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Speaker 3: So for those of you fans of high school football,
Speaker 3: like Nick Harris.
Speaker 5: I was there last night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, dashed over there after the league meetings and
Speaker 6: got to see the two A D one game.
Speaker 5: It's beautiful.
Speaker 4: You're sick.
Speaker 3: You went to the you came here, you recorded the show.
Speaker 3: He went upstairs. No, he didn't go upstairs.
Speaker 4: Ut yeah, I mean for like a split second before
Speaker 4: you went to locker room availability. You were in locker room.
Speaker 3: Then you got on your horse, you went to the
Speaker 3: league meetings, You went across down to Irving, were there
Speaker 3: for the league meetings, and then from there you went
Speaker 3: back to Arlington and was at at and T Stadium
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.
Speaker 4: All in a day's work and now you've got a
Speaker 4: sportcoat on. This is what happens. This is what I saw.
Speaker 7: Him grinding yesterday. We're hanging out for a little bit
Speaker 7: of those owners meetings.
Speaker 3: Did you take one of those black rifle coffees in
Speaker 3: like yesterday too?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 6: I actually didn't have any coffee yesterday, so I'm yeah,
Speaker 6: I just I was just running off vibes and John
Speaker 6: Mashoda's expertise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dream, did you make it over there to the
Speaker 4: league meetings too? I did?
Speaker 9: I did.
Speaker 7: Whenever it's usually there's like three days out there where
Speaker 7: you can potentially go. I only go for the final
Speaker 7: day because generally when everything wraps up, Roger Goodell will
Speaker 7: go talk in a conference room and that's when all
Speaker 7: the other owners are leaving. And so if you've been
Speaker 7: to these a few times, they're at this same place.
Speaker 9: It's in Lost clean.
Speaker 7: As and when they're leaving then that's usually when Jerry
Speaker 7: you can kind of grab him when he's coming out
Speaker 7: one of the side doors, which is.
Speaker 9: Good because all the other reporters are in Roger Goodell's
Speaker 9: press conference.
Speaker 7: So if you haven't been there before then it's sometimes
Speaker 7: it's easy to lose track of, you know, cause you
Speaker 7: gotta walk outside and kind of go around to this
Speaker 7: other area where you're it. I don't know you were
Speaker 7: saying there, Nick, it kind of feels like you're not
Speaker 7: supposed to be their type thing. You know, it's a
Speaker 7: nice hotel, but man, I'll tell you what, when Jerry
Speaker 7: sees you, he just always has something to talk about,
Speaker 7: like he And at no point did I feel like
Speaker 7: we talked him for over twenty minutes. At no point
Speaker 7: did I feel like he was like all right, guys,
Speaker 7: I gotta go like he was. I don't know, and
Speaker 7: probably the team playing well is probably factored into but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: he was. He was down to talk for a while,
Speaker 7: and so when that happens, it makes it really worth it, because,
Speaker 7: like I was telling Beam before the show started that
Speaker 7: there's times like that where at the Combine and things
Speaker 7: like that where you feel pretty good that you're gonna
Speaker 7: get Jerry or Steven. But there are times every once
Speaker 7: in a while where you're waiting for three four hours
Speaker 7: and then you don't get anything, and then it's just
Speaker 7: kind of like you feel like you got to explain
Speaker 7: this to your bosses of like, this is what I know.
Speaker 9: We have to wait outside here, this is part of
Speaker 9: the job. This is what we do.
Speaker 7: So and the other interesting part about it, you didn't
Speaker 7: see it as much yesterday, but at the Combine is
Speaker 7: so few other owners talk and so there is such
Speaker 7: a payoff if you cover the cow Boys there's been
Speaker 7: at the Competition committee meetings where Steven's at.
Speaker 9: It's usually the beginning of combine.
Speaker 7: There's other coaches, other front office, no other reporters except
Speaker 7: for Cowboys reporters. And there's like ten Cowboys reporters that
Speaker 7: are there because it's it's worth your while, you know.
Speaker 3: We're all huddled around right kind of on the laptop
Speaker 3: working while we're waiting, and then he pops up. He's
Speaker 3: there for twenty minutes. And I've never done the league
Speaker 3: meetings grind, but like when you were talking about it,
Speaker 3: I was thinking, oh yeah, I'm just thinking the combine
Speaker 3: rotation of it all the uh I mean with him
Speaker 3: saying having a bunch to say yesterday though, does that lead.
Speaker 4: Into some news and notes?
Speaker 5: It does? It doesn't.
Speaker 9: I mean, I feel like there's a lot that Seguay
Speaker 9: pros probably.
Speaker 6: I mean, between Sunday and yesterday we have had fifty
Speaker 6: minutes of Jerry Jones Access five zero, so there's a
Speaker 6: lot to.
Speaker 5: Talk about Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4: Thanks Jerry.
Speaker 6: But I just want to start off with my biggest
Speaker 6: surprise about the league meetings before we do dive into
Speaker 6: the news and notes. The lunch was phenomenal. Oh my
Speaker 6: good gosh. So I almost picked up a water Burger
Speaker 6: before I came in. I was trying to love response
Speaker 6: for Yeah, yeah, me too. You should have picked up one.
Speaker 6: I should have pick would have been better. It would
Speaker 6: have been, but I would have had to pay Instead.
Speaker 6: I got free lunch here at the at the Los
Speaker 6: Colinas Hotel.
Speaker 4: The only reason you chose it over water?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was only reason it was incredible. It was
Speaker 6: incredible stuff. Did not expect that glad I didn't pick
Speaker 6: up food but shut out Waterburger. I might tonight anyway.
Speaker 6: Uh News and notes, diving into what Jerry said yesterday
Speaker 6: during his twenty five minutes of access while I freeze
Speaker 6: because I didn't bring a coat, we could start off
Speaker 6: with the super Bowl was chosen for SOFI Stadium in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty seven yesterday, So that that makes at and
Speaker 6: T Stadium. It'll go at least seventeen years without a
Speaker 6: Super Bowl since twenty ten. Jerry was asked about a
Speaker 6: lot of things, you know, like were you guys in
Speaker 6: the conversation, did y'all put in a bid? And he
Speaker 6: was saying that there isn't really like a bid process anymore.
Speaker 6: But that people just kind of like stand up in
Speaker 6: the room and they move forward with candidates that see
Speaker 6: most fit, like what fit most criteria. Jerry said that
Speaker 6: sometimes the criteria that go along with it are just
Speaker 6: more than what we want to do. There was a
Speaker 6: time when you had to play some home games in
Speaker 6: some other countries to get a Super Bowl. We just
Speaker 6: decided to sit out that year. I'm using that more
Speaker 6: as an example, but it just doesn't fit for us
Speaker 6: right now. So he said he was thrilled about a
Speaker 6: SOFI getting into twenty twenty seven, said they deserved it,
Speaker 6: but that you know, AT and T Stadium just wasn't
Speaker 6: in the mix this time around.
Speaker 4: So that's so interesting, the fact that it's.
Speaker 3: Been that long for what could arguably be said as
Speaker 3: one of the best, if not the best stadium in
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 9: No question, that's how I feel.
Speaker 7: I mean, we're saying before the show, I feel like
Speaker 7: AT and T Stadium with the doors and roof open,
Speaker 7: is the best stadium. I haven't been to Allegiance yet,
Speaker 7: people I know they have been there say that it's
Speaker 7: not better than AT and T. So that's the only
Speaker 7: other ones that I would put in the newer level
Speaker 7: with at and t sofi Us Bank in Minneapolis beautiful
Speaker 7: and then and then obviously Allegiant where the Raiders play.
Speaker 9: And I'll tell you what this is.
Speaker 7: I'm just gonna read in between the lines of the
Speaker 7: twenty minutes around with Jerry. And I don't know if
Speaker 7: you noticed towards the end there when he was asked
Speaker 7: about the officiating, how he talked about how now this
Speaker 7: is all gonna come back to the stadium and the
Speaker 7: Super Bowl. How when he talked about the officiating, how
Speaker 7: he mentioned replay has brought more eyeballs to the game
Speaker 7: and made it more interesting, like they've been able to
Speaker 7: track that having instant replay has been actually good for
Speaker 7: the sport in terms of talking about it. And so
Speaker 7: I took that as probably the fact that so many
Speaker 7: people talk about the officials and the NFL and everything
Speaker 7: like that, and Jerry is a person that likes that, Hey,
Speaker 7: as long as everyone's talking about it, he's happy, because
Speaker 7: then the spotlights on the NFL. And clearly, if you
Speaker 7: follow sports right now in the United States of America,
Speaker 7: the NFL is just lapping everything else.
Speaker 9: It's not even close.
Speaker 7: So anyway, which makes me think of that Mark Cuban
Speaker 7: quote about how pigs get fat, hogs gets slaughtered.
Speaker 9: I'm so waiting for them. This is gonna happen.
Speaker 7: Don't sun the same time sit anyway, But that was
Speaker 7: almost the ten year anniversary is coming up on that one,
Speaker 7: so we're still gonna wait on that.
Speaker 5: But it's still get fatter.
Speaker 7: But because of that, I think there's a part of
Speaker 7: Jerry that likes LA having the Super Bowl again because
Speaker 7: of the glitz and the glamour.
Speaker 9: Jerry obviously was a big part of LA.
Speaker 7: Getting that team back there. Yeah, he's close with Stan Cronke.
Speaker 7: You know, if you've been out to that stadium, they have,
Speaker 7: like the NFL network headquarters are right across the street.
Speaker 7: They're really trying to build that into a hub. So
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that he's fine with not getting the
Speaker 7: Super Bowl, but I think that that would be the
Speaker 7: one spot where he'd be like, this helps the brand everything.
Speaker 7: You know, they did a great job with it when
Speaker 7: it was they just had the Super Bowl with twenty
Speaker 7: twenty two. So I do think there's a small part
Speaker 7: of Jerry that thinks like that of the bigger picture
Speaker 7: as opposed to just like being anger that my stadium
Speaker 7: isn't getting one, I guess yeah.
Speaker 3: And I completely get that because Jerry was so instrumental
Speaker 3: in allowing so far to happen, right, I mean, he
Speaker 3: was a big partner in that.
Speaker 4: Whole planning process.
Speaker 3: At some point, it'll come back at some point at
Speaker 3: and T Stadium is too much. You talk about in
Speaker 3: the limelight and in the middle of everything, the Cowboys
Speaker 3: brand eighteen and it's always there, So it'll come back
Speaker 3: at some point. It's just shocking to me that it
Speaker 3: continues to get kicked down the line that can continues
Speaker 3: to be kicked. And maybe you talk about the way
Speaker 3: that so far did things great, and LA is so
Speaker 3: reliable from a weather standpoint year round that maybe that
Speaker 3: plays a factor into it.
Speaker 4: And then the factor of twenty ten and the ice.
Speaker 3: And the snow and everything that happened in Dallas that
Speaker 3: year that was really out of control from a football standpoint,
Speaker 3: It was mostly just outside factors. Maybe that plays a
Speaker 3: factor into it too. But I still think if you
Speaker 3: do that nine times out of ten in Dallas at
Speaker 3: that time of year, it's not going to be what
Speaker 3: it was in twenty ten. You're going to find a
Speaker 3: different weather report then you'll see it. And that's standing
Speaker 3: so interesting to think about. And I think at some
Speaker 3: point the Super Bowl will come back, just maybe after
Speaker 3: the World Cup Final comes Yeah, and.
Speaker 6: There's probably a possibility that, you know, once the renovations
Speaker 6: get made for I think it's the sweet level at AT
Speaker 6: and T Stadium ahead of the World Up that you know,
Speaker 6: maybe there's some some more leniency that the NFL will
Speaker 6: have and bringing back AT and T Stadium. On that
Speaker 6: same note, really quick, this isn't really a news of note.
Speaker 6: We can kind of brief it really quick. He was
Speaker 6: asked yesterday if he feels confident about the World Cup
Speaker 6: Final being at AT and T Stadium, and the new
Speaker 6: Jersey governor said. Phil Murphy said back in September that
Speaker 6: the two finalists are MetLife Stadium and AT and T
Speaker 6: and Jerry. He was asked few was confident, He said, no,
Speaker 6: I'm not confident, and he kind of gave a sales
Speaker 6: pitch after it was why AT and T Stadium should
Speaker 6: be the final finalist.
Speaker 5: So we'll see, we'll see it.
Speaker 6: It doesn't sound doesn't sound too promising there in case
Speaker 6: any soccer fans out there were hoping to get the
Speaker 6: final at.
Speaker 5: At and T.
Speaker 4: I'm still hoping.
Speaker 6: I'm still holding out hope as well. I am holding
Speaker 6: out hope as well.
Speaker 4: Let's make it happen.
Speaker 3: Yes, we could put together a sales pitch too. I mean,
Speaker 3: we can all three make it happen.
Speaker 5: Let's do Let's just do talking World Cup a couple days.
Speaker 5: We could do that.
Speaker 4: That that'd be great, be awesome.
Speaker 6: The owners did approve a new international game yesterday in
Speaker 6: South Paalo, Brazil for the twenty twenty four season. It's
Speaker 6: gonna be the league's first ever game in South America.
Speaker 6: I'll take that too, but yeah, well that's not going
Speaker 6: to happen. Jerry Jones was asked yesterday if there's any
Speaker 6: interest from the Cowboys and going out there, and it's
Speaker 6: the it's the same. It's the same thing as going
Speaker 6: out to England, whereas the Cowboys would have to give
Speaker 6: up a home game to go there and be the
Speaker 6: home team there. And he said, we have a lot
Speaker 6: of fans. It fits for a lot of clubs. It
Speaker 6: doesn't fit for the Cowboys as much. We have the
Speaker 6: highest attendance in the NFL. Of course, when we don't
Speaker 6: have a game here, it makes a big difference now.
Speaker 6: He did say that there is one international destination that
Speaker 6: he would be willing to go to if if the
Speaker 6: league were to don't it and he said, when we
Speaker 6: aren't playing here, I want to be in Mexico City.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, I thought you were saying, don't say the
Speaker 6: right one, but I was gonna say Mexican bad. He said,
Speaker 6: Mexico City is good and close. If I'm going international,
Speaker 6: I want to play there mainly because of our fans
Speaker 6: and our following and the affinity that we get UH
Speaker 6: here back home in the United States from the Hispanic
Speaker 6: fan base. And then he mentioned later in the interview
Speaker 6: of that as Teca, which is the big historic stadium
Speaker 6: in Mexico City, or Monterey where would be the two
Speaker 6: locations that he'd be willing to go play in Mexico.
Speaker 6: So if if if the Cowboys are going abroad, it's
Speaker 6: going to be in Mexico, that would be awesome.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't completely rule out Brazil, though I don't think
Speaker 7: it's one hundred percent the door shut on that. I
Speaker 7: still think it's a possibility. I think that's what Jerry's
Speaker 7: saying coming out of those meetings. But I wouldn't completely
Speaker 7: rule it out. There are other people that believe that
Speaker 7: the Cowboys still have a good chance of playing in
Speaker 7: Brazil next year with the extra home game, So I
Speaker 7: don't know.
Speaker 9: We'll see how that all.
Speaker 7: Gets worked out, but I don't think it would be
Speaker 7: a huge surprise if they end up playing that first
Speaker 7: game there. And I would not be opposed that either.
Speaker 4: No, I don't take that trip at all. It sounds great.
Speaker 3: Mexico City would be awesome as well. There are so
Speaker 3: many fans down there too. Yeah, either one of those right, phenomenal.
Speaker 6: Well, Jerry did say that he has a lot of
Speaker 6: business in Brazil and that he's the biggest automotive dealer
Speaker 6: in Brazil.
Speaker 5: He did say that in the interview.
Speaker 7: So what's it's the number one thing I learned yesterday,
Speaker 7: I'll be honest with you, was.
Speaker 9: No, it was like all then Watkins looked it up
Speaker 9: at after. It's true. It's stories out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, that's insane, that's incredible. Really, I'm I'm impressed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's like, there's nothing wrong with Brazil. I love Brazil.
Speaker 6: Or we have a ton of fans in Brazil. I'm
Speaker 6: one of the biggest automotive dealers in Brazil's. Yeah, that
Speaker 6: was kind of what we kind of like looked at
Speaker 6: each other like, oh okay, cool. I wish that would
Speaker 6: have followed up on that. That's my bad for.
Speaker 5: What are we doing here?
Speaker 6: But yeah, great cash, Yeah, straight straight cash. But yeah,
Speaker 6: fascinating stuff. And then the last thing we could touch
Speaker 6: on here before diving into the next segment is John
Speaker 6: across from He asked about Dak Prescott's contract extension situation.
Speaker 5: You know, with him having this NB m.
Speaker 6: VP caliber type season, obviously the you would think that
Speaker 6: the price tag would be going up. But it kind
Speaker 6: of sounds like a John, you can kind of pitch
Speaker 6: in here and kind of give your take, because you
Speaker 6: know Jerry B. Jerry B talking, He said that the
Speaker 6: price text kind of always been the same. That's kind
Speaker 6: of what I took from it, is that he's had
Speaker 6: this high number that he's looking forward to getting done
Speaker 6: when the season is over. He said that that number
Speaker 6: has been high, and it's been the same since he's
Speaker 6: been playing. When he played poorly early in the season
Speaker 6: and since he's been playing better later in the season.
Speaker 6: He said he's not worried about an increasing price tag,
Speaker 6: but he does know that there's a lot of players
Speaker 6: that he's going to have to pay here pretty soon,
Speaker 6: and he said it's going to be like fitting a
Speaker 6: square peg in a round hole. So I know there's
Speaker 6: a little bit of concerns there as far as getting
Speaker 6: everybody done, because I mean, when you look at it
Speaker 6: on paper, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Michael Parsons, Deron Bland,
Speaker 6: now Tony Pollard, if you want to bring him back,
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of guys that they're going
Speaker 6: to have to pay here pretty soon. So at Dak
Speaker 6: Prescott obviously being at the forefront of that conversation, just
Speaker 6: because an extension needs to get done this offseason and
Speaker 6: preferably as soon as possible, and this MVP caliber season
Speaker 6: will surely make that a little bit more difficult.
Speaker 3: Well, think about even if you're going to bring up
Speaker 3: Deron Bland, you can bring up the entire twenty to
Speaker 3: twenty two draft class, Yeah, Tyler Smith, Tyler Smith, Jake Ferguson,
Speaker 3: Deron Bland.
Speaker 4: I mean, the list goes on and on on that one.
Speaker 3: Because they've they've had so much impact from that draft
Speaker 3: class that all of those contracts are going to hit
Speaker 3: in the same offseason if you don't get something done early. So, uh,
Speaker 3: definitely something to keep an eye on. And I think
Speaker 3: right now you're riding the high. You're you're you're winning games.
Speaker 3: He's playing at an MVP caliber level. Don't worry about
Speaker 3: it too much. Uh, but at some point that will
Speaker 3: be a conversation, especially in the off season, that's going
Speaker 3: to be a conversation.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Dak Prescott, he.
Speaker 3: Is one of eight finalists for the Art Rooney Sportsmanship
Speaker 3: Awards that that the that came down this morning. He's
Speaker 3: the only quarterback to be one of the finalists, along
Speaker 3: with Kevin Zeller or Kevin Zieler, Bobby Wagner, c J Mosley,
Speaker 3: Khalil Mack, Kyle Huschak, Max Crosby, and Buddha Baker and
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: Look, I love Max Crosby. Well, we're talking about a
Speaker 6: sportsmanship award.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep is is the hill.
Speaker 6: He's always saying something to quarterbacks every time he throws
Speaker 6: their head in the ground.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty.
Speaker 3: Impressive given to the player who best embodied embodies traits
Speaker 3: like integrity and respect for the game and opponents.
Speaker 4: Current players decide the winner. So hey, if current players
Speaker 4: have them final line.
Speaker 5: That's true. That's true. Maybe I'm not on the field,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know anything. I don't know anything.
Speaker 3: If it's anything from what we've seen in that Quarterback
Speaker 3: documentary on on Netflix, he talks a lot on the field,
Speaker 3: and then after the game's.
Speaker 4: Over, he's buddy, buddy. That's study. So that is true.
Speaker 5: I don't want to get John on the conversation though.
Speaker 7: As long as Jerry's Jones is alive, there's no chance
Speaker 7: that Dak Prescott, Michael Parsons, and Cede lamm are going anywhere.
Speaker 9: Yes, it's not happening.
Speaker 7: I think that they'll find ways to get all those
Speaker 7: other guys that you mentioned, but they're all they're on
Speaker 7: the side, like those three that that trio.
Speaker 9: That's what you know.
Speaker 7: When he had to follow up, oh yeah, you asked
Speaker 7: it about CD, That's the way I took his answer
Speaker 7: on that was that, yeah, we'll figure it out when
Speaker 7: it gets there. We want these guys obviously playing at
Speaker 7: this elite level because the goal is to win a
Speaker 7: super Bowl, and it's our chances are.
Speaker 9: Significantly better to win a super Bowl.
Speaker 7: These guys are playing at that level, and I totally
Speaker 7: get it, but Jerry loves stars, and you could potentially
Speaker 7: have the highest paid quarterback, highest paid defensive player, one
Speaker 7: of the highest paid wide receivers, and that might.
Speaker 9: Just be the cost of doing business, you know.
Speaker 7: So it also makes you think, especially after the Otani deal,
Speaker 7: that if there wasn't a salary cap, we wouldn't even
Speaker 7: have to discuss this stuff. It would just be getting
Speaker 7: done and we would just be reporting about how crazy
Speaker 7: the number is being given to Dak, Yep, Mike, and CD.
Speaker 7: I just do not see those three everything else. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's difficult for me to see them letting dron Blanco
Speaker 7: or Tyler Smith, but that's on that next level.
Speaker 9: Those three, I just can't see him. I mean just
Speaker 9: the way that they've all played.
Speaker 7: I mean, you're not going to move on from a
Speaker 7: franchise quarterback playing at an MVP level. Micah is doing
Speaker 7: numbers that haven't been seen since Reggie White and Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 7: Every single season keeps getting better and better. Jerry loves
Speaker 7: number one wide receivers. He's not letting Ceedee Lamb go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if there wasn't a salary cap, I feel like
Speaker 6: we could book trips to February as soon as I
Speaker 6: get announced. But yeah, it's that's probably there's probably a
Speaker 6: lot of truth on that being the nucleus of those
Speaker 6: three guys, but it also kind of it starts with
Speaker 6: this offseason. They're gonna have to make some decisions this
Speaker 6: offseason because it's gonna, you know, have a trickle down
Speaker 6: effect for the next few years and whenever they do
Speaker 6: get to the Micah conversation with the Deron Bland situation,
Speaker 6: So are we talking about you know, Stefan Gilmour, Hey man,
Speaker 6: we love you, but just can't bring you back. I mean,
Speaker 6: there's only so much we can do here. I think
Speaker 6: that's a conversation that will probably had with a couple
Speaker 6: of guys.
Speaker 5: And it's tough. It's tough, but oh yeah, conversation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when you're making all those moves, though I can
Speaker 7: already see where it would be. It's that, well, we're
Speaker 7: gonna have to draft a corner in like the second
Speaker 7: or third round, kind of throw them to the wolves,
Speaker 7: and hey, there might be some growing pains, but we
Speaker 7: are paying these guys all of this, or are about.
Speaker 9: To pay all these guys. These are some of the
Speaker 9: moves we have to make.
Speaker 7: That's why, you know, you list your top players and
Speaker 7: then obviously Jerry and Mike as being most important or
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy Serry being the most important. But very high
Speaker 7: in that list is Will McLay because they're going to
Speaker 7: have to continue to draft as well as they have
Speaker 7: to fill in the gaps in some of these spots.
Speaker 6: You know, A big sentence that I feel like has
Speaker 6: been told to us a lot, at least since I've
Speaker 6: started on the beat is we trust in our scouting
Speaker 6: and we trust in our evaluation department. Yeah, And I
Speaker 6: feel like it gets even more important when you talk
Speaker 6: about this conversation because it's like, Okay, this is just
Speaker 6: an example. Hey, we can let Ustefind Gilmore go because
Speaker 6: we trust that we can draft another one, you know,
Speaker 6: like not another Stefan Gilmore. We can draft a guy
Speaker 6: that can be just as impactful to throw in on
Speaker 6: the boundary and be okay, or throw in at Nickel
Speaker 6: and be okay.
Speaker 7: So how do you guys think that would impact though
Speaker 7: the potential? If they've had so much success off of
Speaker 7: the Cooks Gilmore trades, where would you guys sit on
Speaker 7: the whole idea of do you want to keep trying
Speaker 7: to make those moves or are your picks too much
Speaker 7: where you have to get those you can't make those
Speaker 7: maybe one two year swings on veteran players. Because they've
Speaker 7: had so much success, it makes me think that they're
Speaker 7: not going to stop doing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels.
Speaker 5: Circumstantial for me.
Speaker 4: Same here.
Speaker 3: I think they've been looking for deals like that. They've
Speaker 3: been hoping for opportunities to spend Day three picks late
Speaker 3: day three picks, to have impactful players veterans come in
Speaker 3: and have the same sort of impact that Cooks and
Speaker 3: Gilmore have had. That doesn't always happen, though, in not
Speaker 3: every year you're going to have a guy on the
Speaker 3: market like a Gilmore or co and say, hey, here's
Speaker 3: a fifth round pick or here's a package of a
Speaker 3: fifth and a sixth.
Speaker 4: And it's going to work out. I think if it
Speaker 4: is available.
Speaker 3: And you do have an opportunity to do that, I
Speaker 3: don't see them trading rounds one through three ever, in
Speaker 3: round four almost all any time. I mean, they would
Speaker 3: have to be a perfect deal to trade a fourth
Speaker 3: round pick. They value those picks super well, and for
Speaker 3: good reason. I mean, we talked about it yesterday. Outside
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three right now, you're still hoping for
Speaker 3: a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Out of your twenty twenty three class.
Speaker 3: But the last four years have been really impressive draft wise,
Speaker 3: and they've continued to do so drafting and a roster.
Speaker 4: Building at a high level.
Speaker 3: And I mean, if you're able to do that with
Speaker 3: later day three picks, that's one thing. If you're able
Speaker 3: to do it with rounds one through four, that's another thing.
Speaker 6: To Marvin and no, Overstone's going to come back and
Speaker 6: redeem the twenty twenty three draft class.
Speaker 10: I hope.
Speaker 3: So it sounds great. Hey, Villyambi Fojoco was designated for return,
Speaker 3: Maybe he.
Speaker 4: Pops back in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we could touch on about super fast Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 6: hard pressed to play on Saturday or excuse me, on Sunday.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking college on Sunday. According to Mike McCarthy. So
Speaker 6: it looks like there's gonna need to be some defensive
Speaker 6: tackle help. Expect Carl Davis to get elevated off the
Speaker 6: practice squad. Ten year veteran who you know, he's played
Speaker 6: with a handful of teams and six foot five, three
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty five pounds. I believe so he's he's
Speaker 6: definitely a wide body in there. And then two guys
Speaker 6: were They had their twenty one day practice windows open.
Speaker 6: Defensive end Villiami Fijoco Junior, the fourth round pick out
Speaker 6: of San Jose State. He hasn't played all season, but
Speaker 6: he has been on the fifty three man when he
Speaker 6: wasn't on the ir and then Billy Price, he's on
Speaker 6: the practice squad. He had his twenty one day window
Speaker 6: opened as well. I don't foresee either of those guys
Speaker 6: being on the roster by the end of the season.
Speaker 6: I don't think either of them make the fifty three
Speaker 6: man at some point.
Speaker 4: Wow, I just.
Speaker 6: Don't see room for them unless an injury happens between
Speaker 6: now and then.
Speaker 5: I don't see where they could fit in. But maybe
Speaker 5: I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: We'll see, Yeah, I mean right now, Brandon Aubrey's carrying
Speaker 3: this rookie class.
Speaker 4: He wasn't even a draft pick.
Speaker 5: And Hunter lip Key, that's true, Hey, he wasn't a
Speaker 5: draft pick either. He want a draft pick either.
Speaker 3: We got a text from the four three to two
Speaker 3: before we go to break. He said he lives out
Speaker 3: in West Texas. He looked out his window this morning.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he saw Brandon Aubrey warming up, kicking
Speaker 3: toward AT and T stadium hashtag weapon nice one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's trying to trying to make it work all right
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Speaker 3: look in a preview the Cowboys offense versus that Bill's
Speaker 3: defense that's missing a couple of pieces. How much does
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Speaker 4: Back alongside, what was it?
Speaker 5: I wonder if I say I got him in this morning?
Speaker 4: I wonder if he' it is well? I can turn
Speaker 4: to the left.
Speaker 3: Normally I turn to the left and find Isaiah and
Speaker 3: ask have you had your oats?
Speaker 4: This morning. Did you get your oats in John.
Speaker 9: I most certainly did not. I'm going on a bottle
Speaker 9: of water right now, that's all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go same here.
Speaker 9: I got a breakfast person.
Speaker 3: Wait really never just in general, no, I mean like
Speaker 3: you just don't eat breakfast.
Speaker 9: No, no, I'm never hungry in the morning.
Speaker 4: Do you like breakfast food.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's fine, but it's not like.
Speaker 7: The idea of eating this massive breakfast, like you know,
Speaker 7: the whole like traditional like whatever, toast, eggs.
Speaker 9: I would never.
Speaker 7: I can barely eat granola bar in the morning. I'm
Speaker 7: not angry at all.
Speaker 6: Interesting, My stomach typically takes a couple of hours to
Speaker 6: get settled when I wake up to so I'm kind
Speaker 6: of along the same line of thinking. But there have
Speaker 6: been sometimes where I hop out of bed, I'm like,
Speaker 6: where's the eggs, let's go to work.
Speaker 3: Mine is mostly just because I don't like waking up
Speaker 3: in the morning early. I'm a night owl, so I'm
Speaker 3: usually up at two am and not not up at seven.
Speaker 3: So mine is like I just don't have time to
Speaker 3: eat breakfast normally, then go grab it by deet. I
Speaker 3: love breakfast food, though. The if Isaiah were in here,
Speaker 3: he would be flagger flabbergasted.
Speaker 4: He would just be beside us.
Speaker 9: Oh, we've talked about it before. Yeah, he was most
Speaker 9: important the other day or whatever.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, all right, the energy, all right, Isaiah.
Speaker 9: I got energy.
Speaker 4: I'm fire.
Speaker 7: And also I don't really drink any coffee either, and
Speaker 7: it's right that so I don't really I don't feel
Speaker 7: like I need the energy in the morning. I guess
Speaker 7: I could always use it, but uh yeah, now just
Speaker 7: not a not a breakfast person, had a notes person,
Speaker 7: Sarah guys, just going off.
Speaker 3: Vibes and dream living a dream life. Right, let's roll,
Speaker 3: all right, Dak Prescott has been living the dream lately.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's playing at an extremely high level. He
Speaker 3: continues to throw the rock around, take care of the football,
Speaker 3: lead his team the victory this week against the team
Speaker 3: that's missing multiple pieces on that defense. We talked earlier
Speaker 3: in the year, even about the Matt Mullano and what
Speaker 3: he did in the first couple of weeks of the year.
Speaker 3: He's out, he's on ir. The the way that they
Speaker 3: lost Tredavius White early in the season to a torn
Speaker 3: achilles back in Week four, I mean, there's there's multiple
Speaker 3: pieces out of that defense that was so highly vaulted
Speaker 3: it early in the season that it looks like a
Speaker 3: completely different unit. But Nick, whenever you look at this
Speaker 3: defense for the Buffalo Bills, they still have an opportunity,
Speaker 3: They still have talent, and they've been playing better football
Speaker 3: as of late, most notably what they did against Kansas
Speaker 3: City last week.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they got guys on all three levels. Still.
Speaker 6: We could start up front on their defensive line at
Speaker 6: Oliver Houston, product from went to the University of Houston
Speaker 6: as well. He's been he's been a guy in their
Speaker 6: defensive interior for the last I guess, gosh, it's probably
Speaker 6: been like four or five seasons now. He's gonna get
Speaker 6: after he's gonna get after the passer. He's gonna force
Speaker 6: some problems in the run game as well. And then
Speaker 6: when they have Von Miller, obviously he's really productive. But
Speaker 6: with what's going on with his legal situation, we'll kind
Speaker 6: of see as that settles out. But they got some
Speaker 6: They got some guys up front that will make things
Speaker 6: difficult for the Dallas Cowboys offensive line.
Speaker 5: In the second level.
Speaker 6: You mentioned Matt Mlano going out, and that's obviously a
Speaker 6: tough injury for them, but they've had a couple of
Speaker 6: guys step up, similar to how the Cowboys have in
Speaker 6: the lineback and corps. You can look at Tyrel Dodson,
Speaker 6: a undrafted undrafted free agent out of Texas A and
Speaker 6: M in the twenty nineteen draft class. He was really
Speaker 6: productive at A and M and it surprised me at
Speaker 6: that time when he went undrafted.
Speaker 5: But he's kind of undersized, so it makes sense.
Speaker 6: But he's he does a really good job of being
Speaker 6: able to cover the middle of the field. You know,
Speaker 6: Dallas loves to run a lot of things across the
Speaker 6: middle of the field. They're gonna have to keep an
Speaker 6: eye on dots and that's gonna be huge for Dak
Speaker 6: Prescott to be able to, you know, see across the
Speaker 6: middle and be able to factor in with that timing.
Speaker 6: And then in the secondary training for Rausseull Douglas during
Speaker 6: this season from from Green Bay, it's paid dividends for them.
Speaker 5: He's been great.
Speaker 6: He's fit in with that secondary almost seamlessly, done a
Speaker 6: great job on the boundary, just taking the best guy
Speaker 6: and being able to do what he can against him.
Speaker 6: And then Jordan Poyer while he did not practice yesterday
Speaker 6: with the next stinger, so that's definitely something to watch
Speaker 6: as the week goes on. Jordan Poyer at the safety
Speaker 6: position also really talented in their secondary. There's gonna be
Speaker 6: problems here, and especially when you factor in the weather
Speaker 6: of the fact that you know this team doesn't play
Speaker 6: up in Buffalo that often. I think this will be
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott's first time going up there. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 6: all gonna be factored in. And we had asked Jerry yesterday,
Speaker 6: It's like, what do you have to prove in Buffalo?
Speaker 6: Tomorrow's like, nothing, We just need to go up there
Speaker 6: and find a way to win. Yeah, that's it. And
Speaker 6: it's as simple as that. And I think it's very
Speaker 6: true as well. If they go up there and win
Speaker 6: three to two, that's an accomplishment.
Speaker 4: I take that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Bills ranked top six in scoring defense, takeaways, sacks,
Speaker 3: and quarterback hits in twenty twenty three, So even with
Speaker 3: those pieces unavailable, I mean, they're sixth in points per
Speaker 3: game allowed, They're tied for third in takeaways with twenty three.
Speaker 3: They have forty two sacks, which is tied for third
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and eighty seven quarterback hits, which is fourth.
Speaker 3: So it's impressive the way that they've had to fill in.
Speaker 3: The one thing that whenever I looked at this defense,
Speaker 3: and I watched a little bit of film on them yesterday,
Speaker 3: mostly that Kansas City game, they allow a lot of opportunity,
Speaker 3: especially out of the slot, which in my opinion is
Speaker 3: CD lamb.
Speaker 4: I mean, just circle CD circle.
Speaker 3: The opportunity he has, he's continued to put up massive numbers.
Speaker 3: They've allowed eight passing touchdowns in a one hundred and
Speaker 3: five passer rating versus the slot according to Next Gen
Speaker 3: Stats this year. That's the fourth most in the league
Speaker 3: in terms of passing touchdowns out of the slot and
Speaker 3: the fourth highest passer rating out of the slot this year.
Speaker 3: So whenever I'm looking at a match up here, in
Speaker 3: the way that they play, they play a lot of nickel.
Speaker 3: They don't play a whole lot of bass. If they're
Speaker 3: playing that nickel they're playing out of the slot, they're
Speaker 3: not very good there. And I think the Cowboys, especially
Speaker 3: if they don't have the safety help from Jordan Poyer
Speaker 3: over the top, that's an opportunity for a big day
Speaker 3: for eighty eight and what he can continue to build.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not only eighty eight. That's the That's the
Speaker 6: good thing about this for cdo it could be three
Speaker 6: to say that anybody in the receiving corn can play
Speaker 6: out of the slots, exeph Michael Gallup. I feel like
Speaker 6: Michael galas the only one to get really put in
Speaker 6: the slot and he can be just as effective. But
Speaker 6: you look at Brandon Cooks, you look at Cavante Turpin,
Speaker 6: you look at CD. I am obviously Jalen Tolbert even
Speaker 6: as well has had some success out of the SAT
Speaker 6: this year.
Speaker 5: All those guys could do some things.
Speaker 6: And even Jake Ferguson, he's been lining up in the slot,
Speaker 6: lining up out wide more as the season goes on.
Speaker 6: So yeah, look for all those guys to get involved
Speaker 6: in my opinion, but CD, that's definitely suspect number one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I look at this team, I look at
Speaker 7: a team that you could possibly run on. I know
Speaker 7: that the Chiefs really didn't have a big day there.
Speaker 7: This is a rushing defense. I give up one fourteen
Speaker 7: a game, one fifteen somewhere in that in that neighborhood.
Speaker 7: And one of the other reasons I'm bringing it up
Speaker 7: is just because of what I saw against the Eagles,
Speaker 7: who were a run defense that shut down the Cowboys
Speaker 7: earlier in the season, and I just saw a little
Speaker 7: bit of momentum coming from the Cowboys offense there in
Speaker 7: the run game in there, both Pollard and out all.
Speaker 7: So I'm interested to see how that carries over, especially
Speaker 7: because there is just a small part of me that
Speaker 7: is just still like I understand I can read a
Speaker 7: weather report, but there's a part of me just like
Speaker 7: there's always a chance when you get there that it's like, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's not as it's not as good at whether it
Speaker 7: be wind whatever, that maybe it might lean a little
Speaker 7: bit more to the running game. So that's the one
Speaker 7: thing I think of when I think of looking at
Speaker 7: this defense. Everything is though, and just to be completely honest,
Speaker 7: and I think I might have said it on the
Speaker 7: show earlier this week, like I picked the Bills to
Speaker 7: win the Super Bowl. I still think this is a
Speaker 7: really good team. You know, you look at seven and
Speaker 7: six next to their name, and I think a lot
Speaker 7: of people would be like, oh, this team isn't very good.
Speaker 7: But if you break down and just look at their
Speaker 7: schedule this year and what they've done, there's nobody like
Speaker 7: handily beating them.
Speaker 9: Like there's not one game.
Speaker 3: Every single one of their losses have been by a
Speaker 3: single possession, right, six points to the Jets, five points
Speaker 3: to the Jags, four points to the Patriots. That's a
Speaker 3: bad loss, but four points to the Patriots, six points
Speaker 3: to the Bengals, two points to the Broncos in a
Speaker 3: wild ending that they should have won, and then they
Speaker 3: had two many men on the field and then they had
Speaker 3: the rekick, and then the Eagles beat them by three.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: All of them have been less not even a touchdown
Speaker 3: that they haven't lost by more than six points.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I look at like some of their losses,
Speaker 7: even like the two in overtime.
Speaker 9: Look at that one against Philly.
Speaker 7: Where it took that wild kick right before he had
Speaker 7: to force even get to that point. And Josh Allen,
Speaker 7: to me, is somebody that I would be concerned for
Speaker 7: in a big game, and this will be a big
Speaker 7: game to him and the way he plays at home.
Speaker 7: So there's just parts of it where I look at this.
Speaker 7: I look at the whole thing, with the defense obviously included,
Speaker 7: and I'm just like, this is not a game that
Speaker 7: anybody can sleep on it. I thought it was interesting
Speaker 7: how Jerry said at the end of that answer when
Speaker 7: he was asked about Buffalo, how he said it's comparable
Speaker 7: to the challenge of beating the Eagles the week before.
Speaker 7: And I think that there's some people that might listen
Speaker 7: to that and go, yeah, this is just Jerry trying
Speaker 7: to play it up. Remember he said before the Eagles game,
Speaker 7: there was nervous, nervous, nervous on that Friday interview right before.
Speaker 7: So I did take a herculean effort to be able
Speaker 7: to beat them. But I agree with Jerry in there.
Speaker 7: He said, in terms of quality of the team and
Speaker 7: being on the road, about the same kind of chips
Speaker 7: are on the line in this game, And so you know.
Speaker 9: I agree.
Speaker 7: And I say the whole thing about me having them
Speaker 7: as a Super Bowl pick, because I understand some people
Speaker 7: may think, well, you're just overrating them.
Speaker 9: I think this is a very good Bills team.
Speaker 7: Seriously, Like still, I don't look at that record and go, yeah,
Speaker 7: this is just like a seven and six NFC team.
Speaker 3: You know, if anything they've played, they've played down the competition. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because they've lost to the Jets, the Patriots, the Broncos, whenever.
Speaker 3: The Broncos hadn't necessarily figured things out yet, they hadn't
Speaker 3: played well against the lower teams in the division. I
Speaker 3: mean they beat the Dolphins by twenty eight.
Speaker 4: I mean that was at home in October.
Speaker 3: They've beaten teams like the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, don't
Speaker 3: look at the record. They're five and two at home.
Speaker 3: If you want to look at a record, there's one.
Speaker 3: They're five and two at home. There's seven and six overall, all,
Speaker 3: six of those losses within six points. It's I would
Speaker 3: argue that this is a tougher matchup for the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: given the circumstances of being on the road, being in December,
Speaker 3: having you had the home field advantage, the fourteen straight
Speaker 3: home wins to rely on at AT and T Stadium
Speaker 3: against the Eagles, you don't have that anymore.
Speaker 4: You're going up to Buffalo. They are hungry for a win.
Speaker 3: They're still desperate down the stretch to try and work
Speaker 3: back in the playoff positioning. So with their final four
Speaker 3: schedule or four games on the schedule, they got the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: the Chargers, Patriots, Dolphins, so it's not easy for them either.
Speaker 4: This is this is not going to be an easy matchup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely not.
Speaker 6: And there's so many factors that play into this. And
Speaker 6: I don't want to preview our little pick them.
Speaker 5: Tomorrow, but I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't feel great about this this game from a
Speaker 6: Cowboys perspective, just and it's I don't think it would
Speaker 6: be a bad thing if they go in there and lose.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's the end of the world.
Speaker 6: But you need this win absolutely because there's a lot
Speaker 6: on the line in the division, in the conference. When
Speaker 6: it get that exactly exactly, and since you beat Philly
Speaker 6: last week, there's a door that's open, especially if Philly
Speaker 6: is able to drop a game in these last four weeks.
Speaker 5: There's a lot on the line. But man, this is good.
Speaker 6: I think this is their toughest test the rest of
Speaker 6: the way, going to Buffalo and playing.
Speaker 5: In those elements. This is the tough game that they'll
Speaker 5: see last four weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I kind of feel like it's almost like that Seattle
Speaker 7: game too, where it's like the team is better than
Speaker 7: what their record says it is, and then you play
Speaker 7: the Cowboys, you're gonna usually get that team's best shot.
Speaker 9: I anticipate that happening here.
Speaker 7: We've talked before about how good Mike McCarthy's teams have
Speaker 7: been in December. He's got two December losses since he's
Speaker 7: become the Cowboys head coach on the road. One was
Speaker 7: in his first year, the COVID year twenty twenty they
Speaker 7: lost at Baltimore, and then last year against Jacksonville. Obviously
Speaker 7: that was a game that the Cowboys probably should have won.
Speaker 7: Now they did lose it to Washington at the end
Speaker 7: of the year that was technically in January.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but they have performed well.
Speaker 7: Even even in some times when maybe you didn't think
Speaker 7: that they would win the game in December on the road,
Speaker 7: So maybe you got to factor that in a little
Speaker 7: bit too. Mike McCarthy's done a great job having this
Speaker 7: team prepared. As this season has gone along, you can see,
Speaker 7: like multiple years of covering Mike McCarthy teams, what he's
Speaker 7: trying to do that the build up to towards the
Speaker 7: end of the season be playing your best football. I
Speaker 7: expect both these teams to play well, but to me,
Speaker 7: it's almost a coin flip on who's going to end
Speaker 7: up winning this game.
Speaker 3: With all of that, all of those factors in the
Speaker 3: way that this offense has been playing the way Dak
Speaker 3: Prescott's been playing. Do you expect this to be a
Speaker 3: high scoring affair a shootout or do you expect this
Speaker 3: to be more of a defensive Juggernaud slugfest back and forth.
Speaker 7: So for a shootout, for me, I would think that
Speaker 7: both teams need to be in the thirties or above sure,
Speaker 7: and I don't see that happen.
Speaker 9: I think this is a low twenties game.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 7: I just think that the Bills are going to play
Speaker 7: a lot better than they normally do and at home,
Speaker 7: and I think that that's good. There's just a part
Speaker 7: of me with the Cowboys too. I just want to
Speaker 7: see them play in a tough road environment like that
Speaker 7: and play well like we've seen them play at home,
Speaker 7: where you can potentially blow out a team. They're not
Speaker 7: going to blow out this Bills team. But I just
Speaker 7: don't see them scoring in the thirties in this game.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that that doesn't mean they can't win
Speaker 7: if they do. I like the Cowboys chances, but I
Speaker 7: just think this is a low twenties game.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 5: That's the same point about December.
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy twelve and two in the month of December
Speaker 6: since taking over thirty three points six points per game
Speaker 6: on the.
Speaker 5: Offensive side of the ball. It's easily best month offensively.
Speaker 6: Obviously, this is his first year's play caller, but he
Speaker 6: has a lot of say in that really quick. I
Speaker 6: hope this is a game like Vikings and Bills last year,
Speaker 6: which is kind of around the same time at the
Speaker 6: time of the year. Best game of the year last
Speaker 6: year in my opinion thirty three thirty Vikings won and overtime.
Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson had that wild fourth down catch to keep
Speaker 6: them keep them in that game. So maybe maybe we
Speaker 6: have some fun up in Buffalo on Sunday, John Mishoda.
Speaker 7: That was man, that was wild thinking about that was
Speaker 7: the best game last year?
Speaker 9: The whole was it the Cousins fumble on the goal line.
Speaker 6: So it was they had gone for it on fourth
Speaker 6: and goal after they justin they didn't get it. That's
Speaker 6: the nineteen They got the crazy one handed catch to
Speaker 6: move down the field. Yeah, and then they yeah, they
Speaker 6: get stopped at the one yard line and then they
Speaker 6: Josh Allen and they just have to kneel it out
Speaker 6: or just like get a couple of yards and they're
Speaker 6: done and Josh Allen fumbles the stat Vikings laying on
Speaker 6: top of it in the end zone. Tie the game
Speaker 6: go to overtime, and then they went it in overtime. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Crazy game though, that one was.
Speaker 4: It was right.
Speaker 3: It was leading up into the Cowboys game that day.
Speaker 3: That was the game fourhand on Fox. And I remember
Speaker 3: being in the studio with Barry, Isaiah and Nate and
Speaker 3: we we usually have red zone up right before we're
Speaker 3: going live, and uh, actually I think we were in
Speaker 3: the middle of the show because it was leading up
Speaker 3: into it. But we were in the studio. We were
Speaker 3: watching the end of the game, and we were in
Speaker 3: the middle of our pregame show and we were in
Speaker 3: like a small ninety second break and that's when the
Speaker 3: fumble happened and they recovered it, and we like went
Speaker 3: nuts for a little bit, and then we had to
Speaker 3: like comb the hair back and then get ready to
Speaker 3: be like all.
Speaker 4: Right, welcome back in the pregame live.
Speaker 3: And then get get into TV Boys from there. But really,
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I was there for a game like that.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure there was a lot of reason to
Speaker 7: have an interest in that from a Cowboys perspective, because
Speaker 7: weren't the Cowboys playing.
Speaker 9: Maybe I'm wrong on this, they.
Speaker 4: Were trying to seating. Maybe I thought the.
Speaker 7: Cowboys played the Vikings the following week? Am I wrong
Speaker 7: on that?
Speaker 3: You know you're right because right, yeah, you're right, right,
Speaker 3: because the they were undefeated when the Cowboys play, or
Speaker 3: one loss, whatever, the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Thinking about it. This is exactly what I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 7: So you mentioned earlier the quarterback the documentary. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 7: watching that thing building up to them, like I can't
Speaker 7: wait to see the behind the scenes of the Cowboys
Speaker 7: game because the Cowboys just dominated them and they were
Speaker 7: such a good team, and they glossed over that. They
Speaker 7: spent a lot of time on the Bills game, and
Speaker 7: then they just kind of was like real fast as the.
Speaker 3: Whole episode on the Bills game, and then it was
Speaker 3: like the beginning of the next episode where they got
Speaker 3: back to forty to three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just remember after the Cowboys won that game
Speaker 7: the following week, there was like a lot of moving
Speaker 7: of goalposts on the whole like, well.
Speaker 9: Minnesota really isn't that good.
Speaker 7: I'm just like, they just beat the Bills in Buffalo
Speaker 7: and they had a crazy good record at that time.
Speaker 9: I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 3: It was eight and two, well after Cowboys beat because
Speaker 3: they were eight and one. Whenever they beat him, I believe,
Speaker 3: give or take a couple of wins. But yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a really really good record. Moving the goal posts
Speaker 3: against the team that the Cowboys beat.
Speaker 9: That happened.
Speaker 4: Couldn't be.
Speaker 9: That happens, could not be.
Speaker 3: All right, when we come back, I'm not moving any
Speaker 3: goal posts. I'm telling you why. If Dak Prescott keeps
Speaker 3: playing like this, he will be the MVP of the
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Speaker 3: mentioned it going into the break. If Dak Prescott continues
Speaker 3: playing like he has been, he will be the MVP
Speaker 3: of the NFL. And I know that's probably not like
Speaker 3: a crazy out there going out on a limb take,
Speaker 3: but I have some stats to back it up. So
Speaker 3: Dak is on pace to be the eleventh player to
Speaker 3: lead the NFL in passing touchdowns and touchdown to interception
Speaker 3: ratio in the same season. Out of the previous ten
Speaker 3: players that did that, nine of.
Speaker 4: Them won the MVP.
Speaker 5: Who's the one, dude?
Speaker 4: One is Tom Brady in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 9: Oh, I've heard of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was pretty good. Here are the guys twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers won the MVP twenty fifteen. Tom Brady did
Speaker 3: not win the MVP twenty fifteen. Can anybody tell me
Speaker 3: who won the MVP twenty fifteen before that, Tom Brady
Speaker 3: twenty ten, Yes, Tom Brady twenty or two thousand and seven, Yes,
Speaker 3: Cam Newton, Cam Newton won in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk about Cam Newton on these airwaves.
Speaker 4: Peyton Manning two thousand and four.
Speaker 3: Yes, he wonted, Kurt Warner ninety nine, YEP, Brett Favre
Speaker 3: ninety six, YEP, Steve Young in ninety four at ninety two, absolutely,
Speaker 3: and then John Brody in nineteen seventy, and he did
Speaker 3: win it in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 9: I just think it's gonna be hard for him if
Speaker 9: they don't win the division. I feel like that.
Speaker 3: Even if he continues to play lights out and they
Speaker 3: just barely missed the division.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just feel like it's become one of those
Speaker 7: awards that it goes to the quarterback of the top team,
Speaker 7: top ten. I think it'll come down if they don't
Speaker 7: win the division. I think comes down to Hurtzin party
Speaker 7: for MVP.
Speaker 3: If the season ended right now, would you vote and
Speaker 3: you had an MVP Dack?
Speaker 4: It would it be Dack?
Speaker 9: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I think it'd be mine.
Speaker 5: In a heartbeat, It'd be Dak for me.
Speaker 3: How much of an impact has he made on this
Speaker 3: team this year? I mean we've talked about Mike McCarthy
Speaker 3: evolving as a play caller, and certainly this is, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, the best Mike McCarthy coaching job that he's
Speaker 3: done in his four seasons in Dallas, and it's not
Speaker 3: even close. But the way that Dak has helped elevate
Speaker 3: that and helped expedite.
Speaker 4: That process, I mean, how much credit does he deserve
Speaker 4: on that one?
Speaker 6: I mean, you want to look at Dak's impact, look
Speaker 6: at when he's been playing poorly and how poorly the
Speaker 6: entire offense plays, and then you look at when he's
Speaker 6: playing well and how well the entire offense plays. So
Speaker 6: you could point on the bad side on in the
Speaker 6: San Francisco game, ten points of production, those three interceptions
Speaker 6: in the second half just they needcapped any sort of
Speaker 6: momentum in that second half and thirty two point blowout, obviously,
Speaker 6: that speaks for itself.
Speaker 5: Then you look at the good side.
Speaker 6: Of that, and he's playing on an MVP caliber level.
Speaker 6: He's only thrown two interceptions since that game. He's thrown
Speaker 6: for what twenty six touchdowns since that game, and he's
Speaker 6: got the number one scoring offense and everybody's getting involved
Speaker 6: Ceede Lambs a number two receiver in the NFL. So
Speaker 6: it's if you want to see how big his impact is,
Speaker 6: look at everybody else and what's going on with that
Speaker 6: and the way he's been playing since that loss to
Speaker 6: San Francisco, and you look at the numbers and you
Speaker 6: stacked him up with the success that Dallas has had overall. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I feel like he's MVP so far this season, and
Speaker 6: I feel like he can really punctuate that with a
Speaker 6: couple of big wins down the stretches.
Speaker 7: Well, since there's nothing there that I can disagree with,
Speaker 7: and I think you did a great job of summing
Speaker 7: up all parts of it.
Speaker 9: I just want to throw this in it real quick.
Speaker 7: So my full time job is I work at the
Speaker 7: Athletic and one of our NFL writers is Mike Sando,
Speaker 7: And before the season starts and then during the season
Speaker 7: he does a thing called QB Tiers where he reaches
Speaker 7: out to people throughout the league. And so he just
Speaker 7: released his QB Tiers today for the end season one and.
Speaker 4: DAK, so he does a preseason and right cool.
Speaker 7: And so the DAK was in the second tier, which
Speaker 7: he has been in the past. So there's there In
Speaker 7: the number one tier, there are five quarterbacks. It's Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, and Justin Herbert. In
Speaker 7: the next tier down is Jalen Hert, It's Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 7: Trevor Lawrence, then Dak Stafford Watson, Deshaun Watson, Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7: The reason I'm bringing it up because this is one
Speaker 7: of the most interesting the parts about it is that
Speaker 7: he has sources that he's not just doing this on
Speaker 7: his own. This is all from talking to people in
Speaker 7: the NFL, whether it be GM, scouts, whatever, and then
Speaker 7: he puts together the voting and this is how he
Speaker 7: comes about it, but he also gets quotes from some people.
Speaker 7: So one voter told him, I feel Dak needs to
Speaker 7: finish the season to show what he really is. When
Speaker 7: you play the Arizona Cardinals and their game plan is
Speaker 7: to make Dak beat them, and he can't beat them,
Speaker 7: you are not Tier one.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 7: Everyone has bad games, but I feel like that that
Speaker 7: is Dallas in general blowing people out getting killed by
Speaker 7: San Francisco. One other person, another voter on the thing,
Speaker 7: said they do good stuff on offense. They have enough
Speaker 7: weapons and Dak can execute. When they play the really
Speaker 7: good teams and the pressure gets on him, it can
Speaker 7: get hit or miss. I want to see Dak do
Speaker 7: it when it matters.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it's very valid too. It's valid criticism
Speaker 5: because part of that is valid. Part of it. I
Speaker 5: think it's valid as finishing.
Speaker 6: It's the one thing that has been the notch in
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott's armor so far in his career is that
Speaker 6: the fact that he can't get past the divisional round.
Speaker 6: So until he could do that, I don't think he
Speaker 6: can be in Tier one either.
Speaker 5: That's that's I think.
Speaker 4: Can you name the five quarterbacks again?
Speaker 5: One I'll say this Justin Herbert does not belong in
Speaker 5: Tier one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because Justin Herbert hasn't finished anything. Josh Allen
Speaker 3: hasn't gone to a super Bowl, so let's not crown.
Speaker 9: Him only championship the only thing I could say.
Speaker 4: He's gone to a championship game.
Speaker 7: Again, this isn't like just talking to media members. These
Speaker 7: are people in the NFL. So there's a part of
Speaker 7: me that thinks that I could see people in the
Speaker 7: NFL thinking that Herbert's in a bad situation and that he's.
Speaker 9: Better than QUARTERBA.
Speaker 7: But but I also can because also I would say
Speaker 7: if Dak was the lead in the Super Bowl the
Speaker 7: next year, when QB tiars comes out, he would be
Speaker 7: in that Tier one group. But the top one, it's
Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes one, Burrow two, got it, Josh Allen three,
Speaker 7: and then Rogers.
Speaker 3: And Herbert Rogers. I mean, that's kind of a we
Speaker 3: haven't given this. Yeah, it's just not a twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three thing.
Speaker 7: I have no issue with the top three. By the
Speaker 7: I'm fine with Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen, even as bad
Speaker 7: as Allen's been this year. If you're telling me I
Speaker 7: got to start a team right now, I got the
Speaker 7: third pick, and he's there. He's probably who I'm taking.
Speaker 4: I agree with you.
Speaker 7: In twenty seven years old, he's gonna be playing at
Speaker 7: a high level, I believe for a decade plus.
Speaker 3: I'm a Josh Allen fan. I've always liked him. I
Speaker 3: liked him coming out of the draft, I liked him
Speaker 3: in Wyoming. I've always been impressed with him. But based
Speaker 3: off of the reasoning from that one quote, specifically, when
Speaker 3: he's saying, teams game plan to stop him, and you
Speaker 3: can't beat him, and you lose to these good teams,
Speaker 3: you lose to these bad teams, and I mean, whenever
Speaker 3: you don't play well, the offense doesn't play well, that
Speaker 3: sort of thing, I think that reasoning would knock Josh
Speaker 3: Allen from that tier one as well. I mean, look
Speaker 3: at the Bills record. When Josh Allen has a giveaway
Speaker 3: when he takes care of the football in the fifteen
Speaker 3: games where he has not had a turnover, they're fifteen
Speaker 3: to zero. They have never lost whenever Josh Allen has
Speaker 3: zero giveaways.
Speaker 4: In the thirty games where he has.
Speaker 3: Only one giveaway, Josh Allen is twenty one and nine,
Speaker 3: so a much better record than you could have had.
Speaker 3: But whenever he has more than two giveaways in those
Speaker 3: seventeen games, he's eight and nine. So I mean that's
Speaker 3: a key for this Dallas defense. Forced a couple takeaways,
Speaker 3: forced a couple of gibaways, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it puts you in a tough situation.
Speaker 7: I think the thing that really helped him in the
Speaker 7: arguments is you go back two years ago in those
Speaker 7: playoffs when he got by New England, get they beat
Speaker 7: Kansas City, and it comes down to where it's like
Speaker 7: who has the ball last? And then those two games combined,
Speaker 7: I mean nine touchdown passes, no interceptions. I mean he
Speaker 7: there have been some playoff you know games where I mean,
Speaker 7: even for his totalities four and four in the playoffs,
Speaker 7: seventeen touchdown passes, only four interceptions. I mean, I just
Speaker 7: think that he's a really good player. I know this
Speaker 7: hasn't been a great season in a way, almost seems
Speaker 7: like he's having a little bit of the Dak season
Speaker 7: from last year in terms of the turnovers, you know.
Speaker 7: But man, I would love if anybody, if I was
Speaker 7: a GM right now and anybody was trying to sell
Speaker 7: Josh Allen, I would love to commit to that guy
Speaker 7: being my quarterback for the next decade plus.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if I'm building a team, I'm completely okay with
Speaker 6: that shrush out on my team. And if he can
Speaker 6: clean up the turnovers similar to how Dak has been
Speaker 6: able to do this season.
Speaker 5: Buffalo will super Bowls.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Clural, that's that's a that's a given saw stat.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find it here, the fact that Dak
Speaker 3: has cleaned it up. Though as much as he has,
Speaker 3: it's never to.
Speaker 4: Have been done in the NFL.
Speaker 3: He could be the first quarterback in the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: era to lead the NFL in passing touchdowns the year
Speaker 3: after leading the NFL in interceptions.
Speaker 5: Wow, not even James Brett bar No.
Speaker 3: The only other quarterback in NFL history to do it
Speaker 3: was in nineteen forty five Hall of Famer Bob Waterfield.
Speaker 3: You guys remember watching Bob Waterbury. Waterfield back in the day.
Speaker 3: Nineteen forty five he was with the Cleveland Rams, and
Speaker 3: then he went to nineteen forty six with the La Rams.
Speaker 5: And he didn't play for the Saint Louis Royals at
Speaker 5: any points or anything.
Speaker 4: I don't know. He's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: He's in Canton, But with no disrespect to mister water Yeah, Waterfield,
Speaker 3: I'm sure was a great player. But that's that's what
Speaker 3: the totality of what Dak is doing. He's trying to
Speaker 3: flip it. I get trying to finish a season and
Speaker 3: the pressure is on from here on out anyway, so
Speaker 3: he's going to have a chance to prove it. But
Speaker 3: you got to finish the season, you got to put
Speaker 3: yourself in position playoff wise to try and make a run.
Speaker 3: And then I get, I get pushing him to Tier one.
Speaker 3: I just didn't like the quote. I think that's the
Speaker 3: one thing is I felt like it was kind of
Speaker 3: a cop out answer from whoever that quote was from.
Speaker 3: But that's an interesting conversation for sure. And I think
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's a Tier one quarterback, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: I just think Dak is borderline Tier one. He's got
Speaker 3: a chance to prove it that he is up there
Speaker 3: right now in the way that he's been playing.
Speaker 7: The definition on Mike's list on tier two quarterbacks is
Speaker 7: a Tier two quarterback can carry his team sometimes but
Speaker 7: not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situation in
Speaker 7: doses and or possesses other dimensions that are special enough
Speaker 7: to elevate him above tier three. He has a hole
Speaker 7: or two in his game.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's not terrible because I agree with the consistency
Speaker 3: part of it. He's been consistent in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: But you got to keep that going, you can't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: of course, that's the level of consistency, or that's the
Speaker 3: definition of consistency, right of being. If I can say
Speaker 3: that word consistency, the uh, you.
Speaker 6: Know, we gotta get out of here. Health, I think
Speaker 6: is the biggest thing towards dak as well, though. Ye like,
Speaker 6: whenever he's healthy he plays at this level.
Speaker 4: That's good thing.
Speaker 5: Back to other times in the health of his offensive line.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, it's when he's been healthy and he's had
Speaker 6: healthy guys up front.
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