1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: So Michael vari show is on the air. 3 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: I read a post by fellow named mikein Netter that 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: I follow, and he said, Lois Gibson holds the world 5 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: record for the most identifications made by a forensic artist. 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: Since joining the Houston Police Department in nineteen eighty nine, 7 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: her detailed sketches became a powerful tool for solving crimes. 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 3: By twenty twelve, her work had contributed to cracking one 9 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty six cases. She would work another 10 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: nine years, so who knows how many. Gibson officially retired 11 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, leaving behind a legendary legacy as 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: the most accomplished and prolific forensic sketch artist in history. 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: Lois became a sketch artist after surviving an attacked by 14 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: someone later found to be a serial rapist and murder. 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: She took her pain and trauma and made it into 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: something to help others. We should all hope to be 17 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: the type of person who could turn trauma into power. 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: So I read this, I started calling cupo that I 19 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: knew and they would say, oh, yeah, Lois Gibson, She's 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: a legend. Called assistant district attorneys over the legend. So 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: one of them said, call your buddy ray Hunt. 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: He'll know her. 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: So I did and he did, and it really is 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: an amazing story, an absolutely amazing story. And she's our guest. 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: Leis welcome to the program. 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: Oh hey, Michael, I'll try to be nice to you. 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Oh please, I don't know what the alternative would be. 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Well, I'm really strong and I'm persuasive on the phone. 29 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: So whatever, Oh my goodness. 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: Anyway, it's great to be here. 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: Roll y'all might have to give us an you are 32 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: a legend. First, I want to talk about how you 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: got into this. A horrible thing happened to you, and 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: you took that trauma and turned it. Tell us, however 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: comfortable you are talking about what happened. 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: Oh, I have no problem. 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 4: It was. 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Fifty years ago. I was twenty years old. I was 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: a dancer on TV and I modeled and dayd movie 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: stars or wherever and way before I got attacked, I 41 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: decided I wanted to leave LA because well, is it 42 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: ever shallow? Ooh? And the dating is terrible? And then 43 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: a man attacked me in my apartment. He got in 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: by a rouse You know, Oh, criminals don't lie. No, 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: after working forty years on crime, I know they lie. 46 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: So he goes, I live in the building here, and 47 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: I want to why don't we just get acquainted. He 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: was outside my door, and I was very secure building. 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: It was near UCLA of professors and dentists lived there, 50 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: and so I thought okay, and I opened the door 51 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: and immediately snapped my head almost off of my thought. 52 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: So he was into choking and then he just choked me. 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: Now it was about twenty five minutes, but you lose 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: track of time when you're dying. And then he allowed 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: me to come too. He blacked me out, choking really 56 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: well while he's attacking me, while he's committing the quote 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: unquote assault. So he's choking me out. Four times I 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: blacked out, and the fourth time I came to the 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: way I saved myself is I laughed at him. This 60 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: true story. It just came to me after I went 61 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: to a seminar and I saw a woman who was 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: successfully hung to death. It was a post mortem a slideshow. 63 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: Now I'm going back to now two years ago, I 64 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: saw a girl who successfully had hung herself to death. 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: So that's what I looked like in the mirror, but 66 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: I blacked it out back to when I'm getting attacked. 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: The fourth time I came to I was positive I 68 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: was going to die. Trust me, so weak, so very weak, 69 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: after being strangled, and he's just strangling and having fun strangling. 70 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: So then I thought, you a good girl, because this 71 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: is it, this is my eternal perspective. How am I 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: going to be? And I thought, yeah, I couldn't think 73 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: of anything bad I'd done. I was a little goody 74 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: goody girl. Then for the first time, while I was 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: being choked to death, trust me, you'll close your eyes. 76 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: You will close your eyes. So I thought, okay, I 77 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: don't know why. I thought, I'll open my eyes. And 78 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: when I opened my eyes, it was the most terrific, 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: horrible person that I will not try to describe. But 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I knew that the lowest place, the worst place in hell, 81 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: this man was going to go. And I immediately the 82 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: number one the only feeling I had was sympathy and 83 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: compassion because he was so bad. So I thought of 84 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: him like my brother and I thought, oh, he's terrible. 85 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: And then when I thought back to me, it made 86 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: me laugh. And if you're dying, you will laugh. So 87 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: I threw my head back well, I opened my mouth. 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: I gasped for breath. I came to and I I 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: got him to finish. I got him to go limp. 90 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I got him to exhaust himself. So he went limp, 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: and then we both ran for the door. I was 92 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: living in an ice apartment. We ran for the door. 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: He got there first. I was real weak. He pushed 94 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: me back and closed the door, and I locked all 95 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: the locks. And then I went and saw myself as 96 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: a hung woman. Now he I forgave. Do you understand 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: I forgave the man that was killing me while he 98 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: was killing me. That's the only way you can think 99 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: of it, because the first and only thing I thought 100 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: was I felt sorry for him. Isiah took him and 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: as a brother. Then flashboard, I left La. I had 102 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: already saved money. I rode out and I moved to 103 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Texas by picking it out on a map I had drawn. 104 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: After I turned around seven times, five out of times, 105 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: my finger landed on Texas, and so I drove there 106 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: with no friends, no job. It just made it work. 107 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: Got my degree. That's why I came back and I 108 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: started at ut Arlington back in anyway, it took me 109 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: eight years to get through college. I waited tables. I 110 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: love waiting tables. I made a fortune in today's dollars. 111 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: I was making two to three thousand, well, that was 112 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: doing portraits on the Riverwalk. I'm sorry, one to two 113 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: thousand waiting tables. And then I stuffed the memory down 114 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: of being nearly killed. But when I got to Texas, 115 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: eventually I graduated from UT Austin and went to the 116 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: Riverwalk in San Antonio and did tourist portraits, which is 117 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: the most beautiful time of my life. I just sat 118 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: there and took cash from people. That's when I was 119 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: making around three thousand a night, and I did beautiful 120 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: fine art portraits of kids and people on honeymoons. And 121 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: after I was doing that, I did about three thousand 122 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: portraits so I could draw like a fish swims and 123 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: I drew so good. And then I fell in love 124 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: with the guy that I drew and moved to Houston. 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: And then I heard the news and I couldn't listen 126 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: to the news. And then the way I saw what 127 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: I was going to do is I was at my 128 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: girlfriend Diane's house on hewittt At forty third and they 129 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: came on the TV talking about a terrible rape of 130 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: a lady in Galveston. She was a dance instructor in 131 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: front of her little students, who were like children, twelve 132 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: eleven year old little girls. And I was so shocked. 133 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I stood up. I never listened to the news because 134 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't stand a here the R word. I can't 135 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: say rape. So they said that, and I went to 136 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: turn the TV off, and I relived my attack, and 137 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: I told Diane, I said, I could draw that guy. 138 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Why don't they let me draw the guy? All they 139 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: do is say five for ten brown here, brown eyes. 140 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm going that's everybody, yes, And then she goes, we'll 141 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: just call the cops, and I said no, I got 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: a practice hold on just a moment. 143 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: The most prolific sketch artist in American history solved more 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: cases than anyone, well over one thousand. 145 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: Lois Gibson is our guests. More coming up, mister Michael 146 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Berry taken from us far too soon. 147 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: I said, Grandpa wants this picture here. It's all black 148 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: and why and it ain't real clean? 149 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: Is that you there? 150 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: He said, yeah? 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: I was celebrated sketch artist Lois Gibson with the time 152 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: Houston Police Department for decades, well over a thousand cases 153 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: solved because of her sketches you'll see. 154 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: On the Blast today. 155 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 3: You can go to Michael Berryshow dot com and sign 156 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: up for the Black and you'll see some of the 157 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 3: here's the bad guy and here's the sketch she drew 158 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: that led to his apprehension. It's pretty darn impressive to 159 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: think from memory how these things were conveyed to her, 160 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: and then she made it happen just before we get 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: into the actual cases. 162 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: You didn't, I. 163 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: Guess you glossed over. How did you know how to draw? 164 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: I mean, if you were able to draw those portraits 165 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: of tourists, where did you learn that skill? 166 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: Oh? No, no, no, I was born with it. People 167 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: some people are just born and they haven't urged to 168 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: just draw faces. And that was me. So anyway, when 169 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: I was with Diane, I sent her to the gas station. 170 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: She got changed, and she came back. I couldn't see 171 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: the guy, and it seemed impossible. In fact, I tried 172 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: to quit, and she would push me around and I 173 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: finished drawing from her description, and then she said it 174 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: looks like him, and I broke down. We drove to 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: the gas station and it looked exactly like him. I 176 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: taught myself how to do it by just having someone 177 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: look at somebody hadn't seen before. I'm coming back and 178 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: I can't see them, and I offer people to do 179 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: that exercise themself. I have instructions on my Facebook page 180 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: and on my Lowest Gibson dot com, and I can 181 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: teach you how to do this. But back to yes, 182 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: the first time I did it. But then here's the 183 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: hard part. I needed to convince the police. Nobody uses 184 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: forensic artists. In fact that you know, the entire country 185 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: has only two states that have forensic artists, and there's 186 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: just one in Georgia who does the entire state. She 187 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: took my class, Kelly Lawson. She's better than me. A 188 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: love her, She's like my daughter. And then I have 189 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: started four artists here in Texas. The rest of the 190 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: country has none because everybody does not believe I can 191 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: do what I can do. But yes, even a semi 192 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: talented artist can draw a face that's going to resemble 193 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: the perpetrator for someone's memory. I'm positive, but I need 194 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: to come people. I wrote a book, Forensic Forensic Art Essentials. 195 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: You can get it on Amazon. I have it on 196 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: my Facebook and I suffered greatly for two years that thing. 197 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: Will give it to you. I made that book to 198 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: teach you, if you're out there and you can draw, 199 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: how to be a forensic artist for after I pass 200 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: away and go to the big drawing board in the sky. 201 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about that. So you didn't have official 202 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: training in that. Let's talk about in case Paul Baker, 203 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: who's my private investigator and dear friend, when his brother 204 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 3: was robbed and shot. He said, Lois Gibson came to 205 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 3: the hotel in the hotel of the hospital and drew 206 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 3: the assailant the purp. When you go in, when you're 207 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: brought in to begin drawing a sketch, walk me through 208 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 3: how that process works. 209 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: Well, it's really easy, and I have it describing my book. 210 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: But I'm going to tell you in sixty seconds how 211 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: you do it. If you're one of these weirdo artists 212 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: like me. There is a book called the Steinberg Catalog. 213 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: The whole the world uses it, and it has pictures 214 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: of eyes, lips, noses, et cetera. Right, wouldn't that be good? 215 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: And you can't even if you can't even talk. I 216 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: have people who can't talk. A four year old Jesus 217 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: parents killed. Anyway, the witness looks and picks out. You 218 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: get two books. So you have a book and they say, 219 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: that's the nose, that's the lips, and there's about two 220 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: hundred per category. And that's what I've used for years, 221 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: helped to solve over one thousands. So you get that 222 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: book and they say, it's those eyes. You draw those eyes, 223 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: these nose, draw that nose, et cetera. And you do 224 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: it where they're not looking. You compose it in good proportion, 225 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: and then you say, hey, I'll change anything you want. 226 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: And then you turn it around and do that. You 227 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: change anything you want, and that's how you do it. 228 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: So put yourself into the mindset of all these people 229 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: who had to convey something to you, and you're you're 230 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: like a medium. You know, you're the vessel through which 231 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 3: their memory has to has to come to life. What 232 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 3: are the shortcomings of rememory? Because I think to myself, 233 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: I look across the glass ramone every day. If I 234 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: sat down with you right now and we had to 235 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: draw him other than him being bald, I don't really 236 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: know that I could figure. I don't know what his 237 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 3: nose looks like, or his chin or whatever else. 238 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm sure Ramona is just adorable and gorgeous. 239 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: But listen, you say what everybody else says. Everybody says 240 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: they can't do it, but they're wrong. I'm right, Yes 241 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: you can. I've got people that were shot fifteen times. 242 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: I've got people and walked to football fields and nearly 243 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: blood to death. And I got a sketch that got 244 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: the guy. I had a four year old so parent 245 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: slashed death. I did one six years later from a 246 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: girl who couldn't speak and only blink for you. So 247 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: to now, no, no, no, false, Your belief is false. 248 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: If you got with me. First of all, I know 249 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: how to relax people really good. I know how to 250 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: make you feel better better because you feel terrible. And 251 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: then if you relax enough, you can remember your third 252 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: grade school teacher, or your first kiss. What did that 253 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: person look like? It's in there? And then if I 254 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: have a feature catalog Samantha Steinberg's feature catalog, if I 255 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: give you that, you will recognize features that are similar. 256 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm positive I have proof. But everybody believes like you 257 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: and that's why no police department in the whole country 258 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: almost has a forensic artist, and they should all have them. 259 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: They should all am positive. Of course, you think you're 260 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: talking from the the fronnelobe. You're talking about speech, and oh, 261 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, But the visual cortex is in the 262 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: back of your brain. And if I show you pictures 263 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: of noses and lips, instantly you recognize something that's similar. 264 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: Do you think that. 265 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: In a moment of trauma, a rape, of beating, an assault, 266 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: these awful things that your mind locks in with greater 267 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: acuity than you would normally. 268 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: Finally, you're right about witness memory. Correct. The worse the trauma, 269 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: the better the sketch. If you know how to handle someone, 270 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: have to be a bag and wonderful because you're gonna 271 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: meet with somebody that the worst thing in the news 272 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: just happened to them. So yeah, you just have to 273 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: get them relaxed. And there's so many techniques. I describe 274 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: them in my book Forensic Art Essentials. You take the 275 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: task away first of all, Like with you, I'd say, oh, 276 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: we don't have to draw a detailed no, no, no, 277 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: now we just have to draw the hair. Everybody remembers hair, 278 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: and you get them relax and like, was it a 279 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: man or a woman? Where Mon's a man? Okay, we've 280 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: gotten rid of half the population of the world. It's 281 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: a man anyway. You just narrow it down, get the 282 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: person relaxed, and show them pictures and they will It 283 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: will reach their visual cortex, which is very vivid. I've 284 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: done this from mentally disabled people. They could drive a 285 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: car but not do masks. I've done it from a 286 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: four year old who saws parents slash ship and you 287 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: listens Kansas and you just use the book. The four 288 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: year old he only spoke Spanish. I mean, could I 289 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: know have more handicapped. 290 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: Right this one moment. 291 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: Lois Gibson, sketch artist Extraordinaries our guests, just. 292 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: In here listening my very. 293 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: Lois Gibson as our guest. 294 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: She was the sketch artist for Houston Police Department for decades, 295 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: with a listing in the Guinness Book of World Records 296 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: for most crimes solved because of her sketches. Lois looking 297 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: at the sketches for some of the cases where the 298 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: guy was found. It feels like you're literally looking at 299 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: this photo and then drawing it because it is that good. 300 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: And again, part of your skill, as you said, is 301 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: not just drawings what's conveyed to you, but getting that 302 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: person to give you enough specificity to get this thing 303 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: down on paper. But tell me if there is one 304 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: case of yours that you are most proud of that 305 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: you say we nailed it well. 306 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: Officer Paul Deeson was on patrol and a guy got out, 307 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: shot him in the head, shot him in the back, 308 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: and then as he lay on the ground, and shooter 309 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: got in the car in renove and drug him sixty 310 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: five feet so he almost died. But I went to 311 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: the hospital just a little bit later and he was 312 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: all wrapped up in gauze and he doesn't remember doing 313 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: this sketch with me that I whispered in his ear. 314 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: I knew I was just going to be a voice, 315 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: and I tried to just sound wonderful, and I got 316 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: a sketch from him and they released it. Two guys 317 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: at the jail thought he looked like the sketch looked 318 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: like a guy that was arrested for shoplifting a chainsaw 319 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: from sears. Donald Dunn was shoplifted a chainsaw and got 320 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: caught for that and the guys at the jail said 321 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: that looks like the sketch, and they had a video 322 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: lineup and Paul these officers hospital and then he picked 323 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: him out. And then they went to the scene and 324 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: found the car that the show was in and this 325 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: is a Paul skin and uniform were hanging from the 326 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: edder carriage. So that was him. Now we nailed it. 327 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: I got him. I reached out for a helpless officer 328 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: who got killed, but he didn't die. He's the toughest guy. 329 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: I love this guy just because he's tough. But yeah, 330 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: I love that I reached out for a helpless. 331 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: Officer absolutely so. 332 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: I got an email from a fellow Tony who writes 333 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: Lois is awesome. I worked with her at HPD back 334 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: in one I took one of her sketches from the 335 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: roll call room at Westside and made it my mission 336 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: to find the Inwood rapist. While on patrol, I observed 337 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: a blackmail and a brown Oldsmobile driving east on Briar Forrest, 338 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: turning north onto Lake Side of States. The driver was 339 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 3: not wearing his seat belt, and after running his plates, 340 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: I found that the registration was expired. He pulled into 341 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 3: the car wash Greg Bingham's car wash and I pulled 342 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: in behind him conducting a traffic stop. I contacted Homicide 343 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: Sex Crimes took who agreed to accept a hold on 344 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 3: the suspect, so I arrested him on New traffic. When 345 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: they interviewed him, he confessed to his crime, to this 346 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 3: crime and ate others. It would not have been possible 347 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 3: to catch him so quickly if not for Lois Gibson. 348 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: She is a hero. That's gotta be nice for people 349 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: to see. 350 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 4: Oh love. 351 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: And then Tony, why didn't you tell me all that 352 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: that's wonderful. There's over a thousand stories. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. 353 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: That's why I live for. That's why I put up 354 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: with the grief. And I don't go insane with rage 355 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: and grief because I have to look at this horrible stuff. 356 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: But I get a chance to get the bad guy. 357 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 4: I love that. 358 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: I love that, Tony. 359 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: Well, you know the presence of forensic files and Dateline 360 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: and all these television shows and catching the bad guy. 361 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: To get to. 362 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 3: Do that in that way, I would have to think 363 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: it's so rewarding. 364 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got no everybody's trains. I'm weak, I'm 365 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: over emotional you can tell, but I use those emotions 366 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: in my art and to catch somebody. It's so beautiful. 367 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful symbiosis of you feel so sorry for 368 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: the person that's been nearly killed, and that emotion makes 369 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: you draw faster and better. Wow, I mean it enhances. 370 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: And then if it's a baby kidnapping. There was a 371 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: ten hour old baby kidnapped and I got with the 372 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: mother and that thing looked like a photograph and I 373 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: couldn't go to sleep. I said, I can't. After I 374 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: got home from the hospital and I said, I can't 375 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: go to sleep with that baby out there ten hours. Oh, 376 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: and they came on and Dave Ward was gone. They 377 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: got the baby bag and I saw them with the 378 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: baby and the girlfriend the kidnapper called up and they 379 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: got her instantly. So, oh no, there's no fulfillment for 380 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: an artist that compares to this. 381 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: I can't imagine. 382 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't imagine how rewarding that, how many people, 383 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: how few people get this opportunity in the course of 384 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: their life. I can also imagine the trauma that you endure, 385 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: because we know that just like being a medic or 386 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: in a Raq or Afghanistan, or just like serving in 387 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 3: Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam, you deal with that trauma 388 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 3: as well. I'm looking at a photo that's on your website, 389 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: and there you make reference to age progression. 390 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: So when we've got somebody that. 391 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 3: We maybe we even have a photo of and we 392 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: have to you have to do age progression, how do 393 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 3: you process what you're going to do there? 394 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: Oh that is so easy, and I covered in the book. 395 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: I mean I've done those since I was like a 396 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: little girl. They'd show Pat Sajak as a baby and 397 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: I go, oh, that's Pat Sajack. I mean, I do 398 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: it in my mind. So that's I'm the best at that. 399 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: I had one in two year old baby pictures and 400 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: they've been separated from the sister for thirty years. She'd 401 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: been looking for sixteen and I got her on Unsolved 402 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: Mysteries and they got her back that day and they 403 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: looked just like them. No, no, No, age progression is easy. 404 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: I love it. If you do my work, if you 405 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: do skulling constructions, and I have it in my book, 406 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: I have how to do edge progressions. It's real simple 407 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: if you're an artist. So I can look at babies 408 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: and I can tell who the mom and dad is, 409 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: and also I can tell how they'll look at like 410 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: as an adult. And I started doing that, and then 411 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: I had grand babies. I want to tell you my 412 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: grandbabies are going to be so good looking when they're older. 413 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: And I'm betting there's going to be lots and lots 414 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 3: of drawings of them as they get older and grow 415 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: into those photos. 416 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I already painted the one to the baby before 417 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: she got hair. No, No, I'm obsessive portraits of my 418 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: of my grandbabies for sure. 419 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: I think it is absolutely fantastic. It's it's incredible. I 420 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: think of all the victims who survived and their family 421 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 3: members and those who did not become victims of people 422 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: who were put away because of your work. It really 423 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: is incredible. Lois, a life well lived and incredible public service. 424 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: Thank you for being our guest, my dear. Our website 425 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 3: is Lois Gibson dot com, Lois Gibson dot. 426 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: Well. Thank you, Michael Berry. There's no artists doing this. 427 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: I want to start as many careers just happening. 428 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: Good, go ahead, you're good. 429 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: A bet at the bureaucracy where you're at to try 430 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: to get you used okay, be a forensic artists. 431 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 5: It strikes me as one of those things that as 432 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 5: big and bloated as major urban police departments are, or 433 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 5: if nothing else, the DPS doing it and sending it 434 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 5: in when they're needed. 435 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: The sad part is that there are this many crimes 436 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: for which we need for rental artists. 437 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: State Representative Brian Harrison, a Republican who has been very 438 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 3: hard on Abbott, Patrick Burrows and the Republicans in the House, 439 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: Senate and Governor's office to get the work done and 440 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 3: stop allowing the Democrats to obstruct it. He points out 441 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: that for all their tough talk two weeks ago, they've 442 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 3: now welcomed the Democrats back with open arms. State Representative 443 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: Brian Harrison. 444 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 4: It was literally two weeks ago today the governor issued 445 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 4: his threat any Democrat who doesn't show up at three 446 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 4: pm loses their job, gets booted out of the legislature. 447 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 4: That was three weeks ago. 448 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 6: Two weeks ago today, zero Democrats had their seats vacated. 449 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 4: They all came back to their parking. 450 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 6: Spots which were waiting there for them, and their staff 451 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 6: and their keys to their offices and the floor, and 452 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 6: they were welcomed back with hugs, hugs from the House 453 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 6: leadership team on the floor, hugging the Democrats. No, I actually, 454 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 6: for as low as I hold these the corrupt leadership 455 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 6: of the Texas House, I was actually I was expecting 456 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 6: some punishment, drama. 457 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: I thought we'd have. 458 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 4: Some fake punishments. They didn't even bother. He just welcomed 459 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: evolve back in, said that we need to move on 460 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 4: and get back to the people's business. 461 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 7: And don't call. 462 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 4: Each other any names. 463 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 6: Let's be nice, let's be kind, and then you're not 464 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 6: gonna get You're not gonna believe this one. 465 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 4: Not only did zero Democrats. 466 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 6: Get punished, okay, not one seed vacated, not one arrest. 467 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: And by the way, the warrants were supposedly still out 468 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: when they all showed up to the Capitol. I mean 469 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 4: they're like, you know, right there with DPS troopers. Not 470 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: one arrest, not one seniority, not one committees. You know, 471 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: whatever worse, the unimaginable he is rewarding at least one. 472 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 4: He has prioritized the bill of one of the radical 473 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 4: Democrats that broke Kormat, passing over just about. 474 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 6: Every other elected Republican to allow this Democrat who just 475 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 6: broke korm for the last two weeks to prioritize getting 476 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 6: a Democrat bill passed. Its House Bill ten, meaning it's 477 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 6: the tenth highest priority for the speaker, a Democrat bill 478 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 6: over the eighty eight Republicans in the Texas House. So 479 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 6: not only are there no punishments happening, they're being rewarded. 480 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: Well. 481 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 3: Disappointing but true. A Northern Illinois head football coach by 482 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: the name of Thomas Hammock had some very strong words 483 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 3: for young athletes. This is a subject that has interested 484 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: me to a great extent, and the reason is because 485 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: I like to create. I like to create scenarios where 486 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: you can have discussions of principles and use that scenario 487 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 3: to discuss the principles. To me, the issue of the 488 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: name image likeness, which really meant which really turned into overnight, 489 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: which we all knew it would. Paying players is a 490 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 3: fascinating discussion because I have friends who are damn near libertarian. 491 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 3: Their free market lass a fair believers, hyak proponents, and 492 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: they believe that the market place decide and everything except 493 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 3: college football. People get really weird on college football. Principles 494 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 3: don't matter in college football, so players can't get paid 495 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: in college foot. 496 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: You just can't have that. 497 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: You can't have it. They need to go to school. 498 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: They're getting getting they're going to school already, but they're not. Well, 499 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: we're paying for their school already, So that's the compensation. 500 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 3: That's not the compensation they choose. They don't want to 501 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 3: go to school. That's why you have to make them 502 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: go to school. That's why you have to punish them 503 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: if they don't go to school, because you're playing this 504 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 3: whole game. It's all a game, and we know it. 505 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 3: I love college football. I love the sport. I love 506 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: to watch it. But let's stop the student athlete thing. Sure, 507 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 3: there are some student athletes, there are some kids that 508 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: are going to get educations that wouldn't. But why on 509 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: earth do we waste all this classroom space and education 510 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: money on kids that don't want to be there in 511 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: the first place when there's other kids that do want 512 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: to be there. And if that is the point, these 513 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: are entertainers that we will spend a lot of money 514 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: to watch them play against each other at an age, 515 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 3: at a level in a way that is in some 516 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: cases more interesting even then pro football. I find that fascinating. 517 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: Why can't we just be honest about that. And then 518 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: you have guys like Nick Saban, who retired I think 519 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: early because he could no longer control the players because 520 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: now they were making money, so he could get ten 521 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: million dollars a year, but all they could have was 522 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: a scholarship and room and board, so he needed to 523 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: be making all the money, so they needed to come 524 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: to him, and then when all of a sudden, they 525 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 3: could leave him and go get paid somewhere else. He 526 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: didn't like that, and he said, I can't control the players. 527 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 3: That's also why he wasn't successful as a professional coach. 528 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 3: And I love Nick Saban, don't get me wrong, But 529 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: when he could no longer withhold being on the playing field, 530 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: which is your shot to the pros, he could no 531 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: longer motivate. So if you can't, if you can't coach, 532 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: that's the reason it's so different to coach guys that 533 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: are making a lot of money versus coaching college kids. Well, 534 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: now those kids can make a lot of money. So 535 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: this coach lost nineteen players to the transfer portal after 536 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: last year, and now he's pouting about it. Here's his statement. 537 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 7: I told our team the other day, you know we 538 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 7: lost all these guys, Let's see who plays. So it's 539 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 7: all good when people put it on Twitter. Hey, all 540 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 7: glory to God. I'm going on the transfer portal. Let's 541 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 7: see if they play. How many other guys gonna play 542 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 7: or travel or get snaps? You know, I was thinking 543 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 7: I was gonna tweet something the other day, a picture 544 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 7: of me and say, you know what, I enjoyed my 545 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 7: college experience. I didn't get one dying, but the lessons 546 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 7: I learned was more valuable than any money you can 547 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 7: ever pay me. And I appreciate that because. 548 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: That is long term. 549 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 7: People are losing the fact that this is short term. 550 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 7: I coached in the National Football League for five years. 551 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 7: Five years, right, don't lose fact, don't lose focus or 552 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 7: work the long term. Get your degree, learn valuable lesson 553 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 7: that's going to help you in the long term of 554 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 7: your life. That's the whole purpose. This is a transition 555 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 7: from being a kid to or grown up, and I 556 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 7: hope people don't lose focus of that. Everybody's talking about 557 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 7: everything else besides what is the most important thing for 558 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 7: going to college? Because if you going to college to 559 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 7: go get a couple of dollars, you might have to 560 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 7: go get a job. This is too hard to go 561 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 7: get a couple dollars. Learn the lesson that you need 562 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 7: to learn to be successful in life for the next 563 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 7: forty to fifty years of your life. That I would 564 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 7: do it again for free, for free because of the 565 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 7: things I learned. That's why I'm standing here today, because 566 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 7: of what I learned in college, not because of how 567 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 7: much somebody gave me. That's what I would tell people 568 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 7: and parents. They need to learn that lesson too. Stop 569 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 7: trying to live through your kids. Teach your kids what 570 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 7: of the things they need to learn to be successful. 571 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 7: That's what I'm telling my kids. 572 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: All of those things are true. But this guy knows 573 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 3: where he recruited these kids from. 574 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: You recruit these kids. 575 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 3: From the Acres homes in the third ward, in the 576 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: fifth ward, Sunnyside, and Hiram Clark. You recruit these kids 577 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 3: out of poor black neighborhoods where they live with their 578 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: grandmother and there's no money in that house. And that 579 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: kid at this age, as long as he doesn't blow 580 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: his knee or his ankle or his shoulder, as long 581 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: as he doesn't get into trouble, he can make money 582 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: right now, good money. Playing football. And you don't think 583 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: he wants to take care of his grandma. You don't 584 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: think he wants to drive a fancy car like Eric Dickerson. 585 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 3: You don't think he wants to make some quick cash, 586 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 3: probably more cash than in many cases they're going to 587 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: make the rest of their lives. And you're going to 588 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 3: tell them to deny that because you want them on 589 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 3: your team, because you want to win. And why do 590 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 3: you want to win, because then you won't be at 591 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: Northern Illinois University. You'll make more money at another school. 592 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 3: I think there are coaches that care about their kids. 593 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 3: I do, but I've had it with the virtue signaling 594 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: coaches that really just loved these boys. I remember Tom Herman. 595 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 3: He would kiss the boys at UH before they went 596 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: on the field, and then he dumped those same boys 597 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: and went to UT who he played off with LSU 598 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 3: to get the pay. He can't give a damn about 599 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 3: those kids. He recruited those kids that came to UH. 600 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 3: That was before they could transfer. He had kids. Tommy Tubberville, 601 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: the senator when he was at Tech, he had kids 602 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 3: that he took to a recruiting dinner. This is legendary 603 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 3: and true. And he's telling them how much he wants 604 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: them to come to the university, and you know, they're 605 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 3: the best kids ever. He gets the call, the deal 606 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: is done. He's going to Auburn. He gets up and 607 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 3: leaves the dinner, leaves them there. How do you think 608 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 3: those kids felt. Some of those were already commits.