WEBVTT - Here's Your Plate... No Eyes 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:17.520 I am all in, want kiss you. I am all 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.360 in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey, everybody, 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.880 welcome Scott Patterson, Welcome to the podcast. We've got a 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.880 I've got a big guest, Isaac MS rah He and 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.320 I can't wait to talk to him because we, uh 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.239 we we were in New York at the same time. Uh. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.320 He's still there, but I I was there in the 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.199 late eighties. I started there in the late eighties, and 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.199 I'm gonna talk to him about that. I don't know 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.159 if we're gonna get to a lot of it today, 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.919 but we're gonna talk about many things. We're gonna talk 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.640 about the episode. We're gonna talk about his brands. Um. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.160 You know he uh, he's the chief designer for Isaac 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.760 MS rah. He brands, the division of Excel Brands. In 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.840 two thousand nine, he launched his Life's doll collection Isaac 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:07.200 MS Rocky Live on QBC. His I Am and Y 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.080 S collection is currently sold at Lord and Taylor and 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.679 Hudson's Bay Company. He's also a judge on Project Runway 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.319 All Stars. Uh. We could go on with his his 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.759 bio and his list of credits, but let's bring him 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:28.319 in Isaac, are you there. I can't believe this is you. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:33.640 I'm so shocked I'm talking to you, Scott. I'm freaking out. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.600 I understand how much because I love you and you 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.800 don't know that we were born to be like lovers 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.640 or something. You don't know that yet. But you don't 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.400 know that yet. But like when you get through with 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:57.040 that bitch, Laurela, you can give me a call. Oh 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.200 my goodness. Doesn't everyone say that to you? No, that's 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.600 that's the first they may think it. They may think it. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.440 I can't be sure, but you're the first one to 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.960 actually verbalize it. I'm not going to use that old 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.919 line about no filter because I totally have a filter. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.320 I know exactly what I'm doing. I am making overtures 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.800 and making an advance. Well, you had me, You had 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.799 me at when I saw what is that a Steinway? 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.320 Is that a baby? Grand behind? That is? It's a 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.760 beautiful Steinway? Gorgeous piano, gorgeous. I know it's a beautiful, 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.480 beautiful instrument. Really do you do you play? Do you play? 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.320 You must? You must play beautifully. You know when I 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.119 was a kid, I played amazingly, like I played every 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.680 day of my life. And then I kind of lost 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.840 it and I still read, and so you know, I 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.600 appear on stage with the band and I sing, and 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.040 so sometimes I have to read so I can read 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.440 and I pick it out on the piano. That absolutely wonderful. Um, well, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.600 I'm so glad. Hello, thank that is really great. Let's 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.320 talk Gilmore. Okay, please please, that's all I ever want 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:08.560 to speak. Let's let's talk Gilmore. And uh, all right, 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:14.120 So there's a ton of fan questions, right, and so 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:20.880 here we go. How did you discover the show and 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:25.080 how did you become a fan? Well, okay, I became 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.000 a fan. I discovered the show very late in the 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.840 career of the show and in my own life, right, 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.240 because when when in the in the early two thousand's 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.120 when it was airing, right, like, what was the two 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.280 thousand and seven, two and ten? What was it? It 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:46.000 started in two thousand, started in two thousand, right, So 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.080 in those days, like it just wasn't the same as 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.840 it is now, Like you didn't we didn't even know 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.760 what DVR was ish and you know, and I used 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.520 to go out. I was not I didn't do destination television. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.960 It wasn't like you could just dream the girl. You know, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.160 the Gilmore Girls, right, um, and so I missed it. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.000 I actually missed it. And then I played bridge with 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.760 these gentlemen um and one of them is a great 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.480 writer called Dale Peck. I don't know if you know 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.880 if his work. He's a really smart guy. And Corey 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.080 Sica and Richard d Roache and we were seeing there 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.280 playing bridge and they were like, oh, well Gilmore Girls. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.760 I was like, wait, what I know that show? And 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.320 of course, like who doesn't love like Lauren Grahat, like 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.360 who doesn't love Scott? That was like who doesn't love 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.360 these people? But I never watched it, right, so and 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.800 and Dale Peck, who was like the smartest, like most 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.840 kind of what like bitchy, like he will just say 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.600 everything stinks right like this person hates everything, you know? 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:42.880 And Dale was like, oh god, I love the girl 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.240 was like what. So of course, when pandemic hit, I 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.000 was like what do I do with my life now? 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:53.200 I started streaming Gilmore Girls and I just couldn't stop. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.359 It was weeks and then I just started. When it 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.599 was over, I watched the new season, the new Netflix season, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.680 and then I was like in morning and I just 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.240 I just started all over again, and I finished again, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.240 and I started. So now it's like it's always like 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.640 next up in my Netflix kind of you know, uh, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.200 what is that thing called your inventory is? I think 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.760 it's always like the next episode ready to play. And 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.080 for every sort of new thing that I watched, I 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.839 have to go back and keep watching Gilmore Girls. And 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.200 this is maybe the fourth the fourth time I've been 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.640 through it in like the last two years. How about 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:32.560 that crazy that? I know? I know, I know, and 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.440 I gotta tell you every time I go through and 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.320 I'm like, no, she should have stayed with Chris. What 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.440 the fun? How did she make that mistake? You know? 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.279 Or like Rory, like what were you thinking? How did 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.000 you not go for you know, for for Logan, He's 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.640 got money, He's what are you crazy? Seriously? And then 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.200 of course, like I'm usually I usually land on team Luke. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.920 I don't want to. I don't upset you too much, 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.360 but I do think that I mean, Chris is like cute, 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.800 that's all I'll say. He's cute. What's that actor's name? 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.400 I forgot? David? He could call me in the middle 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:10.559 of the night and I would meet him somewhere. Oh 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.680 my god. So that's how I discovered it, and that's 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.880 how now I'm so a fanatic, Like I'm a total fanatic. Okay, 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.839 So so here's another fan question, because and this rolls 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:21.760 right into what you were saying, who's your favorite character? 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:28.920 Emily Gilmore? She's my favorite character. I'm sorry, that was easy, right, right, Yeah, yes, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.960 she's my favorite character because it resonates with my mother 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.040 and resonates with like the background that I come from, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.120 where you know, women were. I mean, it's terrible to 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.119 think and how and how far women have come from that. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.760 But I understand her, and I understand the pressures of 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.880 her history and who she is in the world. She's 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.160 very much she reminds me a lot of my mom. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:58.120 So and also she's fabulous and hilarious. Go on, she's great. No, no, um, yeah, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.640 we've been going. So I just watched the episode because 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.599 I've never seen the episode before. That's the whole point 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.479 of the podcast. I never saw the episodes, So I 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:10.080 come on, I mean, look, listen, I'm fair. Listen. Do 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.760 you when you're designing and launching a line, you're putting 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.840 all those years of work in or however you know, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.920 you're obsessively you know, you're drawing, You're meeting with all 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.240 kinds of people, You're meeting with models. You mean, you're 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.320 doing your shows. Whatever you're doing, I mean, are you 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:35.040 going home and relaxing by uh looking at your own stuff? Well? 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.200 I mean, like, you know, I have this thing about 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:42.680 I used to do. I used to watch um, the 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.960 tape of the fact, like right after the fashion show. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.240 When I did fashion shows, that would give me the 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.760 tape to go home, and I would just like gnash 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.920 my teeth going mistake mistakes. Oh, I saw it like 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.640 little mistakes. And now when I perform on stage. You know, 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.640 I told you I do this music and sometimes it's 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.120 filmed and I've done you know whatever, and I look 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.680 at myself and I think, who would ever want to 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.200 look at that person? Who would ever want to hear 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.400 this person? You know? It's like, so you don't like, 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.200 I don't like watching myself? No, I don't either. That 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.320 That's why I didn't do it. But sometimes you have to, 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.160 you know, like sometimes you have to in order to like. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.160 And so you never did, like you didn't you never 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.040 looked at it, not when I was shooting it. No, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.120 because I'd be you know I'd be able the studio 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:24.720 all day in half the night, and then I wouldn't 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.520 want to come home and watch the show when it 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.960 was on when I was airing, because I'd miss it. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.440 I'd usually be at work or I'd be off doing 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.200 something non Gilmore related. Right, I didn't want to. I 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.760 didn't want to. I make the sausage, I don't want 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.400 to eat it. You know what I'm saying. You don't 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.560 want to? Yeah, exactly, you don't want to prolong, I 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.320 have completely enough it. You know. The thing is, of course, 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:49.080 when you asked me, like who my favorite characters are? 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.000 I mean or my favorite character? I immediately went to Emily, 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.640 And then of course when I think about it, I mean, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.400 like who doesn't love Melissa McCarthy And who doesn't love Suki? 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.840 Who doesn't want that in their life for a a little Suki? 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.440 Who doesn't love Kirk Kirk? I mean, Kirk is a 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.040 genius and I do love By the way, the sort 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.000 of the weird inconsistency of who Kirk is that who 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.040 how he grows at the show into like and I 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:15.280 want you to tell me about that because he was 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.080 not going to be on the show, Like, I don't 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.920 think they thought of the character Kirk from like season one. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.720 It only I remember. It's sort of like it morphs 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.600 into this amazing character by the end. It doesn't start 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.880 that way, right, he starts. Well, I think I think 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.559 they had a, you know, a good instinct about him 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.480 that he was special, unique and wonderful, and they wanted 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.080 to find something for him. So he had a different name. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.120 His name wasn't even Kirk in the beginning. Well, I know, 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.920 that's what I'm trying to say. I knew it. I 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.520 knew that. Yeah, he was a delivery guy in like 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.719 the first or second episode or something, and then they 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.200 just you know, Amy and Dan just trying to figure 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.480 out a way to get him in the show. And 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.480 they figured it out. Yeah, it's like they didn't know 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.160 because you know, he's very very special for is a 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:05.440 goal comedian. He's special. Kidding me, Absolutely, he's very very 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.000 He's really really special. I agree with you. And also 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:12.200 his physique is so strange and so unique. Absolutely, and yeah, 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:17.800 he was he was born to be a comedic actor. Yes, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.720 and and and of course so was. Because she doesn't know, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.400 there is not you cannot like if you go back 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.640 over all the episodes like you go No, She's faultless. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.760 She's faultless. There's never a joke that doesn't land because 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.840 she didn't try to. Like, it's always because it's a 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.200 bad joke or something because someone else doesn't pick it up. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:41.120 She is there, she's a crafts person. She's amazing now 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.160 she is. Uh. It amazed me watching these episodes after 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.319 the first time. It amazed me that it took Hollywood 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.720 this long to discover you know what I mean? I know, yes, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.640 I mean yeah, so so it wasn't It wasn't a 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.520 big network show. It wasn't on one of the big networks. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.960 But my god, I mean, she's doing this glorious, funny, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.440 endearing work every single episode, and she really had to 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.760 fight and kick and scrape for the series that she 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.360 got with um God, she did her own series that 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.880 Mike and she really had to fight for that. It 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.640 wasn't awfer to her darling. Wait a minute, what do 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:20.920 you mean It wasn't on a major network Gilmore Girls, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.079 it was on. It was on c W and then 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:24.840 it was on it was on the w B, which 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:28.839 Beaton's not major. No no, no, no, no, no, no 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:34.360 no no no. I'm talking about NBCCBS or or ABC. Okay, alright, alright, fine, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.240 that have you know that have the band with and 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.600 the budgets to promote a show like that. I mean 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:44.360 that we were tiny network comparatively, we don't much fault 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.920 smaller footprint, a much smaller but promotional and marketing budget. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.679 But they did War Brothers did a great job. I mean, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:12:01.160 they really did a great job. So Laurens is my show. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.120 I have to ask this question. This is a fan question. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.440 This is not from us or my staff, is not 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.040 from me. What did you think of the character of Luke? Well, 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.080 of course, like I love Luke. I mean I understand Luke. 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.760 I feel like my husband is very Luke, and that 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.720 he's kind of quiet and behind the scenes and curmudging 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.200 lee and just this kind of person. I feel like 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.560 I married to Luke. I am married to a Luke. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.720 How is that? How's that for an answer? I think 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.520 that's I think that's a very uh. I think it's 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.160 a very good answer. I think it's very honest. I 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.040 think it's very good. And I have to say, in 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.520 terms of like the planning of the characters and the 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.559 psychology of the characters, I really do think that they 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:50.400 were so smart to like to pair Lauren uh Laura 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.880 Lie with a Luke because it would make sense that 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.440 they would be together. It would make sense that she's 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:02.000 so gregarious and so loquacious and so you know, type 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.080 A or anything like that, while he is not, you know, 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.280 he is so kind of dark. There's a darkness to 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.800 look Darling, a darkness which of course is so sexy, 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.040 by the way, And Jess was sexy, and I thought 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.640 like she was crazy to pass up Jess Rory was 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.400 she crazy? And then he's a writer, and what was that? 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.360 How do you how do you pass up someone who 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.640 looks like that, who writes like that? You know, I 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.000 don't know. I don't know how she messed it up. 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.920 I probably would have. I think in the end, if 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.440 I were Rory, I would have chosen Jess. Even with 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.240 Logan and his money and everything. I would have gone 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.679 it Jess, and she blew it, Rory blew it. I'm 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.360 with you on that. I'm with you on that. Okay, alright, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:48.040 I'm a hunter percent undercent team Jess. Yeah. Is there 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.800 a storyline or a character that you did not like? 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.800 Because you're in a safe place, you can verbalize it here. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.240 Can I really be completely honest with you? Just do it? 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.400 Just I watched this and I just wonder how Korean 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.719 American world feel, you know, like I just wonder how 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.280 they feel about the representation and that show. I mean, 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:09.640 of course, it's like lovely a lot of the times, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.440 but a lot of the times is very reductionary. And 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.360 the character Mrs Kim is a little bit sort of 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:18.199 like you know, it feels a little cringe e when 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.240 you watch it. Now, don't don't judge me. I'm just 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.240 telling you that. And you don't have to publish any 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.400 of so you think it's a little stereotypical, it's a 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.640 little stereotypical. Do I do? I do? I do? I 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.840 feel like it's a little bit That's the only thing. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.760 That's my only thing about That's the one thing about 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.760 the show. I mean. And I have to say, I 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:41.800 love um. What's her friend's name, Mrs Kim's daughter, Lane Lane. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.200 I love Lane. It's just when it gets into Mrs 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.720 Kim in the whole way that that's Joan And I 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.440 love her boyfriend. What's the one that she ends up with? 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.800 The musician that's so crazy? I love him? Who ended 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.600 up going to be on that Sebas box. But did 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.800 she end up with Sebastian bok Um? No, I can't be. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.160 I don't know the name of the actor. I wish 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.800 I knew the name of the character. He's sort of 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.000 blonde and he's kind of like was his name Zack 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.160 in the show, Zack Zack. She ends up with Zach 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.960 and I love Zach. I love. I was so glad 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.480 when that happened for both of them. Um, yeah, I 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.920 didn't see that coming. You're like my mother. She was. 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.040 She was completely offended by Woody Allen. Wait, what does 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.200 that mean when when we were growing up and Woody 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.080 Allen was all the rage, right, she was offended. She goes, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:37.440 she goes, I do not like Uh he's stereotyping neurotic 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.760 Jewish men, and and she was. She was completely She 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.520 wanted to shake him. She goes, if I ever met 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.400 that guy, I shake him. And that's hilarious, that's so funny. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:50.560 She didn't like him, honestly, I don't. I don't. I don't. Honestly, 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.080 I don't. I don't. I don't fault the show or something, 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.400 because again, it was like a different time, and how 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.200 do you judge things historically, but I look at it 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.480 and it's a little bit too dimensional, old, and yet 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.720 it is very funny, so I forgive everything that is funny. Also, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.840 you know, I'm in tears half the time. It makes 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.560 me cry the show a lot because I'm a big pussy, probably, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.840 but also because you know, I cry a lot. Also 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.720 because it's really really well written and beautifully planned and 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.160 kind of everything works so well together. Okay, there's one 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.040 other thing that always made me a little uncomfortable about 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.120 the show. And this is so also like a lot 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.400 of tea that I'm bored here all right, Like, so 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.200 don't hate me, don't hate me. And again I don't 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.320 know the name of the character or the name of 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.280 the actor, but the guy who ends up joining the 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.920 band with Um, with Lane and Zach, who's like older 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:46.040 with the big, giant blonde Sebastian, he's an actual rock star. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.480 Well I know, but it always made me like really 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.480 uncomfortable that he was in that show and that he 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.320 was like that character and that he talked like that 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.120 he played that music, and it was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:16:59.840 get it. Though I can't even watch this, I have 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:02.680 to like my eyes, like just called me when the 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.959 scene is over, you know, you know, to his credit, 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.960 he was aware that he kind of didn't belong there, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:16.240 because seriously, when I walked into the makeup trailer one morning, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:17.879 and he'd been on the show a couple of times 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:19.600 and we were kind of friends, and you know, because 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.960 he's kind of a funny, wild, crazy guy. Um and 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.960 uh we went out one night to the Sunset Strip, 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.200 to the Roxy and I mean it was it was 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.840 a crazy night. That's a whole episode. But anyway, so 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.240 he said, he said in the makeup trail at six 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.199 an he goes, he goes, he goes Scott, Dude, he 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.520 talked like a dude. Dude, Am I on this show? 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.400 I How did I end up on this show? It's 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:48.280 like it's like me Gilmore girls, whoa dude? It's it's 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:53.280 it's so wrong, bro that it's right, whoa stuck? I know, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.879 well that's exactly the way he talks, and that makes 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.800 me uncomfortable. I'm not getting stocked. And then like you know, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.600 the whole just the whole idea that they're touring in 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:11.960 that little bus with that person. It really yeah, all right, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.399 so let's get into you're a fashion guy. Um, okay, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.720 you made your bones in fashion, So let's talk a 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.359 little fashion. What do you think of the fashion on 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.800 Gilmour Girls? Is there any fashion fashion you thinking about it? 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:28.840 Like every five minutes, I'm taking a picture of the 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.960 screen and sending it to my design staff, Like, look 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.920 at this sweater on Laura Lie, look at this cute 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.760 coat on Rory, look at Emily's Chanel mock thing. Blah blah. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.920 I'm not kidding. I do it a lot because it 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.880 was really good. Yes, it was really, really really good. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.840 And I do also like, I do love the way 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.200 they kind of characterized, you know, the way people dressed, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.520 like because people do dress that way. I mean not 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.880 not not least of all the character of Luke, who 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.159 wears a backwards you know, sort of baseball cap and 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.520 a plaid shirt of day of his life. And it 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.680 looks like you do that too in real life, because 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.560 that's what you're wearing right now, you know. So just saying, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.800 you know, but they did. Oh it is for the show, Okay, 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:13.920 all right, well just make me wear it. I would. 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.480 I have a beautiful, flowing locks of gorgeous hair that 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:23.520 I cover every episode. So wait a minute, but I 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.120 do love that, you know that Suki has a way 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:31.360 that she dresses, and and that um, you know, Laurela 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.520 has a way that she dresses differently than Suki, you know, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.560 and and Rory has a special way that she dresses, 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.880 and and and they all do that. They I think 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.960 that whoever did the whoever did the costumes really kind 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.760 of understood these four women and create and helped create 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.840 the characters of these four women. You know. That's the 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:55.080 illustrious Brenda maybon U costumes. She she was ahead of 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.560 the costume department. She was She's amazing. We should have 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.880 her on. We're going to get her on the show 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:08.000 snapping she was great. Yeah, she was amazing. Um totally 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.560 what so so, what do you think of the Luke fashion? 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:16.160 Analyzed the Luke Fashion? Um, you know, I think it's 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.119 so perfect because, um, that's how I think. That's how 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.959 a lot of men that I know dress, you know, 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.720 like they don't think about it. It's a formula. It's 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:30.879 one look, you know, and especially someone like I know 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.800 so many people like Luke. I guess I just do. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.080 I just know a lot of people like Luke, and 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.560 they just don't think about You know, my husband is 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.640 one person who like does not think about clothes that much, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.159 you know. And um, and he recently went through this 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.600 whole thing where he shaved his head. The whole COVID 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.440 thing like made him go and saying he shaved his head. 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.080 And now I actually call him Donna, as in Donna 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.640 Karen because he's always wearing some like color hoodie with 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.160 like sweatpants and a little sneaker. It's a whole look 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.200 that he's doing. But for years and years and years 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.399 when I met him, for twenty years, he was always 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.600 wearing a black shirt and black jeans and black sneakers, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.840 like that's all he ever wore. And I know, to 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.280 get him into stuff, you know, the way Laura I 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.600 that that hilarious episode where she goes shopping and she 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.560 brings all that stuff and you have to put it on. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.680 And that's such a smart, funny idea because I think 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.639 that is the way women do dress their husbands. I 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:26.080 think that works that way. You know, Isaac, this is 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:33.879 you have been uh, just so much fun. I cannot 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:37.520 tell you how happy I am to meet you and 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:42.840 to talk to you. And you're coming back. We're not 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.639 taking a No, you're coming back. You're coming back for 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.040 an hour, for two hours. What we're going to get 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.119 into so much stuff. I can't wait. I can't wait 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.679 because I I love you. I love your brain, I 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.040 love your person. I love you. I love you. You 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.159 don't understand I love you. I love you too. I 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:07.080 think you're fantastic. I think start of something. It's never 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.600 too late, Scott. It's never too late, never too late, 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.720