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Speaker 1: The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast. John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I love him.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 2: I'll hear that boss from Big Job.

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Speaker 3: There, Koktuffia, Frett Fierstuck.

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Speaker 4: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: That's shop I'm gone, and that head Shop Bang guy

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Speaker 5: is still the man. Congratulations to Leon Edwards and all

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Speaker 5: the other big winners. If you have C two ninety six,

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Speaker 5: welcome in Monday, December eighteenth, twenty twenty three. It is

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Speaker 5: episode four fifty five of the Endca Florian Podcast presented

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Speaker 5: by Draft Kings. We were on the DraftKings Network DraftKings

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Speaker 5: YouTube channel as well. And for those of our diehard

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Speaker 5: listeners and viewers who have made the way over from

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Speaker 5: the Anakin Flooring Podcast YouTube channel, we very much appreciate that,

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Speaker 5: you know, a big chunk of our viewership at least

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Speaker 5: hasn't necessarily made the transition over. So to all of

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Speaker 5: those people that have, we thank you and we're going

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Speaker 5: to continue that initiative. But Ken Flow, it's great to

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Speaker 5: see you.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: It was great to spend some time with you in

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Speaker 5: Las Vegas. It's always interesting for me when you leave

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Speaker 5: and everybody says all these nice things about you, and

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Speaker 5: they say, my gosh, you know, Kenny's so nice. It's like,

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Speaker 5: I know he fought for the world title three times

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Speaker 5: and fought at the highest level of the sport, but

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Speaker 5: it's almost like sometimes I wonder if people like expect

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Speaker 5: you to be a dick or something. They're always blown

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Speaker 5: away by your disposition, and I feel like that nice

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Speaker 5: guy comes across on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, that's too funny, man. I had a blast, dude.

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Speaker 3: It was great always seeing you and your brother and

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Speaker 3: Cody and hanging with Ronnie. Just a good time, man,

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Speaker 3: good time catching up as always, and what a card

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Speaker 3: we had on.

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Speaker 5: And we're going to get into all of that. Ray

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Speaker 5: Longo is going to join us at about thirty minutes.

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Speaker 5: I am still here in Las Vegas, believe it or not.

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Speaker 5: EA Sports UFC five is not done yet. I thought

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Speaker 5: we were done, but I'm actually here the next few

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Speaker 5: days to do that. We filmed our twenty twenty three

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Speaker 5: year in review yesterday with Daniel Cormier and Chill Son,

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Speaker 5: and that will air on ESPN. Christmas Eve, I believe

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Speaker 5: at six pm Eastern time, so that was very enjoyable.

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Speaker 5: But yes, thanks to Big Ronnie Pellegrino for all of

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Speaker 5: this hospitality of course at the Virgin getting us the penthouse.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, nin Er, you can't have the penthouse, Okay,

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Speaker 5: it's invite only there are only two individuals in the

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Speaker 5: world that actually have access to the penthouse. It's deep

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Speaker 5: into five figures a night, and Niner's not on the list.

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Speaker 5: So Craig, I apologize, but it kind of is what

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Speaker 5: it is a lot to get into today. And I

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Speaker 5: did just want to say off the top to all

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Speaker 5: the listeners and viewers who came up to me and

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Speaker 5: Kenny at the award showing throughout Vegas, we're just eternally grateful.

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Speaker 5: We will never not be flattered and humbled by people

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Speaker 5: coming up to us and talking about a podcast that

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Speaker 5: is so near and dear to our heart that we're

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Speaker 5: not years in on. And I was told we actually

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Speaker 5: finished second to Dana White Contender series in the vote,

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Speaker 5: if that makes you feel any better.

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Speaker 3: So so we just have to take out the people

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Speaker 3: who run Data White Contenders and we can get first

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Speaker 3: Oh, so we're getting there, good, good good.

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Speaker 5: And I also heard you were only like eighty votes

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Speaker 5: behind Michael Bispain for Congratulations Online. Incidentally, I finished dead

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Speaker 5: last for Personality of the Year. Oh stop, all right,

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Speaker 5: let us get into Leon Edwards over Colby Covington by

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Speaker 5: Never in my wildest dreams did I expect that it

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Speaker 3: But I think more than anything else, he's more interested

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Speaker 5: I can understand Leon Edwards and his family being very upset.

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Speaker 5: Leon is still carrying emotion from his father's murder. Even

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Speaker 5: later he was brought to tears backstage. I can understand

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Speaker 5: There was no promotional rage at all from the UFC

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Speaker 5: So it seems like there's almost some selectivity when it

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Speaker 6: But I thought he just took it a little bit

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Speaker 5: I do think overall, Colby Covington has gotten a little

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Speaker 5: But the question beckon to your point going into Saturday Night,

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Speaker 5: good performance. I know there is some criticism of Leon Edwards.

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Speaker 5: Let us start with the performance Domina Cruz. The two

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Speaker 5: buzzwords for him on the post show range and precision.

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Speaker 5: You have a lot of people saying that Colby Covington

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Speaker 5: Leon Edwards deserve a lot of credit for his ability

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Speaker 3: So many people don't I don't really know what they're watching.

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Speaker 3: It's no offense, it's just you know, I've spent the

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Speaker 3: their footwork is outstanding. No, you don't, which is why

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Speaker 3: And so many times people are like, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: And that's what Leon was out there. He was a ghost.

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Speaker 5: I can understand why Joe Rogan didn't like the visual

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Speaker 5: But as far as I was concerned, he already had

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Speaker 3: I think that's the case. To be honest, Colby is

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I just think.

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Speaker 5: And I know we have a lot of fun on

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why he has taken the approach

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Speaker 5: The problem for Colby Covington on this night was the opponent,

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Speaker 5: gets pay per view points, if you're one of three

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Speaker 5: title fights at UFC three hundred on this massive card,

432
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Speaker 5: it stands to reason.

433
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Speaker 6: You know, Leon Edwards make fucking six to ten million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Right.

435
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Speaker 5: Ramadan is March tenth through April nine, So if I'm

436
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Speaker 5: Leon Edwards, I'm asking for Balah Muhammed on April thirteenth

437
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 5: at UFC three hundred, and that would essentially mean that

438
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Speaker 5: Blah Muhammad's entire training camp takes place during Ramada.

439
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's cold, it colds ice, but.

440
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Speaker 3: Listen, it's war, right, it's war at the end of

441
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Speaker 3: the day, and as a fighter at the highest level,

442
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Speaker 3: what I've found is sometimes it's those little advantages, those

443
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 3: little decisions that you make that make all the difference

444
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 3: in the world. And for Bellal, who's been waiting for

445
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 3: this opportunity, what is he gonna say, know at the

446
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 3: stage of the game and let someone else get that

447
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: opportunity after all the years of hard work that he's

448
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Speaker 3: put into this. It is absolutely a cold methodology there

449
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 3: and approach, but wouldn't be the dumbest part for Leon Edwards. Again,

450
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: you want every advantage you can get, and if he

451
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Speaker 3: can pull that off, it would certainly be interesting.

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Speaker 5: Shavcott Rockmanna has been very deferential. Excuse me to blow Muhammad.

453
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Speaker 5: You heard him say it during the week. He believes

454
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Speaker 5: that the title shot is Bellows. He's going to accept

455
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Speaker 5: the shot, obviously, is Shafcott if he gets it. But

456
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Speaker 5: I think he understands there's a pecking order, and it's

457
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Speaker 5: nice when the fellow contenders understand that there is sort

458
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Speaker 5: of a little bit of a meritocracy. I'm not suggesting

459
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Speaker 5: that Cheeto Veras should have said, oh, you know, Morob

460
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Speaker 5: Dwallis Willie's more deserving, but clearly below Muhammad and Leon

461
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Speaker 5: Edwards have unfinished business. There's a foundation for that fight.

462
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Speaker 5: I'm really hopeful that Balao gets the title fight, and

463
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Speaker 5: you know, hopefully it's at UFC three zero one or

464
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Speaker 5: UFC three to zero two, because yes, Billau would take

465
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Speaker 5: the fight, but if he has to do the entire

466
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Speaker 5: training camp during Ramadan, I think that would be a

467
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 5: little bit unfortunate. But congratulations to Leon Rock Edwards on

468
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Speaker 5: an exceptional performance and a second defense of his welterweight title.

469
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Speaker 5: All right, Ali Chandre Pantosia in the co headliner, defeats

470
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Speaker 5: Brandon Royvall by unanimous decision fifty forty five times two

471
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Speaker 5: forty nine to forty six from the dissenting judge, so

472
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Speaker 5: Man Pantoja. I think if he could do it again,

473
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Speaker 5: he wouldn't have come out quite like a bad out

474
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Speaker 5: of hell like that in round one. So after round

475
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Speaker 5: three he goes back to the corner, big reset, like

476
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Speaker 5: you could tell he was visibly concerned about his gas

477
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: tank after round three, and then after round five, big

478
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Speaker 5: wipe of the brow.

479
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Speaker 3: Right, he learned a lot.

480
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Speaker 5: When you can win and learn, it's outstanding and Pantoja

481
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Speaker 5: is probably gonna be my Fighter of the Year for

482
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three.

483
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Speaker 3: Oh man, what a fight. Yeah. I love that pacing

484
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 3: in round one, But in my head, I go geez, So,

485
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Speaker 3: either he's extreme, namely confident in his conditioning heading into

486
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: this fight, or he's getting a little too excited and

487
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: he got a little too excited. I think he was

488
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: so confident that he was going to finish royval that

489
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: he decided to start with that pace. He thought that

490
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 3: by round two he was going to have him out

491
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: of there. I truly believe that. I think he thought

492
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 3: he was going to take us back at a certain

493
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: point and finish him with a rear naked didn't happen.

494
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: Why because Royvalt was very well prepared for this fight.

495
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: He is tough as nails. I think where he lacked though,

496
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: was the potency in a lot of his strikes. Like

497
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: he is very dangerous, especially early on. He's very unpredictable.

498
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Speaker 3: But I think that he lost some of that unpredictability,

499
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 3: and I think he lost some of that potency because

500
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 3: of those early rounds trying to deal with the grappling

501
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: offense of Pantosia. I think he got tired himself, not

502
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: as tired as Pantosia, but I think it was enough

503
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: to take away some of the sting of his typical

504
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: strikes that he starts his fights with. So in a way,

505
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: it was smart by Pantoja. However, as someone who picked

506
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: Pantoja to win round five, I was sweating, man. I

507
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: did not know if he was going to have the

508
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: energy to keep royval off of them, Like I was

509
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: expecting a swarm from Royvall, and it just never came.

510
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: He never really pursued him. Look for that flurry of

511
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: punches or strikes or flying knees or crazy kicks. Those

512
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: were just never there. And that's where Pantosa just you know,

513
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 3: was able to win that fight, and he's extremely good.

514
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 3: Hopefully he learns from this. But the other thing is

515
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: Pantosa has been tired in previous fights, and now that

516
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: he's fighting every fight now as a five rounder, he's

517
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: going to have to be way more aware of them.

518
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: So Alechandre Pantosa is now I think twenty seven and

519
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 3: five pro debut at seventeen thirty two pro fights.

520
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 5: He has never been finished. I have so much respect

521
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 5: for this athlete and everything that he has committed to

522
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 5: this game and the way he has waited at times

523
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 5: a full year for a title shot if need be.

524
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Speaker 6: I thought he won all five rounds.

525
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Speaker 5: Some fans suggested maybe there were opportunities for the referee

526
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Speaker 5: Mark Otter to stand the individuals up in this fight.

527
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 6: I disagree.

528
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 5: I felt like the grappling of Pantosa was busy enough,

529
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 5: and I thought his top pressure was consistent enough to

530
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 5: not really have the need for a stand up, never

531
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Speaker 5: mind a warning. But I do think some fans felt

532
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 5: like maybe there were opportunities for that fight to have

533
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Speaker 5: been standed up and he got anything for us on that.

534
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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, actually I kind of wanted to go

535
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: back to Leo and Pantosia as well, because these are

536
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Speaker 3: two guys John that did it the right way, and

537
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: it's extremely rare in twenty twenty three now going on

538
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty four, that you get these guys amongst

539
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Speaker 3: fighters that have You know, all fighters have some kind

540
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: of story, some kind of adversity that they had to

541
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Speaker 3: deal with, some more than others, and both of those

542
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: guys are great examples that had to overcome tremendous amount

543
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: of adversity to get to where they're at, and they

544
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: did it without having to, you know, talk trash on

545
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 3: the mic. They did it with results and consistency and

546
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 3: hard work. And the fact that Pantosia was able to

547
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: do that and defend the belt against a dangerous guy

548
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: like Roy Vall is an awesome story, you know, just

549
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: like Leon. So again, I kind of wanted to highlight

550
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: that as well. And what was your question again, John On, Well,

551
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: I guess there.

552
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Speaker 5: You know, we have referee inconsistency and mixed martial arts.

553
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 5: But Mark Oddard to me is as good as Jason

554
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 5: Herzag or anybody else in the space, and I thought

555
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 5: he handled this situation well. There were times where maybe

556
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 5: people thought Pantosa was stalling and not doing enough on

557
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Speaker 5: the ground.

558
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 6: I didn't have that opinion. Yeah, I think there were.

559
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: There were some slow moments, and then any time it

560
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: started to get to the point where you thought something

561
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: was gonna happen, Pantosa would pick it up again. So

562
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: I thought there was nice patience displayed by the referee

563
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: to allow that to happen and it was getting close.

564
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: But I did not have a problem with that either.

565
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: No, all right, we'll see where Brandon Roybald goes from here,

566
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 5: He's gonna have to rebuild and climb back up the ladder.

567
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: But this flyweight division is just insane. I think I

568
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: articulated on the broadcast. They move so quickly I almost

569
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: can't even keep up. And thankfully Joe Rogan was there

570
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 5: on a night in which we needed a lot of

571
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 5: grappling analysis, because half of that stuff I don't even

572
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 5: know what the fuck is going on? All right, So

573
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Speaker 5: as we spin it forward for all Dechandre Pantosia certainly

574
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 5: a guy who has earned some much needed rests. Brandon

575
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 5: Moreno weighed in as the backup. A lot of people

576
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: felt like we would see those two fight again, even

577
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 5: though they have fought three times once in exhibition twice

578
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 5: in the UFC. Pantosia has three head to head wins

579
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Speaker 5: against Brandon Moreno. Brandon Moreno in a main event in

580
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Speaker 5: Mexico City February twenty fourth against Amir al Bosi, Minel

581
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 5: Copp and others are lurking. Kaikta France, of course, close

582
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: loss for him against Albosi. What are your thoughts on

583
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 5: what might be next for Pantoji? A one hundred and

584
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: twenty five gosh.

585
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: I mean, certainly if all Bosi wins that, I think

586
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: that could be next. There's so much talent in that division, dude,

587
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: it's just nuts. I think that it was an excellent

588
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: display of how good that division is. They're so technical,

589
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: You're going to see mixed martial arts everywhere in every

590
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: single fight. They're so well rounded, they're so good everywhere.

591
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 3: The pacing is amazing. So I think there's a lot

592
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: of options there. You know, I don't know which way

593
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: exactly the UFC is going to head for their next one,

594
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: but I think all Bossie would be very interesting if

595
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: he's able to get it done against Breno. No easy

596
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: fight there at all. Yeah, that's a fresh fight that

597
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense.

598
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 5: I think Manel Kopp is one of the other guys

599
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 5: that is lurking as well, So we'll see what they

600
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 5: do with Aleschandre Pantosa. But they have a ready willing,

601
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: enable Flyway champion that has set himself up for another

602
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 5: big year in twenty twenty four. All right, that brings us,

603
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 5: as we continue our UFC two ninety six pay per

604
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Speaker 5: view recap here on the Anti Employing Podcast, to the

605
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Speaker 5: featured battle well to wait, Shoapcott rock Monov the first

606
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 5: man to submit Stephen Wanner Boy Thompson by rear naked choke.

607
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 5: So as this fight is going on, I'm thinking myself,

608
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 5: has Stephen Thompson ever been submitted?

609
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 6: Now?

610
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: Sometimes I'll have that on my fighter card. So I

611
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 5: just double check with the truck and said, hey, can

612
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 5: you just chase that for me to make sure that

613
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 5: Wonder Boy has never been submitted? And then sure enough,

614
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 5: a couple of minutes later, we had it ready to

615
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: go for the call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

617
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Speaker 5: So that's a huge feather in the cap of Shopcott

618
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 5: rock Monov. He told Lorisanko he did go in with

619
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Speaker 5: an injury. It was not the perfect fight for him,

620
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 5: but he did something against water Boy Thompson that had

621
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: never been done before.

622
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that my big concern with that

623
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: fight and why I picked wonder Boy because it was

624
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: a very interesting underdog bet, was the fact that you know,

625
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: sometimes Shavcott gets a little bit stubborn and he goes,

626
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: well you're gonna hit me, I'm gonna hit you back.

627
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: We saw that in the Jeff Neil fight, and I

628
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: think that he was able to reel it back in

629
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: get his composure and go no, no, no. I got

630
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Speaker 3: to stick with this game plan. The game plan is

631
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: to take wonder b way down because and a lot

632
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: of these exchanges, wonder Boy was countering them, and wonder

633
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: Boy was clearly the faster guy, even at his age,

634
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: and wonder Boy's just so damn good. And in round one,

635
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: he did an excellent job of stopping that takedown. I thought,

636
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: wonder Boy one round one, one round one, I thought

637
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: he was landing the cleaner, more effective punches.

638
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

639
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: And the wrestling was largely canceled out there by WonderBoy.

640
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: So I said, this is where it gets gets interesting.

641
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: Can WonderBoy keep up this wrestling defense and can he

642
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: keep his conditioning at the level of Shopcott, who seemed

643
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: to be getting a little bit closer and closer to

644
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: that takedown uh? And ultimately we got our We got

645
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: our answer. Shopcott stuck with the game plan. He was

646
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: able to get to that leg, take him down, keep

647
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Speaker 3: him down, took his time, got excellent control, got excellent positioning,

648
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: chipped away with the ground and pound, and ultimately got

649
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: that rear naked choke which was in very, very deep

650
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: and I thought it was a tremendous perform. It's an

651
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Speaker 3: exactly what he needs to do to advance his position

652
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: in that division to potentially get a title shot in

653
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Speaker 3: the near future, which I think he will absolutely do.

654
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: So to me, this brought me back to Team shoffcutt

655
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: Rockmanov because it showed his intelligence, it showed that he

656
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: can adjust during a fight, and it showed that he's

657
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: more than just this big dude who can strike. He

658
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: absolutely wrestle you. He can he can win in a

659
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: variety of ways, and he did it against someone like

660
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Speaker 3: Steven WonderBoy Thompson so massive win and Brendan Allen.

661
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: He is not in terms of the submission prowess, but

662
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: he is one of the more prolific submission artists in

663
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Speaker 5: this welterweight division. He's got a lot of chokes, a

664
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 5: lot of different ways to get you out of there

665
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 5: if indeed the fight does get to the ground. And

666
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Speaker 5: you can't always say that about some of these fellow

667
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 5: welterweight contenders. Now, I did ask one of my colleagues

668
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: this weekend. When you see the following of like morob

669
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Speaker 5: Dwallash Willie and Georgia Kenny, or you see Shavcott Rockmanov

670
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Speaker 5: with Kazakhstan. Sometimes I wonder the extent to which that

671
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: moves the pay per view needle, and my colleague suggested, Yeah,

672
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 5: not really. Just because two hundred and thirty thousand people

673
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 5: are dropping Kazakhstan flags on Laura Sanko's Instagram, it doesn't

674
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Speaker 5: necessarily mean that Shavcott is going to be some massive

675
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 5: pay per view draw, right, And our friend Big Ron

676
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 5: was wondering aloud, if you're setting up a pay per

677
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 5: view headliner between Leon Edwards and Shavcott Rockmanov, I mean

678
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 5: the press conference, right, that's a little bit of an issue,

679
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 5: right at least you know what Bala Muhammed's going to

680
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 5: get into it with Leon, and those guys are going

681
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 5: to have some sort of back and forth. Shavcott Rockmanhov

682
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: and Leon Edwards are two of the best pound for

683
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 5: pound mixed martial arts athletes on the roster, right, two

684
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: at the top thirty or whatever you want to say. Fine, right,

685
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 5: but I don't know that that's the most marketable billable

686
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 5: fight necessarily for the UFC. But you do have a

687
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 5: guy who's eighteen and zher with eighteen finishes. That is

688
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 5: all the rage at least according to the fan base,

689
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 5: so maybe one fight away. I'd like to see Rockmanov

690
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Speaker 5: in a main event. I don't think it's going to

691
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 5: be coolby Covington. But what are your thoughts on Shavcott,

692
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Speaker 5: what you would do next, Cody? I've been chatting with

693
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Speaker 5: you on the side. Can you populate the welterweight top

694
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Speaker 5: ten for me?

695
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: Please?

696
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Speaker 5: What do you think, Kenny in terms of Shofcott rockmanob

697
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 5: would you like to see him at a UFC main event?

698
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 5: Would you like to see him get one more test

699
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Speaker 5: before ultimately he fights for the welterweight title.

700
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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I think that would probably be the smartest

701
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: thing from a promotion standpoint to go out and do right.

702
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: If the UFC wants to build him yet again, you

703
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: put him on a main event of a fight night

704
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: to help promote that next potential title shot. I think

705
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: he's there. I think he's ready. And of course you

706
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: know we're talking about highlights, right video highlights of his finishes.

707
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: He's got them all. I mean every single fight he's

708
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: finished a dude, So that's gonna be easy cutting to take.

709
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: Just more people need to know who he is. And

710
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: I agree with you he doesn't have, you know, the

711
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: command of the English language to go out there and

712
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: promote a fight and do all these press conferences in

713
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: that way. Even when he is speaking his own language,

714
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: he's very, you know, to the point, very conservative. He's

715
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: not going to really talk a whole lot of trash.

716
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that, you know, I think that

717
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: Chofcott is in a good position to fight for a

718
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 3: fight night against who I don't know, and maybe maybe

719
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: it's the winner of Ian Gary Luke. You know, I

720
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: think that there's there's a bunch of other options there,

721
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: but uh, he's right there knocking on the door. Yeah,

722
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: I think the law is probably going to be next

723
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: and uh, and he'll be shortly after. I wonder if

724
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: I and Mashadow Gary would fight Shofcott Rockmanov. Those guys

725
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: have trained together pretty extensively as former teammates, but I

726
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: think at this point they probably would. Now the promotion

727
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: did pivot off of the Ian Maschado Gary Vicente Luk fight,

728
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: so Ian Gary is now going to fight Jeff Neil

729
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: at UFC two ninety nine in Miami on March ninth.

730
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Speaker 3: You may recall that Jeff Neil and Ian Gary were

731
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: booked in Boston last August, so Vicente Luke kind of

732
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: the odd man out right now, but maybe he finds

733
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: himself in the main event agains Chhofcott Rockmanov. Again, there's

734
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: a lot of connective tissue with these Kilcliff FC teammates,

735
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: So I know that's the thing. I would love to

736
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: see a Gilbert Burns fight. How close they are, how

737
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: much they trained together, I don't know, but that's another

738
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Speaker 3: one that I think, yeah, would be interesting. It makes

739
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: sense from a rankings perspective.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Burns and Rockmano makes a shit ton of sense.

741
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 5: But they are training partners and teammates, I believe. Among

742
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Speaker 5: the fight bookings you heard over the weekend, Michael Venim

743
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 5: Page has been signed. He'll fight Kevin Holland, Gilbert Burns

744
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 5: is fighting Jack Della, Mattelena, and as we mentioned, Ian

745
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: Gary Jeff Neil. Those are all official for March ninth

746
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 5: in the welterweight division, so h and.

747
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: John okay, So that's going to be at one to seventy,

748
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: Kevin Holland and Michael Vetta Page presumably.

749
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 5: I know the UF wants Kevin Holland at seventy, even

750
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 5: though at times he wants to compete at eighty five,

751
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: but yeah, so big things and then happy to see

752
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 5: the UFC sign Michael Venam page All right. Plenty more

753
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 5: coming up over the next forty five minutes or so

754
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 5: as we continue to recap UFC two ninety six.

755
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 6: Let us get to the Ray Longo Minute.

756
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Speaker 1: It's now time for the Ray Longo Minutes.

757
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: And I'm going to put a hole in this truck.

758
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: That's what I want with the.

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00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: Ray Longo Minute. The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, first off, what a crock of shit those awards was?

761
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: Huh have you ever seen such bullshit in your fucking life?

762
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: Man? Yes?

763
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: No, me right, Why didn't you start like a thousand

764
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: accounts and just vote for I.

765
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Speaker 2: Don't even I don't even have it.

766
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 4: I don't even have an Instagram account at this point,

767
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 4: so I say I got no shot.

768
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Speaker 5: Well, I think for a lot of us in the

769
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 5: MMA space, right, Like, I have never won an award

770
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 5: in my life, and that is absolutely fine with me.

771
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 5: But I think a lot of us would like to

772
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: see a more regulated awards show where it's actually a

773
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 5: meritocracy and not sort of.

774
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 6: A popular vote. Right.

775
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: We were absolutely honored to be nominated for mm A

776
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 5: Programming of the Year. It touched all of our hearts.

777
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 5: It was the reason why we all attended the show.

778
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: But when I found out we're competing in the category

779
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 5: with Dana White's Contender series, it got that live fight promotion.

780
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,479
Speaker 6: We're not going on a popular vote against that show.

781
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 5: So I would hope that at some point the World

782
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: MMA Awards would not just be a popular fan vote,

783
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 5: and then we have a goddamn fucking chance raming.

784
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean really, we need.

785
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Speaker 4: I like to see Price Waterhouse get involved. Ah, make

786
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: make it a little legit. No, right, I mean right,

787
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 4: this was embarrassing.

788
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 5: Right anyway, I probably won't be there next year, probably

789
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 5: actually lost all of my nominations with this discourse.

790
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 6: Right now, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it.

791
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 6: All right, So a lot to digest rain.

792
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 5: I don't even know where to begin with you, but

793
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 5: I guess I would like to harken back to the

794
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 5: Thursday press conference because Colby Covington is a perpetual line crosser,

795
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: and I know you're shaking your head. So many people

796
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 5: have been texting me, and I got a text even

797
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 5: from a reporter this morning that said, fuck Colby Covington.

798
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 5: What a disgrace of a human being, And a lot

799
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Speaker 5: of people sort of subscribe to that theory. What are

800
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 5: your thoughts ray on whether or not he crossed a

801
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: line that he had never crossed before in injecting Leon

802
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: Edwards's deceased father into the trash talk this Well, first.

803
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: Off, that was me that wrote that to you. Now,

804
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: I'm only kidnapped, Uh, I got listen. I got absolutely

805
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: no use for the guy at all. I just don't

806
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: ever since he threatened you, he knows where you live,

807
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: he can go fuck himself. Couldn't give a shit about

808
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 4: that guy. But he did with Leon Edwards, I think

809
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 4: is atrocious.

810
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

811
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: You know, there's promoting the fighting and there's being a

812
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 4: total fucking.

813
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: Misfit in life.

814
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: And uh, that's the way I see it with that guy.

815
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, first off, Leon Edwards with his father,

816
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 4: I mean that was heartbreaking listening to Leon talk to

817
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: Leon's a sweetheart of a guy.

818
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: I really like Leon Edwards a lot. Man. To see that.

819
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 4: You know, I'm starting I'm tearing up as he's doing that,

820
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: and it's anger, and it's anger towards Colby that's that's

821
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: what it does to me. But you know, I don't know. Look,

822
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: the guy attacks wonder Boy. I mean, you see wonder

823
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 4: Boy handle that like you can't even attack him. That's

824
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: how nice the guy is. He's up there and he's smiling.

825
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: But you know he's calling the guy a pedophile. This

826
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 4: guy's a piece of shit, you know, calls wonder Boy

827
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 4: a pedophile. Wonder Boy is doing something. At least he

828
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 4: gives back to the community. Kobe, you sucking the fucking

829
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: life out of the community. It's just like a leech

830
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 4: on society, you know what I mean. And now you're

831
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 4: attacking this guy. It's just I don't know. It's just

832
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 4: too much for me. I don't care for it.

833
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: And man, talk.

834
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: About karma, because what a piece of shit that fight was.

835
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy did absolutely nothing.

836
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 4: And I mean to be able to take a pro

837
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 4: Kobe crowd and by the end of the fight have

838
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 4: the crowd against you, good.

839
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Speaker 2: Luck, my man.

840
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: I hope it was worth the money, the extra twenty

841
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 4: five percent or whatever day, I hope it was worth

842
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: it for you.

843
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: Because Garret, I've been around a long time.

844
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 4: I can promise you that you will regret a lot

845
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 4: of shit for the rest of your life.

846
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: You know, I think he coursed Trump the election. How's that?

847
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: You know?

848
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: Well, but mister president and mister president elects me, who

849
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: do you get the cleeten of England? I mean, this guy,

850
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 4: this motherfucker called somebody a dope. I'd love to see

851
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 4: this guy's college transcripts.

852
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: So fucking moron, Yeah, I mean horrible.

853
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I I agree.

854
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 5: I guess The only thing I wonder aloud about is

855
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 5: that this guy has injected family a lot, right. He

856
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 5: injected Kamorrow, Usman's daughter into the conversation at one point

857
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 5: in time. It wasn't necessarily as venomous as this particular

858
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 5: trash top, but I was with Kamorrow and he was

859
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 5: surprised that Leon got so emotional. I do believe part

860
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 5: of the reason there is so much outrage is because

861
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 5: Leon Edwards got so upset. I know, I'm not a fighter,

862
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 5: but very few people on the UFC side gave a

863
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: modicum of a shit when he threatened my three children, right, So,

864
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 5: I just think sometimes there's a little bit of inconsistency

865
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: when it comes to how upset people get with certain

866
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 5: things that come out.

867
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 4: Of right, right, Well, that's always going to be the

868
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: tricky part, John, Like you know, like one is, everybody's

869
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: line is going to be different, right. I would think,

870
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it's something we would think mild to

871
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: somebody else. You know, what we would think is a

872
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 4: pebble in the you know, skipping in the ocean is

873
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 4: a boulder to some people.

874
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: So but this is what I think is too much.

875
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: Even when he did with you, like again, go for

876
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: bid your kids hear that, you know, then then will.

877
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: They'll hear it dimentionally? But again it's you know, I

878
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 5: wasn't even use. I was more upset about you know

879
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 5: how everybody was so upset you know this.

880
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 6: I just think it's a little bit of a selective.

881
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 4: I know, no, I think it is a selective thing.

882
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: But you know the other problem with Kobe's you know,

883
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: then you you smack him in the face and he's

884
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: swing you. This is this is the worst case scenario.

885
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: That guy doesn't even take it on the chin. He

886
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: causes a riot, and then he doesn't.

887
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: Want to he doesn't want to fuck own up to it.

888
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that at a certain point though, guys,

889
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: I mean, so if we rewind way back when when

890
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: Miguel Torres posted some picture about a van right and

891
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: had that thing. It was something like is that a

892
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 3: reference to like a petal van or whatever the heck was right?

893
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: And he got kicked out of the UFC for that. Okay,

894
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: But now in twenty twenty three, we could say that,

895
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: we could talk about dead fathers. Yeah, say whatever it

896
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: is because it's okay. And if the promotion says it's okay,

897
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: then basically they're giving the okay to any fighter out

898
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 3: there to go and do that to promote a fight.

899
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: And I think at a certain point, you know, you

900
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: kind of have to have a talk with a fighter

901
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: and be like, you know what, that's not cool. It

902
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 3: doesn't make the sport look good. Yeah, you're you're kind

903
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: of just denigrating everything about yourself. And I don't know,

904
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: it's just weird how far we've fallen from maybe say

905
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 3: something like that with Miguel Torys, whether that was warranted

906
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: or not, to now it's like, ah, he's just promoting

907
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: it's cool. It's totally fine.

908
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, look, look to each his own I'm

909
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 4: not making it. Look I'm not getting past what he

910
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: said to John. I don't even care if John's mad

911
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: or not. It's that that behavior on the street will

912
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: get a fucking bat over your head. You don't get

913
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 4: away with that shit. You just don't, you know what

914
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 4: I mean. And I'm not saying that's right either. I'm

915
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 4: being a fucking lunatic, but you don't. You don't even

916
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: make references to a guy's family like that, especially when

917
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: you have young kids, because again it goes back to

918
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: those kids can't have the conversation we're having right now, right.

919
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: They can't have this conversation.

920
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: They don't have the defense mechanisms, they don't have the

921
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: experiences in life to know what's going on. It's fucking

922
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 4: bullshit and this this dope can't fucking recognize that. Then

923
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: that's his fucking problem. He has to pay the price

924
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 4: for that, you know what I mean. But I think honestly,

925
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 4: the way he fought Saturday night was the best thing

926
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 4: that could have happened for anybody that was, you know,

927
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: against him, and the worst thing that for him. I mean,

928
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: he just didn't show up. I don't know what to say,

929
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: but I actually get aggravated John. I'm not again Leon's

930
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: dead father tackle wonder boy is a pedophile.

931
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 6: I'm not.

932
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 2: I'm still on your thing.

933
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 4: That's never going away, right, But you know, maybe that's

934
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: because I'm sicilian.

935
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I have no idea, but it's not going away.

936
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: I have no use for the guy at all.

937
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: So in terms of the fight itself, Kenny and I

938
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: sort of feel like Leon Edwards is not getting the

939
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 5: credit that he deserves and that people are sort of

940
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 5: looking at at Colby Covington not getting a whole lot done.

941
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 5: But most of that was because Leon Edwards led the

942
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 5: whole dance and was much better.

943
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, look uh Leon, Look, Leon's a great fighter.

944
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's a crowd pleaser.

945
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: But if you're a like a real fan of the

946
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: sport and you you might the artistry of it. I mean,

947
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 4: even though it was Fronk ticks to the belly that

948
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: kicks of the lake, he was taking Colby apart, piece

949
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: by pete, piece by piece.

950
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: Was it the most exciting thing for me? I enjoyed it?

951
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: But at what times I'm like, Leon, let's go, man,

952
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 4: you could just I believe you could just walk in

953
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 4: there and finish the fight.

954
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: Guys, the guy he's not here, you could take his shot.

955
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 4: He's not a big puncher going and finish the fight,

956
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: or at least attempt to finish the fight, you know

957
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: what I mean.

958
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: So he look, he's a cerebral guy. Man, that that's

959
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: the way he's going to fight.

960
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 4: He's not a Look, here's where I'm super impressed with Leon.

961
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: I thought he'd come out like a lunatic because of

962
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: his emotions, and he was able to contain something that

963
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 4: was obviously very very disturbing to him. So that's how

964
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: cerebral I think this kid is that he was able

965
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: to block that out and put on a performance like

966
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 4: that against a dangerous guy like Kobe coming Covington. And

967
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: like again, I'm sure there's going to be people that

968
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 4: you know, wasn't exciting for him enough.

969
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: But you know, to me, it was. I got a

970
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: different view on it, you know what I mean. I

971
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: had a kid fight over the weekend. Pull me the

972
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: co that kids never lost a round. They don't want

973
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: to look at him, so dot even want to look

974
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: at him. I put him in with Pantosia.

975
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 4: Tomorrow and I know people say, you're a fucking moron,

976
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 4: Get me try it.

977
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: Let's take it to an experiment, you know what I mean,

978
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: the kids.

979
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: I think he's that good where now he might not

980
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 4: be exciting if you don't like if that's all what

981
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 4: you like, but if you like dominant rounds with wrestling

982
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: and up and down, and yeah, the kid did great again.

983
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: To thirty twenty seven, took it on a week's notice

984
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 4: against one up aweight class, against a tough kid who

985
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: was very strong. You know, he got the job done.

986
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: It's just not good enough, you know, So they I

987
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: could tell you right now, my guess would.

988
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: Be they they don't like leon Ed.

989
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 4: Its just even based on that fight, They're going to say,

990
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: you know, people were falling asleep.

991
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: They'll they'll do something like that to him.

992
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 4: But it was a technical, tactical work of art as

993
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, except for and I think he

994
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: got carried away with some of the wrestling stuff.

995
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: But I think, you know that was I think.

996
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 4: He felt safe enough to give up a couple of

997
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 4: minutes of around.

998
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 5: Most people believe Pomi Nakuda is one of the best

999
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 5: fifteen flyweights in the world right now who actually watched

1000
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 5: the film, so hopefully that yeah, an opportunity comes at

1001
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 5: some point in time. Congrats also to your guy Anthony

1002
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 5: de Lemmi.

1003
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 6: How about you? What rock in the Anak and Florian podcast?

1004
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: Come on, man, what.

1005
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: I don't know?

1006
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that.

1007
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: That was my guilt for not showing up at the awards.

1008
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: I had to get it back somehow.

1009
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: How was the movie Shoot?

1010
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 2: Movie Shoot was great? Let me just put my shout

1011
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: out Anthony de Lemmy. Another great fight, really really good kid.

1012
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 4: I think he's five and zero now with six and

1013
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 4: oh really excited for him. And Armando gets you lost

1014
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 4: the title fight, which you know, he kind of had

1015
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: some technical problems, but I think Almando will be back.

1016
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 4: I thought he was looking pretty good up until the

1017
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 4: point he wasn't. But all things good. The movie Shooter

1018
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: is that business is in sant John. I mean, I mean,

1019
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 4: I look, I had one day. I mean I shot

1020
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: You know, first off, I just let me friend, since

1021
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: we're talking outside of fire, I.

1022
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: Was one hundred percent the worst guy on the set. There.

1023
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: That's some really good people.

1024
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: But uh, I got there at four point thirty John

1025
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: in the afternoon, and I left there at five thirty

1026
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: or six am in the morning.

1027
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: And you know me, that's almost like a death sentence.

1028
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: I was. I was by four in the morning. I

1029
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: was just slap happy and acted like an idiot.

1030
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 6: But no, I mean that's rough man.

1031
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: Anybody who was in that business, man, God bless you. Man.

1032
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 4: You gotta have a lot of time, and your schedule

1033
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 4: is going to be thrown upside down. But uh, it

1034
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: looks like it might be. Uh, it looks like it's

1035
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 4: going to be a really fun movie. You know, I

1036
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 4: met some nice people, some really good stuff.

1037
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: So uh, I think who was the guy that directed

1038
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: Dean Uh.

1039
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: You know, man blanking on his last name, but he'd

1040
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 4: be I think he wrote a bunch of episodes for

1041
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: The Godfather of Harlem, so shout out to him. He

1042
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 4: was a souper, a nice guy. They were all always

1043
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 4: so nice and you know, accommodating to my lack of talent.

1044
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: So I love it.

1045
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 2: You know, they're very nice, very nice people.

1046
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 5: Anyone who has worked in movies or done commercial shoots

1047
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 5: or modeling shoots, you know, oftentimes you're getting paid to

1048
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 5: wait and aren't actually working. But still it's harder to

1049
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 5: wait than actually work. Like I just said to Chale

1050
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 5: and Domina Cruz, like people give me a lot of

1051
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 5: credit when after broadcasting for eight hours, I then go

1052
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 5: up and wow, crazy show, right, But well, thank you,

1053
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 5: But it's actually harder, and Kenny can speak to this,

1054
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 5: to sit up on that fucking set waiting all night

1055
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 5: for an opportunity to talk, right, it's the most exhausting

1056
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 5: thing in the world to sit up there for six

1057
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: hours say a word, and then the lights come on

1058
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 5: after the pay per view and you got to fucking

1059
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 5: be full of energy.

1060
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 6: That's hard too.

1061
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

1062
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: Under also want to shout out TJ Sansoon. He was

1063
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 4: the producer who he's always got my back and a

1064
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: lot of stuff, so really nice guy. I wish everybody

1065
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: the best. But but you're right though, that's sitting and

1066
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 4: waiting and then having to do something is I think

1067
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 4: is really rough.

1068
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: Men.

1069
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 4: You've got to be able to turn it on and

1070
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: off like a light switch, and it's definitely not easy.

1071
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: And you got all the wrong food surrounding you, and

1072
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 4: you know, oh yeah, you know what I mean, Like

1073
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 4: you could be doing good and then after an hour

1074
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 4: of holding out, maybe I'll have that snickers barth.

1075
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what. It's a wacky bit, right,

1076
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: that's enough of that, nobody else to hear about it.

1077
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 5: Eat a bunch of candy bars, Doritos and burrito Yeah,

1078
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 5: and hop on the camera to shoot a movie.

1079
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and then jumping and jumping a nuber of

1080
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 4: five thirty in the morning and throw up in the

1081
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: back of it.

1082
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.

1083
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 5: So Leon Edwards did say the UFCPR After the fight

1084
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 5: last night, I spoke to my mom and she said,

1085
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 5: remember where you came from, remember the journey you took

1086
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 5: to get here, and don't throw it away.

1087
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 6: Because of words.

1088
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 5: And a lot of us felt like he was going

1089
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 5: to be able to check the emotion and man did he.

1090
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 5: I mean he It just has beautiful it all away

1091
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 5: in a beautiful way and lets you guys have anything

1092
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 5: else on those too. I would like to get to

1093
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 5: some other UFC two ninety six pay per view highlights.

1094
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 5: Josh fucking Emmett so holy shit, he is jubiquitously regarded

1095
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 5: as the biggest power threat in this featherweight division. Kenny,

1096
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 5: he had a brutal twenty twenty three right he lost

1097
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 5: to Yayi Rodriguez and he was bludgeoned by Iliot Topuria.

1098
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 5: Hugely critical fight for josh Emmett. He was to face

1099
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 5: the other worldly striker get Chikaz. Instead it's Bryce Mitchell

1100
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 5: on short notice. And I was talking to our friend

1101
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 5: big Ron last night, Kenny, and you know, this was

1102
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 5: not an equilibrium type knockout where the head goes sideways.

1103
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 6: This was straight on blunt force trauma.

1104
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: No question about it.

1105
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1106
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: This was the brain getting overwhelmed with a serious amount

1107
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: of energy. And Josh Emmett is one of those guys

1108
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: who's always been all class. He's he's a guy that

1109
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 3: doesn't need to trash talk, you know. He he does

1110
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: it with his fifts. Man always has one of the

1111
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: most dangerous punchers that I've ever seen compete. That was

1112
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: the big thing for me had into that fight. Can

1113
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: Bryce put him on his back and avoid that big power?

1114
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: And we got our answer. It was a beautiful exchange.

1115
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: This is josh Emmont at his best. This is what

1116
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: he waits for. He waits for these kind of exchanges

1117
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: where he'll dip down, he gets you up a little

1118
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 3: bit too tall, and for Bryce Mitchell, who likes to

1119
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: hold his chin up a little too high, it was

1120
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: a recipe for disaster and that fist just crashed into

1121
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 3: the jaw of Bryce Mitchell. And you know, we've seen

1122
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: some crazy knockouts, that one was legitimately scary to the

1123
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: point where and even to today, I wonder, I hope

1124
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: Bryce Mitchell is going to be the same Bryce Mitchell

1125
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: that he was before that punch, because it was devastating

1126
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: when you see someone who is seizing like that, When

1127
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: you see someone you know, after a period of time

1128
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 3: get up and they still can't find their legs on

1129
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 3: the floor, that's a concern. I mean, that's about as

1130
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: dangerous of a sh shot as you can land. And

1131
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: Emmett just has that power for days. Man, what a performance.

1132
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: And again to climb back, like you said, from those

1133
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: two losses, not everybody could do that. Not everybody is

1134
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: the same after taking a beating like that once twice,

1135
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: and for him to come back and look like that

1136
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: is a testament to who Josh Emmitt is as a

1137
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: human being.

1138
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll tell you, let's not forget he's not

1139
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: a kid anymore. So to be able to do that

1140
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 4: at that age, if the like you said, a horrible

1141
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 4: couple of fights before that is that's the impressive part

1142
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: to me, man. But before we even get just told

1143
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: Bryce Mitchell's all right, very nice guy you could you could.

1144
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 4: First off, I've never even seen a knockout that bit.

1145
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: We've seen him Kenny with a guy. He's still on

1146
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 4: his back and he's doing his leg work and he's

1147
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 4: like he's like a bug, you know, just moving And

1148
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 4: this was.

1149
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: This was violent, man. This was shaking, like you said,

1150
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: almost seizing up.

1151
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: So I don't I don't really think I've ever seen that,

1152
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 4: you know, seen the legs twitch, but his head was going.

1153
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: It was he.

1154
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 3: Could have had one pounds. This kid has that kind

1155
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: of power at that. Oh yeah, it's just very very

1156
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 3: rare to see that.

1157
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, perfect recipe.

1158
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: A guy little taller, chin up in the air against

1159
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 4: a guy who ducks down, who's got a very powerful overhand.

1160
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: Right, that was a recipe for disaster.

1161
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: But you know, like again, what what josh Emmitt did

1162
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 4: was absolutely phenomenal. Uh, here's a guy that he's got

1163
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 4: a great mindset, this kid man, because he went in

1164
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 4: there not letting anything bother him. He looked like the

1165
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 4: Josh Emmon of old against the against a tough kid man.

1166
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 4: Wasn't like they threw him somebody who was ranked number twenty,

1167
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 4: his kids in the top five. Yeah, fought a lot

1168
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 4: of great people. Big statement for Emmitt, really big statement

1169
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 4: for him.

1170
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 5: It And if you're Bryce Mitchell and he's one of

1171
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 5: my favorites, and his former cameraman, kid Ron Cannon, now

1172
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 5: one of our UFC embedded producers, is a longtime listener

1173
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 5: and supporter of the Anakin Floor and Podcast, I really

1174
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 5: feel bad for Bryce, But yeah, I feel like Kenny

1175
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 5: and Ray, this was a wayward career decision right too.

1176
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 5: I understand he closed like a minus two thirty eight

1177
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 5: betting favorite, right, but completely throws away the Dan Egay

1178
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 5: win and at least right now and the immediate future,

1179
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 5: throws away his featherweight contention. I understand that as a farmer,

1180
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 5: he's always in shape and working construction, but not doing

1181
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 5: formal training. Accepting an elite former world title challenger like this,

1182
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: I just thought that it was a recipe for disaster.

1183
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 6: Right.

1184
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 5: Some people are showing me Josh Emma was like plus

1185
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 5: four point thirty by knockout, right, which seemed.

1186
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 6: To be like the way he was going.

1187
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: To that's the win that fight, ye.

1188
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 5: And when you talk about I hope Bryce Mitchell's Okay.

1189
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 5: You know, I've had three concussions in my life, and

1190
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 5: I can speak to one of them where it sort

1191
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 5: of feels like your brain like hits the side of

1192
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 5: your skull and then the room goes to the other

1193
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 5: side and then it kind of comes back in centers

1194
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 5: like Bryce's brain probably hit the back of his head

1195
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 5: and then came forward like dude, fucking convulsing and seizing.

1196
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 5: I know he's young, he hasn't absorbed a lot of

1197
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 5: concussive damage, but it stands to reason, and I'm not

1198
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 5: trying to sound sensational here, that Bryce Mitchell is never the.

1199
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 3: Same, right. Well, we saw that. I mean, look at

1200
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: Tony after the Chandler fight, you know, the gay chee fighter.

1201
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure we'll get to Tony later, but yeah,

1202
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: it's it was concerning, man, It was concerning. And these

1203
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: are the risks you take as a fighter. You know,

1204
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: it's easy to forget that you walk into a certain

1205
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 3: fight you may not be the same after. But that

1206
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 3: is a legitimate concern when you're facing the most dangerous

1207
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: fighters in the world. I mean that these are legit concerns.

1208
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what the other problem was too, You

1209
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 4: could see his brain. He wanted to act like he

1210
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 4: was okay, like damn, I'll get him whatever he would.

1211
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: But then when he wanted to take his man, that

1212
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: brain was still ten minutes after was not attached to

1213
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 4: his body.

1214
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: You could see his legs shaken, you know what I mean.

1215
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 4: But man, I'd get him with a good you know,

1216
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: make sure he's okay, give him the proper rest. Yes,

1217
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: I think he's in the proper you know, like he

1218
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: looks like he's you know, Bryce is whacky, man. That's

1219
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: why those decisions have made.

1220
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: You know, like.

1221
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 4: Sometimes that whackingness comes with a price too, And I

1222
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: think that's I think that's what you saw, is that

1223
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: he wanted to jump in there. That's who he is.

1224
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 4: But was it an educated decision? I think there could

1225
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: have been better decisions than that. I agree with you

1226
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 4: John on that too, you know, but I just like, again,

1227
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 4: I hope he's all right.

1228
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: And that's off to Emma for a fascinating.

1229
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 4: Knockout, like just man for one that's going to last

1230
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 4: a long time.

1231
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 5: Ray in less than thirty seconds, because I want to

1232
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 5: move on. If you were Bryce Mitchell's coach, I know

1233
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 5: you are not a doctor. Like Gus Florian for example,

1234
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 5: But how long before Bryce Mitchell is actually allowed to

1235
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 5: get into that regular work cycle in the gym. It's

1236
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 5: want there to come watch practice. But what are you

1237
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 5: suggesting as a coach to Bryce Mitchell after one of

1238
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 5: the more devastating knockouts we've seen.

1239
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: Well, first thing is I would call Augustine Florian and ask.

1240
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 4: That's number one, and then I'd make my decision. Uh,

1241
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 4: that guy's he's not seeing anything for four months minimum,

1242
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 4: see four or five you got to give now, you

1243
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 4: got to give the guy a real break.

1244
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even care.

1245
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: Honestly, I wouldn't even care what anybody says he's got it.

1246
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: I'd say.

1247
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 4: He's taken all four or five months minimum, because that

1248
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: goes quick.

1249
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1250
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 4: You know, you know you get those concussions. They don't

1251
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 4: even want you. They don't want you thinking. They don't

1252
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 4: want you doing a math problem. You know what I mean,

1253
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 4: if you were a young kid, they don't even want

1254
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: you doing your math in school.

1255
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: Like, you got to give that brain a break.

1256
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 4: I think there's enough good people around that could probably

1257
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 4: help him, you know, even with supplementing and just making

1258
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: sure he's okay, but I would get with some good people,

1259
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 4: but I wouldn't. I wouldn't do anything. Yeah, for a while,

1260
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 4: you got an error on the side of caution. At

1261
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 4: this point, you can't do it. He's a young kid,

1262
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 4: you know, he's got his whole life ahead of him.

1263
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 4: I wouldn't fuck around with that.

1264
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 5: All Right, One fight we have yet to touch on

1265
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 5: on pay per view, Patty Pimblet over Tony Ferguson by

1266
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 5: unanimous decision thirty to twenty seven times three.

1267
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 6: Kenny, I'd like to start with you on this one.

1268
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 5: We were at that invite only Penthouse on Thursday or Friday.

1269
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thursday night.

1270
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 5: We were watching the press conference back and you and

1271
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 5: my twin brother were just in stitches with Patty Pimblet

1272
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 5: when he calls you.

1273
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 6: A fucking knit.

1274
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: Oh. I love him.

1275
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 5: I mean I love hearing Patty on a microphone, Kenny.

1276
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 5: And you know, I thought he handled this challenge well

1277
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 5: all things considered. But it is an alarming sign, right

1278
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 5: that he gassed himself out to such an extent. And

1279
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 5: I liked that Patty is a man of veracity and

1280
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 5: always shares with everyone the truth, but not a great

1281
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 5: visual that he really needed to survive and advance as

1282
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 5: opposed to, you know, real putting it on Tony l

1283
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 5: just sausage.

1284
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah that was fun, man, that was a lot of fun.

1285
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 3: I can hear someone from Liverpool talk all day. Listen.

1286
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 3: I think that I thought Tony did a much better

1287
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: job than we've seen him in the last few fights.

1288
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 3: Not great, not saying Tony's back, he's totally different, anything

1289
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: like that, but I thought he had a much better

1290
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: performance than we've seen him in the past. I think

1291
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: part of that is due to Tony stepping it up

1292
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 3: a little bit. But also, yeah, I think that this

1293
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 3: is one of those fights that you get a good

1294
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 3: gauge on in regards to Patty and you know, trying

1295
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 3: to figure out is he a guy that is hyped up?

1296
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: Is he a guy that is elite? Is he a

1297
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 3: guy with just a lot of potential at this stage

1298
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 3: of the game. I think he is a guy with

1299
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 3: potential at this stage of the game. I wouldn't venture

1300
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 3: and say that he is elite. I think if he

1301
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 3: was elite at the very least, you go out there

1302
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: and you finish someone like Tony Ferguson no disrespect, I

1303
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: just think that Tony has kind of become this gauge

1304
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 3: in that division that if you can get by him

1305
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 3: and look good doing so, you're on to bigger and

1306
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: better things. And this was not necessarily a step back

1307
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 3: for Patty, but it's a little bit concerning that he

1308
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: struggled as much as he did against someone like Tony. Now,

1309
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 3: Tony is extremely experience and all that, but certainly not

1310
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: in his prime. And I think a lot of people

1311
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 3: expected to see a much better Patty out there than

1312
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 3: what we saw on Saturday night.

1313
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah fucking knit, Yeah, yeah nit not.

1314
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 4: I think Guy brings Guy brings me back to nineteen

1315
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 4: sixty five. I'm sitting in my grandmother's house watching those

1316
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 4: full lads from Liverpool.

1317
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: Doing anything on it. So I swear to God, I

1318
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 2: mean it is. It is funny.

1319
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 4: I don't really know if I even understand what he's saying,

1320
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: but I did get the fucking knit thing, and he's funny, but.

1321
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: Uh, you know it's funny.

1322
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 4: A lot of guys the gym Sunday they thought the

1323
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 4: same thing you said.

1324
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: They thought Tony looked better.

1325
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 4: You know, it's a slippery slope with him, but he

1326
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 4: looked They thought he looked good.

1327
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: They thought he.

1328
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 4: Looked like he was kind of back, But I say

1329
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 4: it's who he had in front of him is part

1330
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 4: of the reason. I mean, you gave a guy that

1331
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 4: Pimlet's not in the top fifteen, is he?

1332
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 3: No?

1333
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: No, right, so you gave the guy.

1334
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 4: I guess what people would think is a layup, believe

1335
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 4: it or not, for where Tony Ferguson was in his

1336
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 4: career against you know, where you know Patty is. So

1337
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 4: I think, you know, you know, I think he looked

1338
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 4: good because Patty he's just not that good, you know

1339
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like he's he's definitely got bulls, but

1340
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 4: you know, he definitely blew his load in the first round.

1341
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 4: I think they could have stopped that fight based on

1342
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 4: all the previous fights that Tony's been in. So yeah,

1343
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 4: you know, maybe Kagan's got his conditioning up so he

1344
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 4: could get his ass beat for another ten minutes. I

1345
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 4: don't think that's helping anything, man, really, don't the guys

1346
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 4: still when he's getting it, he's the basics just aren't decay.

1347
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: He's not he's not covering, he's not moving.

1348
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 4: You don't see he's just flailing. Yeah, he's flailing his

1349
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 4: legs are definitely not what they was. So, I mean

1350
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 4: that's the only thing, like you know, in the raw

1351
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 4: Ross speech is at that point. And I'm obviously big

1352
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 4: on him, and that's what you have to do. You

1353
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 4: gotta know, you got a guy that's handicapped in there.

1354
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 4: It's just the way it is. And I feel big

1355
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 4: because he did look better, But did he was he

1356
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 4: better or did he look better? Because the guy in

1357
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 4: front of him had his chin up, hight and he

1358
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: had his chin up and he's what you know, some

1359
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 4: of those exchanges on the I mean those.

1360
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 2: Exchanges on the feet and he were rough to watch.

1361
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 4: Groundwise, Pim looks good, man, you know, he looks good.

1362
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 4: He's squared away, you know what I mean. So, uh,

1363
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 4: that's where his strength is. But it looks like he's

1364
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: getting a little better.

1365
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: And that was a.

1366
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 4: Big fight primatally for him because Ferguson has a name.

1367
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day day when you

1368
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 4: analyze it, what do you have six losses in a row?

1369
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the crazy Wikipedia page and you have.

1370
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,959
Speaker 6: See I mean, well, I just hope he doesn't match

1371
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 6: it in red ones.

1372
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hope his I hope he doesn't

1373
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 4: want to match his win streak with a law streak.

1374
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 4: That would be horrible to see because Tony Ferguson was

1375
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 4: a complete animal at one point. But you know, I

1376
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 4: guess you got to know when to hold them, when

1377
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 4: to fold them. That's not odd job, really, that's that's

1378
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,959
Speaker 4: really the Athletic Commission at this point.

1379
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 2: They had to protect everybody.

1380
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 4: But you know, it's just not looking good, you know

1381
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 4: what I mean? So what do you do with them?

1382
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 4: Who do you give him the next fight?

1383
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 3: Well, I am out in the business of retiring fighters.

1384
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Kenny. I was just going to say, I

1385
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: know Dana said that he would like to see Tony

1386
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: retire at the press conference or something like that.

1387
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 5: So yeah, so we'll see, right, But he hasn't focused

1388
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 5: on MMA fundamental seemingly forever, right. I mean, chill Son

1389
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 5: had got some time with Tony Ferguson's father, and Tony's

1390
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 5: dad acknowledged that there's really no head coach here and

1391
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 5: that's problematic.

1392
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: Tony mans.

1393
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 6: But for Patty Piblic real quickly, right.

1394
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 5: I am not sitting here suggesting that he is elite,

1395
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 5: nor am I suggesting he's ready for top twenty competition,

1396
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 5: but the notion that there aren't beatable guys in the

1397
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 5: top fifteen, Like, I'm not going to name any names

1398
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 5: right now, but I think there are a couple guys

1399
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 5: that he, with his athleticism and his grappling, can be

1400
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 5: better than. He also is a pretty good striker, even

1401
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 5: though we haven't necessarily seen him realize a lot of

1402
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 5: success on the feet. I would also point out ken

1403
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 5: flow and perhaps I sound like an apologist, but had

1404
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 5: two very invasive ankle surgeries. He had been off for

1405
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 5: a year and did not manage his cardio system very

1406
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 5: well in this fight. I'm not going to sit here

1407
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 5: and suggest that I think Patty Piblic can become a

1408
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 5: champion in this division. Frankly, it's going to be very

1409
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 5: hard for him to ever reach the top ten. But

1410
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 5: he's twenty eight years old. He could have come to

1411
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 5: the UFC at twenty one or twenty three. He boughted

1412
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 5: his time. He is building himself the right way. Got

1413
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 5: the second degree on his BJJ black belt over the

1414
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 5: last few weeks. Like kid works hard man. Yes, physically

1415
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 5: he's in a completely different place than he was a

1416
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 5: year ago. So I think he's very still out Physically,

1417
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 5: he looked great, and I think a lot of that

1418
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 5: is true.

1419
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: John. I would also argue that there's probably guys in

1420
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: the top fifty in that division that could also beat

1421
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: him by good point. I think the good I think

1422
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: the good thing though, is that this isn't a guy

1423
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 3: who has hit his limit. There's so much more he

1424
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 3: can do with his striking and with his overall MMA

1425
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 3: game to be better. So I think that's one of

1426
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: those cases for me. If I saw him, I'd go listen, man,

1427
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 3: let's not do any jiu jitsu for like four months.

1428
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,919
Speaker 3: We're going to focus on keeping that chin down, being

1429
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 3: defensively responsible, you know, working on your striking, going in

1430
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 3: there against good boxers, watching videotape, making sure we're not

1431
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: making some of these mistakes. Because if you do want

1432
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: to be elite, right, if you do want to make

1433
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 3: the most amount of money, you're gonna have to break

1434
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 3: into that top ten, top five situation because market marketing wise,

1435
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 3: UFC loves him. People love seeing him fight, so if

1436
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: you want to take that next level, I saw improvements

1437
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 3: with his wrestling. He know, he's been working with Justin Flores,

1438
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 3: who I saw at the MMA Awards, by the way,

1439
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 3: did a great job. So this is a kid with

1440
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 3: a lot of potential John, So I'd like to see

1441
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 3: him work on his striking moving forward, and then we

1442
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 3: could be having a completely different conversation on Patty.

1443
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

1444
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 4: Let me just say I agree with Kenny on the

1445
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 4: definitely on the striking thing. I don't want to take

1446
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 4: anything away from Pimley. He did what he had to do. Yeah,

1447
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 4: he gassed out, but his first round. They really could

1448
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 4: have stopped that fight, I believe, but not that it

1449
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 4: was but a good stoppage bad stoppage. But I don't

1450
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 4: blame him for thinking they could have stopped the fight.

1451
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to take.

1452
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 4: Anything away from because he's definitely a bulls. He did

1453
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 4: he wants to fight. I think right now he's making

1454
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 4: his awkwardness work for him. But I would like to

1455
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 4: see him tighten up a lot of stuff. But I

1456
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 4: think he creates that chaos on his scene and he's

1457
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 4: not gun shy, it's not that so he's got the balls.

1458
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: So somebody could really grab him and really tighten him up.

1459
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 4: I think he'd be a really I think he'd be

1460
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 4: a problem because he's got the I do believe he's

1461
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 4: got the mindset. I think he loves being in there,

1462
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 4: and that's a that's a big thing, man.

1463
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to work with there. But we'll

1464
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 2: see how the future plays out.

1465
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 5: I ran into your student, Azim Sadakov at the NMA Awards,

1466
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 5: and I think that's probably a good name, right, A

1467
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 5: guy who's probably number thirty in the world right now,

1468
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 5: nas maybe around thirty, who might even be favored to

1469
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 5: beat Patty Pimlet. So just backing up Kenflo's point there

1470
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 5: that while I do see two names in the top

1471
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 5: fifteen that I think Patty Piblet matches up very well against,

1472
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 5: there are guys in the thirties, forties, and fifties that

1473
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 5: would match up well with Patty and could be favored

1474
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 5: to beat him. So we'll see where Patty Piblet goes

1475
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 5: from here. But just such a good kid man like

1476
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 5: I love my time around Patty Pimblet, and he's a

1477
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 5: huge asset I think potentially for the promotion moving forward.

1478
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 6: All right, right before we let you go go ahead, Yeah, I.

1479
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, Joe, you could see, like when Tony

1480
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 4: walked out of the octagon abruptly after the you know,

1481
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 4: he didn't want to stand there, and I guess somebody

1482
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 4: sent them back in. I hope that was Kygan's doing

1483
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 4: the right thing. But you could see he was upset,

1484
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 4: Like he's a good kid. You could see that he's

1485
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 4: a he's a nice kid.

1486
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes you know, the accents.

1487
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 4: And everything throw you off, right, you don't get a

1488
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 4: good feel for the guy when we're talking.

1489
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: We you know, we understand each other.

1490
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 4: So I do think he's a good kid, and you know,

1491
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens in the future.

1492
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 5: All right, Right before we let you go, I want

1493
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 5: to get your thoughts on the fight of the night

1494
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 5: at bandam Way to rain Al Donna and Kodol Hose

1495
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 5: a turning not just to fight back and forth fights

1496
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 5: of the year, A lot of damage sustained on both sides.

1497
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, punches to the face

1498
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 5: are going to win more than leg kicks are. But

1499
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 5: I felt like Hose of his game as hell and

1500
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 5: very close to getting the biggest win of her career.

1501
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 6: Kemployer thoughts.

1502
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 3: I mean, that fight was just ridiculous and it was

1503
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 3: so cool because it started off, you know, kind of

1504
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 3: crazy and it just crescendoed at the right time. It

1505
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: got crazier and crazier. Uh. The toughness that both ladies displayed,

1506
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,879
Speaker 3: the adjustments that both ladies displayed out there was awesome.

1507
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: And you know, I've been one of those guys that

1508
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 3: for better or worse, you know, women's MMA hasn't hasn't

1509
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 3: always you know, attracted me to watch the fight. But

1510
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 3: women's MMA at its best, when you get fighters at

1511
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 3: the highest levels that for it, it's as good as

1512
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 3: any fight out there. And that was proof of that.

1513
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 3: Just tremendous heart, determination and skill by both ladies out there.

1514
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 3: I that was maybe my favorite fight of the night. Guys,

1515
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 3: I mean.

1516
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 2: Believable without without a doubt.

1517
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 4: I mean, just to be able to go through that

1518
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 4: pain like nothing's happened.

1519
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: That's what you want from a fighter.

1520
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 4: You bust it up and then they're acting like it's

1521
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 4: the first round and they both look like, you know,

1522
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 4: monsters by the end of the fight, like this was.

1523
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 2: This was crazy.

1524
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 4: There's definitely not a loser in that fight by no means.

1525
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I would have, just for the sake of sportsmanship,

1526
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 4: called it a fucking drawer.

1527
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. But that fight could have

1528
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: went either way.

1529
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 4: I agree with you, John, those leg kicks, but you

1530
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: know she was able to block the paint out there

1531
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 4: and not pleasant.

1532
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 2: Man, what she was able to do well.

1533
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 4: Donna again, coming off of a crappy performance against Paynya,

1534
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 4: she regrouped too.

1535
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: That's what the thieva the night is.

1536
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 4: People that you know coming they needed big wins, They

1537
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 4: needed to show who they are and they did.

1538
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 2: Emmittt did it. She did it, and she did it

1539
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: with some resistance. Man. You know, Emmittt didn't get the

1540
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: resistance that girl got. Uh woo.

1541
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 4: That was That was a crazy fight, man, But I'm

1542
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 4: uk that was to me was why well I liked

1543
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 4: that fight better than any fight.

1544
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I kept thinking about imagine the poor bastard that

1545
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 3: ever decided to put their hands on either of those

1546
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 3: two ladies, like a normal old dude who thinks he

1547
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 3: can do something like she would kill them. I mean,

1548
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: she would actually destroy that. Like those ladies are just

1549
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: some of the craziest warriors that I've seen. I mean,

1550
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 3: that was that was an absolute classic. Dude, what a fight.

1551
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 5: If I have to hear our producer Cody Merrow talk

1552
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 5: about his ability to beat any of these women in

1553
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 5: an mma, I.

1554
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 3: Might have forget fired.

1555
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 5: They would destroy you, Okay, they would destroy you. So

1556
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 5: I just have to say, though, Raine al Donna's ability

1557
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 5: to not give into that leg anything real lemp, I

1558
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 5: think really helped her win that fight. And Francisco Grosso

1559
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 5: to me, with respect to Pahompa, I'm not trying to

1560
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 5: steal the thunder of our award show coming up on

1561
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 5: January first, but like Francisco Grosso is my coach of.

1562
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 6: The year man.

1563
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 5: Like this the ability to turn these you know, developing

1564
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 5: average fighters into world class mixed martial artists. Just a

1565
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 5: lot of respect for both of these two women. And

1566
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 5: Ray I will say this was the night upon which

1567
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 5: I decided that my daughters will not be allowed to

1568
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 5: be mixed.

1569
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: Marshall, well, that yeah, a good point. That's a good point. John.

1570
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 4: You look at that and you go, holy crap. I

1571
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 4: mean you see that picture in the hospital with those two.

1572
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, man, I just hope I hope everybody's

1573
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 4: okay with that too.

1574
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: But we had what a fight. That was? What a

1575
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: fricking fight. Holy.

1576
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 5: So we're at the Penhouse this week, and I hear

1577
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 5: these guys start to talk about like the fact that

1578
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 5: you're not supposed to do necessarily ice your injuries anymore. So, Kenny,

1579
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 5: I don't know if you can expand upon this. I'm

1580
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 5: not trying to put you on the spot. We could

1581
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 5: talk about cryptocurrency and bitcoin two if you want. But

1582
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 5: I think Cody garbrandt icing his leg and I'm thinking,

1583
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 5: like they should put a big fucking ice pack on

1584
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 5: Kodolejos's face.

1585
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 6: But what were you talking about?

1586
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 5: That ice isn't necessarily the game changer that we've been

1587
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 5: led to believe for the last quarter century.

1588
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So they're talking about, like with things that

1589
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 3: happened with h let's say, like your ankle, you hurt

1590
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: your ank or your twist your ankle, like you know,

1591
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 3: there was this, you know, idea that if you ice

1592
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 3: it right away you can reduce swelling and all this stuff.

1593
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 3: And what they're saying now is that they're doing this

1594
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 3: big change and shift from icing it immediately to instead

1595
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 3: actually mobilizing that joint, actually smoothing around the ankle, actually

1596
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 3: walking on it. So instead of staying off, it's like

1597
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: don't do anything, you got to ice it. And all

1598
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: the stuff. The Medical Committee in general is kind of

1599
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 3: moving away from that model of not doing anything and

1600
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: resting to actually doing stuff. I don't think that's a

1601
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 3: great thing if you're getting hit in the head, to go, yeah,

1602
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 3: just get hit in the head again. I don't think

1603
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: we want to do that. But with like things like

1604
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 3: a sprained ankle or maybe a bruised leg from kicking,

1605
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 3: is actually you want to actually move it around. You

1606
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 3: want to get that blood actually flowing in and out

1607
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 3: of there. So icing isn't always the best approach, was it.

1608
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: Which is interesting even with like things like heart surgeries,

1609
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 3: now they're getting people up on their feet that day

1610
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 3: after the surgery to walk around, whereas you know, even

1611
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 3: as soon as just several years ago, they would always say, Okay,

1612
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: now just lay in bed, don't do anything. They're they're

1613
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 3: they're kind of moving away from that approach, which is

1614
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 3: pretty interesting. But man, that leg of all Donna, She's

1615
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 3: got me still feeling that today. Man, I'm real And

1616
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 3: the toughness, Like if there was one point where you're like,

1617
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if she's going to get out of

1618
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 3: this round, and she just got stronger, and she was

1619
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 3: like the Incredible Hulk. She got stronger with every kick.

1620
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 3: It was crazy.

1621
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me let me shout out my man, Mike Stella.

1622
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 4: He's an athletic trainer who works on me. Super nice guy,

1623
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 4: super intelligence. He's got a program called the End of

1624
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 4: the Ice Age, and he's he's a firm believer in

1625
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 4: exactly what you just said. And I don't want to

1626
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 4: paraphrase him because I'm an idiot, but he kind of

1627
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 4: even told me the guy that came up, the doctor

1628
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 4: or whober came up with the twenty minutes on twenty minutes,

1629
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 4: so that like a couple of years later he said, no,

1630
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 4: that was it was wrong.

1631
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 2: There was no you know, context to that, right, So yeah,

1632
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: you got to move.

1633
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 4: But I look, I can tell you even with my

1634
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 4: hip surgery, they weren't let me out of the hospital

1635
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 4: to I could walk up the stairs. That's two hours

1636
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 4: after the surgery. Now was ice a big part of that?

1637
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 4: I mean when I got home? Yeah, they had me

1638
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 4: ice in twenty minutes on because to trauma to the lake.

1639
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 2: But they're also having you move, right, So what is it?

1640
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 4: I mean, like I read years ago, wasn't even the

1641
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 4: ice that was doing it? Was the compression of the

1642
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 4: ice on it.

1643
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1644
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 4: So it's crazy, but uh, anybody interested get that end

1645
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 4: of the ice age program.

1646
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm taking her.

1647
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 3: They had you move around right after the surgery like that.

1648
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 4: I had to go now and I'm going to say

1649
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 4: two hours after the surgery, I had to go upstairs

1650
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 4: to be able to leave the hospital.

1651
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1652
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they want you moving and that's been you know, listen, well,

1653
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 4: even whenever you're hurt, it's always better to move. You

1654
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 4: sit on sitting on the couch and laying down for it.

1655
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 4: It's just not good, right right, It's just not good

1656
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 4: for you. So I think it all goes hand in hand.

1657
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 4: But very interesting point though with that. But with that

1658
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 4: being said.

1659
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 5: Look like Regis froze there for a minute. I don't

1660
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 5: hear a b froze for a split second.

1661
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 3: There.

1662
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 6: You want to get back, you're back, Yeah, yeah.

1663
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 2: I listened before we go.

1664
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if you go, if you get but John, first,

1665
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,480
Speaker 4: I want to say the Chris Widman Comeback documentary.

1666
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: I thought it was phenomenal. I'm glad you had a

1667
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: big part of that.

1668
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: Dude, just just speak so beautifully, and you know you

1669
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 4: got a great command of the English language. I mean,

1670
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 4: can you give me speaking lessons? That's all I'm asking

1671
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 4: because I thought you came across unbelievable on that thing.

1672
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 5: Well, thank you. I didn't know if I would end

1673
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 5: up on the cutting room floor. That was absolutely the

1674
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 5: way I was going to close our interview the East.

1675
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,839
Speaker 5: Oh you are Chris Widman the Return. It is available

1676
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 5: now on ESPN plus it did air on ESPN already.

1677
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, what was so interesting for me

1678
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 5: going back through that exercise, Kenny? When I found out

1679
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 5: that he sixty wanted to talk to me. I had

1680
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 5: to go back and watch Chris Widman break his leg

1681
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 5: and when I called it, I don't know if they

1682
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 5: put this in the piece. So shook obviously my relationship

1683
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 5: with Chris and Ray and any athlete really doing that,

1684
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 5: but obviously this is an athlete that I'm particularly close to.

1685
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 5: I called out the wrong leg, that he had broken

1686
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 5: his left leg instead of his right when I was

1687
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 5: doing the play by play.

1688
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 6: Because I was so fucking shook.

1689
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, I still I still couldn't watch it last night.

1690
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so rendered, But I tell you the old footage,

1691
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 4: how young he was when I first met him.

1692
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I looked like it's wild, you know, it's great.

1693
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 4: Look, he sent me a text last night and he said, look,

1694
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 4: I might have a drink at me, So I might

1695
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 4: erased this so just so you know, but it was

1696
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 4: a very nice text, Bice. I mean, just, I will

1697
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 4: always cherish those times when he first walked into the gym,

1698
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 4: and just, I mean, you lose sight of so many

1699
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 4: things over time, like how young he looked was unbelievable.

1700
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: To me, Like I just wow, just mad times, flying man.

1701
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 4: I'd like to slow it down a little bit, but

1702
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 4: it brought back some really good memories. Yeah, it was

1703
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 4: a great period of time for the gym, for everybody

1704
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 4: he involved this. This has been a crazy, crazy run

1705
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 4: for everybody. But God, bless the man he did get

1706
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 4: back in there.

1707
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 2: It's not an easy thing.

1708
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 4: Even he said, like, you know, he wanted to throw

1709
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 4: the kick, but he could, and you know, so we

1710
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 4: know he's human. At least that was a good sign. Yeah,

1711
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 4: you know, because starting to think he wasn't human. But

1712
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 4: uh yeah, crazy, great job, ESPN, great job. I think

1713
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 4: Frank Sarasino, I think he was producer.

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01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: Obviously. Stefania Bell would love, great interviewer, came across great

1715
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: on the camera.

1716
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 4: Everybody was just they did a beautiful job with that,

1717
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 4: and I was glad I could be a.

1718
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 2: Part of it.

1719
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 4: And I'm glad I joined him on that journey man

1720
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 4: because he's he had some rise and you go back

1721
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 4: to those ring of combat fights even takes me back.

1722
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: It was so exciting.

1723
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 4: Sometimes those little local shows are just more, you know,

1724
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 4: they just they're just better for some reason because of

1725
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 4: the you know, the tightness of the crowd, and you

1726
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 4: got the whole neighborhood there. It's neighborhood against neighborhood. Some

1727
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,440
Speaker 4: of that stuff is priceless.

1728
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 5: Well, and as gracefully as you have aged Raymond. Do

1730
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 5: you know who else look pretty young in that footage?

1731
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 2: You? That's because I was young.

1732
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 6: He looked like a baby ray Long ago.

1733
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 5: He's on Twitter, pretty active on that x dot com

1734
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 5: at ray Long Mma. His Instagram got hacked Zuckerberg, but

1735
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 5: he's at ray Long Mma nine three five eight if

1736
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 5: you want him there. Hey, thanks for the extended time here,

1737
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 5: my man. I'm actually here in Vegas still, but uh,

1738
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 5: we missed you this week. We're off next week for

1739
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 5: Christmas and then we have our award show on Monday,

1740
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 5: January first, and we would like you to be a

1741
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 5: part of that entire episode.

1742
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 2: So I would, I would love it. It's my honor.

1743
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: I want you guys to have a great holiday.

1744
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 4: I consider you guys family John, and that's why the

1745
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 4: Colby thing, and I'm not I want.

1746
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: You to let it go. I'm not.

1747
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 6: I've let it go.

1748
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, and I consider you a fam as well.

1749
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 5: We absolutely love you. We appreciate everything that you have

1750
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 5: done for this program. And if you do want to

1751
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 5: support Ray, Ray long go minute merchandise all available at

1752
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 5: john anat dot com. We missed out here, buddy, but

1753
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 5: uh hope to see you soon. Have a great holiday,

1754
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 5: and uh, I guess we'll talk to you in twenty

1755
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 5: twenty four.

1756
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen again, listen? Can we fix our awards like this?

1757
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 4: Stupid fighters only fix their awards? Can we fix them?

1758
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 2: Well?

1759
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 6: Is a meritocracy?

1760
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 4: So I say next week we all go home with

1761
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 4: our awards. We should have gotten left. How's that, Jimmy?

1762
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? How about we go by square footage? How many people?

1763
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 4: Hey coy maybe no wait, wait, hold on second, hold on,

1764
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 4: hats off the Lambert and everybody I funk around with.

1765
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: This shit is meant to be fun.

1766
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 4: But uh, hats off to Lambert Poaloopa, everybody, Bamman, whoever

1767
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 4: you know won the categories.

1768
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was fun. I enjoyed watching the show,

1769
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 2: so it was awesome.

1770
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 5: Well, if you're really interested, maybe Cody can connect with

1771
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 5: you off the air and you can actually give award

1772
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 5: winners for all ten of our awards, just like Kenny

1773
01:22:59,400 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 5: and I do.

1774
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 6: We love heavy all right right, we will.

1775
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 5: Talk to you on Monday, January first. We'll need a

1776
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 5: couple hours of your time. That will be our award show.

1777
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 5: And I can tell you this, You're not my coach

1778
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 5: of the Year, but Kem Flow gave you the awards,

1779
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 5: so there you go, you know, because no it actually

1780
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you the hardware.

1781
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 6: Deat the fuck out of here.

1782
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: Thank you, my man.

1783
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 5: Take it easy, guys, Ray Long meant it every week

1784
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 5: here on the Annakin Floran Podcast. So in nineteen eighty two,

1785
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 5: I had a spiral fracture of my femur. My twin

1786
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 5: brother and I were moving a TV away from the

1787
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 5: wall and our home in Wellesley, Massachusetts, and might have

1788
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 5: been Natick at the time, fucking Natick. Actually we might

1789
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 5: have been in fucking Bill Rickett. Wait wait were We're

1790
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 5: fucking Danvies. No, we were in Wellesley and we were

1791
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 5: moving a TV away from the wall that was on

1792
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 5: a stand, and I kind of tripped and fell. Jake

1793
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 5: kept pushing the TV slides off the stand, spiral fractured

1794
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 5: my femur instantly. I went into shock, right, but just

1795
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 5: piggybacking upon the point you made ear Our former UFC

1796
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 5: producer Mike Ricci, when his son George broke his leg

1797
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 5: at eight or nine years of age in twenty twenty one,

1798
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 5: they had him walking on it the next day. I

1799
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 5: was in traction for eight weeks with a pin through

1800
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 5: my knee, shitting in a bedpan, not doing anything. So

1801
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 5: the medical game has changed significantly in forty years, and

1802
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 5: it sort of backs up the points you were making earlier.

1803
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 5: All right, Congratulations to all the other big winners. Cody

1804
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 5: Garbrant back in a big way. Alonso Manifield. Nice to

1805
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,879
Speaker 5: see his power rule the scorecards there against Dust and Jacobi.

1806
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 5: Congrats to all of those of you that cashed on

1807
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 5: Manifield plus two hundred or better. Arianni Lipsky. I feel

1808
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 5: so good for this fighter.

1809
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 2: Right.

1810
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 5: You could just tell the focus in her eyes all

1811
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 5: week was undeniable springs. The upset against Casey O'Neil gets

1812
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 5: a fifty thousand dollars bonus for the arm bar. I

1813
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 5: just want to get this out there because when I

1814
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 5: went and spent extended time with Amanda Nenez at the

1815
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 5: lion S studio before she fought a rain A al

1816
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 5: Donna this summer, Arianni Lipsky was just working man. She

1817
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 5: was the only one in that Lioness studio. She was

1818
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 5: working the whole time we were talking. She was a

1819
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 5: mans primary sporting partner, and you know, she came to

1820
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 5: the UFC with expectation, and I just feel really good

1821
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 5: for her at this stage of her career to have

1822
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 5: won three fights in a row and to get a bonus,

1823
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 5: like it's just really it's really cool for her. Congratulations

1824
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 5: to tagir ulan Bekov. He submits Cody Derdan Andre Feeley

1825
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 5: with a big win over Lucas Almeta, and Shamil Gazide

1826
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 5: getting a bonus for his TKO of Martin Budai. All right,

1827
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 5: we are off on Christmas Day. We are back with

1828
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 5: you on Monday, January first. That'll be the first of

1829
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 5: two parts to our award show that comes your way there.

1830
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 5: If there is any nominee that you want to throw

1831
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 5: out there at Anti Florian Pod, we will go over

1832
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 5: all of the categories come the first of January. But

1833
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 5: anyone who you think we might leave out or could

1834
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 5: end up on the cutting room floor, all we ask

1835
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 5: at Kenny Florian at Anni Florian Pod, at Cody Underscore

1836
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 5: Marrow at John Underscore Anic let us know because we

1837
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 5: don't want to shortchange any individual.

1838
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 6: One thing that will be different about our award show

1839
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 6: this year.

1840
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 5: We're each picking two knockouts of the year because we

1841
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 5: came up with twenty seven knockouts that could have gotten

1842
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 5: the hardware, so that's the only difference. We'll each hand

1843
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 5: out eleven awards. Longo we'll probably hand out ten. And

1844
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 5: just wanted to thank our entire listenership and viewership Kenny,

1845
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 5: as I know you do on the way out. We

1846
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 5: have felt so much love and support from all of

1847
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 5: you people, whether it's supporting our merchandise initiatives at Johnannat

1848
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 5: dot com or alerting your friends to the show, or

1849
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 5: wondering why we don't have more views because you think

1850
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 5: it's the best MMA podcast in the world. We appreciate

1851
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 5: the fuck out of every last one of you and

1852
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 5: just wanted to say that. Also want to thank Brian Petrie,

1853
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 5: Ray Longo, Cody Mero, Jason Annick, everybody that has helped

1854
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 5: build this thing, Amanda Annick building out the website as well.

1855
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 6: Thank you all. Ken Fla, what do you got planned

1856
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 6: for Christmas? You got real tree, fake tree? What do

1857
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 6: you got?

1858
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 3: We got a real tree, man. My wife is a

1859
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 3: big real tree girl, so we got that in already

1860
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 3: all set up. The house is all Christmas dout. It's

1861
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 3: just gonna be us and the kids. So I'm excited, man,

1862
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: It's all about the kids. They love it. They've been

1863
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: excited every single day. We've been doing Elf on the

1864
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 3: shelf and nice they're excited about So yeah, man, it

1865
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 3: should be fun.

1866
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 5: So I think I have about as much Christmas spirit

1867
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 5: as any Jewish man.

1868
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: I know.

1869
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 5: Big Ron likes to suggest that, like, I'm kind of

1870
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 5: a fake Jew, but I was bar Mitzlet But I

1871
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 5: have a lot of Christmas spirit. I didn't grow up

1872
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 5: with a Christmas tree, so it was very exciting upon

1873
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 5: getting married to have a Christmas tree all the time.

1874
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 5: We've had a real tree every year until this one,

1875
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 5: and we have the fake tree. And I don't know

1876
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 5: how I feel about it because it doesn't smell like anything.

1877
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 5: I guess the caveat is that it won't die on

1878
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 5: December seventeenth.

1879
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 3: And you don't get all that damn whatever, the stuff

1880
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 3: that trickles off all over the rug and all over

1881
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,440
Speaker 3: the floor. Right, So yeah, the needles.

1882
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 6: There you go, right, my dog eating all the needles.

1883
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 6: All right, We got to get out and out of here.

1884
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 5: Thank you to Ray Longo, our executive producer, Cody Merrow,

1885
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 5: and thanks to every last one of you. Check out

1886
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 5: the website John anick dot com. Holiday sales going on

1887
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 5: right up to Christmas. Also Ken Floor. Are you still

1888
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 5: on cameo or no? I am on camea So we

1889
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 5: don't promote our cameo pages, right, and there are reasons

1890
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 5: why we don't do that, but I just wanted to

1891
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 5: say if you are looking for a last minute holiday gift,

1892
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 5: we will provide videos for you on Cameo.

1893
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 6: We are both active on that app.

1894
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 5: And uh, I've had a lot of great connections with

1895
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 5: fans over the years, So if you are looking for

1896
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 5: a last minute gift, we would be happy to provide

1897
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 5: that for you. With that for Ken Flow, I'm John,

1898
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 5: and thank you all for watching, for listening. Tell your friends,

1899
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 5: Happy New Year, Happy holidays. We will see you in

1900
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. Until then, you fucking late?

1901
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 3: Y Are you shureing? Were not the boss?

1902
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1903
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 3: Maday, Bread, he's gone bread.

1904
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:47,919
Speaker 4: To make a phone.

1905
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 3: A lovely day, He's the soul tuber.

1906
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Bread.

1907
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 3: He's gone bread.

1908
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 2: He's gone bread.

1909
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 3: God, lame press.

1910
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: Just do the best that you can't keep your hands.

1911
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 3: On the back.

1912
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: Here the open. He's gone red.

1913
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 6: He's gone red.

1914
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 3: He's going red.