1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to Waiting on Reparations, a production of 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. That is happening everybody. My name's Dope 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Knife Franca. We are waiting on reparations. Please don't waste 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: my time. How are you doing today, man, I'm good. 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm a little bummed out. Just you know, we got 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: the results of the Virginia gubernatorial election. Yo. I literally 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: tweeted out. I tweeted out today the election day. It's 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: like magic in the air. It feels like Christmas Eve, 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: only I also want to throw up and cry every 10 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: time it's like, oh, maybe this is the time that 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: like that, you know, we really take power. And then actually, no, 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: it's the opposite person, the opposite Yeah, I mean it's 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. At the time of recording, 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: New Jersey governor is not looking well either. Oh, the 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey governor is not looking at What about New York? 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's the governor of New York. Album 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: that's up right now? Or may or whatever like that? Mayor? Oh, well, 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: that was a foregone conclusion. Some what what's his name, 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: Eric Adams? Well, the Democratic primary. I thought that there 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: was some risk with all the anti vax protests stuff though, No, 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: it's fucking overblown those anything. Yeah, I don't know, this 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: is you know, I don't you know, I'm not like 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: a political expert or anything, but this doesn't avode well 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: for the Democrats come to mid terms. Um well, I 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: mean not passing broadly popular policies. It's bad. Like they 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: gotta they definitely got a succession or this is going 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: to keep happening. I think I think it's like a 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: cornucopia like bad situations, kind of like you know, leading 29 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: into each other. I think on one hand, there is 30 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, the aspect that the Democrats can govern more 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: effectively and show a little more backbone and again, like 32 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: you said, like past these popular policies, but then you 33 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: know we can't front. But like a lot of this 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: is based on Republican stupid ship too, you know what 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean. Like, at least in Virginia, a lot of 36 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: people we're saying that they fell for the critical race 37 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: theory ruse, and they're concerned about education. The Virginia race 38 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: swung like thirty points in like in eight days. Yeah, 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: well yeah, yeah, shout out to our friends at the 40 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: fucking Lincoln Projects getting it all involved for listeners that 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: may not be aware. But again, project again, it's like 42 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of little things, you know what I'm saying, Like, man, 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: I think that like what is going on with how 44 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: effectively the right the Republicans are whipping up not just 45 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: their base but beyond their base into a froth about 46 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: these cultural issues. I don't know. I think I think 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: it plays more of a bigger role than than people 48 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: are given credit for, because like Republicans do not care 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: about policy progressives do you know what I mean? Like 50 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: like like progressives are sitting out here talking about policies 51 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, what what tax bracket is 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: this gonna be in? And where's this desk will gonna 53 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: be and stuff like that. In Conservatives are not thinking 54 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: about that ship at all. They're they're oh, Tony Morrison, Yes, 55 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: I said, we gotta get to the polls right now. 56 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean, and then you know, centrist stay at home, 57 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: the left stay at home either, you know, for there 58 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: are separate reasons. Imaginably, Okay, I'm imagining that this is 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: what happened. Liberals were like, well, we oh, Joe Biden's president. 60 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: We wanted to send it hooray. We don't worry about ship, 61 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: stay at home. The left just this, what's it disaffected by, 62 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: like the lack of action by the bride An administration, 63 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: the fact that he was even in our presidential candidate 64 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: at all. Everybody say, so, they're so on both sides there, 65 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: see the folks that gave up because I thought they 66 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: we had one and everything was fine and they no 67 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: longer needed. And then the other side that like stop 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: stopped playing the game, like we don't want to play 69 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: this gamemore, there's no way to actually win in the system. 70 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: And here we are. So I don't know. I mean, 71 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be tricky. It's gonna be 72 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: tricky because I I just don't think I don't know, 73 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: I just don't think that like as the Republicans start 74 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: to take back power and stuff like that. I think 75 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: that we're gonna like we're gonna experience ship that Texas 76 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: is experiencing right now, Like they're gonna start doing stuff 77 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: that's going to have like actual tangible like effect on 78 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: all of our lives and stuff like that. So, I mean, 79 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: it's just gonna be down to what, you know, what 80 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: people prioritize, you know, what I'm saying. I'm not gonna 81 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: be sitting around in about a year when like they 82 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: implement nationwide stopping frisk you know what I'm saying, and 83 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 1: some cops pulling me over for some no reason asking 84 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: me for my papers and ship like that. I'm not 85 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: gonna be sitting there and being like, oh, man, if 86 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: only the Democrats had run somebody that I like, you 87 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like if people, I mean, 88 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: hey again, I don't I hate doing like the disclaimers 89 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: of other Democrats are trash, because we all know the 90 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: Democrats are trash, but the other guys are clearly worse. 91 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: And it's just like if it's not if the ship 92 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: that they're doing without motivation enough to at least be like, yeah, 93 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: they can't get back in power, then I don't know. 94 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I'm saying. I don't 95 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: know where we're gonna I don't know where we're going 96 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: to be in a year and a half. I'm like, 97 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: legit worried in that stuff. Yeah, well, good news. What's 98 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: good tonight? I just got off a commission meeting. We're 99 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: recording this and like midnight because I just spent five 100 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: and a half hours, UM, listen to public comment from 101 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: the local gop and on one side and liberals and 102 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: prograsses on the other with regards to a public safety 103 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: Civilian overside board, which we eventually passed unanimously, which was great. UM, 104 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: And so yeah, we'll have civilians weighing in on operations 105 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: of and complaints against not only the police department, but 106 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office, UM, the probation office. And so does 107 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: broad civilian oversight into policing, which is not gonna like 108 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: totally changed the game, but given the fact that like 109 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: many cities, unfortunately too many cities, we had passed zero 110 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: like meaningful criminal justice anything in the aftermath of the uprisings, Yeah, 111 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 1: it's like, yo, it's been a year and a half 112 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: and we're finally doing the bare minimum. But finally we're 113 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: doing something, you know, So that that was cool. We 114 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: gotta take our victories a week, I take our do 115 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: take our dubs where we can, Gotta take them where 116 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: we can. So what are we getting into today? So 117 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: today we're actually gonna just completely leave these terrible United 118 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: States behind us and skip across the pond to Sudan, 119 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: where last week there's a military coon, you know, part 120 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: of a long history of UM military takeovers and popular 121 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: uprisings in the country of Sudan. So we're gonna talk 122 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: a little bit about that UM when we come back. 123 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: So we're back. Last week, Sudanese military officials started rounding 124 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: up high ranking elected it's including the Prime Minister of Sudan. 125 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: UM dissolved the joint Civilian military military like governing board 126 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: at the top of the government. And we're pretty much like, yeah, 127 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: the ships are us now, and the people weren't fucking 128 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: stamped about it. For some reason, UM start taking to 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: the streets, UH strikes and sid ins all across the country. 130 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: But this is not the first time that this has 131 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: happened Sudan. So let's take, oh, listener's a little bit 132 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: back to what these struggles may have started. Sudan was 133 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: colonized by the British from the eighteen nineties up until 134 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: about midway through the twentieth century. After World War One, 135 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: the Sudanese nationalism movement picked up, with the British finally 136 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: granting autonomy to the Sudanese people in nineteen fifty three. 137 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: The fairy tale ending the end all you need to know. 138 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: Just kidding, UM, there's a civil war conflict from nine 139 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: three to two thousand five in the country between the 140 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: Central Studanese government and the Sudan People's Liberation I mean 141 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: whis the guerilla movement. Um. It was largely a continuation 142 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: of the First Sudanese Civil War from nineteen fifty five 143 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: to nineteen seventy two. Because you have these conflict lasted 144 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: about twenty two years. Is one of the longest civil 145 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: wars on record. UM. SO. The are a resulted independence 146 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: for salth Studan six years after the war ended. Um 147 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: a social so a socialist by the name of Gafar Nimrim. 148 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: I think, I think, I I feel really good about 149 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: that now. But they were a socialist that served as 150 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: president from nineteen sixty nine up until nineteen eighty five, 151 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: during which time he eased factional tensions between northern and 152 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Central and Southern Sudan. But he was overthrown by his 153 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: defense minister a while in the United States and five, 154 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: giving room for al Bashar to take power, which he 155 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: continued to hold on for thirty years. And are sorry 156 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: every country I lived at Senegal, I believe, but when 157 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: I lived there the president had been president for like 158 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: twenty years. Cameroon was the same sort of thing. Yeah, 159 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: So albas here he was the dictator um Up Sudan 160 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: up until about two years ago. So let's ask forward 161 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: December ten. There's widespread protests against poverty, corruption and unemployment 162 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: um first in the northeast region of that Bara and 163 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: then within days spread to the capital of Khartoum. All 164 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: across the country. People started calling for all the year 165 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: who had led the nation's military leadership. Yeah, thirty years. 166 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: He staped down because he had been wanted by the 167 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: International Criminal Court over charges of jennificide, war crimes and 168 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: crimes against humanity in the two thousand three Darfur conflict, 169 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: which killed three hundred and three thousand, three d people. 170 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: Thousand people. Yeah, that's like who got new numbers. Then 171 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: in April nineteen, the military disposed of albus here Uh, 172 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: suspended the country's constitution, They closed the borders and the airspace, 173 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: and they imposed a three month state of emergency. So 174 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: thousands of protesters occupied the front of the front of 175 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: the army headquarters. After that, they demanded civilian rule in 176 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: the military government brutally crackdown on all the protests that 177 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: was in front of their headquarters in June and they 178 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: killed dozens doing it. So since the overthrow of Omar 179 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: al Bashir, the transitional government UM was composed of civilians 180 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: and military are working together under the leadership of the 181 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: new Prime Minister of dalahom Duck to move the country 182 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: toward democratic elections. Three. There's been all you know, the 183 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: fucking military to swoop it in like, oh, we're gonna 184 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: put you in power, and now we're gonna take you out. 185 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna put this guy and I'm gonna take 186 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: him out. So trying to move towards actual democracy two 187 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: thousands of three. What's the goal? Is the goal? We'll 188 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: see power sharing between the military and civilians have been 189 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: concreasingly strained because there was a lot of debate over 190 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: whether to send al Bashir and others to the I C. 191 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: C UM, you know, to be tried for their alleged 192 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: atrocities and darfer so off the bat, what is what 193 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: are your initial thoughts about all this so far? I 194 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: mean I just from you know, from like a somewhat 195 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: naive like American perspective, I'm just so fascinated by UM 196 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: the role of the military in like sort of controlling 197 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: the direction of the government and countries that aren't ours. Um, 198 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: because like I guess when he were like our closest 199 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: modern day brush with an attempt to cop you know, 200 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: Genuoy said question to the election last year, people asking like, oh, well, 201 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, people in military love Trump. You know, oh, 202 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: the police of Trump. Whatever. What if they try to 203 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: align with him and and Mike you know upholds or 204 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, try to throughout the election results whatever, and 205 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: like said the country to sense into martial law or something. Um, 206 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: they kind that wasn't the case. And so just contrasting 207 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: that with our own circumstances and just like what makes 208 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: what makes it different? What makes it different? Is the 209 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: question that like really I don't know took up my 210 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: brain as I learned more about I'm not sure what 211 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: makes it different. Um. I know that this isn't necessarily 212 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: the first time that the sort of template has gone 213 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: down in Africa, just in the sense of like military 214 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: or guerrilla factions kind of taking on that sort of 215 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: role where it's like, oh, if the civilian government is 216 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: either corrupt or doing something that we don't like, that 217 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: we're going to swoop in and take them out of power, 218 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: and then we'll give power back to the people after 219 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: we're done. I mean, like that that concept, you know, 220 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: and I don't even imagine that that's like something that's 221 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 1: exclusive to Africa, but that's something that growing up, I've 222 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: heard about that sort of thing happening all the time. 223 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: The only problem is that the military usually doesn't it 224 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: doesn't end up giving power to the power back. And 225 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: that's that's I guess where the true danger of it 226 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: comes in, you know, So like like from one and 227 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: from one end, it is kind of like fascinating because 228 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: it's like, damn, you know, it was cool that they 229 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: they looked at the situation and they were like, Okay, 230 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: we don't think that this is working out. There's this 231 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: dictator in power, or this guy has been in power 232 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: too long, or whatever the reason is. It's fascinating that 233 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: they the military is like a completely separate entity and 234 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But in most cases there's usually somebody 235 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: who's behind there who's looking at it as a power 236 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: vacuum grab, you know. Yeah, I mean the only other 237 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: thing I can think of is that like the concentration 238 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: of capital in the United States and that like really, 239 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's an oligarchy in the sense of like 240 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, billionaires own congress, on all the means of production, 241 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: own everything, and so there's like that there's like greater 242 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: stability that comes with that. Not in a good way. 243 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: It's like it's so um the power is so entrenched 244 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: of like people trying to uphold this order so that 245 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: folks can so the billionaires can continue to get richer. 246 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: Is perhaps a key difference that I could identify. But um, 247 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: let's see, so where we where where do we? So? Okay, 248 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: we're caught up a present day. Yeah, so then just 249 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: a week ago, we're getting back to Sudan. Now, just 250 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: a week ago, the Sudanese military dissolve the transitional government 251 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: and started rounding up and detaining high ranking government officials, 252 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: including the Prime Minister. Now, in the wake of this 253 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: latest coups, strikes and civil disobedience broken out again, particularly 254 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: heavily concentrated in the capital of cartoon workers at state 255 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: oil company uh Suda pet joined pilots from Sudan Airways 256 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: Badar and Tarco Airlines, doctors across the country and striking 257 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: until the government is back in civilian hands. The military 258 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: leaders are still saying they planned to hold elections in 259 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: as previously promised, But just heard us go on about that. 260 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: Very that's a very very shaky ground to stand on, 261 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I mean, in this day and age, 262 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: just like I don't necessarily know, if let's not even 263 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: un necessarily know, I don't believe that the military has 264 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: any intention of actually holding that election because this isn't 265 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: I mean, because it's now you know what, who's gonna 266 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: do anything? If they don't, what's the next excuse going 267 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: to be? Like, oh, well there's inflation and um, food 268 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: prices skyrocketed, so we took control and we'll we'll do election. 269 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: Three rolls around like, well, oh, man, really sucks that 270 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: there's another pandemic or whatever the funk happens, and well, 271 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: I guess the whole elections, but we promise, and if 272 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: they I mean, if they don't, what is going to happen? Well, 273 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: the international community is already starting to freak out a 274 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: little bit. And this as we'll discuss them, you know soon. 275 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: UM might be a part of the conditions underlying previous 276 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: successful attempts ye successful attempts UM for the public to 277 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: mobilize to depose leaders they didn't approve of. So the 278 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: World Bank called the disbursements for operations since to day 279 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: and last Wednesday in response to the military seazar of power, 280 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: and the Biden administration to suspended seven hundred million dollars 281 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: in aid to Sedan in refeliation for the coup, which 282 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: brings us up to now at the time of recording, 283 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister still a detention is staying he'll never 284 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: will really step down. But you've got cap you've got 285 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: a you know, labor strikes, you've got capital strikes, and 286 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: the part of international uh, the you know, world governments, etcetera. Um, 287 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: so the amounting pressure against the military leaders that are 288 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: taken over. But what to me it's really interesting about 289 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: this is that the toppling of regime after regime to 290 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: Mary and then Alba Shir, not possibly the military that 291 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: has taken over. Um all of these regime changes have 292 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: come about through mass, non violent demonstrations by the people. Sure, 293 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: they've been violent revolutionary struggles in Pseudanese history. You know, 294 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen three an armed guerrilla movement operating out of 295 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: bases in Eritrea was launch but failed to provoke a 296 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: more widespread popular uprising, and it was suspended two thousand 297 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: and six, and then later in two thirteen, protesters turned 298 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 1: violent during um civilis direction during that year, but they 299 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: got crushed within days and scores of civilians died. And 300 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: then in two thousand nineteen the people rose up peacefully 301 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: and power transfer. So just like that isn't other thing 302 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: that It's baffling to me having just lived through the 303 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: biggest um uprising in American history last summer and having 304 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: seen nothing change as a result. Effectively, how the fuck 305 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: is this possible? And it's something like that possible here, 306 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: like could like if we had if we had like 307 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: mass mobilization density enough such that we could change things 308 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: in a large scale for real. I mean, I think 309 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: that we could if we had large enough. But I 310 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: think in the case of Sudan, you know, there's there's 311 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: just a number of factors, Like for one, you can't 312 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: underestimate the motherfucker's just tired of war, man, you know 313 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like the two thousand and six is 314 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: two thousand six seems like a long time ago. There 315 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: was a long time ago, but it really isn't that 316 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: long ago. And when you've got like serious, like national 317 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: traumas that are going on a show like that. So 318 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: from that perspective, they just had genocide going on like 319 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: just the other day, you know what I mean, like 320 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: her relative standpoint of like two thousand six. So from that, 321 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that that weighed. However, these things are calculated, 322 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that weighs heavily on people in terms 323 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: of like, hey, we're gonna get out in the street, 324 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: We're gonna it to us. We don't like this government. 325 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: But at the same time, ain't nobody's trying to go 326 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: through another like ten years of your bloody civil wards. 327 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: You're like that, But you know, it's like knock on 328 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: wood that that was able to happen if it but 329 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: those revolutions were able to happen peacefully, I don't know 330 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: exactly how they did it. Well, let's look at a 331 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: few major forces that were going to find at least 332 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: in the two thousand nineteen overthrow of all this year, 333 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: so international state chanction, international sanctions, further crippling and already 334 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: precarious economy. You've got disaffected you who feel they have 335 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: nothing to lose, So take into the streets and mass 336 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: like suck it. Um. You have protests all over the 337 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: country with diverse class and ethnic participation. UM. Because there's 338 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: a long history of civil disobedience and violent classes of 339 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: the military. People have also learned new tactics as a 340 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: result of their mistakes. So when one's protesters would build 341 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: barricades and face off with soldiers from behind them, um, 342 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: and to that's nine. And they learned to build barricade 343 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: and run, um to frustrate the military's efforts navigating around 344 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: the city while also reducing some civilian casualties. And they 345 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: build these barricades in the middle of the street or 346 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: something like that, and then take off running. So they're 347 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: like when the tanks roll up or whatever, people standing 348 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: in front of it, Yeah, to just get sucking annihilated 349 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: by the Yeah. Who else we got. We got the 350 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: Studentese Professional Association, which is an alliance of trade unions 351 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: leading the calls for general strikes and mass civil disobedience, 352 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: which I think is something that we definitely could build upon. Here. 353 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: I think there, well, you know we just exited where 354 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: they were calling strictobers your workers on strike. Uh A 355 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: was a do a w um I A c with 356 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: the you know, for the what you call Hollywood motherfucker's 357 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, what you know what? What's 358 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: the formal start? People who work on sets, etcetera. Almost 359 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: went on strike. Kellogg's all these people going on strike. 360 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: And so this recently in a resurgence and interest in 361 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: labor organizing as like a locust of power for the 362 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: working class. But it's still not enough for us to 363 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: have the same impact as something like the student needs 364 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: a professional association, I would say. And that like they 365 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: were like, yo, what's going down? And like the doctors 366 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: were striking, and the pilots were striking, and the shops 367 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: were all closed. Everyone's like, I am be doing this 368 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: because someone with that sort of credibility and um connection 369 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: to people's lives like called upon you know, let's do this, 370 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: and people you know he did the call, so you 371 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: got that um. Yet people coming together to swerve on 372 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: attempts to divide and conquer along regional lines, which getting 373 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: back to the United States, like I tried to think 374 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: of an of a scenario in which the left and 375 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: right would be united. It's because like you know, the 376 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: same way the North and South and Sudan not the 377 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: same way, but parallels to there's tensions along like religious 378 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: and regional lines, but they all were like they all 379 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: dropped the beats to be like nah, fuck alba shere 380 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: we're taking this the same with bublic out um and 381 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: so trying to imagine scenario which here people put aside 382 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: those differences to be like you know what, nah, we 383 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: are we are standing up against Well, I think it 384 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: has to. I think in order for something like that 385 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: to go down here, everybody would like a lot of 386 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: people at the same time would have to realize that 387 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: they have like a vested interest in getting out in 388 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: the street like that. You know. It's just like I 389 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: don't think we have that yet, even with what we 390 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: experienced last was last summer summer, Even with what we 391 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: experienced last summer, I don't think that Americans have viewed 392 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: their situation in that prison yet, you know, now, like 393 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: a hypothetical situation that I think could have caused something 394 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: like that. And this is something that I don't think 395 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: that like right wingers and g O peers are really 396 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: considering themselves. But like if if the election had gone 397 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: down last time, right, let's say the election gone like 398 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: went down and all the stuff that we're finding out 399 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: in the aftermath of Trump being out of office about oh, 400 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: he tried to do this, and he tried to do that, 401 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: and they tried to steal it this way, and he 402 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: tried to stay in that way. Like what if that 403 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: stuff had happened and that like now we're sitting here, 404 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: That's what I mean, Like all this like right wing 405 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: should is all projection. Everything that they say, they say 406 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: because that's like actually what they want to do, you know. 407 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: So like we've been spending the last year, they've been 408 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: talking about, oh, the election was stolen. The election was stolen. 409 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: The election was stolen. That's because that's the ship that 410 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: they want to do. They want to like steal an election. 411 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: Because I guarantee you, if like I mean whatever polls say, 412 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: if a majority of these Republicans really, really, truly, truly 413 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: in their heart of hearts, I thought that Donald Trump won, 414 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: they would be that like January six would be every 415 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: day everywhere nationwide. They would not stop they like you 416 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean, there there would be no there 417 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: would be no like wishy washenis that they're having and 418 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: could the convenience of when they want to be outraged 419 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: and mad about it, and when they don't want to 420 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: be outor so just have hypothetical situation. The election goes down, 421 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Trump is like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying in office. 422 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: They do a bunch of smoke and mirrors legallys to 423 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: like try to pass it off as like, yeah, this 424 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: is what this is what's going on now. I think 425 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: that would be a situation where you create it and 426 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: you look and you're you're like, oh my goodness, Americans 427 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: are just out in the street. There's there you know 428 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: what I mean. There's there's monerance, There's there's conservatives who 429 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: don't like this, There's liberals don't like this, there's progressives 430 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: don't like this. This is just people will not stand 431 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: for this. The you know, I think something like that 432 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: is what could bring bring about that sort of thing 433 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: in the US. Barring that, barring us getting to the 434 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: brink of like democracy not working. We've talked about this 435 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: millions of times. There's just there's just too much comfort 436 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: in America to like elicit that sort of reaction out 437 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: of the populace. I think, unless like the situation is 438 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: obviously dire. Yeah, Well, there's a couple of other notable. 439 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: I think conditions in these in these uprisings that um 440 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: are worth discussing briefly. You've got strong female leadership in 441 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: the streets. What's sad? I think that also somewhat mirrors 442 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: what we saw here last summer of like black women 443 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: kind of like leading the thing. So how do you 444 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: think that affects it? Um? I just feel like there's 445 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: something I don't I don't not to be biased, but 446 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: like nurturing about like female leadership of just like's not 447 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: a bear on the streets get fired up, like oh honey, 448 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: do you need a t shoot or whatever? Women just 449 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: care about stuff more and when you're when you whatever, 450 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: you're like working in like any sort of like a 451 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: I don't want to say like a creative endeavor, but 452 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: like just like any sort of like task sort of endeavor. 453 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like like women care 454 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: more about the tasks that they do than men. Do 455 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? To feel like that, it's 456 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: like I don't like the way this is going. Fuck it, 457 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Women runsh it around here. 458 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: I mean like in my political organizing, I was always 459 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: found that like ladies, kids, should done. You do. I 460 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: don't know what it is. It's a beautiful thing. But 461 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: one of the last um I think pieces of you know, 462 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: layers to the success of these popular uprising since then 463 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: is that it is the choice of peaceful protests and 464 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: ins and strikes which makes it difficult for the regime 465 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: to depict the movement in a negative light and non 466 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: violence when met with say violence, drumming up sympathy for 467 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: the cause that brought more and more people into the streets. 468 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: They see images of like innocent people getting gunned down 469 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: by military forces and they're like, you know, let's fark that, Like, oh, 470 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: look how peaceful they are. They have a little dance 471 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: party because I heard, you know, reading reports of the 472 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: atmosphere at some of these protests. You know, they got DJs, 473 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: they got people on the Street's kind of like I've 474 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: been having a good time, you know, seeing that spirit 475 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: not even you know, stay violence aside and being like, 476 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be a part of that, 477 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: as opposed to I mean, this is this is just 478 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: a neutral just reporting, not taking aside on it here, 479 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: but as opposed to like here where like there was 480 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, Antifa fucking bashing in the windows of the 481 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: Chase Bank or whatever, you know, being people like, oh 482 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: how dare they they're you know, I don't want to 483 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: be a part of that mess, and uh not, it 484 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: is somewhat diluting the message that they're they're in, the message, 485 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: in the power, the draw of the movement itself. So 486 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: you also got a factor in how restraint the forces 487 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: that you're going against our you know what I'm saying. 488 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know if it's has the 489 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: Internet or like the boddered times that we're in or 490 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: because like some of these regimes are like getting softer 491 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: and their old day just some ship like that. But 492 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: I've personally been kind of surprised at some of the 493 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: rest you know what I'm saying, Like for all the 494 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: cracking down that they did on the on the uprising 495 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote here, it could have been worse, you know 496 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And like like the protests and like 497 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: the protests in Taiwan, Like I just feel like if 498 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: this was like the eighties, I really don't think China 499 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: will be sucking around with these kids, like like I 500 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: think they would really be going to like coming down 501 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: to them, like real soup, like harder than they're coming 502 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: down on them now, like the protests in Haiti and 503 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: stuff that that's going on, Like when we're talking about 504 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: that same sort of things, like I feel like, damn, 505 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: if this was like the early nineties and the eighties, 506 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: would they really be letting these well, you know, would 507 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: they be really letting the protests go on like this? 508 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: Like like would they, you know, with the student with 509 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: the military, the Sudanese military, if this was two thousand two, 510 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: be like as restrained as they are right now. And 511 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what I wonder if there is that because 512 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: of internet and social media or is that another factor 513 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: that's that's a bluff with that mm hmm, Like are they, 514 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: like our regimes more concerned in the in modern times 515 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: about how they look and how things like that like 516 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: cracking down and just emptying machine guns into a crowd 517 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: of protesters. Are they more concerned with like, hey, that's 518 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: not a good look, don't know? Yeah, Actually, the more 519 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: the more I think on it, definitely that they can't 520 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: do as I community because people everyone's watching, you know, 521 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: through their camera phones, and then whoever it's watching on 522 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: the other side start like a multi country second protests. 523 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a little break anyway. Anyway, I mean 524 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: the way these lecture results are going. Man, I don't know. 525 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what else I'm supposed to do. Bro, 526 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't want Granny to have to be able to 527 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: afford dentures and ship, Bro, I didn't ask for all this. 528 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you what do you think 529 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna What do you think? What do you think 530 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen? In two thousand two? Two thousand two? 531 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: Space is gonna be? That's going to happen? Oh no, man, 532 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: we can do a whole separate episode on that show. 533 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see. I like to have hope, you know, 534 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: optimism of the pastimism of the intellect, optimism of the will. 535 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like hopefully this will be 536 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: a wake up call, that's what That's what you know. 537 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: People would be like, oh, ship chocked out of there, 538 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, complacency on one side, or like to making 539 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: up more of your stance and the other I'm like, well, 540 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: I guess the best we can do is defeat fascism 541 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: and like, you know, get back involved. If they had 542 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: fallen out because they were not blues with the way 543 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 1: things are going. M well, well let's I'll just if 544 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Democrats want to win, they just need to parade Texas, 545 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: like keep that in the forefront of everybody who had that. Look. 546 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: You need to not to turn the country into Texas. 547 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: And then you need a little bit of this stick, 548 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of the carrot. You gotta give the 549 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: people some material, you know, uplift, pass some bold you know, 550 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 1: social spending that will make people's last material be better. Um, 551 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: because if they're already living in misery, threatening them with 552 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: more misery, they might just be like fucking brand On, 553 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care about anything. Everything is 554 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: terrible as it is. Make it, make Georgia Texas for 555 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: all I fucking care. You know, you can't. You can't 556 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: threaten people if they're already at what they perceived to 557 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: be their lowest. Give him something good. You're not robbed, 558 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: you're you're not wronged, you're not wrong at all. Like 559 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: thinking about this like for like uh, like young working class, 560 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: like you know, work sixty hours a week, Like I 561 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: don't know, grocery bagger here in Georgia that like six 562 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: roommates to pay the rent, you know, maybe got they 563 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: got kids, they got student loans whatever, like to them, 564 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: abortion is already like functionally illegal, and that like they 565 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: can't afford it, They can't get off work to go, 566 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: they can't afford child care to go and get the procedure. 567 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: They you know, might go to a crisis pregnancy center 568 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: and get told misinformation about it, and then I got 569 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: the adiyada, Like it's already functionally inaccessible to that person. 570 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: So to tell them that, oh now we're gonna make 571 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: it like really illegal, it's like fucking what was I 572 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: going to do in the first place. I can't I 573 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: can't afford five hundred dollars at abortion. I can't like 574 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: I can't get time off work. I don't have a car. 575 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: I can't drive three hours to the next the nearest 576 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: abortion clinic. So that's what I mean by like you 577 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: can't scare people with how much worse things could get. 578 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,479 Speaker 1: Things are already so fucking dad for so many people. 579 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: And to illustrate with an endcode and as always like 580 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: you're absolutely not wrong, I mean I I don't. It's 581 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: not so much as like, oh man, how come people 582 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: don't aren't looking at it? In this big picture, macro way, 583 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: because of course it's hard for people to look at 584 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: things and these like long scale like views when everybody's 585 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: like worried about the immediacy of their own lives. And 586 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: that's totally understandable. But at the same time, you know, 587 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: for two cats like us who are talking about it, 588 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like, you know from 589 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: somewhat of a you know, we're having a political conversation 590 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: about it, and one that's like encompassing the long term 591 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: of how the thing goes in I'm I'm thinking about, 592 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: you know, like environmental policy going forward if the wrong 593 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: people are in power. I'm thinking about like just like 594 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years from now with like the civil rights 595 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: movement and slavery being taught less in school than it is. Yeah. Yeah, 596 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about like the most powerful, one of the 597 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: most powerful cultural voices in the country being like, hey, 598 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: trans people are weird, and everyone like you know what 599 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: I'm saying, and having millions and millions of people Yeah, yeah, 600 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: trus people are weird, are you know. I'm it's like 601 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: I think about how these things like are affecting, like 602 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: the long term effect that it's going to have, and 603 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: it's just like from that, you know, it's like I 604 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: understand why nobody is concerned or why people are more 605 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: concerned about what's gonna happened next week than they are 606 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: concerned about what's gonna happen in ten years. I get it. 607 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: But also looking at ten years, it's like, shit, man, 608 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: this is it's not good. It's not good. It's not good. 609 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: You know what is good? Rap music, rap music, musical 610 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,839 Speaker 1: about let's talk about it, all right, let's we're gonna 611 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: get into a music discussion right after the jump. All right, 612 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: part of people, we are back Dope, knife Linger Franco 613 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: waiting our reparations, music discussion time, mother, Yes, and up. 614 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: First we have omarm majeed Um it was the theme 615 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: is almost theme the theme? Okay. So we got a 616 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: mixture of Sudanese hip hop artists and UM and folks 617 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: with the d spora who either draw influence from UM 618 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: you know, the sounds of Africa or who themselves are 619 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: UM you know, the Sudanese American, Sudanese Canadian. I think 620 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: one of these cats is so Proba and some surprising 621 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: names you might not you might not have realized had 622 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: Studentese heritage. Um. But first we're gonna get into, you know, 623 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: some political raps which are our favorites with Omamajied and 624 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: his song with Sudania Sudania I don't know, uh, featuring 625 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: um Gee, Sally at a Proof and a k A Keys. 626 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: So this song it's going in on. He's calling that 627 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 1: the corruption of the Basher administration. Um that goes on 628 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: while people starve and go without medicine. Um, it's just 629 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: as a scathing indictment of the previous regime. So let's 630 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: get a little listen. You've been eating off of Plato, 631 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: you well, fare when they're struggling for prey, putting pullings 632 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: and they're handing it int really matter. They won't say, homie, 633 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: you don't gotta be Yeah. So the music video has 634 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: really graphic depictions of violence against what I presume our 635 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: protesters by the military. Um morning if you look it up. Um, 636 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: but the good hard they just really to call out 637 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: the economic inequality, the people who are hoarding on the goal, 638 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: eating off the platter, you know, sitting pretty um ordering 639 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: the military to go crack down on folks who have nothing. 640 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: Who are you know, going going without basic necessities and 641 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, filling the streets with nothing to lose um 642 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: in you know, in retaliation in response to the deprivation 643 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: that they're living through. So I'm not sure if this 644 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: song came out in twenty nineteen, but it's got it. 645 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: The YouTube video that we're watching from it's it definitely 646 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: has um the same sort of energy and some that 647 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: some of the music that was being made in the 648 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: wake of the George Floyd you know, like that that's 649 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: sort of you know, I'm on the I'm on the 650 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: ground in the thick of the ship, and I'm observing it, 651 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: so I'm writing about it. It has that sort of 652 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: vibe to it, but obviously feels a lot more pressing 653 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: because the stakes in the situation feel a lot more 654 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: are a lot more dire, I would say in the 655 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: video accompanied with it too, like brings that all to home. 656 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: Like Mariah said, it's it's really graphic. It's it's showing, 657 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: you know, the same sort of scenes of protests that 658 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: you would see on the issue if you're watching the news, 659 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: but because it's you know, music video, they're afforded the 660 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: ability to show you like the real effects of the violence. 661 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: So instead of you just hearing oh, some the police 662 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 1: cracked down and some protesters and twelve of them died. 663 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: The video is actually showing you dead protesters and stuff 664 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: like that, so you could put faces to it. And yeah, 665 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: also on like an aesthetic note with regards to the rhemen, 666 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: the bars the bars are good. Oh yeah, first verse, 667 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: the first verse, No that stays stays, yeah, stays clean 668 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: throughout the big shout out to Omama GI. Up. Next, 669 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: we've got Sudanese American rapper Odyssey. Did you know honestly 670 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: what Sudanese? Yes, I did, honestly, not always honestly Sudanese. 671 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: But he's also from DC too, so it's like apparently, yeah, 672 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: apparently a lot of Sudanese and other African communities up there. Um. 673 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's with Melo Music Group. And in this 674 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: song You Grew Up off of his album The Iceberg, 675 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: he tackles the experiences of being you know, in Africa, 676 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,760 Speaker 1: sport in America. Um. His born name is Amir Muhammad 677 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: al Khalifa. He's the son of a Sudanese father an 678 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: African American mother. Grew up like I said in selfistream 679 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: Maryland um. And in the song he discusses growing up, 680 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: growing apart from a white childhood friend who blames his 681 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: father for sealing his job. Let's listen to this song 682 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: by Odyssey. You grew up the mob was aless what 683 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,479 Speaker 1: in the mid western tent wouldn't were a many brown people. 684 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: You can see reflection get picked going. I mean, I 685 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: really like, I feel like it's a it's a unique 686 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: like it's not unique but underutilized UM format, like the 687 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: narrative structure and a rap song. And I think here 688 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: is a great example. He tells a really interesting story, 689 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, painting a picture of his um working class childhood, 690 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: going to six Flags and hanging out UM with his 691 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: little best friend. And then it's interesting like class wise, 692 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: I think this is like a much interesting, very interesting, 693 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: broader commentary. So class wise he identified that he was 694 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: both working class trying to make it out of hood UM, 695 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: and they talked about being best friends despite they were 696 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: different colors. UM. But then his like the influence of 697 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: his parents. He played my father for the loss of 698 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: his job. He said, immigrants robs and this his jobs 699 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: and I better never set foot again in his yard. Um. 700 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: You know, let's this is this is essentially what happens 701 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: if we're just to add like some poetic license. Essentially, 702 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: he's telling the story of this childhood friend who he had, 703 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: who was a white dude, and as they grew older, 704 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,240 Speaker 1: pretty much his friend kind of falls down the maga 705 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: maga or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's like he's got this 706 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: part where he says, uh, have you ever had a 707 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: friend become a fanatic? Most of y'all haven't, but if 708 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: you ever did, you'd understand the one thing that they 709 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: have in common that somebody took advantage of their damage 710 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: as a kid, Like you know, yeah, I didn't think 711 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: about that part. I was looking at like, oh, this 712 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 1: divine conquer thing of Like they're both working class, but oh, 713 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: I gotta blame someone for the loss of my job, 714 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: so I'll blame the African immigrant rather than blame like 715 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: the CEO of that shipped that job overseas actually, or 716 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: is you know, undercutting wages to pay immigrants last to 717 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: exploit them and they're both actually getting fucked. Yeah. He 718 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: goes on to say, got picked on in school during lectures, 719 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: graduated hating everybody in his class. Picked on because uh 720 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: now he's talking about himself, and picked on because he 721 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: prayed to because he prayed it five to the east 722 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: and he didn't get didn't eat meat. That all I said, 723 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: it was bad. One day a man approached them in 724 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: a mosque changed his life when he asked him a question, 725 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: do you ever feel your life is? Your life was 726 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: a loss? And what if I could teach you that 727 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: life is a weapon, that's fine? Oh yeah, no, don't 728 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: sleep people. People sleep on Odyssey easily is one of 729 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 1: the like if I if somebody, you know, put the 730 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: put the pistol to my head and say, hey, you 731 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: gotta come up with a top fifty. You know what 732 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Odnestly is gonna be on my list, Like, 733 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: and not only as an MC, but Odessly as a 734 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: producer to mother would be making his beats Like Obnestly 735 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: is the real deal. And you were saying you were 736 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 1: talking about how the narratives underutilized um delivery too. I 737 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: think it's because it's it's one of those aspects of 738 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: hip hop that just like whenever you're wrapping about like 739 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 1: an issue or something like that, it's one of those 740 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: things that it's very easy to make it sound corny. 741 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: And yeah, you get that kind of slick rick like yeah, 742 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: once up at a time, No exactly, Like if you're 743 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: if you're if you're in the like a casual headspace 744 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: where you kind of like just want to wrap or 745 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: you just you know, you don't necessarily want to sit 746 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: down and think too hard about what you're wrapping. Then 747 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,760 Speaker 1: don't try to write like a story or a narrative 748 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,959 Speaker 1: because it's just gonna come out sounding like the fresh 749 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: Prince of bal ar Ti. You know what I'm saying, 750 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: Like you really you really got to sit down and 751 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: really think about you know, how am I going to 752 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: convey this information but not be so you know, nail 753 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: on the head with it, you know, and like best 754 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 1: reserved for masters of the craft, like honesty, let's being 755 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: a master of the craft honestly being one touch master 756 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: with regards to beats as well. Our next artist is 757 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: also a very talented beat smith um and it's kind 758 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: of an R and B singer. But this song that 759 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: I picked out by Sitting Archives not for sale um 760 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: kind of has like a bit of a flow to it, 761 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: like sort of like maybe she got a little empty 762 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: in her two Well, let's listen to the song or 763 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: quick not for sale my strings propagate space attack here 764 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: and there at the same time. Really, Viggo's funk gorgeous 765 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,840 Speaker 1: for this ship. I think it's safe to say that 766 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: she reps. I think it's safe to say she wraps. 767 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a it's a trend increasingly 768 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: in like R and B singer. I mean we should 769 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: hear that with Beyonce hold out a whole lot of 770 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: ladies out here that are sort of blurring this line 771 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: between R and B or like they are adopting like 772 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: a cadence that's so stiffato that it feels like you're 773 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: singing but you're rapping. And she does it really well. 774 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,400 Speaker 1: I think I think that r V has been getting 775 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: away with a lot of rapping for the last like 776 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 1: ten and fifteen years. There's been a lot of rapping 777 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: with a singing voice going on. Not no hey, no 778 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: shade at all. Let's wrapping raps when I hear raps, 779 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: but I'm not this ship is this is dope? Yeah, 780 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: so rapping uh Stone Star Records in archives. It's a 781 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: self taught violinist and beat baker. We're have actually in 782 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: since Hattie Ohio. But her work, um, she says draws 783 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: on the violence side of Northeast Africa, UM and musicians 784 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: including Camerooney and electronic musician for instance Baby and Sudanese 785 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: violinist GARAGEI mhm, this is this is dope. I'm actually 786 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: really interested in hearing some more for them. Oh wait, 787 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: she got a little breakdown wrapping this too. Yeah. Yeah, 788 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: I gotta hear some more of her stuff, definitely. But 789 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know what context I heard the song before, 790 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: but this is dope. I heard it like a goddamn 791 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 1: cole is commercialists. I mean that, I mean that it's 792 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: high price. Yeah, I don't know where she's actually, I 793 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,720 Speaker 1: mean other than she grew up in Cincinnati. If anybody 794 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: finds out, what does that let me know? Yeah? Hey, 795 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: you know what. As a matter of fact, I know 796 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: that we have been talking about this pretty much from 797 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: the show's inception, but I am going to take the 798 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: time to actually start setting up some of these playlists 799 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 1: that we were telling you guys about. So if you guys, um, 800 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:37,240 Speaker 1: I think we'll spread it out between my uh maybe 801 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: my Spotify page or something in yours or something like guys, 802 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 1: go follow follow me on Spotify. I'm going to start 803 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 1: putting up exclusive waiting on reparations playlists, So we will 804 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: actually start one like right now, the African Dysphoria yeahes 805 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,360 Speaker 1: or something like that, and start putting a lot of 806 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,399 Speaker 1: the stuff in. We'll make one with Brazilian hip hop, 807 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: will make one with where else, the where else? What 808 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:07,839 Speaker 1: have we globe trotted to? Maybe but anywhere in pain. 809 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 1: We've been all over this bitch, all of the music 810 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: discussion themes that we've been going on. We'll just have 811 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: some ongoing playlists. Well, we'll just continually add songs to 812 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,879 Speaker 1: those playlists that fit those themes, stuff that we didn't 813 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,800 Speaker 1: necessarily get to mention in the songs and whatnot. So 814 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,239 Speaker 1: from this point going forward, if we do an episode 815 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: where we're like, I don't know, talking about vegan rap 816 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: or something like that, we will get a vegan rap 817 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: playlists going so that you guys can go check those out. Um. 818 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: I think that's all we got for today. We got 819 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: for this week. We'll see you next week. Maybe we'll 820 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: do get into the election results a little bit more. 821 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: Who knows, we could do anything, fucking do whatever we want. 822 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: Free negroes. But if you know what's really free until 823 00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,839 Speaker 1: we have the economic freedom to fully self determine our destinies. 824 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: So we are waiting on reparations, and I think maybe 825 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: time we should have a little bit. Yeah, let's let's 826 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: get into some rhyme. Give us, give free a Joel. 827 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: Let's bust it Joel. Oh blue collar on the beat? Yo, 828 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,759 Speaker 1: what's happening blessing the beat on West Africa? Your hood 829 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: looked like Sesame Street. So when the military wanted to 830 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,320 Speaker 1: take executive reach, then we're really here to go ahead 831 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,080 Speaker 1: and get on our feet. But you know they're really 832 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: trying to overthrow the government. This is how we do 833 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,800 Speaker 1: it in the Motherland. Get up on the street and 834 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: then go match without a gun in hand. Strong man 835 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: stretched like a rubber band. Now give a hug to 836 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: your brother man. It's a freestyle. Hey, my name's Dope Knife. 837 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: My name is La Franca. You are listening to Waiting 838 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: on Reparations, Got me my check? See you next week. 839 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: Waiting on Reparations production of I Heard Radio. More podcasts 840 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,879 Speaker 1: from My Heart Radio. Check out the iHeart Radio app, 841 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. M m 842 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: HM