1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: I am all in, want kiss you. I am all 2 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: in with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey, everybody, 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: welcome Scott Patterson, Welcome to the podcast. We've got a 4 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: I've got a big guest, Isaac MS rah He and 5 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to him because we, uh 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: we we were in New York at the same time. Uh. 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: He's still there, but I I was there in the 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: late eighties. I started there in the late eighties, and 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to him about that. I don't know 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: if we're gonna get to a lot of it today, 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: but we're gonna talk about many things. We're gonna talk 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: about the episode. We're gonna talk about his brands. Um. 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: You know he uh, he's the chief designer for Isaac 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: MS rah. He brands, the division of Excel Brands. In 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: two thousand nine, he launched his Life's doll collection Isaac 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: MS Rocky Live on QBC. His I Am and Y 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: S collection is currently sold at Lord and Taylor and 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: Hudson's Bay Company. He's also a judge on Project Runway 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: All Stars. Uh. We could go on with his his 20 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: bio and his list of credits, but let's bring him 21 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: in Isaac, are you there. I can't believe this is you. 22 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm so shocked I'm talking to you, Scott. I'm freaking out. 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: I understand how much because I love you and you 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: don't know that we were born to be like lovers 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: or something. You don't know that yet. But you don't 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: know that yet. But like when you get through with 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: that bitch, Laurela, you can give me a call. Oh 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: my goodness. Doesn't everyone say that to you? No, that's 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: that's the first they may think it. They may think it. 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: I can't be sure, but you're the first one to 31 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: actually verbalize it. I'm not going to use that old 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: line about no filter because I totally have a filter. 33 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: I know exactly what I'm doing. I am making overtures 34 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: and making an advance. Well, you had me, You had 35 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: me at when I saw what is that a Steinway? 36 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: Is that a baby? Grand behind? That is? It's a 37 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: beautiful Steinway? Gorgeous piano, gorgeous. I know it's a beautiful, 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: beautiful instrument. Really do you do you play? Do you play? 39 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: You must? You must play beautifully. You know when I 40 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: was a kid, I played amazingly, like I played every 41 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: day of my life. And then I kind of lost 42 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: it and I still read, and so you know, I 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: appear on stage with the band and I sing, and 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: so sometimes I have to read so I can read 45 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: and I pick it out on the piano. That absolutely wonderful. Um, well, 46 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm so glad. Hello, thank that is really great. Let's 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: talk Gilmore. Okay, please please, that's all I ever want 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: to speak. Let's let's talk Gilmore. And uh, all right, 49 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: So there's a ton of fan questions, right, and so 50 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: here we go. How did you discover the show and 51 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: how did you become a fan? Well, okay, I became 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: a fan. I discovered the show very late in the 53 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: career of the show and in my own life, right, 54 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: because when when in the in the early two thousand's 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: when it was airing, right, like, what was the two 56 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, two and ten? What was it? It 57 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: started in two thousand, started in two thousand, right, So 58 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: in those days, like it just wasn't the same as 59 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: it is now, Like you didn't we didn't even know 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: what DVR was ish and you know, and I used 61 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: to go out. I was not I didn't do destination television. 62 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't like you could just dream the girl. You know, 63 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: the Gilmore Girls, right, um, and so I missed it. 64 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: I actually missed it. And then I played bridge with 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: these gentlemen um and one of them is a great 66 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: writer called Dale Peck. I don't know if you know 67 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: if his work. He's a really smart guy. And Corey 68 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Sica and Richard d Roache and we were seeing there 69 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: playing bridge and they were like, oh, well Gilmore Girls. 70 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what I know that show? And 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: of course, like who doesn't love like Lauren Grahat, like 72 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: who doesn't love Scott? That was like who doesn't love 73 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: these people? But I never watched it, right, so and 74 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: and Dale Peck, who was like the smartest, like most 75 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: kind of what like bitchy, like he will just say 76 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: everything stinks right like this person hates everything, you know? 77 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: And Dale was like, oh god, I love the girl 78 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: was like what. So of course, when pandemic hit, I 79 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: was like what do I do with my life now? 80 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: I started streaming Gilmore Girls and I just couldn't stop. 81 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: It was weeks and then I just started. When it 82 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: was over, I watched the new season, the new Netflix season, 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: and then I was like in morning and I just 84 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: I just started all over again, and I finished again, 85 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: and I started. So now it's like it's always like 86 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: next up in my Netflix kind of you know, uh, 87 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: what is that thing called your inventory is? I think 88 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: it's always like the next episode ready to play. And 89 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: for every sort of new thing that I watched, I 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: have to go back and keep watching Gilmore Girls. And 91 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: this is maybe the fourth the fourth time I've been 92 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: through it in like the last two years. How about 93 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: that crazy that? I know? I know, I know, and 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you every time I go through and 95 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, she should have stayed with Chris. What 96 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: the fun? How did she make that mistake? You know? 97 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: Or like Rory, like what were you thinking? How did 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: you not go for you know, for for Logan, He's 99 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: got money, He's what are you crazy? Seriously? And then 100 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: of course, like I'm usually I usually land on team Luke. 101 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't upset you too much, 102 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: but I do think that I mean, Chris is like cute, 103 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: that's all I'll say. He's cute. What's that actor's name? 104 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: I forgot? David? He could call me in the middle 105 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: of the night and I would meet him somewhere. Oh 106 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: my god. So that's how I discovered it, and that's 107 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: how now I'm so a fanatic, Like I'm a total fanatic. Okay, 108 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: So so here's another fan question, because and this rolls 109 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: right into what you were saying, who's your favorite character? 110 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: Emily Gilmore? She's my favorite character. I'm sorry, that was easy, right, right, Yeah, yes, 111 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: she's my favorite character because it resonates with my mother 112 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: and resonates with like the background that I come from, 113 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: where you know, women were. I mean, it's terrible to 114 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 1: think and how and how far women have come from that. 115 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: But I understand her, and I understand the pressures of 116 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: her history and who she is in the world. She's 117 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: very much she reminds me a lot of my mom. 118 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: So and also she's fabulous and hilarious. Go on, she's great. No, no, um, yeah, 119 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: we've been going. So I just watched the episode because 120 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: I've never seen the episode before. That's the whole point 121 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: of the podcast. I never saw the episodes, So I 122 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: come on, I mean, look, listen, I'm fair. Listen. Do 123 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: you when you're designing and launching a line, you're putting 124 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: all those years of work in or however you know, 125 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: you're obsessively you know, you're drawing, You're meeting with all 126 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: kinds of people, You're meeting with models. You mean, you're 127 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: doing your shows. Whatever you're doing, I mean, are you 128 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: going home and relaxing by uh looking at your own stuff? Well? 129 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, I have this thing about 130 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: I used to do. I used to watch um, the 131 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: tape of the fact, like right after the fashion show. 132 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: When I did fashion shows, that would give me the 133 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: tape to go home, and I would just like gnash 134 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: my teeth going mistake mistakes. Oh, I saw it like 135 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: little mistakes. And now when I perform on stage. You know, 136 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: I told you I do this music and sometimes it's 137 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: filmed and I've done you know whatever, and I look 138 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: at myself and I think, who would ever want to 139 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: look at that person? Who would ever want to hear 140 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: this person? You know? It's like, so you don't like, 141 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't like watching myself? No, I don't either. That 142 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: That's why I didn't do it. But sometimes you have to, 143 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes you have to in order to like. 144 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: And so you never did, like you didn't you never 145 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: looked at it, not when I was shooting it. No, 146 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: because I'd be you know I'd be able the studio 147 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: all day in half the night, and then I wouldn't 148 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: want to come home and watch the show when it 149 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: was on when I was airing, because I'd miss it. 150 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: I'd usually be at work or I'd be off doing 151 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: something non Gilmore related. Right, I didn't want to. I 152 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: didn't want to. I make the sausage, I don't want 153 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: to eat it. You know what I'm saying. You don't 154 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: want to? Yeah, exactly, you don't want to prolong, I 155 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: have completely enough it. You know. The thing is, of course, 156 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: when you asked me, like who my favorite characters are? 157 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean or my favorite character? I immediately went to Emily, 158 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: And then of course when I think about it, I mean, 159 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: like who doesn't love Melissa McCarthy And who doesn't love Suki? 160 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: Who doesn't want that in their life for a a little Suki? 161 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: Who doesn't love Kirk Kirk? I mean, Kirk is a 162 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: genius and I do love By the way, the sort 163 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: of the weird inconsistency of who Kirk is that who 164 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: how he grows at the show into like and I 165 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: want you to tell me about that because he was 166 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: not going to be on the show, Like, I don't 167 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: think they thought of the character Kirk from like season one. 168 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: It only I remember. It's sort of like it morphs 169 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: into this amazing character by the end. It doesn't start 170 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: that way, right, he starts. Well, I think I think 171 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: they had a, you know, a good instinct about him 172 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: that he was special, unique and wonderful, and they wanted 173 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: to find something for him. So he had a different name. 174 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: His name wasn't even Kirk in the beginning. Well, I know, 175 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to say. I knew it. I 176 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: knew that. Yeah, he was a delivery guy in like 177 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: the first or second episode or something, and then they 178 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: just you know, Amy and Dan just trying to figure 179 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: out a way to get him in the show. And 180 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: they figured it out. Yeah, it's like they didn't know 181 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: because you know, he's very very special for is a 182 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: goal comedian. He's special. Kidding me, Absolutely, he's very very 183 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: He's really really special. I agree with you. And also 184 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: his physique is so strange and so unique. Absolutely, and yeah, 185 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: he was he was born to be a comedic actor. Yes, 186 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: and and and of course so was. Because she doesn't know, 187 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: there is not you cannot like if you go back 188 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: over all the episodes like you go No, She's faultless. 189 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: She's faultless. There's never a joke that doesn't land because 190 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: she didn't try to. Like, it's always because it's a 191 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: bad joke or something because someone else doesn't pick it up. 192 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: She is there, she's a crafts person. She's amazing now 193 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: she is. Uh. It amazed me watching these episodes after 194 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: the first time. It amazed me that it took Hollywood 195 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: this long to discover you know what I mean? I know, yes, 196 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, so so it wasn't It wasn't a 197 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: big network show. It wasn't on one of the big networks. 198 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: But my god, I mean, she's doing this glorious, funny, 199 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: endearing work every single episode, and she really had to 200 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: fight and kick and scrape for the series that she 201 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: got with um God, she did her own series that 202 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: Mike and she really had to fight for that. It 203 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: wasn't awfer to her darling. Wait a minute, what do 204 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: you mean It wasn't on a major network Gilmore Girls, 205 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: it was on. It was on c W and then 206 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: it was on it was on the w B, which 207 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: Beaton's not major. No no, no, no, no, no, no 208 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: no no no. I'm talking about NBCCBS or or ABC. Okay, alright, alright, fine, 209 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: that have you know that have the band with and 210 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: the budgets to promote a show like that. I mean 211 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: that we were tiny network comparatively, we don't much fault 212 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: smaller footprint, a much smaller but promotional and marketing budget. 213 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: But they did War Brothers did a great job. I mean, 214 00:11:51,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: they really did a great job. So Laurens is my show. 215 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: I have to ask this question. This is a fan question. 216 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: This is not from us or my staff, is not 217 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: from me. What did you think of the character of Luke? Well, 218 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: of course, like I love Luke. I mean I understand Luke. 219 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: I feel like my husband is very Luke, and that 220 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: he's kind of quiet and behind the scenes and curmudging 221 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: lee and just this kind of person. I feel like 222 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: I married to Luke. I am married to a Luke. 223 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: How is that? How's that for an answer? I think 224 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: that's I think that's a very uh. I think it's 225 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: a very good answer. I think it's very honest. I 226 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: think it's very good. And I have to say, in 227 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: terms of like the planning of the characters and the 228 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: psychology of the characters, I really do think that they 229 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: were so smart to like to pair Lauren uh Laura 230 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: Lie with a Luke because it would make sense that 231 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: they would be together. It would make sense that she's 232 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: so gregarious and so loquacious and so you know, type 233 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: A or anything like that, while he is not, you know, 234 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: he is so kind of dark. There's a darkness to 235 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: look Darling, a darkness which of course is so sexy, 236 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: by the way, And Jess was sexy, and I thought 237 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: like she was crazy to pass up Jess Rory was 238 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: she crazy? And then he's a writer, and what was that? 239 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: How do you how do you pass up someone who 240 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: looks like that, who writes like that? You know, I 241 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how she messed it up. 242 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: I probably would have. I think in the end, if 243 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: I were Rory, I would have chosen Jess. Even with 244 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: Logan and his money and everything. I would have gone 245 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: it Jess, and she blew it, Rory blew it. I'm 246 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: with you on that. I'm with you on that. Okay, alright, 247 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm a hunter percent undercent team Jess. Yeah. Is there 248 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: a storyline or a character that you did not like? 249 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: Because you're in a safe place, you can verbalize it here. 250 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: Can I really be completely honest with you? Just do it? 251 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: Just I watched this and I just wonder how Korean 252 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: American world feel, you know, like I just wonder how 253 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: they feel about the representation and that show. I mean, 254 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: of course, it's like lovely a lot of the times, 255 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: but a lot of the times is very reductionary. And 256 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: the character Mrs Kim is a little bit sort of 257 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: like you know, it feels a little cringe e when 258 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: you watch it. Now, don't don't judge me. I'm just 259 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: telling you that. And you don't have to publish any 260 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: of so you think it's a little stereotypical, it's a 261 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: little stereotypical. Do I do? I do? I do? I 262 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: feel like it's a little bit That's the only thing. 263 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: That's my only thing about That's the one thing about 264 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: the show. I mean. And I have to say, I 265 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: love um. What's her friend's name, Mrs Kim's daughter, Lane Lane. 266 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: I love Lane. It's just when it gets into Mrs 267 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: Kim in the whole way that that's Joan And I 268 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: love her boyfriend. What's the one that she ends up with? 269 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: The musician that's so crazy? I love him? Who ended 270 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: up going to be on that Sebas box. But did 271 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: she end up with Sebastian bok Um? No, I can't be. 272 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't know the name of the actor. I wish 273 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: I knew the name of the character. He's sort of 274 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: blonde and he's kind of like was his name Zack 275 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: in the show, Zack Zack. She ends up with Zach 276 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: and I love Zach. I love. I was so glad 277 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: when that happened for both of them. Um, yeah, I 278 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: didn't see that coming. You're like my mother. She was. 279 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: She was completely offended by Woody Allen. Wait, what does 280 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: that mean when when we were growing up and Woody 281 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: Allen was all the rage, right, she was offended. She goes, 282 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: she goes, I do not like Uh he's stereotyping neurotic 283 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: Jewish men, and and she was. She was completely She 284 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: wanted to shake him. She goes, if I ever met 285 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: that guy, I shake him. And that's hilarious, that's so funny. 286 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: She didn't like him, honestly, I don't. I don't. I don't. Honestly, 287 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't fault the show or something, 288 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: because again, it was like a different time, and how 289 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: do you judge things historically, but I look at it 290 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: and it's a little bit too dimensional, old, and yet 291 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: it is very funny, so I forgive everything that is funny. Also, 292 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm in tears half the time. It makes 293 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: me cry the show a lot because I'm a big pussy, probably, 294 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: but also because you know, I cry a lot. Also 295 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: because it's really really well written and beautifully planned and 296 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: kind of everything works so well together. Okay, there's one 297 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: other thing that always made me a little uncomfortable about 298 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: the show. And this is so also like a lot 299 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: of tea that I'm bored here all right, Like, so 300 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: don't hate me, don't hate me. And again I don't 301 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: know the name of the character or the name of 302 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: the actor, but the guy who ends up joining the 303 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: band with Um, with Lane and Zach, who's like older 304 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: with the big, giant blonde Sebastian, he's an actual rock star. 305 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: Well I know, but it always made me like really 306 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: uncomfortable that he was in that show and that he 307 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: was like that character and that he talked like that 308 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: he played that music, and it was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 309 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: get it. Though I can't even watch this, I have 310 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: to like my eyes, like just called me when the 311 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 1: scene is over, you know, you know, to his credit, 312 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: he was aware that he kind of didn't belong there, 313 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: because seriously, when I walked into the makeup trailer one morning, 314 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: and he'd been on the show a couple of times 315 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: and we were kind of friends, and you know, because 316 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: he's kind of a funny, wild, crazy guy. Um and 317 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: uh we went out one night to the Sunset Strip, 318 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: to the Roxy and I mean it was it was 319 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: a crazy night. That's a whole episode. But anyway, so 320 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: he said, he said in the makeup trail at six 321 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: an he goes, he goes, he goes Scott, Dude, he 322 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: talked like a dude. Dude, Am I on this show? 323 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: I How did I end up on this show? It's 324 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: like it's like me Gilmore girls, whoa dude? It's it's 325 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: it's so wrong, bro that it's right, whoa stuck? I know, 326 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: well that's exactly the way he talks, and that makes 327 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: me uncomfortable. I'm not getting stocked. And then like you know, 328 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: the whole just the whole idea that they're touring in 329 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: that little bus with that person. It really yeah, all right, 330 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: so let's get into you're a fashion guy. Um, okay, 331 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: you made your bones in fashion, So let's talk a 332 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: little fashion. What do you think of the fashion on 333 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: Gilmour Girls? Is there any fashion fashion you thinking about it? 334 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: Like every five minutes, I'm taking a picture of the 335 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: screen and sending it to my design staff, Like, look 336 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: at this sweater on Laura Lie, look at this cute 337 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: coat on Rory, look at Emily's Chanel mock thing. Blah blah. 338 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I do it a lot because it 339 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: was really good. Yes, it was really, really really good. 340 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: And I do also like, I do love the way 341 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: they kind of characterized, you know, the way people dressed, 342 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: like because people do dress that way. I mean not 343 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: not not least of all the character of Luke, who 344 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 1: wears a backwards you know, sort of baseball cap and 345 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: a plaid shirt of day of his life. And it 346 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: looks like you do that too in real life, because 347 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: that's what you're wearing right now, you know. So just saying, 348 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, but they did. Oh it is for the show, Okay, 349 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: all right, well just make me wear it. I would. 350 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: I have a beautiful, flowing locks of gorgeous hair that 351 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: I cover every episode. So wait a minute, but I 352 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: do love that, you know that Suki has a way 353 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: that she dresses, and and that um, you know, Laurela 354 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: has a way that she dresses differently than Suki, you know, 355 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: and and Rory has a special way that she dresses, 356 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: and and and they all do that. They I think 357 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: that whoever did the whoever did the costumes really kind 358 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: of understood these four women and create and helped create 359 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: the characters of these four women. You know. That's the 360 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: illustrious Brenda maybon U costumes. She she was ahead of 361 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: the costume department. She was She's amazing. We should have 362 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: her on. We're going to get her on the show 363 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: snapping she was great. Yeah, she was amazing. Um totally 364 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: what so so, what do you think of the Luke fashion? 365 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: Analyzed the Luke Fashion? Um, you know, I think it's 366 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: so perfect because, um, that's how I think. That's how 367 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: a lot of men that I know dress, you know, 368 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: like they don't think about it. It's a formula. It's 369 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: one look, you know, and especially someone like I know 370 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: so many people like Luke. I guess I just do. 371 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: I just know a lot of people like Luke, and 372 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: they just don't think about You know, my husband is 373 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: one person who like does not think about clothes that much, 374 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: you know. And um, and he recently went through this 375 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: whole thing where he shaved his head. The whole COVID 376 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: thing like made him go and saying he shaved his head. 377 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: And now I actually call him Donna, as in Donna 378 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: Karen because he's always wearing some like color hoodie with 379 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: like sweatpants and a little sneaker. It's a whole look 380 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: that he's doing. But for years and years and years 381 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: when I met him, for twenty years, he was always 382 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: wearing a black shirt and black jeans and black sneakers, 383 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: like that's all he ever wore. And I know, to 384 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: get him into stuff, you know, the way Laura I 385 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: that that hilarious episode where she goes shopping and she 386 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: brings all that stuff and you have to put it on. 387 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: And that's such a smart, funny idea because I think 388 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: that is the way women do dress their husbands. I 389 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: think that works that way. You know, Isaac, this is 390 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: you have been uh, just so much fun. I cannot 391 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: tell you how happy I am to meet you and 392 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: to talk to you. And you're coming back. We're not 393 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: taking a No, you're coming back. You're coming back for 394 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: an hour, for two hours. What we're going to get 395 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: into so much stuff. I can't wait. I can't wait 396 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: because I I love you. I love your brain, I 397 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: love your person. I love you. I love you. You 398 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: don't understand I love you. I love you too. I 399 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: think you're fantastic. I think start of something. It's never 400 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: too late, Scott. It's never too late, never too late, 401 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: ever too late. I will like your grandmother's furniture. That's 402 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Alright, great talking to you. We'll see 403 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: you soon. Okay, thanks so much for your time, Isaac. 404 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Alright, buddy, all right, talk soon. Alright, bye, okay, bye. 405 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't Isaac wonderful. I love that man. 406 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: We we are just we're gonna have him back. Uh. 407 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: And we were supposed to get into Emily in Wonderland. 408 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to do it because you know, 409 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: sometimes when you're talking to these high energy, highly intelligent, 410 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: highly creative people that the conversations sort of take on 411 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: a life of their own, and we didn't get into it. 412 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna drop another episode we're gonna discuss it amongst 413 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: ourselves with our crack team with Danielle and Amy and 414 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: Riley and company. And we're gonna drop another episode, I 415 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: guess in a few days or so. We were gonna, 416 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to discuss Emily and Wonderland, which 417 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: is a fantastic episode, So stay tuned for that. It's coming, hey, everybody, 418 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am 419 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at I 420 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. Oh you, Gilmore fans. If you're 421 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: looking for the best cup of coffee in the world, 422 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: go to my website for my company scott ep dot com, 423 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: s CEO T. T. Y P dot com, scott ep 424 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: dot com Grade one Specialty Coffee