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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Ticket to the Draft. It's day

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Speaker 1: two of the combine and we've got cornerbacks, those sports

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Speaker 1: safeties and in the safety group there's a safety who

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Speaker 1: got comped to Christian McCaffrey. What's that about? Stay tuned

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Speaker 1: fired them about these dynamic playmakers and how they can

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Speaker 1: help the Commanders. And then we have exalted guests Trevor

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Speaker 1: Sikhama talking quarterbacks and wide receivers. Some interesting names pop

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Speaker 1: up and how those names can help this team. It

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Speaker 1: all starts right out. Welcome on int the Ticket to

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Speaker 1: the Draft for Zeta Bayziki, the official primary ticketing partner

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Speaker 1: of the Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here with just

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Speaker 1: the guy Jason, and we are wrapping day two. Jason,

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Speaker 1: first guys in and what were we the last guys

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Speaker 1: out today? Two days in a row Man rolled on

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Speaker 1: the ford once again.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of media there not watching all the drills.

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Speaker 2: But we love our Commanders fans. We want to give

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Speaker 2: them every bit of information is possible for the Suction Draft.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna see every single cut. We're gonna see

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Speaker 1: And that sounds like that's that sounds like it might

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Speaker 1: be hyperbolic. But for two days in a row, we

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Speaker 1: have literally watched the first forty, which is the first

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Speaker 1: thing they do to the last positional drill, every single day.

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Speaker 1: So it is. It's been a long day, a lot

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Speaker 1: of time watching football a lot of guys.

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Speaker 2: I love football.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Just love football.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yes, And just to clear up, we do

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Speaker 1: have some housekeeping stuff we got to clear up from yesterday. Right,

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Speaker 1: we had a guy, the UB linebacker who tested off

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Speaker 1: the charts. We couldn't say his name. You couldn't say

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Speaker 1: his name. What is his name? Let's give that guy

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Speaker 2: Yes, I said I would find out what his name is.

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Speaker 2: I grabbed the pronunciation sheet and right before we started

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Speaker 2: recording this podcast, we debated for about five minutes what

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Speaker 2: how to say this? And I think we came up

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Speaker 2: with this. All right, at a Foo one like it, Ulafotio.

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Speaker 1: I'm in on that U linebacker testing really well at Ulafocio.

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Speaker 1: There are your flowers? Yeah, crushed it. So that's the

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Speaker 1: one thing from yesterday. Everything else was perfect for this.

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Speaker 2: Was a perfect pot. Yeah. Hey, I you didn't listen

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Speaker 2: to yesterday's pod, please go back and listen because we

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Speaker 2: also had field Yates on there.

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Speaker 1: Yes we did.

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Speaker 2: It was excellent. He is the host of the First

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Speaker 2: Draft Back podcast with ESPN and mel kiper Junior. Excellent

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Speaker 2: podcast that.

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Speaker 1: That is also recapping the defensive line, defensive ends, defensive tackles,

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Speaker 1: and linebackers, which are both needs for the Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and speaking of guests, at the end of

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Speaker 2: this podcast, Logan, you got to sit down with PFF's

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Speaker 2: Trevor Sikamau, who is now an honorary member. Yes, an

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Speaker 1: Yes. N. He done such a good job going through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and for some reason he really enjoys talking with us,

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Speaker 2: But when they say with you, he'll say something and

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Speaker 2: you'll hear it in his interview. It's not like you're

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Speaker 1: A great job. Absolutely, all right, some news, Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just going to react real quickly to this logan.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get your opinion on it, and I

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Speaker 1: I mean a little surprising, but I guess for people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we talked about this when we saw it.

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Speaker 2: the combine today. Well we saw it is our DB's,

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Speaker 2: very good, Yeah, whereas Mitchell ran a very fast forty

434
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 2: I think it was the second fastest behind Wiggins. Right,

435
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,360
Speaker 2: and his drill work, while not bad by any stretch,

436
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 2: you could tell, is just just a little bit less

437
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,080
Speaker 2: than what Arnold doing. Is clean is what Arnold's So

438
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 2: when you look at those you're like, oh, well he's fast.

439
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 2: Well he's real clean and polished, So like, which one

440
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 2: do you take first? And that's the debate that people have, yeah,

441
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 2: right about these two, and the combine helps support what

442
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: you're seeing.

443
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think the thing with these two players

444
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 1: that's exactly right, that's one hundred percent like what the

445
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 1: combine does is it's just one guy goes, the next

446
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: guy goes, and you can kind of compare apples to apples. Right,

447
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 1: you're saying, okay, they're both doing the same thing, how

448
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: do they move? And with Quinnon, again, it just jumps

449
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 1: off the page. He is a guy that's very unique physically.

450
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: And we were talking about this a little bit when

451
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: we were watching the DVS, because there's a lot of

452
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: guys and they all look really good, but when you

453
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 1: go through them, there are guys who're like, I don't

454
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: know if that's an NFL caliber change of direction. I

455
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: don't know if he's too stiff. I don't know if

456
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 1: he's too slow, but it isn't an NFL thing, right.

457
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: And with Quinnon, again it's a little it's not the cleanest,

458
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: he slips a couple of times, whatever, whatever, but his

459
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: explosiveness to the football on these ball drills is incredible.

460
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: It's like having like a muscle car with this huge

461
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: engine in it. It's gonna skip when you when you

462
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: put your foot on the gas right, it's gonna skit

463
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: slide around a little bit, but it is going to

464
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: go very very Yes, that's exactly right. And then with

465
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,719
Speaker 1: TARRYA Ronald, it's just like imagine you've got everything calibrated

466
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: correctly in your car and you can get exactly where

467
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: you need to go, cut the cord of the right way.

468
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: He's got that feel and he's got a good lower

469
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: half strength that allows him to get to sink his

470
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: hips getting out of cuts. And that's exactly right. So

471
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're looking at. One is just

472
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: they've got that V eight in there and he is

473
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll. And I think he's got

474
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: good instincts and I love that, right, I think, and

475
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of coaches will love that because

476
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: you talk about things you can't coach. Can't coach that.

477
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: But with Tyran Ronald, that feel that athletic intuition is very,

478
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: very high, and that's something that I think is pretty

479
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. When you watch him in the drill work,

480
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: and again I was ready, it was so funny. As

481
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: the day went, I was like, man, you're in a

482
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 1: four or five to one. You can't take him in

483
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: the top ten anymore, Ronald. Yeah. And then when you

484
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: watch them, you watch the drills, you're like, oh, yeah,

485
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: there it is right there, it is there, it is

486
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And so I think that's that that

487
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: that kind of is the difference between those two players,

488
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: and I think, like you said, it encapsulates one of

489
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: the beauties of the combine.

490
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so give me. I want two more names.

491
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: Two names.

492
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 2: I want a guy where it was like, Okay, the

493
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: film I'm not seeing here at the combine what I'm

494
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: seeing on film like something's not quite matching up. And

495
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: that can either be like he's looking really good here

496
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: and I need to go back and look at the film,

497
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: or the film I thought he was a little more

498
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: this and I'm not seeing it here. The first one

499
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: start with that.

500
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the interesting thing is you got

501
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: the guy got like cam Hart is the first guy

502
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: I've got circle on my list, yes Notre Dame. Cornery's

503
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: six too, and he is exactly what the film shows. Right.

504
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: There's guys like that where it's like, I think he's

505
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: got he does these things well, he moves like this,

506
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: and then the combine.

507
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 2: Supports that, supports it perfectly.

508
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: There's a guy that kind of is the other way.

509
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: A guy that wasn't even on my radar was Jared

510
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: Jones from Floridest. He rubs out and runs a fourth

511
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: rate atee. So first off, you're like, who the heck

512
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: is this guy running a fourth th re eight. He

513
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: moves pretty well in the drills. You're like, all right,

514
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: that's good. Then you go. Then I went in the break,

515
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: I went and watched this film and I was like,

516
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see this with the guy before. Right, he's

517
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: playing the slot. He's kind of in this nickel and

518
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: I didn't like him because of in Florida State's defense.

519
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: They're playing all these teams that kind of spread him out.

520
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: He's not super involved. When you watch him the running

521
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: trying to run box fades on him and stuff, and

522
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: he's in lockstep right because he's got that speed. He's

523
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: competitive at taking on blocks. And I'm like, oh, there's

524
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: a guy that I wasn't aware of. Right, he kind

525
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: of just slipped like in the first go just slipped

526
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: under my radar, and you go back and say, Okay,

527
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: there there's the speed. There's a guy that feels route concepts.

528
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: He's competitive with the receivers. He's not he's not the

529
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: biggest guy in the world, but he's not afraid to

530
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of stick his nose in there. So I think

531
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: that was one that again just kind of popped off

532
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: to me because's like, oh, like I got to really

533
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: take note of this, and another guy that I thought

534
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: that was nowhere on my radar, like not even I didn't.

535
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, we make our own list, Like if we

536
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: work for a team, they call us up and they say, hey,

537
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: here's your list of twenty guys. Watch these twenty guys.

538
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: We got to kind of make our own list. Yep

539
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: is I'm gonna mess this up. De Camarion Richardson from

540
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. He ran a four to three four he's

541
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: six ' two, he's one hundred and eight eight pounds,

542
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: he's got thirty two and three eighth inch arms. His

543
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: ten was one point four eight. He's jumped thirty five inches.

544
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: He had a ten to eight broad. I don't even

545
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: know what that guy is, but you better believe I'm

546
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: gonna go look him up now because if you have that,

547
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: if you have those physical tools, talk about a guy

548
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: with a lot of horsepower. I want to see what

549
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: that looks like on film, and I'm gonna see why

550
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know about you until today. You know what

551
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So like I don't. I haven't watched him yet,

552
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: but I am gonna go watch him soon.

553
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: That is the beauty of the combine, Right. You're not

554
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: drafting somebody because of what they did.

555
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: At the combine.

556
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: What they're doing at the combine is saying, hey, I'm

557
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: either what you thought I was or just even look

558
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: at me over here, right, Like, That's what the point

559
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 2: of the combine is, right, And I think we get

560
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: caught up with that as fans. Sometimes It's like we

561
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: sit back and we see a forty and we're like, oh,

562
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: that guy, we need to draft that guy. Super fast.

563
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: It's like, no, that's not the point. The point of

564
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: the forty is to be like, either I didn't know

565
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: we could run like that, let me go look him up,

566
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 2: or yeah, he runs like that on film. That supports

567
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: why I see on film, or it doesn't. It's supposed

568
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: to be a supplementary tool. And that's a great way

569
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: of the combine doing these guys favors. Yeah right, it's

570
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: why like some of these some guys aren't gonna participate

571
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: in the combine, like some of the quarterbacks. They don't

572
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: need to be recognized, right, come to our pro da

573
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: see them. Everybody knows who we are the title. You

574
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: don't need to know anything about anything more about me,

575
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: and I don't need to show you anymore. Come to

576
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: my pro day. We'll talk, right, But there's another tight

577
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: end which we'll get to or not like that is like, hey,

578
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: you may not have seen me out here. Look what

579
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: I can do absolutely right, And it's like, oh, man,

580
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: coaches are now gms. We're gonna go turn on the tape.

581
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out who this guy is.

582
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think again, that's great, and now I'm

583
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: excited to go watch because again you're always looking for

584
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: guys that meet certain like with offensive linemen. I tell

585
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: people this all the time. I literally go to the

586
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: once the combined measurements come in and they do like

587
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: a college measurement through the prode. If you have thirty

588
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: five inch arms, I'm gonna go watch your film. That's

589
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. If you run a four to

590
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: nine as an offensive lineman and you have thirty nine

591
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: in charms, I'm gonna watch you, like because I want

592
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: to know do you meet the physical thresholds for the position? Yeah?

593
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: God doesn't make many of them correct, right, and so

594
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: we got to see what you got.

595
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's the same thing that happened

596
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: with Andre Jones last year. Like he's a guy that

597
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: when you look at how to put a pass rusher together,

598
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: he's got thirty four plus arms, so pretty long arms.

599
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: His ten was excellent before he pulled his hamstring at

600
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: the forty, so ran a great ten and then pulled

601
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: his hamstring, so no one knew about him. His jump

602
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: measurements are good at his proday, and you're like, if

603
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a flyer on somebody, it's that kind

604
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: of guy.

605
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: That's good process. Yeah, that's good scouting process here. All right.

606
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: So speaking of like the combine, having people go wait, whoa,

607
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna move on to the safeties. Safety, and I'm

608
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: going to bring up a guy. Okay, this is your guy.

609
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: This is my guy, Zioni Vaki. Now he looks smaller

610
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: than everybody that he goes to Utah, thank you. He

611
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: looks smaller than all the other safeties that are there.

612
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: He is, and he's shorter. He's a shorter guy, that's

613
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: what I mean, probably like five eleven.

614
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: He's built well, shorter twelve.

615
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: So he's like he looks good with the shirt off,

616
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: got muscles, but compared to the safeties are all like

617
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: six one six ' two. Yeah, not in that same

618
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: bom he clearly.

619
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: But this this kid when they when they were done

620
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: their safety drills, they started setting up running back drills. Well,

621
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: running backs don't.

622
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: Go yet, they're not today.

623
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: They're not today. Why is her a running back drill

624
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: set up? And this kid goes over there. They set

625
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: it up just for him.

626
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: After doing the full workout.

627
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: The full workout everything with the safeties. Yes, he goes

628
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: over and runs these drills and looks crisp like, he

629
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: looks better running those than he did in the safety drill.

630
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: But he looked good in the safety drill. We got

631
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: ourselves an athlete here, guys like, and he's he I

632
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: love that he did that. I love that they did

633
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: that for him. Where he's like, guys, give me the ball, like,

634
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: put me anywhere. I'm ready to be an NFL player.

635
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: I will. So we knew of him, and we were

636
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: excited that this was happening because you had texted me

637
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: once a couple of months ago again two am and goes, yo,

638
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: this safety look at it. Look at his running back tape.

639
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: Because the Utah the running backs, the running back they

640
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: all got hurt. So you were he walks in one

641
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: day and they didn't even know. He didn't know. And

642
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: he walks in and the coach says, hey, go to

643
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: the running back.

644
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, go to this one, he said, go to offensive meetings,

645
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: said all, I played slot receiver in high school, so

646
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: that's what they want me to do. Yeah. And then

647
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: he's in the running back meeting and he's started three

648
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: games at running back.

649
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: And look at that tape.

650
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: That is really good tape because again, the thing like

651
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: his superpower is his short area, change direction. Like when

652
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: you watch him in coverage, he's excellent. Like guys try

653
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: to ride him up, but he's so strong in his

654
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: lower half and he can change directions so quickly. He

655
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: just gloves guys up. But then you watch him run

656
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: like choice routes and options and an outside zone on offense,

657
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, this dude is a weapon. And he

658
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: only ran like a four six y five or four

659
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: six one or something like that, But I think it's

660
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: his it's his talk about an explosive I think he jumped.

661
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: He jumped forty inches something like that. He's an explosive dude.

662
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: He's an explosive guy. It just didn't show up in

663
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: the forty. But this is a guy where you're like,

664
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: this is a special athlete that could play special teams,

665
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: could maybe help you on offense, could be a value

666
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: add as like a Buffalo Nickel type guy in certain situations.

667
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: So and again we're talking late round guy here.

668
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's what I would love. I would love to

669
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: see him come to Washington in a late round. Yeah,

670
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: and we take him and we go You're going to

671
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: be a special teams juggernaut. Yeah, And we're also going

672
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: to make you a back for us. You're gonna catch

673
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: some balls. You're gonna be a nice little change of

674
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: pace with Brian Robinson and Chris Rodriguez, right, And that's

675
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do with us, And he's going to

676
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: be dynamic at that. I really think a team's gonna

677
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: get you gave me a comp.

678
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: I did give you a comp.

679
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: And we're really hyping this guy up. But this is

680
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: what he looked like. What did you look like?

681
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: He looks like Christian McCaffrey. He played safety. That's what

682
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: he looks like. Yes, like And what I mean by that,

683
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: So let's give us some context, right, is Christian McCaffrey

684
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: runs really good routes. He has a really good feel

685
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: for kind of how to double stick a guy right,

686
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of that misdirection at the top of that euro

687
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: step at the top of the route create the space

688
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: on a linebacker can beat his safety as he has to.

689
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: And when you watch Bake, he's running will routes versus USC,

690
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: he's running option routes. He sticks his foot in the

691
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: ground so hard I'm confident that most people would just

692
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: tear their acl and just bounces out of the cut

693
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: like and again, it's it's it's a green prospect, right,

694
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't play running back full time. But I see

695
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: those traits in a player, and you're like, I would

696
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: like to utilize them to make this would better?

697
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: Yes, I would like that. Yeah, all right, so my little.

698
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Your little love that guy.

699
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's the dude right now. And I

700
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't reach for him. I'm not saying I would reach one,

701
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: but for a late round guy, I'm taking a flyer

702
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: on that talent.

703
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing so. Yeah. So. And then the other

704
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: safety is the guys, maybe the bigger name guys, you know,

705
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: Jayden Hicks, Tyler Nebah. They didn't run today, but they

706
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: look pretty good in the drill work. But in terms

707
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: of guys that I just like just probably just murdered today,

708
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: like absolutely murdered it. Dorian Taylor, Demion, Demirion, Demirison, I

709
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: don't know how to say his last name.

710
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: I can't even We're gonna have to do a segment

711
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: every episode.

712
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't read my writing. I had to make

713
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: a note because he did such a good job he

714
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: played in Texas Tech. He's he's a guy in contentionion

715
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: to be the top safety of the draft, but he

716
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: runs a sub four or five point forty in all

717
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: the drills. He looks incredibly smooth. He looks in total control,

718
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: like it's exactly what you want. Like I wanted to

719
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: go back and watch this film just to remind myself

720
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: of how he was as a run player, because I

721
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: remember him being an excellent coverage player, but he was awesome,

722
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Like loved him. To John Anthony from Mississippi, I didn't

723
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: know anything about this guy, talked about a guy and

724
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: every drill his footwork was off the charts, like he

725
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: just was in col He looked like a corner right,

726
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: And so in terms of modern safety play, like you

727
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: want guys that can match up like that because of

728
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: all of the offensive receivers that are on the field

729
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: at any time. In terms of formation, Javon Bullard from

730
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Georgia is a guy that we liked from the Senior

731
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: Bowl of his and then Kylen Bullock from USC again

732
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't want to tackle a soul, but in

733
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: terms of a guy that has tremendous, tremendous ball skills

734
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: and on it the day like today where you're not

735
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: tackling anybody and you're just catching the football, that just pops.

736
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: You're like, this guy can track the football. Well, he's

737
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: got great hands, he knows had a high point the football.

738
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: And those are those are guys that you're like, nice,

739
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: good football player. He has a skill set that's very unique.

740
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: And you know what, what did Dan Quinn say? He said,

741
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: we want to find what guys can do, not what

742
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: they can't do. So maybe if you were to kind

743
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: of pick him in a later round, fourth, fifth round

744
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: and say this is your superpower, how do we maximize

745
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: that might be an interesting interesting option.

746
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, I'm a fan of Bullard from Georgia. Yeah,

747
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: because of his tape, right, and he's so violent, right

748
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: he and and that's what we're looking for on this team.

749
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: Joey Junior said that we want to do things in

750
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: a violent man. I think he kind of fits that.

751
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Bill you mentioned that too, Yeah, and then Josh Brocter

752
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: is another guy from Ohio State who had just a

753
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: when you it's so funny when these guys come up

754
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: in line, like I again, I try not to look

755
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: at the sheet and just like who is that guy?

756
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: And I know he's a big name, but he does

757
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: the drills better than everybody, and so you're like, I

758
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: like that. Another couple of things I wanted to point

759
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: out too, is just guys that are in between. We

760
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: talked about Vake and safety is an interesting group because

761
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: now you're looking for a you know, Voake is an

762
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: extreme example because he's potentially playing running back, but there's

763
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: also guys I think now in the NFL today that

764
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: are potentially big safeties that transition to kind of that

765
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: buffalo nickel linebacker role. And there were two guys that

766
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: I thought kind of fit that. Bill James Williams from Miami.

767
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: He's six ' five, I think he's two thirty. When

768
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: he does the footwork drills for safeties, he looks a

769
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: little bit heavy footed, but when you watch his film,

770
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: he is a violent, physical, downhill in the box cam

771
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Chancellor esque type of player. Obviously not that player, because yeah,

772
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: but that mindset, mindset. And then the other one is

773
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Carlisle from Missouri, and you're like, who is this guy.

774
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: He's big, old back, big muscles, but he led the

775
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: team in tackles. He had over almost two hundred tackles

776
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: of the last two seasons. So he's a guy that's

777
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: in the box, not afraid to mix it up, and

778
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: I just think, like, if you're looking for again Dan,

779
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about what he did

780
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: in Dallas with with wit there is they found uncontested space,

781
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: so they found big safeties and move them to linebacker

782
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: and it allowed them to be better in the middle

783
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: level of your defense where everybody's trying to exploit them.

784
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: So we talked about linebackers yesterday and how that position

785
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: is so challenging, So why not get guys that are

786
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: better coverage players, have a better feel for space put

787
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: them in those situations because they also have shown an

788
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: ability to be very physical in terms of tackling and

789
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: fitting runs. So those are some guys again later round

790
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: projects potentially, but have a superpower in terms of being

791
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: physical downhill run players that maybe could be maximized if

792
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: they were to move positions and then on, much like

793
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: they did with Voke, they had those guys run through

794
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: some linebacker drills as well after they.

795
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: Did the Absolutely I love that players are doing that. Yeah,

796
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: They're like going up to them and being like, let's maximize.

797
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 2: I want to show everybody my skill set the things

798
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: I can do. And if I'm not going to be

799
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: a safety. I can be a buffalo nickel. If I'm

800
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: not going to be a safety, can be a running back.

801
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: I love that they're showing this. They're just athletes and

802
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: they're trying to show off what they can. That's what

803
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: I combine is great for that, It's great. I love

804
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: that they're doing that. It's fun to watch tight ends.

805
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: Tight ends.

806
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: This is your there's nothing that is your wheelhouse. It

807
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: is this. This is a fastball down the middle for you.

808
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: You know, tight ends, tight ends. Yeah, you know all

809
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: about being a tight end at the combine.

810
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the combine. That's right, that's all right, though, No,

811
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: I don't care.

812
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 2: Well, you add a ten year NFL career. That's pretty

813
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: darn good, Pretty darn good, pretty darn good.

814
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: So I think the thing is like this year with

815
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: the tight end class. Obviously there's Brock Powers, and everyone's

816
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: going to talk about Brock Powers. But Brock Powers in

817
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: run today, right, and he's kind of the bell of

818
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: the ball. I almost would classify more as a receiver.

819
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: And I think we've talked about that, like where as

820
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: an offensive pass catcher? Where does he where does he reside?

821
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: But I think The thing that was surprising is the guys.

822
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: The athletic numbers that came out of this group were

823
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: really unexpected. So like, for example, the Johnson from Penn State.

824
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: He is a huge man. He's six six, he's almost

825
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 1: two sixty, and he ran a four or five four

826
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: And so that is you're in the You're in the

827
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Gronkowski type of measurable there right in terms of explosive measurements.

828
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: And he's not quite that guy, but I'm going to

829
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: give that a closer look now, right, I think he's

830
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: a good I thought he was a good football player

831
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: at Penn State, but to see him run that way again,

832
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: some stiffness when he catches the football. But as far

833
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: as a blocking y that as that could add athletic

834
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: pass game value, I think he's gonna shoot up draft boards, right.

835
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: And see that's the thing blocking, Right, As a Penn

836
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: State fan who watches some Penn State stuff, he's willing

837
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: blocker once again in there, once again in the blender

838
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,959
Speaker 2: mix it up like that's good.

839
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think good and so and think about

840
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: the advantages of that just from a schematic SAMP. But

841
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: if you've got a blocking why who can handle a

842
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: defensive end right, which is the definition of blocking. Why

843
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: I cannot match you as a as a defense in

844
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: nickel with another dB, I have to keep a linebacker

845
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: on the field, and I have enough pass game upside.

846
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: That's a true why I can exploit that massive matchup

847
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: now as an offensive coordinator. And when we talked to

848
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: Chip or Cliff excuse me, one of the things he

849
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: talked about was finding ways to dictate to the defense

850
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: using personnel, which is what he did in twenty twenty

851
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: one when he's in Arizona, and I guy like this again,

852
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: little stiff catching the football, but the athletic upside is

853
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: there to kind of do something pretty special. So that

854
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: that was something that really stuck out to me. Obviously,

855
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: obviously I gotta give my guy Jared Wiley a shout out.

856
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: He's six six, he waited a little bit lighter than

857
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: I thought he was Texas Texas Christian two forty nine,

858
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: but ran four to six to two, jump thirty seven inches,

859
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: had a great broad jump. But the thing that stuck

860
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: out to me, and I told you this pretty much

861
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: every time he caught the ball, he's just he's not

862
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: muscle bound at all. He's incredibly smooth and unlike Johnson

863
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: who has that kind of stiffness to him, and you

864
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: kind of wonder if you can consistently win one on

865
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: one matchups. I felt that Jared Wiley showed the ability

866
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: to do that today, right, and you see it on

867
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: his film as well. So I'm not kind of making

868
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: a cast in the dark here, but that was pretty cool.

869
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: And then a guy that I thought also was interesting

870
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: was Jatavion Sanders from Texas, a guy that I was

871
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: not super high on, but it was nice to see

872
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: him in person catching the football and run around a

873
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: little bit.

874
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a Fred Smoot guy. When one of

875
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: our Draft of Battle podcast where we do a mock

876
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: draft battle whereas you and I versus Zack Selby and

877
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Fred Smoot in the second round, they took Sanders and

878
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: Fred's really high on him, and we saw a little

879
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 2: bit why today.

880
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's not wrong, and he's he's an

881
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: interesting guy because I don't know if he has the

882
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: horsepower to win outside and I don't know if he's

883
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: a good enough route runner, but you saw elements of

884
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: in terms of answering questions, like when he's running routes

885
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: on air, and again it's a different thing than running

886
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: routes in real life obviously, but the ability to kind

887
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: of sink his hips and do some stuff. From a

888
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: STEM standpoint, I was like, Oh, and he tracked the

889
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: football pretty well, and the stiffness that you saw on

890
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: tape wasn't as extreme here, And I think that's that

891
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: always bodes well when you see that, because you're like, oh,

892
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: maybe we can use them in a way that I

893
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting. And then, Yeah, another guy that I wanted

894
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to was Ben Sinnett from

895
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: Kansas State, a guy that I thought was gonna end

896
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: up playing fullback in the NFL, but because of how

897
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: he ran, because if I caught the ball today, I

898
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: would actually kick the tires on him playing tight end.

899
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: He's not going to be a true inline blocking why

900
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: because he's a little bit undersized. But I like the

901
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: way he moved. And again, I don't know if these

902
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: names are familiar to all the fans, but those are

903
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: some guys that I thought. These are NFL football players

904
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: and in the right situation, can can make your team

905
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: a whole lot better.

906
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our listeners are fans, Like, if you saw

907
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: anybody at the combine that stood out to you, ye,

908
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: go watch their film, tell us about it, leave it

909
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: in the comments. Like the thing is like I don't

910
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: think anybody, especially you, right, but any of our scouts

911
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: or anybody that we talked to out here, like we

912
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: don't have the hubers to say like, oh well we

913
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: really like this guy. So if you don't, or you

914
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: think there's somebody else you want to talk about, we

915
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: get like angry or mad or feel like you're attacking.

916
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: Like we love talking football. We love talking these people,

917
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: so like like, find somebody, tell us about it, Like

918
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: who do you want us to break down? Who do

919
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: you want us to look at that maybe you think

920
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: we missed, Like please leave comments, interact with us. That's

921
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: what we want, you know.

922
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: We're where it's just two guys.

923
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: Just I'm just a guy.

924
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're just trying to get as comprehensive the

925
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: list as we can before the draft happens. And we

926
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: don't have a whole scouting department to do it. So

927
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: let's talk ball help us out. That'd be great.

928
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: All right, Well that was pretty good for day two

929
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: of the content. Day three is tomorrow. That's the big.

930
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: One, the big one, right, who's going tomorrow. That's receivers,

931
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: which is a great receiver class. And the quarterbacks are

932
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: going to.

933
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: Be throwing and running backs all of the guys. Yeah,

934
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: because they're going to catch some passes too.

935
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: That's going to be exciting.

936
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be so be In lieu of that,

937
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: we talked to PFF's Trevor Sikima, and he had some

938
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: interesting things to say about the wide receiver class. Yes,

939
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: talk to the little bit about the quarterbacks. Maybe some

940
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: later round quarterbacks in case something very interesting. Name popped up.

941
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: All right, so here's honored guest, PFF's Trevor Sikima.

942
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: All right, we got a very special guest, Trevor Sikima,

943
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: lead draft analyst for PFF. Always good to have you.

944
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: I think you are the most common occurring guests in

945
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: our show, like frequent frequency wise, which is pretty cool

946
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: to have a guy of your caliber here on the show.

947
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 3: Dude, it's it's awesome. I will take that honor. And

948
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: uh you know I now it's a title. Now, it's

949
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: a title that I have to defend. So like, well,

950
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: we get to Shrine Bowl Senior Bowl next year, I'm

951
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna hit up our pr guy. I'm like,

952
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: you better keep this streak going, like it's like wordle

953
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: or something, you know, like every year it's like I

954
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: got to make sure that I got to get on

955
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: with it.

956
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Glad you said honor, because a lot of people wouldn't

957
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: say that. So not that you said that. We appreciate

958
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: you having.

959
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: A thing like that's how you describe it, like, oh yeah,

960
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: that's cool, that's great.

961
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. All right, So let's talk about something

962
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: you do your podcast, NFL Stocking Change Podcast. We'll forget

963
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: that name, right, And one of the things you mentioned

964
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: on there is how when you come to the Combine,

965
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: you you you do a great job of getting kind

966
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: of insider baseball going out to bars two am, talking

967
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: to people, right, not drinking, of course, we'll just get information. Yes,

968
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: But one of the things you came on your podcast

969
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: and said was Malik neighbors closer to Marvin Harrison Junior

970
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: than you originally thought. Yeah, I trust your evaluation.

971
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 4: You want to dig into that little bit, Oh yeah, absolutely.

972
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: So this event is great.

973
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: The Combine is one of my favorite events because not

974
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 3: only do we get to you know, get to talk

975
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: to these players for a little bit, you know, see

976
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: what they're like when the helmet comes off.

977
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 4: But you also get a ton of information.

978
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, of course, you know, no drinking going

979
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: on here, straight water all week, you know, not a

980
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: sip of adult beverages.

981
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 4: But no, you do.

982
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: You get to go out to some of these bars

983
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: and restaurants and you get to meet with people that

984
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: normally you only get to see once a year, and

985
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 3: you get to kind of catch up and you know, hey,

986
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: what do you hear and what do you hear? And

987
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: it's a lot of it's a lot of exchanging of information.

988
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: And I get to talk to a lot of my

989
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: favorite analysts, and I know a lot of those guys

990
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 3: are very plugged in with certain teams short of people.

991
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: And when I've talked about wide receivers for the longest time,

992
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: it was, well, it's Marvin and everybody else, Like, even

993
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: if it's Marvin and then Roman Malik, like, it's always

994
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: Marvin than everybody else. And I've heard from more than

995
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 3: one source that that might not necessarily be the case.

996
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: I think that Marvin, if.

997
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 3: You polled all thirty two NFL teams probably still the

998
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: majority of wide receiver one, but there might be more

999
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: than you'd expect that have Malik as wide receiver one,

1000
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: or maybe have Romodonsay as wide receiver one.

1001
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 4: So it shouldn't be too big of a shock.

1002
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: Because I think throughout this entire draft process, we have

1003
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: tried to give the rest of this wide receiver class,

1004
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: specifically Milik Neighbors from Romo Dunesay, their credit to say, Man,

1005
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: if you were in any other draft class, yeah, you'd

1006
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: probably be wide receiver one. You just happen to be

1007
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: in one with Marvin Harrison junior. But even with Marvin

1008
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: Harrison Junior in it, it seems like teams like those

1009
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: guys enough, so it only fourtify is the fact that

1010
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: I really do think we're getting all three of these

1011
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: guys in the top ten.

1012
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: And so like, why do you think that is? I

1013
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: think is a question I come back to. Is there

1014
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: is it a hole in Marvin Harrison's game or is

1015
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: it something Molik Neighbors has done well, or is it

1016
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: just kind of the nature of the position. You know,

1017
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: everyone talks about receivers kind of flavor of the month,

1018
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: the flavor of your team, the flavor of what you're

1019
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: missing in your room. Why do you think that there's

1020
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: this kind of It's much closer than people originally thought.

1021
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: I think that it is more of praise for those

1022
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 3: other two guys rather than like, eh, Marvin's not that great.

1023
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: Like I think that every team would probably watch him,

1024
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: and I'd be shocked if anyone gives him anything lower

1025
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 3: than a first round trade, right, I mean, like there

1026
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: you could break things up in.

1027
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: The probably even like a top ten round, top five.

1028
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: Top ten grades, first round grade. I'd be shocked if

1029
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 3: anybody gives him anything less than the first round grade,

1030
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: just because his floor is so high as a player. However,

1031
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll admit I watch Molik Neighbors, and Malik

1032
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: Neighbors gives me a skill set that not a lot

1033
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: of other receivers do, including Marvin Harrison Junior. And that

1034
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: is just this ability to accelerate and maintain high speeds

1035
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: while also changing directions. And it makes him this separation

1036
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: master of what we have saw from LSU and so

1037
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: to me, that is that praise of holy cow, look

1038
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: how unique this guy is with his movement skills.

1039
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: That might be the thing.

1040
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: It is more alluring that would pump him up to

1041
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: the wide receiver one level. And then for Rome, I

1042
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: think it's probably just the total package stuff. I'd be

1043
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: a little bit surprised if somebody had Romo Dunes over

1044
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: Marvin Heristonia because they are very similar.

1045
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 4: Of players, like they are those bigger wide receivers.

1046
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: They're both really great athletes for their size, and I

1047
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: think they do a lot.

1048
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 4: Of the same things.

1049
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: Well.

1050
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: I just think Marvin does do them at a more

1051
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: precise level. So that's why I like where I could

1052
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: definitely see teams having Malik over Marvin because of that

1053
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: move that that unique movement ability. It's harder for me

1054
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: to say unless they've met Rome and they just love

1055
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: the dude as a person. His skill set to Marvin's

1056
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: is very similar in the measurables in where they win

1057
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: in those kinds of things, and and Marvin does it

1058
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: at more.

1059
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: Of a precise, diverse level.

1060
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: So it would be it would kind of surprise me,

1061
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: you know, the teams that would have Romo Dunese is

1062
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: wide receiver one in this class, but I do definitely

1063
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: get them.

1064
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: League neighbors for neighbors, do you have a comp you know,

1065
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: I always think a little bit like Odell Beckham, but

1066
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: it's not exactly that, like uh and it maybe because

1067
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: he went to l Usu. Like, it's so funny how

1068
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: you kind of always crossed have a com for him

1069
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: that you say, like just for fans to kind of say,

1070
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: this is the type of player I think he could be.

1071
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 4: It's shades of Antonio Brown for me.

1072
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Interesting and that's an amazing compedy.

1073
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: Ab for four years was one of the most uncoverable

1074
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: wide receivers in the league. And you know, Ab was

1075
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 3: a relentless worker at the beginning parts of his career

1076
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: to become that type of route runner, to have that

1077
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: type of chemistry to just always be open. And so

1078
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 3: it's not like I'm not trying to say that if

1079
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: you plot Molik Neighbors onto an NFL field, he's prime

1080
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: AB right now.

1081
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: But when you talk about comps again, I go back

1082
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 4: to that movement skills.

1083
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna say, when you said the change of direction

1084
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: without losing speed, that's exactly.

1085
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: That's what that's how Ab like even in the twilight

1086
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: of his career when he was with the Bucks, like

1087
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 3: he was still doing that and you just go, there's

1088
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: nobody who can cover you when you're out of your brakes,

1089
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: because sure you're rounding your routes a little bit, but

1090
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 3: you're you're accelerating, You're not You're not, you know, taking

1091
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: it down a gear at all whatsoever. And so that

1092
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: that remind minds me of how Brown was so productive

1093
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 3: when he was really doing it at a high level

1094
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: for the Steelers. So that is one that it's not

1095
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: a total comp for him, but the strengths of where

1096
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: I see him win at an elite level remind me

1097
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: of what Brown was able to do with the Steelers.

1098
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Obviously, the top three of this class

1099
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: is tremendous, but the rest of the class I think

1100
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: is pretty solid too. And I think I just wanted

1101
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: to ask you how many first round receivers do you have,

1102
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: because you know Washington's picking at thirty six, Yeah, and

1103
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: the likelihood that one of those really high quality players

1104
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: falls to them at thirty.

1105
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: Six, Yeah, I've got I think I had to put

1106
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: you on the spot like that. Six I'm I'm trying

1107
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 4: to remember in my notes.

1108
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: I think I have six first round grade receivers, so

1109
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: either top five, top ten first round, or late first

1110
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: early second grades. I believe it's either six or seven

1111
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: wide receivers that I think can be that good in

1112
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: this league. Obviously, Marvin Harrison Junior is one. I have

1113
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: Molik Neighbors at number two. I got Romo Dunes eight,

1114
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: number three, Oregon's Troy Franklin.

1115
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: At numbers four. Awesome film, right.

1116
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: I got Brian Thomas Junior from LSU at number five.

1117
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: And then I believe it's either Ady Mitchell or Lad McConkey.

1118
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: That's right there also in that first round conversation, So

1119
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 3: I like all those guys.

1120
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Jan Coleman absent from that group.

1121
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gave Coleman a second round grade.

1122
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: I can't remember if it was just a straight second

1123
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: or a late second or early third.

1124
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 4: I like Coleman a lot.

1125
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna test really well at He's a

1126
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 3: phenomenal athlete for a player of his size, There's no

1127
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: doubt about it.

1128
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 4: He just doesn't separate well on tape.

1129
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: Like, even back to the Michigan State tape, you didn't

1130
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: really see it a ton. You feel like you saw

1131
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: it less at the NFL level. And I've been burned

1132
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: before by contested catch receivers. One of my biggest draft

1133
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: misses is how high I was on Stanford wide receiver

1134
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: jj R Thaga Whiteside, and I watched him and I

1135
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: was like, he is a power forward playing wide receiver.

1136
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: You're gonna put him at X. You're gonna throw him

1137
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 3: the ball, He's gonna box people out. He's gonna be

1138
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: a contested catch machine. Always fully extended his arms for

1139
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 3: the catchers to the catch radius was always being maximized.

1140
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna be a red zone monster.

1141
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: And he's out of the league already, like it did

1142
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 3: not work out. Kelvin Harmon was the same way. Keem

1143
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: Butler was the same way. Like these dudes that I

1144
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: kind of fell in love with because of just Man,

1145
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: they're just alphas at the catch point, and being an

1146
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: outf at the catchpoint is important, especially if you're an

1147
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: on line of scrimmage X receiver. DK Metcalf does that,

1148
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 3: but Metcalf's so athletic that he is able to make

1149
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: up for it the horsepower abe that is keyon Coleman.

1150
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 3: But there's a lot more non Dk Metcalfs than there

1151
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: are DK metcalfs. And I think the same thing about

1152
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: like a Deebo Samuel Right like a lot of people

1153
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: love Malachai Corley in this class, and I like Corley,

1154
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: you know, like the ceiling of what Corley can be Turkey,

1155
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: the ceiling of what he could be as this running back,

1156
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: slot receiver hybrid type of a player is really it's intriguing.

1157
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: It gets it gets the imagination going. But and people

1158
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: when people watch them, they go like, oh, Debo, Debo, Debo,

1159
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: just get the ball in his hands. He becomes a

1160
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: monster after the catch. There's a lot more non Deebo

1161
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 3: samuels than there are Deebo samuels. And in that same light,

1162
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: tell people like, Okay, well what if he's Leviski shud

1163
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: all right? Like Leviski was the shame player and people

1164
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: thought like, oh, he's going to take over the league.

1165
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: He's going to be this extremely versatile Swiss army life

1166
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: type of player.

1167
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: And he couldn't.

1168
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: He hasn't developed into the wide receiver he needed to

1169
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: be to be effective. Yeah, Debo did as a route runner.

1170
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 3: And so like those are it's just I kind him

1171
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: on a tangent now when I talk about wide receivers.

1172
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 3: But just getting back to Coleman, like if there's only

1173
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: one or two specific examples that you could go no, no,

1174
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: he could be that you got to go okay, Well,

1175
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 3: how many other guys were like that that didn't make it?

1176
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a really good point though, because

1177
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: I think people are always like the common they get.

1178
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: They fall in love with trace, they fall in love

1179
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: with size, high weight, speed. But it's important to remember

1180
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: that you've got to fall into kind of statistically relevant

1181
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: buckets like where's the bell curve? You know what I'm saying,

1182
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 1: And like outliers to traditionally are outliers for a reason, right,

1183
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's so important to remember, is like

1184
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: and in this process, right, the reason you know Keon

1185
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: Coleman in this case is not a first round player

1186
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: because you have doubts about his ability to separate. Right.

1187
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: And I also think it's interesting, like when you talked

1188
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: about getting burned in the past, like I been burned

1189
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: with linebacker evaluation. For example, I evaluated athletic traits as

1190
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: opposed to above the neck and now always I'm like,

1191
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: who's got the above the next stuff? But it's kind

1192
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: of don't let don't let past mistakes, I guess skew

1193
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: your evaluation on current players. I think something. People always fall.

1194
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: Into it, right, yeah, right, yeah, And kind of like

1195
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: to your point, I don't know how you feel about

1196
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Trig junior from Clemson, but like he is somebody

1197
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 3: who I'm with you, like a good example, the perfect example,

1198
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: but like between the ears, like he's brilliant. Obviously you

1199
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: know all pro dad played in the LEA for a

1200
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: long time. Just you could tell how he approaches the

1201
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 3: game and everything that he knows about the position is

1202
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: already at a pro level. But I don't think he's

1203
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: a great athlete. Yeah, I think he's smaller all and

1204
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: smaller dude. And so it's like that's why I'm with

1205
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: you one hundred percent. Sometimes I'll go through a process

1206
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: and you'll be like, I'm never getting burned by this again,

1207
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: and then some situation will come up and you'll be like, see,

1208
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: I'm never getting burned, and then all of a sudden,

1209
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: like watch Jeremiah Trotter junior, you're like, not work out,

1210
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: and you go like, all right, I'm never getting burned again.

1211
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: I'm going back to only athletes. And then you're drafting

1212
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 3: guys who are only athletes. You can't figure it. So

1213
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: it is It's a funny game that we play here

1214
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: with the NFL Draft, but it really just comes down

1215
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: to every player's a little different and it comes down

1216
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 3: to do they work in your system? Do they work

1217
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 3: in your coaching staff? Are the things that they need

1218
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 3: to work on correctable? Do you think they have the

1219
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 3: abilities to correct them, whether that is whether that is

1220
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: physical gifts or mental gifts, whatever it is. So it's

1221
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: just a It's truly why I love this process. It's

1222
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: so much fun to say, yeah, I believe in it

1223
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: here for this guy, maybe not for this guy, and

1224
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: you kind of have to figure out why, and it

1225
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: kind of it shapes your identity as an evaluator and

1226
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 3: it's always fun.

1227
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that thing about scheme fit

1228
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: and offensive identity for some of these receivers because that's

1229
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: such a huge variable, right, And it's the same thing

1230
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. You know, it's like everyone talks about this

1231
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: guy is a not mispick, but for me, it's more

1232
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: like the ecosystem that's developed around that play. Yeah, right,

1233
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: how do you and so like people talk about, you know,

1234
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, Drake May and I think there's a little

1235
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: bit of a jump from there to Jayden Daniels. Honestly,

1236
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: but if Jade Daniels is in the better system that

1237
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: fits his skill set right, or he might be the

1238
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: more productive pro. No.

1239
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

1240
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: I think that that is something that I really enjoy

1241
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: about having the PFF data that we have, and it's

1242
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: something that I'm looking forward to us doing even more

1243
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 3: of next year. Is kind of honing in on like, Okay,

1244
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: this is what I think of a player overall, but

1245
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 3: I want to get into like, Okay, what do I

1246
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: think of this player in this system? Because we hear

1247
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: about this all the time, like oh, he went to

1248
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: a great spot, or it's like a well, this guy

1249
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: didn't work out, but if you went to this spot

1250
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: instead of this spot, it might have worked out well.

1251
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: Being able to identify that kind of stuff, and that's

1252
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: why trade breakdowns are really important, right, like being able

1253
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 3: to identify for corners, for example, do you have to

1254
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: hit fluidity to be able to play pressman coverage?

1255
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: Right?

1256
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 4: Can you go left or right? Are you able to

1257
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 4: keep up with these players?

1258
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: Do you have the balance, the footwork, the foot speed

1259
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 3: to be able to do it as well?

1260
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 4: Do you have the long arms?

1261
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 3: To be able to actually affect guys in press coverage

1262
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 3: or are the arms getting knocked down and it's really

1263
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: not going to be something where it's effective for you.

1264
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: Do you have the clicking close ability to be able

1265
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: to play off coverage?

1266
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: Like how do you see the field?

1267
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: Are you comfortable looking at a wide receiver or playing

1268
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: with your back to the ball versus just keeping your

1269
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 3: eyes on the ball in the quarterback at all times?

1270
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: And so there are just so many different traits and

1271
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: styles that you have to identify. And that's why I

1272
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: just love this whole process. It's like you have the tape,

1273
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: which is paramount I think is the biggest piece of

1274
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: the puzzle, but then you have like athletic rechecks, You've

1275
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: got the interview process as well. So there's just so

1276
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 3: much that goes into this stuff that determines whether or

1277
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 3: not a guy is going to make it in the league.

1278
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: That's something else that I think is kind of interesting

1279
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: that you kind of alluded to. There is, you know,

1280
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: with regards to scheme. When I look at like the

1281
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers as an example, right, they

1282
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: seem to have a very good and Deebo Samuel That's

1283
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: where I thought of this, Right, they seem to have

1284
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: a very good understanding and perspective on what they want

1285
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: at the position, and like, do you have any inside

1286
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: information on that, because I mean you do a lot

1287
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: of prospect evaluation, right, which is again one piece, but again,

1288
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of it falls on the

1289
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: team to say, like this guy doesn't really fit a

1290
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: traditional mold, but he fits who we want to be

1291
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: offensively or defensively. The corner things interesting too, like that

1292
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: cover three long arm corner doesn't not everybody's cup of tea, right, Like,

1293
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: I just I can't get past that, Like you you

1294
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: do such a job with the player, but it's such

1295
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: a small piece of their success at the next level.

1296
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, they know there is and anytime.

1297
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: That's why coaching staffs change a lot around in the NFL,

1298
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: like every single year, and you try to keep up

1299
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 3: with it because you go like, Okay, well, you know

1300
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: this guy had this tendency like to play a lot

1301
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: more odd fronts when he was with this team.

1302
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 4: Now you're switching over to this.

1303
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: Way like all this guy and you're just you're trying

1304
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: to keep up within an Unfortunately, in a perfect world,

1305
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 3: these coaches would be set up to where they're just

1306
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: putting guys in.

1307
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 4: Positions to succeed.

1308
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: But yeah, as you know, sometimes there's not always as

1309
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: much continuity or should be in the coaching staff. But

1310
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 3: just kind of to your point, That's why I love

1311
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: kind of this part of the process is because I've

1312
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: watched a lot of tape on these players. Now it's

1313
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 3: about like, okay, let's figure out. And there are a

1314
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: lot of really great b reporters around the country. You

1315
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: do a great job of just kind of like finding

1316
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: out tidbits of like who are these coaches honing in on,

1317
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: and then you try to see like, all right, common

1318
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 3: denominator and I don't have any right now at this point,

1319
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: but this is kind of the over the next couple

1320
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 3: of months as I'm doing my final mock drafts and

1321
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 3: where I think these guys are end up going to go,

1322
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: where they're going to end up going. That's that's what

1323
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: weeks like this are really important to kind of just

1324
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: like info gather here and there of what types of

1325
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 3: players these coaches might be gravitating towards. Because we also

1326
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 3: see like there are certain tendencies that coaches have and

1327
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: then maybe if it doesn't work, they pivot and where

1328
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: you go like, well, okay, they've always kind of gone

1329
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: after this types of player, and then all of a

1330
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: sudden they kind of like break their mold a little

1331
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 3: bit one year and you kind of wonder why the

1332
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: case you're trying to figure it out, and so that

1333
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: is it's a frustrating but also a fascinating part of

1334
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: kind of predicting what's going to happen.

1335
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's still be click on the quarterbacks. I know

1336
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: you're a Drake may guy, I mean a Caleb Williams

1337
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: and Drake Mey guy. You're very high in both those guys,

1338
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: and obviously Jane Daniels is kind of that next group.

1339
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: But a guy that seems to be kind of making

1340
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: some waves right now is JJ McCarthy. Like what are

1341
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him? And how do you handle that evaluation?

1342
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: Because you know, I was talking to someone yesterday and

1343
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: I agree with this. I feel like you see a

1344
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: lot of NFL throws in terms of if you watch

1345
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: two seasons of football, but the frequency of he of

1346
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: what he's asked to do is not always the highest

1347
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: compared to Penix or Bonicks. Like, how do you fall

1348
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: in that evaluation.

1349
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 4: I like JJ a lot more than I thought that

1350
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 4: I was going to. I'm gonna be honest, you know.

1351
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: We go, we start summer scouting around around June, probably

1352
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: like the beginning of June. And I watched JJ McCarthy's

1353
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two tape knowing that he was gonna be

1354
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: draft eligible this upcoming year, this past summer, and I.

1355
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 4: Watched him in twenty twenty two, and I'm like, this

1356
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: guy's so far away from you to know.

1357
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: I mean, sure, he's got a nice arm, he's got

1358
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: some decent mobility, but he's skinny as a rail. He's

1359
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: slow to get through his progressions, he's not really looking

1360
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: at the right areas. You could tell that he doesn't

1361
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 3: really see things the way that he needed to pre snap,

1362
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: and he was confused by a lot of things that

1363
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: happen in the post snap. The pocket presence was the

1364
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: big one that really bugged me in twenty twenty two.

1365
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: He just did not have a good feel for when

1366
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: pressure was coming, where it was coming, when to bail,

1367
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 3: And I was just like, he's just he's so raw

1368
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 3: playing quarterback twenty twenty three, basically all of that got

1369
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 3: better and so that was a really great sign from him.

1370
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: He has also some of the best over the middle

1371
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 3: throws of any quarterback in this class, and attacking the

1372
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 3: intermediate middle of the field of a defense is so paramount.

1373
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: Making them guard the middle of the field is so

1374
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 3: huge to getting routes open at the sideline, different route combinations,

1375
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 3: being able to manipulate what the safeties are doing, you know,

1376
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 3: whether it's open or close coverage with one or two

1377
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: safeties deep. Like, if you can consistently hit over the middle,

1378
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: you put a ton of stress in the linebackers. You

1379
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: put a ton of stress on what you do with

1380
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: your safeties, and the defense coordinator kind of feels hamstrung

1381
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: a little bit. You know, you can't get more aggressive

1382
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: to the sideline. You can't, you know, have your guys,

1383
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: you know, being able to squeak towards the sideline a

1384
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: little bit pre your post snap. If you're able to

1385
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 3: consistently hit over the middle of McCarthy did a lot.

1386
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of quarterbacks in today's day and

1387
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: age that run offenses that don't do it. Just don't

1388
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: ask them to do it very often because it's dangerous, right,

1389
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of bodies over the middle. There's a

1390
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: lot of linebackers, there's a lot of corners that could

1391
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: be coming through, there's safeties that could be coming down,

1392
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: and it's a more dangerous area of the field to hit.

1393
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: So you just have a lot of these quarterbacks that

1394
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 3: don't have a lot of experience doing like Pennix.

1395
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: Pennix is one of those guys and Jayden too, right,

1396
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 4: are both.

1397
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: They are sideline outside the numbers types of throwers, which

1398
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: isn't terrible. It's just something you have to think about,

1399
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: right when you talk about projecting what they could be

1400
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: to the NFL level. So that's something that I really

1401
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: like for McCarthy.

1402
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 4: I think he needs to get bigger. I think he

1403
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 4: needs to get stronger.

1404
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: All right.

1405
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: We need to do the you know, peanut butter, jelly

1406
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 3: sandwich and protein shake at three am every morning. You know,

1407
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: when he comes into the NFL facility, packs some weight

1408
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: on him. Let's get the arm a little bit stronger,

1409
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: because I do think he has a great a good arm.

1410
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: I don't think he's an elite arm, but I think

1411
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: it's a good arm. Adequate arm talent for the NFL level,

1412
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: decent mobility, if you plopped him on an NFL field

1413
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 3: Week one this.

1414
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 4: Year, I think he'd struggle. I do because of what

1415
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 4: you said.

1416
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: Wasn't asked to be a takeover type of a player

1417
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: at Michigan.

1418
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 4: But he's somebody who I would love to.

1419
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: I'd love to see him have the luxury and this

1420
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: it just doesn't always happen, but I'd love to see

1421
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 3: him kind of have that Sam Howe track where you

1422
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: sat most of the year, or the Desert Rider tractor

1423
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: when he was a rookie, you sat most of the

1424
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: year and then December we kind of put you out

1425
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: there and you got four or five games going into

1426
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: that next season. Though it was your show, you were

1427
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: very clearly that starting quarterback.

1428
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 4: You're very clearly that guy.

1429
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 3: You just don't really get that luxury when you're picked

1430
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: in the top fifteen.

1431
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that's going to happen. But

1432
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 4: that's kind of my thoughts.

1433
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: Overall with Ja.

1434
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: Do you think he's a top fifteen player.

1435
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 4: I'm not going to have him top fifteen on my big.

1436
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: On your board, and that's it, But can you can

1437
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: you explain that real quick because I think a lot

1438
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: of fans say, oh, well, he'll be drafted. He'll probably

1439
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: be drafted. You could be drafted top fifteen, but your

1440
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: rating of him is different. Right, Can you explain that.

1441
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 4: A little bit?

1442
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: Right?

1443
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 4: I can explain it with this.

1444
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 3: There's two types of teams in the NFL, ones that

1445
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: have a quarterback and ones that don't.

1446
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 4: And that is it.

1447
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 3: Every other part of team building is beyond that. That

1448
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: is what you have to address first. And so for

1449
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: those teams that don't have a quarterback, like, let's even

1450
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: think about it. Chicago's a situation that needs a quarterback.

1451
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 3: Washington's situation needs a quarterback. New England's a situation that

1452
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 3: needs a quarterback.

1453
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 4: The Giants, Giants. Maybe you could throw the Giants in

1454
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 4: there as it.

1455
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 3: Maybe the Falcons at eight, the Vikings at eleven, the

1456
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 3: Broncos at twelve, the Raiders at thirteen, Like, every single

1457
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: one of those teams needs a quarterback. Kirk Cousins is

1458
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: on the open market. Okay, he probably fills one of

1459
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: those goals for one of those teams. I don't think

1460
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield gets out of Tampa and then you're kind

1461
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: of left with a all right, you're gonna trade for

1462
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 3: Justin Fields. Maybe bringing Russell Wilson with him. But I

1463
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: don't even know what the timeline for Russell Wilson looks like,

1464
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: when they're gonna release them, how they're gonna release them,

1465
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: anything like that.

1466
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 4: I just think that Denver is moving on. So I

1467
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 4: rattled off all of.

1468
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 3: Those teams, and there's a lot of teams that's still

1469
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: in the quarterbacks. We've got teams like the Patriots where

1470
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 3: we've said multiple times they cannot go into next season

1471
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 3: with the same quarterback.

1472
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 4: Raheem Morris is at the podium earlier this week.

1473
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 3: He goes, we had better quarterback play, I wouldn't be here,

1474
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't be head coach toocos if we had

1475
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 3: better quarterback plays. So that basically says, okay, you have

1476
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: to change what's going on in Atlanta one way or

1477
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 3: another for a quarterback. Denver is basically already said the

1478
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna take on the most dead cap in

1479
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: NFL history just to move on from this guy. Right,

1480
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: depending on what happens with Kirk, Minnesota kind of needs

1481
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 3: a quarterback. So the reason why I bring that up

1482
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: is to say JJ got a late first early second

1483
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: round grade for me as a quarterback that I think

1484
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: is worthy of an investment, right, something that I think

1485
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 3: has starter potential tools. And I think, you know, that

1486
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 3: late first second round type of a player I think

1487
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 3: is good for JJ. But ultimately that guy is gonna

1488
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 3: get picked in the top fifteen.

1489
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 4: He'll probably end up. My board does.

1490
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 3: Take positional value into account, so he'll probably be between

1491
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 3: twenty five and thirty five on my bill just for

1492
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: that late first ten spots.

1493
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 4: Right, he'll get.

1494
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: Drafted in the top fifteen, maybe even top ten, because

1495
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 3: they have to. You have to take a throw at

1496
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: the dartboard and you have to try to make this

1497
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: happen with him. And that's why I said before, I'd

1498
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 3: love for him to get to sit early on in

1499
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 3: his career. But if you're getting picked that high, we

1500
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: just it doesn't really happen like that.

1501
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: And so I'm assuming he's the fourth guy on your board.

1502
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, yeah, And then the other two guys, Nicks,

1503
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: Penick's thoughts on them, You already talked about Penix a

1504
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: little bit. Bonnix I think is an interesting guy because

1505
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: I think he's so propped I don't say propped up

1506
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: sounds like a negative thing, but the scheme there does

1507
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: enslate him quite a bit. So the evaluate for me

1508
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: has been a little bit tough because there's some things

1509
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: you like, right, but again, he's not asked to do

1510
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: anything overly dramatic.

1511
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: And the tough part about Nixon, I like Nicks. I

1512
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 3: think Knicks will also be a top thirty player for

1513
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: really on your board, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think

1514
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: that he is going to be somebody who and I

1515
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: think that he could be a back.

1516
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 4: Into the first round pick. I really do.

1517
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't disagree with you, right, so, and

1518
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 3: I like Nix. And the tricky part of Knicks is

1519
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: you're right. There are parts of the offense that are

1520
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: very simple. They're easy, but he takes care of the

1521
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 3: ball really well. There are those moments where you go,

1522
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 3: all right, this isn't you know what your typical Oregon

1523
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 3: throw looks like, but you got to rip this in

1524
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 3: between cover two right here, And he does and he

1525
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: goes and it comes out strange arm angle. He had

1526
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: a couple of no look passes that I saw this

1527
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 3: past year where it was like, okay, buddy, that's an

1528
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 3: NFL throw and I see that from him. But here's

1529
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 3: the thing I can sit here and go see he

1530
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: can do it. But how often can he do it?

1531
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 3: That's the question for me. People go, oh, well, canbo

1532
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 3: Nicks do it or can he? I don't think that's

1533
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 3: the right question, because I think he can. I can

1534
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,959
Speaker 3: pull you multiple clips from him these past two years

1535
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 3: of NF legit NFL throws that. I go, he can

1536
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: do it, but how often will he be able to

1537
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 3: do it if you ask him to do it all

1538
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: the time. That's where I'm kind of up in the

1539
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: air with him. So I like Bonix. My next quarterback

1540
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: would probably be It is a toss up between Michael

1541
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: Penick Junior and Spencer Raler.

1542
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 4: I think Spencer Rattler is right after.

1543
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: So after those top after Penix, right, those are your

1544
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: two yes after Nick?

1545
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, okay, So for me it goes just we've

1546
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 3: thrown out Budgeie. Caleb's clearly one for me. Drake may

1547
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 3: is clearly two for me. I think Jaden is three.

1548
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: I think JJ McCarthy is four, Bonix is five, and

1549
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: then it is a toss up between Spencer Rattler and

1550
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: Michael Penix Junior for that next player.

1551
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 4: Both of them have the same exact film grade for me. Okay,

1552
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 4: so I think they are right now.

1553
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: And why is that? Because I think a lot of

1554
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: people look at Penix and say he's got this monstrous arm.

1555
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 4: He does, he does have a monster's arm.

1556
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,479
Speaker 1: But I think this is probably I think people again

1557
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: here rattler and they think it's a bad word. Yes,

1558
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: but maybe what do you like about Ratler? Because again,

1559
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: there are some things there. Had a really solid week

1560
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: at the senior ball YEP, very very talented. I don't

1561
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth, but why are

1562
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: you so high on not so high enough Pennix?

1563
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 4: First, I like Penix a lot.

1564
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: Man.

1565
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 4: I think I think he's a great dude.

1566
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: Every time I'm for he to talk, it's like, man,

1567
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: this is a great I think this dude has what

1568
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 3: it takes between the years to be a sure quarterback

1569
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 3: at the NFL level. He's got a howitzer of an arm.

1570
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. He's got one of the

1571
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: biggest arms in this class. And I think you put

1572
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: that on display over the last two years as a

1573
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: gunslinger who was not afraid to push the ball down

1574
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 3: the field, never afraid of the big throws that needed

1575
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 3: to be made, and I think that's sometimes what gets

1576
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: lost to these quarterbacks like Nicks. Right, That's the conversation

1577
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 3: with Nix is he is he going to be unafraid

1578
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 3: to rip the throw he needs to make. Penix will

1579
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 3: never be. You will never worry about that with him.

1580
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 3: But I think he's I think is his footwork can

1581
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 3: be bad sometimes. And I think that his throwing motion,

1582
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 3: because he's got very long arms, is very long.

1583
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 4: I think it's unorthodox. I think it's a little side.

1584
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: Arms thirty three at chimes right four.

1585
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 3: Crazy right, And it's just because of those longer arms,

1586
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: they release is a little bit longer, and so with

1587
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 3: a longer release, there's just more things that can go wrong.

1588
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 3: And I think that with some tougher mechanics, with some

1589
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 3: more inconsistent, unorthodox mechanics, his accuracy is fine, but the

1590
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: ball placement is not.

1591
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 4: Always as good as you would want it to be.

1592
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 3: And at the NFL level, you got to fit the

1593
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 3: football on a football sized window sometimes and sometimes he

1594
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: can sometimes he does, but not always, and so the

1595
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 3: ball placement is a little bit off for him.

1596
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 4: And two areas where I'm really concerned with him his.

1597
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: Play outside the pocket as a passer was just it

1598
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 3: was just not good. And he's a decent athlete, he's

1599
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: just not as comfortable as he is, or I don't

1600
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 3: know what it really IS's just I think it's stylistic.

1601
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: I agree you see it, but it's like because of

1602
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: the athletic profile or like it should.

1603
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 3: Be should be better because I think he's going to

1604
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 3: test better than people think here in Indianapolis, and so

1605
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: I think he's just not gright outside of the pocket,

1606
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 3: not great outside of structure.

1607
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 4: And then throw him with touch. He just doesn't do

1608
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 4: it a lot.

1609
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 3: He wants to. He wants to throw the fastball. He

1610
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 3: wants to throw hundred miles an hour every single time,

1611
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: and that'll get you in trouble. You got to be

1612
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 3: able to put some marr under you, gotta be able

1613
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: to put some touch under it. And just those are

1614
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 3: my two concerns about he's saying in turns Spen's Rally,

1615
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: I agree with you on hundred first impressions are really

1616
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 3: tough to break. And when people hear the name Spencer Rally,

1617
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 3: they think of the QB one documentary where he was

1618
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 3: this kind of like hot shot high school kid, and

1619
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 3: they think about this reckless gun slinger and a Lincoln

1620
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 3: Riley Oklahoma defense, and they think about the big time throws,

1621
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 3: but they also think about the boneheaded interceptions, and that's

1622
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 3: what they think about when they think about Spencer Rally.

1623
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 3: Last two years of South Carolina, he has not been

1624
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 3: that player. He's a much more matured player. I think

1625
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: he's a much more matured dude from everybody that I've

1626
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 3: talked to within that program, and I think that you

1627
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 3: see that in his games. The most impressive part of

1628
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 3: his game to me is yet he's still got a

1629
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 3: really nice arm. He can still throw with some heat,

1630
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 3: he can still throw with some touch. He's got good accuracy.

1631
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes think the ball placement needs a little bit of work,

1632
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: but I think it's there for him to be number

1633
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 3: But I think it's something more like continuous work with

1634
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: a new receiving corps and a good offense. I think

1635
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 3: he really can have some really excellent ballved placement. The

1636
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: thing that impresses me the most about Spencer Rally and

1637
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 3: why I have him as potentially, you.

1638
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 4: Know, QB six in this class. I think he could.

1639
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 3: I think he will be a Day two pick, is

1640
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 3: that his pocket presence and his ability to remain confident

1641
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 3: and not panic despite being pressured on almost forty percent

1642
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 3: of his dropbacks. This past year's forty percent was really nice.

1643
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 3: And it was also somebody who there were times when

1644
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 3: the cameras would pan to him on the sideline where

1645
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 3: you go, okay, here we go, He's gonna blow up

1646
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: on somebody, and he does it.

1647
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 4: And he's like always going up through his offensive line.

1648
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, get in next time, we'll get him

1649
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 3: on the next series whatever. And I think he said

1650
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 3: that in the post game as well. He's just I

1651
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 3: just think he's a much more mature individual. And anybody

1652
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,879
Speaker 3: who like, again, here's the name Spence Reutler and shutters,

1653
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 3: I get it.

1654
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 4: But I would.

1655
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 3: Encourage you to go watch his tape and listen to

1656
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 3: some of his interviews with an open mind. I don't

1657
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 3: think it's fake. I don't think it's fabricated. I think

1658
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: this is kind of who he is as a quarterback

1659
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 3: right now. And I think the NFL is going to

1660
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 3: take a chance onone on day two.

1661
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: And I've had some similar conversations with people down in

1662
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: that program, and again they just say he's been a

1663
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: dynamic leader and he's a different person and he's matured

1664
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: since then. But yeah, man, Trevor, thank you so much

1665
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: for joining us so much. I really appreciate it, and

1666
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: make sure you check out If you like Trevor and

1667
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: I like Trevor, sho you check out the NFL Stock

1668
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: Exchange podcast. It's fantastic. It's more contact like this. Whichever,

1669
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us.

1670
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 4: Apreciate brother anytime.

1671
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 3: Mm hmm