WEBVTT - Sounds of Sudan 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.600 You are listening to Waiting on Reparations, a production of 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:13.680 I Heart Radio. That is happening everybody. My name's Dope 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:20.040 Knife Franca. We are waiting on reparations. Please don't waste 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.279 my time. How are you doing today, man, I'm good. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.000 I'm a little bummed out. Just you know, we got 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.960 the results of the Virginia gubernatorial election. Yo. I literally 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.400 tweeted out. I tweeted out today the election day. It's 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.640 like magic in the air. It feels like Christmas Eve, 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.400 only I also want to throw up and cry every 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.400 time it's like, oh, maybe this is the time that 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.760 like that, you know, we really take power. And then actually, no, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.599 it's the opposite person, the opposite Yeah, I mean it's 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:56.160 it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. At the time of recording, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.240 New Jersey governor is not looking well either. Oh, the 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.200 New Jersey governor is not looking at What about New York? 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.040 That's I mean, that's the governor of New York. Album 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.959 that's up right now? Or may or whatever like that? Mayor? Oh, well, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.120 that was a foregone conclusion. Some what what's his name, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.080 Eric Adams? Well, the Democratic primary. I thought that there 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.560 was some risk with all the anti vax protests stuff though, No, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.920 it's fucking overblown those anything. Yeah, I don't know, this 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.640 is you know, I don't you know, I'm not like 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.399 a political expert or anything, but this doesn't avode well 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.840 for the Democrats come to mid terms. Um well, I 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:40.360 mean not passing broadly popular policies. It's bad. Like they 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.960 gotta they definitely got a succession or this is going 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.800 to keep happening. I think I think it's like a 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.480 cornucopia like bad situations, kind of like you know, leading 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.720 into each other. I think on one hand, there is 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:59.000 you know, the aspect that the Democrats can govern more 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.200 effectively and show a little more backbone and again, like 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.840 you said, like past these popular policies, but then you 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.560 know we can't front. But like a lot of this 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.320 is based on Republican stupid ship too, you know what 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.760 I mean. Like, at least in Virginia, a lot of 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.679 people we're saying that they fell for the critical race 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:23.079 theory ruse, and they're concerned about education. The Virginia race 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:29.120 swung like thirty points in like in eight days. Yeah, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.120 well yeah, yeah, shout out to our friends at the 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:36.600 fucking Lincoln Projects getting it all involved for listeners that 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.800 may not be aware. But again, project again, it's like 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:45.720 a bunch of little things, you know what I'm saying, Like, man, 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.120 I think that like what is going on with how 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:55.120 effectively the right the Republicans are whipping up not just 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.520 their base but beyond their base into a froth about 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.880 these cultural issues. I don't know. I think I think 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.760 it plays more of a bigger role than than people 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.680 are given credit for, because like Republicans do not care 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:13.040 about policy progressives do you know what I mean? Like 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.799 like like progressives are sitting out here talking about policies 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.240 and you know, I mean, what what tax bracket is 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.600 this gonna be in? And where's this desk will gonna 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.560 be and stuff like that. In Conservatives are not thinking 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:28.760 about that ship at all. They're they're oh, Tony Morrison, Yes, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.000 I said, we gotta get to the polls right now. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.360 I mean, and then you know, centrist stay at home, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.040 the left stay at home either, you know, for there 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.080 are separate reasons. Imaginably, Okay, I'm imagining that this is 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.200 what happened. Liberals were like, well, we oh, Joe Biden's president. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.160 We wanted to send it hooray. We don't worry about ship, 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:55.320 stay at home. The left just this, what's it disaffected by, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.760 like the lack of action by the bride An administration, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.960 the fact that he was even in our presidential candidate 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.520 at all. Everybody say, so, they're so on both sides there, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.160 see the folks that gave up because I thought they 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.680 we had one and everything was fine and they no 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.360 longer needed. And then the other side that like stop 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.920 stopped playing the game, like we don't want to play 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.599 this gamemore, there's no way to actually win in the system. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.839 And here we are. So I don't know. I mean, 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.760 it's gonna be it's gonna be tricky. It's gonna be 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.200 tricky because I I just don't think I don't know, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.920 I just don't think that like as the Republicans start 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.240 to take back power and stuff like that. I think 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.440 that we're gonna like we're gonna experience ship that Texas 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.480 is experiencing right now, Like they're gonna start doing stuff 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:50.560 that's going to have like actual tangible like effect on 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.000 all of our lives and stuff like that. So, I mean, 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.200 it's just gonna be down to what, you know, what 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:59.440 people prioritize, you know, what I'm saying. I'm not gonna 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.920 be sitting around in about a year when like they 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.560 implement nationwide stopping frisk you know what I'm saying, and 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.119 some cops pulling me over for some no reason asking 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.640 me for my papers and ship like that. I'm not 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.960 gonna be sitting there and being like, oh, man, if 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:20.440 only the Democrats had run somebody that I like, you 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.360 know what I mean. So it's like if people, I mean, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.360 hey again, I don't I hate doing like the disclaimers 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.080 of other Democrats are trash, because we all know the 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.520 Democrats are trash, but the other guys are clearly worse. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.240 And it's just like if it's not if the ship 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:38.200 that they're doing without motivation enough to at least be like, yeah, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.280 they can't get back in power, then I don't know. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.520 I don't know, you know what I'm saying. I don't 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.480 know where we're gonna I don't know where we're going 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.520 to be in a year and a half. I'm like, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:53.640 legit worried in that stuff. Yeah, well, good news. What's 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.080 good tonight? I just got off a commission meeting. We're 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.160 recording this and like midnight because I just spent five 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.039 and a half hours, UM, listen to public comment from 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:08.320 the local gop and on one side and liberals and 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.560 prograsses on the other with regards to a public safety 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:17.200 Civilian overside board, which we eventually passed unanimously, which was great. UM, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.159 And so yeah, we'll have civilians weighing in on operations 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:25.440 of and complaints against not only the police department, but 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:30.000 the Sheriff's office, UM, the probation office. And so does 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.479 broad civilian oversight into policing, which is not gonna like 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.840 totally changed the game, but given the fact that like 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:42.080 many cities, unfortunately too many cities, we had passed zero 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:48.039 like meaningful criminal justice anything in the aftermath of the uprisings, Yeah, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.799 it's like, yo, it's been a year and a half 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.960 and we're finally doing the bare minimum. But finally we're 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.200 doing something, you know, So that that was cool. We 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.120 gotta take our victories a week, I take our do 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.839 take our dubs where we can, Gotta take them where 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.600 we can. So what are we getting into today? So 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:09.240 today we're actually gonna just completely leave these terrible United 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.320 States behind us and skip across the pond to Sudan, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.800 where last week there's a military coon, you know, part 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:23.880 of a long history of UM military takeovers and popular 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.040 uprisings in the country of Sudan. So we're gonna talk 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.160 a little bit about that UM when we come back. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:42.240 So we're back. Last week, Sudanese military officials started rounding 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.679 up high ranking elected it's including the Prime Minister of Sudan. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:52.960 UM dissolved the joint Civilian military military like governing board 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.520 at the top of the government. And we're pretty much like, yeah, 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.120 the ships are us now, and the people weren't fucking 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.640 stamped about it. For some reason, UM start taking to 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:06.120 the streets, UH strikes and sid ins all across the country. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.360 But this is not the first time that this has 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.760 happened Sudan. So let's take, oh, listener's a little bit 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.920 back to what these struggles may have started. Sudan was 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.160 colonized by the British from the eighteen nineties up until 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.280 about midway through the twentieth century. After World War One, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.480 the Sudanese nationalism movement picked up, with the British finally 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.280 granting autonomy to the Sudanese people in nineteen fifty three. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:35.080 The fairy tale ending the end all you need to know. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.600 Just kidding, UM, there's a civil war conflict from nine 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.000 three to two thousand five in the country between the 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.720 Central Studanese government and the Sudan People's Liberation I mean 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:49.160 whis the guerilla movement. Um. It was largely a continuation 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.240 of the First Sudanese Civil War from nineteen fifty five 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.839 to nineteen seventy two. Because you have these conflict lasted 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.559 about twenty two years. Is one of the longest civil 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.200 wars on record. UM. SO. The are a resulted independence 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.880 for salth Studan six years after the war ended. Um 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:14.959 a social so a socialist by the name of Gafar Nimrim. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.840 I think, I think, I I feel really good about 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.760 that now. But they were a socialist that served as 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.520 president from nineteen sixty nine up until nineteen eighty five, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.760 during which time he eased factional tensions between northern and 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.480 Central and Southern Sudan. But he was overthrown by his 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.600 defense minister a while in the United States and five, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.000 giving room for al Bashar to take power, which he 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:47.040 continued to hold on for thirty years. And are sorry 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.199 every country I lived at Senegal, I believe, but when 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.520 I lived there the president had been president for like 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.640 twenty years. Cameroon was the same sort of thing. Yeah, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:00.880 So albas here he was the dictator um Up Sudan 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.240 up until about two years ago. So let's ask forward 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:09.800 December ten. There's widespread protests against poverty, corruption and unemployment 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.160 um first in the northeast region of that Bara and 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:17.000 then within days spread to the capital of Khartoum. All 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.679 across the country. People started calling for all the year 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.160 who had led the nation's military leadership. Yeah, thirty years. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.719 He staped down because he had been wanted by the 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.319 International Criminal Court over charges of jennificide, war crimes and 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:35.480 crimes against humanity in the two thousand three Darfur conflict, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.600 which killed three hundred and three thousand, three d people. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:46.079 Thousand people. Yeah, that's like who got new numbers. Then 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:51.440 in April nineteen, the military disposed of albus here Uh, 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.640 suspended the country's constitution, They closed the borders and the airspace, 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.319 and they imposed a three month state of emergency. So 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.839 thousands of protesters occupied the front of the front of 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.040 the army headquarters. After that, they demanded civilian rule in 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.959 the military government brutally crackdown on all the protests that 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.160 was in front of their headquarters in June and they 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:18.240 killed dozens doing it. So since the overthrow of Omar 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.840 al Bashir, the transitional government UM was composed of civilians 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.920 and military are working together under the leadership of the 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.080 new Prime Minister of dalahom Duck to move the country 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.400 toward democratic elections. Three. There's been all you know, the 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.040 fucking military to swoop it in like, oh, we're gonna 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.520 put you in power, and now we're gonna take you out. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.160 And I'm gonna put this guy and I'm gonna take 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.800 him out. So trying to move towards actual democracy two 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.079 thousands of three. What's the goal? Is the goal? We'll 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.600 see power sharing between the military and civilians have been 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.120 concreasingly strained because there was a lot of debate over 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.679 whether to send al Bashir and others to the I C. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.120 C UM, you know, to be tried for their alleged 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:03.959 atrocities and darfer so off the bat, what is what 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.839 are your initial thoughts about all this so far? I 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.600 mean I just from you know, from like a somewhat 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:14.480 naive like American perspective, I'm just so fascinated by UM 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.720 the role of the military in like sort of controlling 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.240 the direction of the government and countries that aren't ours. Um, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.920 because like I guess when he were like our closest 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.880 modern day brush with an attempt to cop you know, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.800 Genuoy said question to the election last year, people asking like, oh, well, 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.960 you know, people in military love Trump. You know, oh, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:38.920 the police of Trump. Whatever. What if they try to 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:43.880 align with him and and Mike you know upholds or 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.480 you know, try to throughout the election results whatever, and 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.280 like said the country to sense into martial law or something. Um, 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.920 they kind that wasn't the case. And so just contrasting 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.000 that with our own circumstances and just like what makes 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.480 what makes it different? What makes it different? Is the 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.920 question that like really I don't know took up my 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.719 brain as I learned more about I'm not sure what 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:11.520 makes it different. Um. I know that this isn't necessarily 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.360 the first time that the sort of template has gone 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.800 down in Africa, just in the sense of like military 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.599 or guerrilla factions kind of taking on that sort of 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.559 role where it's like, oh, if the civilian government is 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.360 either corrupt or doing something that we don't like, that 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.360 we're going to swoop in and take them out of power, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.960 and then we'll give power back to the people after 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.319 we're done. I mean, like that that concept, you know, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.000 and I don't even imagine that that's like something that's 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.719 exclusive to Africa, but that's something that growing up, I've 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.120 heard about that sort of thing happening all the time. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.959 The only problem is that the military usually doesn't it 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.839 doesn't end up giving power to the power back. And 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.280 that's that's I guess where the true danger of it 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.439 comes in, you know, So like like from one and 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.240 from one end, it is kind of like fascinating because 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.120 it's like, damn, you know, it was cool that they 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.199 they looked at the situation and they were like, Okay, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.040 we don't think that this is working out. There's this 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.199 dictator in power, or this guy has been in power 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.760 too long, or whatever the reason is. It's fascinating that 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.960 they the military is like a completely separate entity and 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.960 stuff like that. But in most cases there's usually somebody 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.760 who's behind there who's looking at it as a power 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.040 vacuum grab, you know. Yeah, I mean the only other 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.120 thing I can think of is that like the concentration 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.920 of capital in the United States and that like really, 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.640 you know, it's an oligarchy in the sense of like 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:43.440 you know, billionaires own congress, on all the means of production, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.920 own everything, and so there's like that there's like greater 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.600 stability that comes with that. Not in a good way. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.760 It's like it's so um the power is so entrenched 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.520 of like people trying to uphold this order so that 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.280 folks can so the billionaires can continue to get richer. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.840 Is perhaps a key difference that I could identify. But um, 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.400 let's see, so where we where where do we? So? Okay, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.840 we're caught up a present day. Yeah, so then just 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.280 a week ago, we're getting back to Sudan. Now, just 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.960 a week ago, the Sudanese military dissolve the transitional government 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.560 and started rounding up and detaining high ranking government officials, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.680 including the Prime Minister. Now, in the wake of this 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:29.320 latest coups, strikes and civil disobedience broken out again, particularly 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.600 heavily concentrated in the capital of cartoon workers at state 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:41.400 oil company uh Suda pet joined pilots from Sudan Airways 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:47.800 Badar and Tarco Airlines, doctors across the country and striking 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.360 until the government is back in civilian hands. The military 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.760 leaders are still saying they planned to hold elections in 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.280 as previously promised, But just heard us go on about that. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.040 Very that's a very very shaky ground to stand on, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.200 and quite frankly, I mean, in this day and age, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:11.000 just like I don't necessarily know, if let's not even 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.040 un necessarily know, I don't believe that the military has 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:19.080 any intention of actually holding that election because this isn't 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:22.760 I mean, because it's now you know what, who's gonna 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.640 do anything? If they don't, what's the next excuse going 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:31.160 to be? Like, oh, well there's inflation and um, food 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.880 prices skyrocketed, so we took control and we'll we'll do election. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.640 Three rolls around like, well, oh, man, really sucks that 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.840 there's another pandemic or whatever the funk happens, and well, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.440 I guess the whole elections, but we promise, and if 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.400 they I mean, if they don't, what is going to happen? Well, 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.080 the international community is already starting to freak out a 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:59.040 little bit. And this as we'll discuss them, you know soon. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.040 UM might be a part of the conditions underlying previous 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:09.600 successful attempts ye successful attempts UM for the public to 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:14.320 mobilize to depose leaders they didn't approve of. So the 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.080 World Bank called the disbursements for operations since to day 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.480 and last Wednesday in response to the military seazar of power, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.359 and the Biden administration to suspended seven hundred million dollars 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.280 in aid to Sedan in refeliation for the coup, which 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.000 brings us up to now at the time of recording, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.399 the Prime Minister still a detention is staying he'll never 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.119 will really step down. But you've got cap you've got 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.320 a you know, labor strikes, you've got capital strikes, and 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:44.360 the part of international uh, the you know, world governments, etcetera. Um, 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.280 so the amounting pressure against the military leaders that are 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.359 taken over. But what to me it's really interesting about 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.639 this is that the toppling of regime after regime to 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.159 Mary and then Alba Shir, not possibly the military that 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.840 has taken over. Um all of these regime changes have 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.880 come about through mass, non violent demonstrations by the people. Sure, 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.440 they've been violent revolutionary struggles in Pseudanese history. You know, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.840 in nineteen three an armed guerrilla movement operating out of 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.920 bases in Eritrea was launch but failed to provoke a 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.520 more widespread popular uprising, and it was suspended two thousand 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.120 and six, and then later in two thirteen, protesters turned 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.719 violent during um civilis direction during that year, but they 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:34.200 got crushed within days and scores of civilians died. And 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.120 then in two thousand nineteen the people rose up peacefully 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.800 and power transfer. So just like that isn't other thing 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.879 that It's baffling to me having just lived through the 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:49.400 biggest um uprising in American history last summer and having 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.960 seen nothing change as a result. Effectively, how the fuck 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:59.000 is this possible? And it's something like that possible here, 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.480 like could like if we had if we had like 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:08.400 mass mobilization density enough such that we could change things 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.360 in a large scale for real. I mean, I think 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.159 that we could if we had large enough. But I 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.760 think in the case of Sudan, you know, there's there's 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.240 just a number of factors, Like for one, you can't 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:25.200 underestimate the motherfucker's just tired of war, man, you know 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.440 what I mean? Like the two thousand and six is 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.800 two thousand six seems like a long time ago. There 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.720 was a long time ago, but it really isn't that 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.480 long ago. And when you've got like serious, like national 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.080 traumas that are going on a show like that. So 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.399 from that perspective, they just had genocide going on like 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.840 just the other day, you know what I mean, like 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.840 her relative standpoint of like two thousand six. So from that, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:54.720 I'm pretty sure that that weighed. However, these things are calculated, 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.240 I'm pretty sure that weighs heavily on people in terms 0:19:58.280 --> 0:19:59.520 of like, hey, we're gonna get out in the street, 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.119 We're gonna it to us. We don't like this government. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.600 But at the same time, ain't nobody's trying to go 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.960 through another like ten years of your bloody civil wards. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.040 You're like that, But you know, it's like knock on 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.440 wood that that was able to happen if it but 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.639 those revolutions were able to happen peacefully, I don't know 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.240 exactly how they did it. Well, let's look at a 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.600 few major forces that were going to find at least 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:22.880 in the two thousand nineteen overthrow of all this year, 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:29.560 so international state chanction, international sanctions, further crippling and already 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.560 precarious economy. You've got disaffected you who feel they have 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.400 nothing to lose, So take into the streets and mass 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.960 like suck it. Um. You have protests all over the 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:43.200 country with diverse class and ethnic participation. UM. Because there's 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.240 a long history of civil disobedience and violent classes of 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:50.040 the military. People have also learned new tactics as a 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.120 result of their mistakes. So when one's protesters would build 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:57.119 barricades and face off with soldiers from behind them, um, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.960 and to that's nine. And they learned to build barricade 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.960 and run, um to frustrate the military's efforts navigating around 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.760 the city while also reducing some civilian casualties. And they 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.920 build these barricades in the middle of the street or 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.320 something like that, and then take off running. So they're 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.080 like when the tanks roll up or whatever, people standing 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.360 in front of it, Yeah, to just get sucking annihilated 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.760 by the Yeah. Who else we got. We got the 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.119 Studentese Professional Association, which is an alliance of trade unions 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:28.320 leading the calls for general strikes and mass civil disobedience, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:33.160 which I think is something that we definitely could build upon. Here. 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.320 I think there, well, you know we just exited where 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.800 they were calling strictobers your workers on strike. Uh A 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.359 was a do a w um I A c with 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:49.560 the you know, for the what you call Hollywood motherfucker's 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.159 you know what I'm saying, what you know what? What's 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.199 the formal start? People who work on sets, etcetera. Almost 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:58.160 went on strike. Kellogg's all these people going on strike. 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.800 And so this recently in a resurgence and interest in 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.960 labor organizing as like a locust of power for the 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.920 working class. But it's still not enough for us to 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.080 have the same impact as something like the student needs 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.760 a professional association, I would say. And that like they 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.560 were like, yo, what's going down? And like the doctors 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.560 were striking, and the pilots were striking, and the shops 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:20.320 were all closed. Everyone's like, I am be doing this 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:28.280 because someone with that sort of credibility and um connection 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:32.879 to people's lives like called upon you know, let's do this, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.560 and people you know he did the call, so you 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.560 got that um. Yet people coming together to swerve on 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.560 attempts to divide and conquer along regional lines, which getting 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.640 back to the United States, like I tried to think 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:49.800 of an of a scenario in which the left and 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:51.960 right would be united. It's because like you know, the 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:54.560 same way the North and South and Sudan not the 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:59.480 same way, but parallels to there's tensions along like religious 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.840 and regional lines, but they all were like they all 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.680 dropped the beats to be like nah, fuck alba shere 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.720 we're taking this the same with bublic out um and 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.760 so trying to imagine scenario which here people put aside 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.960 those differences to be like you know what, nah, we 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:21.359 are we are standing up against Well, I think it 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.560 has to. I think in order for something like that 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:28.520 to go down here, everybody would like a lot of 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.440 people at the same time would have to realize that 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.040 they have like a vested interest in getting out in 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.560 the street like that. You know. It's just like I 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:39.800 don't think we have that yet, even with what we 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:44.600 experienced last was last summer summer, Even with what we 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:49.960 experienced last summer, I don't think that Americans have viewed 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.920 their situation in that prison yet, you know, now, like 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:59.320 a hypothetical situation that I think could have caused something 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:01.880 like that. And this is something that I don't think 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:05.400 that like right wingers and g O peers are really 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:10.359 considering themselves. But like if if the election had gone 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.879 down last time, right, let's say the election gone like 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.280 went down and all the stuff that we're finding out 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.639 in the aftermath of Trump being out of office about oh, 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:20.280 he tried to do this, and he tried to do that, 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:21.760