him six

498
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: I looked him up on social media and from his post,

499
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Speaker 3: it seems like he suddenly came into some serious money,

500
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Speaker 3: judging from the purchases and activities he was involved with

501
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Speaker 3: at around the same time.

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Speaker 2: I can't I'm so so mad or I know so

503
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: where do I go from here?

504
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: The evidence strongly points to his having stolen the bitcoins?

505
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: But what are my options? Do I confront him directly?

506
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: And do I have anything to stand on? My parents

507
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: went through a lot over the years, and it would

508
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: be good if I could at least give them back

509
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Speaker 3: something for all their blood, sweat and tears. And I

510
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 3: know it's what my brother would have wanted. Lawyer up, Yeah,

511
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: lawyer up.

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Speaker 2: I would sincerely get a lawyer. Lawyer of asap I

513
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: also wonder if his brother's passing had anything to do

514
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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 3: Edit. Thanks for the advice so far. I will be

516
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 3: driving down to my parents this weekend to check the

517
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: computer for the bitcoin information to investigate this further. This

518
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: community is amazing. Relevant comments Fiyuki Wataru. Get in contact

519
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: with a lawyer immediately. Yes, do your parents still have

520
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: the message where he asked to use the computer security

521
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: footage where he was at your house? Anything is useful

522
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: here if you don't have it. See what your Laura

523
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: thinks about this idea, something along the lines as contact

524
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: him and ask if he used your brother's computer about

525
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: two years ago when he was deceased, and make sure

526
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: it's on paper. Was the computer password protected? Post the

527
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: address that the coins were sent to. Maybe some bitcoiners

528
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: can help try and find out which exchange he had

529
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: used to cash out. Then we can try and contact

530
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: the exchange for extra help. Hopefully this guy had sold

531
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 3: his bitcoins through an exchange where he was verified with

532
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: his passport in address, and then I think you'll have

533
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: a solid case. Edit. Also, you need to act fast.

534
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: The guy might be reading this subreddit and he might

535
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: come across this post. Good luck and Opie says, appreciate

536
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: the quick response. I'll answer in point forim, I'd like

537
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: to avoid legal if possible, due to what my brother

538
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: was using them for and also the cost not ruling

539
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: it out later though, I think you gotta use legal, Dude,

540
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: there was no password set. I will post an update

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Speaker 3: with the address information when I have it. Since it

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00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: looks likely he did cash it out. I really hope

543
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 3: you're right about his having done it somewhere he can

544
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: be tracked delete it said. Good luck with legal pursuit

545
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 3: of action in this circumstance. There is a reason why

546
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: bitcoin is used on the darknet markets. Oh, he says,

547
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: that's my only concern with this. If we do pursue

548
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: this legally, I know my brother was using them for

549
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: less than legal purchases at the time, which could be

550
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 3: linked back to the bitcoin two two two seven three

551
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: three seven says, what are they gonna do arrest your brother?

552
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: The worst case scenario would be to seize the bitcoins,

553
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: which I doubt would happen.

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00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah those are gone, Yeah they're gone.

555
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 3: But there is an update, folks. I mean you gotta

556
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: I feel like you gotta get a lawyer involved. The

557
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: thing is that you don't necessarily have to decide to

558
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: sue this guy. But I think getting a lawyer involved

559
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: to see what your options are just like consult a lawyer,

560
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: you know. But there is an update. I was sent

561
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: a message from a fairly notable individual in the subreddit

562
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: with an offer to help, which I have accepted based

563
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: on his history and reputation here. On his advice, I

564
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: will be collecting the computer from my parents' place later

565
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: today instead of the weekends, so we can jump on

566
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: this asap. Due to this now being out in the open.

567
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: He's also using his connections to get a free legal

568
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: opinion from someone qualified in this area. Nice. Sometimes reddit

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00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 3: is helpful. I can't say much else until I hear

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00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: back from them, but I will be sure to provide

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00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: further details as soon as I am able. For now,

572
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: I just want to thank the community in bitcoin for

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00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: all the kind words and advice you have given. It's

574
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 3: people like you who restore my faith in humanity after

575
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 3: experiencing idiots like my brother's ex roommate. Editor's note. Many

576
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: were skeptical of the unknown editor's assistance. The Yuki Wataru

577
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: says trust no one, especially people who privately send you

578
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: mail regardless of what the reputation is, they might have

579
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: you over. It has happened in the past plenty of times.

580
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: Makes me wonder if this person has such a great reputation,

581
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 3: why aren't they coming out in the open. And there

582
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: is an update. Four years ago, at the urging of others,

583
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: I posted to this sub asking for help. So this

584
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: is four and a half years later.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I know that anytime he hears the

586
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: word bitcoin he freaks out.

587
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: So this is twenty twenty. Now Bitcoin has skyrocketed and

588
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: this man is finding out that his brother's ex roommate

589
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: sold all of their bitcoin money for like one hundred

590
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Curious.

591
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: This story is making me so uncomfortable inside. It is

592
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: so hard to describe.

593
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: I originally posted to the relationship sub, but was quickly

594
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: directed to repost to the bitcoin sub to see if

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00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 3: anyone there could offer any advice. Soon after doing that,

596
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: I was privately approached by a credible individual from this

597
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: group with an offer of assistance, which myself and my

598
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: parents accepted. Through their network of contexts, we received expert

599
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: technical advice and forensic analysis at absolutely no cost whatsoever.

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00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: And legal representation that totally understood the issue at hand

601
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: and was prepared to work on a no win, no

602
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: fee basis. I would be super skeptical of that. No

603
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: such thing is a free lunch. We owe all of

604
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: these people a massive debt of gratitude for what they

605
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: have been able to achieve for us here, and it

606
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: has finally come to a conclusion in these last few weeks.

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Speaker 3: The analysis of the computer took several weeks before we

611
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: heard back, but the results were extremely promising. They had

612
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: identified that while all the bitcoins had indeed been transferred

613
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: to another wallet, not all the bitcoins in this wallet

614
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: had been spent. There was still approximately thirty six bitcoins

615
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: remaining in there that had not been touched. Of what

616
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: had been spent, there was significant trails of evidence which

617
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: was used as the starting point of commencing legal action

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00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: against the individual in question. It has taken time and

619
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: much of it is under non disclosure, but what I

620
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: can confirm is that an agreement was made to withdraw

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Speaker 3: our case against him in return for transferring this remaining

622
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: balance back to my brother's estate. Yesterday, our lawyer let

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00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: us know that this has now been done. They are

624
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: handling the technical aspect of this for us, But the

625
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: upshot is that the cash equivalent of nearly twenty nine

626
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: bitcoins will shortly be transferred to my parents. This couldn't

627
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: have come at a better or more needed time. There

628
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: is a little bit left. How much is twenty nine bitcoins?

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00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Or was twenty nine bitcoins in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and ninety thousand dollars?

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00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: Ooh, so they got more than the guy got yep?

632
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's on the waiting game.

633
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: Heck yeah the past twelve months. But the bid has

634
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: taken a significant toll on them. Their business was up

635
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: against the wall and they potentially stood to lose everything

636
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: unless things turned around. So this cash infusion has taken

637
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: away all the fear and stress they were living under.

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00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: This entire saga began with the premature passing of my brother.

639
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: It now concludes with him leaving behind a legacy of

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00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: hope and optimism for our parents. Somewhere up there, I

641
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: know he's smiling and cheering them on in the end,

642
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: he did good rap. In twenty fourteen, it was worth

643
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: fifty to sixty k. In twenty twenty one it was

644
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: worth one point five million. Now we have specific numbers,

645
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: thank you. So they got one point five million.

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00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: I guess all right, well that's.

647
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: A lot better than two hundred thousand dollars one point

648
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: five million, crazy dude. So they not only got about

649
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: the fifty to sixty k, they also got one point

650
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Speaker 3: nine million.

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Speaker 2: Ah, I was looking at like October of twenty twenty one.

652
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Speaker 2: It went down.

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Speaker 3: Ah fool.

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00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: My brother demands I delay my wedding so his fiance

655
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Speaker 2: can have the spotlight.

656
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: It's not your wedding.

657
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Speaker 2: So my brother and I are planning our weddings and

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00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: we have a problem. Context. Me female thirty two, and

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Speaker 2: my fiance thirty one Mail had been together for three

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00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: and a half years. Initially we were planning to get

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00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: married this year. The last year we bought an apartment,

662
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: so we didn't have money even for the ring. Miley face.

663
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: I also gained a lot of weight due to stress

664
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: from work, reconstruction and our finance situation. So for all

665
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: these reasons we postpone our engagement. My fiance gets on

666
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: very well with my family, especially with both my brothers.

667
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: They always have a blast together. By the way, this

668
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: comes from Roz Marca and if you want to speak

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Speaker 2: your own stories, go to the r sized Okay storytime subrededit.

670
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: I'm Riley, I'm Sophia, and I'm Keon and Opie says.

671
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: My brother, Mail thirty is a firefighter and his girlfriend,

672
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: female twenty eight, is a medical student. They started dating

673
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: approximately two years ago. It's my brother's first love, so

674
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: he's completely enamored. All my family loved her at first

675
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: because she seemed nice and smart. They got engaged the

676
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: last September, and they said they would have a long

677
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: engagement because she needs to finish her studies. This February,

678
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: we found out that the company where me and my

679
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: significant other work will shut down in quarter two of

680
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Oh no, this is actually good news

681
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: for us.

682
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: Oh good because it gave.

683
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: Us a time frame for everything interesting.

684
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: Okay cool.

685
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: This year, we will finish our flat, including the future

686
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: child's bedroom, get married in twenty twenty six, and right

687
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: after the wedding we will start trying for a baby.

688
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: If everything goes well, we'll leave the company with severance

689
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: and I'll continue on maternity leave. We know it may

690
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: not go as plan regarding the child, but the rest

691
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 2: is said. Time I visited family, I happily share the news,

692
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: and my brothers shared that they set their wedding date

693
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: for the end of September of twenty twenty six. I

694
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: thought nothing of it at first and just made a

695
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: mental note that our wedding should be at least three

696
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: months apart, so we didn't clash. But in the evening

697
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: we had dinner, me brother, sister in law, and our cousin,

698
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: and that's when it all started. I talked more about

699
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: the plan and sister in law started telling me that

700
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: I shouldn't get pregnant so soon, that I need to

701
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: lose weight first.

702
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: What that's No, that's not how that works.

703
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: Wrong.

704
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: I just said I didn't want to wait too long

705
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: because I'm getting older, and that my way is a

706
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: topic between me and my doctor, who supports my plan.

707
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: She frowned and told me that in that case, I

708
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 2: need to stop taking antidepressants now.

709
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: Wrong.

710
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: Okay, magic kid, Yeah, Oh I didn't know you were doctor.

711
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: Oh nice? Can I see your degrees?

712
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

713
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: I didn't know. Oh, I didn't know we had a

714
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: doctor Opie's sister in law every year.

715
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: I just stir to her psychiatry. One on one is

716
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: that you cannot go cold Turkey with antidepressants. It would

717
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: cause me to spiral and subsequently make me unable to

718
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: get safely pregnant, and would increase the chances of postpartum

719
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: depression and similar problems. Honestly, it felt like a sabotage attempt.

720
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: She continued talking about fertility issues, but I stopped her, saying,

721
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: we know it can be problematic, but I have my

722
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: doctors and we can always become cat parents if needed.

723
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: My brother then told me that he doesn't think it's

724
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: a good idea for us to get married the same year,

725
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: but didn't explain why. We left the restaurant awkwardly, and

726
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: I wondered where the brother got that idea.

727
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder who was whispering in his ear when

728
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: he was sleeping?

729
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: Does that work?

730
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: I don't know.

731
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try it. Should get married, should make a

732
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: breakfast guess tasty. Later I texted him to find out

733
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: where the problem was, and this responsible was that they

734
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: wanted the attention for the whole year and that it

735
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: would be easier for our families to help financially with

736
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: just one wedding per year. This all happened in February,

737
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: where everyone's gonna get married in the following year.

738
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: You don't have DIBs on the year. You can't have

739
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: the whole year. Why don't you postpone your wedding.

740
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 2: I don't even think the brother really cares.

741
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever the wife wants or fiance.

742
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: I was heartbroken and spent weeks trying to find a solution.

743
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: My first thought was to help them with money, but

744
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: then I realized that they have money for travel, skiing

745
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: to the Alps, vacation in Greek ten days of Vietnam,

746
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: plan trips to London and Austria. My second plan was hullo,

747
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: but I truly want my father to walk me down

748
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: the aisle. You can walk you to the courthouse, you

749
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: can walk you to the airport. In the end of July,

750
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: we found our date fourth of July, and I went

751
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: to explain the reasoning to my brother. We wanted to

752
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 2: get married this year already, and wanted to be married

753
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: before we started trying to conceive. He seemed to understand,

754
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: but told me if they thought it would be nice

755
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: for them to be first and would like us to

756
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: have a wedding in the same year later.

757
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 3: No, they said, we agree, but we want to be birds.

758
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: Please please pick where you want to eat. It's all

759
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: I'm asking here. Yeah, yeah, I feel like even if

760
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: you decided not to get married, he would have a

761
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: problem with it.

762
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd be like, well, now.

763
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: You make it all about yourself because you're not getting married.

764
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: Such a drama, queen, Get over it.

765
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: Like, my younger brother's probably gonna get married before I do. Like, okay, good,

766
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: that's his life. He gets big, I know, because it's

767
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: an older brother. He wants get married first and be

768
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: like I'm the first one.

769
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 3: Boy.

770
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: It literally does not matter.

771
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: It doesn't it don't matter. Everyone gets married on their

772
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: own timelines or not at all. You don't want to

773
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: be married.

774
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Hey, it's Sean here.

775
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to this episode.

776
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: But a quick three minute break with the as form

777
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: our sponsors, so like suddenly it would be a burden

778
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: for the family. I was clear that we will not

779
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: have a December wedding because it's already a hectic a

780
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: month and the weather is awful, and if they want

781
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: us to be second, they should choose an earlier date.

782
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: He understood, and we continued talking about honeymoon plans. When

783
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: our significant others joined us, I did a quick recap

784
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: for my sister in law so she could understand. Or

785
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: her reaction was only and what if you can't get pregnant,

786
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: then she.

787
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: Don't get pregnant and they figure it out, they adopt cats.

788
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: We've already talked about.

789
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: Is none of your menace?

790
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: And then she excused herself to the bathroom. Later we

791
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: found out she didn't just leave the room, but our

792
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: house and city altogether.

793
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: She excused herself to the bathroom and then like left

794
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: the state.

795
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Huh okay, what good Ritish?

796
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: She just needed some air, guys, good.

797
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I was just feeling really closed her

798
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: bubback and there she.

799
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 4: Just figured just free will and she's like, I could

800
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: leave the city.

801
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 3: I can just leave.

802
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: I forget I have free will sometimes, Yeah, I could

803
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 2: we just leave right now. My brother went after her,

804
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: and he came back when he said that he doesn't

805
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: know what to do.

806
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: How do you take I don't know where she is.

807
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I think she she took the car.

808
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: I think she went home trying here. Oh, she's in Nevada.

809
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 2: Can you guys give me a red home?

810
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: You give me a ride home? I guess I could

811
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 3: take an uber.

812
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: I propose that he talked to her and maybe changed

813
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: their date while we also change hours still later, although

814
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: our primary date is perfect for us and especially for

815
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: my fiance his family, because I was so sorry for him.

816
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: He looks so sad and he's my little brother. Okay,

817
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: he's a little brother. He doesn't get to choose when

818
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: he gets married. You should be telling him when to

819
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: get married.

820
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: You're getting you get married when I tell you can

821
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: get married.

822
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: We have until the end of August to make a reservation.

823
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: Now I'm having doubts. Am I wrong? You get married

824
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: the same year and before them we have an update? No,

825
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: why does it matter what your brothers matter?

826
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: We've had stories where people get married like two weeks apart.

827
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: Those are crazy. You're just getting married in the same year.

828
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: He doesn't own the year.

829
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a family with where two twins and

830
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: another sister all got married within the same half of

831
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: the year February May, and I think one in July

832
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: that year it was, And then that family also moved

833
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: to like another city.

834
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: I think we should all plan our weddings to be

835
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: in the summer. Boom boom boom, like May, June, July.

836
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: Aug how about just May till Lie August.

837
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: Here we go go May, July, September.

838
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, June can't. We can't do I'm not You're right.

839
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: What was it thinking? And we just keep getting weeks off?

840
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I was like, oh, we can't get to work, guys,

841
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: we got another wedding, weddings.

842
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: Sorry, Sorry, my wedding's today.

843
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 4: I gotta go o my Honeymoonsville.

844
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: Alright, sorry, I'll be out and you get back from

845
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: your honeymoon. I gotta go to another weddings. Sorry. Update

846
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: after my first post and much needed validation, I called

847
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: my mom and ensure there's no hinted agenda and to

848
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: get some advice on how to proceed with my brother

849
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: going forward so it doesn't affect my family. And I

850
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: found out that I'm okay and you were right about

851
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: sister in law entering rides to left territories.

852
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: Long since entered she's been, she's a citizen there. She's

853
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: the mayor of Bridezilla Town. That's where she was going

854
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: when she left her house.

855
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: I went to bridezilla town and they knew you.

856
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I sent someone a picture it said I went

857
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: to salute station and everyone knew you. It was a

858
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: picture of this thing that said it was like an

859
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: actual place, and it said that it's pretty funny.

860
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: I love that. That is beautiful. The good news is

861
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: they're not bow mathing us or overly trying to get

862
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: our mom to support their need to be first. But

863
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: here are some highlights. My brother told her they would

864
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: like me to get married after them, and she just

865
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: told them if that's the case, they should find a

866
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: sooner date. They cannot get a sooner date because the

867
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: bride's mother threatened she will not come if the wedding

868
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: is prior to the bride's graduation. She wants to have

869
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: it very traditional, meaning she expects my divorced parents to

870
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: sit down together with her side of the family and

871
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: decide who will pay for what and who will take

872
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: care of the organization. It was not a nice request,

873
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: it was a demand.

874
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: And then you say stop demanding things for me my day.

875
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: There we go. Sister in law is bowed mathing our

876
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: parents and try to convince my brother that they're bad

877
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: at parenting and that our family is weird. Like, yeah,

878
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: we are weird, and our parents made mistakes, but we

879
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: are loved, never went without, and they did a heck

880
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: of a good job supporting us individually. Brother, you need

881
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: to start thinking about it if you want to get

882
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: married to this woman. Yeah, do you even want to

883
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: spend Christmases at the mother in law's house?

884
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: You know, No, you can get married her, but I'd

885
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 3: be concerned about it her family and how much contact

886
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: you'd have with them.

887
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: True, but it seems like sister in law has a

888
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: little bit of those tendencies because she's bad mouthing the

889
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: brother's family. Now, yeah, oh he's family, lay off my family.

890
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: But no one can say a word against her mother,

891
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: who she's probably codependent on. And I once heard her

892
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: say Hitler was right about some things, like getting rid

893
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: of the gees slerss.

894
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta also add that to the slur deck. Yikes. Yikes?

895
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: What yep? And I bet you they all have blonde

896
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: air and blue eyes and they want to make sure

897
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: that it stays that way.

898
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yikes, that's why they're so caught up on you

899
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: having a baby. Ooh wow.

900
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: A pattern. Every time we have a family launch party anything,

901
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: brother and Cicelon are always at least an hour late,

902
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: and they already ate at their grandma's. My brother was

903
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: always on time for everything prior to this relationship, and

904
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: they know the food is always planned with them in mind.

905
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: I see it as some kind of power move. Our

906
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: wedding culture is different than in the US. We are atheists.

907
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: Having a wedding party is very unusual, and the couple

908
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: usually pays for the wedding themselves. In the end, they

909
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: receive money as wedding gifts to ease the cost of

910
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: the wedding for whatever they want. It could be argued

911
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: that in the past, the groom's family paid for the wedding,

912
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: but there was also a dowry from the bride's family

913
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: at those times, so overall it doesn't look good. I

914
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: was also told that my mom's husband didn't like her

915
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: from the beginning because he was worried she will get

916
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: him into debt. He's pissed by their demands and there

917
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: were some comments like if they were so traditional, how

918
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: come they lived together before marriage. Bear in mind, he's

919
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: the only one in our family who's sort of well off,

920
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: and he has always been very supportive of us, especially

921
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: my brothers, shared love for cars and so on. Mom

922
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: is worried about him too, but in the end, it's

923
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: his choice.

924
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: Yikes. I mean, yeah it is, but I'd be worried too.

925
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: I'm sorry anyone whose mom says that, I'd be like, bro,

926
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 3: oh my mom said what and how do you feel

927
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 3: about that? Sweetie? But uh, that's pretty brother, brother, wake

928
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: up literally, unless she's like, oh my god, my mom's terrible.

929
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 3: You know, I don't agree with her on anything, then

930
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: maybe we should limit contact. But if she doesn't say

931
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: anything about like if you guys were there and she

932
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: said that and this daughter wasn't to me like, that's

933
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: an incredibly awful thing.

934
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: What oh right now, I'm letting it go. I didn't

935
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: even ask If my parents will go with their demand,

936
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: none of my business. We will pay for our day

937
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: and don't expect any gifts or money. This will also

938
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: be written on invitations and we will probably need no help.

939
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: It's going to be a very simple celebration. Any closing

940
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: thoughts to this episode, keyon Sophia, ooh.

941
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: Uh, watch out, watch out, and don't let anyone tell

942
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: you when you can app your wedding.

943
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: Yep, even if it's your little if you're.

944
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: Longer brother, especially if it's a little brother.

945
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, hey, little bro, wake up, wake up, wake.

946
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: Up for real, Op says. I will call my brother

947
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: as usual so he knows I'm here for him if needed,

948
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: but will not talk about this topic at all. We

949
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: do not communicate with sister in law, and if she

950
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: attends my upcoming birthday, I will avoid her. Me and

951
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: my fiance are very well. We are enjoying our time together.

952
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: And since we have waited until September first for registration

953
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: with the city council for our date and only then

954
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: make reservations, we're in a little limbo because we cannot

955
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: make any other moves without the date. I don't expect

956
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: any updates at least until we send out the invitations.

957
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: But hopefully they will just accept it.

958
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: Oh, ma'am's man, I hope they just accept it.

959
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, ully B that is wild.

960
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: Good luck with the family gatherings, Yeah.

961
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: Dude, good luck. Well, guys, that's the end of that episode,

962
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: So if you love us, make sure to subscribe We

963
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: love you and see it tomorrow.