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Speaker 1: A phrase you'll here thrown around often at Portland protests

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Speaker 1: is diversity of tactics. It's a civil revolt organizing principle

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Speaker 1: and was popularized by people like Malcolm X. Diversity of

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Speaker 1: tactics emphasizes making periodic use of force for defensive or

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Speaker 1: those who practice peaceful protests and those who are more militant,

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Speaker 1: with each other just because we believe in different methods

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Speaker 1: liberation activists increasingly supported this approach, with Gloria Richardson of

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Speaker 1: the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee declaring in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: level of insurrection. While support for a diversity of tactics

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Speaker 1: twentieth century, the phrase itself was popularized by the protests

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Speaker 1: against the Republican National Convention and Saint Paul Minnesota. In

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Speaker 1: which read as follows. Number one, our solidarity will be

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Speaker 1: and others. The principles were a rough compromise, the common

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Speaker 1: They would find no easy answers. Here's Garrison in Portland.

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Speaker 1: There has been even further distinction between peaceful protests i

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Speaker 1: still is a public perception that anarchists, protesters and rioters

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Speaker 1: In the fall, as crowds thinned and protests began to

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Speaker 1: move faster, the large, bulky shields were largely abandoned. I

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Speaker 1: some protesters in favor of umbrellas. Shields can be heavy

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00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: and awkward to move with. Plus there's getting the shield

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00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: to the action, carrying it around, and then figuring out

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Speaker 1: what you want to do with it afterwards. These are

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Speaker 1: all added considerations, particularly if you want to leave a

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Speaker 1: protest more covertly. As great as it may be to

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Speaker 1: have a wooden, foam or plastic shield in the moment

438
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Speaker 1: as you're deflecting grenades or pushing off someone, it may

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Speaker 1: not be worth all those extra tradeoffs, especially if an

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Speaker 1: umbrella can suffice in your immunitions shielding needs. Umbrellas are

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00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: more of a multi use tool that can adapt to

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Speaker 1: different situations and even be concealable, especially collapsible ones. While

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Speaker 1: not as sturdy as a shield, umbrellas are generally less

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Speaker 1: suspicious than huge wooden shield. A reinforced banner can also

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00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: provide some protection from munitions while also sending out a message. However,

446
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: some places have legal restrictions on what banners can be

447
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: made of. Throughout the summer, nightly actions focused on direct

448
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: confrontation with police, often returning to repeatedly confront the same

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Speaker 1: riot line. By August, while protest tactics remained largely unchanged,

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Speaker 1: the Portland police tactics began to change. PPB alternated between

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Speaker 1: Knights of brutal bull rushes and physical violence with only

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Speaker 1: few arrests, and other knights where they conducted mass arrests

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Speaker 1: of entire crowds. They're not how do you by fall,

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Speaker 1: Smaller crowd sizes and less frequent actions required protesters to

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Speaker 1: change up tactics as well. Repeated direct confrontation with riot

456
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Speaker 1: lines was in many ways a habit picked up from

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Speaker 1: the days of mass mobilization at the fence, and such

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Speaker 1: confrontations took arrests for granted. Protesters were being treated as disposable.

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Speaker 1: When Portland had been the focus of national news. Facing

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Speaker 1: down police lines reliably generated front page coverage of police brutality,

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00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: but by early fall Portland was no longer the focus

462
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Speaker 1: of attention, and over time the shock and awe of

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Speaker 1: footage showcasing police brutality wears off, even as people keep

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Speaker 1: getting hurt. By October, nighttime actions began to involve smaller

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Speaker 1: crowds of people on black Block, smashing the windows of banks,

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Speaker 1: real estate firms, and Starbucks coffee shops and then attempting

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Speaker 1: to vanish into the night. These actions raised familiar objections

468
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Speaker 1: from the more moderate sectors of the movement and fit

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Speaker 1: the right wing narrative of the destructive antifa boogeyman. But

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Speaker 1: as we touched on earlier, these actions were not to

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Speaker 1: gain good optics, but instead to vent frustration that the

472
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: previous demands for change had not been met and to

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Speaker 1: create an economic cost for the city in maintaining the

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Speaker 1: status quo. These marches echoed the black block snake marches

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Speaker 1: of the nineties anti globalization movement, and to a lesser extent,

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Speaker 1: the b water mantra of the Hong Kong protests, though

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Speaker 1: in Hong Kong, crowds routinely targeted civil infrastructure. This shift

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Speaker 1: in tactics resulted in less arrests on average. The smaller

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Speaker 1: crowd size made the diverse rules the larger demonstrations impossible,

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Speaker 1: and the prevalence of vandalism meant that those who were

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Speaker 1: arrested could face some harsher charges. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler

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Speaker 1: has admitted to the difficulty of combating such attack and

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Speaker 1: disappear actions, saying, quote, they pop up wearing black from

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Speaker 1: head to toe, They go down streets relatively quickly, then

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Speaker 1: they disappear into the wind. Those tactics have evolved to

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Speaker 1: a degree where we now find the law enforcement tools

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00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: of black clad ANTIFA militants has loomed large in the

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Speaker 1: nation's imagination. The garb, which Wheeler describes as black from

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Speaker 1: head to toe, is of course black. Block counter surveillance tactic,

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00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: which originated in Europe in the nineteen eighties and was

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Speaker 1: first popularized in the United States during the World Trade

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Speaker 1: Organization protests in Seattle. Traditionally, block serves to protect the

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Speaker 1: identity of individuals involved in militant action, and people in

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Speaker 1: block provide a defensive front line in larger protests, specifically

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Speaker 1: in confrontations with police and the far right. Theoretically, blocks

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00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: should make it difficult to identify the wearers, gender, race,

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Speaker 1: and age. This has led to activists in block being

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Speaker 1: glossed over as young white anarchists, which Costa takes issues

549
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: with people keep hearing that and believing in it does

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00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: kiss off some people of color to hear that, but

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Speaker 1: it's not true. There are there's plenty of people of

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Speaker 1: color that are in block, and there's plenty of people

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Speaker 1: in color. I would say the only people that are

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00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: the main people that whose ideas are listened to are people.

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00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Given the prevalence of both CCTV and phone cameras. In

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Speaker 1: protest settings, even the small details can be uniquely identifying.

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00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: At a Seattle made, a action in one activist was

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00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: ultimately identified by his shoes. As such, modern block often

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00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: includes removing logos and other recognizable elements from clothing. This

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00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: also means that moral patches or more tactical looking gear

561
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: can also be used to identify the wear. Block is

562
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: a tactic, not an organization, uniform or identity. Here's an

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Speaker 1: indigenous participant in the Wall of Moms describing how she

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00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: shifted from black block as the protests continued. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: up in block. I just like started just I just

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Speaker 1: went out with like a shirt and a a yellow

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00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: shirt and some like black pants and now like fool block,

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00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: like with everything, I have a bullet prospect I was

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Speaker 1: provided to me. Um. Yeah, so transition has been crazy,

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00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: the fact just a small amount of lens. Yeah so,

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00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: um it's just I'm really big on being autonomous, um

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Speaker 1: and not really having any leaders or things like that.

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Speaker 1: And um as I just want to be another face

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Speaker 1: in the crowd. I don't and I don't I want

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Speaker 1: to be unrecognizable. Um so I think that like that's

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Speaker 1: my block. Block is so important and also I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be targeted UM, and I want to be

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00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: able to like protect other people around me. It's my

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Speaker 1: responsibility to make sure that UM, I am unrecognizable to

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Speaker 1: like my other protesters and my friends, because if something

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00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: happens to me, UM, you know, one one wrong move

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00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: or getting docs or something like that can really affect

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Speaker 1: everyone around me. So that's why it was really important

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Speaker 1: for me to kind of transition into a block block. UM.

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00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: I've just been seeing so many of my friends and

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00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: comrades just kind of like getting docs, UM, just being

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Speaker 1: recognized by like small things, even if they're in block blox.

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00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: So UM, it's just it's I just feel like it's

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Speaker 1: my responsibility. If I'm going to be out there, then

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Speaker 1: I need to be UM like unnoticeable or unrecognizable. For

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00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: obvious reasons, block is only protective in groups and draws

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00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: the attention of law enforcement. Another aspect of wearing block

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00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: is bringing extra clothes and figuring out when and where

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Speaker 1: you should take off your black block or d block,

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Speaker 1: as you probably don't want to get snatched up and

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Speaker 1: arrested while leaving in action. In Portland on January one,

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00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: people were arrested on a sidewalk after a protest many

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Speaker 1: blocks away, just because they were still wearing black block

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00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: and in doing so much the supposed description of people

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Speaker 1: who vandalized a building I also wearing black clothes. Lots

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00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: of people actually wear normal clothes under their block, making

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00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: deep blocking a little easier, but people still need to

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Speaker 1: choose a time and discrete place to take off their

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Speaker 1: black outer garments. Besides shields, umbrellas and block, the other

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00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: gear people have acquired and brought to the protests also

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00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: helped set Portland apart. James from Portland Action Medics describes

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Speaker 1: how the gear their organization provided mirror the evolution of

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Speaker 1: the movement. The summer got really really wild and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, first we had respirators, some of us who

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Speaker 1: are more seasoned protest metics. Um, but they weren't widely

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Speaker 1: used because when thinking about cheer gases, like if there's

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Speaker 1: just a little bit of it, you can just walk away,

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00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: and like it will burn your eyes, but like if

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00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: you just go down wind or upwind, but it's fine

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00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: most of the time. But that's not true if they're

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Speaker 1: using extraordinary quantities of it, such the entire parks are

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00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: just full of gas. Right. UM. So we went from

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00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: the situation where UM respirators were kind of this niche

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Speaker 1: like gear head thing to an absolute necessity, basically overnight. UM.

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Speaker 1: And then we learned a lot about what kind of

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Speaker 1: cartridges filter out COVID versus what kind of cartridges filter

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Speaker 1: out tear gas, and how to combine them with each other.

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Speaker 1: And then we were like making little like tear gas

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00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: canisters snack packs for people that are like these sandwich

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00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: bags contain both together and you should just plug them

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00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: right in. We reassembled them for you. Here's your gas mask.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, well, what if we get

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Speaker 1: full face gas masks that have included eye shields. UM,

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Speaker 1: that should probably happen because we're in a pandemic. Portland

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00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: Action Metics and others distributed hundreds of respirators and began

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Speaker 1: using three D printers to make gas masks inserts for eyeglasses,

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Speaker 1: as glasses are notoriously incompatible with full face mask asks.

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00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: As police violence continued and violence from the far right escalated,

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Speaker 1: James says, additional gear became necessary. I think it has

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Speaker 1: mostly been in response to UM far right fighters coming

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Speaker 1: into Portland that we have really been UM a lot

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Speaker 1: more worried about gunshots intentionally being fired at people, potentially

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00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: in a mass way. Um. You know, like all police

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00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: come with guns and so that's always a possibility. But

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00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: like we have yet. We saw some brandishing of firearms

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00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: at people from the Feds over the summer, but we

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00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: have yet to my knowledge to see police fire live

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Speaker 1: rounds on protesters. Um. But the far right like constantly

644
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: runs around on the internet saying they're going to shoot

645
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: us every day, and so you know, depending on how

646
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: seriously take them, it's reasonable to prepare for sutras thing

647
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: and so um, especially over the summer as the rhetoric

648
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: from the far right increased in extremeness. Um. Plus the

649
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: I mean basically like someone's firing projectiles at crowd inscriminately,

650
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: then it makes tends to wear a helmet nfs, regardless

651
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: of who those people are. Um, and it's hard to distinguish.

652
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whether it's a cop or a fascist

653
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: that is not wearing uniform doing that. Right. Um, So

654
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: there's that, Like throughout the summer, people were like I

655
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: need ballistics, I need heavier ballistics. I need a helmet,

656
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: I need a better helmet, I need goggles, I need

657
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: better goggles. I need shadow proof goggles because we got

658
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: seeing people just get really badly fucked up by projectiles. Um,

659
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: So there was that. But then yes, specifically when it

660
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: comes to gunshot wounds, we did a lot of preparations,

661
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: especially thinking out to the election, frankly, because the rhetoric

662
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: about what people wanted to do was really scary and

663
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: it's it's always impossible basically to tell how seriously to

664
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: take these people. Other necessary gear is ear protection for

665
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: flash banks. This can be little film ear plugs or

666
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: more bulky noise canceling headphones. Air protection became very important

667
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: during the Fed War, as flash banks from the Feds

668
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: are way more powerful and damaging than the ones Portland

669
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: police use. Here's Donovan Smith tear gas. It was used

670
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: almost every night in the more than one days of

671
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: protests in Portland, both by local police and then rebbed

672
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: up again during the federal occupation. But what exactly was

673
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: this so called gas that was filling the streets of

674
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: Portland each night anyways? Well, turns out it's a wartime

675
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: chemical band. By the nine Geneva Convention following the First

676
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: World War a protocol and nixing the use of poisonous

677
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: gases during warfare was adopted, including some lethal compounds like

678
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: chlorine and hydrogen gas. And while its name sounds like

679
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: something that would make you feel similar to cutting up

680
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: onions at dinner, a deeper looking to its true effects

681
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: begin to open up a much clearer picture on why

682
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: it's been banned as a tool of warfare for decades.

683
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: Turns out, tear gas isn't even a gas at all.

684
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: It's sort of a chemical explosion, one where a chemical

685
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: powder gets heated up really quick and mixed with the

686
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: solvent and finally release as an aerosol and waila tear gas.

687
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: It's sole purpose from there is to induce pain. Dr

688
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: Anita Randolph explains its effects here. She let a research

689
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: paper on the effects of tear gas, commissioned by Don't

690
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Shoot Portland's Publishing late June, just weeks after the uprisings began.

691
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: Gas is actually a solid um, that's why they're packed

692
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: in that canister um. So there's a few chemical reactions

693
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: that have to happen to convert it to a g

694
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: ass like substance. So when you're out there and you're

695
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: getting tear gas, you know, it's kind of like this

696
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: white mist or white powder everywhere. Um. And that's because

697
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: it has to be heated up to be able to

698
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: um be dispersed, right. And then once it's dispersed, you

699
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: have the big and then it just allows it to

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00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: spread over a larger radius. I think in the paper UM,

701
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: from our research, we showed that one canister tear gas

702
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: can reach like a four squared radius, which is like

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00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: a one loop around a track, which is large, right,

704
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: because once you stretch it out, that's a that's a

705
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: lot of areas that it can cover. UM. And it's

706
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: also like very potent to penetrate glass. Right. So that's

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00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: why people were dressing in layers too. Right. Even me,

708
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, when I learned that, I

709
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: was like dressing in layers, you know, people getting tear

710
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: gas or like shedding layers outside because it just it

711
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: just goes through and it just wants it's on your skin,

712
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: especially when you're sweating and those glands are open. It's

713
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: just very painful. UM. I can honestly say, I don't.

714
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not too motivated to get tear gas.

715
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: The pain isn't just exclusive to humans. Similar reactions are

716
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: caused in animals too, even causing death at certain levels

717
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: of exposure. A twenty nine team protests in Hong Kong

718
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: saw a nearby veterinary clinic forced to evacuate all its

719
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: feline patients after police began shooting the so called riot

720
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: control agents into the crowd of nearby demonstrators. Not all

721
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: the cats could be moved in time, though in one case,

722
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: an eighteen month year old cat reportedly began clawing at

723
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Speaker 1: its eyes after inhaling the gas. While there's little documentation

724
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: on how tear gas affected the critters of Portland's they

725
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: certainly wore a feature of the protests, with one standout

726
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: being a three hundred and fifty pound llama named Caesar.

727
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: His owner, a central organ man, says he bought Caesar

728
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: to the demonstrations to boost morale and would quickly depart

729
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: with him when munitions began sounding off. And while Caesar

730
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: went unscathed, we cannot say the same with certainty for

731
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Speaker 1: all our other furry friends. Another possible victim of Portland's

732
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: bouts of chemical warfare was one of the city's pride

733
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: and joys its environment. Early in the protests, concerned eyes

734
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: turned towards the LaMotte River, the de facto divider between

735
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: the city's east and west side. The thirteenth largest north

736
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: flowing river in the United States, the will Lammett also

737
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: shares the distinction of being a Superfund site, meaning it's

738
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: been pegged by the FEDS as one of the most

739
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: toxic sites in the entire country and not so distant

740
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: relic of the heavy industrial activity, particularly along a ten

741
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: mile stretch spanning from the Burnside Bridge to Sylvie's Island

742
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: and short the Willamit is no stranger to abuse, but

743
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: some began to wonder if all the cs gas and

744
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: pepper spray runoff was furthering those harms as cleanup crews

745
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: powerwashed the residue into storm drains leading to the river.

746
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: The city's Bureau of Environmental Services began vacuuming tear gas

747
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: residue from the drains surrounding the downtown Justice Center in

748
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: August during the FED occupation to prevent any toxic carms.

749
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Speaker 1: But despite a wealth of research on the effects of

750
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: tear gas, little seemed to be known on both its

751
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: short and long term effects on the environment, so the

752
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: move came as a bit of a preventative shot in

753
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: the dark according to the Bureau. At the very least,

754
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: the gas was an illegal discharge, as no other substances

755
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: besides rainwater are allowed down the drains. Morgan from the

756
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Mutual Way Protests clean up group Team Raccoon so they

757
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: could feel the remnants in the air returning to ground

758
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: Zerio every morning. Um. Basically, we we got a little

759
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: bit of money from mutually donations and we were wondering

760
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: what because part cleans are pretty low cost, you know,

761
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: trash bags, trash grabbers doesn't cost a lot of money

762
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: to maintain. So we were wondering, like, what do we

763
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: do with this money that will really help our community.

764
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: And we were noticing the air quality in Loudsdale and

765
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: Chapman getting worse and worse and worse because of the

766
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: tear gas and the chemical munitions every night. Even just

767
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: walking through there during the day, you wanted to put

768
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: your respirator on. At the end of July, the move

769
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: led to a mass mobilization of respirators and on the

770
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: ground research into the gas Morgan continues. So we we're

771
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: connected to some researchers who wanted to keep a certain

772
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: level of anonymity, and we decided the best way to

773
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: do that was through US. We could accept filters from

774
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: the protest community and we could give them to the researchers.

775
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: The researchers could conduct their studies and the privacy that

776
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: they want, and we could use mutual aid money to

777
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: facilitate that. Meanwhile, city bureaucrats began running their own tests

778
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: on the sediments collected from the nearby reins to test

779
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: for the primary chemicals associated with tear gas, hexa villa, chrarium,

780
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: pe joliot, barri um, and sinide. The following month, the

781
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: Bureau released its finding, saying that while there were higher

782
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: levels of toxins at the source of the storm drains,

783
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: by the time they hit the river levels were pretty

784
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: much normal. The results only accounted for the August round

785
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: of chemicals found in the river. B As officials insisted, however,

786
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: that the testing was thorough as an accounted for the

787
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: build up of chemicals that have been deployed since the

788
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: George bo uprisings in late May. This didn't stop five

789
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Speaker 1: environmental groups from teaming up to launch a lawsuit against

790
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security, alleging they were out of

791
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act by not conducting

792
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: an assessment on the impacts of their gas ahead of

793
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: using it, breaking federal law represented by the a c

794
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: l U. The groups seeked a come plete savage and

795
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: federal usage of tear gas. DHS ended up pulling out

796
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: before the ruling was made, but the question continued to loom.

797
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: What exactly were the long term effects of tear gas.

798
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: It's a question that's further complicated when considering the findings

799
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: of Chemical Weapons Research Conservatorium, who say during the FEDS occupation,

800
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: a mix of CS gas and toxic chemical smoke grenades

801
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: made Hexa chlor thane or HC gas. HC is a

802
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: toxic compound band by the US military for its severe

803
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: health effects, but was deployed repeatedly by federal agents against

804
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: the people of Portland's easily identifiable by the way the

805
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: canisters glow red, continuously spouting dents opaque smoke for a

806
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: minute or more. Juniper Seminists, who helped lead the research team,

807
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: explains its effects here. Um I saw a number of

808
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: people that had basically chemical burns, the chemical miss burns

809
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: UM that they had never had with other gases UM

810
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: the uh stomach set of symptoms. So if you ingest it,

811
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: which you would do through gulping um or just having

812
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: your mouth all been walking through gas. UM. That will

813
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: cause vomiting, UM, nausea, UM, and that whole kind of

814
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: set of symptoms. Because your body knows that zinc is bad,

815
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: it wants it out UM in your lungs. However, UM

816
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: what happens is um zinc chloride is really corrosive because

817
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: of the chlorine. Among the complications, a number of protesters

818
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: reported having prolonged regular menstal cycles, sometimes bleeding for weeks

819
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: after exposure to the gas. Oregon Public Broadcasting spoke with

820
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: twenty six people attended the protests and self reported changes

821
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: in their bodies. Effects reported included trans people who would

822
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: cease taking testosterone shot, beginning to menstruate again. Others reported

823
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: pain so uncomfortable they had to take a trip to

824
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 1: the hospital and one month alone. Others reported multiple cycles

825
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: for a long time, Especially right now with COVID, we

826
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of hard to tweez out. If somebody

827
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: has a long term symptom that's gonna linger for a while.

828
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: I think due to the pandemic, it's going to confound

829
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: a lot of these things, a lot more is gonna

830
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: make it a lot more difficult to tweez out one

831
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: from the other definitively, you know. Um, But I do

832
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: think it needs to be investigated. I hope people don't

833
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: forget about it, especially what the unhoused. You know, Portland

834
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: has a really high number of unhoused individuals, and my

835
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: heart broke for them, like every day because you know,

836
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: we pack up and go home, but you know, we're

837
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: we're in their space essentially. So if it's getting tear

838
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: gas every single night constantly, they are actually the ones

839
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: that's getting exposed the most and have the highest freculacy

840
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: of exposure. Um. But for whatever reason, it's not too

841
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: many people advocating for them in this space. So I

842
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: just really wanted to throw it out there. While no

843
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: definitive links have been made yet between tear gas and

844
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: the regular cycles, the string of complaints made for yet

845
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: another worry as protesters hit the front lines each night,

846
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: facing off with the police force armed with the band

847
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: war chemical whose true effects may not be known for

848
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: years to come. About a week after George Floyd's murder,

849
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: don't Shoot Portlands lost a class action lawsuit against the

850
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: City of Portland's alleging indiscriminate use of tear gas and

851
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: excessive force at the hands of the Portland Police Bureau.

852
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: Shortly thereafter, U S District Judge Marco Hernandez ruled in

853
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: their favor, placing a two week restraining order on the

854
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: Bureau until further court ruling. However, there was a catch.

855
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: In his ten page ruling, the judge wrote the following quote.

856
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: In addition, tear gas, you shall be limited to situations

857
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: in which the lives are safety of the public or

858
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: the police are at risk. This includes the lives and

859
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: safety of those house at the Justice Center. Tear gas

860
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: shall not be used to disperse crowds where there's little

861
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: or no risk of injury. End quote. That little or

862
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: no risk left a lot up to interpretation for the

863
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: Portland Police Bureau. Governor k Brown signed a bill that

864
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: had banned tear gas following Hernandez's ruling that followed similar

865
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: directors In July, tear gas was banned only into the

866
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: police declare riot loudly. Police had already been loosening their

867
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: existing directors for when and when not to use tear

868
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: gas up until then. The only thing preventing thousands from

869
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: being draped in wartime chemicals. Was officers on the ground

870
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: declaring the gathering a quote unlawful as sim BLI. After that,

871
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: you'd have to hear something like this a few times,

872
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: the youth of tear gas, crowd control agents, and or

873
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: impact button. Once this request for dispersal was given over

874
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: the loudspeaker a few times, it was up to the

875
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: incident commander to give the green light on firing the

876
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: gas into the crowd. After the so called temporary band

877
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: things pretty much continued to follow this pattern from the

878
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: police chief to the mayor. Officials at the city continued

879
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: to argue that tear gas was a key tool and

880
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: the cops arsenal to disperse protesters, but despite the questionable

881
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: use of ports preaching the First Amendment, the gas often

882
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: encroached on those who weren't even on the front lines

883
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: of the demonstrations. Tear gases gripp looomed across the city,

884
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: and in the case of Demesia Smith, it followed her

885
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: family home and all of a sudden they've seen flashing

886
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: lights and looked outside and the whole p p A

887
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: building was lined with riot officers and uh, the last

888
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: time we had protested, I don't remember the exact day.

889
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: We were downtown, and it was the day it made

890
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: news that the police had tear gas, Like, um, there

891
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: was a group of protesters that weren't a part of

892
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: like a group of three thousand people, but the police

893
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: like tear gas everybody it was that was down there.

894
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: My son was caught in the middle of that, so

895
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: he'd like already been like on edge about police. So

896
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: he called me freaking out that the right police were

897
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: all front of p A building in front of my

898
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: mom's house, and he was like crying, like hysterically, like

899
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: he didn't know what was going to happen, and he

900
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: was just telling me to be careful. And there was

901
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: no protesters there. It was just all police, but like

902
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: their presence like had him freaked out and crying. So

903
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm leaving work and when I come home, so I

904
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: can't park there, can't even get through to there because

905
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: at that time, now the protesters have made it to

906
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: the p p A building as well as the right officers.

907
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: So I'm like circling around, circling around, and I couldn't

908
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: park anywhere close enough. So I parked my car at

909
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: home and walked all the way through because I'm trying

910
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: to get to my kid. So I'm walking through and uh, everybody,

911
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you just start seeing smoke whatnot.

912
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: But again I'm in mom mode and like, that's my house.

913
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: And again I already the police aren't. I've witnessed the

914
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: police not acting right there in protests like no, they're

915
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: trying to push me back, and I'm like, I've lived

916
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: right here. You guys can see my ID. One days in,

917
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: crowds continued to show up and cops continue to guess. Two.

918
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: Mr Ender lives just off the Ventura Park in East Portlands.

919
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: On the hundred night of protests, he found his neighborhood

920
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: blanketed in tear gas and I was like, oh jeez.

921
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: So then at that point, we make our way past

922
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: tear gas again and uh basically climbed our little fence

923
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: and jump over that to get inside our house and

924
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: make sure all the windows were closed, and then we

925
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: put towels under the the two kids rooms. I mean

926
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: we have at that point, we had a one month

927
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: old child, two month old child, and a two year

928
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: old child. And uh, it's incredibly scary to have tear

929
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: gas deployed. Um it was more than one canister of

930
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: tear gas that was deployed in front of our house. Um,

931
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: and you know have anywhere to go, So the police

932
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: are on all sides of my house. Um, there's loud speakers, UM,

933
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: loud noises, Uh, tear gas being deployed. I mean the

934
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: streamer from my house was a war zone. Um. The

935
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: police turned it into a war zone. And the response

936
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: was over the top. Um it was, in my opinion,

937
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: meant to chill speech. And UM. I mean we don't

938
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: have gas mass in our house and they don't make

939
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: a gas mask for a two month old child, and

940
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: so our options is limited. I mean it's if if

941
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: it was a private individual doing this, I could defend

942
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: my house. Um, but I don't have that luxury when

943
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: it's the government doing it. A member of Team Raccoon

944
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: have been cleaning up trash and spent munitions at protests

945
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: throughout the summer. After the ongoing gassing of neighborhoods, they

946
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: shifted to supplying families with respirators for their children. What

947
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: we found was that the best situation was three M

948
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: respirator for ages about seven and up and younger than that.

949
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: What we do is we get something called a bar

950
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: To system, which is a pressure positive hood that also

951
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: has a straw and a sippy cup, and it's made

952
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: for young children. The pressure positive hood helps so they

953
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: don't have to have anything strapped to their face. And UM,

954
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: the motor keeps it keeps filtered air moving through the hood,

955
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: so it never, um, it never stops moving out and

956
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: that's how they keep the tear gas away from children.

957
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: For infants, we weren't really to find something that was

958
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: super affordable and um easy to get, So for infants,

959
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: we basically suggest, um what people do when UM they

960
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: are trying to keep tear gas out of their homes,

961
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: roll up a towel and put it under the door. UM.

962
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: Try to get as far away from windows or any

963
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: exit points as possible if you need to evac, you know,

964
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: try to make sure that you get too safe air

965
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: as quickly as possible. But there aren't a lot of

966
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: answers when you're talking about infant impact and tear gas

967
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: or prevention from getting tear gas in infant's lungs. As

968
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: the smoke from September wildfire settled over Portland, Mayor Wheeler

969
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: issued a ban on cs gas Wheeler's police bureau pushed back.

970
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: Both the police chief and their union had publicly rallied

971
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: against him, with the Portland Police Association launch in a

972
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: full on petition railing against the ban. Then the smoke cleared.

973
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Just days after Wheeler's ban, a familiar scene formed outside

974
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Building, with calls by protesters

975
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: to abolish ICE. A group of about a hundred gathered

976
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: outside the facility and were met not by PPB but

977
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: federal agents. Shortly after nightfall, tear gas ensued alongside pellets

978
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: and smoke bombs. Wheeler and Police Chief Level were quick

979
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: to announce that their bureau wasn't responsible for the night's chaos,

980
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: which ended with nearly a dozen arrests. Protests continued in

981
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: much this way in the days following the wildfires, direct

982
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: actions around town at night drawing out a few dozen

983
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: people who would be met with police force and arrests,

984
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: and while the police force had yet to cease the

985
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: use of tear gas had come to a halt since

986
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: the mayor's ban. In the weeks leading up to the election,

987
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: much of the city's downtown corps was boarded up. Businesses

988
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: feared of broken windows. At the local level, an unpopular

989
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: mayor and police commissioner was set up for re election,

990
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: with many constituents divided over whether or not to vote

991
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: for his self described every day Antifa opponents Sarah Jennarone

992
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: and a community led ride in campaign for Don't Shoot

993
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: Portland founder Teresa Rayford, who came in third in the primaries.

994
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: This and other key council races had many on edge

995
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: for the future of the city. On top of that,

996
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: the decidedly blue Portland, which had just seen a fatal

997
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: clash of Trump caravans and BLM protesters, waited to see

998
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: if the forty five president who just occupied the city

999
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: would occupy the seat for four more years. Wheeler eaked

1000
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: out a win against his opponents, receiving less than the

1001
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: combined votes of Jenneronne and the riding's, but enough to

1002
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: secure his seat again to the lament of many activists.

1003
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: Trump lost to Biden protests and sued. Later that November,

1004
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: yet another tear gas related suit was filed, this time

1005
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: by inmates of the Justice Center. While the use of

1006
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: gas had come to a halt, their class action suit

1007
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: turned its finger at the Multnoma County Sheriff's office, alleging

1008
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: that from the first day of the protests, those caged

1009
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: at the Justice Center were left to suffer as gas

1010
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: from the outside seeped into their cells. More than three

1011
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: hundred inmates joined in the suit, many of them had

1012
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: yet to be convicted and were awaiting trial. The suit

1013
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: described a number of alleged incidents of inmates coughing, wheezing,

1014
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: and kneeling over in agony in the weeks of protest

1015
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: they were stuck in their cells, and some repeated a

1016
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: familiar refrain, one that sparked global uprisings, I can't breathe.

1017
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: Tear gas continues to be a tool used by most

1018
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: urban police departments across the country. The nightly chemical warfare

1019
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: that police enacted on Portland streets, along with other munitions,

1020
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: turned the city both into a battlefield and a testing ground.

1021
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: The true mental, physical, and environmental effects of the gassing

1022
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: may not be realized for years to come, but from

1023
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: Portland to Hong Kong, one thing remains clear. While protest

1024
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: tactics may adapt over the years, the response of governments

1025
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: remains largely the same, suppress and silence dissent. Portlander's continued

1026
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: to push back imperfectly, but with more skill. Some broke windows,

1027
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: while others simply claimed their streets, grabbed a bullhorn for

1028
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: the first time and demanded to all who could hear

1029
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: that withoutice, there would be no peace. From optics to effectiveness,

1030
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 1: some on the so called left were split on which

1031
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: roads best aided in the liberation of black lives, and

1032
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: while diversity of tactics got sticky at times, many will

1033
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: argue that the norm most protesters rail against is more insufferable.

1034
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: We quoted Malcolm X at the beginning of this episode.

1035
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: One of the most popular phrases he's known for is

1036
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: by any means necessary. As we reflect on the lessons

1037
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: of the ongoing movement for Black lives and the months

1038
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: of protests that took over Portland, will leave you with

1039
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: a more full version of that quote he gave during

1040
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: a speech at the founding of the Organization of Afro

1041
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: American Unity in nineteen sixty four. We declare our right

1042
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: on this earth to be a human being, to be

1043
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: respected as a human being, to be given the rights

1044
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: of a human being in this society, on this earth,

1045
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: in this day, which we intend to bring into existence,

1046
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: by any means necessary, last episode, you may remember us

1047
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: speaking with Junior Perseminists about chemical communitions used by the

1048
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: BEDS and local law enforcement during the protests. We wanted

1049
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: to offer a correction about some of the statements issued

1050
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: during that last episode. Junia Perseminis is in fact doctor

1051
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: Junior Perseminis, with fifteen years under their bilt as a

1052
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: quantitative conservation biologists, and the research we said they helped

1053
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: lead with chemical Weapons Research Concentatorium on hex chlorothane gas

1054
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: or HC gas, they didn't so much as help lead,

1055
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: but in fact spearheaded the effort with the assistance of

1056
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: some volunteers. There's in fact a wide ranging array of

1057
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,479
Speaker 1: research and science regarding h SA gas an tear gas

1058
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: out in the world, some dating bad decades, but even

1059
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: today researchers continue to unearth more understanding about what the

1060
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: real impacts of these chemicals are on humans, animals in wildlife,

1061
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: and the environment at large. Another thing is scientists are

1062
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: sort of constant skeptics, So when we say that no

1063
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: definitive links have been drawn when it comes to research,

1064
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: especially in the world of science, it's almost an oxymoronic statement.

1065
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: Everything can be challenged to gain better understandings of the

1066
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: floating rock we live on, and everything else beyond it.

1067
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: What we do know for sure is that the countless

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Speaker 1: Listen to deep Cover on the I Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: with joined me the host of Eating While Broke podcast.

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Speaker 1: While I Eat a meal created by self made entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 1: today I'm gonna break down my meal that got me

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