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Speaker 1: These One Bill's Live presented by Kaleida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, how's everybody doing.

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Speaker 3: We're here on a Wednesday at the NFL Scouting Combine

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Speaker 3: in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Coming he alive until three pm.

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Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Matty Glab with you and another star studded

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Speaker 3: lineup of guests here at the Combine. And I'll just

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Speaker 3: know what to stay tuned for through the course of

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Speaker 3: today's show. Coming up in about thirty minutes time, we'll

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Speaker 3: have ESPN Draft analyst Matt Miller going to get his

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Speaker 3: four to one one on the prospects he likes who

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Speaker 3: we might see is a fit for the Bills, among others.

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Speaker 3: Then second hour of the show, the next draft guru,

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Speaker 3: we'll have Dane Brugler from the Athletic. He's got a

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Speaker 3: tome sized draft guide that he puts out every year,

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Speaker 3: and because it's about three hundred and fifty some odd pages,

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Speaker 3: he usually waits until early April. We were talking to

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Speaker 3: him earlier and saying, hey, not to put the pressure

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Speaker 3: on you, but when is he and he's like sometime

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Speaker 3: in April. Sometime in April, He's, like I joked with him.

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Speaker 3: He's like an accountant, you know, during tax season, trying

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Speaker 3: to get all these profiles into his draft guide before

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Speaker 3: the draft hits.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that thing is a book when you open

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Speaker 4: it up. The extensive research that he does to put

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Speaker 4: something like that together is incredible, amazing. I don't know

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Speaker 4: how somebody has that much time in the day. I

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Speaker 4: think he lives on like maybe like thirty hour days

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Speaker 3: And the poor guy, he and his wife, they have

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Speaker 3: four kids. So he's like, yeah, March doesn't exist for

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Speaker 3: he's like the tulips in April. You don't see him

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Speaker 3: and there he is. So we look forward to catching

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Speaker 3: up with Dane as we do every year here at

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Speaker 3: the NFL Combine and then final half hour of the show,

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Speaker 3: our good friend Charles Davis from the NFL on CBS

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Speaker 3: also does pre draft stuff on the NFL Network, So

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Speaker 3: we'll catch up with him and get his thoughts on

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Speaker 3: some players. I want to find out some of the

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Speaker 3: guys that he really liked at the Senior Bowl because

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Speaker 3: he covered that wall to wall for NFL Network back

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Speaker 3: in late January, and I know you wanted to get

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Speaker 3: some thoughts from him on the HBCU game, so we'll

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Speaker 3: ask him about prospects from that game as well for

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Speaker 3: us to keep an eye on for the Bill. So

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Speaker 3: that's kind of the rundown for today. But there are

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Speaker 3: some things happening with coaches, players, and actually the first

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Speaker 3: wave of players just came through this morning. I know

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Speaker 3: you were here bright and early, Maddie, trying to get

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Speaker 3: some comments from some of the defensive linemen, and we

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Speaker 3: got linebackers coming through.

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Speaker 4: Too, I think yep, bright eyed and bushytail at eight

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Speaker 4: in the morning talking to some of these prospects. We

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Speaker 4: been a defensive lineman who's been mocked to the Bills

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Speaker 4: I asked him about, hey, what do you know about

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Speaker 4: the Bills, Well, how would you like to join a

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Speaker 4: a defensive tackle out of Illinois who's also been a

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Speaker 4: he said that he's watched quite a bit at Oliver Film.

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Speaker 4: fun to hear from some of these players. A lot

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Speaker 3: He's kind of, I will say on rankings boards like

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Speaker 2: But man, that is a guy that just you watch.

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Speaker 2: Number One, we talked to Brandon Bean yesterday, Maddie.

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Speaker 3: We got zero clarity on Matt Mulano's prognosis, and I

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Speaker 2: So now I'm thinking, like, Bills may have a linebacker need.

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Speaker 2: And it's not a great linebacker class.

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Speaker 3: So does that mean if you feel it's a big

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say I would not knowing the Matt

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Speaker 4: earlier than Brandon Bean told us. I was thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 4: the Bills aren't going to address linebacker at some point

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Speaker 4: just because the right Yeah, yes, for sure. What do

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Speaker 3: My concern is this, when you're a team that is

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Speaker 2: Because you don't know.

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Speaker 3: When you're picking twenty eight, you have an idea of

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Speaker 3: But when you're picking twenty eight, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: And now suddenly the twenty seven teams you had in

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what makes the draft so fascinating because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot to discuss there, and we will

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Speaker 3: discuss it probably a lot between now in April twenty fifth,

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Speaker 3: because it is it's a fascinating thing and we know

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Speaker 3: the Bills, as Brandon told us yesterday here on this show,

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Speaker 3: he's got ten picks and he's really got a hit

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Speaker 3: on this draft because they need as many contributors from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know where you are now in the

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Speaker 3: quarterback market. You're at about fifty five million a year,

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Speaker 3: like that's going to be the average annual value. You know,

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Speaker 3: obviously you can change the guaranteed money and move that

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Speaker 3: kind of stuff around roster bonuses, signing bonuses, et cetera, incentives,

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Speaker 3: but they're going to have to pony up that money.

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Speaker 3: And I know we have NFL Networks Ian Rapaport on

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Speaker 3: our schedule to be a guest on the show tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: and that is one question I absolutely want him to ask,

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Speaker 3: because I want to ask him because fifty five million

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Speaker 3: a year for TUA structure it however the hell you want?

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Speaker 3: Can you still have enough money left to pay Christian

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Speaker 3: Wilkins and keep him too, because he's going to be

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Speaker 3: north to twenty million also, So that's a question we

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Speaker 3: got for Ian Rappaport. He'll be on the show tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: so we look forward to catching up with him.

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Speaker 2: Mock drafts galore.

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Speaker 3: And since we're not going to have you here with

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Speaker 3: us on Friday, Matty, I thought I would throw this

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Speaker 3: one out there too. Bucky Brooks from NF Com and

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Speaker 3: Move the Sticks podcast that he does with Daniel Jeremiah,

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Speaker 3: who we had on the show yesterday, put out his

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Speaker 3: mock draft two point zero, and much to the chagrin

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Speaker 3: of Bills fans, he has Brian Thomas coming off the

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Speaker 3: board at twenty six to Tampa Bay, which could very

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Speaker 3: well happen if the Bucks don't re sign Mike Evans

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Speaker 3: or bring him back in the fold in some capacity.

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Speaker 2: But Brooks had.

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Speaker 3: The Bills taking Keon Coleman, the Florida State receiver by

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Speaker 3: way of Michigan State. And look, there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of redeeming qualities about Keon Coleman. What bothers me is

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Speaker 3: I don't see him as a consistent separator. I think

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Speaker 3: he's a great jump ball receiver, can go up and

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Speaker 3: get it, can win contested balls, but not a consistent

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Speaker 3: separator and then doesn't have the home run speed after

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Speaker 3: the catch, like he's not gonna run away from people

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Speaker 3: in the open field. So look, Bills, get Keon Coleman.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be disappointed, but I'm looking for I

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Speaker 3: deal fit for the Bills and for me, that's not

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Speaker 3: Keon Coleman there at the bottom of the first round. Again,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be disappointed, especially if people like Brian Thomas and

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Speaker 3: I Mitchell are off the board. Well, then I'm fine

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Speaker 3: with it because he's kind of in that range. And Okay,

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Speaker 3: you couldn't get that guy, you couldn't get this guy.

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Speaker 3: Not a bad guy to settle up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's being lumped in the group of Brian Thomas,

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Speaker 4: and I would say Brian Thomas is kind of sticking

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Speaker 4: out in this group before ride receivers that are gonna

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Speaker 4: be available in the twenties, possibly unless Brian Thomas goes

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Speaker 4: in the late teens, but it's him. Kean Coleman, Troy Franklin,

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Speaker 4: and ad Mitchell are kind of in that next group

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Speaker 4: that you would take at the bottom of the first

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Speaker 4: round or maybe in the early twenties, depending on where

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Speaker 4: you're drafting and what your needs are. And with all

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Speaker 4: of those guys, they have the speed to separate. They

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Speaker 4: are consistent separators. Keon Coleman is not one of those players,

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Speaker 4: and I thought it was interesting, not that it's a

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Speaker 4: terrible thing, because he does have a lot of great tape,

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Speaker 4: but are the Bills looking for something like that? And

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Speaker 4: I thought Dane Brugler's comments about Keon Coleman were interesting

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Speaker 4: because he had Keon Coleman on his list of players

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Speaker 4: to watch at the NFL Combine and he said he's

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Speaker 4: not a consistent separator, but I don't think he needs

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Speaker 4: to be with the way that he plays the game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so good at the catch point, yes, and

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Speaker 3: can box out you know, using his basketball background, he

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Speaker 3: boxes out dbs to make the play on the ball.

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Speaker 3: But after the Bills have had Gabe Davis on this

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Speaker 3: roster the last four years, who's been kind of the

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Speaker 3: same type of player, uh, and knowing he's probably gonna

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Speaker 3: sign elsewhere for sizeable money in free agency, you wonder

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Speaker 3: do the Bills want to go down that same path

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Speaker 3: with the same kind of receiver or do they want

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Speaker 3: something different? Great, And that's what I wonder about. And

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Speaker 3: we probably won't know until April twenty fifth, or twenty sixth,

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Speaker 3: or maybe even the twenty seventh. So yeah, and again

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Speaker 3: that's what makes all this discussion so fascinating. And I

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Speaker 3: know the last time we did the mock draft watch

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Speaker 3: with you on Fred Show last week, it was grossly

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Speaker 3: lopsided in favor of wide receiver at twenty eight. Well,

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Speaker 3: here's another one to throw on the pile.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I think we tracked twenty two mock drafts

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Speaker 4: in mock draft watch two point zero and of the

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Speaker 4: twenty two we had nineteen wide receivers heading to the

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Speaker 4: bills at number twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were taught like we've never seen it, No,

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Speaker 3: that grossly lopsided.

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Speaker 2: But that's where we are.

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Speaker 3: And will it shift and change, yeah, maybe a little,

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Speaker 3: maybe a little, But I don't think Brandon said anything

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Speaker 3: here at the combine that would prompt mock drafters to

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Speaker 3: shift that like noticeably. I think we'll see some more

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Speaker 3: defensive line mocks in the coming weeks probably, so I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if it kind of evens out a

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Speaker 3: little bit more over the next several weeks.

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Speaker 2: Are you tracking that already? Is it kind of moving

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Speaker 2: a little bit?

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Speaker 4: I haven't tracked the latest ones because it seems like

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Speaker 4: they pause for the combine week. There's a few that

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Speaker 4: go out right before the combine, but then it stays

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Speaker 4: quiet until after the combine, after everybody's tested, after everybody's

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Speaker 4: ran those forties. I'm interested to see if Brian Thomas

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Speaker 4: shoots up the chart if he runs in four three range,

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Speaker 4: you know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And he's expected to because even for a six four

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Speaker 3: two ten guy.

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Speaker 2: He is freakish, And.

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Speaker 3: For that matter, I think ad Ni Mitchell also known

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Speaker 3: as A d Mitchell. He was known as A d

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Speaker 3: Mitchell at Georgia and then he goes to Texas and

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Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I'm good with ad Andy, And I

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Speaker 3: was like, man, you're you're going into the draft. I

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Speaker 3: don't think you want any name confusion with anybody. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure the scouts and the teams know who the heck

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Speaker 3: he is, but for for our listeners, like you're like,

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Speaker 3: who's a d Mitchell, Who's Adanai Mitchell? The same guy?

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Speaker 3: But he's gonna test through the roof too. Even if

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Speaker 3: you just look at his body type, he is so

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Speaker 3: thick through the bottom. He's got big muscular thighs, big calves,

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Speaker 3: even though he's.

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Speaker 2: Not wide framed up top.

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Speaker 3: And so that's why I think he's gonna, like on

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Speaker 3: the vertical leap, if he's not over thirty six inches,

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Speaker 3: I'll be stunned. I really think he's gonna test well too,

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Speaker 3: which unfortunately sometimes moves those guys up the board further.

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Speaker 3: And we had Daniel Jeremiah on the show yesterday and

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Speaker 3: he sees ad Ni Mitchell coming off the board somewhere

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Speaker 3: between twenty and thirty five, which is right in Buffalo's range,

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Speaker 3: and fortunately for the Bills, they're kind of closer to

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Speaker 3: the top or well right smack in the middle of

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Speaker 3: that range, so hopefully they're in position if they want

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Speaker 3: the receiver there that Mitchell's still on.

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Speaker 2: The board and they can get them.

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Speaker 3: Got to take a break here, but when we come back,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have our first draft Guru of the show.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 3: ESPN's Matt Miller will join us here live. We look

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Speaker 3: forward to catching up with him and getting his thoughts

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Speaker 3: on some of the more notable prospects that could be

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Speaker 3: good fits for the Bills. We'll catch up with Matt

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Speaker 3: next here on one Bills Live, presented by co Lot

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Speaker 3: of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome back

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Speaker 3: to the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 3: Matti Lab with you, and please to be joined now

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Speaker 3: by NFL draft analysts for ESPN one, Matt Miller, who's

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Speaker 3: making the rounds here. It's a busy week for him,

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Speaker 3: as you might imagine, but thanks for giving us some time, Matt,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Why don't we start big picture here, just

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Speaker 3: to begin and like if you had to put let's

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Speaker 3: just present. Let's pretend you're the editor of you know,

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Speaker 3: an old school newspaper and you got to put a

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Speaker 3: theme on this draft class this year. What would you

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Speaker 3: say is the biggest thing that we should take from

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Speaker 3: this group?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, offensive star power is the biggest thing. You know,

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Speaker 7: we're going to see a draft obviously you guys are

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Speaker 7: picking a little bit later in the first round, but

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Speaker 7: we're gonna see a draft that's dominated early by quarterbacks,

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Speaker 7: which you don't need one, you're pretty good there, right

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Speaker 7: wide receiver, which I think is something of interest to

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Speaker 7: Bill's fans, and then offensive tackle. I mean we we

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Speaker 7: could see five quarterbacks, six seven eight wide receivers, and

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Speaker 7: six seven eight offensive tackles drafted in the first round. Oh,

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Speaker 7: if you do some quick math, that's like twenty of

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Speaker 7: the thirty two picks. So it's really going to be

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Speaker 7: dominated by offense and by those blue chip positions.

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Speaker 4: So if you're a Bills fan, you're hoping those quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: kind of go move up the board, get taken maybe

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Speaker 4: before the Bills are on the clock at the number

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Speaker 4: twenty eight spot, and hoping some of those offensive tackles

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Speaker 4: get taken and the teens and the twenties there, so

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Speaker 4: that there's some wide receivers available for the Bills at

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Speaker 4: number twenty eight. It's been a popular position mock to

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Speaker 4: the Bill so far. But aside from wide receiver or

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Speaker 4: you can include wide receiver in this, I want your

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Speaker 4: take on any favorite prospects that you have for the

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Speaker 4: Bills at twenty eight and why.

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, yes, I will go wide receiver AD

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Speaker 7: nine Mitchell and I tweeted about this this week. At

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Speaker 7: nine Mitchell from Texas is a six foot four receiver

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Speaker 7: who I was talking to his trainers. They were hand

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Speaker 7: timing him, which can be atle differ than Electrin and

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Speaker 7: timing in the four to three five second range in

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Speaker 7: the forty yard dash, and that speed shows up on tape.

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Speaker 7: So when I think, and I'm one of the biggest

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Speaker 7: Josh Allen fans outside of Buffalo, New York, I think,

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Speaker 7: but when I think about Josh, I would love for

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Speaker 7: him to have that reliable, consistent deep threat, somebody that

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Speaker 7: can stretch the field because Josh has the strongest arm

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Speaker 7: in football, but also someone who can take some of

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Speaker 7: those slant routes and turn them into house calls. Somebody

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Speaker 7: can take the That's where the game is going. Like

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Speaker 7: everyone wants to play too deep. I want to wide

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Speaker 7: receiver who is going to hit that hitch and they

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Speaker 7: can make someone miss and has the speed to run away.

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Speaker 8: And that's who ad Ni Mitchell is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and for a guy who doesn't have a wide

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Speaker 3: you know, upper body frame, you know that kind of thing,

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Speaker 3: his lower leg I mean, his lower half is really muscular.

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Speaker 3: Like everybody's talking about, Oh, he's gonna jump out of

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Speaker 3: the gym on the vertical leap and kill it.

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Speaker 7: Like the former basketball background is there, I mean. And

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Speaker 7: my favorite thing about Mitchelle So he was at Georgia

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Speaker 7: and then transferred to Texas, so you've seen him play

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Speaker 7: against Alabama quite a bit. Because of that, every game

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Speaker 7: against Alabama kills the best game in his career. You know,

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Speaker 7: it's like, oh, you want to see best versus best, Well,

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Speaker 7: Alabama's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I got two corners that are going to go in

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Speaker 2: the first two days in the draft. So yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 3: As you mentioned seven offensive tackle, six corners, six quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: in your top fifty, how much can those in demand?

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Speaker 3: They're in demand positions. We know that their premium positions.

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Speaker 3: Maddy touched on it. How much can they push talent

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Speaker 3: down to Buffalo at twenty eight? We already kind of

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Speaker 3: examined receiver. But let's just say the value isn't there

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Speaker 3: at receiver when they're on the clock at twenty eight

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Speaker 3: and they got to shift to maybe defensive line where

656
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Speaker 3: they have.

657
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Speaker 2: Eight free agents.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what could get.

659
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Speaker 3: Pushed down to them conceivably maybe at edge or defensive interior.

660
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think edge is the one spot

661
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Speaker 7: where and you guys like Brandon bean Is gonna have

662
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 7: a campaign of Hey, JJ McCarthy and bow next are

663
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 7: pretty good quarterbacks. You know, if we did have Josh Allen,

664
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Speaker 7: we will be looking at those guys. You want to

665
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Speaker 7: push them up the board. So I do think edge rushers.

666
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Speaker 7: An interesting one this week will be UCLA pass rusher

667
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 7: Layat tou La too, who I think is the most

668
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 7: NFL ready of the pass rushers. But he's got the

669
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Speaker 7: neck injury that Formata medically retire when he was at Washington,

670
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 7: but has been healthy the last two years.

671
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Speaker 8: So you feel good about that. A player I fell

672
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 8: in love with.

673
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Speaker 7: And I should have known better because I'm a Missouri

674
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 7: guy at the Senior Bowl. Darius Robinson six ' five,

675
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 7: two hundred and ninety pounds. He can play on the edge,

676
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 7: he could play on the inside. He's just he could

677
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 7: do it all and he does it at a high level.

678
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Speaker 7: So you actually a lot of times we used to

679
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 7: call guys tweeners. So yeah, we don't really know where

680
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 7: to put him, and you lose a little bit of something.

681
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 7: With Robinson, you don't lose anything because he has the

682
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Speaker 7: speed and the power to play any spot.

683
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Speaker 8: Lead trade, elite, goes trades. He'll have a great week here.

684
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Speaker 7: But also, you know, not just someone who was just

685
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Speaker 7: the most athletic player on the line. Again, playing sec football,

686
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 7: you have to have technique. You have to know how

687
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Speaker 7: to use your hands, and he does that really well.

688
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Speaker 4: He also is a stand up guy who seems like

689
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: he could be a great leader on a team like

690
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: the Bills as well. It was really nice to hear

691
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Speaker 4: from him today when he was speaking on the podium.

692
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Speaker 4: In your latest mock draft, I know it was a

693
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Speaker 4: while ago, but you mocked the Bills a center at

694
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Speaker 4: number twenty eight and Jackson Powers Johnson. Mitch Morris is

695
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: getting up there in his career. You're talking about Missouri guys.

696
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: He's another one of those. He's getting up there in

697
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 4: his career, has one year left on his contract. I

698
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Speaker 4: believe Brownie. Why did you decide center there?

699
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

700
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 7: And I think with Jackson powers Johnson from Oregon the

701
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 7: nice things. He could play center or guards, you know,

702
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 7: extre undred thirty four pounds, which would be a big

703
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 7: change from Mitch as and would be one of the

704
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 7: biggest centers in the NFL. But he could come in

705
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 7: and play guard immediately and actually look at this offensive

706
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 7: line as good enough. But you always want to get

707
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Speaker 7: better on the offensive line, turn that into a strength,

708
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Speaker 7: especially with Joe Brady running offense. I think we saw

709
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 7: last year a lot more of the run game later

710
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 7: in the season. Obviously you're gonna get some of that

711
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 7: in the playoffs, but having that powerful, whether it be

712
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Speaker 7: a right guard or eventually a centaert or a place

713
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Speaker 7: Mitch Morse, I think that's just one of those book

714
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 7: in positions.

715
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Speaker 8: And the value is fantastic.

716
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Speaker 7: I have colleagues who think that JPJ could be a

717
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 7: top twenty pick. So here he is at this spot,

718
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 7: really really good value.

719
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Speaker 3: Defensive line depth, I know we already kind of covered

720
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Speaker 3: defensive line and the needs for the Bills. They play

721
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: a rotational system, so guys roll through all the time.

722
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Speaker 3: And with eight free agents out of the twelve players

723
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Speaker 3: that were on their roster last year, then I'd be

724
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: able to get enough free agents to fill all the holes. So,

725
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: knowing you need rookies to at least play a role

726
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: for you, and they're in the lineup and they're getting

727
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 3: forty percent of the snaps maybe on defense every week,

728
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Speaker 3: how long can you wait where you can still get

729
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Speaker 3: a guy that could do that for you in the draft.

730
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Speaker 7: I think it depends edge rusher. You're probably actually looking

731
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Speaker 7: at twenty eight edge rusher, a wide receiver, I think

732
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Speaker 7: defensive tackle. This is in a unique year that Byron

733
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 7: Murphy from Texas is probably going to go in the

734
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Speaker 7: top twenty, and then you have Jerison Newton. I actually

735
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 7: think it's a pretty good fit for the Bill's scheme.

736
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Speaker 7: He's a lot like at Oliver coming out of Illinois.

737
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Speaker 7: He could be there at twenty eight. After that, there's

738
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Speaker 7: a group of guys that are all kind of in

739
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Speaker 7: that like middle of round two, like Leonard Taylor from Miami.

740
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Speaker 7: So it's like, Okay, they're guys here. McKinley Jackson from

741
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 7: Texas and m is another one where it's like, gosh,

742
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Speaker 7: I don't feel great about them as a top fifty pick,

743
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Speaker 7: So maybe later.

744
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Speaker 8: Round two is where they the Bill's pick.

745
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 7: Great news for the Bills that second tier defensive tackles

746
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 7: isn't coming off the board early round too, It's more

747
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 7: likely late round two.

748
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Speaker 2: Awesome, that's the best news we've heard.

749
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Speaker 4: Okay, good check that box. The Chiefs are a team who,

750
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: over the last couple of seasons have had to get

751
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: a lot younger through the draft and then play those

752
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: young draft picks because you have a quarterback and Patrick

753
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 4: Mahomes who demands money and his contract reflects that. Josh

754
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: Allen is starting to get to that part of his contract.

755
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: Knowing where the Bills are at with that as well

756
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 4: as their cap number, you're paying other guys like von

757
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: Miller and Stefan Diggs. What can the Bills learn from

758
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: a Chiefs team who have had to do that in

759
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. The Bills may have to do.

760
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Speaker 1: That, I think.

761
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Speaker 4: Well.

762
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Speaker 7: One thing the Chiefs did really well was identify what

763
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Speaker 7: types of players their coaches wanted. You know, okay, we

764
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 7: have Steve Spagnolo, Let's get guys who fit what he wants.

765
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Speaker 7: You know, they went with long, athletic players on the

766
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Speaker 7: defensive line. In the secondary. They wanted guys who were fast,

767
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 7: but also guys who are really smart and played a

768
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 7: lot of different positions in college so that they were

769
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 7: able to step right and not just you know, a

770
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 7: Trent mc duffie who's a first round pick, but in

771
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 7: know to find a lugarious need to find a Jalen Watson.

772
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Speaker 7: So I think that's the lesson is, you know, getting

773
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Speaker 7: that continuity and your coaching staff to where you can say, okay,

774
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 7: what kind of guys does Joe Brady want? You know,

775
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 7: what kind of players do we want on defense for

776
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 7: this scheme you mentioned no, you're gonna have a wave

777
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 7: of pass rushers. What does that profile look like? You know,

778
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 7: is there a link that you want? Is there are

779
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 7: certain three cone time that you want? And then building

780
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Speaker 7: it out that way. I think that's one of the

781
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 7: undertold stories of how wal Kansas City is days. They're

782
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 7: drafting guys that just fit their schemes.

783
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Speaker 3: So well, we have a guy that stepped into the

784
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: lineup this year to take over for Tremaine Edmonds had

785
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: a fantastic season into Rel Bernard, a former third round pick.

786
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: Linebacker isn't a major need for Buffalo, but Tyrell Dodson's

787
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: a free agent, Tyler Matted Cabridge, their special teams Ace

788
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: is a free agent, So they've got guys that are

789
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 3: coming off the roster and Matt Mulano. Brandon Bean was

790
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: telling us yesterday, well, by the time the pads are

791
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: back on, that's probably when.

792
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Speaker 2: We're gonna see him.

793
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: So we're not talking until training camp at the earliest

794
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: that we're gonna see Milana coming back from that leg

795
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: injury that he suffered last season in Week five in London.

796
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: So linebacker is kind of a sneaky need that's sitting there,

797
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: but not something that they necessarily want to address early.

798
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: I know it's not a great linebacker class off the ball,

799
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: but is there anybody sitting there, you know, early day

800
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: three that may merit some consideration to at least play

801
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: a backup role special teams kind of roll for the

802
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: Bills at lineback.

803
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 8: I look at someone like Jalen Ford coming out of Texas.

804
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 7: You mentioned Matt Milano I think Matt is one of

805
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 7: the best coverage linebackers in the NFL. Jalen Ford had

806
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 7: six interceptions last year in Texas and is someone that

807
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 7: can drop into coverage, can control that middle of the field.

808
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 7: He's got really good arm link to take away some

809
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 7: thos passing windows. Now he's available in the fourth round

810
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 7: because I think he'd be a touch slow processing, especially

811
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 7: in the run game. Okay, but the coverage ability stands out,

812
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 7: and so I think day three that's what I'm always

813
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 7: looking for. What is your standout trade, What is something

814
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 7: that we can build on as a player. Treel Bernard

815
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 7: certainly had that, So I think Ford in round four.

816
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 7: Maybe he comes up a little earlier. But as you

817
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 7: were saying, it's not a good linebacker class, we're not

818
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 7: going to see a first round pick.

819
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 8: I don't believe.

820
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Speaker 7: We're probably going to see two, maybe in the top fifty,

821
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 7: and then it's you know, we're waiting for those tiers

822
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 7: to come off.

823
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: Let's go back to last year's draft. The Bills drafted

824
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: Dalton Kincaid with their first pick that they had in

825
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 4: the first round, and then they also drafted Ocyrus Torrents

826
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: out of Florida. Both of those guys drafted earlier on

827
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: and they played quite a bit of time starting Osyrus

828
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: Torrence definitely played every single snap last season. What did

829
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 4: you think of their play how they were kind of,

830
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 4: you know, put out there from the beginning, but also

831
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 4: did a great job with their first season in the NFL.

832
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Speaker 7: Towrence was one of my favorite players in the draft

833
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 7: last year just because of the physicality that he played with.

834
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Speaker 7: I mean, he he played with an attitude i'll say,

835
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 7: every snap and it showed up. And I think that

836
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 7: carried over to his readiness in the NFL coming out

837
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 7: of that billion Napier run system to where he was

838
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 7: able to step in and contribute right away. Dalton kincaid,

839
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 7: you know, we're gonna have a conversation about positional value

840
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 7: at the tight end spot, but I think what he

841
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 7: can do in conjunction with Dawson Knox, He's going to

842
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 7: play a lot in a slot. He's going to be

843
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 7: a past game weapon more than a traditional tight end.

844
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Speaker 7: So I thought both guys, you know, did great. Dalton

845
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 7: is something that's going to have a really, really bright future.

846
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 7: We see how many great young tight ends are in

847
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 7: the NFL. And he's I think at the top of

848
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 7: that list, or could very well be at the top

849
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 7: of the list. He and samuela Porta are the guys

850
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 7: who kind of take over that position as we see

851
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 7: the Travis Kelsey's and George Kittle start to you know,

852
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 7: get to the maybe the tail end of their.

853
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Speaker 3: Day three depth. Second question, because I already asked you

854
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: about linebacker. Safety is a position that's kind of in

855
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: a state of flux here for the Bills for the

856
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: first time in a long time. Michah Hyde probably contemplating retirement,

857
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: Jordan Poyer's got a fat cap number. We don't know

858
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: how that's gonna play out. And then even some of

859
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: their depth players at safety are free agents. Cam lewis

860
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 3: among them. So maybe walk me through maybe some Day

861
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: three value at safety.

862
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 2: Again.

863
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Speaker 3: I know it's not a safety class where you're looking

864
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Speaker 3: for frontline people. I expect the Bills to fill the

865
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: holes in free agency for safety, but just guys you

866
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: can have on your depth chart that can again play

867
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Speaker 3: on teams at the safety spot.

868
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Speaker 7: The nice thing for Bills fans about the safety position

869
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 7: this year is that none are going to be drafted early.

870
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Speaker 7: You know, we could actually go through the first two

871
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Speaker 7: rounds without a safety drafted, so that town's gonna get

872
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Speaker 7: pushed down. So guys like Tyler Nubman from Minnesota, cam

873
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 7: Kinchins from Miami. You're looking at them and thinking, hey,

874
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 7: these guys are gonna be top fifty picks. They might

875
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 7: be round three picks, and that's gonna push down a

876
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 7: Javon Bullard from George. It's gonna push down at James

877
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 7: Williams from Miami to where you're looking at, you know,

878
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 7: sitting there and around four, like, gosh, there's something two

879
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 7: safeties drafted so far, so you might actually have the

880
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 7: pick of the litter. One of my favorites is Caleb

881
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 7: Bullet from usc who is a great ballhawk, just not

882
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 7: a good tackler. And it's not that he doesn't want

883
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 7: to tackle. I just don't know literally his time how yet.

884
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 7: So if he can get that figured out, he could

885
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 7: be a starting NFL safety who does have some of

886
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 7: that Micah Hyde ballhawk mentality.

887
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he runs down people in the open field too.

888
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: I saw like a bunch of tackles he made you

889
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: think the guy's gone for a touchdown and he runs

890
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: them down. I was impressed by that. I'm very curious

891
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: to see how he times. Matt, thanks for all the insight.

892
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 3: We appreciate it, of course, kind of paint the picture

893
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: for us, especially on day two and day three.

894
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: You hear all the day one stuff. Thanks for like

895
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: knowing the whole class.

896
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 8: That's the fun part.

897
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and the most unpredictable part too, to

898
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: a certain extent. I appreciate the time as always. That's

899
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: ESPN NFL Draft analyst Matt Miller joining us. Will take

900
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: a break, be back with more here on One Bill's Live,

901
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 3: presented by Colid of Health.

902
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

903
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live here at

904
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. We're here all week covering

905
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: the movers and shakers, and very soon the testers as well.

906
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: Defensive linemen and linebackers will begin testing tomorrow. All right,

907
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks started rolling in today. They'll start their interviews with

908
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 3: teams tonight and then meet the media here tomorrow, and

909
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 3: then they'll test on Friday, along with wide receivers. So

910
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: that oh no, the wide receivers test on Saturday. I

911
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: think that's what it is. They always save the receivers

912
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: for the weekend. They know more people are at home

913
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: and they might watch those guys run the forty.

914
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: That's why they always save the receivers for Saturday.

915
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: And then the receivers network executives, they know what they're

916
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 4: doing exactly, and then they talk to media on Friday

917
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: right over here past the curtain that we're kind of around.

918
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: So receivers and quarterbacks, I believe, talk Friday. Offensive linemen

919
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 4: and running backs talk on Saturday. Tomorrow. We will hear

920
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 4: from safeties and cornerbacks, yep.

921
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: So look forward to those because, as we were just

922
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: talking with mister Miller here, the Bills are going to

923
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: be in the market for some safety reinforcements, probably later

924
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: in the draft, but him telling us, hey, you know,

925
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: some of the best ones may not even come off

926
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: the board until late day two, So that's an encouraging thing.

927
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: So if you're picking.

928
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: Down at ninety nine in round three, which is kind

929
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 3: of where the Bills are expected to be, you're going

930
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: to have maybe a situation where you have a safety

931
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 3: prospect who might be too good to pass up depending

932
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: on the value on the Bills board. So be interesting

933
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: to see what's still available by the time the Bills

934
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: are on the clock in Round three at the end

935
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: of Day two, and do they go safety or did

936
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: they just decide to go to another position where they

937
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: still have a few holes. I'm really wondering, like how

938
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: many holes are still going to be left on the

939
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: defensive line, because Maddie, with eight free agents, I just

940
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: don't see a way where they're gonna be able to

941
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: sign enough defensive lineman that they can afford and not

942
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: have still a hole or two, or three or maybe

943
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: four still on the defensive line when they get to

944
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: the draft.

945
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna think they're gonna have to address in

946
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: free agency and in the draft, And it would make

947
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: sense for the Bills to draft a safety later in

948
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 4: the draft, especially if some of those guys will be

949
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: available later on. You would it makes sense to also

950
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: address that position in free agency and then decide to

951
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 4: draft somebody that maybe can learn under a couple of

952
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: starters like Jordan Poyer. Not sure what will happen with

953
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: Micah Hyde. He's set to become a free agent. Does

954
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 4: he come back to Buffalo for one more year? That

955
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: will remain to be seen. But I like the idea

956
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 4: of getting some veteran safeties in this building and then

957
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 4: if it's there for you later on drafting guy that

958
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: you believe you can develop.

959
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the market, as we said the other day,

960
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: free agent market for safeties is flush with starting caliber talent.

961
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: And the hope I think for the Bills is with

962
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: so many starting, starting caliber safeties in the free agent market,

963
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: I think the hope is that the supply outweighs the

964
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: demand and you can get a good value on the

965
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: free agent marketing. Because as we talked to Brandon Bean yesterday,

966
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: he pretty much confirmed it, and I think we all

967
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: kind of knew this already that with the Buffalo cap

968
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: situation where it is, even when they get out from

969
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 3: under the cap, as you heard Brandon Bean lay out,

970
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: you got to lay out fifteen million dollars for your

971
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: draft class, more another few million for your practice squad,

972
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 3: and then he always likes to have four to five

973
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: million in reserve at the start of the season, So

974
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: if you get hit with a rash of injuries, you

975
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 3: can pick up a couple of free agents to fill

976
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: the holes that injury left behind. And we know what

977
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 3: injury did to this team last year, so you want

978
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: to at least have the financial wherewithal to address holes

979
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 3: in your roster of injury strikes of the long term variety,

980
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: which we saw to three different starting positions Dei Kwon, Jones,

981
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: Matt Milano, Tradevius White. You don't have any money to

982
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: spend in September, you could be up a creek.

983
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: And this is already gonna be a young roster to

984
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: begin with.

985
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 4: We're anticipating and they saw that with the safety market

986
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: last year. They saw a super saturated market. So a

987
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 4: player like Jordan Poyer who maybe wanted to go see

988
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: what he was worth on the open market. Maybe he

989
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 4: didn't get the number that he wanted, so that's why

990
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 4: he comes back to the Bill.

991
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: He didn't expect him to come back.

992
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 4: We didn't expect him to come back for sure, but

993
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 4: yet he was a part of this roster. Is under

994
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: contract still for next season. A couple names. Not sure

995
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: if the Bills will go after these two guys because

996
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 4: they probably be worth quite a bit of money. Buddha Baker,

997
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: Eddie Jackson, Mike Hyde is next on that list. Tracy Walker,

998
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: Chauncey Gardner, Johnson, Jordan Whitehead, Chuck Clark, Jarren Kurse, just

999
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: a couple of names that are safety free agents that

1000
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: will be available on the market.

1001
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 2: Whitehead might be an affordable option.

1002
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: I don't anticipate him being a guy that's gonna be

1003
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: in the first wave of free agency like Xavier McKinney.

1004
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: That guy's gonna get bookoo bucks. He's gonna be like

1005
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: the Jesse Bates of last year. Jesse Bates got giant

1006
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: money from the Saints last year in free agency, and

1007
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: then that was really it. Some other guys signed some

1008
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: nice deals, but I still don't think they got the

1009
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: kind of money they thought they would get. And players

1010
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: probably in that group too, which was the main reason

1011
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: the Bills were able to get him back on what

1012
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: they deemed an affordable contract. Now the irony of that

1013
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: is his contract might not be deemed affordable anymore with

1014
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: the cap figure it currently has for the Bills at

1015
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: eight million dollars. I don't know if they feel whether

1016
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: they can stomach that contract. So maybe they talked to

1017
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: him and they rework it, or Jordan might just say,

1018
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm just gonna try my luck in

1019
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: free agency. I don't want to take a pay cut

1020
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: or what have you, and then he's into the market.

1021
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: But I think him and his agent might look at

1022
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: them gonna be like, huh, I don't know if I'm

1023
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: gonna do better than this number that the Bills are

1024
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: giving me to stay on the roster. Maybe I should

1025
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: just stay put. So the free agent landscape at safety

1026
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: is very intriguing this offseason because of the supply that

1027
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: is out there right now and because of the decision

1028
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: that they may have to make on Jordan Poyer depending

1029
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: on how successful they are getting in cap compliance, you know,

1030
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 3: before the start of the league here on March thirteenth.

1031
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: That's the real fly in the ointment run.

1032
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: And let's live in a world for a couple of

1033
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 4: seconds here where what if Micah Hyde decides to go elsewhere,

1034
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 4: or maybe he decides to put up his cleat say

1035
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: I'm retiring. I've had a great NFL career. I'm ready

1036
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: to move on to being a dad to my wonderful

1037
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: kids and wife. And Jordan Poyer also, maybe they can't

1038
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 4: make it work. Maybe he wants to go see what

1039
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: he's worth on an open market. Then you really have

1040
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: to think, how do we want to rebuild from this position.

1041
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 4: You have a dynam a mcduo and Jordan Poyer and

1042
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: Micah Hyde, who are one of the best safety tandems

1043
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: in the NFL and have been for seven years since

1044
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: they came into the building in twenty seventeen. I mean,

1045
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: that takes a lot of a lot of thought, a

1046
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 4: lot of planning into Okay, how do you want to

1047
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: attack a position like that. I really hope at that

1048
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 4: one of them is still on the roster next year,

1049
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: because it's hard for me to stomach starting over at

1050
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: that position.

1051
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know, as we know in this league,

1052
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: longevity is a fleeting thing. And even Brandon said it

1053
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: when he was here with us yesterday. To see a

1054
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: safety tandem last for seven seasons on one team, that

1055
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: is an anomaly, not the norm, yep. And I think unfortunately,

1056
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 3: all good things have to come to an end, and

1057
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: it has been a great run for those two as

1058
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: a tandem on this roster. They've been cornerstone players in

1059
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: the McDermott era. But I have a sinking feeling that

1060
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: they're going to have to turn the page there and

1061
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: they're going to have to find a.

1062
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: Free agent veteran player.

1063
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 3: Or two potentially to put in those starting roles going

1064
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: forward and then backfill with draft choices and stuff like that.

1065
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: That is a position that I think is going to

1066
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 3: see more turnover than I think we're all anticipating right now,

1067
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: and it's going to be a priority for them. That

1068
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: sits right underneath addressing the defensive line and maybe addressing

1069
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: that number two wide receiver spot if Gabe Davis goes

1070
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: elsewhere in free agency, which I think some I think

1071
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 3: most of us are anticipating, because I think somebody will

1072
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: pay Gabe Davis on the open market, and it's just

1073
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: not a position they can afford to throw out giant money.

1074
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: They need cheap labor there. That's going to have to

1075
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 3: be in the draft most likely. Where in the draft

1076
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: is the eighty four million dollar question. We got to

1077
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 3: take a break here because we are at the top

1078
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: of the hour.

1079
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Speaker 2: But guess what.

1080
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: Guess who's joining us in the beginning of the second hour.

1081
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: It's rue number two from the athletic Dane Brugler. You

1082
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: know his draft guide every year. It's called The Beast

1083
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: for a reason. It's over three hundred and fifty pages.

1084
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: We catch up with.

1085
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: Dane next here on one Bill's Live, presented by Colia Health.

1086
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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's read.

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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back hour number two of One Bill's Live here

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Speaker 3: at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Chris Brown Matti lab

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Speaker 3: with you and please to be joined now by the

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Speaker 3: lead draft analyst for the Athletic. It is Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 3: who will have his gigantic tome of a draft guide

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Speaker 3: out somewhere before the draft. We know it is a

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Speaker 3: heavy lift quite literally for you. I never printed out

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Speaker 3: I downloaded because it's just too many dang pages. But

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Speaker 3: the beast will be out eventually this spring, so keep

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Speaker 3: an eye out for it at the Athletic dot com.

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Speaker 2: Dang.

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Speaker 3: Good to have you as always, thanks for coming back

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Speaker 3: and joining us. Of course, everybody has their favorites in

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Speaker 3: the draft in terms of prospects. So do you have

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Speaker 3: a player that you are completely and utterly in love

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Speaker 3: with out of this year's draft class?

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Speaker 2: And if so, why oh man?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's hard to keep the lists short because there

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Speaker 9: are really a lot of players.

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Speaker 3: You can give us two or three if you want.

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Speaker 3: But like guys that you're over the moon about that

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Speaker 3: sure fire.

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Speaker 9: League neighbors lsu Okay, I think he's in my opinion,

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Speaker 9: you cannot name the best three players in this draft

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Speaker 9: without mentioning Milake Neighbors.

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Speaker 10: You can't do it. You have to. You have to

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Speaker 10: include him in there.

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Speaker 9: He is that good and he's really one of these

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Speaker 9: first receivers that I remember watching and saying, that's where

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Speaker 9: the seven on seven is seven on Seven's becomes such

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Speaker 9: a big part of how these guys develop, and you

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Speaker 9: see it with Milak Neighbors. The way he gets open,

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Speaker 9: how he creates after the catch, the acceleration he plays

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Speaker 9: with is tremendous. And he's twenty years old. He doesn't

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Speaker 9: turn twenty one till the summer. He doesn't know what

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Speaker 9: he doesn't know yet, and he's still this productive. Led

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Speaker 9: the SEC in receiving each of the last two years.

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Speaker 9: This past year had thirty four receptions of twenty plus yards.

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Speaker 9: I'm a big believer in explosive plays translating, and nobody

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Speaker 9: had more explosive plays this year than Milik Neighbors. So

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Speaker 9: if I'm a team that needs a receiver in the

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Speaker 9: top five, it's gonna be awfully tough to pass on Neighbors.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, Bills fans, He's not gonna be a face.

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Speaker 10: At number twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: I know we want explosive plays on this offense more

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Speaker 4: than they had last year. But you add two wide

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Speaker 4: receivers on your list of players to watch at the combine,

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Speaker 4: Keon Coleman and Roman Wilson. Why were those guys on

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Speaker 4: your list?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 9: With Keon Coleman, you know he is you could make

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Speaker 9: the argument, no one's better at the catch point.

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Speaker 10: He is so dominant when the ball is in the air.

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Speaker 9: You see the basketball background playing for Coachizo at Michigan State,

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Speaker 9: and you know he has that in him.

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Speaker 10: Can he does? He have the short area of quickness to.

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Speaker 9: Separate what is his long speed and we have a

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Speaker 9: good sense of what that is on tape, but just

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Speaker 9: putting the numbers the data next to it, what does

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Speaker 9: that look like for him? You know there's some teams

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Speaker 9: are higher on him than others. Some teams are out

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Speaker 9: on you know, just because he has a certain type

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Speaker 9: of receiver.

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Speaker 10: But he's an interesting.

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Speaker 9: Fit for like this team, specifically with Buffalo as being

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Speaker 9: that number two guy who he don't he doesn't need it.

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Speaker 9: He doesn't create a ton of space, but he doesn't

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Speaker 9: need a ton of space. And we know, Josh Allen's

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Speaker 9: not shy. Small windows are not going to deter him.

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Speaker 9: He will fire it in there. And a guy like

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Speaker 9: Keon Coleman that has this humun catch radius could really

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Speaker 9: pay dividends.

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Speaker 4: And what's interesting about Roman Wilson too, Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 9: More excited just to see him move because he's one

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Speaker 9: of the best athletes in the draft, big time track guy,

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Speaker 9: come out of Hawaii, and you know, he creates separation

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Speaker 9: because he understands how to run routes. But also just

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Speaker 9: he's a dang good athlete, and so that's more just

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Speaker 9: I get excited to watch really good athletes and he's

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Speaker 9: one of them this week. And you know, he's in

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Speaker 9: my top one hundred. He was like forty five, forty six,

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Speaker 9: So he's right there in that early to mid second

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Speaker 9: round range in my opinion. And I mean, heck, if

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Speaker 9: a team really likes him, wouldn't be a complete shock

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Speaker 9: and be stuck in that first.

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Speaker 2: Round Slot only or can he go outside you think best?

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Speaker 9: And I think there's a difference between slot only and

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Speaker 9: best in the slot. He's best in the slot. You

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Speaker 9: could line him up outside. I think he has the

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Speaker 9: quickness to be you know the release quickness where he

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Speaker 9: can get on the outside and do some things. But

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Speaker 9: to totally maximize what he does, I think he's best.

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Speaker 3: In the slot flipping it over the defensive side of

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Speaker 3: the ball. We just saw Johnny Newton. He prefers to

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Speaker 3: be called Johnny now drews On is his given name,

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Speaker 3: but Johnny Newton, deive tackle, Illinois could be in the

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Speaker 3: range for Buffalo at twenty eight. And they have a

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Speaker 3: lot of free agents at the defensive tackle position, not

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Speaker 3: bringing them all back.

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Speaker 2: What is most attractive about him?

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Speaker 9: So many things, but I think that the one thing

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Speaker 9: that was my main takeaway was it's fourth quarter. It's

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Speaker 9: five minutes left in the game, and you would think

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Speaker 9: that it's the first quarters, first player of the game,

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Speaker 9: because he is still he's playing sixty plus snaps a game.

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Speaker 10: But the energy doesn't go away. Hustle, oh yeah, and it's.

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Speaker 2: That is not always easy to find at that position.

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Speaker 9: At that size, right, and so his ability to sustain

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Speaker 9: that hustle. That's one thing when you watch a guy's

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Speaker 9: fifteen best plays and you say, oh, this guy's relentless, okay,

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Speaker 9: but what about when you ask him to do it

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Speaker 9: over fifty plays a game, sixty plays a game. I

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Speaker 9: think that that really separates Johnny unfortunately not able to

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Speaker 9: work out here. I broke that news last week, how

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Speaker 9: the foot injury had he had and actually played with

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Speaker 9: it the second half of his year. He told me

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Speaker 9: that it was right before the Wisconsin game, start to

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Speaker 9: feel a soreness in his foot and didn't have it

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Speaker 9: checked out or anything, but then started working out in January,

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Speaker 9: and his representations like, all right, let's we need to

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Speaker 9: get this check out, just make sure. And turns out

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Speaker 9: as a partial fracture, the Jones fracture. So they're hoping

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Speaker 9: in April still be able to get a pro day,

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Speaker 9: still get a chance to work out for teams.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, he is.

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Speaker 9: I don't think he's you know, you see him in

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Speaker 9: top ten, top fifteen. I don't think he's nestily gonna

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Speaker 9: be drafted that high. But somewhere in that ten to

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Speaker 9: thirty five range is where we're probably gonna see him

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Speaker 9: come off the board. And so yeah, Bills certainly in

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Speaker 9: that conversation.

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Speaker 4: He was asked about that injury when the media talked

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Speaker 4: to him a little bit ago, and he joked around

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Speaker 4: and said I'm really good at keeping secrets. You guys

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Speaker 4: didn't really know anything. Let's go back to that list

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Speaker 4: of players to watch at the Combine and stay with

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Speaker 4: defensive line. Chris Jenkins and Chop Robinson were also on

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Speaker 4: that list. Chop Robinson is the name that's been mocked

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Speaker 4: to the Bills already at number twenty eight as well.

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Speaker 4: What do you like about those two defensive linemen and

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Speaker 4: maybe how they could fit in Buffalo as well.

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Speaker 9: Chris Jenkins obviously he's got the lines, you know, but

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Speaker 9: he's built differently than his dad was. His dad was

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Speaker 9: three hundred and sixty pounds. Chris Jenkins is gonna be

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Speaker 9: probably under three hundred pounds here, but he's gonna test

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Speaker 9: really well. His twitch is really impressive, the way he moves.

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Speaker 9: The stats aren't gonna blow you away in terms of

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Speaker 9: sacks and pressures and backfield production, but with what they

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Speaker 9: asked him to do in that Michigan defense, he was

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Speaker 9: really good in terms of stopping the run.

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Speaker 10: He can stack, he can shed make a lot of plays.

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Speaker 10: So you're betting on the traits.

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Speaker 9: You're betting on, you know, his ability to translate to

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Speaker 9: whatever scheme you have. He has some versatility to him.

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Speaker 9: He's I think somewhere on day two. I think first

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Speaker 9: round is probably a little rich for him. But late

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Speaker 9: round two, early round three, I think is kind of

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Speaker 9: where he's gonna go. I'm sorry, who's the other top job?

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Speaker 9: He's another guy I can't wait to see because I

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Speaker 9: just that first step is electric. The pass rushers in

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Speaker 9: this draft, we don't have that Miles Garrett or the

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Speaker 9: Bosas that year, but we have a really, you know

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Speaker 9: a handful of pretty good pass rushers in the first round.

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Speaker 9: I think that separates Chop is he has that one

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Speaker 9: trait that's hard to find, and that's that first step burst.

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Speaker 10: It's electric.

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Speaker 9: Michigan changed their entire game plan when they played Penn

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Speaker 9: State because they knew their right tackle couldn't block Jop Robinson.

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Speaker 9: So they ran the ball the entire game. And you

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Speaker 9: know a lot of people, Oh, they didn't trust JJ McCarthy. No,

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Speaker 9: they couldn't block Chop Robinson. That's why they ran the football.

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Speaker 9: So you know there, he's not a complete player, per se.

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Speaker 9: I can't remember how many tackles he had this year,

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Speaker 9: but it was under twenty five.

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Speaker 10: It was low.

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Speaker 9: You know, some of the run defense stuff he needs

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Speaker 9: to improve upon. But again, when you find a guy

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Speaker 9: that has that one rare trait, it becomes something that

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Speaker 9: you can really fall in love with.

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Speaker 10: And with Chop, it's that first step burst.

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Speaker 9: So I'm eager to see that ten yard split and

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Speaker 9: the probably forty plus vert eleven plus in the broad

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Speaker 9: that the numbers that really showed the explosive.

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Speaker 3: This one guy that does set the edge is Darius

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Speaker 3: Robinson from her school in Missouri. The I mean beast

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Speaker 3: of a player body type wise, he kind of looks

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Speaker 3: like Jadavian Clowney. Now he's not clowning, but you know,

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Speaker 3: in terms of pure elite athletic traits, but he's no slouch,

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Speaker 3: and I was interested in seeing how they used him

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Speaker 3: kind of up and down the line at times. What's

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Speaker 3: your thumbnail sketch of him?

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Speaker 9: Well, in the past, he was more of an interior

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Speaker 9: player because he was too ninety, I mean he was

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Speaker 9: he looked like more of an interior guy. He comes

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Speaker 9: back for his final year and they move him outside

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Speaker 9: and all of a sudden, Kirby Smart's saying, hey, we

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Speaker 9: got to block this guy like he just he blew up.

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Speaker 9: And he was always the first guy off the bus, right.

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Speaker 9: He always looked the part. This year he played the part,

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Speaker 9: and that that's really encouraging. It's also encouraging how he

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Speaker 9: goes to the Senior Bowl and he dominated, so he

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Speaker 9: continued that momentum and then we'll see if he can

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Speaker 9: continue that momentum here. But it's hard to find guys

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Speaker 9: that look like that because the NFL they want guys

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Speaker 9: that are bigger.

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Speaker 10: Faster, stronger. They do.

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Speaker 9: That's just they want guys with speed that have size.

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Speaker 9: And so even if the college profile isn't, you know, perfect,

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Speaker 9: exactly what you're looking for, they're always going to bet

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Speaker 9: on traits, and Darius Robinson has those traits, which is

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Speaker 9: why I'll be pretty surprised if he doesn't go.

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Speaker 10: Thursday night, that first night of the draft, he was.

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Speaker 4: Saying, you know, I thought about coming out to get

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Speaker 4: drafted early my junior season, but I decided to stay

1302
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Speaker 4: one more year. And I thought that was really cool

1303
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 4: to hear of a guy to, hey, I want to

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Speaker 4: do one more year to really make sure I am

1305
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Speaker 4: NFL Ready. If you look at your top one hundred list,

1306
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Speaker 4: there are seventeen wide receivers on it. Quite a big number.

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Speaker 4: What do you like most about this group?

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Speaker 9: I'm convinced until the end of time, receiver is going

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Speaker 9: to be a strong position every year. It's just that's

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Speaker 9: we're all the top athlet If you're not a good

1311
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Speaker 9: enough quarterback, but you're a good athlete, you're going to

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Speaker 9: receiver in high school, in youth football, seven on seven,

1313
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 9: all those things. So I'm convinced receiver is just going

1314
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Speaker 9: to be a strength moving forward. And there's a lot

1315
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Speaker 9: of names, and so you have to pick through them

1316
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Speaker 9: and say, Okay, what do we really prioritize at the position?

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Speaker 9: Is it just pure skill? Is it pure size? Is

1318
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Speaker 9: it speed? The best route runners, the best the guys

1319
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Speaker 9: that are best at the catch point.

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Speaker 10: So everyone's order is going to look a little bit different.

1321
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Speaker 9: And you figure once you get to the second, third round,

1322
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Speaker 9: you're sacrificing on something. So like I got like Roman Wilson,

1323
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Speaker 9: you're sacrificing size for a guy that's speedy and you

1324
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 9: knows a good route runner catches the ball well, another

1325
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Speaker 9: guy that maybe has size, you're sacrificing speed. So every

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Speaker 9: one of these guys you're gonna be able to poke

1327
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Speaker 9: holes in. Outside of Marvin Harrison Junior and Milik Nighbors,

1328
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Speaker 9: Roe Madonze. Maybe I put Brian Thomas in there as well.

1329
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Speaker 9: I think Brian Thomas is gonna be a top fifteen pick.

1330
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Speaker 9: He might run four to three here at six four

1331
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Speaker 9: two ten. He's a freak. But these other receivers, the

1332
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Speaker 9: second third tier of receivers this year, a lot of

1333
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 9: really talented players, and I love how there's a just

1334
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Speaker 9: a jumbled mix of these guys with what they offer.

1335
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Speaker 9: You know, Malachi Corley is very different in what he

1336
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 9: offers compared to ad Ni Mitchell from Texas or Ricky

1337
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 9: Pearsol from Florida.

1338
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Speaker 10: All these guys are good.

1339
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 9: They project as maybe not Day one starters, but guys

1340
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Speaker 9: are gonna be impact.

1341
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 10: Players for you.

1342
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Speaker 9: You know, they're gonna be top three to four on

1343
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 9: your wide receiver depth chart and you're gonna look for

1344
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 9: them to make an impact early. So just the diversity

1345
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 9: of different types of receivers in this drafts really.

1346
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: I know.

1347
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 3: I asked you right at the top about you know

1348
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 3: some of your favorite players in the draft.

1349
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: I have mine.

1350
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Speaker 3: It's Edger and Cooper, Okay, the linebacker from A and M. Like,

1351
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 3: I know, you guys watch a boatload more tape than

1352
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 3: I do. But you know, you go through people and

1353
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, let's go to the next one. Okay,

1354
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 3: let's go to the next one. This guy makes you

1355
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 3: sit up in your seat when you watch his tape.

1356
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 10: He is at South Carolina tape.

1357
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Speaker 3: He is electric, like I don't know what it is,

1358
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 3: but like popping his pads, bringing the wood triggering, you know,

1359
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: and coming downhill like he stands out. My question for

1360
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 3: you about him, though, is from what we understand the

1361
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Speaker 3: edge rushing class, kind of somewhere in this you know,

1362
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 3: maybe top half of the second round, it kind of

1363
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,959
Speaker 3: drops off precipitously. I don't know where you think Cooper's going.

1364
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: I think he was in your top fifty if I

1365
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 3: remember it was.

1366
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Speaker 2: Can you use him as.

1367
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Speaker 3: A situational pass rusher if you're in the market for

1368
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 3: edge rush help but you missed the run, Like I'm

1369
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: wondering if that guy is versatile enough where you can

1370
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 3: maybe use him there scheme him right obviously, but you

1371
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like he's just he's just too

1372
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: dynamic to keep off the field.

1373
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Speaker 10: And I think that's the appeal with him.

1374
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 9: He's a true four down player, like he doesn't need

1375
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 9: to come off the field on special teams. Passing situations,

1376
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 9: you know, if you want to drop on coverage, he

1377
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 9: can do that if you have If you want to

1378
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 9: rush him, he has the length and the speed where

1379
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 9: I think he'd be able to do that no problem.

1380
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Speaker 9: So that is part of the appeal with Eddrian Cooper.

1381
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 9: And this isn't a great linebacker class. It's okay, He's

1382
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 9: right there in the mix to be linebacker one for

1383
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 9: a lot of teams. I think him and Junior Colson

1384
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 9: from Michigan are kind of the two guys fighting for

1385
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 9: that spot.

1386
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 10: But the versatility that he brings.

1387
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 9: Noah, You're absolutely right about the trigger, his ability to

1388
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 9: he can take on blocks, but he can also avoid

1389
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 9: him to the way he gets the ball. And it's

1390
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 9: never just a straight line in football, you know, it's

1391
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 9: always you have to sift through or you have to

1392
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 9: move around blocks, and he's able to do that so efficiently.

1393
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 3: And there are times tho where he looks point A

1394
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 3: to point B, it's like, wow, how did he get

1395
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 3: through there?

1396
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1397
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Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly.

1398
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 9: Again that's South Carolina, say just sticks my mind from

1399
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 9: him this past year where he understands down, he understands situation,

1400
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 9: he understands depth, and when he sees it he unlocks

1401
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 9: and goes and so, yeah, he puts some really good

1402
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 9: stuff on tape, and it's no surprise why first round

1403
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 9: is not out of the realm with possibility for him.

1404
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 9: It probably second rounds more likely, But you know, I

1405
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 9: could certainly understand why a team would look at that

1406
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 9: versatility that you're talking about and say, yeah, we feel

1407
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Speaker 9: good about that.

1408
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Speaker 10: In the top thirty two.

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01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 4: Eight of Buffalo's twelve defensive linemen who are on the

1410
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 4: roster last season are set to become free agents and

1411
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Speaker 4: they might do some of that work in the draft.

1412
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 4: So if you're the Bills, you're shopping for an edge,

1413
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 4: you're shopping for a defensive tackle, where do you draft him?

1414
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,439
Speaker 4: What round you draft him in to get somebody who

1415
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 4: can be a player in the first season of his

1416
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 4: NFL career.

1417
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I mean you mentioned how the pass rush

1418
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 9: group is. It's a little underwhelming. You know, we've got

1419
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 9: some first round guys this year with Jared Verse and

1420
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 9: Dallas Turner, Chop Robinson who he talked about, Leatu Latu

1421
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 9: from UCLA's in there, but then there is a little

1422
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 9: bit of a drop off in terms of who what's

1423
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 9: that second tier look like, third tier look like.

1424
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 10: And you probably say the same thing about defensive tackle.

1425
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 9: You know, Devandre Sweat from Texas is a different type

1426
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 9: of defensive tackle. Then, said Johnny Newton, sweats more of them.

1427
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 9: I'm eager to see what he weighed in at because

1428
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 9: he skipped that at the Senior Bowl for a reason.

1429
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: Wasn't ready yet. He was he was playing.

1430
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 9: More of three seventy this year at Texas, But knowing

1431
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 9: he's that big and seeing how he can still move

1432
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 9: is just kind of jaw dropping. But you know, if

1433
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 9: you like Jordan Davis coming out of Georgia, who's a

1434
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 9: top fifteen pick or top twenty pick to the Eagles, yeah,

1435
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 9: you're gonna like Devandre Sweat just you know, in terms

1436
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 9: of just being that size to be able to do

1437
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 9: some crazy things. So as long as you trust him

1438
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 9: off the field, which that was a question in the past,

1439
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 9: as long as you trust him off the field, I think,

1440
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 9: you know, Swet's a guy you're gonna consider in the

1441
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 9: first round. His teammate Byron Murphy. I think he's a

1442
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 9: dark horse to be the first defensive player drafted period.

1443
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 10: He's dynamic, he is, and he's smaller, he's six foot

1444
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 10: three hundred pounds.

1445
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 9: But you know, I talked to him a couple of

1446
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 9: days ago coming here, and he told me how he

1447
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 9: never considered being a defensive lineman. He always thought he

1448
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 9: would be an NFL running back growing up. And then

1449
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 9: his sophomore year in high school, he was a middle

1450
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 9: linebacker and they had a pressure package where they'd bring

1451
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 9: him down to the defensive line, and it worked too

1452
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 9: well because they got him down there and they're like, oh,

1453
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 9: he's beating these guys in two seconds. And you know, like, okay,

1454
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 9: you're a defensive lineman now. And so at this point

1455
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 9: he's two forty and so he has ways up to

1456
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 9: two seventy five. And then his senior year at two

1457
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 9: to eighty broke Von Miller's sack record at Soto High School.

1458
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 9: So yeah, he is a really dynamic player versus the

1459
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 9: pass and versus the runs. So I wouldn't be surprised

1460
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 9: if he goes off the board somewhere top fifteen. You know,

1461
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 9: the Vikings at eleven, Raiders at thirteen. Dark Horse would

1462
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 9: be that first defensive player drafted.

1463
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 3: All right, so it's let's just run a scenario here.

1464
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 3: It's day three of the draft. People are like wiping

1465
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 3: their eyes from being up late on night. It's day three,

1466
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 3: drinking their coffee. They're watching the draft. Give me two

1467
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: or three sleeper players that people should be aware of,

1468
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 3: like a name we should be aware of to be

1469
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 3: ready to hear on day three that could surprise some people.

1470
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 9: My Yale left tackle. This a guy I'm pretty high on.

1471
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 9: You know, he's coming off Quietaire and that's a tough

1472
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 9: one that especially for offensive lineman. But I think some

1473
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 9: teams are looking at it as hey, I'm just geting

1474
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 9: a discount on him, you know, because he's a really

1475
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 9: good player left tackle, karing a megaggee. He is how

1476
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 9: you want to tackle to look in terms of the length,

1477
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 9: the way that he can sink, his athleticism, he's just

1478
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 9: he's he's raw coming from the IVY League.

1479
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 10: So it's a not an instant. He's gonna make an impact.

1480
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 9: It is, but I think a couple years from now,

1481
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 9: you're gonna look back and say, Okay, we're glad we

1482
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 9: drafted this guy in the fourth round or whatever it is.

1483
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 9: I really like Andrew Phillips the corner from Kentucky. In surprise,

1484
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 9: he doesn't get more love. Now, he might end up

1485
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 9: going day two just because other teams all that's it.

1486
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 9: But he's I think people are gonna look at no

1487
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 9: interceptions in college, okay, you know, like that's you know

1488
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 9: that they're gonna look down on that. But give me

1489
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 9: the corners that are competitive and that have speed. Give

1490
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 9: me those guys and we have something to work with.

1491
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 9: And Andrew Phillips. I think he's a day one nickel

1492
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 9: because he has those trades. Really competitive dudes. So yeah,

1493
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 9: I think he's a guy that people are a sleeping

1494
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 9: on him. And throw Austin Booker in there as well.

1495
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: Oh I likes Yeah.

1496
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 9: I mean he's long, really long, and he's it doesn't

1497
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 9: it's rare to see a guy like this that has

1498
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 9: only so few snaps.

1499
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 10: I mean, he's not even a one year starter. He

1500
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 10: didn't start this past year for Kansas.

1501
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 2: Had an eight sax season if I remember right now.

1502
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 9: Led the team in sacks and twelve tackles for loss

1503
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 9: and h But he's a guy that you're getting on

1504
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 9: the ascent, you know, like he's and he's.

1505
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 10: Not just a trades guy.

1506
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 9: Like you see him make plays versus the run, the

1507
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 9: way he can track, the way he sees it. So

1508
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 9: Austin Booker is a guy that I think should go

1509
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:00,959
Speaker 9: a lot higher, and he's being projected.

1510
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 4: More and more players are opting to not test at

1511
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 4: the Combine decide to do it at their pro day.

1512
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Speaker 4: Does this mean anything for the future of the NFL

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 4: Combine or is it no big deal?

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01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 10: No big deal.

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Speaker 9: I mean, honestly, this has been going on for a

1516
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 9: long time. I was interested to I've got all the

1517
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 9: Combine sheets going back to the mid nineties.

1518
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 8: Wow.

1519
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 9: And so I went back to ninety six just to

1520
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 9: see if Marvin Harrison's dad worked out, and he didn't.

1521
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 9: And it's fun. I'm reading all these names. You know,

1522
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 9: some big name players. A lot of them didn't work

1523
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 9: out at the Combines. Okay, So, like I don't think

1524
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 9: this is maybe like a newer thing. It's just every

1525
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 9: year we have guys that and obviously, you know, agents

1526
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,839
Speaker 9: play apart and say let's just wait, let's keep training.

1527
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 9: Maybe they come on off a late season injury that

1528
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 9: they're late training for some of these drills.

1529
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 10: I understand, you know, the quarterbacks not throwing here.

1530
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 9: They want to be in their own ecosystem and they're

1531
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 9: throwing their own receivers. I get that, but you know,

1532
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 9: teams want to see these guys compete too, So at

1533
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 9: the same time, it's like it's not a big deal,

1534
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 9: but still I'm gonna give you points if you come here, compete,

1535
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 9: put your best foot forward, and show us what you

1536
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 9: can do.

1537
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: Last one, Dan, because we get a lot of these

1538
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 3: comments from our listeners and our viewers because Brian Thomas

1539
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 3: is a buzz name that they keep getting mocked to

1540
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 3: the Bills, although some people have them getting it going earlier. Well,

1541
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 3: here's the thing about that, because I'm trying to find

1542
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 3: the team, Like you know, there's three teams in the

1543
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 3: top ten that are gonna take one of those top

1544
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 3: three receivers. But then I'm looking for that fourth team

1545
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: and I get all the way down to the Bucks

1546
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 3: at twenty six. I mean, someone could move up, someone

1547
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 3: could move up, and all right, if the Bucks don't,

1548
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 3: you know, franchise Evans or resign them, yes, okay, they

1549
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 3: could take a receiver, but they're at twenty six. They're

1550
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 3: only two spots ahead of the Bills. I mean you

1551
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: see somebody jumping up to get him.

1552
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.

1553
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,759
Speaker 3: But my question, yeah, my question real quick is people

1554
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 3: want us to kind of compare and contrast Brian Thomas

1555
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 3: d Ni Mitchell, Like how much separation there?

1556
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: Would you have Mitchell right after him on the list?

1557
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 2: Like where do you kind of come down on that?

1558
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1559
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 9: I think Mitchell's right right now. I mean, Brian Thomas,

1560
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 9: he's just a freak. He is, you know, six three

1561
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 9: and a half two ten, and he's good. Like I said,

1562
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 9: he might run in the four threes here.

1563
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: Mitchell's gonna test good too though, he will.

1564
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 10: He will Thomas.

1565
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 9: I think, you know, with his I expected when I

1566
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 9: first started watching his tape, I expected to see a

1567
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 9: raw player.

1568
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 10: He's done.

1569
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 9: He's a really good route runner, he's and he blocks

1570
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 9: his butt off. I think he's just a better football

1571
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 9: player right now than Adi Mitchell. But Anda Mitchell is

1572
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 9: a good player too. I wish he's a little more

1573
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 9: physical down the field. You know, some of those catchpoints

1574
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 9: aren't gonna be as clean in the NFL. And I've

1575
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 9: got a little more trust in Brian Thomas. I you

1576
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,520
Speaker 9: look at the Colts.

1577
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 10: At fifteen, the Jaguars and the seventeen.

1578
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: If the Coles don't get Pittman back right.

1579
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 10: Right, they need outside receiver help.

1580
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 9: I think there are He's gonna have some first round grades,

1581
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 9: and I just have a hard time seeing a first

1582
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:45,440
Speaker 9: round graded receiver.

1583
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 10: Fall that far. So you know, I think he's gonna go.

1584
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 9: But you know, if your Bills faner's certainly crussing your fingers,

1585
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,440
Speaker 9: it doesn't have en toes.

1586
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 2: Dang.

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, appreciate all the time. Good luck getting

1588
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: that beast wrapped up and out to everybody. I can't

1589
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 3: remember guy the Beast. It'll be out on the Athletic

1590
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: dot Com, so be sure to keep an eye out

1591
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: for it summery in early April. That's way well, that's

1592
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 3: we won't pin you down, but early April is when

1593
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: Dane'll have it out for you. We got to take

1594
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 3: a break here, but we'll be back with plenty more

1595
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 3: here on a Wednesday at one at One Bill's Drive.

1596
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 2: On a Wednesday here at the.

1597
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 3: NFL Combine in Indianapolis, we're back in a second stay jun.

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01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Maddy Clab coming to you live from the

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Speaker 3: NFL combine in Indianapolis. And look who we've got in

1601
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 3: between US, NFL on CBS, NFL network. He got any

1602
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 3: other networks you're working for these days? Charles Davis joining

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01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 3: us here?

1604
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: No, you know, let me think about getting back with

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01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: you on that one.

1606
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start here.

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 3: I want to hit the rewind button a little bit

1608
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 3: because I know you were at the Senior Bowl all week.

1609
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 3: So who for you was the most impressive prospect for

1610
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:54,879
Speaker 3: you at the Senior Bowl.

1611
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: And who was the biggest surprise player for you?

1612
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: And mobile?

1613
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 6: He wasn't a surprise eyes and he was. He was

1614
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 6: extremely impressive. Q Mitchell corner back out of Toledo not

1615
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 6: a surprise in terms of I knew he was good.

1616
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,879
Speaker 6: If I want to use the word surprise, that good. Okay,

1617
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Corner picks a corner like

1618
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 6: you know well, you know if you saw me run,

1619
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 6: you know I was a safety. And that's why I'm jealous,

1620
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 6: because those corners can fly. But just his ability to

1621
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 6: take on every challenge that week and wanting to go

1622
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 6: gets the number one guys, and to not just hold

1623
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 6: his own but to win times and not he was

1624
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 6: that guy A kid got hurt, and I'll come back

1625
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 6: to another one in a second.

1626
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: But a kid got hurt. Rashima A Lee, the running

1627
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: back out of Marshall.

1628
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 6: It was terrible because he was really starting to have

1629
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 6: a big time Senior Bowl week and that.

1630
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 1: Was a bummer, absolute bummers.

1631
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 6: We want to see him the game, but he erupted

1632
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 6: a bicep and it could cost him draft styles, it

1633
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 6: could cost him where he ends up going to being

1634
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 6: a free agent. Talking about a guy coming out coming

1635
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 6: out with Terius Robinson, he emerged for me, right, He

1636
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 6: emerged from me because I watched him work at edge.

1637
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: I watched him work down reduced a defensive tackle.

1638
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 6: And he did both of those into one on one

1639
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 6: drills and the team drills. I asked him today, I said,

1640
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 6: this is what I observed. I observed you growing in

1641
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 6: stature and confidence that by with each day you got

1642
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 6: more that way, and you started being the first guy

1643
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 6: on the line wanting the best guy. And he said yeah,

1644
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 6: I actually, yeah, I think you're right, because it wasn't

1645
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 6: he was hiding in the back, but he realized he

1646
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 6: was what do we say now?

1647
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: Is that guy right? And he was like he'd stand

1648
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: up in a line of scrimmage.

1649
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 6: He look across like, send me a tackle, send me

1650
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 6: your best one was important, send me a guard, send

1651
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 6: me your best one, and he would go.

1652
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: It was important for him to go back, and he developed.

1653
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 6: Sometimes patients can be rewarded. Sometimes you can do it.

1654
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 6: You know, you're in the seventh grade and you want

1655
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 6: to go to the eighth grade dance and you get

1656
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 6: asked and your mother says no, and you're upset and

1657
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 6: she he says no because you want things to happen

1658
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 6: in their time. You want to mature and be able

1659
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 6: to handle it. Does that sound like a personal thing.

1660
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 6: It kind of happened. Yeah, I think it did.

1661
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, moving right along. Thanks mom, you taught.

1662
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 8: Me a good lusson.

1663
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 4: Charles. You have such a great pulse on the NFL,

1664
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 4: covering this league for so many seasons. The Bills hired

1665
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 4: Joe Brady as their offensive coordinator. He was their INTERIMOC

1666
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 4: in the second half of last season. We saw some

1667
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 4: good things from him. He had some familiarity with Josh Allen.

1668
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 4: So what does the familiarity with a quarterback like Josh

1669
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 4: Allen do for a new offensive coordinator who's still very

1670
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 4: young In his coaching career.

1671
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 1: You speak shorthand right away.

1672
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 6: You know, you don't have to spend a lot of

1673
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 6: time trying to decipher each other, learn each other what.

1674
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: You like, what you don't like, all of that.

1675
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 6: That stuff happens a lot quicker and a lot more organically.

1676
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 6: To bring back a word of the year from three

1677
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 6: years ago, the big thing that I thought Joe Brady

1678
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 6: brought was an understanding of his head coach. That was

1679
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,520
Speaker 6: my impression from the outside end. Coach is a defensive

1680
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 6: coordinator who is also a head coach. And I haven't

1681
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 6: met a defensive coordinator yet that does not want someone

1682
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 6: who can run the football. Okay, I've not run into

1683
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 6: those guys, all right, it's the rare one. Now, I've

1684
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 6: run the defensive coordinators who become head coaches that higher

1685
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 6: guys that pitch it around because the drives their defense crazy.

1686
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 6: But they also wanted to be able to run the

1687
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 6: football because they want to be able to control clock,

1688
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 6: help their defense do all those other things. And I

1689
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 6: thought Joe Brady played that masterfully down the stretch.

1690
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: He wouldn't cow towing Sean McDermott.

1691
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 6: He wasn't trying to Oh well, I hope I get

1692
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 6: the job because I'm going to run the football. He

1693
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 6: realized that helped the football team, and it did in

1694
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 6: a big way. James Cook really blossomed as a runner.

1695
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 6: What number game five to six games down the stretch.

1696
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 6: And by the way, who ran the ball more effectively

1697
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 6: against Kansas City in the playoffs? Buffalo ran it better

1698
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 6: than anyone and scored more points on than any other team.

1699
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 6: So that was a you know, look, you're twisting a

1700
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 6: turn and a bouncing ball away from an advancing on.

1701
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 6: That's the hard part. You had them at home, that's

1702
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 6: really difficult. But I think that Joe Brady and Sean

1703
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 6: McDermott fit. I think it's a good match. And now

1704
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to seeing Brandon being continue to develop

1705
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 6: that with extra guys and extra talent there. And one

1706
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 6: more time, Brandon Bean, you're gonna punch me dead in

1707
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 6: the face, big running back, big running back, continue to

1708
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 6: have that. I love having Cooke. If I still want

1709
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 6: a thumper that can come in if you give you

1710
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 6: eight to ten carries, I want a thumper.

1711
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna flip it over that.

1712
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: By the way, braydln Allen Wisconsin, just throwing it out.

1713
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 3: Okay, flip it over to defense here because I know

1714
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 3: we're tight on time, knowing the defensive scheme for the

1715
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: Bills is largely going to remain the same even though

1716
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 3: you got Bobby Babbage's coordinator. Now, what do you like

1717
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 3: as a fit for them at number twenty eight and

1718
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 3: round one defensive lineman? Because if we've been as we've

1719
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 3: been talking about all week eight of Buffalo's twelve defensive

1720
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 3: lineman on the roster of free agents.

1721
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna be internestye if the Newton kid and

1722
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 6: Jerson Newton from Illinois and he wanted to be called

1723
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 6: now yeah, yeah, Okay, gonna call him john because they

1724
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 6: beat me up, so so Johnny Newton, I'd love to

1725
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 6: love this. Let's let's let's let's say a big guy

1726
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 6: like that's around. I just sat with Byron Murphy from Texas.

1727
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: I think he might go a little bit earlier than that.

1728
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 6: Be interesting, though, how much do you value that true

1729
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 6: zero one technique? And that's his teammate to and Andre

1730
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 6: Sweat who is super horsepowered beat you up there. I

1731
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 6: don't know what you're getting in the past rush though,

1732
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 6: But d Ed Oliver for that. So maybe a guy

1733
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 6: like that, you might not have to give him the

1734
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 6: first round and give.

1735
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 1: Him in a second round.

1736
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 6: So so a player of that caliber comes to mind

1737
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 6: for me, and then I'm always thinking about the back

1738
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 6: end for you, because look, Christian Benford has given you play,

1739
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 6: Dan Jackson has given you play. One's a sixth rounder,

1740
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,839
Speaker 6: one's a seventh rounder. Okay, Kyrie, love your first rounder.

1741
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 6: I thought played his best football somewhat in the playoffs,

1742
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 6: but it hasn't been as consistent as they've wanted. What's

1743
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 6: going to happen there? Trey White coming back from injury again,

1744
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 6: getting those corners solidified will be a big deal. And

1745
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 6: I know the safety position is also a spot. I

1746
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 6: just want to tell you if he got a little

1747
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 6: bit yeah, a little bit kid I've fallen in love

1748
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 6: with is out of Utah.

1749
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 1: Cold Bishop. Okay, fall in love of Cold Bishop.

1750
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 6: Traffic cop type of a guy, classic free safety who'll

1751
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 6: set your defense and clean up everything that comes through

1752
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 6: with good tackling.

1753
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 4: All right, all right, one last one for me before

1754
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 4: we break. You were at the HBC Legacy Bowl recently,

1755
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 4: which I love. That has gotten a lot more pub

1756
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 4: over the last couple of years. Are there any players

1757
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 4: that Bill's fans should keep an eye on or any

1758
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 4: players that you fell in love with there?

1759
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 6: Well, at the HBCU All Star Game, there was one

1760
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 6: quarterback named Davis Richard out of North Carolina Central, who

1761
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 6: was clearly the best player at the game and I

1762
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 6: think is deserving of a shot.

1763
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: Dissocated his ankle.

1764
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 6: On the first five of the series of the game

1765
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 6: and that was terrible to see him go out like that.

1766
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 6: If you're talking about other people, he wasn't at the

1767
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 6: All Star Game, but he was scheduled for the Shrine Ball.

1768
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 6: I believe Sunday Otta Anderson, defensive lineman out of Grambler,

1769
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 6: keep an eye on him and see what happens there.

1770
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 6: There's a safety who would be like a line dime linebacker.

1771
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 6: Remember Marquise Bell came in from Florida A and M

1772
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 6: didn't get drafted. He's now playing a lot for Dallas

1773
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 6: and all their packages. The guy that kind of fit

1774
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 6: that role was kidnamed Jordan Toles. He had been an

1775
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 6: LSU kid transferred back to Morgan State six two six

1776
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 6: three and fifteen pounds, and he said, well, you know,

1777
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 6: we're doing those safeties now return them into linebackers a

1778
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 6: lot of cases. He's a guy that I think will

1779
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 6: bear watching. And those are just some of the kids

1780
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 6: that I saw there.

1781
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 2: Great Charles, thanks for the time as always, because we

1782
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: know you're on I'm on the clock wash.

1783
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: Out here.

1784
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate you bringing always good to see. Hopefully we

1785
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 2: see more of your next season.

1786
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 1: Been too long since we've been to Buffalo.

1787
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 3: We got to take a break. We're back with more

1788
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 3: here on one. Bill's Live presentybody can a lot of health.

1789
01:21:50,439 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bills, right, a right, Welcome back to the

1790
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 3: NFL combine here in Indianapolis, Chris Brown, Matty, glad with

1791
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: you and sorry we've had all the interviews. We had

1792
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: a lot of time to talk to you at eight

1793
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 3: oh three oh five fifty one eighty eight five fifty

1794
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 3: two five fifty. But we do have a few minutes

1795
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 3: here at the end of the show, so let's go

1796
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 3: back to the phones. And waiting there for us is

1797
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 3: Judy and Buffalo. What's up, Judy?

1798
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm very happy to hear that the prospect that

1799
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 5: we have is the LSU receiver, because I think they're

1800
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 5: a proven commodity. All Right, so I hope that they

1801
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 5: use all their draft choices to get young I even

1802
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 5: hope that they pick up the quarterback rattler. Now our

1803
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 5: weaknesses on defense, I agree with that. But you know,

1804
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 5: when all of a sudden done, there will be plenty

1805
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 5: of free agents left who are willing to sign with

1806
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 5: the Bills who are winning team to enhance their careers

1807
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 5: for at least one year more prices. And I think

1808
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 5: that's the way the Bills start looking. I don't think

1809
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 5: graft choices on defense are going to do anything for use.

1810
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 3: I'm out.

1811
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, Judy, appreciate that.

1812
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 3: I think they'll be able to find some talent in

1813
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 3: the draft that can play right away.

1814
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's enough talent there.

1815
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 3: And and look, as much as the as you and

1816
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 3: everybody else would like to see the Bills be busy

1817
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 3: in free agency, I don't think they're going to have

1818
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 3: the cap space to fulfill all the holes on their

1819
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 3: roster like they have in the past. And so I

1820
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 3: think the reason why Brandon Bean you know, told us

1821
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: yesterday and has said more than once before that we

1822
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 3: really have to hit on this draft is because he

1823
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 3: knows they're going to need to put players that they

1824
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 3: draft on the field in year one, and not just

1825
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 3: on special teams, on offense or defense, They're gonna have.

1826
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: To fill some kind of role.

1827
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: Now, maybe on the defensive line that's a rotational role

1828
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 3: because they roll eight guys through, but that guy's gonna

1829
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 3: be playing twenty five thirty snaps a week on defense.

1830
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to find them. But I do think

1831
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 2: Judy is a stude on this point.

1832
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 3: She talked about signing free agents later in the free

1833
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 3: agent period, which I think, for all intents and purposes,

1834
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,560
Speaker 3: could be post draft, which we saw the Bills do

1835
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 3: with a great degree of success last year. Pooniford Leonard Floyd,

1836
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 3: and Leonard Floyd is a good poster child to show

1837
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 3: free agents to say, hey, look, Leonard Floyd came here

1838
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 3: on a one year deal, had a good season on

1839
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 3: a good defense, a top ten defense, and look at

1840
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:44,879
Speaker 3: the money he made the next year in free agency.

1841
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 3: And then the Bills benefit too, because if you lose

1842
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 3: a guy like Leonard Floyd to a big contract and

1843
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 3: you have a net loss of free agents, you get

1844
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,520
Speaker 3: another compensatory next year for Leonard Floyd, maybe for aj Epanessa.

1845
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good point. I think Bills fans

1846
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 4: shouldn't freak out if we go if we come out

1847
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 4: of when a lot of free agent signings happened within

1848
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 4: those first several weeks of free agency. A few weeks

1849
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 4: of free agency, and you're saying there are so many

1850
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 4: holes still on the roster. I wouldn't freak out yet

1851
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 4: even after the draft, if you're still thinking we need

1852
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 4: to fill some holes, why didn't they do this in

1853
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 4: the draft. They should have already done it in free agency.

1854
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 4: Maybe they're hanging around to see who's still sticking out,

1855
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 4: who's still available, that's a free agent that can come

1856
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 4: to Buffalo, maybe on on a deal that's a little

1857
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 4: less money than it would have been if you're signing

1858
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 4: a guy within the first three weeks of free agency.

1859
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's take a look at last year's free

1860
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 3: agent period, just as an example. Okay, they signed safety

1861
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 3: Zane Anderson, first guy out of the shoot. He got

1862
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 3: cut before free agency started. I think he was signed

1863
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 3: right around this time last year before the free agent

1864
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 3: market opened, because he was a street guy, didn't even

1865
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 3: make the roster, signed a nominal deal. Then early in

1866
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 3: free agency, they signed Deontay Hardy, Connor McGovern and those

1867
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 3: were really the only guys that got signed in that

1868
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 3: first wave of free agency. Everybody else was one year deals,

1869
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 3: Kyle Allen, Trent Sherfield, Damian Harris, David Edwards, Taylor Rapp,

1870
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 3: Latavius Murray, and then later in the spring Leonard Floyd Pooniford,

1871
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 3: and then they had a couple of other nominal signings

1872
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 3: as well. I think you got to look for that

1873
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 3: same kind of formula this year. So what does that mean.

1874
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 3: That means you're probably gonna see one, maybe two guys

1875
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 3: in the first two weeks that signed respectable money deals

1876
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 3: for the Bills, and probably more than one year. You know,

1877
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 3: maybe it's Daikwon Jones two years, nine and a half

1878
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:54,799
Speaker 3: million with incentives that can push it to like twelve,

1879
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: and then maybe it's you know, a veteran receiver for

1880
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 3: cheap and then we're probably waiting after that because that's

1881
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 3: the blueprint from last year, and your cap situation is

1882
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 3: harder to navigate this year than it was last year.

1883
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 4: And it's seemingly so that this team is more and

1884
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 4: more not of a first wave free agency team. And

1885
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 4: that's okay, that's not a bad thing because the Bills

1886
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 4: are in a spot where you don't need to be

1887
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 4: signing all these big name players in free agency because

1888
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,839
Speaker 4: you have quite a few big names on your roster already.

1889
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 4: You're in a good point within your system, within what

1890
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 4: you have going on. Consistent playoff team. Know they're still

1891
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 4: trying to get over the hump, but it's not like

1892
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,879
Speaker 4: you need to be attacking on those first few days anyways,

1893
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 4: even if they had the cap space to do so.

1894
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 4: They have a roster that looks really good when you

1895
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 4: put it up against a lot of other NFL rosters.

1896
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 4: I know there are some big holes as it relates

1897
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 4: to free agents guys set to become free agents here

1898
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 4: in a few weeks, But I trust the scouting department.

1899
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 4: They know what's best for this team and they'll begin

1900
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 4: to address that shortly. We'll start to find out in

1901
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 4: a few weeks, guys.

1902
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 3: We also have players around the league that have been

1903
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 3: given permission to seek a trade, most notably Lagarious Need

1904
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 3: of the Chiefs and Zach Wilson, quarterback of the Jets.

1905
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 3: The Jets thought he'd be fine to be their backup

1906
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 3: last year. Everybody had egg on their face by the

1907
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 3: end of the season, they're not making that mistake. Again,

1908
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 3: I don't know who's going to be interested in Zach Wilson,

1909
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 3: but if they can find somebody his agent's amazing.

1910
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 4: And what would the trade look like too, Yeah, I

1911
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 4: don't I don't know.

1912
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what the compensation is. Maybe if you

1913
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 3: have a coaching staff that feels like you know what

1914
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 3: it's in there and I can get it out of them,

1915
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 3: So let's lob them a seventh rounder. If they can

1916
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 3: get a seventh rounder for Zach Wilson, that would be amazing.

1917
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,839
Speaker 3: And think about that value. Zach Wilson was the second

1918
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 3: pick in the draft. Yeah, that one hurts.

1919
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 4: It's crazy how things work out. And you look at

1920
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks in this year's draft class, not comparing them

1921
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 4: exactly to Zach Wilson, but you wonder when you look

1922
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 4: down the road in a few years from now, what

1923
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 4: are we going to say about Caleb Williams and Drake

1924
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 4: May and Jaden Daniels.

1925
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why it's a risk, because as sure

1926
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 3: a thing as some guys look sometimes and if you're

1927
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 3: getting drafted second, you look like a pretty sure thing.

1928
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 2: And that's what the Jets thought of Zach Wilson. Sometimes

1929
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: you miss, sometimes you miss.

1930
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 3: That's why I'm glad the Bills got their guy. You

1931
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about that.

1932
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 2: That's it for us. Today. I got Ian Rappaport, Tom Pelizero. Tomorrow.

1933
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: We'll see it one