WEBVTT - The Making of "KARMA" 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:04.560 You're listening to Jojo See One Now with me, Jojo 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:11.039 Siua and iHeartRadio Podcast. Welcome back to Jojo Sewa. Now, 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.120 oh my gosh, we are First of all, we are back. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.120 We were back in California. I am back in La 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.920 came home from Atlanta, had a great time there filming 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.880 So You Think You Can Dance. It was genuinely such 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.440 an interesting experience. I mean, everyone asked like, oh, did 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.120 you like Atlanta? Did you like Atlanta? And I was like, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.320 I loved Atlanta, but I think I loved living alone 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.479 for the first time. And so I was like, I 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.159 don't know if it was Atlanta itself that I liked 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.239 or if it was the vibe of me being there 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:42.960 alone that I liked. I was like, I don't really know, 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.440 but I did like it and I did have a 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.559 great time. And now now the season of So You 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.560 Think You Can Dance has been airing. I'm gonna start 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.720 being on it very very soon, either this week or 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.720 next week, depending on the airing schedule, which I am 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.520 very very excited about. We are getting into the top ten. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:05.399 The I mean, they are absolutely incredible, they are so amazing. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.960 I'm doing new new music projects right now, and we're 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.120 in the process of creating our next visual and you know, 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.520 when you're creating visual, you're hiring a bunch of dancers. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.280 And literally the first ten dancers on my list was 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:20.040 the top ten of So You Think You Can Dance, 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.560 because I got to know them for the last few 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.200 weeks and I got to I got to see their 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.480 work ethic and I truly want to give them the 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.760 opportunity and I just I'm so proud of them. I 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.640 can't wait for everyone to see the season. You know, 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.080 we did it. We're not live, it's it's it's definitely 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.000 pre taped, and so I of course know the results, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.560 I know what ended up happening, and I know every 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.360 week to week of So You Think, but it every 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:48.520 single day, every single week was so inspiring as an artist, 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.280 so inspiring as a dancer, and so inspiring as a judge. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.080 I mean seeing seeing what the dancers did and the 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.840 work they put in and the process for them was 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.880 was truly awesome. And now now the show's done and 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.880 been able to become friends with some of the some 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.840 of the top ten, you know, it's really cool to 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.320 see their perspective on everything. The new format is incredible. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.200 Some people are having mixed reviews about the format. Personally, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.160 I love it. I don't think I don't think the 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.080 world has seen enough of the new format yet to 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.040 be familiar with it, and so I think once the 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.919 world does get to see the new format more, they're 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.400 gonna really enjoy it. And I'm very excited for that. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:31.359 But anyways, while I was in Atlanta, I had an 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.760 incredible meeting with my team over at my music label, Columbia, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.600 and they gave me the green light that it was 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:48.359 time for Karma, my very first song to come out. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:54.480 I am beyond excited. I have known since October twenty now, 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.520 maybe even a little bit before that, maybe like September 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.480 September twenty twenty three, that this was going to be 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:03.120 my first song out. We're gonna go down memory lane, 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.480 way way down today and then I'm going to do 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.120 another podcast where I talk about the visual aspect of 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.000 Karma and how all that was created. But I did 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.560 find out in September that Karma was going to be 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.800 the first song. This was the song that I wanted 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.600 to come first. We do have a lot of songs 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.520 done and a lot of songs in the bank, and 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.280 a lot of music that is ready to come out, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.560 but I knew I wanted this first one to be 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.560 a moment, so I always wanted Karma. And then finally 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.720 in September, got the green light that it was going 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.840 to be Karma, and I got to run with my 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.600 music video concept, go for it, create the visual, do 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.160 exactly what I wanted to do. And then we still 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.760 didn't know necessarily timeline wise, when it was going to 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.400 come out. And then while I was living in Atlanta, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.360 found out that it was going to be coming out 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:50.280 and I got the official date, I got the official 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:53.240 green light, and I was just so happy, so excited, 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:58.280 so ready for this new world, new era, new chapter, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.520 I think is probably the best word. And to truly 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.840 become the musician and the artists that I've always wanted 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.800 to be. You know, I always have loved my career. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.720 I've loved doing kids music, being a kids before and 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.760 I loved that, But I knew that I wanted to 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.920 be like Lady Gaga, like Miley Cyrus, like Freddy Mercury. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.880 That was always my goal. And so to now be 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.840 able to tap into this adult out there, crazy, no 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.640 holding back, unrestrained, that world is all of my dreams 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:31.000 coming true, and I'm so stoked about that. Anyways, though, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.880 now we gotta go way back in time so I 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.520 can give you the rundown on how Karma came to be. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.720 I'm gonna go even a little bit for the back 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.240 that I was planning on. So right before I did 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.720 the final leg, the fifth and final leg of Dream 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.239 the Tour, all of my music was done through myself 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.440 and through Nickelodeon, right, and that was great. We kind 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.920 of it was very interesting. Nickelodeon is not a record 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.000 label necessarily, but they had the tools to help me 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.080 make music right. And so with my full three sixty 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.240 that I had in Nickelodeon, it did make a lot 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:06.960 of sense. We made a lot of great music. It 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:11.159 was awesome. But then when I did when I did 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.480 my movie The j Team, that is when my music 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:19.200 relationship with Nickelodeon got very, very rocky. Up until about 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.839 two weeks before the filming of the movie, they wanted 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:24.960 to put all of my old music in the movie, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.919 which I understood and if it was a movie, that 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.640 would make sense. But because it was a musical, I 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.880 really I felt strongly that it needed to have its 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.719 own music, and it felt like we were writing this 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:41.159 movie but then trying to make my old songs make sense. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.960 But then the old songs didn't make sense, and you know, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.440 those songs at the time were four or five years old. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:47.839 And I was like, if we're gonna make a musical, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.800 we gotta we gotta make a musical. And so then 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.720 about two weeks before they were like, okay, we can 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.400 do new songs. And so then it was just a 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.320 speed mission and it was it was very tough to 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.719 get everything done. We did it while we were filming 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:00.720 the movie. We didn't have this song is done and 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.880 so that was very hard because we were filming with 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.920 demos and it was very very complicated. A lot of 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.320 people worked over time, including myself, but it was it 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.359 was worth it because we got we got the music 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.920 of our dreams. But could have been done a little 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:19.400 a little kinder, I guess. Anyways, so after after the 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.280 j team, I did have one remaining chunk of tour, 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:28.280 my Dariam tour to fulfill. We had already sold the 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.800 tickets but they were going to be I was going 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.120 to be on tour in twenty twenty, but then, of course, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.440 you know, COVID happened, and so the tour kept getting pushed, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.159 push pushed. At this point in time, it is like 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.240 mid twenty twenty one, and I wanted Dream the tour 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.359 to happen still. I was never going to give that 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.080 up no matter when that happened. And I was like, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:47.640 I don't care if we do it in twenty twenty six, 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.919 I don't cancel it. Like, just keep pushing it. We 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:54.000 will be fine. But I knew after that I didn't 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.680 want to have any more music obligations with the network. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.320 That was that for me was like I want to 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.120 do that. I want that to be amazing, But then 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.560 after that, I want to be done and I want 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.920 to be able to go on my own and go 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.280 do my own music and go start this process because 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.960 there was no there was no knew that was gonna happen, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.640 and I knew that, and so I was like, let's 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.200 be able to start to work on new things right. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.760 So then we were able to work it out. I 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.080 was supposed to be under my music contract for another 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.080 year year and a half with Nickelodeon, but we worked 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.200 it out. We gave them some sweet stuff in one lane, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:28.840 and I got that in the other lane. And so 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.480 ended up working out that I could go and start 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.200 working on my own music, and I met with every 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.680 record label. I was so grateful that literally all the 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:42.920 all the record labels wanted to take a meeting with me, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.360 and I wanted to take a meeting with them, of course. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.600 And after meeting with all of them, Columbia was just 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.000 was my home and I knew it. I knew that 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.240 those people were my people. I felt the vibe and 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.760 it just it felt so right. And so that was 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.160 in the end of twenty twenty one. I'm I'm probably 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.120 gonna mess up some timelines, but that's okay. And then 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.360 when I was on tour final leg of Dream the 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.640 Tour in twenty twenty two, my core team from Colombia, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:12.920 I had not signed with them yet. They came to 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.360 tour and they came to one of my shows and 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.640 after the show, we met in a VIP room. Had 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.440 got to meet all of them in person. They loved 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.760 the show, and that is where they brought my contract 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.440 and I actually signed a paper copy. Normally nowadays you 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.320 just kind of signed a digital copy and call it today, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.280 but we did a whole spectacle. I signed with them. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.800 It was awesome. It was the best day ever. And 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.400 it was like here we go, let here we go. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:40.480 And the President of Colombia, Hey, Ron Perry, he came 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.000 to the show. And like, now, at the time, I 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.120 didn't know what it meant to have Ron Perry come 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.720 to your show. But now now looking back, I'm like, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:53.160 holy shit, Ron Perry came to my Dream the tour. Okay, okay, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:09:04.000 I will take it. So then it was go time. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.600 The next week, they sent me some song demos and 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.760 I liked them all. One of the song demos I 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.120 actually actually still really liked to this day. And that 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.200 was that was two years ago. You know, they sent me. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.400 I actually should revisit one of those that they sent me. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:21.720 They sent me this one that was too scary for 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.120 me at the time, but now I actually think it 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.040 might be perfect. Oh I got a text ready after this. Anyways, anyways, 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.360 back to what I was talking about. So send me 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:30.959 a bunch of song demos and I loved them all. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.760 Put my voice on a couple of them. Whatever, chilling 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.520 move on. Then then I go and I do a 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.719 couple of recording sessions. This it was fresh off of 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.120 Dream the Tour. So I ended Dream the tour in March, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.360 and I started my recording sessions with Columbia and with 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.240 other producers and writers. I started that in March twenty 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.280 twenty two as well. So this has been two years 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.160 now of making this music and now it's finally starting 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:58.800 to see the light of day. It's been a long, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.079 long two years waiting and holding it in and Karma 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.960 actually started in the beginning. Karma was not the first 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.720 one that I did, but it was one of the 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:12.160 first few that I did. I got pitched another song 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.840 that I really really like, and it's a it's a 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.720 very ballad, it's a power ballad. It's an incredible song. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.800 And I got to it's with the music producers rock Mafia, 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:24.960 and they pitched this song to me and I loved it. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.120 I was like, sign me up, I will be there, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.640 right And so then what happened was this song is 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.280 it's a bit of a love song but also a 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.959 bit of a breakup love song, but it's it's it's 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.080 essentially the song in the context is you're still in 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.800 a relationship, but you're not okay, and that is kind 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.680 of the context of the song. And the day that 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.920 I was supposed to record that song is when I 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.079 went through my breakup and with my ex, and it 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.280 was very, very hard. It was our second time breaking up, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.880 and so it was somehow it was harder than the first. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.400 We had started dating again and that's when I got 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.440 pitched a song and I loved it, like didn't even 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.520 think twice about the story behind it. But then the 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.040 day that I was supposed to record it is the 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.280 day that we broke up, and I called. I called 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:10.719 my label and I was like, I can't go to day, 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.319 like I haven't stopped sobbing, I can't go. And my 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.080 label was like totally fine, like understandable, we'll make it work, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.640 we'll cancel. And then somehow something else really sad. I 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.520 don't remember what the second thing was, but it was 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.640 almost like maybe like we had started talking again for 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.920 the third time, and then we stopped talking again. And 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.559 that also happened. On the next day that I was 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:36.040 supposed to record this slow ballid breakup heardbreak situational song 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.439 and I was like I can't go again, like I'm 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.360 too sad, like I can't do it. And this time 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.000 my label was like, you need to go, and I 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.079 was like, why I can't go? And they're like, because 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.120 look at the emotion you have right now, go put 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.439 it into the song. And I was like, you know, right, okay, 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.560 I'll go. So I go and I go, and this 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.760 recording session is fine. It's not It's not the best, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.720 but it's not the worst. And then as I'm the producer, 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:03.760 Anthonyinna goes, I have a song that I want to 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.600 play for you. It feels right for you. I don't 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.320 know if you can have it because it's it's an 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.360 old song, and I have to get a lot of 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:11.880 rights and I have to get a lot of people 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.800 to sign off on you being able to do this song. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.560 But I think you might be the person to have 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.280 this song. And she played me Karma or a version 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.400 of Karma. And when I tell you, I was on 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.199 my way out, ready to go sob in my car, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.520 and all of a sudden, I just sat and was like, 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:33.800 this song is special. Karma is special. Now. This was 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.480 two years ago, so I was I was eighteen still, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.800 and I was very afraid of the lyrics of Karma. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.200 I wasn't ready to say I was a bad girl. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.160 I wasn't ready to say I should have known better. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.200 If I had wish I would have never fed around 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.319 another late night, another crazy mood, and I didn't think 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.720 twice what it would do to you. I didn't. I 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.840 didn't feel comfortable saying that yet. I didn't feel comfortable 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.840 singing that yet. But I told her, I said, this 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.920 song is special. I want it, but it can't be. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.640 It's never, never gonna be my first song. I was like, 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.240 And I remember saying that. I was like, it's never 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.120 gonna be my first song because it's too much. I 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.760 was like, but but yes, like I want it and 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.600 it'll eventually see the light of day with me. And 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.120 this is when I was planning on my music coming 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:17.400 out in two months. Little did I know it was 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.800 gonna be two years. Anyways, So cut to I put 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.560 my voice on it and we sing it as it 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.200 is now, and this is the lyric saying I was 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.160 a bad girl. I did some bad things and we 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.600 sing it and I'm like, you know, I can't be 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.599 the bad guy. I'm not. I'm not I'm not a 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.120 bad girl. I can't be. And so then we did 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.800 a version where you were a bad girl, and I 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.240 was like, it's not hitting. Let's try she she is 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.240 a bad girl. And I was like, that's the one. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.160 I love it. Then it's about anybody. And then cut 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.640 to a couple of months later, we go and we 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.440 do a secondary recording session on Karma because my voice 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.280 had changed a little bit, expanded, shrank, a little bit 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.640 of both, and so we were like, let's do another one. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.480 And I was like, you know what, I'm ready to 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.439 say I was a bad girl. I'm ready to say 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.800 I did some bad things. I'm ready. I'm ready. And 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:09.040 this was only six months later, and so then we decided, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:10.360 we were like, all right, we're gonna stick to the plan. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.640 We're gonna do I was a bad girl. And still 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.880 with this song, I still didn't think it was gonna 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.160 be my first I still wasn't ready for it to 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.360 be the first song that was gonna see the light 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:25.080 of day. And then cut to December twenty twenty two. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.440 December twenty twenty two, I was like, all right, I've 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.240 been doing music now for a whole year. I've got 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.360 lots of songs in my back pocket, none of them 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.760 are finished, but like, let's make a game plan. And 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.520 I made I made it one hundred and sixty page 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.920 document that I brought to my label and was like, 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.920 here's the order, here's the songs, here's a video coordinating 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.160 to each song. Here's what the wardrobes I want to be. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.480 Here's what I want the tour to look like. And 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.200 I mean I pitched everything to the nines. We still 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.160 laugh about it to this day, because I mean I 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.960 really did my big one, pitching the whole whole plan 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.160 for twenty plus songs, and everyone at this I was like, Okay, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.120 this is great, but like, no one's ready for this yet, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.880 And I was like, right, I just wanted everyone to know, 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.760 like this where my head's at. And look, it was valid. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.880 And somehow in twenty twenty three, at the very end 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.840 in twenty twenty two, at the very end of that year, 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.360 somewhere in there, I did decide that, look, I want 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.680 karma to come first. I want the first words that 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.120 the world hears from me as an adult to be 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.680 I was a bad girl. I think there's power in that. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.640 I think it gives the flip that I want to give. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.120 I think it gives the art that I want to give. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.200 Take with it what you will. Am I a bad girl? 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.640 Am I good girl? You will never ever ever know? 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.800 But it's art. And that's all I want to do, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.400 is all I want to do is create art. I 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.560 want to create music that people can dance to, that 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.800 people can enjoy, that people don't take too seriously. Do 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.800 I have stories that can relate to this song, Absolutely, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.680 one hundred percent, but that's up to the viewer and 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:04.440 the listener to decide. But I ultimately and I'm really 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:05.840 excited to do the podcast where I get to talk 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:10.120 about my video vision because a massive part about why 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.360 I wanted Karma to come first was because of my 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.600 video concept that I have. It was the first music 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.360 video that I came up with out of all of 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.280 my songs, this was number one, and I came up 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.760 with it, and I came up with it at the 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.080 very end of twenty twenty two, and we didn't make 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.080 it until the very end of twenty twenty three, but 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.480 that same idea stuck around, and so get ready that 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.800 podcast will come next week where I deep dive into that. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.920 And it's also coming out a little bit before the 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.840 music video comes out, so if you listen right away, 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.240 you will get to hear a little insider on the 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.320 music video before you see it. But anyways, so then 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.800 cut to twenty twenty three. Somehow in twenty twenty three, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.360 I did four more recording sessions on Karma. We had 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.160 six sessions on Karma. We had versions of Karma. We 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.120 had different structures of Karma. I mean the bridge then 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.200 when I lay me down, sad is anybody next to me? 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:01.080 That whole part that was originally on one note that 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.720 was it was a flat monotone note, and it took 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.320 so long to record. We did a session just on that. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.920 So because you know, it's it's it's hard to get 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.040 your voice to stick on one note on one breath 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.879 for the whole line. It's it's it's tricky, but we 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.800 have ended ended up getting it. And then we're like, mmm, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.000 needs a little sway to it, and so then we 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:19.800 added a little bit of sway to it, and then 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.399 you know, there's parts of Karma. The thing with Karma 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.120 is as a song musically, it is at the top 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.960 of my range that when I saw the pix of 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.000 you and her, I felt the knife to us. That's 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.080 the top of my range. And I was a beg girl. 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.600 That's the bottom of my range. And so we had 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.760 to stretch my voice. We had to do days where 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.639 we did the low stuff days where we did the 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.159 high stuff days where it was like just scream to 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.600 get your voice there, like it was. It was not easy, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.040 but I am very, very proud of the song that 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.919 it has become. I remember hearing it back for the 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.360 first time and being like, damn, like that's a record, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:02.000 that that song is is that song is a record? 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.320 And then and then we decided that we needed to 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.720 change the production, whole production, We need to give it 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.479 to it. We did just you know, a revamp, revamp 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.280 because the song was originally the song was ten years old, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.959 and so we did all feel like it it was 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.800 not outdated, but sound wise it felt you know, dated, 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.960 and so we were like, all right, let's let's let's 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.840 change it up a bit. And then it felt to 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.760 today and we were like absolutely not. This never got 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.040 no no way. So then it was a lot of 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.719 trial and air and trial and Aaron trying this, trying that, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.919 trying this, trying that all. So I mean, we I 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.200 think this is version like twenty eight or twenty nine 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.199 of Karma in the production sense. Up until the very 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.880 very last week. The song goes and it gets mastered. Okay, oh, 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.919 this is actually kind of funny. This is so, this 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.000 is a story that'll end this podcast on. But so, 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:58.800 we were filming the music video right and I realized 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:03.640 about midway in through this last day of the music 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.480 video shoot that I gave everyone the wrong version. It's 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.359 my duty to send the direct to the version, to 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.440 send playback the version, to send the choreographer the version 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.000 of my duty, and I picked it up. I sent 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.000 them the wrong one. We have twenty eight versions of this. 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.520 Luckily I sent them number twenty six, not twenty eight, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.080 and then it could have been worse, like it could 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.840 have been I sent number four, you know what I mean. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.320 But what happened was then my label, after we shot 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.240 the video videos done, did all the ad libs that 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.879 were in the version that I sent. But then what 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.200 happened was my label sent me the final version and 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.720