1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Yes 2 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: it finally happened. It is October one as we record this, 3 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: which in my mind means it's already Halloween. Hi and Ben, 4 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Halloween is every day, I think for us, especially on 5 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know, the other show 6 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: that we hang out on. But yeah, I don't know 7 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: about you, but there's so many things about Halloween that 8 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: just do it for me. The holiday itself, obviously, I 9 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: think we are all fans of spooky stuff, but just 10 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: the weather change, you know, going from being in Georgia, 11 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: going from brutally hot and oppressive to this kind of 12 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: like very brief, beautiful grace period of you know, breezy 13 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: fall weather before it just gets obnoxiously cold. So yeah, 14 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: really big fan and big fan of the types of 15 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: episodes that we get to cover, uh for for this 16 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: particular season. Yeah, yeah, agreed. Uh Yeah, I love this 17 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: Ray Bradberry esque autumnal weather. I love the idea that 18 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: something spooky this way comes. Uh. We have decided to 19 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: dive into some spooky episodes this month. Maybe not a 20 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: spooky episodes, but we're gonna do our best. We're gonna 21 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: have some fun with some monsters with some creepy stuff, 22 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: and if there's anything that comes up that might not 23 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: be appropriate for the youngest people in the audience, will 24 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: give you a heads up at the top of the show. 25 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: With that being said, I think this is an all 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: ages one. I do want to say to your comment 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: about it always being Halloween, especially on stuff they don't 28 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: want you to know. I recently wrote a very pretentious 29 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: essay called always Halloween in America. I would love I 30 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: would love to send to you guys. It's my uninformed 31 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: pop culture, socio political critique. But no, where would we be? Uh? 32 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: You know you and I are two great monsters, but 33 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: where would we be as a show without our favorite 34 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: monster on the Ones and two? Super producer Casey Pegram Casey, 35 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on on Halloween? Pretty much everything 36 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: that's already been said, got it? Uh? I primarily love 37 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: the weather. I'm not like a huge Halloween guy. There 38 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: are years where I don't go out and and really 39 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: get in costume or do anything. But I never wear 40 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: a costume. For the record, that's just not the part 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: of it that I personally. I like seeing other people 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: wear awesome costumes and my daughter is a huge costume person. 43 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: Halloween is going to be a little sad for her 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: this year and for a lot of kids. Right, and 45 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: I think trick or treating is canceled, so you can 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: trick or treat in podcast form with us. There we go, 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: There we go. Uh, email our complaints apart and Jonathan 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Strickland at iHeart radio dot com for your free candy. 49 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: Don't be nice about it demanded. He'll deliver it to 50 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: you directly. And he's creepy white van. Yes, Uh, don't 51 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: get in the van. We cannot stress that enough. Do 52 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: not get in the van. Learn from our mistakes. Halloween 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: is gonna be tough for a lot of kids, a 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: lot of people like us who love the holiday. It's 55 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: also gonna be tough for a lot of parents. But 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: one nice thing we can say about Halloween is, at 57 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: least this year, Uh, it looks like children have a 58 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: very good chance of not being chased by a real 59 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: life monster. It's a perfect segue. Uh, not the case 60 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: for folks in the Oh gosh, we're gonna have a 61 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: hell of a time today running French pronunciations by super 62 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram. But I'm gonna give this one a 63 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: goo uh in the Gold region. Oh, I was close 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: Jef Casey on the case. It's funny because when we 65 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: were gearing up to record, I would have had to 66 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: try to get in front of that case you had 67 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: asked him, it's gonna come up because it is the 68 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: The titular beast in question is the Beast of Javad. Yeah, 69 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: okay cool. Yeah, And and that is a region in 70 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: the south of France, and what today is is called Okay, 71 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: I gotta. You may be tangentially familiar with this story. Uh, 72 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: dear listeners if you remember the absolutely bonkers French like 73 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: Kung Fu period Peace, The Brotherhood of the Wolf, Love, 74 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: I Adore It. It's got everything you want. That was 75 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: also right on the heels of like Crouching Tiger and 76 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: Whyfou Praise? That was so big, And they took this 77 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: and applied it to a peer a drama thriller about 78 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: this monster that was just you know, basically eating its 79 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: way across the French countryside. In this in this part 80 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: of France, it's it's a really cool movie. It's very strange. 81 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: There's a character that just inexplicably has this like segmented 82 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: razor whip that looks like it's made out of like 83 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: vertebrae or something, and it stretches out like a superhero 84 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: weapon of some kind. It's not explained with the physics 85 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: behind this thing at all. It's like the sword that 86 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: the character Ivy and Soul Caliber has. Sometimes it's a sword, 87 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: sometimes it's a segmented chain whip. Yeah. I love Brother 88 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: the Wolf. It spends most of without spoiling it, it's 89 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: a it's a great film. It spends most of his 90 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: time figuring out what it wants to be unsuccessfully. Uh, 91 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: maybe it's best described as like a period horror investigation 92 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: fantasy piece. I don't know. It's got some leepy hollow 93 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: in it with better fight scenes. Little Sherlock Holmes nous 94 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: to to. Vincent Cassel is in it, and he's fabulous 95 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: and everything he's in You've seen him in American films, 96 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure as well. But yeah, I was really fascinated 97 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: by that, and it got me looking more into the story, 98 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: even back in two thousand one. God, we're old when 99 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: that came out. But it's very much based on a 100 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: real story. Yeah, it very much is. I also want 101 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the iconic Monica Bellucci, 102 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: who is in that film us respect respect. So this 103 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: is very loosely inspired by a very real and tragic 104 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: event that remains mysterious in the modern day. As you said, Nol, 105 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: this story takes place in Veldon. It is uh part 106 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: of southern France that during this time had its own 107 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: sketchy reputation. It was thought of as remote, you know, 108 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: a world away from Paris. Uh. People thought it was 109 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of on the edge of the wilderness what we 110 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: would maybe think of as like hay seeds or you know, 111 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: like uh country folk that that are looked down upon 112 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: by the aristocracy or people that live in the big city. Yeah, 113 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: kind of a frontier vibe. You know, if you've ever 114 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: been to the hinter lens of Alaska or any wild place. Uh, 115 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: there was very much this perceived conflict between human civilization 116 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: and the natural world. People believed in monsters, they believed 117 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: in magic, picture Grimm Brothers, fairy tale kind of vibe. 118 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: That's that's what we've got. Uh, Yeah, that's what Smithsonian 119 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: Mad kind of described it as in this great article 120 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: that we got some really cool sources from and and 121 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: and pulled some research from UM. One of the sources 122 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: that's credited in the article is a book called Monsters 123 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: of the gobal Don the Making of a Beast, and 124 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: the writer behind that, uh, that book, J M. Smith, 125 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: a historian UM, described this region as such. It's fascinating, 126 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: it's powerful, it's scary, it's sublime. It was the perfect 127 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: place for a grim like fairy tale starring a possibly 128 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: supernatural creature. But for villagers under attack, reality was more 129 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: brutal than any book. And that's because France sucked in 130 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: this period. It's uh, yeah, it was not a fun 131 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: place to live unless you were literally ensconced in your 132 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: ivory tower, which most people were not. And and and still, 133 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, the French Revolution was unbeknownst to them coming 134 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: along the way. People, of course, can't predict the future, 135 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: so folks in France were less worried about a revolution 136 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: they didn't see on the horizon and more worried about 137 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: how to recover from the Seven Years War, which it 138 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: was only like had only ended a year prior. Uh. 139 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: France had suffered so many defeats from the Prussians, from 140 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: the British as well the bulk of the overseas Empire 141 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: holdings were lost, the economy was in the loop, and 142 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: the beast comes into this socio political context. The beast 143 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: itself is a real creature. Uh. The first victim was 144 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl watching sheep. Her name was Jane Bolt, 145 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: and her death was you know, just the first documented one, 146 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: but there were more to come in throughout seventeen sixty 147 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: four victims of this creature were found throughout the area 148 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: with their throats torn out, their heads gnawed off. This 149 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: is not hyperbolee. This is what happened. National Geographic has 150 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: a great article on this as well. That's right. And 151 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: I would say that this, uh, this shepherd girl that 152 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: that that has mentioned here is probably the inspiration for 153 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: the cold open scene of Brotherhood of the Wolf, and 154 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: that's sort of what kicks off the mystery as they find, 155 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, serial killer style, the remnants of this this 156 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: young woman, and that's what kicks off the investigation, and 157 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: that gets the heart of the of the story and 158 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: what propels the plot forward. There's a reason that this 159 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: is a story we're talking about today. Look, communication ad 160 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, was much less efficient than it is in 161 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: the modern day, and the news from the region was 162 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: tightly controlled and censored by the king, and you forget 163 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: the region. Throughout France, newspapers had to be very careful 164 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: what they reported on because if they made Louis mad uh, 165 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: it could be as dangerous to them as getting their 166 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: throats s toorn out by a wolf in the woods, 167 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: if indeed a wolf it was, which we'll get to. 168 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: Because they couldn't report on a lot of political events 169 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: or current affairs of the state, newspapers needed to turn 170 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: to other things, other stories for content, and so they 171 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: turned to the stories of these mysterious attacks in Chevaudon. 172 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: A guy named France suab Morinus, who was the creator 173 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: and editor of the Corrire de Avonnon, used a type 174 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: of reporting that they called faith divers, which is stories 175 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: of well they're kind of like human interest stories, but 176 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: they're human interest stories of small town crime, kind of like, um, 177 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: if you guys remember here in Atlanta, for a long time, 178 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: we had a magazine called Creative Loofing, and every week 179 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: that it came out, it would publish a column called 180 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: The Blotterer, which is do you guys remember the Blotterer? Yeah, 181 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a salacious tabloid asque kind of 182 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: yellow journalism really is what it is an early example 183 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: of that what we would now consider true crime and 184 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: and what makes for a good true crime story. If 185 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: it bleeds, it leads, the more salacious, the better, which 186 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: this absolutely was. I mean it did not only did 187 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: it bleed, it the throat slashed and disemboweled and you know, 188 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: ripped off limbs. That did all the things to make 189 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: for a perfect Faith de Vere's type of story. And 190 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: people ate it up just like they do today. Right 191 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: this guy France Swab it's it's his reporting especially that 192 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: lifted the story of the beast from some kind of 193 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: isolated backwater tragedy to uh an issue of national concern. 194 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: So let's look at the reporting. So the first recorded 195 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: fatal attack occurred on June thirtieth, seventeen sixty four. We 196 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: mentioned this fourteen year old girl, the shepherd Jean Ballet, 197 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: was tending a flock of sheep and she was discovered, 198 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, attacked. But our guy we mentioned earlier, J M. Smith, 199 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: in his book, he notes that she may not have 200 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: been the first victim, just the first victim reported at 201 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: the time, because two months before this fourteen year old dies, 202 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: there's another young woman who was tending cattle and she 203 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: was attacked by something, but she escaped because her cattle 204 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: defended her. And get this description. She said it was 205 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: like a wolf, yet not a wolf. Like a wolf, yes, 206 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: not a wolf. It's very eerie. It sounds like some 207 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: love crafty and kind of writing, you know, or like 208 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: something from Poe. Maybe I want to point out a 209 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: pug is also like a wolf, but not a wolf. 210 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: A pug. Yeah, pug is like a wolf. It's the same. 211 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: It would have been a lot cuter if these murders 212 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: had been, uh, you know, done by pugs. You never 213 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: see the pug coming. It's so cute. Then you reached 214 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: down and then it just devours you. And that's that's 215 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: terrifying in and of itself. But yeah, I mean this, 216 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: this beast was absolutely ravaging, uh this this town or 217 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: this this part of France, attacking partially eating women and children, 218 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: according to the report, But it didn't necessarily seem to 219 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: have a preference of gender. Uh. There were some men 220 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: that were attacked as well, but they were typically by themselves. 221 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: Um So I thought that maybe there was some speculation 222 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: that this was like some sort of jack the ripper situation. 223 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: I think I might have made that up. There was 224 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: have our speculation that it was maybe more than one 225 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: creature that was I think these were pretty clearly the 226 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: types of injuries that would only be possibly inflicted by, like, 227 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, a wild animal. Yeah, yeah, A person doing 228 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: this at the time would have to do some very 229 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: clever trickery you know what I mean to to replicate 230 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: the mauling that was evident on the corpses. Yeah, you're 231 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: right now. So these attacks continue through summer, they continue 232 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: into autumn, like this beautiful weather we're having now, and 233 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: there were so many reports of the creature that everyone 234 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: in France was familiar with it in some way. You 235 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: didn't It got to the point where you didn't have 236 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: to be literate. You didn't have to read a newspaper. 237 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: You would have heard other people talking about it. And 238 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: we don't know how many of these were reports were 239 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: maybe exaggerated, going to the point about tabloid journalism, but 240 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: we do know that the good people of Gevildonald spring 241 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: into action, right. They were offering bounties. Hunters were teaming 242 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: up and combing through the countryside. Uh you know, they 243 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: were looking for this mysterious creature, but that often meant 244 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: that they were just culling anything they might they thought 245 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: might one day attack a person. Uh, and and their 246 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: site that they're like reported sightings of it getting away 247 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: I think October eight, same year, seventeen sixty four, the 248 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: beast is seen stalking as you described a lone person, 249 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: a male, and hunters followed the animal into the woods. 250 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: They managed to flush it out in the open. They 251 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: shot a bunch of musket fire at it. Of course, yes, 252 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: muskets are notoriously inaccurate. They must have hit it because 253 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: the beasts fell down. But then what did it do? Well, 254 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: it's obviously and you know, uh, immortal demon from hell. 255 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: So clearly it got back up and ran away. You 256 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: know everybody knows that, um did. Did you mention that 257 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: they were like bounty hunters that were after this thing, Ben, Yeah, yes, 258 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: some people put up bounties, which inspired a lot of 259 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: the hunters, I think, and that's certainly what inspired the 260 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: two main characters. Sorry I keep harping on it. That 261 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,359 Speaker 1: does love this movie so much. In Brotherhood of the Wolf, 262 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: there the two these two like ninja guys that you know, 263 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: where these amazing like peaked hats like you'd see in like, uh, 264 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, Washington Crossing the Potomac. It's it's very cool looking, 265 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: very stylized. They have these amazing scarves that cover like 266 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: just under their noses, and it's really cool costume design 267 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: that movie. And these two guys are the ones that 268 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: are actually after it, uh in a detective capacity, but 269 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: also in like a you know, sick bounty hunter kind 270 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: of badass kind of capacity. And I'll say this, it's 271 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: one of my favorite films. Actually, it's one of the 272 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: reasons I was so happy to get to talk about 273 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: this at length. Well, it's got some problematic stuff. It's 274 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: got the you know, the mysterious partner from the Native 275 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: American community. That's right, Yeah, I forgot about that. But 276 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: the characters are so oh gosh. I thought for a 277 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: time it might have been based on a video game. 278 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I thought it might be like 279 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: a French Mortal Kombat or something, and I was too 280 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: scared to ask anybody whether that was correct. You're totally 281 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: ripe in and there's there's even a badass woman character 282 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: that gets into the action and reveals that she's also 283 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: an incredible Mortal Kombat and Ninja. Um. Sorry we keep 284 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: gushing about this movie. I think we're on the same 285 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: page here. Um. But it was one of those things too, 286 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: where like you see in a lot of killer movies 287 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: or monster movies, there's okay, we got it, it's it's dead, 288 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: and then the twist is and then the killing continues. 289 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: You know. So oftentimes, because of the bounty, there would 290 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: be these bounty hunters or hunters trying to make a 291 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: buck bringing in this thing. They would purport to be 292 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: the beast because they didn't know what kind of animal 293 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: it was. My just be a wolf of quite and 294 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: there was I think in the movie there's even one 295 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: person that brings in a particularly large and nasty looking wolf. Um, 296 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: and they do, i think closed the case briefly until 297 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: the killing. And and there's a conspiracy on the part 298 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: of the monarchy where they say, just give us something 299 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: so that we we can say we've solved the problems. 300 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: Let's maybe talk a little bit about the descriptions of 301 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: this creature. What did it look like, how did it behave? 302 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: Because what we're gonna find is that these descriptions don't 303 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: all match sometimes. I mean, it was typically described as 304 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: something that seemed wolf like, so seemed like a mammal, 305 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: but it was sometimes described as as large as a calf, 306 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: sometimes as large as a as a horse. I believe 307 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: reddish in color, had some sort of distinct coloration dark 308 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: coloration along at spine, and you know, went to great 309 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: lengths to try to make their case. And this was 310 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: the beast, and and and really you know, it took 311 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: to the next level. Some of them did by shoving 312 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: pieces of clothing, you know, into the stomachs of the 313 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: dead wolves with a stick or something like that. And 314 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: of course there's no like forensics at this time. You 315 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: can't match you know, blood samples from Abe's stomach to 316 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: the you know, the victim. So it would all just 317 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: be kind of like visual and confirmation that would be 318 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: where where it would end. Yeah, we do know a 319 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: couple of consistent things in the reporting. So it appeared 320 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: to be active in the evenings and in the mornings, 321 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: which means in the world of biology, it is a 322 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: crepuscular animal. It's active during the twilight hours when the 323 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: hunting is is perfect for it. It's an ambush hunter. 324 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: It appeared to stalk people, usually loan women, or children, 325 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: but also dudes as well, and it would seize these 326 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: people by the throat. When you looked at a body 327 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: of it victims, you would see a lot of wounds 328 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: were on the head and the limbs. And with the 329 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: decapitations you mentioned, uh, yeah, it is true that at 330 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: least sixteen people were reportedly found decapitate. That's coming to 331 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: us from history dot com. And already we have to 332 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: tip our hats to our tricorn hats to some of 333 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: the contemporaneous investigators of the day, because they were already 334 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: trying to guess what sort of real life, non supernatural 335 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: animal it might be. There's a guy named Lafonte who 336 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: wrote in a report that was pretty early in the 337 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: days of the beast Reign of Terror, where he said 338 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: that the beast has a snout that's kind of like 339 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: it calves and has very long hair, and to him 340 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: it meant that it could be a hyena, and like, 341 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: I think, along the way here, we're going to be 342 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: gathering these different possible culprits, right, possible susfects. But other 343 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: people had more exaggerated or more extreme descriptions of the beast. 344 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah he he, he actually described it looking more like 345 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: a leopard, or at least in the way its body 346 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: was long and Slender described it as having a breast 347 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: as wide as a horse, and also referred to that 348 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: red coloration with that black stripe. Should we spoil it 349 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: real quick? The movie what it ends up being, it's 350 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: cool because it obviously takes all of this into account 351 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: and then makes it the most ridiculous and extreme version 352 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: of all of this stuff. Yeah, okay, spoiler. In the 353 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: In the film, it's a juvenile lion wearing crazy armor. Yes, 354 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: of course, it looks like battle Cat from he Man 355 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: or something. You know, they articulated jaw, it's made out 356 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: a bone of some yeah that like moves exactly moves 357 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: with it, and like extra stuff around the clause and 358 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: like the you know, spines of spikes along its back, 359 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: and uh, it ends up being like there's a there's 360 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: a beast Master, a shadowy beast Master. And then the movie, 361 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 1: Oh god, you guys really have to see this, and 362 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: none of this that we're telling you was going to 363 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: spoil your enjoyment of the movie at all, because it's 364 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: just a bonker's romp of of of a film. And Ben, 365 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: there were even some reports that you know there there 366 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: was perhaps some occult occultishness foot here. Yes, uh, there 367 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: were multiple witnesses who claimed the beast had uncanny supernatural abilities, 368 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: that I could walk on its hind feet, that it 369 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: was bullet proof, that I have fire in its eyes, 370 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: and that, like we said earlier, it was very Jason Vorhees, 371 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: it just kept coming back from the dead. You know, 372 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: we can't blame people for believing this. They were terrified, 373 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: they may have known someone who died. They also were 374 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: very complimentary its leaping abilities, according to Smithsonian magazine. And yeah, 375 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: it it really became such a cause. I have the 376 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: over appreciation there of of people trying to make a 377 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: name for themselves, you know as being brave or maybe 378 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: some some disgraced soldiers that wanted to clean up their 379 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: reputation and and have sort of like a underdog, you know, 380 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: coming back kind of moment um there. You know, the 381 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: numbers kept going up. Officials were losing their minds. Aristocrats 382 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: were freaked out because they're like, well, what if it 383 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: comes into my palace and and uh and during my bathtime. 384 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: The mals me um Etienne Lafonte, who was a regional 385 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: government delegate and a gentleman captain by the name of 386 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: Jean Baptiste duomel Um were in charge of the infantry 387 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: in the region, and they decided it was time to 388 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: take this thing to the next level and essentially put 389 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: together a volunteer army, a militia. And we're not talking 390 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: just like a little search hunting party. We're talking about 391 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: like a full on, like battle mode. Yeah, thirty thousand people. 392 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: At one point. Dum All organized the guys based on 393 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: what he knew from his experience in the military, and 394 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: they also left poison bait. They tried to do some 395 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: I guess like sting operations. They had soldiers dresses peasant 396 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: women and walk around yeah hoping. I wonder who drew 397 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: the damn me. I hope no beasts are out tonight. 398 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: I wonder if if it was something where people thought 399 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: it was a bad job, or if there were dudes 400 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: who were like champion at the bit to volunteer and 401 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: they were like, this is my time. I mean, you know, 402 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: back in those days, wasn't the fashion pretty effect anyway, 403 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: with like powdered wigs and lacey doiley outfits and you know, 404 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: little little shoes and pantyhose, you know, yeah, like I 405 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: will dress as the peasant woman if I can keep 406 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: the costume afterwards, exactly. I think that's right. Then, I 407 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: think that's right. Um. But for for doom l in particular, 408 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: it was a way, like like I said at the top, 409 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: a way to redeem his honor after the war, because 410 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: he's described by the historian Smith that we mentioned as 411 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: having many signs of quote wounded masculinity quote from him 412 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: from his book. He had a highly sensitive regard for 413 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: his own honor and had some bad experiences in the war, 414 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: and looked at this challenge of the defeating the beast 415 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: as a way to redeem himself. Yep. And there were 416 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: there were some other redemptive arcs here, because we have 417 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: to remember, for a lot of the reading public, this 418 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: was playing out like an action film, you know, this 419 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: was an ongoing case, and the press would, uh, the 420 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: press eventually used its power to get King Louis himself 421 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: to to lend a hand in the search for the beast. 422 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: Because when they would describe how peasants escaped the beast, 423 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the ones who survived, they always said, look at this 424 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: like heroic, noble person, especially children they're defending themselves. You know, 425 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: these good salt of the earth people. This is real France. 426 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: This is what we're here for, and this is the 427 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: this is what makes our country possible. Also a great 428 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: pr opportunity. Oh yeah, oh brother, you got it. And 429 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: so uh, there was one story that really got to Louis. 430 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: It was this guy named Jacques port Fame. He was 431 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: a young boy and he was hanging out with his pals, 432 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: his running crew. I know we all had one when 433 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: we were kids as cattle boys. Yes, yes, yes, there 434 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: were somewhere between eight to twelve. And they were watching 435 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: the cows, right, they were cow poking. I just is 436 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: that like cow tipping? You just I don't know. I 437 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: keep hearing I'm thinking of the phrase cow poke. But 438 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: you know what, we're working live. We were a fan 439 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: and we're a family show too, So let's let's not 440 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: explore the origins of that weird term. Yeah, right, at 441 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: this exact moment, let's say these these young uh, these 442 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: young cattlemen. On January twelfth, seventeen sixty five, they were 443 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: out there in the field doing their thing, hanging out, 444 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: taking care of the livestock. The beast attacked, but these 445 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: kids weren't you know, they weren't running solo. They were 446 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: ranging in a crew and they had pikes. So together, 447 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: through cooperation, they managed to fend the monster off, and 448 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Jacques was portrayed as the protagonist, the hero of the story, 449 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: and people loved his courage so much that the king 450 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: heard about it and he thought, I don't know if 451 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: this is altruism. I don't know if he was really 452 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: touched or if it was like a political move, but 453 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: either way, he gave all the kids a reward, and 454 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: then he said, I'll pick you, Jacques, and you were 455 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,239 Speaker 1: going to be educated. We're gonna make a learned man 456 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: out of you, and I'm gonna pay the tab. I'll 457 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: take care of all your tuition. Good job, go peasants. 458 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: Yeah you have you other lesser kids, just can you know, 459 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: wither away in the streets for all. Take the money 460 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: and and and of course you can imagine this was 461 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: used by the pro monarchy forces to be like, look 462 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: how much the king loves you. He's such a lovely guy. 463 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: He understands you, he's just like you. In fact, By 464 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: the way, then what's a pike? Is it just a 465 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: pointy stick? Isn't that basically what a pike is? You got, 466 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: It's a really long, whole weapon, typically has a spear 467 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: at the end or a pointed implement of some sort. 468 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: You always hear about heads on pikes when people are 469 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: made an example out of a display them outside the 470 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: castle gates on pikes exactly. And the publicity around these 471 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: children surviving the beast also inspired the royal court to 472 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: send out sanctioned royal hunters to find and eliminate this creature. 473 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: And by this point it's so weird to talk about 474 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: mass media in like seventeen hundreds, but by this point 475 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: people outside of France were following the stories too, people 476 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic. People in Boston were like, did you 477 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: hear there's a new update on the Beast of I 478 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: know that Nolan I both sound like Lumier from Beauty 479 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: and the Beasts. It's our only frame of reference, Casey 480 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: shout out to you for your patients. Totally. Oh, how 481 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: do you say it? Male? It's a little strong perfect 482 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: pronunciation there, start leading into the Lumier. But that that 483 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: is appropriate because we have no Casey, uh learned that 484 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: We've we're just too excited about this story. To make 485 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: it one episode. There's too much cool stuff, agreed. Uh, 486 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: this story is gonna go some twisty and interesting places. 487 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Definitely don't see Brotherhood of the Wolf until after you've 488 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: heard of this podcast, because then, yeah, I would, I 489 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: would wait, and I'm telling you're gonna love it. Gosh, 490 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: I can't just say I gotta watch it. I'm gonna 491 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 1: watch it this weekend. I haven't seen it. I think 492 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: I saw it once when it came out in theaters, 493 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: and I remember so much about it, but you obviously 494 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: been have a special fondness for it. An owner on 495 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: DVD and Andre reminding me of things that I kind 496 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: of forgot. So I'm gonna revisit that. By the way, Ben, 497 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: this is a crossover to another show that we do together. 498 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know. You know, what 499 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: I watched yesterday was that I watched the movie Vibes 500 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: with Uh with Jeff Goldbloom and Side Lapper and Peter Falk, 501 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: and highly recommend that one to anyone as well if 502 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: you like a thing like Ghostbusters, sort of a goofy 503 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: supernatural like rom com. I was expecting it to be bad, 504 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's good, but it's like good. 505 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: It has a vibe. Oh, it has some serious vibes. 506 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: And that's how you can watch that on Amazon Prime 507 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: for free. And I bet your Brotherhood of the What's 508 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: see where you can stream Brotherhood nowhere? Really I was 509 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: looking for it last night and um yeah, physical media 510 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: looks to be the only way right now. Gonna have 511 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: to find yourself a DVD copy or right to us 512 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: on on Instagram, Facebook, and maybe Ben Will will loan 513 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: out his copy for you. I would I would love to. 514 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: I think all three of us are. All three of 515 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: us are into the idea. There is already a waiting 516 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: list because we are going to send the DVD to 517 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: Casey so we can get some official evaluation there because 518 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: you have not seen it, Casey, no, I I very 519 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: much remember when this came out, and I meant to 520 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: see it back when it did come out, but I 521 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: never got around to it. And actually it looks like 522 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: on DVD there's like a director's cut, so uh, there's 523 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: some extra stuff in there that you may have not 524 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: seen it at all. Right, I love it? Okay, Well 525 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get get ahold of that, and 526 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: um yeah, I think you'll you'll get a kick out 527 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: of the case because it is beautifully shot and and 528 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: the acting is great. It's it's a little like scenery 529 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: chewing at times, but it's just a real interesting hybrid 530 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: type movie that I don't think I've ever seen anything 531 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: quite like it. And we didn't ruin the film for you, Casey. 532 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: By the way, No, no, definitely not. Is that one 533 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: of those where like the plot matters well. As I'm reading, 534 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: as we're going through the story, I'm realizing they did 535 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: use a lot of the stuff from the real story. 536 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: But then they, you know, really judged it up, as 537 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: you say, Ben, like with some kung fu supernatural weirdness. 538 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: And it's worth every moment invested. So highly recommend you 539 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: check that out. Also highly recommend you check out our 540 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: Facebook group Ridiculous Historians, where you can get in on 541 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: the conversation about this and other episodes. All you gotta 542 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: do is name names, you know, like me or Ben 543 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: or Casey or or Alex Leaves. We composed our theme 544 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: that's the quist or anything to let us know that 545 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: you're a person that's aware of the show. Now, that 546 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: is a top notch course in the art of the segue, Well, 547 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: I am impressed. Yes, thanks as well to Christopher Hasciotis, 548 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: thanks to Eve's Jeff Coach, thanks to our our own 549 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: research bodyguard, Gabe Blues. Yep, and you know I'm suspecting Gabe. 550 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna listen to this one, 551 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: but I'm suspecting you as well. May have not seen 552 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: The Brotherhood of the Wolf because we didn't. We didn't 553 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: talk about it, so uh, let us know when your 554 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: birthday is next Surprised when you hear from us. We'll 555 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: see you next time, folks. 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