Speaker 1: So just in case anyone's picking up on it, Lisa
Speaker 1: sounds a little bit different.
Speaker 2: She's in Montreal.
Speaker 1: We all have lives to live, and so she might
Speaker 1: sound a smidge farther away than usual, but her opinions
Speaker 1: are all still there.
Speaker 3: You're going to hear them. Kara's being really nice. I
Speaker 3: forgot my cord. Okay, I forgot to hit record. I
Speaker 3: forgot the chord. My internet's wild. I'm gonna blame the VPN.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like, I get it.
Speaker 2: I promise Canada, this is all your fault.
Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 3: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 3: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 2: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Hello says, that's messed up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I am Liza Trigger.
Speaker 1: And I am Kara Klank and you guys know what's up.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we talk about an episode of SVU the true
Speaker 1: credits based on We talked to an amazing guest who
Speaker 1: usually was in the episode, and first we just chat
Speaker 1: and catch up and well, I.
Speaker 2: Love that you said.
Speaker 3: Hopefully, like, hopefully we'll talk about.
Speaker 2: Us for you. Of course we will.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, wait, wait, didn't I I think I
Speaker 1: meant hopefully someone that was in the episode. But sometimes
Speaker 1: we talk to a writer or a director, which I
Speaker 1: also love, so I don't say you didn't have said hopefully.
Speaker 1: They're always an amazing guest, whether or not they were
Speaker 1: on camera or not.
Speaker 2: I'm being a little a little bit of a on
Speaker 2: camera snob bitch.
Speaker 3: I know you really mad when that article was like
Speaker 3: and they talked to extras and you were like, we
Speaker 3: have never talked to an extra, Thank you very fucking much.
Speaker 1: They talked to crazy extras. I was like, we've never
Speaker 1: talked to an extra, Like never.
Speaker 3: No, Sometimes I'll meet people in comics. Little bit I
Speaker 3: could be on your show. I love SVU, and it's
Speaker 3: like you can get cast first and then I can
Speaker 3: talk like are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Do you think we are so okay?
Speaker 1: First of all, we did get an inside scoop from
Speaker 1: our mole on the inside of a Law and Order
Speaker 1: us for you that the titles with the twenty four
Speaker 1: characters or twenty three characters like that coordinate with the
Speaker 1: with the number of the seasons it is is over.
Speaker 1: Those days are gone, I'm really we don't need any more.
Speaker 1: Did you believe in miracles? Question Mark? The titles are
Speaker 1: driving me crazy and so just wanted to bring that
Speaker 1: to you first breaking news.
Speaker 2: Also, we are.
Speaker 1: In the time machine, but we need to talk about
Speaker 1: this Peloton ad. It's like we got we I know,
Speaker 1: it's like at this point when you guys are listening
Speaker 1: this episode, it's been a week and a half since
Speaker 1: that came out, two weeks but wow, did you guys
Speaker 1: tell us about it?
Speaker 2: It's so thrilling. It was thrilling.
Speaker 3: And then I did see one or two comments on
Speaker 3: my Twitter that were like nothing we haven't seen in
Speaker 3: OZ and it's like, shut up, this is as exciting. Okay,
Speaker 3: if only seeing someone naked one time was enough, then
Speaker 3: there wouldn't be porn and playable like what are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 2: You want to see it all? And it was just funny.
Speaker 1: He's onny n he's funny, he's older, he's jacked, and
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: The fucking SVU. They got the SVU.
Speaker 1: Voiceover at the end, the Law and Order voiceover, like wait,
Speaker 1: we got.
Speaker 3: Another scoop the done done yes that it's based on
Speaker 3: the sound of a jail cell closing.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well I had heard that, but I.
Speaker 1: Had also heard maybe it was like a gabble banging,
Speaker 1: but it's the jail cell closing. It's like a stylized
Speaker 1: jail cell closing.
Speaker 3: No, Maloney's hot. I'm I want to know how much
Speaker 3: he got paid. I want to know how many free
Speaker 3: pelotons he got. I want to know ions. I bet
Speaker 3: his daughters do. I don't think any pelotons.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a listener that works with the daughter,
Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, you need to start building up
Speaker 1: that friendship so that you can slip it to the
Speaker 1: slip into the information about the pod.
Speaker 2: And did Liz you have a commercial too? Or no?
Speaker 2: Or was that just extra?
Speaker 3: I feel like she had Alton One too, But I
Speaker 3: was too focused on Maloney.
Speaker 2: But I could also be making Oh I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't literally, I mean, this video came out six
Speaker 1: days ago, and today in our inbox we had like
Speaker 1: six more people sending it to us. Like every day
Speaker 1: we just are getting like so many people are like,
Speaker 1: you've seen this right, So it's truly taken the SVU
Speaker 1: universe by storms.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. I'll Google the Lizo thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think he was naked the whole filming or
Speaker 3: he had a little pouchop.
Speaker 1: I bet he's wearing mom's little socks because you know what,
Speaker 1: Like I think it's like you can't just like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think on a commercial it could that
Speaker 1: be considered like harassment of like the people that are around,
Speaker 1: like to have your just your dick out when it's
Speaker 1: going to be blurred.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like you cover it up for other people.
Speaker 2: More than for your like for yourself. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 1: If you worked on the Peloton commercial, we need to
Speaker 1: know about the cock sock. Please let listen know it
Speaker 1: would be wagging.
Speaker 2: Is that what you said?
Speaker 3: I was doing so many exercises, like I feel like
Speaker 3: the blur would be moving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, any skin makes like a little cock sock. And
Speaker 1: he was like really tight in there like she.
Speaker 3: Was hanging out with some friends who were shitting on
Speaker 3: Skim's Hardcore.
Speaker 2: Lisa, don't say that. I just ordered a Skim's body
Speaker 2: suit yesterday. I hope they're good.
Speaker 3: They just said that they run really small. Everything is
Speaker 3: so small, because I did read that Chloe was like, no,
Speaker 3: one's pussy is that tiny.
Speaker 2: Please make it bigger.
Speaker 3: But that's all I thought.
Speaker 2: That was just like for breast.
Speaker 3: But someone that I don't even know who I was with,
Speaker 3: they were just like they're so tiny.
Speaker 1: I literally just bought it. I just bought like a
Speaker 1: bodysuit thing because I because I.
Speaker 3: Heard gray things. I I just heard this one negative
Speaker 3: thing that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to start shopping for a
Speaker 1: dress for my brother's wedding and I might as well
Speaker 1: have shape wear and blah blah blah. So I just
Speaker 1: ordered it yesterday. So much of it is sold out,
Speaker 1: like I'm ordering l XL and a lot of it
Speaker 1: is like a lot of the colors are sold out,
Speaker 1: but I.
Speaker 2: Found one, so I'll report back. And you're wearing a
Speaker 2: black dress or what? Yes, my brother wants is wearing black?
Speaker 2: That's not bad? Yeah? No, and you would whatever, You're
Speaker 2: gonna get a jumpsuit? No, no, no, I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: wear a dress, okay, yeah, quart or long.
Speaker 3: I've never seen you in a long dress, that don't they.
Speaker 1: I think long is like a black tie thing usually,
Speaker 1: so I don't. This isn't black tie. So I don't
Speaker 1: think I'll wear long okay, you know, but I have.
Speaker 1: I mean I've worn long to black tie.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I hope you don't get injured on the dance floor
Speaker 3: this time.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust anything because my brother and I really
Speaker 1: like to fucking freak out on the dance floor.
Speaker 2: Wait, what about his fiance?
Speaker 1: Oh he loves he is, Like you know what he
Speaker 1: does so well, Lisa, He does the duck walk thing.
Speaker 2: Oh ja queens.
Speaker 1: He gets down on his at like on his like heels,
Speaker 1: and he does it so well.
Speaker 2: My future brother in law Joe. Great.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be a fun fucking wedding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: What I just secured the babysitters so that I can
Speaker 1: ship those kids off and start breaking my knee again.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Oh well, the babysitter come to the wedding and like
Speaker 3: pick them up.
Speaker 2: No, we're going to put them to bed.
Speaker 1: And then it's just like a woman sitting there to
Speaker 1: like text us, we're all still.
Speaker 2: I thought she's a flower girl. She is, so she'll
Speaker 2: be at the wedding parper reception.
Speaker 1: We'll put her away, got it, got dancing dinner and
Speaker 1: all that I think the kids will be gone.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I've been rewatching.
Speaker 3: I watched season nine to lull me to sleep of
Speaker 3: drag Race yesterday. Also, I finally understand the pain of
Speaker 3: Canadians and the UK and everyone who's ever had struggles.
Speaker 3: It took me two hours to get the VPN working.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what an applicated.
Speaker 2: It was just so much.
Speaker 3: But now and now my question is do I leave
Speaker 3: the VPN on the whole time consistently or only when
Speaker 3: I'm trying to watch things from America?
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Well, if you pay for it, if you leave it
Speaker 1: on or something I paid for one month, then Casey
Speaker 1: is nodding, no, not leave it on. No, he's nodding
Speaker 1: that you don't pay for it, so you might as
Speaker 1: well just leave it on, right in case you want
Speaker 1: to go anywhere, because you might be going to other
Speaker 1: you might be going to Netflix or other shit that
Speaker 1: isn't working the same way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But and so many Canadian things had season one
Speaker 3: and then season seven on, but two through six.
Speaker 2: Is not here? Isn't that weird? Like what happened?
Speaker 1: You guys just couldn't negotiate those five seasons like What's happened?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: I had no idea, but I finally like usually, I've
Speaker 3: been very dismissive of the struggle, and now I understand.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: I'm just here saying I am with you obviously. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I did I listen. I will tell everyone I
Speaker 3: have a very very small part of Nope.
Speaker 2: It's very small.
Speaker 1: But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're you're glossing over it.
Speaker 1: You said Nope so quickly. Nope is the new Jordan
Speaker 1: Peele movie.
Speaker 2: This is huge.
Speaker 1: This is huge Jordan Curry, starring Daniel Kluya, starring Svu Alum,
Speaker 1: Kiky Palmer, and featuring That's Messed Up podcast host Lisa Trager.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see it.
Speaker 3: So my hairstylist texted me last night, going, wait, I
Speaker 3: saw your name in the credits, but she did not
Speaker 3: see me in the movie at all, so that's kind
Speaker 3: of funny. But then I did go, okay, so I'll
Speaker 3: go from the beginning. I since it's such a small
Speaker 3: part and Universal was being so stingy, I only got
Speaker 3: tickets to this the cast and cruise screening, and that
Speaker 3: was very fun. It was a tragic moment that day
Speaker 3: we found out whatever. It was like a tough day.
Speaker 3: I think I was too hot, Like I had a
Speaker 3: good time, my friend was there. Was exciting, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't really that in it. And then they did secure
Speaker 3: me one ticket for the premiere alone, no party.
Speaker 2: I got into the party. You're going to get into
Speaker 2: the party?
Speaker 3: Well, my agent goes, They're only giving you one ticket
Speaker 3: to the screening, but I'm sure you can talk your
Speaker 3: way into the party.
Speaker 2: And I didn't even have to try that hard.
Speaker 3: I got someone gave me the ticket and bracelet that
Speaker 3: didn't care. So I was excited. I got to see
Speaker 3: it again. It's at the Chinese Theater, so I was really,
Speaker 3: you know, thrilled. I showed up like hours early because
Speaker 3: I was so pair like scared. My name was not
Speaker 3: at the tickets, so I had to keep showing my
Speaker 3: confirmation email. I'm like, I promise I'm in it. Like
Speaker 3: it was humiliating. But then they're like just here and
Speaker 3: they gave me a ticket and I got to go in.
Speaker 3: I tried to get on the red carpet. They said no, no,
Speaker 3: no, no no. So I went in and immediately I saw
Speaker 3: Bill Burr and Bobby Lee and I people I knew,
Speaker 3: so that was really nice. And then Kalila she was
Speaker 3: there as well, and I'd never met her. I just
Speaker 3: know of her, and so she was like, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to the party. You can take my ticket, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, thank you. So I
Speaker 3: got the bracelet. I sat next to a man who
Speaker 3: I know is famous because all these there was a
Speaker 3: girl from Blackish there, like there it was a who'sho
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan, I saw Droe from Insecure?
Speaker 2: Wow, Well where was the party? Oh?
Speaker 3: So the party was at the mother Wolf.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I've been wanting to go there.
Speaker 3: I know it's the hip place. I had a couple things.
Speaker 3: So at the party, Bobby Lee left immediately. I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna like stay by you for a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't really know anyone here. He left immediately, and
Speaker 3: but he and so Nick Kroll and I Barenholts were there,
Speaker 3: and Nick Kroll I couldn't believe he goes you were
Speaker 3: my favorite part of the movie, and so that was
Speaker 3: kind of funny. I liked that so much. But you know,
Speaker 3: I do know little the community and who is in
Speaker 3: get Out, who plays the tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so thank god I knew him.
Speaker 3: I stood by him and his girlfriend for a long time,
Speaker 3: next to Jordan, next to everyone. So there's like a
Speaker 3: photo that Lil Rel, Daniel Kulia, and Jordan Peele took
Speaker 3: together and I was standing right in front of it,
Speaker 3: and I wish I had the balls to be like, oh,
Speaker 3: let me hop in, but I did it.
Speaker 2: That would be amazing.
Speaker 3: The little boy from US was at the party and
Speaker 3: he was so cute. And there's a really little cute
Speaker 3: boy in Nope that is so cute, and he was
Speaker 3: like he was at the party and I liked.
Speaker 2: I like the kids.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait to watch it. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you got I want to go to that
Speaker 1: restaurant too.
Speaker 2: I know, well I talked to the bartenders, of course.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I have not been alone at a party for a while,
Speaker 3: and I really had to like work out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was annoying.
Speaker 1: It's very like I'm I'm not going to be I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be like condescending and say hashtag brave,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's like brave to be at
Speaker 1: a party alone.
Speaker 2: I truly, if that's me I walk in, I do
Speaker 2: one loop. I don't see anyone.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm out the front door, like I really
Speaker 1: just can't. I don't have the I don't have it
Speaker 1: in me, Like I can't strike up conversations with bartender,
Speaker 1: like I just I need one person.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: So I know.
Speaker 2: I went, that's cool that you stay.
Speaker 3: Tiffany Hattis was I mean, I knew enough, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I worked with some people in the scene,
Speaker 3: but of course they don't remember some me. I'd go
Speaker 3: up to these actors and be like, hey, I'm the.
Speaker 2: Girl that you know. I'm not gonna ring anything anything.
Speaker 2: I was like, that was me.
Speaker 3: We were on set and they'd be like, okay, well
Speaker 3: this is my wife and you need to leave.
Speaker 2: Breeding guys got it.
Speaker 3: But I was alone, just circling. I ran into some people.
Speaker 3: But you know, knowing little rel is pretty important, you know,
Speaker 3: that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was little relative premiere once too. He's a
Speaker 1: very very nice person and fun guy to hang out with.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, and I talked about but the bartender
Speaker 3: told me, if you want to go to mother, well,
Speaker 3: if you have to make reservations eight days in advance.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I thought you were gonna say months or something.
Speaker 2: Eight days.
Speaker 3: He's had eight days and he was raving. He's like,
Speaker 3: I worked with a lot of places. They care well.
Speaker 2: Blah.
Speaker 3: He was the partender, was very into it. They had
Speaker 3: a drink with like glitter in it and a cloud.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of whatever. Seeing the movie the second time,
Speaker 3: I was really grateful for it because it's it's gorgeous,
Speaker 3: it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 3: The acting is incredible, it's suspenseful, it's funny. It's like
Speaker 3: it's a great summer fucking horror block back.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait. I mean, you know, I see
Speaker 1: his movies and I'm always like, do I understand that?
Speaker 1: Like I love I love them, but I'm always they
Speaker 1: make me think so much.
Speaker 2: I'm always like, wait, now what did this mean?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean us was like really like, but like
Speaker 1: you know, I got well, yeah, I'm gonna read.
Speaker 3: There's a few things where I can't wait till the recap,
Speaker 3: like the analysis come out, because I do have a
Speaker 3: couple of questions about certain things. But gotcha, not everything
Speaker 3: is super clear, but the acting is insane. It was
Speaker 3: just like really cool and the special effects. I bet
Speaker 3: it's gonna win Oscars, Like it really was cool and
Speaker 3: it's exciting to have. I took photos of the titles,
Speaker 3: what is it?
Speaker 2: The credits, but also going to the.
Speaker 3: Cast and cruse screening was really cool because I've never
Speaker 3: it was cool watching the credits with all the crew
Speaker 3: and so clapping like it was a high school graduation.
Speaker 3: And it really takes so many people to make a movie.
Speaker 1: Totally credits blow my mind, like a live movie credits.
Speaker 1: If you ever see what like sat through animation credits,
Speaker 1: it's just like multiple teams in multiple countries like doing
Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's like wild, how many people work
Speaker 1: on a movie that's so funny that your friend didn't
Speaker 1: see you? Because Jared, the same thing happened to Jared.
Speaker 1: He's in the first two minutes of the movie stupor,
Speaker 1: and he has like one line and his parents were
Speaker 1: like getting to their seats and they completely missed his
Speaker 1: hard and they were looking for him like the whole
Speaker 1: movie and they're like, were you in it?
Speaker 2: Did you get caught out?
Speaker 3: So no, And it's extra special like being on set,
Speaker 3: like it was one of the greatest moments of my life,
Speaker 3: Like I just loved doing that it makes you want
Speaker 3: to do it more and more. But also you know,
Speaker 3: all the people we interview on this show, Like my
Speaker 3: favorite part is looking through people's IMDb credits and like
Speaker 3: seeing these like long cool careers and where everyone started.
Speaker 2: So it just.
Speaker 3: Feels yeah special, it's very cool. You guys see me
Speaker 3: up top. I'm towards the beginning of the film.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, everybody goes see Nope, everybody goes se nope.
Speaker 5: And I've been keeping this a secret for so long.
Speaker 5: I know, I filmed this last May or June. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 5: like a year ago. Yeah, yeah, crazy, And then they
Speaker 5: filmed all summer. I mean you got, like the amount
Speaker 5: of work that went into this. I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: They were filming in the desert, like twelve hour days
Speaker 3: every day all summer long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait. Okay, I'm gonna go see it.
Speaker 3: And Jordan did call me Liza, but it's okay.
Speaker 6: As he hugged me, Hey, you gotta hug It was
Speaker 6: like the wedding Jordan Peele likes you. I mean I was, yeah,
Speaker 6: I said, thanks for putting me in your movie, and
Speaker 6: he goes, oh, Liza, and I went, yes, it's me.
Speaker 2: Eliza Eliza with a z baby.
Speaker 3: It was a who's too And I wanted to go
Speaker 3: up to Oh the guy from Hacks, the like CEO
Speaker 3: of debating company, was there and he was dressed great,
Speaker 3: and I kept wanting to go up to him, and
Speaker 3: then I didn't.
Speaker 2: But it was exciting. He was loving beautifully.
Speaker 3: But it is when you get to these places, it's
Speaker 3: just like any other kind of part, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh wow, a Hollywood premiere.
Speaker 3: But it is just like, here's like a little mac
Speaker 3: and cheese and a container.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a bunch of people like standing around in
Speaker 1: like small groups being like do we know anyone else here?
Speaker 2: I don't know? Should we go? Like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I think I texted you this. But I
Speaker 3: did talk to one of the actresses in the movie
Speaker 3: and she's like, what are you doing. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm going to Montreal for the Just for Laughs festival.
Speaker 3: She was I know about Just for Laughs and she
Speaker 3: learned about it from The Big Sick Khumel and Emily's movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have to tell Emily that that's so funny. I
Speaker 1: would say most people don't know about Montreal.
Speaker 3: No, you know, the biggest thing of my Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I talked so one guy who's been a manager for
Speaker 3: a minute, but I was like, oh, are you going
Speaker 3: to Montreal? And he goes, I think I've just outgrown it,
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: It's been on hold for two years.
Speaker 3: It's just people trying to be cool and it's very yeah,
Speaker 3: silly and annoying.
Speaker 1: Well, we're cool and we have to start our podcast,
Speaker 1: so let's get our episode going.
Speaker 2: It's another heartwarming episode of Law and.
Speaker 1: Order RESVU and a crime you won't believe. Stay tuned,
Speaker 1: all right, here we go episode three of season twenty
Speaker 1: Zero Tolerance, a really heartwarming episode that aired in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Trump administration in two thousand and I know.
Speaker 3: My favorite was when Kroen went, why are we doing this?
Speaker 3: Why did we pick this one?
Speaker 1: But I always say that, and then we always end
Speaker 1: up having a good time with it. Okay, So we
Speaker 1: open on, which is.
Speaker 3: Just hard because it's it's like it was happening to
Speaker 3: It's like not to us, obviously we were not, but
Speaker 3: it's like it is weird when it's a full current
Speaker 3: of that and you're in it and you're watching it
Speaker 3: and you're like, it is like it's just a lot.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like when we did the Row episode, Like
Speaker 1: it's like just yeah, it's a it's a harder slog
Speaker 1: than than regular crimes against people.
Speaker 2: Yes, someone's good and long and dead. Who cares? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So we open on Rollins in her apartment with her
Speaker 1: daughter Jesse, living my fantasy of getting a child to
Speaker 1: eat broccoli.
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 1: She goes, Jesse, eat your brocoli, and Jesse's like okay
Speaker 1: and just starts eating broccoli.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? What a magic trick.
Speaker 1: She gets a knock at the door and it's doctor
Speaker 1: al Pollock and he has like the face of an actor,
Speaker 1: like he has the face of like another like of
Speaker 1: another actor or something who I've seen my whole life,
Speaker 1: but it's not this guy. And he just has his
Speaker 1: face and he is Amanda's on again, off again boyfriend
Speaker 1: and I in the previous episode we found out that
Speaker 1: she is pregnant with his child. And in that same
Speaker 1: episode you see Rollins come back from the bathroom and
Speaker 1: see and find him giving his number to a waitress.
Speaker 2: So you know, like when he.
Speaker 1: Comes to the door, she's like, I don't want any
Speaker 1: like pretends he's a traveling salesman, and then a traveling salesman,
Speaker 1: I'm like a solicitor. My brain is there's there's in
Speaker 1: death of a salesman. Yeah, I just don't know if
Speaker 1: that happens anymore, death of anytime.
Speaker 3: Like on Shark Tank, when someone says they sold stuff
Speaker 3: door to door, Mark Cuban does like a really condescending,
Speaker 3: fake little clap, like he they love a door to
Speaker 3: door salesman. They love someone that gets out there and
Speaker 3: sells and nothing's gonna stop them.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 2: Like if on Shark Tank they.
Speaker 3: Go, I started with only three hundred dollars, no investors,
Speaker 3: They're like what, Like they love a struggle because they
Speaker 3: felt like they struggled.
Speaker 2: Sure, wow, I could never do that, like Cutcoast, cutcoa
Speaker 2: knives could be I was tricked. I thought I got
Speaker 2: a job, but it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I just like for my training, got in a van
Speaker 3: with a man and then we sold little like fake
Speaker 3: like weird Disney Computer's door to door and it was
Speaker 3: humiliating and I didn't know how to get out, and
Speaker 3: then I never went back. But I like was so
Speaker 3: excited I got a job, and then it was selling
Speaker 3: things out of a van. Oh no, a weird man,
Speaker 3: but maybe he's on shirk.
Speaker 1: Ting now who knows, Yeah, little Disney computers.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So so he's there with a bunch of sunflowers and
Speaker 1: she's like, you were giving your number to a waitress
Speaker 1: and he's like, I was giving her mother my number
Speaker 1: because the waitress knew I was a cardiologist. Her mom's
Speaker 1: having a stint put in and just asked me to
Speaker 1: call her mom to assure her that it's all routine
Speaker 1: because she's nervous. And Amanda's like buying it, but she's like, well, then,
Speaker 1: what's with the apology flowers? And he's like, well, you
Speaker 1: didn't call me back about going to the Van Go exhibit,
Speaker 1: so I thought i'd bring Van Go to you.
Speaker 2: And I just don't think he has a trustworthy face.
Speaker 3: No, But also, why would the waitress know you're a
Speaker 3: heart surgeon?
Speaker 1: Why are you talking to her? Yeah, shady, yeah, a
Speaker 1: regular lunch spot. I don't know, excuses. And it's like
Speaker 1: he also previously cheated on her with an escort, so
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's not it's not beyond.
Speaker 2: The realm of possibility that he's full of shit.
Speaker 1: So Amanda buys it, and she does that thing where
Speaker 1: she goes it's not really a good time. But then
Speaker 1: she goes back into the apartment and leaves the door
Speaker 1: wide open, so obviously, come on in. He immediately starts
Speaker 1: sucking up to Jesse, high fives. He's really laying it on,
Speaker 1: like the dad routine, pretty thick. He starts reading her
Speaker 1: a book and like mooing with her, and Amanda's got
Speaker 1: this look on her face like, Okay, maybe a baby
Speaker 1: daddy would be nice to not have to do this
Speaker 1: all on my own. And then we cut to a
Speaker 1: car service driver just driving through the city in the rain.
Speaker 1: He pulls up to a guy who's like frantic, going,
Speaker 1: my daughter is sick, And then he goes and scoops
Speaker 1: this teen who's wrapped in a sheet off of a stoop,
Speaker 1: and then they get in the car go to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and when they get to the er, he fully just
Speaker 1: pushes this girl out of the car like the car's
Speaker 1: barely stopped, and then just tells the driver to drive.
Speaker 1: And the driver's like wait what, and he's like just drive,
Speaker 1: so very fucked up.
Speaker 2: The car speeds off and we're up the credits.
Speaker 1: Very two different two different evenings happening for people. Rollins
Speaker 1: is having her broccoli. This girl's getting pushed out of
Speaker 1: a car. So now at the top of act one,
Speaker 1: the gorgeous doctor Darby Wilder played by Evanna Kopa's right
Speaker 1: is giving the rundown to Vincent and Creasy. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll send you guys the security footage. The girl wouldn't
Speaker 1: let us run a rape kit, but there's obvious signs
Speaker 1: of sexual trauma. And they go talk to the victim
Speaker 1: and she does look very rough and Caresee's like, oh,
Speaker 1: can we talk, and then the girl's like not really responding.
Speaker 1: So Olivia goes into Olivia mode and is like, hh,
Speaker 1: you can call me Olivia, and the girls immediately like okay,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you. And her name is Delilah. She
Speaker 1: doesn't remember how she got to the hospital. She took
Speaker 1: some pills and she said that uncle Luke gave them
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: He's not really her uncle. Yeah, Luke's a bad name.
Speaker 1: M there's not a lot of good Luke. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't think of Maybe Luke Perry rest in peace. But
Speaker 1: Luke's like a gross It's like Trevor, It's like just
Speaker 1: it's kind of a bad name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get some messages.
Speaker 1: So she says, she says Uncle Luke would never hurt her,
Speaker 1: but then sent her. But he did send her on
Speaker 1: a date with one of his friends. So we're not
Speaker 1: getting a great picture of Uncle Luke here. And he
Speaker 1: never makes me go back if I don't want to.
Speaker 1: He loves me, and it's like, yeah, Pimplert, we got
Speaker 1: to watch out here. So now we're at SVU and
Speaker 1: Careese is updating Finn and he's like, yeah, the girl
Speaker 1: was groomed to keep her mouth shut, and there's nothing
Speaker 1: on anyone named Uncle Luke popping in the system. What
Speaker 1: are you putting in an Uncle Luke into the system?
Speaker 1: I don't understand how that works. But Rollins has the
Speaker 1: security footage from the hospital now and they watched the
Speaker 1: whole drop off go down that we've already seen, and
Speaker 1: then they can't make out the plate, but Finn is like,
Speaker 1: that's a tea plate. Could be an uber or a
Speaker 1: car service. Let's send it to Terru to clean it up,
Speaker 1: even though that's not real. And then next Rollins and
Speaker 1: Finn are at a garage trying to track down the
Speaker 1: driver when they get there, the driver's friend immediately bolts
Speaker 1: and Iced Tea goes Welcome to America in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Because this is right at the height of the Trump
Speaker 1: administrations like immigration, terrorism and ice and sanctuary cities and
Speaker 1: all that, that was like really where they were, you know,
Speaker 1: cracking down quote unquote on immigration.
Speaker 2: So they asked this.
Speaker 1: Guy about the driver about Delilah, and he tells the
Speaker 1: whole story. He's like, I thought it was this guy's daughter.
Speaker 1: I wanted to call the police, but and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: you're illegal. And the driver's name is Chinia Ewobe and
Speaker 1: he's like, I've been your ten years.
Speaker 2: I have a wife and kids. You can't send me back.
Speaker 2: And then he.
Speaker 1: Said, like last week, He's like, I got robbed at
Speaker 1: gunpoint for six hundred dollars and I was too scared
Speaker 1: to report it. And this is like a huge reason
Speaker 1: why one of like these immigration policies from Trump were
Speaker 1: so damaging. It's like people don't report crimes. People feel
Speaker 1: emboldened to commit crimes against vulnerable populations like this because
Speaker 1: they know that they won't call the police. And people
Speaker 1: also stand by and don't help other people out because
Speaker 1: of what it could mean for them and their status
Speaker 1: and their families. So it's really it's more than just
Speaker 1: like oh no, don't send me. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: the they live. They are here and living and working
Speaker 1: and doing and having lives, and then they're just living
Speaker 1: in constant fear of like attack.
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Finn, the hero goes, listen if that happens to
Speaker 1: you again.
Speaker 3: Do you remember during this in New York, like delivery
Speaker 3: drivers were getting reported by like a military base they
Speaker 3: were delivering to, Like people were reporting the drivers, and
Speaker 3: so then there was like a no delivery zone and
Speaker 3: all these people weren't delivering food to like these areas
Speaker 3: where all these cops lived in military people that were reporting.
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, I don't know that. I mean, I hope
Speaker 3: I'm not telling it wrong. I just remember being like livid.
Speaker 3: That is super fucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they'll go.
Speaker 3: I mean, ICE agents were at the Vivaldi shooting, like
Speaker 3: they're just like the worst people in the world.
Speaker 2: Know that that's awful.
Speaker 3: Yes, they they show up, we'll talk about it. But
Speaker 3: they'll show up to any tragedy to like ruin people,
Speaker 3: or like they'll show up to people's jobs.
Speaker 2: They'll go to home like they are bad people. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Our friend cut out someone from their lives because their
Speaker 3: husband was an Ice agent. And she was like, I
Speaker 3: don't want I'm never talking to you again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Gross, yeah, horrible.
Speaker 1: So Finn goes, listen, if this happens to you again,
Speaker 1: take my card, you call me. You know, Finn helping
Speaker 1: out people, one person at a time. Finn helps and
Speaker 1: then he described the driver, describes the dude.
Speaker 2: He's like, he was a white guy, forties, gray hair.
Speaker 1: I picked him up on twenty fifth Street near the
Speaker 1: high Line, next to a pizza place. He's got a
Speaker 1: great memory for this ride. I mean he should I
Speaker 1: think what happened? Yeah, So they walk out and Finn
Speaker 1: is like on the phone calling Kreese to help him
Speaker 1: track this guy down, and Rowlins is insulted. She doesn't
Speaker 1: like being treated with kid gloves when she's pregnant. We
Speaker 1: know that she basically wants to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: strapping a bulletproof vest onto her eight month pregnant belly
Speaker 1: if she could. And Finn's like, well, what if something happens?
Speaker 1: And Rowlins is like, that's not your problem. Stop treating
Speaker 1: me like I'm a ride along. It's like all right,
Speaker 1: and then they're like, well care, she's gonna meet us.
Speaker 1: There is that Okay, So now it's the three of
Speaker 1: them at this building a twenty fifth Street, knocking on
Speaker 1: doors and uh, you know this one woman goes that
Speaker 1: sounds like the guest in room in four B his
Speaker 1: name is Vince. I love how she knows an Airbnb
Speaker 1: guest and like he's probably been there for five days.
Speaker 1: She's like, his name is Vince, his wife's name is Kathy,
Speaker 1: he's got four kids.
Speaker 3: Well, you write a little letter sometimes when you want
Speaker 3: to get into an Airbnb.
Speaker 2: Really you're right while you're staying. Like I remember when
Speaker 2: I was no, but it's not her apartment. Oh my god, Okay,
Speaker 2: I was like you're writing ATA.
Speaker 1: I mean I used to be like if anyone could
Speaker 1: I illegally airbaby be my place in New York constantly
Speaker 1: when I would go do comedy and like I would
Speaker 1: just be like, if you see anyone, you're my friend, Like,
Speaker 1: don't don't tell anyone, this is Airbnb. Like I had
Speaker 1: a full setup with every and everyone's like everyone knew.
Speaker 2: They were like we know how it is in New York. City, like,
Speaker 2: don't worry.
Speaker 1: So she knows Vince. He's the guest down the hall.
Speaker 1: They pushed their way into this. The guy comes to
Speaker 1: the door, they push their way in, asking them all
Speaker 1: these questions. He's like, I'm in town for the auto
Speaker 1: show from Cincinnati, and of course Finn knows exactly the
Speaker 1: dates of the auto show and he's like that was
Speaker 1: two days ago. And the guy's like, yeah, I'm on
Speaker 1: my way to Laguardier right now. He's like the world,
Speaker 1: I hope he's a better muffler salesman than he is
Speaker 1: a liar, because he's like horrible at lying. They find
Speaker 1: a glittery jelly fisherman sandal and this guy.
Speaker 2: Has called fisherman sandal.
Speaker 1: That's a fisherman sandal when it has like the big
Speaker 1: like woven strap sandal. Yeah, I think so, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. A million dms and he's got excuses, excuses, excuses.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, yeah, I went to a movie last night,
Speaker 1: the new Tom Cruise movie, like the worst liar of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 3: It's like, did you see Mickey Rourke was like shitting
Speaker 3: on Tom Cruise on television.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm hitting stuff, but I'm eating the stable. Okay.
Speaker 2: Mickey Rourke was shitting on Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was on Pierce Morgan being like, fuck Tom Cruise,
Speaker 3: he's a bad agon.
Speaker 2: I'm a better actor.
Speaker 1: He was just we see Mickey Rourke because he loves
Speaker 1: SV and just discovered it a year ago.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that. He was just like that fucker
Speaker 3: doesn't challenge himself. He'sn't playing the same character for twenty years,
Speaker 3: like Mickey work just had it out for Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: I love it. I hate Tom Cruise. I won't see
Speaker 1: his movies. So they arrest this guy, not on purpose,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I've still Mission Impossible one as a
Speaker 1: child that was a scientology of it all. He's so
Speaker 1: high up there and it's like there, it's just too
Speaker 1: it's too. I don't know, should we cut this. I'm
Speaker 1: so scared of Scientology coming after me. I did a
Speaker 1: whole I talk about it quietly. Wait, what did we
Speaker 1: not mention it during the Credo episode? You know?
Speaker 3: I rewatched a Credo and it's like, wow, that was
Speaker 3: so long ago. We talked to Sebastian like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Was pregnant, my kid's a year old. It was a
Speaker 1: while ago. Yeah, can the listeners tell we were drinking
Speaker 1: must Yeah, like my episode is swimming in Vonka soda. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh we have fun, Yeah we do.
Speaker 2: We have a good time.
Speaker 1: So so they arrest the guy and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: is seeing a movie in New York a crime now?
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, but rape is And then Rollin's
Speaker 1: does the old oops a daisy and shoves the guy
Speaker 1: into a door frame on the way out, And this
Speaker 1: show really does love to flirt with police brutality, you know,
Speaker 1: just a little just shove a guy's head against a
Speaker 1: like a banister or something.
Speaker 2: You know, if you rape a child, I'm hitting you
Speaker 2: on the man.
Speaker 1: Yes, And you push a fourteen year old out of
Speaker 1: a fucking car. And then on the way out, Coreesy
Speaker 1: grabs a guy's phone, So now we're in interrogation and
Speaker 1: he slides the phone across the table and the phone's
Speaker 1: buzzing and ringing and it's this guy's wife and she
Speaker 1: will not stop calling.
Speaker 2: And like, I have Jared on find my friends.
Speaker 1: So if I like located him and he was at
Speaker 1: the sixteenth Precinct in Manhattan, we'd have some problems. So
Speaker 1: he's like tell us what happened with the fourteen year
Speaker 1: old girl. We might let you pick up the phone
Speaker 1: and talk to your family, because now his son's calling
Speaker 1: to And he's like, okay, fine, I'm sorry. He like
Speaker 1: fully just folds. The man is so dumb, He says,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't know she was on something when
Speaker 1: she started zoning out. I took her to the hospital.
Speaker 1: That was the right thing to do. And then Icedy
Speaker 1: fucks with this guy so already goes, oh, you brought
Speaker 1: her to the hospital, You're free to go, and he
Speaker 1: goes really and starts to get up, and Finn goes, no, asshole,
Speaker 1: sit down, And I think they get like one asshole
Speaker 1: a season, you think, So, yeah, they don't say asshole
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see it more.
Speaker 3: No, And I love that he thinks throwing a woman
Speaker 3: onto the ground is like taking her to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like ignoring the fact that you were having sex
Speaker 1: with a fourteen year old yeah, and then pushed her.
Speaker 2: Out of a vehicle. Yeah, And yeah, like it's not
Speaker 2: like you went in and helped her at the paperwork,
Speaker 2: right right?
Speaker 1: Ugh, So this was the one asshole for season twenty,
Speaker 1: And I'd love to see more. If you're a writer
Speaker 1: on the show and you listen, love to hear some
Speaker 1: more assholes. So anyway, this dumb man who should have
Speaker 1: lawyered up immediately finally caves that he got Luke's number
Speaker 1: off of back Page last year at the auto show
Speaker 1: before they show down back Page, and he just you know,
Speaker 1: kept that filed in his phone as a guy who
Speaker 1: gets me teenagers to fuck when I'm in New York,
Speaker 1: disgusting or to assault. Excuse me, you better call Luke,
Speaker 1: they tell him and tell him you're hanging on to
Speaker 1: Delilah for another day and you have a friend who's interested,
Speaker 1: and then we'll let you talk to your wife. So
Speaker 1: now we're in Brooklyn and we're midstaying Operation. Finn's hanging
Speaker 1: out on the sidewalk looking fully like a cop, just
Speaker 1: like a man on the street with like his arms
Speaker 1: at his sides, waiting to do a deal, and Live
Speaker 1: and Cares are in the car stakeout style and Careese's like,
Speaker 1: so what's going on with Rollins and Lives? Like, if
Speaker 1: you want to know something about Rollins, maybe you should
Speaker 1: ask Rowlins. And he's like, she's pregnant, isn't she like
Speaker 1: everyone on this show can sniff out when people are
Speaker 1: pregnant and lives like caresy, in what world am I
Speaker 1: going to gossip with you about this? Like why who
Speaker 1: do you think you're talking to right now? So then
Speaker 1: that conversation kind of tape peters off, and then the
Speaker 1: guy shows up to talk to Finn, and Finn give
Speaker 1: him a lot of cash and says this is for
Speaker 1: me and this is the extra for Vince. And the
Speaker 1: guy's like all right and brings them upstairs and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna like what you see upstairs is kind of
Speaker 1: like a dirty loft with bunk beds and pink lighting,
Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of teen girls hanging out. And
Speaker 1: the girls like line up to like present themselves to Finn,
Speaker 1: and they are so young, like great job to the
Speaker 1: costume department. Also they're in like overalls and cut off shorts,
Speaker 1: like they just look like kids right like, And Finn
Speaker 1: sees a little girl, then an even littler girl like
Speaker 1: behind fencing, like I can't say she's in a cage,
Speaker 1: but she's like behind fence, like fenced wire, and she's
Speaker 1: much younger, like I thought maybe she was ten and
Speaker 1: He's like, what about her? And the guy goes, She's
Speaker 1: not on the menu just yet. Ew, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I got more over here he's gathering more girls together,
Speaker 1: and then Finn goes, so I can just pick one
Speaker 1: and do whatever, and the guy goes, well within reason,
Speaker 1: like don't mess up my investment. That wouldn't be cool.
Speaker 1: And then he goes, so you seem like a guy
Speaker 1: with great taste. Have you made your decision yet? And
Speaker 1: Finn goes, I have and pulls out his badge and goes,
Speaker 1: you're under rest. Then this dumb ass guy like tries
Speaker 1: to make a run for it. Olivia flies out a
Speaker 1: fucking nowhere. Should I say her stunt double? This is
Speaker 1: not this is not Marishka Hargate's body like it just
Speaker 1: like I could just tell the way this person is
Speaker 1: moving that it's not her. And she just flies out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, tackles this guy's ass right to the ground,
Speaker 1: and then they go live and Mauricia Argatay's face turns around.
Speaker 1: It's it's a great it's a great moment for me.
Speaker 1: If this was a live show, I would be showing
Speaker 1: a clip. Finn calls attention to the younger girl, and
Speaker 1: Live goes to check it out, and this poor little
Speaker 1: girl is so scared. She's like speaking Spanish and she's saying, please,
Speaker 1: don't hurt me, and Olivia goes, no, I'm with the police,
Speaker 1: and she does say puliticia, which is Italian. But let's
Speaker 1: give by lingual Benson a break here, and she says,
Speaker 1: don't take me and the little girl and she like
Speaker 1: looks very terrified. So that's the end of act one,
Speaker 1: and we've got this terrified little baby at the precinct.
Speaker 1: Stone walks in and we see like Cariese's asking this
Speaker 1: team like why do you run away from home?
Speaker 2: And she's like cause my parents freaking hate me.
Speaker 4: Duh.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, okay, I don't know you like being
Speaker 1: with Uncle Luke a lot better. Finn's talking to another
Speaker 1: girl about how she met Luke at the bus station
Speaker 1: and he bought her McDonald's and cool shoes, so we're
Speaker 1: kind of getting an idea of like how he's gathered
Speaker 1: all these girls like I found them like in different places,
Speaker 1: and Stone's like they're so young, and it's like, yes, Stone,
Speaker 1: it's your second season on SVU. You don't know that,
Speaker 1: like you know people assault teens on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: It's an epidemic. And liv is giving him the rundown.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, these girls are either from abusive homes
Speaker 1: or one was living with.
Speaker 2: Her quote unquote her demented grandmother.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, way harsh, Marishika. And he basically found
Speaker 1: them all on the street in parks. He took one
Speaker 1: off of a playground, so it's not it's not great.
Speaker 1: And they stay with him because they think they're contributing
Speaker 1: to the household. So he's got some kind of hold
Speaker 1: over them, like brainwashing style. And you know what, a
Speaker 1: lot of the pimps do it like I love you,
Speaker 1: I take care of you, blah blah blah. And there's
Speaker 1: just one who's terrified, and it's the little girl that
Speaker 1: we found behind the fencing, and Rollins is offering her water,
Speaker 1: asking her name, and she's just completely icing this bitch
Speaker 1: out like the little girl will not talk to Rollins.
Speaker 1: And the next thing we see are Stone and Creasy
Speaker 1: bursting into interrogation to really give it to Uncle Luke.
Speaker 1: And this man is a very cocky child trafficker, like
Speaker 1: many of them tend to be on this show. He
Speaker 1: acts like he acts like he runs like a house
Speaker 1: for underprivileged youth. He's like, I just take them in
Speaker 1: and I'm selling their company, not sex. And he says
Speaker 1: the girls love him and he loves the girls and
Speaker 1: we've heard this song song many times before. And he
Speaker 1: said they could have left any time they wanted. And
Speaker 1: Chrisy's like, well, you brainwash them, and what about this
Speaker 1: little one and he goes, oh, my little Gabriella. He
Speaker 1: says he rescued her from poort authority. She was just
Speaker 1: wandering around like you know, lost, and Stone's like, you're
Speaker 1: never going to touch another girl. I'm going to see
Speaker 1: to it. He goes blah blah blah. And then the
Speaker 1: lawyers up, so yeah, this man is definitely going to
Speaker 1: jail and acts like he's very gen shaw until recent news.
Speaker 1: Stone's like, have fun with your lawyer. It's not going
Speaker 1: to matter. So that's the end of Uncle Luke in
Speaker 1: an office. Now, Rollins is once again trying to talk
Speaker 1: to Gabriella, and this time she's talking and she says
Speaker 1: her last name is Sosa.
Speaker 2: She says she took a bus to New York.
Speaker 1: City and they're like, oh, was your family being mean
Speaker 1: to you, were they were they hurting you? And she's like, no,
Speaker 1: no one was hurting me. And then she says, I
Speaker 1: want my mommy and starts crying. It's really sad. And
Speaker 1: then the gang has gathered all around for an update
Speaker 1: and the other girls from that they founded Uncle Luke's
Speaker 1: are either headed to acs placements or home back to
Speaker 1: their parents, and now Gabriella is the sole focus, and
Speaker 1: Olivia does say, let's put her through Nickmick, which I
Speaker 1: know that on another episode. I did not know what
Speaker 1: that means, and many, many many have you messaged me,
Speaker 1: and it is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what she was saying last time, and
Speaker 1: now I know, Thank you all for letting me know.
Speaker 2: And so they get a hit.
Speaker 1: They put her right in there, and they get a hit,
Speaker 1: and there's a missing person alert for her from Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: New Jersey. And it wasn't her parents who reported her missing,
Speaker 1: it was the New Jersey Department of Children and Families,
Speaker 1: so she was in foster care. The plot thickens, so
Speaker 1: now we've got Rollin's in New Jersey with Careesy and
Speaker 1: CARESI is desperate for the tea. He starts telling Rollins
Speaker 1: about his cousin Nikki being pregnant with her fifth kid,
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, Rollin's she's not budging, like
Speaker 1: you can tell on her face that she's like he
Speaker 1: knows or whatever, but she's not giving it up. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, just like, fine, Rollins, why didn't you
Speaker 1: tell me she's mad? And she's like, tell you what,
Speaker 1: And then finally she goes, I tried to. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how. Just don't ask me a lot of questions
Speaker 1: right now. And then she goes and don't go all
Speaker 1: Catholic on me. Okay, it's very that you just don't
Speaker 1: need that. So I guess now he knows. Now he
Speaker 1: knows she's pregnant, and I don't know, he's probably heartbroken
Speaker 1: inside because you know, he is in love with her.
Speaker 1: And that the parents of the foster parents come rushing
Speaker 1: out and it's Kelly and Allan Welbeck and they say
Speaker 1: that they were they've been waiting for weeks for news
Speaker 1: about Gabriella and they're like, how did she get to
Speaker 1: New York City?
Speaker 2: You guys like you were supposed to keep her safe?
Speaker 1: And the parents were like, we did the best we could,
Speaker 1: but she's very distrustful of Americans. We quickly find out
Speaker 1: that Gabriella was sent to them from the border, where
Speaker 1: the government had separated her from her mother. So awful
Speaker 1: and timely in twenty eighteen, and today it's just like
Speaker 1: so barbarous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like when people say cruelty is the point, it's
Speaker 3: like who even came up with that?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's separated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's really it's Nazi shit, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's it's wild.
Speaker 1: And this episode, I think does a good job of
Speaker 1: showing you. Now we're in back in New York and
Speaker 1: the foster parents are going into Live's office and giving
Speaker 1: her all the info. They're like, they were picked up
Speaker 1: by the border in June her and her mother. The
Speaker 1: mother was arrested for unlawful entry, and the border agent
Speaker 1: grabbed Gabriella out of her mother's arms, and Live goes,
Speaker 1: that's insane, and I was like, yeah, just that, there's
Speaker 1: no other words. It's insane, Like it's hard to like
Speaker 1: actually believe that it's happening. And I think that's insane
Speaker 1: is a great sum up of that cluster. Fuck, she's
Speaker 1: seen it all yeah, yeah, it's hard to surprise Olivia Benson.
Speaker 1: And so the mom is being held in Texas and
Speaker 1: the Welbecks registered as a temporary foster family when they
Speaker 1: heard about the situation.
Speaker 2: I thought about doing that. I don't.
Speaker 1: I have to get like fully vetted and all that,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't think I would have. I
Speaker 1: might not have passed, but I was thinking, you're.
Speaker 3: Also giving the government way more credit than they deserve.
Speaker 3: That's true, we will learn later in this episode, but
Speaker 3: they do not. Actually, Oh god, I do really good
Speaker 3: background checks.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, great, can't wait.
Speaker 1: Benson tells the parents that she really admires them for
Speaker 1: taking that on and that's why I would do it,
Speaker 1: just so that Olivia Benson would tell me that she's
Speaker 1: proud of me. They tell Benson how Gabriella wouldn't even
Speaker 1: look at them for the first few days.
Speaker 2: She would just sit on the floor and cry for
Speaker 2: her mom.
Speaker 1: And they finally got her to eat, got her to
Speaker 1: play with their little boys a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: they tried to get her on the phone with her mom,
Speaker 1: but they like couldn't locate her, and then it was
Speaker 1: always like busy.
Speaker 2: The line was busy, so it was like, you know.
Speaker 1: True to form, everything that you've heard, it's a cluster fuck,
Speaker 1: like they've lost half some of these kids. They don't
Speaker 1: know who's connected to who, and they can't get them
Speaker 1: even on the phone with each other. So she, uh,
Speaker 1: Gabriella asked one of their sons, how do you get
Speaker 1: to Texas? And he told her you take a plane
Speaker 1: from New York City, but they didn't actually think she
Speaker 1: was gonna go do that. So Finn and Rollins are
Speaker 1: now with Gabriella asking her her favorite ice cream and
Speaker 1: we find out Finn's is salted caramel chocolate chip. I
Speaker 1: didn't know existed, but go off and he tells Rollins
Speaker 1: his bodega orders its special for him, which is funny,
Speaker 1: and that's cute.
Speaker 2: It seems cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gabriella opens up a little. She says her foster
Speaker 1: parents were nice, but she missed her mom.
Speaker 3: And because I don't think Finn grocery shops, No, he's
Speaker 3: a bodega meal guy, yeah for sure, for sure and
Speaker 3: take out.
Speaker 1: And they're just Gabriella is like, why did they take
Speaker 1: my mom? Like she doesn't understand why she's been separated
Speaker 1: from my mother because it's crazy. And Amanda's like, well,
Speaker 1: when she crossed the border, she broke the laws of
Speaker 1: our country.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, but what did I do?
Speaker 1: And that's so sad, and Rollins is just like, honey,
Speaker 1: you did nothing wrong. And now Live Rollins and Finn
Speaker 1: are talking about what to do. They can't send her
Speaker 1: back to foster parents because she'll just run away again,
Speaker 1: and Live says, we got to call the Office of
Speaker 1: Refugee Resettlement and let them know that she's with us,
Speaker 1: and Finn says, well, they're just going to send her
Speaker 1: to a tender age center. I hate that tender reminds
Speaker 1: me of like a tenderoni and that Michael Jackson song. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Rollins goes, I'll take her. It's like you're the queen
Speaker 1: of doing too much, like you truly have a child
Speaker 1: and another one on the way, and you're like, I'll
Speaker 1: just take her. I'm a cop, I work twenty hours
Speaker 1: a day, but I can do this. And Live's like, girl,
Speaker 1: you can't do that, and Rollins says like, well, you
Speaker 1: took Noah, and she's like this is really different. And
Speaker 1: now we find out that this is connected to Rollin's
Speaker 1: guilt about Ester Labot from the Book of esther episode,
Speaker 1: she's like, remember what happened the last time we let
Speaker 1: a girl walk out of here? And very different situations, Rolands,
Speaker 1: you actually killed Uster Labat with your gun. But so
Speaker 1: I but I can see how she's, you know, feels
Speaker 1: very guilty about that and is trying to, like, you know, karmically,
Speaker 1: karmically balance the scales a little bit, and Careese busts
Speaker 1: in to let them know that.
Speaker 2: They track down the mom's lawyer.
Speaker 1: She's at a federal detention center in Texas, and he's
Speaker 1: on his way there and he can set up a
Speaker 1: video call with Maria and Gabriella.
Speaker 2: The mother's name is Maria, so exciting.
Speaker 1: So on the video she's telling them about how she
Speaker 1: left Guatemala because her neighbor was like, take it out
Speaker 1: into the street by Lamara, which is a gang for
Speaker 1: witnessing a murder, Like this guy witnessed a murder, so
Speaker 1: they brought him out into the street and they killed him.
Speaker 1: And so she's like, I got some money from my
Speaker 1: family and I had a coyote take us to Mexico,
Speaker 1: but then this guy just left us at the border
Speaker 1: and we had to cross alone, and it's like, it's
Speaker 1: so fucking sad. This actress is great, Like when she's
Speaker 1: telling us, she's like, I was like getting emotional. It
Speaker 1: was really sad. And then the lawyer explains, he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get her asylum, but it could be
Speaker 1: months or years before it's all adjudicated. And you know
Speaker 1: at the government at that time and maybe now you'll
Speaker 1: tell me more later, but like they I don't think
Speaker 1: they think that kind of thing is like enough, like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's gangs, there's gangs everywhere, you know, deal with it.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's a it's living a life in
Speaker 1: terror that these people are trying to escape. So until
Speaker 1: then she just has to stay in jail and this
Speaker 1: could take, like, as I was saying, months or years
Speaker 1: that she'll be separated from her daughter and in jail
Speaker 1: waiting to see if she can even stay. And they
Speaker 1: let her talk to her mom and she goes, Mommy,
Speaker 1: it's me in Spanish, and I'm like crying, and then
Speaker 1: they're both just crying and saying I love you, and
Speaker 1: then like they've been on the phone for five full
Speaker 1: seconds and a guard comes in and is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: shut it down, shut it down, terminate the call. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know what's going on, but she only
Speaker 1: got to talk to her mom for like a second,
Speaker 1: and then the call goes dead and then Gabriella hugs
Speaker 1: Rollin's She's very devastated. It's like so sad, and we
Speaker 1: cut to Rollin. Now, this is an abrupt cut to
Speaker 1: me from like this little girl like not being able
Speaker 1: to talk to her mom on a FaceTime and suddenly
Speaker 1: Rollins is at this fancy restaurant eating with her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: her doctor boyfriend, and telling him all about Gabriella, and
Speaker 1: cares is watching.
Speaker 2: Watching the baby. That's what I wrote.
Speaker 1: Cariese is watching her, and I was like, Carisee's watching her. No,
Speaker 1: Cariese's watching Gabriella and the feds are picking her up
Speaker 1: tomorrow and like he's like wow, and she's like ten
Speaker 1: years old, and Rollin says yeah, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know how you guys do it, and she says, well,
Speaker 1: speaking of you're good with kids the other night, like
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, yeah, I love kids, like I
Speaker 1: almost did Peedes, but like I'm in too much debt,
Speaker 1: so I went with heart surgeon. I guess that's what
Speaker 1: he is, a heart surgeon, because he says he went
Speaker 1: into the o R.
Speaker 2: Then the Shabblee shows up.
Speaker 1: There's a bottle of shablee and he's like, I remember
Speaker 1: you saying you like this, and then he toasts his
Speaker 1: second chances and he goes or third if we're keeping score,
Speaker 1: and it's like, did.
Speaker 2: You fuck up a second time or not? Like what's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 1: And Amanda does not lift a glass for the toast,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't get it, and then she's like, I'm pregnant,
Speaker 1: and he's shocked for like a second and then immediately
Speaker 1: remembers a time that they raw dogged it on the
Speaker 1: fourth of July.
Speaker 2: I guess, And so you know, I think he knows
Speaker 2: how babies happen.
Speaker 1: And he immediately offers to take her for an abortion
Speaker 1: and pay for it and if that's what she wants
Speaker 1: to do, Like he barely takes a breath and he's like, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can google a clinic right now. Like
Speaker 1: he's really does not want to have it, and it's
Speaker 1: in theory, that's a nice offer from a partner, like
Speaker 1: you would want someone to you know, be supportive of
Speaker 1: your decision. But he jumps to it very quickly, and
Speaker 1: Amanda's kind of taken aback by how fast he jumps
Speaker 1: to like just termination, and it's very awkward. So he
Speaker 1: just starts chugging SHABBLEI and Amanda looks annoyed, and that's
Speaker 1: how we leave this scene. So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: I think she wanted a little bit more like, Wow,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a family, and he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: there's a plan parent around the corner. I think we
Speaker 1: could make it before they close. So at the precinct,
Speaker 1: Finn asks Careese how the babysitting is going, and Cariese goes, well,
Speaker 1: I played nineteen games of checkers and I learn green
Speaker 1: eggs and ham in Spanish. And then Finn goes, no
Speaker 1: me gusta, los suevos verde and it is it is
Speaker 1: no me gusta, but I will let Finn have this one.
Speaker 1: And then in walks friend of the pod, Andy Powers,
Speaker 1: a buddy that we talked to from season four episode
Speaker 1: called Vulnerable that we covered and now he is back
Speaker 1: sixteen seasons later playing Jeff Phelps. We talked to him
Speaker 1: a little bit about this role too, if you want
Speaker 1: to go back and revisit the interview.
Speaker 2: Well, my favorite thing he.
Speaker 3: Told us about little baby Gabrielle Sosa is that she
Speaker 3: loved the pizza. That she could not get enough of
Speaker 3: the pizza.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It was really I forgot.
Speaker 3: And if you don't remember Andy Powers, he told an
Speaker 3: amazing story of thinking on Oz that he got jerked
Speaker 3: off on by Maloney, but Maloney just spit on him.
Speaker 3: So that was a fun story for us.
Speaker 2: Really all should go back and listen to the Andy Power.
Speaker 2: Andy Powers made an impression. Yeah, it was great. He
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 1: So he is playing Jeff Phelps from the Office of
Speaker 1: Refugee Resettlement and he's there for Gabriella and Benson's like,
Speaker 1: let me see the paperwork. And he tells her that
Speaker 1: Gabrielle is going to go to Fort Sterling and Benson's like, oh,
Speaker 1: behind razor wire and he's like, no, ma'am. It's a
Speaker 1: dorm like setting with other miners. It's like summer camp.
Speaker 1: And it's like, bitch, get summer camp out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: You don't know what summer camp is like. If you
Speaker 1: think that's it, And they bring out Gabriella and he
Speaker 1: and she sees Phelps and gets really really upset immediately
Speaker 1: and says, don't take me again. And Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean again? And she says, that's the
Speaker 1: man who took me away from her mother. So it's
Speaker 1: like the like, the idea that the person that already
Speaker 1: took it from your mother like now in Texas has
Speaker 1: now shown up in New York to take you away
Speaker 1: like again, is so yeah.
Speaker 3: And the last time she got taken out she ended
Speaker 3: up in a cage. Yeah, yeah, it's so horrible. Rollins
Speaker 3: and Liver incredulous. They're like, is this true?
Speaker 1: And He's like, I was at the border when Maria
Speaker 1: was processed, and I escorted Gabriella and other miners to
Speaker 1: the foster agency here in New York City.
Speaker 2: That was the policy.
Speaker 1: And Live makes a huge move and tells Finn and
Speaker 1: Careesy to arrest Phelps and put him in a holding cell.
Speaker 3: I keep imagining Michael Phelps, it's really hard not to,
Speaker 3: or Fred Felps.
Speaker 2: I don't know who Fred Phelps is.
Speaker 1: They're the people that say God hates f words and
Speaker 1: like they're like the anti gay Fred Leftsboro Baptist Church exactly. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: Michael Phelps, Yeah, Phelps's Yeah, Michael Phelps has a he
Speaker 1: loves to swim, he loves to smoke weed, he loves therapy.
Speaker 1: He's a friend, he's a friend of the body. I
Speaker 1: just think he has a weird face anyway. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. I'm not trying to shame anyone's looks.
Speaker 1: There's just something about the proportions of his face.
Speaker 3: You know, his underjaw is bigger than his like he
Speaker 3: is a freak of nature. And his arm spans longer
Speaker 3: than his body. You know, he's like built weird to swim. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's built to sweatch.
Speaker 1: Doesn't he get to eat like six thousand calories a
Speaker 1: day or something?
Speaker 3: He's swimming at that level an him. Yeah, but those
Speaker 3: are my favorite stories. There's like a pitcher who like
Speaker 3: every day had three big macs. Like I just love
Speaker 3: the athletes that only eat candy and Coca cola.
Speaker 2: Living the dream.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you are those stories of people just being
Speaker 3: blackout drunk, pitching no hitters and being like, I don't
Speaker 3: even remember it.
Speaker 2: Sports used to be fun. Now they're all, you know,
Speaker 2: testing for dope.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's so boring.
Speaker 2: Now, all right, that is so funny, Okay, so so fuck.
Speaker 1: Olivia's arresting this guy from the refugee Resettlement center who's like, A,
Speaker 1: he's a federal agent, I guess, and putting him in
Speaker 1: a holding cell, and she says, you're being arrested for
Speaker 1: second degree kidnapping, for abducting a minor and transporting her
Speaker 1: to New York City against her will, which is a
Speaker 1: class B felony in this state. And then Olivia goes
Speaker 1: give them a phone call and a baloney sandwich.
Speaker 2: Baloney sandwiches get a bad rap. I like it.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they gave you a boloney sandwich and
Speaker 1: holding I've never seen them give a bloney sandwich to
Speaker 1: another person.
Speaker 3: That's a I had a sandwich in jail. I had
Speaker 3: a burger. I had some cookies. They let us microwave
Speaker 3: our cookies so they melted a little.
Speaker 2: WHOA, yeah, that's curious.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I had fun in jail.
Speaker 3: I mean, as a sociology major, I feel like I
Speaker 3: learned a lot. I made some friends and yeah, I
Speaker 3: read a book. I watched The Simpsons.
Speaker 1: I like I loved I can't they let you do
Speaker 1: all that can if you had access to a microwave
Speaker 1: and a television like what books and books? Yeah, the
Speaker 1: white girls played games upstairs and the black girls watched
Speaker 1: the Simpsons downstairs.
Speaker 2: So you were down there. Yes, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right. I had to play cards with a
Speaker 3: bunch of method take me to the familiar, let me
Speaker 3: have my cookie, and then everyone got mad at me
Speaker 3: because I did let the door slam hard once, and
Speaker 3: they're like this fuck, and I'm like, okay, I'm learning
Speaker 3: your roles and I'm gone tomorrow, so let's relax.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you never got on Orange as a
Speaker 1: new Black with all this experience.
Speaker 3: I actually did a full blown audition in Russian for Orange.
Speaker 3: I know, I really try. I've probably I tried to
Speaker 3: be what the Nazi I mean I did. I sent
Speaker 3: in a lot of auditions for Orange.
Speaker 1: I would have loved you to have been involved with
Speaker 1: Red somehow speaking Russian.
Speaker 3: I would have loved to be a part of that
Speaker 3: show in any capacity, of course.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a it's it's funny, it's like it
Speaker 2: and you know, I have.
Speaker 3: A messy what is it desktop, and it's all videos
Speaker 3: of my face in different outfits, trying to be different people.
Speaker 3: It's sick. It's a sick life. I sent one in
Speaker 3: for a brew master this week. It's like, what's brew master?
Speaker 3: Like a girl who makes like beers?
Speaker 1: Oh hip for that hip girl with her own brewery
Speaker 1: signed at the brewery.
Speaker 3: I could see it. I could absolutely see it. Whatever
Speaker 3: am I bragging about my auditions?
Speaker 2: I don't get but I would have loved to be
Speaker 2: an orang.
Speaker 1: Okay, So top of act for and Olivia has just
Speaker 1: I mean it was like she had this pre planned
Speaker 1: almost because she came up with it so quickly, this
Speaker 1: plan to arrest the guy.
Speaker 2: And now at the top of acpour, she.
Speaker 3: She's a survivor, she's passionate, and when she wants to
Speaker 3: do something, she's gonna do. Yeah, she knew what was
Speaker 3: she She knew arresting him was fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, completely, And then she's surrounded by a press conference.
Speaker 1: Like suddenly there's a press conference in the squadroom which
Speaker 1: I've never seen, and Benson calls they come. Yeah, She's
Speaker 1: probably called Jimmy Mack and was like, call all your
Speaker 1: old buddies and get him over here. And uh, she's
Speaker 1: making this is clearly a political move, and she's explaining
Speaker 1: that they've arrested the officer, she's got the press. Everyone's like,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's paying attention, and she also says she
Speaker 1: also says, Gabrielle is nine. Everyone's been saying ten the
Speaker 1: whole episode, but it's nine now, so okay, we've aged
Speaker 1: her down.
Speaker 2: She's nine years old. And she says.
Speaker 1: They're like, how do you think the federal government is
Speaker 1: going to react? And she's like, I don't really care.
Speaker 1: This is the crime in New York. And then one
Speaker 1: guy goes, do you really think this affects the life
Speaker 1: of the safety of everyday New Yorkers? And she's just like, well,
Speaker 1: I did find this nine year old girl in a
Speaker 1: sex trafficking ring, so I think I'm doing my job.
Speaker 1: And she is like fully traumatized, like a bunch of
Speaker 1: all the other children we found. And then she ends
Speaker 1: the conference and has to go talk to Stone in
Speaker 1: her office and it is like getting called into like
Speaker 1: you know, your dad, to get yelled at by your dad,
Speaker 1: And Stone's pissed and.
Speaker 2: He's like, what's the next move?
Speaker 1: Here live and she's like, dude, I was just doing
Speaker 1: this to make a point and the media is running
Speaker 1: with it. Everyone's paying attention now, and he says, well,
Speaker 1: I don't prosecute cases to make points, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: then I will find someone who will. I don't know
Speaker 1: you could just find another Ada, but I guess you can.
Speaker 1: And then Olivia goes, didn't you say that the only
Speaker 1: war's worth fighting for are the ones you can't win,
Speaker 1: And just then Stone is saved by the bitch when
Speaker 1: this mean looking lady comes walking in and she's like
Speaker 1: Kim Caldwell from the US Department of Justice with a
Speaker 1: rid of Haby Corpus, demanding the release of Phelps. And
Speaker 1: then she goes see you in court at four pm, Lieutenant,
Speaker 1: like she's very bitchy, and then liv asks to Stone,
Speaker 1: she goes, are you in and then she goes, let
Speaker 1: me show you what you're fighting for. So she brings
Speaker 1: Stone in to meet Gabriella. She's like, hi, mister Peter.
Speaker 1: It's like very cute, and she shows him a picture
Speaker 1: that she drew of her house in Guatemala and lives like,
Speaker 1: do you get it now, like to Stone, and then
Speaker 1: she says, there's three thousand more gabriellas if.
Speaker 2: You have to walk away from this.
Speaker 1: I get that, but I'm not going to I can
Speaker 1: so in court, Stone is arguing the definition of kidnapping. Okay,
Speaker 1: He's like, it's depriving someone of freedom by holding them
Speaker 1: against their will. And the lawyer argues that the government
Speaker 1: does this to millions of prisoners every day.
Speaker 2: It's like, sick brag, you evil bitch.
Speaker 1: Millions of prisoners every day have their freedom to brive.
Speaker 1: And then Stone argues that Gabriella was not a prisoner.
Speaker 1: She was a nine year old girl who did nothing wrong.
Speaker 1: And then the bitchy bitch argues that she did cross
Speaker 1: the border illegally and that they cannot be together, and
Speaker 1: Stone's like, no, we cannot incarcerate them together. They can
Speaker 1: be kept together. And it is against the law in
Speaker 1: New York to bring this girl here against her will,
Speaker 1: and she says The woman argues, but it was under
Speaker 1: the color of federal law, and Stone argues, it's not
Speaker 1: a law, it's a DOJ policy called zero tolerance. So
Speaker 1: Stone is correct here. Yeah, well, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear more about this. But and the judge says, yes,
Speaker 1: but it's clear that officer phelps your detect.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you call this guy. Refugee man Phelps.
Speaker 1: Was acting in good faith and he says, Stone goes yeah,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't relieve him of his criminal liability. And
Speaker 1: then the Fox News lawyer is like, remember that the
Speaker 1: federal law, Trump's state law. If you guys can all
Speaker 1: remember the Constitution, and then Olivia stands up, full out
Speaker 1: of order outbursts like I've never seen Olivia do this,
Speaker 1: and she's been in court during some wild proclamations and
Speaker 1: she just stands up and goes.
Speaker 2: What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: The government ripped this girl from her mother's arms, Like
Speaker 1: someone needs to stop this truly. The voice of the
Speaker 1: nation Olivia Benson and Stone is like, Olivia, chill out,
Speaker 1: and Cariese's trying to calm her down. And then we
Speaker 1: cut out of there to Rollins with Gabrielle at the
Speaker 1: precinct and she asks Rollins do you have a baby.
Speaker 2: And Rollins goes, yeah, she's three. Her name is Jesse.
Speaker 1: And then Gabriella, going full Gregory Yates goes, Noah, baby
Speaker 1: in there, and it's like, how do you even know
Speaker 1: she's three months pregnant?
Speaker 2: You really can't tell?
Speaker 1: She does immediately when she gets pregnant, Rollins like stop
Speaker 1: tucking her shirts in.
Speaker 2: Everything's just a blousy blouse. But I wonder maybe that's
Speaker 2: coincides with her real pregnancies.
Speaker 1: It does, Oh okay, yeah, but it just funny to
Speaker 1: me that the girl like noticed. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like Rosie didn't notice I was pregnant. I was like
Speaker 1: at nine months.
Speaker 2: I think Gabriella might have a little gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or she's a serial killer like Gregory Yates who
Speaker 1: can smell pregnancy. Anyway, Amanda admits yes, and she lets
Speaker 1: Gabriella put her hand on her belly, and she's like,
Speaker 1: do you want a boy or a girl? It's a
Speaker 1: sweet little car and she's like, when I see my mom,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell her I want a little brother. And
Speaker 1: it's like really, it's really like just heartbreaking that she
Speaker 1: can't talk to her mom. So back in federal court,
Speaker 1: the judge is like, listen, my job is to judge
Speaker 1: the arrest, not the US immigration policy. The separation of
Speaker 1: this woman, this child, and her mother is disturbing and
Speaker 1: ill advised, but immigration law overrides.
Speaker 2: The state law.
Speaker 1: So he is to be released, and Benson is pissed,
Speaker 1: and she says to Stone, while we lost the battle,
Speaker 1: but maybe we'll.
Speaker 2: Win the war. And then you know, now.
Speaker 1: Live in Stone and Phelps interrupt Gabriella and Rollins having
Speaker 1: a little pizza party and she starts crying and she's
Speaker 1: begging not to go with him again, and Olivia goes,
Speaker 1: you need to be strong, and she goes, please don't
Speaker 1: forget me.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's like so sad, and and they Olivia just keeps
Speaker 1: saying fuerte, fuerte, like be strong, and she takes and
Speaker 1: he takes her away, and everyone is like pretty gutted.
Speaker 1: It's like sad, but there's still six minutes left of
Speaker 1: the episode, so I'm kind of like, what else is
Speaker 1: going to happen? So now Stone is having a drink
Speaker 1: at one of those like wood and leather bars, you know,
Speaker 1: like old school fancy bars where people drink brown liquor
Speaker 1: out of like crystal, and they're in Chicago actually with
Speaker 1: State's Attorney Mark Jeffries, and he is this is played
Speaker 1: by Carlweathers. Mark Jeffries is played by Carlweathers, and he's
Speaker 1: also from Chicago.
Speaker 2: Justice don't know if that exists anymore. Or what. But
Speaker 2: he was also Apollo Creed in the Rocky Movies.
Speaker 1: I knew I recognized Carl Weather from something, but he's
Speaker 1: Apollo Creed from the Rocky Movies. And he's like, so,
Speaker 1: how's SVU, how's the Big City? And then he's like,
Speaker 1: what the hell do you want? You didn't just come
Speaker 1: here to have a drink with me? And he wants
Speaker 1: to this guy's help in reuniting Gabriella with her mom.
Speaker 1: And he's not trying to make a policy. He just
Speaker 1: wants to help this one kid. And the guy goes,
Speaker 1: is it going to make a difference? And then Stone
Speaker 1: tells literally that starfish story. Have you ever heard that
Speaker 1: starfish story? That's like it's like a parable or like
Speaker 1: a little the kind of thing that's on like.
Speaker 3: A magazone is a human version of an Instagram quote.
Speaker 3: He's just always has some sort of story that no
Speaker 3: one cares about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this this starfish, but I do love little turtles.
Speaker 1: But it's the same story with the starfish. He just
Speaker 1: changes it to turtles and acts like it happened to
Speaker 1: his family home in Rhode Island, and it's like that's
Speaker 1: a famous Like that's like a like a famous parable
Speaker 1: or like what do you call My friend.
Speaker 3: Was lucky enough to be on mushrooms as he noticed
Speaker 3: little turtles going towards the ocean and he got to
Speaker 3: help them.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, if he wasn't on mushrooms, you
Speaker 2: would have just kept walking. No, but it probably felt
Speaker 2: more special. His heart was more open, magical. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's cool.
Speaker 1: So that's what he says, basically, like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: made a difference to that one. You know, when you
Speaker 1: throw the turtle or you throw the fish. The starfish
Speaker 1: back in, so he says, the guy says, he'll.
Speaker 2: See what he can do.
Speaker 3: So now, also, Carl weathers, so you have like sympathy
Speaker 3: for the starfish, but not this kid, Like, I don't
Speaker 3: know why you need an additional story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like could be like can we just reunite this kid?
Speaker 2: You fucking say.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So at the precinct, Carsey wants a beer, but
Speaker 1: Finn has to babysit his grandson, and she's like, what
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 2: Roland's non alcoholic, and she's like, what's the point.
Speaker 1: She's like, what's the point having a drink if I
Speaker 1: can't get hammered? And she's like, I need something stronger
Speaker 1: after all the bullshit I've been through like today, and
Speaker 1: Cariese says, everyone wants who wants to come to this
Speaker 1: country to live the American dream should be allowed to
Speaker 1: do that, and then Finn plays real right wing. Finn's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know her neighbor getting shot, it's not really enough.
Speaker 1: And then Rollins is like, dude, if she took out
Speaker 1: a coyote take her through Guatemala to the Mexican border,
Speaker 1: she must have been really scared for her life and
Speaker 1: her daughter's life, And Finn's like, yeah, well, who takes
Speaker 1: care of them once they get here. He's like I
Speaker 1: don't like child separation either, but immigration is a problem,
Speaker 1: and Carsee's like, I think immigrants can take care of themselves.
Speaker 1: My great grandfather came here from Tarino at the age
Speaker 1: of twelve, and my family is from Tarno. Do you
Speaker 1: think me and carisia related? Yeah, sure, it's possibility. That's
Speaker 1: why I don't want to have sex with him, because
Speaker 1: I can tell we're related. Finn is, yeah, being super Republican,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I bet your granddad didn't have food
Speaker 1: stamps and public housing and medicaid and it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: read an article, this is like not true. And then
Speaker 1: Rollin says, well, Rollins does use the phrase these people,
Speaker 1: and I don't like it, but she says, quote, these
Speaker 1: people get jobs, and there are jobs Americans don't want,
Speaker 1: so she this sentiment is like, you know that, I
Speaker 1: think Finn is misguided, that they're sort of taking over
Speaker 1: are like the a population of US citizens or something
Speaker 1: in terms of find like financial you know, or unemployment,
Speaker 1: and Carreese goes, give me, you're tired, you're poor, your
Speaker 1: huddled masses yearning to breathe free. Remember that, and then
Speaker 1: Finn goes, my people came to this country and changed
Speaker 1: three hundred years ago, and I still can't breathe free,
Speaker 1: And Rollins and Creesy are both kind of like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: we can't really response that. I don't really know what
Speaker 1: the correlation is.
Speaker 3: Why are we helping these immigrants if we're not even
Speaker 3: helping me and my people and we're here getting discriminated
Speaker 3: against and fucked over and stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh so is that do you think that's behind a
Speaker 2: lot of it? Wow? Interesting?
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like black people get treated like shit here
Speaker 3: all the time, and yet you care about all these
Speaker 3: like people trying to come here, but we have our
Speaker 3: own problems.
Speaker 2: But he should more have the point of view of
Speaker 2: all vulnerable people need to be taking care. Who's making
Speaker 2: it horrible? Like, you know, it's it's the class.
Speaker 3: It's like, right now, they're you know, they're going hard
Speaker 3: for trans people, but it's just to test the waters
Speaker 3: and then guess what it's going to be you yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's it is crazy that we don't
Speaker 3: want Like there's a quote where it's like you're only
Speaker 3: as strong as your weakest teammate, and you've got to
Speaker 3: help the most vulnerable and bring everyone up so we're
Speaker 3: all together.
Speaker 2: You're not like, fuck those people. I care about my people.
Speaker 2: It's like, right, all the people lifts all ships.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, and then if we all got together,
Speaker 3: we can you know, like Sri Lanka run into the
Speaker 3: President's pool.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was a good January sixth right, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're almost to the end here. So now we're
Speaker 1: at the doctor's office, and you think Amanda might be
Speaker 1: like at the obgy n or something, but then Al
Speaker 1: walks out her boyfriend and we realize we're at his office.
Speaker 1: And she tells him listen, I'm having this baby. I
Speaker 1: don't need anything from you. And then she walks out
Speaker 1: and he does not even not even a tiny movement
Speaker 1: to go after her at all.
Speaker 2: So this is like, you think it's the end of
Speaker 2: their relationship.
Speaker 1: He's back a little bit later, but you know, he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess she wants that baby. And then at Fort
Speaker 1: Sterling in Brooklyn. I didn't realize Fort Sterling would be
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. I thought for sure he was taking her
Speaker 1: to another state or something. But they're in Fort Sterling
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Live rolls up in an suv and asks
Speaker 1: to see Gabriella Sosa and the army guy at the
Speaker 1: door is like, yeah, those visits aren't authorized. Carl Weathers
Speaker 1: is in the car with her, gets out of the car,
Speaker 1: starts crossing over to this military guy, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I feel like, without identifying yourself, that guy would have
Speaker 1: just like shot him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: He just gets out of the car and starts.
Speaker 1: Walking to him, yelling and being like, get your CEO
Speaker 1: down here right now. I didn't hunt through the mountains
Speaker 1: of quand Tree for I couldn't. IM Sorry, I couldn't
Speaker 1: really hear what he was saying for three years to
Speaker 1: have some babyface, MP, tell me what's authorized, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's that old Rocky Rocky monologue and he starts babbling
Speaker 1: and the literally the soldiers like and then he's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: just let him in. And then he gets back in
Speaker 1: the car. I guess that he goes, that was fun,
Speaker 1: and Livy looks impressed. And then right as the car
Speaker 1: pulls away, we see that Maria, the mom of Gabriella,
Speaker 1: is in the back of the suv and she looks
Speaker 1: a little bit like nervous. Inside of Fort Sterling, it's
Speaker 1: just like a huge gym with kids like sitting around
Speaker 1: on mattresses, wearing like those crinkly blankets you get when
Speaker 1: you run a marathon, and Live goes, I can't believe
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing, and it's like it really just it's
Speaker 1: like what are they doing. They're just sitting there like
Speaker 1: wasting away. They're just sitting on mattresses, staring into space.
Speaker 1: Gabriella and sees her mom and goes to reunite her,
Speaker 1: goes to reunite with her, and I'm really glad they
Speaker 1: did it, but I wish they could have just brought
Speaker 1: her into another room and not do it in front
Speaker 1: of all these other kids that don't get to see
Speaker 1: their parents.
Speaker 2: It's like too sad. And we find out that whatever.
Speaker 1: We find out that Carl Weather's pulled some strings because
Speaker 1: he works out at the same gym with a judge
Speaker 1: who made it happen. And anyway, this kind of fairy
Speaker 1: tale ending does not happen all the time. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's like when you this is a horrible comparison, But
Speaker 1: whenever I hear somebody getting their Instagram hacked, the only
Speaker 1: people I ever hear getting it back are people who.
Speaker 2: Have an inn at Facebook or Instagram.
Speaker 1: Like there's no way to get anything done if you
Speaker 1: don't know someone who works at these corporate Placett's also
Speaker 1: not even just it's like truly life. Yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to know people, like it's connections is everything.
Speaker 1: But of course social media. Instagram is my perfect example.
Speaker 3: Because it's a name we're thinking about getting hacked is
Speaker 3: not good. Yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to happen to two factor authentication anyway.
Speaker 1: Maria says, thank you so much, and Olivia says welcome
Speaker 1: to America as they walk away from dozens and dozens
Speaker 1: of girls in cages with like their faces pressed up,
Speaker 1: like where's my mom, where's my dad? It's fucking terrifying
Speaker 1: and horrible. And that is dick Wolf Baby.
Speaker 2: That was great, Kara.
Speaker 3: Listen to our commercials, bitches, be right back, see you soon.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So, you know, it's hard to do current event type
Speaker 3: things because the news is ongoing. I'm folding, and a
Speaker 3: lot of the articles are like concerns, like their political spin,
Speaker 3: you know, they're trying to like prove something.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of an adventure.
Speaker 3: But we're going to go through the Trump family separation policy,
Speaker 3: the zero tolerance, and then.
Speaker 1: When you read that, it's like, oh, the Trump family separation,
Speaker 1: like separating all the Trump family from each other.
Speaker 2: That would be great. Let's do that them all away
Speaker 2: from each other.
Speaker 3: And I'm going to talk specifically about Southwest Key facilities
Speaker 3: abuse and that's what we felt was like the closest
Speaker 3: to what was happening. But I feel like there was
Speaker 3: abuse in trafficking so much everywhere constantly.
Speaker 2: It was like I so much.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the Trump family separation policy, not the one
Speaker 3: we want simply put, it's a policy calling for criminal
Speaker 3: prosecution of everyone who enters the country illegally. So, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember Jeff's sessions, he's like a
Speaker 3: little gremlin, a little jockey gremlin. He and quote said,
Speaker 3: if you cross the Southwest border unlawfully, then we will
Speaker 3: prosecute you.
Speaker 2: It's that simple.
Speaker 3: If you're smuggling a child, then we're going to prosecute you,
Speaker 3: and that child will be separated from you. If you
Speaker 3: don't want your child separated, they don't bring them across
Speaker 3: the border illegally. And that's just a quote that he
Speaker 3: did at a press conference, like these people are truly deranged, evil,
Speaker 3: fucking assholes.
Speaker 2: That was in the New York Times.
Speaker 3: And then this policy is different than the former Bush
Speaker 3: and Obama administrations, where separating kids from parents during those
Speaker 3: times was an exception, not the rule, and Trump made
Speaker 3: it the rule. Yeah, And this obsession with the Southwest
Speaker 3: border and these like specific rules started with Bush though
Speaker 3: he launched operations Streamline along the Texas border, and it
Speaker 3: called to criminally prosecute all migrants to get control of
Speaker 3: the border and be safer to citizens. And Trump used
Speaker 3: this model for his policy and yeah, fuck Bush. And
Speaker 3: this whole thing of people liking him because he paints
Speaker 3: is so frustrating to me.
Speaker 2: He's a fucking war criminal. He's a piece of shit.
Speaker 3: And I heard this recently, like we don't blame him
Speaker 3: enough for this like explosion of christian like in the government,
Speaker 3: Like he was just praying all the time and a
Speaker 3: true fucking fool.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we talk enough shit about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah we're like, wow, we painted a dog and loves
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama and that was that, Like this piece of
Speaker 3: shit he made ice, Like what are we talking? Yeah,
Speaker 3: fucking hate him and he shouldn't have won. I just
Speaker 3: feel if al Gore one our polar bears would have
Speaker 3: some ice, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'd have the right kind of ice. We're good, Okay.
Speaker 3: So basically people that crossed the border were put straight
Speaker 3: through the criminal system, not through civil immigration courts, and
Speaker 3: so that's what was the change. Instead of just like
Speaker 3: we're going to civil court, it was full criminal and
Speaker 3: then hello, private prison contracts. That's one of the things
Speaker 3: that's I think is most twisted about America. There's so
Speaker 3: many but like the business is the most deranged sick thing,
Speaker 3: and I think Orange is the New Black.
Speaker 2: Really covers as well.
Speaker 3: Whatever it did, however at that time make exceptions for
Speaker 3: adults traveling with children, but their goal was to prosecute
Speaker 3: fast and then deport people back as fast as possible.
Speaker 3: But until they're hearing, they're held in these private detention centers,
Speaker 3: and that's like money making. And then in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: Obama declared a humanitarian crisis and all these issues at
Speaker 3: the border with unaccompanied children, mostly from Central America, coming
Speaker 3: to town, and his administration also focused on deporting people fast,
Speaker 3: and some were put through criminal proceedings, but it did
Speaker 3: choose to hold families together in not criminal holdings, but
Speaker 3: an administrative detention, and they would set up these makeshift
Speaker 3: overflow facilities. And that's something too, because I think we
Speaker 3: all love Obama, but it's like a lot of this.
Speaker 2: Was during his time, and so that's that's just a fact.
Speaker 3: And then Trump claims that he's just following policy and
Speaker 3: he's just doing what's written and he's not doing anything new,
Speaker 3: which is not fully true. Historically, the US treated immigration violations,
Speaker 3: like I said, as civil rather than criminal, and parents
Speaker 3: have not typically been separated from their children when they
Speaker 3: entered the legal system. So that is some that's a twist, heed,
Speaker 3: it a twist on an old classic, Okay, But the
Speaker 3: administration said their hands were tied by a nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: seven court settlement and later court rulings in which detained
Speaker 3: children can be held. But it's like one of several options,
Speaker 3: not a command, and experts say there are no such laws,
Speaker 3: but the White House was saying that the law required it,
Speaker 3: so they were lying no, because.
Speaker 1: They're doing it as a deterrent. They are trying to
Speaker 1: deter people from coming across the border. So they're not
Speaker 1: like we just got to follow the law, Like no,
Speaker 1: there's other options.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like are they actually trying to deter
Speaker 3: people or they're trying to make money off of these centers?
Speaker 2: Like that's what's like sick about it all too?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't I think they know that it's
Speaker 3: not a deterrent. It's like how the death penalty isn't
Speaker 3: a deterrent, you know, like we know day things don't help,
Speaker 3: right if people are desperate, they're desperate. And then throughout
Speaker 3: all this though, there was an understanding that if you
Speaker 3: came in quote unquote legally at proper areas and went
Speaker 3: through the asylum process, you'd be chill since it's not illegal.
Speaker 2: But that's not what was happening.
Speaker 3: And while cases are being processed, which could take months,
Speaker 3: the families are separated in the same way as those
Speaker 3: who enter illegally. So the people when people are like, well,
Speaker 3: why didn't you do it the right way, people who
Speaker 3: were quote unquote doing it the right way and coming
Speaker 3: to get asylum were also separated. Really wow, yeah, because
Speaker 3: they had to wait for their hearings, and so they
Speaker 3: would fucking separate people because they're evil pieces of shit.
Speaker 3: And the kids are either given to a legal guardian,
Speaker 3: like a relative, but typically these children are taken to
Speaker 3: federally licensed facilities operated by the Health and Human Services Department,
Speaker 3: or they're placed with temporary foster families. Immigration lawyers say
Speaker 3: typically these kids last four months or longer waiting to
Speaker 3: be reunited, but sometimes their parents are deported.
Speaker 2: Without their children. Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: And of course, you know, separation from family leaves children
Speaker 3: more vulnerable to exploitation and abuse, no matter what the
Speaker 3: care setting. And that's according to an affidavit attached to
Speaker 3: the ACLU lawsuit that was happening about all this, and
Speaker 3: it creates toxic stress levels and children that can profoundly
Speaker 3: impact their development. I don't think that's anything new. I
Speaker 3: think we know that these things really affect children. These
Speaker 3: children aren't much greater risk of depression, post traumatic stress,
Speaker 3: and other mental health problems. And being separated from caretakers
Speaker 3: fox kids up. And these institutions, even those trying to
Speaker 3: be the most humane by their nature, warp attachments that
Speaker 3: children long for, and so the visceral and concentrated exchange
Speaker 3: of love that comforts and supports and shapes of child's
Speaker 3: heart and mind are no longer there. People who work
Speaker 3: at these places the turnover rates are super high, so
Speaker 3: it causes even more issues. It's like impersonal, unstable and
Speaker 3: fragmented care and that impacts their attachment, stress regulation, but
Speaker 3: also like their physical growth parameters and brain development. This
Speaker 3: really affects children forever. Trauma is real. Have we not
Speaker 3: watched Yellow jackets?
Speaker 2: Trauma? Trauma? Trauma?
Speaker 3: And to add two more fucked up things that happen
Speaker 3: to these children. Some are fraudulently plucked from shelters by
Speaker 3: men who pose as friends and family and then take
Speaker 3: the kids and make them work long hours. And there
Speaker 3: was a big case in Ohio where all these kids
Speaker 3: were found working on egg farms. Six people were sentenced
Speaker 3: to federal prison for their participation in the scheme. But
Speaker 3: like we were saying, like, how oh, they're doing background
Speaker 3: or they're figuring out where these kids should go. No,
Speaker 3: like men were straight up coming and like the government
Speaker 3: handed over children to traffickers, to egg farmers, to egg
Speaker 3: farmer traffickers, like full, I mean, it's yeah, outside the
Speaker 3: egg forms and detrimental damage to the children. They're also
Speaker 3: being placed in homes where they are sexually assaulted, starved,
Speaker 3: forced to work for little or no pay. And that
Speaker 3: is what an Associated Press investigation found. And all this
Speaker 3: has made so much easier because of the weakened child
Speaker 3: protection policies and the overcrowding. So kids are being sent
Speaker 3: to homes like I said, without proper fingerprinting, no birth
Speaker 3: certificate proof and not getting all the info and it
Speaker 3: eliminated FBI criminal history checks for many sponsors, and US
Speaker 3: government agencies were responsible for delivering the victims into the
Speaker 3: hands of these abusers.
Speaker 2: The government did this.
Speaker 3: Human Rights Watch in October twenty twenty one obtained the
Speaker 3: United States government documents that detailed over one hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty internal reports of misconduct and abuse of asylum seekers
Speaker 3: at the hands of US officials, which included custom and
Speaker 3: Border Patrol officers, border patrol agents, and immigration and Customs
Speaker 3: enforcement officials. And this has been between twenty sixteen and
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. The twenty six page report was called
Speaker 3: they Treat You Like You Are Worthless Internal DHS reports
Speaker 3: of abuses by US border officials. They got these papers
Speaker 3: after the Human Rights Watch went to litigation under the
Speaker 3: Freedom of Information Act, and all of this included allegations
Speaker 3: of physical, sexual and verbal abuse, do process violations, harsh
Speaker 3: detention conditions, denial of medical care, and discriminatory treatment at
Speaker 3: or near the border. I mean, obviously they're just crematory.
Speaker 3: And then there's tons of redactions in this report with
Speaker 3: all the horrific abuse directed at children. But there is
Speaker 3: a lot of info, but none of the info. There's
Speaker 3: no records of how these agencies responded to the allegations.
Speaker 3: So there's all these documents saying like, all this fucked
Speaker 3: up shit happened, and then no, there's no evidence that
Speaker 3: anyone got punished or anything or did anything, did anything? Yeah,
Speaker 3: not even a class right, not even a sexual harassment
Speaker 3: class seminar.
Speaker 2: Seminar.
Speaker 1: I had to go to a sexual harassment seminar at
Speaker 1: seven am when I worked on a show once because
Speaker 1: some fucking guys said some weird shit about someone who
Speaker 1: was underage.
Speaker 2: Wasn't even me. We all had to go. It was
Speaker 2: really early for me, was felling asleep.
Speaker 3: Seven is early, seven is early to be Remember, I
Speaker 3: told you I was going to go to the beach
Speaker 3: at eight am, and it sounded psycho. I went before ten.
Speaker 3: The person my friend was like, we just do that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like can. I would have been late to.
Speaker 2: Pick you up. Anyways.
Speaker 3: They also uncovered twenty seven possible due process violations with
Speaker 3: all the border workers. So some of these due process
Speaker 3: violations are like would be applicants being prevented from lodging
Speaker 3: asylum claims or compelling them to sign papers they did
Speaker 3: not understand, so they kept off documents like super crucial
Speaker 3: information like dates, locations, and nationality of the person who
Speaker 3: suffered abuse, and like they did not provide appended docum
Speaker 3: humans and so. Clara Long, the Associate US director at
Speaker 3: Human Rights Watch, said that the Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 3: appears to have normalized shocking abuses by its border agencies
Speaker 3: and believes urgent steps need to be taken to ensure
Speaker 3: people are not victimized by the US border and immigration agents.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, the.
Speaker 3: Due process stuff is like they're making people signed papers
Speaker 3: or not giving them the proper paperwork to get the
Speaker 3: asylum that they need.
Speaker 2: So they're like, fuck.
Speaker 3: So even when people are trying to do it right,
Speaker 3: you have these fucking neanderthal pieces of shit that decided
Speaker 3: to work at border patrol that are obviously raised, Like,
Speaker 3: of course they're discriminatory. I don't think you can like
Speaker 3: cage up a bunch of children and see them as
Speaker 3: actual humans like these people. Of course they're they don't.
Speaker 3: So it's like the people that are supposed to help
Speaker 3: them don't even recognize their humanity. So we're like trusting
Speaker 3: the people that are imprisoning them to help them do
Speaker 3: paperwork to help them stay in a country.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's very, very twisted. And so this moves
Speaker 2: me into.
Speaker 3: The South Southwest Key facilities. And so the owner of
Speaker 3: the Southwest Keys, which we'll learn about in the New
Speaker 3: York Times, this guy was saying that the images of
Speaker 3: children and chain link cages are not what they are,
Speaker 3: that those are facilities run by Border Patrol, which is
Speaker 3: a division of Homeland Security, and that that's not how
Speaker 3: this place works. This place is like a social service
Speaker 3: side of the federal government. He's like, we are not
Speaker 3: law enforcement. So that's this guy's claim. So there is
Speaker 3: two things. There's like the the border like law enforcement vibes,
Speaker 3: and then there's this human health and services okay, like
Speaker 3: government organization, like an FDA vibe, you know, like making
Speaker 3: sure everything's okay. And that's the people that help run
Speaker 3: these private shelter type places that are like, we're like
Speaker 3: summer camp. I think this is all bullshit. I think
Speaker 3: it's all kind of one and the same. But the
Speaker 3: owner of this facility was like, we're not the cages
Speaker 3: that you see.
Speaker 2: We're like fun. But I think you'll learn that he's why.
Speaker 3: So the Southwest Key Shelter is in Youngtown, Arizona. It's
Speaker 3: been shut down, okay, and was a shelter for unaccompanied
Speaker 3: migrant children. The children were there because of the zero
Speaker 3: tolerance border policy where the children were taken away from
Speaker 3: their parents at the border, and this policy caused a
Speaker 3: super influx and so there was just like tons and
Speaker 3: tons and tons of children arriving. So yeah, there was
Speaker 3: just like an influx of children and a lot of issues,
Speaker 3: and like I said, this place was closed down eventually.
Speaker 3: In September eighteenth, twenty eighteen, a federal contractor fired a
Speaker 3: bunch of staffers after an incident, according to a statement
Speaker 3: from the US Department of Health and Human Services.
Speaker 2: But do not worry.
Speaker 3: They just sent the kids to a different shelter and
Speaker 3: it's all owned by the same company.
Speaker 2: Attend these like all these kids were in a different place.
Speaker 3: So this actually was mentioned in the episode, this Office
Speaker 3: of Refugee Resettlement, So that's THERR. In twenty eighteen, THERR
Speaker 3: was overseeing an estimated one hundre dred shelters in seventeen states,
Speaker 3: serving eleven thousand youths.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like she says three thousand in the episode.
Speaker 1: She goes, there's three thousand, gabrielisosos And I was like,
Speaker 1: that seems like you're low balling it.
Speaker 2: But that's maybe young girls only. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: who knows what she was like, but eleven thousand, it seems.
Speaker 3: Like it's a lot, and so it's like, how are
Speaker 3: you keeping track of all these people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it brings.
Speaker 3: Up a lot of issues with federal oversight and management
Speaker 3: and the invisibility under which many of these places operate.
Speaker 3: And this is more of a pr statement. The OARR
Speaker 3: claims to have zero tolerance policy for all forms of
Speaker 3: abuse or inappropriate behavior and acts quickly to address it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They refuse to comment though, on how many staffers were
Speaker 3: involved or details.
Speaker 2: About any incidents.
Speaker 3: We have all these shelters, there's not really oversight. Lots
Speaker 3: of things are happening. And not only that the government
Speaker 3: is paying these people. So the Texas based Southwest Key
Speaker 3: Programs were paid half a billion dollars in the fiscal
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen under a federal contract to house the migrant
Speaker 3: children in several states. So, you know, I always say this,
Speaker 3: like when Trump got elected, stocks of private prisons skyrocketed.
Speaker 3: That's what everyone was purchasing because everyone knew this was
Speaker 3: going to happen, and so the government gave them half.
Speaker 2: A billion to run this thing.
Speaker 3: They have thirteen facilities, and the month before the you know,
Speaker 3: one of them was shut down. The Department of Health
Speaker 3: Services moved to revoke the company's licenses after it failed
Speaker 3: to comply with employee background check requirements. So the state
Speaker 3: then launched a review after repeated reports of abuse of
Speaker 3: migrant children by the employees. After the state inspections found
Speaker 3: repeated instances in which the company had not obtained the
Speaker 3: or acquired background checks from employees.
Speaker 2: So them claiming how.
Speaker 3: Seriously they take everything in like zero tolerance is fully
Speaker 3: pr when you're not even doing proper background checks of
Speaker 3: people that are going to be working with detained children.
Speaker 3: The owner of these you know, for profit child camps
Speaker 3: said the missing deadline of background checks was, in quotes,
Speaker 3: a very small, minor thing to the New York Times.
Speaker 3: So this guy who thinks he's doing good, we're gonna
Speaker 3: learn about him. He thinks he's like truly a saint
Speaker 3: and an angel to children. Legit was like whatever, just
Speaker 3: a paper issue. This isn't even a big deal. And
Speaker 3: it's like, you do think it's a big deal to
Speaker 3: not do background checks. Some people are gonna work with children.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 3: The Republic obtained a report from the Maricopa County Sheriff's
Speaker 3: Office detailing numerous instances in which deputies were dispatched to
Speaker 3: the Youngstown location to investigate physical and sexual abuse cases.
Speaker 3: Before the September abuse incident was disclosed, the Youngstown shelter
Speaker 3: had two cases where staff members were alleged to have
Speaker 3: acted inappropriately, but neither was substantiated. Then, at least three
Speaker 3: employees have been arrested and accused of sexually abusing the children.
Speaker 3: From twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen, there was a man
Speaker 3: Fernando and the gray tea I don't know who cares,
Speaker 3: and he was arrested on suspicion of molesting a fourteen
Speaker 3: year old girl and her roommate and they reported it
Speaker 3: and the roommate reported it to the police. At the
Speaker 3: Mesa shelter, a worker, Levian Pacheco is alleged to have
Speaker 3: performed oral sex on two teen boys and tried to
Speaker 3: rape them penetratively.
Speaker 2: He was HIV positive.
Speaker 3: And then six other teens accused him of sexually touching
Speaker 3: them Jesus and these allegations spanned eleven months starting August
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, and he was convicted of seven counts of
Speaker 3: abuse uh sexual contact and three counts of sexual abuse
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, and he was sentenced to nineteen years
Speaker 3: in prison and then following a lifetime of supervised release.
Speaker 3: So I guess one pedophile has been taken. But now,
Speaker 3: when Pachecko was hired, he did not submit his fingerprints
Speaker 3: for a background check. So how are you saying you're
Speaker 3: committed to child safety. Yeah, their big punishment for failing
Speaker 3: to do this was one thousand dollars for this billion
Speaker 3: our business business. Now in July twenty eighteen, a worker
Speaker 3: at the Phoenix Shelter And this is all under the
Speaker 3: Southwest area, like they own all of these places. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they also have a policy at these places where the
Speaker 3: kids are being checked on every fifteen minutes in their rooms,
Speaker 3: which gives like a lot of opportunity for molesting. But
Speaker 3: back to what is Southwest Key and the founder and
Speaker 3: like these people that are getting rich off of human suffering,
Speaker 3: he thinks he's a social justice warrior and he calls
Speaker 3: himself El Presidente. Oh my god, his name is Juan Sanchez,
Speaker 3: and he's built an empire off of detained migrant children.
Speaker 3: He has made millions from an empire on the back
Speaker 3: of a crisis. And that's like the New York Times writing,
Speaker 3: that's very dramatic and The article came out on Britney
Speaker 3: Spears's birthday twenty eighteen December.
Speaker 2: Second, you know the important day about this guy.
Speaker 3: Well it's also like Aid's Day, I think, but it's
Speaker 3: BRIT's birthday.
Speaker 2: So on. So this guy won.
Speaker 3: He grew up along the Mexican border, like really really crowded,
Speaker 3: like all the kids slept on the floor, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: he was not very rich. And then he ended up
Speaker 3: earning three degrees, including a doctorate in education from Harvard,
Speaker 3: before he came back to Texas to start what he
Speaker 3: calls is a nonprofit. So Southwest Hey Now has collected
Speaker 3: one point seven billion dollars in federal grants in the
Speaker 3: past decade, and in twenty eighteen they made to six
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty six million alone. The company stockpile tens
Speaker 3: of millions of taxpayer dollars with little government oversight and
Speaker 3: possibly also engaging in self dealing.
Speaker 2: With top executives in other industries.
Speaker 3: So at one point they were able to house like
Speaker 3: five thousand children in twenty four shelters, and one of
Speaker 3: the shelters is a converted Walmart to just like wear warehouse.
Speaker 3: The Walmart shelter houses fifteen hundred migrant boys.
Speaker 2: So dystopian.
Speaker 3: It's a two hundred and fifty thouds in square foot facility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yikes.
Speaker 3: And this Walmart place has had at least thirteen deficiency citations.
Speaker 3: And inside this place, maybe things have changed. There was
Speaker 3: a giant mural of Trump an American flag painted on
Speaker 3: it in a white House picture and the quote from
Speaker 3: Trump that was painted says, sometimes by losing a battle,
Speaker 3: you find a new way to win the war.
Speaker 2: Like what does that even mean to children?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also a JFK quote about like what you
Speaker 3: can do for these your country. It's like, leave these
Speaker 3: kids alone. And there are doctors there in activities in
Speaker 3: a school. They can watch mowana and go outside for
Speaker 3: two hours, but they should do whatever the fuck they want.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They did le let some people in for a tour,
Speaker 3: but it was just like a very protective place. There's
Speaker 3: no windows. Everything has like black mesh over the windows,
Speaker 3: like you don't know what they spruced.
Speaker 2: Up for the the tour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they worked closely with the Obama administration has
Speaker 3: set all this shut up. This is this is you know,
Speaker 3: earlier than twenty sixteen. So in twenty thirteen and twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: they opened eight new shelters and they were no longer
Speaker 3: a small group of homes, but like giant institutions.
Speaker 2: And it kept.
Speaker 3: Growing, and then there was a breaking point where fourteen
Speaker 3: thousand miners at about one hundred sites. So on paper,
Speaker 3: this is a charity, but Sanchez was making more than
Speaker 3: double what like chief executive counterparts do at other like
Speaker 3: at the American Red Cross, which is a far larger organization.
Speaker 3: So he was just making tons of money. They also
Speaker 3: created a web of profit companies, so they had they
Speaker 3: were like in cahoots with construction companies and maintenance and
Speaker 3: food service, and it said even a florist and I'm like,
Speaker 3: what is was florest? Like what is happening? And so
Speaker 3: these companies helped to funnel money back to the charity
Speaker 3: through high management fees, and it helped circumvent government limits
Speaker 3: on executive pay. So at one point they were sitting
Speaker 3: on sixty one million dollars in cash, and they started
Speaker 3: acting like a bank and lending money to real estate developers. Yes,
Speaker 3: and so they rent out the shelters, they do not
Speaker 3: own them, which is a very unusual practice, but it
Speaker 3: is more lucrative. Marcus Owens, was the former head of
Speaker 3: tax exempt organizations for the IRS, said that the only
Speaker 3: word to describe their enterprise is, in quotes, profiteering. In
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen Southwest he paid eight people more than the
Speaker 3: federal salary cap of one hundred and eighty seven thousand,
Speaker 3: so his wife, who was the vice president, earned half.
Speaker 2: A million dollar salary. Geez.
Speaker 3: And it's like very twisted because the Mexican government gave
Speaker 3: him the highest humanitarian award that is possible, and he's
Speaker 3: on the board of the nation's largest Hispanic advocacy group,
Speaker 3: known as unidos Us, So it's like weird. Of course,
Speaker 3: he doesn't think he's evil. He's going all these humanitarian awards.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know, but maybe he did start
Speaker 3: wanting to be good. I'm not really sure. And even
Speaker 3: if they did start out as like being the good
Speaker 3: guys and wanting to like shelter and like be a
Speaker 3: place for children that needed homes, the policy of forcibly
Speaker 3: removing them from parents has eroded any public that they
Speaker 3: could have had. You know, like anything you think you're doing,
Speaker 3: it's it's tainted by this fucked up shit. And also
Speaker 3: when you rush to expand like that, it's difficult to
Speaker 3: properly manage the housing and care of these.
Speaker 1: Child And you know that also with this sixty one
Speaker 1: million dollars of cash, they're definitely supporting like Republican candidates
Speaker 1: because they don't want this to stop.
Speaker 3: But they're like fucking cheap, Like their biggest donations were
Speaker 3: like five thousand dollars. Really, yeah, I was looking at
Speaker 3: their donations. They used to donate to Democrats because Obama
Speaker 3: was working with them. I think this is a I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a reason that Democrats are inactive of any social
Speaker 3: change because they're also in the pockets of these businesses.
Speaker 3: So this idea of like one side or the other
Speaker 3: is all bullshit. They're all just trying to make.
Speaker 1: Nice, he says, left wing, right wing. They're all part
Speaker 1: of the same bird. They are, and it's bullshit. And
Speaker 1: it's like the Democrat like, can you just do something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally just fucking do something. But yeah, like
Speaker 3: their donations were so bad. Alexia Rodriguez, as Southwest Key's
Speaker 3: vice president of Immigrant Children's Services, said our growth is
Speaker 3: in direct response to kids coming to the border. But
Speaker 3: to me, it's like a chicken in the egg shit, Like,
Speaker 3: are you growing because of the policy or was the
Speaker 3: policy made for you guys to make money with all
Speaker 3: these defense contracts and assholes who are profiting.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't really know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Dick Cheney and Blackwater and all that shit.
Speaker 2: Right, that's another person.
Speaker 3: One of our friend's friends married someone who worked at Halliburton.
Speaker 3: Then it was like, yeah, actually someone here. Their dad
Speaker 3: died and they didn't like their dad. He was high
Speaker 3: up at Halliburton, and now she gets to live in
Speaker 3: a giant house and has all this money from him,
Speaker 3: but like hated it, never talk to him or anything
Speaker 3: because he was a Halliburton guy. It's not even it's
Speaker 3: like a friend of a friend. So the Celexia woman
Speaker 3: truly says that they are not a political organization and
Speaker 3: they just take great care of kids. And it's like,
Speaker 3: then put more windows on the buildings, bitch. Why aren't
Speaker 3: their little paintings of tulips and bunnies if it's like
Speaker 3: a great place. Did I tell you in Skokie there
Speaker 3: is a daycare called Little Muslims.
Speaker 2: No, I would have remembered that. So funny.
Speaker 3: So you know, they have all these places, they're getting
Speaker 3: all this money from the government, no one is watching them,
Speaker 3: and so obviously there's so many kids not trained staff.
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna like go through some of the
Speaker 3: fucked up shit that happens to some of the kids there.
Speaker 3: Like one girl ate a meal she was allergic to,
Speaker 3: even though she was wearing the proper red bracelet to
Speaker 3: indicate her allergy. If you're taking good care of kids,
Speaker 3: kids should not be eating shit they're allergic to. Kids
Speaker 3: were forced to sit for four hours as discipline. There
Speaker 3: was slapping, pushing, grabbing, children missing doses of their medication,
Speaker 3: children who had to wait days in pain to see
Speaker 3: a medical profile. A child tested positive for an STD
Speaker 3: and the medical coordinator failed to follow up and the
Speaker 3: miner did not receive medical treatment until four weeks later.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Also, how did that get an STD?
Speaker 3: He so this guy, the owner going back to him, Juan,
Speaker 3: he wanted to go to seminary and then after all
Speaker 3: of his education in nineteen eighty one, all his degrees,
Speaker 3: all the Harvard maybe in at Harvard, he turned fully evil.
Speaker 3: At age thirty three, he returned home to start this charity.
Speaker 3: To help children stay out of prison, and it was
Speaker 3: like helping like his friends. He started this Southwest key
Speaker 3: was an essence. Started to help his friends and the
Speaker 3: kids that didn't become successful like him from the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: And then in the late nineteen eighties, a court settlement
Speaker 3: meant for the first time that migrant children were required
Speaker 3: by law to have their own shelters, and the government asked,
Speaker 3: mister Sanchez, can you take on these migrant children.
Speaker 2: This is the eighties people, Yeah, so this way back.
Speaker 3: So his first nonprofit he did was with his former
Speaker 3: gym teacher, mister Gallegos Gegos, which reminds you that's like
Speaker 3: a lawyer Garaga like this is similar. And they established
Speaker 3: International Educational Services, which is under federal investigation and I
Speaker 3: could not find any information about it. So in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety six is when Southwest he entered the shelter business,
Speaker 3: and right away the lines were very blurry, you know.
Speaker 3: He hired all his friends and family onto the boards.
Speaker 3: And then I mentioned this up top, but he formed
Speaker 3: a limited like limited partnerships with real estate friends where
Speaker 3: their names were the only ones on the documents but him.
Speaker 3: He was a silent partner. So they would buy former
Speaker 3: boarding schools and land and then lease it to Southwest
Speaker 3: Key and the charity paid these real estate partners, but
Speaker 3: they were the partners. Yeah, so they're like double dipping.
Speaker 3: And you know, charities are not supposed to do that. Yes,
Speaker 3: charity should not be making deals that benefit leaders and
Speaker 3: shelter grant recipients are prohibited from pursuing their private financial game.
Speaker 3: Mister Sanchez claims that the government knew that what he
Speaker 3: was doing, which I don't doubt.
Speaker 2: And then but.
Speaker 3: After the Times put them on blast, they disclosed all
Speaker 3: the info and then went to seek to sell their
Speaker 3: stakes and I don't have any info and if they.
Speaker 2: Sold it or like what happened and if they acquired
Speaker 2: new but they did.
Speaker 1: It's like wil that the press is the one that
Speaker 1: has to hold their feet to the fire, like it's
Speaker 1: not the government, no, you know.
Speaker 3: And they continue to acquire new land in locations and
Speaker 3: stuff and use the charity's address and kept building their
Speaker 3: real estate portfolio like they never really stop. They also
Speaker 3: would purchase charter schools and then force the schools to
Speaker 3: award work.
Speaker 2: To Southwest Key for profit.
Speaker 3: Martha Kotera, a school board member started to grow suspicious
Speaker 3: and told The New York Times they were sold to
Speaker 3: us as an economic development enterprises for the community, but
Speaker 3: it was very self serving and the schools we're also
Speaker 3: paying Southwest Key millions for food maintenance, and like she
Speaker 3: left the.
Speaker 2: Board because she was pissed about that.
Speaker 3: And then his good friend who he'd been doing real
Speaker 3: estate broking deals with, became the board member.
Speaker 2: So it's like truly so.
Speaker 3: Insidious and like shady, and all of these kids are
Speaker 3: just being like played with for profit.
Speaker 2: It's really fucked up.
Speaker 3: His excuse for all this is it's not worth for
Speaker 3: him to purchase buildings because he didn't want to get
Speaker 3: stuck with empty shelters if the children stopped coming.
Speaker 2: And also what's wild.
Speaker 3: Is like these places seem like they're coming from a
Speaker 3: bad place, but so is some of the communities.
Speaker 2: So we hate this place.
Speaker 3: But then some of the towns like they don't want
Speaker 3: these shelters, and not because they're immoral and it's fucked up,
Speaker 3: but they don't want their tax dollars going to these people.
Speaker 2: So it's like double evil. So it's like, but isn't
Speaker 2: it federal tax dollars that are going to it.
Speaker 3: Yep, it's not like these people are smart. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: what are we talking about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's like then you want the community to be
Speaker 3: like no, like this is wrong that they're separate and
Speaker 3: trated poorly. But it's mostly people being like I don't
Speaker 3: want my money going these people. And so then he
Speaker 3: gets to play kind of victim and be like, look
Speaker 3: at this discrimination we're dealing with. We're just trying to
Speaker 3: help kids, Like, look at these bad people. So they
Speaker 3: get even more like a sympathetic kind of Edit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a lawsuit from Southwest Key and they suit
Speaker 3: a town in California called Escondido, claiming they were fucking
Speaker 3: with zoning laws to keep them out. And during the lawsuit,
Speaker 3: one quote was used from the citizen and it was
Speaker 3: reported by the New York Times in quotes, I believe
Speaker 3: most of us are sick of paying for undocumented invaders.
Speaker 2: Jesus, Like these are evil people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you imagine calling kids invaders or like people
Speaker 3: that want to live here.
Speaker 2: I just like don't get it. It's just like they
Speaker 2: just don't. It would be crazy.
Speaker 3: But this happens a lot of Like my sister's peers,
Speaker 3: so that she's no, and when we immigrated, are like
Speaker 3: all trumpy, piece of shit right wingers like don't want
Speaker 3: Muslim refugees, don't give a shit about anyone, yeah unless
Speaker 3: and and they don't want like so crazy like we
Speaker 3: came here, we were on welfare, like we got help
Speaker 3: from the Jewish United Fund, all these things, and now
Speaker 3: they're the.
Speaker 2: Most like fuck all these people.
Speaker 3: Look at them sitting on foods and it's like you
Speaker 3: were on foods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even.
Speaker 3: Worse, like my family in New York they live in
Speaker 3: subsidized housing, but like all like that's what Russians do
Speaker 3: in Brighton Beach. They're all in like subsidized housing. And
Speaker 3: then the garages are all filled with Beamers and Mercedes
Speaker 3: they're like taking and then they bring they're bringing their
Speaker 3: grandmas from Russia.
Speaker 2: The grandmas live there, nice ass cars.
Speaker 3: They're like shit, like truly using the government, and then
Speaker 3: are so racist and hateful towards others.
Speaker 2: So maybe I would be again, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, but so yeah, these kids are getting bullshit
Speaker 3: from everyone. They're sitting there hoping to be better and
Speaker 3: have like a good life and people to like love
Speaker 3: and care for them.
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, get them out of my city.
Speaker 3: And then other people are I'm gonna get money off
Speaker 3: putting you in a cage. But they won the lawsuit
Speaker 3: against the town and they won five hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Great, we're buddy to the add it to the pod,
Speaker 2: Like there's no one to cheer for.
Speaker 3: So I went on their site to find out what's
Speaker 3: and they are hiring. So if you're calling is to
Speaker 3: provide and so it says, if your calling is to
Speaker 3: provide compassionate care, join their programs.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking when this was all happening, though, I
Speaker 1: was like, can I just go to Texas like for
Speaker 1: a few days and like hang out with kids. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm an old, I'm a former camp counselor well, they
Speaker 1: let me just know, like you need books to kids.
Speaker 3: Don't you remember charities and American people were coming to
Speaker 3: help and they were turning them away.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let them in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the website, you know, it's like all bullshit. It's
Speaker 3: like we reuniting kids and helping them, but it's the
Speaker 3: opposite of their goal. It's like their goal is to
Speaker 3: make money. So is it to reunite or is it
Speaker 3: to keep these kids longer? Like it's all just conflict
Speaker 3: of interests everywhere. Yeah, their website claims since twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: they have unified one hundred thousand children.
Speaker 2: Do we buy it or not?
Speaker 3: They claimed the typical length of stay for minors is
Speaker 3: thirty two days, and as of now, they have seventeen
Speaker 3: shelters in Texas, eight in Arizona, and two in California.
Speaker 3: So this one place where all that abuse happened closed,
Speaker 3: but they're in business.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now from the Washington Post, as of May one, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, crossings and attempted crossings at the US Mexico
Speaker 3: border are at record levels. Nothing has changed, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's an issue for both sides, Like Republicans accuse Biden
Speaker 3: of being too lenient at the border, and then the
Speaker 3: Democrats accuse Biden of being too tough.
Speaker 2: So it's like everyone's twisted.
Speaker 3: And that's why I said the research was hard because
Speaker 3: the themes you get on an article and it was
Speaker 3: all just like Biden's letting the caravans in.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well I remember, like I just saw
Speaker 1: a tweet the other day that was like gas prices
Speaker 1: have gone down for the past like six days, so
Speaker 1: que a story from Fox New about Mexican caravans coming,
Speaker 1: like they'll pivot it away from that at any moment
Speaker 1: to always put it back on, like the.
Speaker 2: Caravans, the caravans, And it's like, yeah.
Speaker 3: So this is like obviously this is post the episode,
Speaker 3: but I thought i'd let you know, let everyone know
Speaker 3: where everything is stands as of now, and then of
Speaker 3: course I'll close this out with some sex trafficking stories. Okay,
Speaker 3: So in the past six months of since this Washington
Speaker 3: Post article, so far, people at the border have been
Speaker 3: apprehended by the government five hundred and forty nine thousand times.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a lotter a little like
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: What it has means in six months, so okay, uh, okay,
Speaker 1: and most remain in custody or under the radar pending
Speaker 1: a court hearing.
Speaker 3: It could take years to resolve an asylum case like
Speaker 3: we you know what was happening with Gabriella's mom in
Speaker 3: the episode. Yeah, and then half get kicked out immediately
Speaker 3: less than half our process by immigration authorities, and then
Speaker 3: the remainder are allowed to stay in the country and
Speaker 3: apply for asylum and other humanitarian statuses. And then I
Speaker 3: don't know if we knew this, but fifteen thousand Ukrainian
Speaker 3: refugees are in Mexico waiting to get into the US
Speaker 3: as well, and that's a whole other thing obviously, like
Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, and they're separating the Ukrainian children
Speaker 3: from their parents as well.
Speaker 1: So these like people are sure you want to come
Speaker 1: in here, so they like escaped the war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they come here, and they're in Mexico and they're in.
Speaker 3: Mexico because that's a way to get in and then
Speaker 3: they're separated. So they have been separating them as well. Okay,
Speaker 3: what also is an issue today is Title forty two,
Speaker 3: and it is a public health order put in place
Speaker 3: by Trump that allows the government to send migrants back
Speaker 3: to their home countries rather than hold them in detention.
Speaker 3: And the Biden administration kept the policy for more than
Speaker 3: a year and plan to phase it out by May,
Speaker 3: but a group of Republican attorney generals sued to keep
Speaker 3: the policy in place, and a federal judge in Louisiana
Speaker 3: agreed to temporarily block the Biden administration from lifting it.
Speaker 3: Wow so they think lifting it will cause chaos. And
Speaker 3: I truly don't know, and I wrote, I don't know
Speaker 3: why I'm talking about this, and I don't know where
Speaker 3: I stand. But they used it as like a protection
Speaker 3: against COVID and diseases to get people out.
Speaker 2: Fast, right, I remember this. It was a COVID thing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like a closed border thing with COVID. Yeah. These
Speaker 2: federal judgesment.
Speaker 3: This is where quote unquote the liberate whatever, this is
Speaker 3: where we fucked up.
Speaker 2: We were not paying attention to the judges.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The judges are what have fucked everything? Are these
Speaker 3: like right wing appointed judges. It's really wild. The administration
Speaker 3: has cut way back ontoporting people who are already in
Speaker 3: the country illegally, and arrests fell to their lowest level
Speaker 3: since at least twenty fifteen. Biden has ditch Trump's Remain
Speaker 3: in Mexico policy, which required migrants to stay in Mexico
Speaker 3: while they wait for decisions on their asylum claims, and
Speaker 3: then a federal judge later forced the administration to reinstate it.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that's where we really fuck So president
Speaker 2: is like powerless. It feels like the president can't do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, he did some cool shit with a I
Speaker 3: don't even I don't even understand what he did to abortion. Okay,
Speaker 3: And April, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a
Speaker 3: case called Biden versus Texas about whether Biden can end
Speaker 3: the program or not. Also, the Biden administration promises to
Speaker 3: allow asylum officers at the border to grant asylum there
Speaker 3: rather than pass the case onto judges in a bog
Speaker 3: down court system, and people who don't get asylum at
Speaker 3: the border are sent to immigration courts, which usually take
Speaker 3: months to wrap up a case, which is an improvement
Speaker 3: for waiting years.
Speaker 2: And that's what it was like during the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: And all of this is going to be really in
Speaker 3: the air come midterms because Republicans make immigration like a
Speaker 3: bigger and bigger issue and they just like hate immigrates.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, like we talked about the abuse that happens at
Speaker 3: these centers and the laws where we stand currently. But
Speaker 3: the character in the episode was traffic to a different
Speaker 3: state and kept in a cage, So I was curious.
Speaker 3: I just want to to look into the human trafficking
Speaker 3: cases where the government placed children into horrific situations.
Speaker 2: I actually didn't find that much stuff.
Speaker 3: But in January twenty sixteen, The Times reported that the
Speaker 3: Department of Health and Human Services placed more than a
Speaker 3: dozen immigrant children in the custody of human traffickers. And
Speaker 3: this is according to a Senate report. And this government
Speaker 3: agency is the same government agency that's in charge of
Speaker 3: the Southwest Key and like keeping bad above board, so
Speaker 3: everyone's just bad at their jobs and has no soul.
Speaker 3: And they didn't even follow like any basic principles. There
Speaker 3: weren't any home visits usually if like you're going to
Speaker 3: be a foster person in that visits, they like no
Speaker 3: home visits at all when they release these kids. And
Speaker 3: it's super unclear how many of the ninety thousand plus
Speaker 3: kids have been placed into traffickers' hands, like they truly
Speaker 3: lost children, Like I don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 3: And so many cases of trafficking happening outside of the
Speaker 3: government agencies, just straight up traffickers on the border. And
Speaker 3: instead of actually helping these people, were more folks on
Speaker 3: like who deserves to come here safely and not?
Speaker 2: And it's like we're worrying about the wrong things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just the idea of separating kids from their
Speaker 3: parents or caregivers make them so much more susceptible to trafficking,
Speaker 3: and so it's like trafficking. Yeah, it's it's truly like isolating,
Speaker 3: separate and like making it as hard as possible for
Speaker 3: these children to have good lives or be well adjusted,
Speaker 3: or be.
Speaker 2: Safe and cared for.
Speaker 3: And it's really a mess of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
Speaker 3: I hope that all made sense and self relevant. It's
Speaker 3: just like so big and on going, and it's like
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know anything about Southwest Key and stuff that's interesting. Thank
Speaker 1: you for telling me.
Speaker 2: All that business and just like.
Speaker 3: Research charities you give in because I remember I met
Speaker 3: a girl that was like cooking at one of these places.
Speaker 2: Do we meet her together? Who? I don't know? I
Speaker 2: remember like.
Speaker 3: Meeting someone they're like, oh yeah, my job is like
Speaker 3: I cook, I'm a cook at one of these places.
Speaker 2: And later I was like, wait, is this person, Like
Speaker 2: what is happening?
Speaker 1: Just providing them with food is not horrible, but like
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't know what you guys needs
Speaker 1: to be there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just like these people are making so much money
Speaker 3: being so evil and double dipping, and the government agencies
Speaker 3: are allowing it, and yeah, it's all just like political
Speaker 3: fodder and fear tactics and like people are getting fucked
Speaker 3: with because not only of the trafficking, but I mentioned
Speaker 3: up top, it's like longstanding psychological trauma, mental trauma, physical trauma.
Speaker 3: Like the way you love people and attached to people
Speaker 3: forever is gonna be fucked. Like we're not only fucking
Speaker 3: these kids financially, like we're fucking people. Well, it's like
Speaker 3: the same opposite of what a mara like of what
Speaker 3: life is. And isn't it like the chance to live?
Speaker 3: What's the constitution?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, no it is.
Speaker 1: Give us you're tired, your poor year hudled mass is
Speaker 1: yearning to breathe free.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's uh terrible. I just think we have to.
Speaker 1: I just think that there's a whole section of this
Speaker 1: country that doesn't see them as people and that's the problem. Okay,
Speaker 1: But as always, we have a delightful interview to you're
Speaker 1: gonna and you're just gonna love this one today, So
Speaker 1: stay where you are, Okay, guys, today's guest is not
Speaker 1: only super talented, but is the youngest guest in that
Speaker 1: s messed up history. She's been in such films as
Speaker 1: Wish Upon a Unicorn and Life in Long Beach, but
Speaker 1: you guys know her as little Gabriella Sosa. Please enjoy
Speaker 1: our chat with the lovely Scarlet Lopez. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Scarlet officially our youngest person we've ever interviewed on our podcast.
Speaker 2: We're so excited to have you.
Speaker 1: Yes, how old are you now? Do you mind sharing
Speaker 1: your age? I know a lady never tells, but oh yeah, no, no.
Speaker 7: I don't mind. I'm twelve, but I'm going to be
Speaker 7: thirteen in two days.
Speaker 1: Oh what are you doing for him?
Speaker 7: Oh? Yeah, thank you. So for my birthday, I'm going
Speaker 7: to go to six Flags with my friend. And on
Speaker 7: the fifteenth, which is when it's actually my birthday, I'm
Speaker 7: going to be spending it with my dad.
Speaker 1: Nicey, I love six Flags?
Speaker 7: Are you?
Speaker 1: That's oh, sebast Do you like to be You like
Speaker 1: roller coasters?
Speaker 7: To be honest, no, I really don't. It's just like
Speaker 7: my friend he really likes roller coasters, but I don't
Speaker 7: understand why because he's like scared of like a glue
Speaker 7: gun when it's not even on So I'm just.
Speaker 2: Like, are you around a lot of glue guns?
Speaker 7: No, it's because we recently like had a project like
Speaker 7: at the end of the semester where we had to
Speaker 7: like create like these like ocean animals with plastic.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, cool, it was really fun.
Speaker 2: What else have you been doing for summer?
Speaker 7: H not much really, I've just kind of been relaxing
Speaker 7: and talking to my friends. But I don't have summer
Speaker 7: school or anything like that. Oh I do have jiu
Speaker 7: jitsu that which.
Speaker 2: Is jiu jitsu. Yeah, all right, very all right.
Speaker 1: So so you're twelve but on the verge of thirteen.
Speaker 1: So that means like when you did this episode of SVU,
Speaker 1: you were like nine or eight.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, oh my gosh, because you were nine. You
Speaker 2: were so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were awesome in this episode. We were so
Speaker 1: happy you wanted to talk to us.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So, like, I know, like eight to twelve is a
Speaker 1: big range of time because it's like a quarter of
Speaker 1: your young life. But like, do you remember like the
Speaker 1: audition process and like how it was going through getting
Speaker 1: the part?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I do. I remember for the audition I got
Speaker 7: called back because I like cried because I was thinking
Speaker 7: of like my grandma, and like, I guess they really
Speaker 7: liked that, but I had forgotten like a scene and
Speaker 7: I was just like, oh, but they called me back
Speaker 7: and I was just like, oh, they must have really
Speaker 7: liked me. So then yeah, after that, I got the part.
Speaker 2: Amazing. You are very good at crying.
Speaker 3: So did you always you think of the same thing
Speaker 3: usually when you like, did you know you have that
Speaker 3: skill before you went into the audition?
Speaker 7: Uh? I practiced like my mom and me would like
Speaker 7: try to like watch videos of me, like like Bambi
Speaker 7: or like, uh, you know, sad videos like to like
Speaker 7: have me start crying. And then Mom was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: this is not really working, so try to think of
Speaker 7: like someone dying and like one of your family members dying.
Speaker 7: And I was just like, oh okay, and then I
Speaker 7: started crying when I thought of my grandma.
Speaker 2: So oh wow.
Speaker 1: So because you were only a kid, you had brought
Speaker 1: your parents to set with you or were your mom
Speaker 1: or your daughter or.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah my mom went with me. Yeah, like
Speaker 7: practicing the scripts nice? Yeah, we just it was just
Speaker 7: kind of off because it was in New York, so
Speaker 7: it was just like like the sleep schedule was a
Speaker 7: lot different.
Speaker 3: Oh right, right, jet Lag. Did you spend time in
Speaker 3: your fun trailer? Was that exciting?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like that. But I think my favorite part
Speaker 7: about it all is like hanging out with the cast
Speaker 7: and you know, eating all the snacks.
Speaker 2: That sounds like it would be our favorite part too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We actually talked to Andy Powers on our podcast. He
Speaker 1: was the guy that takes me away, the bad guy,
Speaker 1: like the officers would take you away, and he was
Speaker 1: telling us that you were great to work with them.
Speaker 7: Oh wowe Yeah, what scoop do you have about the cast?
Speaker 3: Like any fun stories with Mauritia, Guys, Tea or Kelly
Speaker 3: or just any fun stories from the set.
Speaker 7: Oh, I'd say fun story was it wasn't really with them,
Speaker 7: but there was like these two these two little girls.
Speaker 7: One of them actually I think it was like we
Speaker 7: had the same name or I think it was Charlotte.
Speaker 7: I think maybe not Scarlette. But they were really really
Speaker 7: fun to work with. They were like always gooping with
Speaker 7: me and like my mom, Like when my mom was
Speaker 7: trying to have me like start crying, they would always
Speaker 7: be like, Oh, do you want to come play with us?
Speaker 7: Do you want to hang out? Do you want to tag?
Speaker 7: And I was just like and my mom was just like, well,
Speaker 7: we have to like get her ready for this, But
Speaker 7: I just kept playing around with them and it was
Speaker 7: just really fun with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Hard to cry when you're having fun with your friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of photos of you online with
Speaker 3: like iced Tamurushka, and everyone is smiling so big. I
Speaker 3: don't think I've ever seen ice Tea smile so much.
Speaker 3: It's like they all really enjoyed you being there too.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Did you love getting to eat all the pizza and
Speaker 1: ice crea that they can't bring in your character? Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I loved it. I was just like can I
Speaker 7: can I keep eating it?
Speaker 2: Like amazing?
Speaker 3: The subject matter of the episode is so like intense.
Speaker 3: Was that you know you being so young? Did they
Speaker 3: kind of protect you from it? Were you aware of
Speaker 3: how serious and kind of scary the scenes were?
Speaker 2: How did that work?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I was. I was aware of what was going on,
Speaker 7: but I like had to ask my mom some like
Speaker 7: questions like oh, like what does this mean? Why is
Speaker 7: this happening? And she was explaining to me, Oh, sometimes
Speaker 7: like you know this happens to kids your age and
Speaker 7: even younger. I was just like, oh, wow, that's that's
Speaker 7: you know, horrible, Like this shouldn't be happening to like
Speaker 7: kids my age, and I was just it just like
Speaker 7: made me even more sad and like get more into character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is really sad when you were I
Speaker 1: remember like the one scene that was like so emotional
Speaker 1: was like when you finally get to like do a
Speaker 1: video chat with your mom in the episode. But like
Speaker 1: because that's like a video chat where you just like
Speaker 1: doing performing your part to like an empty iPad or what,
Speaker 1: because like that she wasn't really on the other side
Speaker 1: of the screen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was actually a prerecorded video of her, and
Speaker 7: like so you had to like time it perfectly so
Speaker 7: I would just like cry when she like you know
Speaker 7: like waited.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, really a pro. Yeah. How did you get
Speaker 2: into acting altogether?
Speaker 7: When I was five? I think there's like a I'm
Speaker 7: not sure if it was like a convention or something,
Speaker 7: but uh, like it was just like a group of
Speaker 7: all these kids who are like had to like like
Speaker 7: like do a monologue and like you know, a cold read,
Speaker 7: and I was just like, oh, maybe I'm not right
Speaker 7: for this and I got kind of scared, but then
Speaker 7: like I didn't I didn't get to make it because
Speaker 7: I think I was like too young. But uh so
Speaker 7: then I tried it again with like a different group
Speaker 7: of people, and I think like that that time, I
Speaker 7: was like more prepared and like my mom was too,
Speaker 7: and so like, yeah, I think that's when I started,
Speaker 7: like officially like acting.
Speaker 2: Did something inspire you?
Speaker 3: Like was there a movie or a specific actor or
Speaker 3: something that got you going?
Speaker 7: No, not not really. I think it was like my
Speaker 7: uncle because he just like acting too, but it's just
Speaker 7: like small. I was just like, huh, that's that looks
Speaker 7: kind of fun, and I was just like maybe I
Speaker 7: should try that. Yeah, because I started when I was
Speaker 7: like five five.
Speaker 3: And we saw you got nominated for an award for
Speaker 3: your acting that Yeah.
Speaker 7: That was that was pretty exciting. I I was pretty nervous,
Speaker 7: to be honest. It's just like who this was my
Speaker 7: first time doing this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there was like a red carpet and everything
Speaker 1: and like a whole word thing that's awesome.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I think like that was like the first time
Speaker 7: that was like interviewed, like it was from this girl
Speaker 7: from like the I think a YouTube channel, and I
Speaker 7: feel like I was kind of unprepared for that, so
Speaker 7: I was pretty nervous, but I think I did pretty alright.
Speaker 2: I'm sure what did you air?
Speaker 1: Uh? It was I saw a picture of it on
Speaker 1: your Instagram. I think it was so pretty. It was
Speaker 1: like a red dress, right, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my grandma bought it for me. Actually, yeah, it's cute.
Speaker 2: I love that and we were you know, you had
Speaker 2: to do an accent? Was that hard? Did you work
Speaker 2: with a coach?
Speaker 7: No? No, no, because my grandma she has a pretty,
Speaker 7: you know, heart accent, so I was able to get
Speaker 7: it from her.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I was thinking of her, well, like, oh how
Speaker 7: does how does how does she pronounce this? How does
Speaker 7: like she like, uh say these things? I was just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 7: I guess that's how you do it.
Speaker 2: Yees so impressive. At nine, I feel like to do accents.
Speaker 3: Like we have another scene we really love is you
Speaker 3: and Kelly Giddish When you're like, oh no, the baby's
Speaker 3: in there?
Speaker 2: It was like really really cute.
Speaker 3: Did you guys get along? Like, did you have any
Speaker 3: fun moments? Did you bring her dog on set or anything?
Speaker 7: No? I actually didn't know she had a dog. Oh dog?
Speaker 7: What kind of dog?
Speaker 2: Is it like a big lab looking? Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: a big blonde dog. Do you have pets?
Speaker 7: Actually, yeah, I do. I have a dog, turtle, and
Speaker 7: a hamster. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whoa, Oh I thought your dog's name was turtle. A dog,
Speaker 1: a turtle, and a hamster. That's like a menagerie. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of animals. Are you taking care of them?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: How did your friends react to, you know, you being
Speaker 3: in like SBU or other cool things that you've done,
Speaker 3: or because are you?
Speaker 2: Are you in La?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I am a mill Or is it because La everyone's
Speaker 3: kind of acting, all the kids or no.
Speaker 7: I was kind of surprised, to be honest, Like when
Speaker 7: I was in elementary school, Like a bunch of people
Speaker 7: were surprised that like a kid could be acting and
Speaker 7: they were all just like, oh, you're acting, and they're
Speaker 7: like super surprised, and I was just like, yeah, I
Speaker 7: am acting. Yeah, And then like, but you're so young
Speaker 7: and you're here with us, this is so weird. They
Speaker 7: were just like super surprised.
Speaker 2: Did you watch the episode?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah I did when it came out on who.
Speaker 7: We actually had a party at my mom's friend's house
Speaker 7: and like we all watched it like with their family,
Speaker 7: and it was pretty fun. And I think the most
Speaker 7: like fun or not fun part, but like the most
Speaker 7: inspirational part of that was when her her dad started
Speaker 7: crying because of like the scenes that I was in
Speaker 7: and how he saw that because like you know, he
Speaker 7: was an immigrant and he like came to the US
Speaker 7: and like he was able to like actually experience that.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: And it was just like I was like.
Speaker 3: Wow, do you have any big dream roles or a
Speaker 3: show that you would love to be on? Is there
Speaker 3: anything like you want to try to manifest.
Speaker 7: Over the future In the future, I was thinking like
Speaker 7: maybe maybe like Marvel. I'm a big fan of like
Speaker 7: Marvel movies, and so I was thinking, like maybe I
Speaker 7: can be like a Latina superhero.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that would be pretty fun. Any
Speaker 2: what would your special powers be.
Speaker 7: I think it would be like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 7: maybe you're not like super speed because I just think
Speaker 7: of like the Flash and that's like from DC. So uh,
Speaker 7: maybe it would be like uh, like lasers, like uh
Speaker 7: lasers that come out of my fingers or like I
Speaker 7: had like this power that would like it would mimic
Speaker 7: other people's powers.
Speaker 1: Oh that mhm, that's a really cool idea. All right,
Speaker 1: Marvel take a note. Do you have actors that you
Speaker 1: look up to? Like, who is your favorite? Who do
Speaker 1: you like to watch?
Speaker 7: Uh? I think your name is gal Gada woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I feel like she's like pretty inspiring because I've seen her,
Speaker 7: you know, movies like Wonder Woman and with Leonardo DiCaprio,
Speaker 7: And I was just like, Wow, you're pretty.
Speaker 2: Amazing, Like you can do all.
Speaker 7: This and like you're like you get into like acting
Speaker 7: like a lot. Like she's like very serious when it
Speaker 7: comes to like her roles that she plays.
Speaker 2: She's like awesome, amazing.
Speaker 3: Any you know, our listeners obviously really love us to
Speaker 3: be like we do. Do you have any final kind
Speaker 3: of stories or moments you think people would really like
Speaker 3: to know or hear about from your time there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's kind of like hard to remember, but uh,
Speaker 7: something that I do remember is I tease daughter.
Speaker 2: Now she is.
Speaker 7: So cute, like the cutest girl I've ever seen. Oh
Speaker 7: my god, she love her. Yeah, she looks just like him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was just like, you guys are twins. Like immediately,
Speaker 7: I was just like, you guys like looked like the
Speaker 7: exact same person. Like it's like so hard like to
Speaker 7: tell the difference between them, I other than like the age.
Speaker 7: And I was just like, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you play with her or she was probably tiny?
Speaker 2: Were you just like yeah?
Speaker 7: I was just like oh, and I just kind of
Speaker 7: wanted to just like carry her and like hug her
Speaker 7: and take.
Speaker 2: Her home with me. Yeah, she is such a cutie.
Speaker 3: Well, we're very honored you came to talk to us.
Speaker 3: You were so talented and so good in the episode,
Speaker 3: and we feel really.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we can't wait to see what you do
Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, hopefully, and have the best time
Speaker 1: at six Flags. Six Flags Rules, I love six Flags
Speaker 1: and happy birthday.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. We're gonna we're now
Speaker 1: we're a children's podcast. We're only interviewing the child stars
Speaker 1: of Lawn Order us.
Speaker 2: You so cute, you know.
Speaker 3: I just love what a professional she is and that
Speaker 3: she's like, yeah, Bamby didn't make me cry.
Speaker 2: I don't care. Family meet like cool twelve year olds.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, maybe like kids have a chance, they're
Speaker 1: not all going to be assholes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, the kids are better now, Yeah, the kids are better.
Speaker 3: Well, I talk to this therapist, and I think therapists
Speaker 3: get competitive because I was telling my therapists that I
Speaker 3: talked to this other therapist for the podcast, and she
Speaker 3: just started shading and like rolling her like she was
Speaker 3: like livid.
Speaker 2: I said. I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: He said a few insightful things and then I said
Speaker 3: one of them. She goes, that's what you thought? Was
Speaker 3: that insight I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. But he would say, you.
Speaker 3: Know, we're talking about the kids and all of that
Speaker 3: at how they are different and better now and what's
Speaker 3: the key to raising great children?
Speaker 2: And he just said, love the shit out of them
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 3: Possible way ever, so they can be as grounded and
Speaker 3: in themselves as possible. And I feel because thiseneration of
Speaker 3: people having kids did not have that, I feel like
Speaker 3: parents are allowing their kids to be them and just
Speaker 3: being like like saying I love you more, just being
Speaker 3: sweeter and letting people like I just I think the
Speaker 3: next generation will be more well adjusted because I said
Speaker 3: something them. I'm like, it just takes so long to
Speaker 3: deal with all the mental stuff to get better and
Speaker 3: work on yourself, and like it, I feel like it's
Speaker 3: taking me decades to like learn shit about myself. And
Speaker 3: he goes, well, yeah, because you were fucked as a kid,
Speaker 3: and so you have to do all this decades of unlearning.
Speaker 3: But if you're not as fucked as a kid, yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't have to do all this like reverse work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to know. You could be like my parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my parents said they loved me all the time
Speaker 3: I did this, I did that, and so verse like,
Speaker 3: you know, my dad's never said a nice thing to me,
Speaker 3: and so now I have to deal with that for decades.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean, yeah, she was amazing, and its
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, it just made like everything
Speaker 1: we're talking about makes the True Crime Pop portion of
Speaker 1: thatisode even more fucking heartbreaking that we're just traumatizing all
Speaker 1: these children by tearing them away from their parents at
Speaker 1: the border.
Speaker 3: But my god, Kara, Okay, so you know, my friend
Speaker 3: Julia was in town this week. This should have been
Speaker 3: in the intro the hotel we were staying out for
Speaker 3: two days. They were filming vander Pump Roules. Okay, we
Speaker 3: got to watch them film vander Pump Rules all night
Speaker 3: for three hours.
Speaker 2: We all ate mushrooms.
Speaker 3: There's four of us and just sat for hours watching.
Speaker 3: We made friends with production. They were giving us inside
Speaker 3: scoot like it was a great moment. But then the
Speaker 3: next day Julia wanted some Tom Tom. So we go
Speaker 3: to Tom Tom. We're friendly with the bartender or reving fun.
Speaker 3: He's cracking jokes and then something shifts. He says he
Speaker 3: does comedy. I mean that's a problem. But then he
Speaker 3: says something about like I don't know how it started.
Speaker 3: But he says he's a moderate, and we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: do you suck? He goes, no, no, no, I'm moderate. And
Speaker 3: this is my new question now that I'm going to
Speaker 3: ask anyone that thinks for moderate before I get to
Speaker 3: know anyone. From now on, I'm gonna say, do you
Speaker 3: believe that children deserve free lunch at school? Because if
Speaker 3: you don't believe in that, I don't want you next
Speaker 3: to me. I don't want to hang out with you.
Speaker 3: I don't want anything like that to me. Is like
Speaker 3: the core, like if you are not so? I said,
Speaker 3: do you believe in free line? He goes, no, pay
Speaker 3: for it. Tell your parents to get a better job.
Speaker 3: I go, so you think kids should not eat because
Speaker 3: their parents have bad jobs. He goes, yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: my problem. I'm a libertarian. And I was like, God,
Speaker 3: this is what we're dealing with. Though, this is what
Speaker 3: we're dealing Like we think like we're all connected and
Speaker 3: like caring about stuff. This simple thing of like we
Speaker 3: don't want children starving, and there are people that are
Speaker 3: just bartending at Tom Tom thinking they're normal, not wanting
Speaker 3: children to eat for free.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And Lisa, I gotta say, I thought you.
Speaker 1: Were just wanting to tell the story, and you really
Speaker 1: did bring it around what we were talking about.
Speaker 2: I should have heard out.
Speaker 1: Of you like it's like, oh, I guess she just
Speaker 1: wants to tell the vander film story.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's that mentality.
Speaker 1: It's the same fucking mentality of this bartender.
Speaker 2: You're exactly right, like we think.
Speaker 3: We're the same, but there are people who do not
Speaker 3: give a shit if kids are starving.
Speaker 2: They don't care. Wow.
Speaker 3: And then Julie asked you do you believe in public education?
Speaker 3: And he goes, no, it sucks, And this is what
Speaker 3: we're fighting against. There is no both sides anymore. There
Speaker 3: is no moderate, there is no nothing. And this guy
Speaker 3: thinks he's moderate. He's against public school and children eating
Speaker 3: for free, and he thinks he's moderate. It's like, what
Speaker 3: do you think a radical is, bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're you're you're edging on right wing, my bro.
Speaker 2: That's but and then and.
Speaker 3: Then we started looking him up when we went to dinner,
Speaker 3: and it was like.
Speaker 2: What like his insta he's not vaxed.
Speaker 3: We found out he's not vaxed nothing.
Speaker 2: Was he wearing a mask? Of course not?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Bartending, No, he doesn't believe in it.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: And then Julie goes, but your pro abortion? He goes,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pro choice, not pro abortion.
Speaker 2: And she said.
Speaker 3: Something to him about like, well, choice for masks, and
Speaker 3: he goes, you're right, I am pro abortion. So at
Speaker 3: least we have one thing where he agreed he is
Speaker 3: pro abortion. But I also, I wish I asked them this,
Speaker 3: because all these libertarians it's like, do what you want.
Speaker 3: But it's like, but then you hate trans people right, right?
Speaker 3: But they can't. But the bat like, I just whatever once,
Speaker 3: So I'm going to write a joke about it.
Speaker 2: This is my new hill to die on.
Speaker 3: If you don't think children should eat for free, I
Speaker 3: don't want you around me. And you're a bad person.
Speaker 2: I gess that. Yeah, and we were talking.
Speaker 3: Maybe he doesn't, maybe he's never starved, Maybe he doesn't
Speaker 3: realize it. Maybe to him a philosophical debate where he
Speaker 3: doesn't realize that, Like, it just sucks. And then we
Speaker 3: expect children to do all school and these kids are like,
Speaker 3: it's even worse, but it affects you. Not eating affects you,
Speaker 3: and not having like active parents in the home affects you. Trauma,
Speaker 3: all of these things like go in your being, and
Speaker 3: then we expect people to just like thrive in this world.
Speaker 2: It's sick. It's sick, I know.
Speaker 1: And it's like that even the consistency of knowing where
Speaker 1: that you were, like you're going to get your meal
Speaker 1: at school, you know, like just knowing that you're always
Speaker 1: going to have that, it must take so much stress
Speaker 1: off of kids and like, yeah, that's I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great example of what this episode tried to
Speaker 1: show too, was help. Yeah, people just they're not looking
Speaker 1: at immigrants as people and it's fucked up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's the Daniel Kluia black mirror, you know
Speaker 3: where they're all bugs.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, the army one right, yeah, yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 3: Our people don't even need those glasses to make people know.
Speaker 1: You don't need any kind of creepy futuristic technology.
Speaker 2: You guys just have good old fashioned bigotry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seeing the world through biggot colored glasses, all right,
Speaker 1: And that it's a business.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's this one is horrific and we're living
Speaker 3: in it and it's just sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hoping. I hope that the situation at the
Speaker 2: border is improving.
Speaker 1: But I do know that there's a lot of amazing
Speaker 1: organizations that are working to help people at the border
Speaker 1: and immigrants and refugees. So I would like to segue
Speaker 1: into what would Sister PEG do our weekly segment where
Speaker 1: we give you guys an organization, an article, a book,
Speaker 1: a doc, something that will flesh out today's topic with
Speaker 1: more information for you. So today we wanted to I
Speaker 1: wanted to highlight this organization all Otrolado, which is Spanish
Speaker 1: for the other side. It's a l O t ro
Speaker 1: la d o dot org allotrolado dot org. And this
Speaker 1: group offers free legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deporties,
Speaker 1: and other migrants on both sides of the US and
Speaker 1: Mexico border. I donated to them when this is zero
Speaker 1: tolerance policy like first came into into action, and I've
Speaker 1: I've always kept in touch with what they're doing, and
Speaker 1: I think that they have They do great work. Their
Speaker 1: work focuses on sympathetic understanding of the trauma that migrants
Speaker 1: go through in the immigration process, so we I love
Speaker 1: that approach, and I urge everyone to go to all
Speaker 1: ultral Atto dot org and see if you can find
Speaker 1: out more about what they do and donate a little
Speaker 1: bit if you have the memes.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, Kara. That sounds like
Speaker 2: a good one. I feel like I'm going to get involved.
Speaker 3: Next week's episode will be Savior Season eleven, episode fourteen,
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