1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha. I don't come to stuff. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: I never told you production of High Radio and we 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: are doing uh, something a little different once again. We 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: did this on the last Women Around the World, but 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: we wanted to do it again for Poland this time. 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about a few organizations, uh 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: that are women lead and working to fight for the 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: women and people with uterus is in general, uh in Poland, 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: and we want to acknowledge what's happening there as well 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: as the fact that we're kind of watching and learning 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: from them, I guess because there's a lot of stuff 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: happening here in the US as well. And I know 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: we definitely have some listeners who have either family in 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Poland or are from Poland or in Poland. And we 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 1: want to go ahead and time stamp this first and foremost. 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: Today is December two. Uh, this is our first recording 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: in December actually, but we did want to talk about 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: what's happening there, um, including some of the recent events 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: as well as yes, things are happening here in the 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: US with our own Supreme Court hearing of a specific 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: case in Mississippi that could possibly gut or a return 22 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: row versus Wade, which has been a focal point in 23 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: the US when it comes to abortion rights as well 24 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: as reproductive rights in general. And yeah, we are on 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: edge and kind of nervous about what's happening, so we're 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: trying to kind of learn and see what happening around 27 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: the world who may have actually are fighting this already 28 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: on a higher level. Is that the way to say it, Nannie, 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the best way to put this, 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: trying not to be too pessimistic at the same time, 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: just realistic. But you know, things are things, And yes, 32 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: for those who are listening and are like I said 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: that are in Poland and or know what's going on 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: there or have family there, you all have been great 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: about letting us know what's happening that we may have 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: missed and or do not know, and may also tell 37 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: us how to say uh names organizations that we are mispronouncing, 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: and we are trying our damnedest. I really really promise 39 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: we are. Before we started recording, we've been looking out 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: pronunciations for like twenty minutes, um, So I absolutely know 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: that we are not going to do a great job 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: with if some of this pronunciation, please excuse that, but 43 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: at the same time, we did not want to not 44 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: talk about it just because we couldn't say it. And 45 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: for you listeners, if you have a correction, please yes, 46 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: let us know, because we want to be respectful of 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: all of the things that are happening there as well 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: as the amazing people who are working to fight, uh 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: for the rights of others and for themselves. So let's 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: jump into it. Yeah, we wanted to do a quick 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: revisit of what is happening in Poland and though we've 52 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: talked about this for a while now um as in fact, 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: we've got a couple of episodes to go check out 54 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: some of our Monday mini's, but we wanted to come 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: back and talk about some of the amazing women at 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: organizations who are continuing to advocate for the right of 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: women and those with uteruses. And this is going to 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: be yes a part of our Women around the World series. Yeah, 59 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: so just a quick review. This year, Poland placed a 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: near total ban on abortion, with the only exceptions for um, 61 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: if women's life and health are at risk or if 62 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: the pregnancy was due to rape or incest. And there 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: have been protests that have been occurring throughout the country 64 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: at the time, um when we were revisiting what happened, 65 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: because we kind of did a couple on this and 66 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: we were like, we're talking about it, and then we 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: revisited it again. There had been several arrests and charges 68 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: under the guise of health and guidelines and policies placed 69 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: due to COVID, and the arrests have not slowed down. 70 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: According to one Polish newspaper, at least four thousand people 71 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: have been quote brought to court for protesting, but luckily 72 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: many of the judges have dismissed the cases, stating they 73 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: were quote violating the constitutionally guaranteed right to assembly. And 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: one specific woman who's been involved for a while, Marta Lampard, 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: has had to deal with at least eighty one of 76 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: these cases. Lampart, who is a lawyer by profession, is 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: a co founder of the organization of Polish Women's Strikes, 78 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: who we've talked about previously on episodes about the abortion band. 79 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: Lampart and Clementina Suhanoff started the organization All Poland Women's Strike, 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: which in Polish is Ognell Pulsky Strike Copiate or OSK 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen as a women's rights movement to protest 82 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: the rejection of the Save Women Bill. H The organization 83 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: was responsible for the twenty six black protests which took 84 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: place in a one forty seven different Polish cities in 85 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: towns and osk has not slowed down. They also organized 86 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: they protest after the ruling of the abortion ban, but 87 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: not only that. In seventeen they with the Argentinian women's 88 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: rights activists helped launch the International Women's Strike with twenty 89 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 1: eight other countries, and the organization, with Lampard as a leader, 90 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 1: continues to work in seeking to change what has happened 91 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: in Poland, at the risk of her own freedom and 92 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: even her safety. She is possibly facing up to eight 93 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: years in prison, has been threatened to the point that 94 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: she now has to have police escort due to the 95 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: level and nature of the threats. But as she says, 96 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: when she was asked if she was afraid for her life, 97 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: she said no, I'm not afraid and continues the work 98 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: now trying to collect signatures for a petition to table 99 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: the law in Parliament and bring about real discussion around 100 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: the dangers of the law right. So she essentially was 101 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: just like, you know what, the protesting starting to die down. 102 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: They're not paying attention. Uh, they're throwing all these charges. 103 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: We're going to do a petition and she's garnering a 104 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: lot of attention with that. Um And with that, we 105 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about another organization that's been part of 106 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: this continued fight, which is the Abortion Dream Team. Socially, 107 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: it was a Facebook name. They adopted the name it 108 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: just stuck um and was created by Carolina Viskovich, Justina Wizinska, 109 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: Natalia Bran New Chick, and Kinga Jalinska Uh. The Abortion 110 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: Dream Team works to educate and normalize abortion in Poland 111 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: while assisting and participating with the protests that have been 112 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: happening around the country. They also have taken the approach 113 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: of telling the stories of those who have gone through 114 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: the process to normalize the controversial topic and bring a 115 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: personal stance to the debate. And since the recent ruling 116 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: of the band, they have become more focused on providing 117 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: information for transportation for those who are finding access outside 118 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: of the country. Co founder of Vietskovich has said that 119 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: since the pandemic, the organization has become the quote ultimate 120 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: travel agency is been making sure to help anyone who 121 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: needs assistance in finding access near them. Right then there's 122 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: Abortion without Borders. So Abortion Dream Team and Women's Strike 123 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: have been working with organizations to best help those who 124 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: are in need of abortion access, including with abortions without Borders. 125 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: Abortion without Borders was launched in twenty nineteen and has 126 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: been working tirelessly to find accessible care for anyone that 127 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: is looking. In this year alone, they've been able to 128 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: assist thirty four thousand women in Poland to access these services, 129 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: including getting access to pills and traveling to clinics outside 130 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: of the country. UH They also have been able to 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: provide outside services and any local services to those that 132 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: have been reaching out through their hotline and other contacts, 133 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: and according to their website abortion dot Eu, they have 134 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: been able to provide financial assistance to at least two 135 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty people currently and the number continues to 136 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: grow as they are continuing to assist as many people 137 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: as possible. Some other organizations we wanted to shout out 138 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: um Women, Help, Women in Abortion Support Network and Varshavsky Jewa, 139 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: which all have been working to fight and advocate for 140 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: reproductive justice in Poland right and recently um A woman 141 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: diad die due to septic shock, and one who had 142 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: been denied uh an abortion by the doctors in the 143 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: hospital that she was at due to their fear of 144 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: the punishment from the government had they gone through with it. 145 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: Of course, there's a lot of back and forth of this, 146 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: and it kind of unfortunately her death has become a 147 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: rallying cry about what could possibly happen in the dangers 148 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: of these laws um And at the same time, those 149 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: who are anti abortion are pushing a specific build that 150 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: would go after anyone who did have an abortion and 151 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: or assisted for possibly like without prison of at least 152 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: twenty five years. So there's a lot of talks about 153 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: what's happening, and according to the same reports, we're seeing 154 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: that kind of like in the US, most of the 155 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: people are actually all about giving access. They do not 156 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: have a problem with abortion access. They do not have 157 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: a problem in that they think that it should be 158 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: a person's choice and not necessarily the government. So it 159 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: is again interesting to see how the main federal lines 160 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: are very different from their people's and again kind of 161 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: like in the US, how we've seen it. We know 162 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: that according to polls, people are not against abortion, as 163 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: in fact it's more than who are like, yeah, no, 164 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: we think pro choice is the way to go. But 165 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: of course we have the louder, more conservative cries of 166 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: anti choice narrative that's been happening and that is happening 167 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: currently in our country as well. Um, so we're definitely 168 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: watching all across the world essentially about what is happening 169 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: and who is being denied access and who is being 170 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: punished essentially, and and and about the fact that yeah, 171 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: this is dangerous and it is going to cause a 172 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: lot of harm when we talk about these types of 173 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: laws and these types of bands overall. Yeah, yeah, it's 174 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: a it's it's frightening. Um yeah, but I mean, if 175 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: you're looking for the silver lining, it is amazing to 176 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: see um, these organizations and these women and these people 177 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: fighting and fighting and fighting, and we have seen that 178 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: around the world and we've seen it across um this 179 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: country as well. And uh, yes, as you said Smith 180 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: that we would love to hear from your listeners wherever 181 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: you may be, what's going on where you are, if 182 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: there's any organizations or resources or people any of that 183 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: kind of stuff we should shout out. Please, I'll let 184 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: us know. 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