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Speaker 1: Wanting everybody as J n V. Charlemagne to God, we

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Speaker 2: If you're just joining us with celebrating the twentieth anniversary

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Speaker 2: of wilding Out.

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Speaker 1: You could take your headphones off. Guys, you can take

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Speaker 1: you headphones, take their headphones off. I'm sorry, I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: That, something like we're like no head yeah, sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's our first day.

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Speaker 2: But we're celebrating the twentieth anniversary of wilding Out and

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Speaker 2: we have b some moaning Justina Valentine this morning.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we're asking eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: Five eighty five five one? Can men show weakness? Can

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Speaker 2: they show vulnerability? Can they be open and free with

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Speaker 3: M cand But is it worth it?

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Speaker 4: It's probably not.

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Speaker 3: It is worth it if you do it the right way.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us.

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Speaker 5: You can't do it. First of all, the Internet is

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Speaker 5: never going to be a place where hundreds and thousands

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Speaker 5: of people aren't going to attack somebody and have opinions.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, if I'm putting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have to be fine with you. But

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Speaker 4: I know one thing for sure, And do you think

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Speaker 4: for certain my man better let me bust it open

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Speaker 4: our break or whomever like he better not say nothing

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Speaker 7: I mean, why do you why do y'all think a

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Speaker 3: I love you, You're my woman.

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Speaker 7: If I've committed to you in that way, like say,

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Speaker 7: like they were married, you know, we got children together.

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Speaker 7: Why can't my feelings be hurt if I see you

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Speaker 4: I think it can be if she's not like in

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Speaker 4: the entertainment space. But again, Kiki is an entertainer. She

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Speaker 4: had eyes on her. This is why Usher picked her

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Speaker 4: is who she is. So that's why I think she

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Speaker 1: She has a baby relationship, She didn't bang them.

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Speaker 7: She just like what y'all do, That it's all entertainment

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Speaker 7: thing is not a valid excuse.

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Speaker 1: And guess what well then I need in.

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Speaker 7: This industry, we used to take our we were told

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Speaker 7: we weren't married back in the day, back and the yeah,

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Speaker 7: don't you think that wouldn't hurt wife's feelings.

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Speaker 5: Partner, if you really what's upset about that, That's something

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Speaker 5: you should know about your partner before you get in

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Speaker 5: front of usher.

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Speaker 3: That's true, But I want.

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Speaker 7: To take it out of the US and Kiki thing.

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Speaker 7: I just want to say, man, we got so many

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Speaker 7: men in therapy, so many men doing the work. But

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Speaker 7: men always get so much flak for not expressing their emotions,

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Speaker 7: not expressing their feelings. But when they do, they get

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Speaker 7: called him to kill suckers and punks, and you know

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Speaker 7: that he's not on her level. He's jealous of her successful.

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Speaker 7: How about some men are just in love and trying

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Speaker 1: Out, they be jealous so too.

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Speaker 4: Especially like No, I'm just saying like it could it

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Speaker 1: Could be a little bit of both.

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Speaker 4: It could be a little bit of jealousness and a

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Speaker 5: It, being a little jealous of me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my feelings because you're buzzing it open on somebody else. See.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, if you guys had men and

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Speaker 2: I'm not feeling good, it's not right. Y'all wouldn't get

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: Now if me and Charlamagne put on there. I just

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Speaker 3: Man, and we know if double standards for everything.

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Speaker 7: But when women express their emotions and feelings, we're told

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Speaker 7: we should listen, regardless of where they expressed them.

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Speaker 3: But when men do.

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Speaker 7: It, we suckers and we secure that's not right, man,

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Speaker 3: Men will learn how to publicly express their emotions.

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Speaker 2: We even look at look my situation in my book.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a book about me and my wife's relationship.

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Speaker 2: We've been together twenty nine years, thirty years, and I

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Speaker 3: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: We were sixteen and fifteen. There were memes they made

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Speaker 7: That what he's trying to get sympathy right now. Nobody

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Speaker 7: shamed him because he expressed it, you know, his emotions

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Speaker 7: shamed because he ain't know how to work the middle.

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Speaker 7: That's why it's a lot of guys for years what

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Speaker 1: But if you don't know, you can't fix it. You

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Speaker 2: It was sixteen when when I was she was at

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Speaker 1: Guess how it came out. It was sixteen. But I

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Speaker 1: It was nobody to tell me or teach me.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I did it so people could learn and

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Speaker 7: Everybody read that book was like, I've been making women orgas. Okay,

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Speaker 7: you the one that ain't your making fun of me.

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Speaker 5: This year, so you ain't the only one that ain't

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Speaker 5: doing nothing in the bedroom I'm thirty three and had

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's crazy, Like you weren't having sex with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I Yeah, she was.

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Speaker 1: Having an orgasm with my mouth, not with my penis.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing I was.

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Speaker 4: Gonna say, she really love you though, because she's still

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Speaker 1: No, It's like she's she's a real right to speak up.

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Speaker 5: It's not the main its fault if you don't know,

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Speaker 5: if you ain't telling them nothing to me, telling.

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Speaker 3: This lie about how he was making her do it

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Speaker 1: Did she was on you? Bro says And the first

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Speaker 1: thing I am not cling.

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Speaker 7: I love the fact that you expressed your fieling have

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Speaker 7: nothing to do with woman all gathered years. That's what

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Speaker 7: we're talking about. We're not talking about you expressing your

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Speaker 7: feeling No, I'm not expressing not one time I said

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Speaker 7: you wrong for expressing your feelings wrong, but not making

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Speaker 4: The first time she actually really orgasm was She's like,

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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, babe, I've been lying for a decade

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: What was that?

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Speaker 3: Like? Right?

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Speaker 1: It's in the book. Let me read the books. Period.

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Speaker 7: All of the moral of the story is we got

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Speaker 7: to stop shaming men for expressing themselves. The middle of

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Speaker 7: to make the positive healing behavior public too. And y'all

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Speaker 7: gonna make it the way Minfield like it's not worthing

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Speaker 7: to express himself because of how y'all react to.

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Speaker 1: And I guess what more men step up?

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Speaker 5: Like there should be more men on the internet really

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Speaker 5: supporting this brother in this time. If that's what y'all believe.

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 3: We don't need did we get we get shamed for

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Speaker 3: that against she's a mom. I don't care what outing

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't care about any of that. I care

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Speaker 1: Express gentleman, lady, what's up, brother? What's your thoughts? Man?

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Speaker 6: That's just how this world is.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 6: They expect a man to shut up, be quiet, produce,

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Speaker 6: don't have no feelings, don't show no hurt. I work

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Speaker 6: in the criminal courts. Right now, there's the case a

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Speaker 6: brother was losing custody of his child and let's just

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Speaker 6: stay right now. You gotta do eighteen years in prisony

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Speaker 6: because nobody would listen to him. Nobody expects, oh, why

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Speaker 3: But he ended up calling doing violence to the young lady.

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Speaker 6: Exactly so Avenue. He was calling his friend every night crying. Ye,

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Speaker 6: nobody else would listen to him. This man was in

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Speaker 6: a lot of thames. He just wants you to shut up.

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Speaker 6: Imagine seeing your woman on stage dressed like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't care about that.

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Speaker 6: Something inappropriate. What's the man supposed to do? React after

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Speaker 6: he told it to come out dress like that?

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Speaker 2: He told me, I don't know, but this is what

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Speaker 4: This is also Keky Palmer, very famous, very talented entertainer.

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Speaker 4: She's not just you know, someone who went out that

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Speaker 4: she is who she is. I think we're forgetting that point.

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Speaker 3: That's a very for forgetting. Oh that's why.

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Speaker 7: That's what he was expressing in that interview when he

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Speaker 7: was saying how he always fucked. He had the need

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Speaker 7: to be perfect because she's Keky Palmer, and he felt

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 4: All the allowances that men are afforded, who are famous,

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Speaker 4: who are are females not afforded.

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Speaker 1: Those the same allowances?

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Speaker 4: Because men that have, you know, a long list of

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Speaker 4: options and are famous, I feel like they get away

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Speaker 4: with a lot more than just a normal do relationship.

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Speaker 1: They should. I don't think they should.

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Speaker 2: See the problem was was I don't necessarily think the

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Speaker 1: I think it was this the phone, right, you think

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: Men go to a strip club, they get lap dances,

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Speaker 2: nobody knows, nobody sees. But now imagine your men and

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Speaker 2: there's a video of your man getting a crazy lap

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Speaker 2: dance and.

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Speaker 1: You feel the trails.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, when that fudge leaves a little line, you be.

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Speaker 3: Mad because you've been publicly embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So it's really not about it's really you don't

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Speaker 5: want people to know, because it's really you want to

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 7: I just think you shouldn't publicly embarrass your significant other.

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Speaker 7: I think that grow publicly.

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Speaker 5: But why is it not embarrassing if it's about behind

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Speaker 5: Like you said, if there's no cameras out and you

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Speaker 3: Oh, but then y'all two can have a conversation working.

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Speaker 1: It is easy to work.

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Speaker 2: And it's like if you and your man getting an

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Speaker 1: Now you might feel a certain way.

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Speaker 2: Things that you might have forgave him for at home,

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Speaker 3: And that's what the young man was wrong for.

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Speaker 7: The young man was wrong for. She was wrong for

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Speaker 7: publicly embarrassing him with us. He was wrong for publicly

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Speaker 7: ambassing Arou on social media. They could have just had

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Speaker 2: One's the sex and more calls eight hundred and five

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Speaker 2: eight five one oh five to one Colin let us

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Speaker 2: know what you think.

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Speaker 3: It's the breakfast l in the morning express their feelings.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's DJ Envy, Charlamagne the God. We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the twentieth anniversary or the twentieth season

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Speaker 2: of wild'n Out, and we have Justina Valentine and b

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Speaker 2: Simoni Bizard And if you're just joining us, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about men being able to express their feelings. Is it

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Speaker 2: why when a man exp is this feeling, he's a sucker,

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Speaker 2: he's he's he's a whim. But when women do it this,

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Speaker 2: they get so much support. And I know you're about

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Speaker 2: to see something. He was about to say something justin.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, did I not see the full clip?

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Speaker 4: Because the clip I saw was not that crazy, That's

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like if she had been bent over

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Speaker 4: but the clip I saw was not crazy at all.

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Speaker 2: Say this though, like, as a man, what you just

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Speaker 2: said is probably what he saw in his mind.

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Speaker 8: Right, that's what.

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Speaker 2: Your wife, your girl, your baby mother, that's what you've seen.

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Speaker 2: You didn't just see little dance you see.

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Speaker 1: That's what you said.

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Speaker 7: By the way, what's wrong with being insecure and what's

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Speaker 7: wrong with me expressing that.

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Speaker 3: I'm insecure now?

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Speaker 7: Because the insecurity is going to express whether I stay

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Speaker 7: on just tell my my behavior, you're gonna tell about

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Speaker 7: certain language. All I'm saying is you gotta let men

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Speaker 7: be able to express these emotions because if you don't,

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Speaker 7: they're gonna keep them pent up inside. And we've all

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Speaker 7: seen what with what that leads to that do nothing

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Speaker 5: My thing is express it. But then what is the solution? Like,

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Speaker 5: if I'm insecure, we need to figure out how to get.

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Speaker 3: Work on that. If I'm judge with each other?

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Speaker 5: Right, But I think people just want to vent and

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Speaker 5: express and then let's get to the root of it

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Speaker 5: though we have to heal it and fix it.

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Speaker 2: But the whole thing is in a lot of relationships

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Speaker 2: people they argue to win, right, and not argue to

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Speaker 1: If you win, I lose.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't be a winner or lose it, she'd be Let's

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Speaker 1: resolve the.

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Speaker 3: Situation and move on, simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have Charlena on the phone. Are you named

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Speaker 1: after Charlemagne?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: God, No, I'm just joking. I'm just joking, charlmona, what's

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Speaker 1: your what'd you think? What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 9: Okay, Well, I feel like her baby father was very

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Speaker 9: insecure about the whole scenario. I mean, if anything, you

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Speaker 9: should have been uplifted her and proud of his woman

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Speaker 9: because carry herself. She's healthy, she's living, she had the baby.

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Speaker 3: We missed.

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Speaker 7: We missing the whole point of the conversation. The whole

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Speaker 7: point of the conversation is should men be able to

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Speaker 7: express their feelings publicly without being shamed?

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Speaker 9: Express insecurity, that is his feelings.

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Speaker 3: My god't even consider feelings anymore. That men can't be insecure.

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Speaker 3: We don't. We can't reserve the right to be insecure.

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Speaker 4: You know what, You can be insecure, but not at

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Speaker 4: the expense of putting your woman down. So if he

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Speaker 3: But he was of the part on the internet.

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Speaker 4: And like, and if she's really not cheating on him

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Speaker 4: you also have to give her that grace, like, you

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Speaker 4: and she just.

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Speaker 3: Had a baby.

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Speaker 1: Looks damn good.

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Speaker 3: Like what you hear, what y'all just said.

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Speaker 7: And that's what I keep trying to trying to stress

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Speaker 7: know it was misplaced aggression. I know he didn't care

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. The solution therapy, somebody a professional

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Speaker 5: to talk to this that like, if you go to

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Speaker 5: but get to the solution.

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Speaker 1: Don't just keep arguing tj yo.

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Speaker 3: What's up? Brother?

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Speaker 1: What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Man? Man?

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Speaker 6: So my thought is to be able to express how

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, we say, you know mental health

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Speaker 8: like something straight up un you you're keeping all that

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Speaker 8: fighted up as a man that you lash out on

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Speaker 8: that works? Like it just ain't healthy. Like I'm waiting

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Speaker 8: thing I'm always.

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Speaker 6: Telling to hey, use your boy, if you if you don't.

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Speaker 7: Like something saying that's right, because the reality is we're

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Speaker 7: going to get there, meaning that if you use your

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Speaker 7: even if you don't say what you really mean, work

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Speaker 7: like you said, I want to get to the root.

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Speaker 3: We're trying to do, get to the root to heal

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we got a moral of the story.

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Speaker 3: Moral of the stories.

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Speaker 7: Men should be able to express their emotions and feelings

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Speaker 1: And women should be able to hold up.

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Speaker 4: As long as there not really like a whole, as

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Speaker 4: long as it's just innocent hoeing.

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Speaker 1: It's a difference.

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Speaker 4: First, if you're a relationship, it was innocent, it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: That's the kind of crazy thuff Man used to say

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Speaker 9: I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna get right back, all right. Twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: when we come back, we got your room report. We

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Speaker 1: got to talk about Tiffany Hattish.

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Speaker 2: If you're trying to shoot your shot at celebrities, well

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Speaker 2: she's gonna give you some tips on how to do

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Speaker 2: so we'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: Nexus to the breakfast club, be eating