1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Never told you Protection of I High Radio, and welcome 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: to another sub sub sub whatever sub segment of a 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: fictional women around the world. We are doing too this 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: month because Samantha is taking the lead on a very 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: big project and everything I do as an extra slow. No, 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: it's a lot that you're you're working on and it 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: should be coming out soon. But tabs open for this 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: one episode. Wow. Yeah, it's a lot, everybody, um, and 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: that stresses me out because I don't know if I've 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: ever said this, but I don't like having too many 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: tabs open. Yeah, So every time Samantha tells me something 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: like that, it's like, I'm like fanning my face and 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: panic growing. It's only growing because it's becomes like many 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: series has something to do with this episode. It's become 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: a many series trying to get it in. But there's 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: so many questions and so many things I want to 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: talk about, y'all. But yes, and thank you for taking those. 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're like, I need to 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: do two Star Wars stuff. Yeah, I'm very very excited. 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: It actually is related to what you're working on. Okay, 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: so today we are talking about mon Mathma. But because 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: as we're recording this is it is a big it's 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: a big recording day. It's life day also, which is 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: Star Wars Holiday. I do have some updates I want 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: to put in here. Okay, some Star Wars updates because 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: mon Mathma, if you don't know, is from Star Wars, 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: which is okay, I just figured out month is that 29 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: the monotone faced woman in the original trilogies returned the Jedi. 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, all right, where she kind of talks 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: very slowly. Yes, okay, so that's her. Oh I thought 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: that when I was okay, so I'm only at the 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: beginning of this indoor So okay, all right, keep going. Wow, 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: I just got so excited. Yes, okay. Um, so here's 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: some Star Wars updates. Number one. I listened to the 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: MPR radio dramas. I've been putting this off because they're 37 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 1: fifteen hours long, um combined. They are beautiful and wonderful 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: and fun, and they answered so many questions that you've asked, Sabantha. 39 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: There's like there's a lot more grieving in the radio 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: draw Wow. I really really recommend them. I loved it. 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: I loved them. Mark Cable's in it. Uh so is 42 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: Anthony Daniels. Yeah, he's in. Mark Camil's in the first two. 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: He's not in Return of the Jedi. But they're they're 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: really fun. I liked them a lot. Um. Also, go 45 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: check out our Toxic Masculinity and Mandalorian episode that we did. 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: But a lot of you wrote in with some buff 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: about that, which I love and I suspected what happened, 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: and we are going to read some of those messages. 49 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: We have a listener mail episode coming up, so if 50 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: you have any listener mail you want us to read, 51 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: please start sending those in because we're going to record 52 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: that pretty soon. I did want to clarify a couple 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: of things. Number One, I don't think I specified this, 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: but um, the Cloges, like as in the Clone Wars, 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: are a lot of people you see in UM the show, 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: they aren't necessarily Mandalorians. Also, I for I totally forgot 57 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: about this and I can't believe I didn't put it 58 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: in here because it's like one of my favorite things 59 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: to talk about because a lot of people bring up, 60 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: you know, the parallels between Darth Vader and the Mandalorian 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: as in the Mandalorian from the show in their whole 62 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: mass thing, because Darth Vader has, you know, a mask 63 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't take off until the end when he wants 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: to Luke upon you with my own eyes, with Luke 65 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: to see his son with his own eyes. Um. And 66 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: Mandalorian has that in season two where he takes his 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: mask off for Groku. But I think there's a kind 68 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: of interesting difference here in that darth Vader was painted, 69 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Darth Vader was Jalian, and he took his mask off, 70 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: and that was as like an act of redemption to 71 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: step forward, kind of shedding that like stoicism, toxic masculinity, 72 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: villainous mask uh. And I always say, like when the 73 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: Mandalorian did it, there is a lot of religious trauma involved, um, 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: But it was supposed I felt like it was supposed 75 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: to be kind of a step forward for him as well. 76 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't come without all these other dramatic things. And 77 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: if that's his choice, and that's his you know religion, Gosh, 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: we don't have time to go into that right now. 79 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: But if it is, then that's fine. But I think 80 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: that one of the things I was trying to make 81 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: the point of is that when these men told me 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: they saw that as a bad thing. That's what I 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: found really fascinating that he took off his masks. And 84 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: then I will say also in fan fiction, the Mandalorian 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: and fan fiction is mostly written by women are marginalized people. 86 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: Right when the Mandalorian takes off his helmet. That that 87 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: is like I mean, if I had Bingo a Bingo card, 88 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: which I actually do a fan fiction and Star Wars 89 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: fan fiction that happens all the time, and it's painted 90 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: in a very positive flight. So I find that really 91 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: interesting too. And then I didn't talk about this, but 92 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: I found this essay the other day about the whole 93 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: subversive nature of the end of Return the Jedi, which 94 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: is what I keep saying, But when he throws away, 95 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 1: when Luke throws away his lightsaber, that's the powerful moment. 96 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: When he defeats Darth Vader physically in combat, that is 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: a weakness and he failed, And that's so different than 98 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: what a lot of our superhero movies are. UM And 99 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: in fact, I found a whole essay about the Winter 100 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: Soldier and how the ending of that when Captain America 101 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: refuses to fight his friend the Winter Soldier UM and 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: they tied that directly to the fact that he has 103 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: seen Star Wars, because at the beginning he has his 104 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: little lists. Yes, and it's not just me thinking this, um, 105 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: but related to this episode. And I know a lot 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: of you are listening to this and they're like, oh 107 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: my gosh, but related to this episode, that whole idea 108 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: of the Mandalorian culture of you know, you win in 109 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: the dark saber via combat and usually be killing somebody else. 110 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: Satine Creez, who we talked about, we have another fictional 111 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: Women Around the World episode on she was trying to 112 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: make a more pacifist Mandalorian culture and there you can 113 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: argue about that all you want, but kind of the 114 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: message in it because she felt she was assassinated and 115 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: then everything went to hell was disarmament equals ruined. And 116 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: that is related to mon Mathma, who we were talking 117 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: about today, and I find that very interesting. But yeah, 118 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: now I'm also going to have to talk about how 119 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: traditional gender roles manifest in pop media and fan fiction, 120 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: but that's for another day. I can't wait to read 121 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: some of these messages. I'm so excited. But all right, 122 00:06:48,080 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: those are my updates for now. Okay, okay, okay, now 123 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about modern Mathma, and there 124 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: are gonna be some spoilers for uh and or which 125 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: as we speak. The season finale is next week. UM 126 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: So I haven't seen it yet, but I have a 127 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: suspicion I know what's gonna happen with Mon Mathma at 128 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: least um. But I'm not going to talk too much 129 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: about that. I'll say I always loved Mom Mathma in 130 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: the original trilogy as a kid. She is in it. 131 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: She's the one that says many Baltan's died to get 132 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: us this information and return of the Jedi Um. A 133 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: part of it could be the fact that she was 134 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: like one of three women in the movies. She's barely 135 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: in it, but I did love her whole look. I 136 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: loved her whole vibe. She's clearly important. She's a leader, 137 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: and while she's calm and poised in the face of 138 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: possible total annihilation, she doesn't hide her emotion. It was 139 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: another instance like where leia Um, where it's clear that 140 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: Leiah and mon Mathma to man respects that they can 141 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: control room Um and mon Matha is not question for 142 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: one second because of her gender. She is briefly in 143 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: episode three Revenge of the Sith and in a very 144 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: important deleted of scenes. It's one of the deleted scenes 145 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: where I was like, I was like, you could have 146 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: cut some other things out. I think this one should 147 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: have been in there. But she was played by Genevieve O'Reilly, 148 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: who plays her in and Or In that scene that 149 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: got cut, it's just made very clear that she's a 150 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: founding member of the Rebellion and the Alliance um, which 151 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: we do see playing out in and Or Now. She 152 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: was in Rogue one as well, also played by O'Reilly. 153 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: She was featured in the animated series the animated series 154 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: of Clone Wars voiced by Kath Soucy and Rebels voiced 155 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: by O'Reilly. But um yeah. She was first introduced in 156 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: the nine three film Returned the Jedi. She was played 157 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: by Caroline Blackiston, and Blackiston put all kinds of thought 158 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: into the role, even though she often joked she was 159 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: only in the movie for twenty six and a half seconts. 160 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: But apparently they like changed the script right when she 161 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: was walking in, and she didn't really know what edny 162 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: of it meant, Like what is a bosthoon? Who knows? 163 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: So she decided to portray this character as a moon 164 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: mother because she thought mon Mothma sounded kind of like 165 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: moon mother, and there's a lot of it takes place 166 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: on the moon. But she was going for very cool 167 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: and collected because of that, and she wrote George Lucas 168 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: about playing a young mon Mathma's grandmother but never got 169 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: a response, but seems genuinely delighted at how much the 170 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: character has taken off. It's really cute to read her 171 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: kind of like, wow, people really people really liked it. Yea, Um, 172 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: but yes, I'm getting ahead of myself. Um, standard Star 173 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: Wars disclaimer. There is Cannon, which is Disney currently Disney owned. 174 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: There is Legends, also called Extended Universe, which was pre 175 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Disney no longer your cannon, but they take a lot 176 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: of stuff from that and make it Disney Cannon, which 177 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: is very confusing. Um, I'm gonna try to make it 178 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: make sense. But the Wikipedia injury on this character even 179 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: came with this warning quote Lucas Film has not established 180 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: a cohesive timeline regarding this subject. Editor discretion is advised. 181 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: You know, I know, I know, honestly, thank you. All right, 182 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: So let's start with what is currently canon but because 183 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: I did grow up with legends, we are going to 184 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: talk about that too, And there are a lot of similarities. 185 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: Mom Mothma is a human woman born on Chandrilla and 186 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: she got into politics at a young age, going on 187 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: to represent her home planet in the Galactic Senate prior 188 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: to the Old Republic's fall. Um. If you don't know 189 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: about Chandrilla, this is kind of telling you like she's 190 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: a core worlder core worlder. She probably is pretty well off, 191 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: but uh a headline when she was elected read Wizard 192 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: teen senator takes on Corressant, so she was one of 193 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: the youngest senators ever elected. She did have a hot 194 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: girl summer before that, where she reveled against her parents, 195 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: she learned how to play smash ball, she fell in love, 196 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: decided to become a his story and instead of playing 197 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: a role in her family's political dynasty. But Summer's got 198 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: it in some time. Um. And so she ended up 199 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: marrying paren Fertha at sixteen, which is pretty much kind 200 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: of a politically arranged marriage, and they moved to Corressant, 201 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: which is the big city planet if you don't know 202 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: where the Imperial Center is, and she became a senator 203 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: during the Clone Wars. She was a vocal supporter of 204 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: peace and democracy. She found like minded folks like Senator 205 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: bail Organa of all Iran, who's Leah's adopted father, and 206 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: pad Me Amidala Leia and Luke's biological mom Um, amongst others. 207 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Though at first on Mathma was not impressed with Amadala 208 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: after her vote of no confidence in Chancellor of Alorum 209 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: that put Palpatine and power because mod Mathma thought it 210 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: showed that pad May put her the needs of her 211 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: home planet above the needs of the galaxy. But Amadala, 212 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: I keep switching back. Amdala Padu say person pat May 213 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: later earned her respect, though they never really became close friends. 214 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: I think they could have, but you know, pad May 215 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: died and everything. They worked together to try to provide 216 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: diplomatic solutions to the war, believing the war was a 217 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: threat to democracy. And this is between the separatist the 218 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Clone Wars essentially, and they were fiercely opposed by militaristic 219 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: sectors and corporations. Their outspokenness against the war meant that 220 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: their initiatives often failed and um it placed them in 221 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: physical danger. One of Mathma's fellow senators and supporters was 222 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: murdered is poisoned. Um Mathma was also on the council 223 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: that determined the fate of a Soca Tana after she 224 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: was falsely accused of the murder of six Jedi, and 225 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: for more on that you can check out our Asca episode. Mathma, 226 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: Organa and Amidalla petitioned Chancellor Palpatine a k a the 227 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: Emperor a k a. The Sith Lord who manufactured and 228 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: puppeted the whole war Um to ascend these executive wartime powers, 229 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: but he instead claimed that the Jedi ward traders and 230 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: had almost all of them killed enslaved the clones Um 231 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: and he proclaimed that the Republic was now the Galactic 232 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Empire and guess what he was in charge? And now 233 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: also I have a terrifying and horrifying a forcer named 234 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: Darth Vader mysterious. Um Mathma and Organa attended Padmey's funeral 235 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: together and she was arrested alongside Organa for colluding with 236 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: the Jedi, but both were freed after publicly declaring their 237 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: loyalty to the fire Um. So when the Republic fell 238 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: and was replaced with the Galactic Empire Um, she Mon 239 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Mathma held onto her seat Um secretly working with Senator 240 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: Organa and Luthan Rail, who's an and or um, to 241 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: topple the fascist regime, planting seeds of the rebellion. She 242 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: didn't think the Empire would disband the Senate because their 243 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: abilities and powers had already been so limited, so she 244 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: was like, we're kind of a useless Why are they 245 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: going to go through the the effort of disbanding is 246 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: because they've already limited us so much. She also believed 247 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: that Palpatine had expertly maneuvered the war to lead to this, 248 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: so she was pretty sure he was in the mastermind 249 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: behind the whole thing. However, her husband was a strong 250 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: supporter of the Empire, and her daughter resented how much 251 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: she poured into her work and that she might be 252 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: married off. She's also an and or and in legends, 253 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: and I know what happens in legends, and I'm wondering 254 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: what they're going to do in and Or But we'll 255 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: see um. Mathma also served as a mentor for Leah 256 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: Leia We're gonna counseling her before she took her own 257 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: Senate seat and probably watching on and she became a 258 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: leader in the burgeoning rebellion against the Empire. She encouraged 259 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: Leiah and collecting evidence of the Emperor's misdeeds to correct 260 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: the false history he was painting after his fall, and 261 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: we we saw a lot of the like savvy maneuvering 262 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: and sacrifices Mathma had to make for the Alliance. Throughout 263 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: and Or, especially concerning securing credit flow um Mathma continued 264 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: to be a vocal detractor of the Empire as safely 265 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: as she could be uh and even the Emperor himself. 266 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: She publicly denounced him and left the Senate after the 267 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: Gorman massacre and was labeled a trade her and put 268 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: on the Empire's most wanted list. The Ghost Crew from 269 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Rebels the Show got her out of there before she 270 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: could be arrested, and she officially founded the Alliance to 271 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: restore the Republic. I don't know what's going on and or, 272 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: but whatever most of the rebel I'll find out soon. 273 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: Both of the rebels joined up, but not all, including 274 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: Sagrera and the like, who caused for a lot of 275 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: problems because basically he was seen as more militant and extreme. 276 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: I would argue he is more militant and extreme, and 277 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: she was very pragmatic about timing and resources. Uh we 278 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: see this depicted de nand Or two with her cousin 279 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: VL Hope. That was a spoiler. Oh well, whoops. She 280 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: was involved in the leadership position of several Alliance operations 281 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: depicted in Rebels in the year zero b B y Are. 282 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: Before the Battle of Yavn, which is a New Hope 283 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: test star, she called for the recruitment of jin or 284 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: So and this is where the events of Rogue one 285 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: play out, where a lot of folks died to get 286 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: the Desk Star plans to the Alliance. When Aldran was destroyed, 287 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: she became the last remaining original leader of the Alliance 288 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: and even wrote a surrender speech to the Emperor before 289 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: she learned the Rebels survived on the Aven and destroyed 290 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: the Desk Star. Though she had contingency plans to ensure 291 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: the Alliance is survival, but she was like, if this 292 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: doesn't go our way, then I'm gonna have to surrender. 293 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: She made several difficult decisions like that during her time, 294 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: including not devoting resources to rescue Luke Skywalker after he 295 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: was captured on his mission by Grakis thought Um. She 296 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: encourages Leia to pursue love. She proves of her vision 297 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: to save Han Solo, and also confides intelligence that the 298 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Emperor has a second death Star and intends to destroy 299 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: any planet that houses rebellion, including Mathma's home planet of Chandrilla. 300 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: And she expressed concern that that Leah was putting herself 301 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: at too great risk by volunteering for that last mission, 302 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: but Lea was like, Nope, you gotta do it. She 303 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: helped lead the Alliance during the Galactic Civil War, including 304 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: when she pops up during Return of the Jedi. When 305 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: the Empire was defeated, mon Mathma became the new Republic's 306 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: first Chancellor. She oversaw the passing of the Military Disarmament 307 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: Act and the stripping of the Chancellor's emergency wartime powers, 308 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: things that later helped the First Order rise. So that's 309 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: what I met at the top. When people sometimes blame 310 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: her for the First Order's rise because she was taking 311 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: away the weapons, but also like, oh gosh, I don't 312 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: have time to get into a political argument right now. 313 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: When mon Mavma left office, factions were engaged in fierce 314 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: debate about the government's future, and during her tenure, she 315 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: still had these difficult decisions and compromises to make, including 316 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: ones she would have protested as a senator. That's sort 317 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: of her her war inner war during this time, her 318 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: inner conflict Um. She and Leia for you can disagreed, 319 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: and Mathma always was pushing for pragmatism Um. Lots of 320 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: political machinations, spying, making of deals happened. She supported La publicly. 321 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: When her parentage was revealed the first order, it was like, oh, 322 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: guess what her dad is? Darth Vader and Mon Mathma 323 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: supported her. Mon. Mathma listened to her constituents and constantly 324 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: worried about becoming the next Palpatine Um. All right, so 325 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: that's sort of where we are with Cannon. I want 326 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: to very briefly go over legends. Okay, so it's pretty similar. 327 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: In legends. She was a bit more open in her 328 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: defiance of the Empire during her time in the Senate. 329 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: In it, she did too to Leia. She had to 330 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: flee from the Empire after the Empire grew tired of 331 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: her opposition. She was betrayed and arrested by Darth Vader, 332 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: but later escaped and continue to lead the Alliance UM. 333 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: She helped her nephew become an imperial spy, which was 334 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: really intense storyline. When the Organas were killed, Mathma was 335 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: accused of trying to usurp power in the Alliance and 336 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: became and become the next Palpatine. That she proved her 337 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: dedication to democracy. She led that Return of the Jedi 338 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: meeting even after learning about the death of her son 339 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: just before. After the Battle of Indoor, she became the 340 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: Chief of State of the New Republic, a position she 341 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: held for eleven years, and she led the new government 342 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: through multiple military threats. She officiated land Hans's wedding um, 343 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: and she was succeeded by Leah Organa, and she died 344 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: peacefully in her sleep, even though she had been poisoned. 345 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: It was like this poison they couldn't get rid of, 346 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: so she had kind of this long fight with illness, 347 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: but she died peacefully. She did serve again temporarily when 348 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: Leiah had to go off and rescue her brother, and 349 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: apparently Uh sent Luke on a mission to find Lando 350 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: a wife. I don't remember that, but I believe it happened. 351 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: She was a guest of honor at Luca Maura Jade's 352 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: wedding um, and an important New Republic ship was named 353 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: after her, so she did a lot. She is very important. 354 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: She was pivotal to this whole thing. And O'Reilly, the 355 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: actress who's playing her, said of the character, you don't 356 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: have to look too far, no matter which profession you 357 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: work in, to see women who are trying to affect 358 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: change from within. I looked at different female leaders around 359 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: the world, and sadly we don't really have enough of them. Still. 360 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: Often they are lonely voices or voices that others are 361 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: trying to silence. I see a correlation with those voices 362 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: and with moms, and with Mom's voice for me. I 363 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: didn't have to look too far to see the women 364 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: that I believe can be reflected in Mom's fight. I 365 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: recognized her, I recognized her fights. I want to stand 366 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: up for her as a character because I think we 367 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: can all recognize her. No. Yeah, so her husband is 368 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: a bad guy. I'm not quite there. I just got 369 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: introduced to him. Oh well he's yeah, he's not great. 370 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: I'll take that. Yes, sorry for any accidental spoilers in there. 371 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: Um and again, I appreciate you, Sabantha for just letting 372 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: me go like plows. I'm doown like that. I was like, oh, 373 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: that's her, was the Yes, it is funny, and she 374 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: had like twenty six seconds in that movie and we 375 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: were all like, what about her though? I want to 376 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: know all about her. She's very regal. She is quite regal. 377 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: She's quite regal, and I love her fashion in the show. Um, 378 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: whoever is doing the war dribbing is top notch gorgeous. 379 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: So she actually portrayed, to say, the actress that plays 380 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: on Mathma and or portrayed it in the secondary movies. 381 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what they are? Where do they not? 382 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: The originals? And the she in the prequel trilogy? Yeah? Um, 383 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: the prequels. She was in Revenge IF and she was 384 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: in Rebels as a voice and broke one. Yeah. So okay, 385 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: did they do that the digital imaging on her in 386 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: the requels because it looks a lot like her I mean, okay, 387 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: no know, a lot like the original. I'm sorry, Oh maybe, uh, 388 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: because she's like I think in Revenge of the Cyst 389 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: she's in the background. You barely see her one as well? Right, Yes, 390 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: so is that where they did a digital face on her? 391 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. It looked like it because it looked 392 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: like we were all. I feel like we talked about 393 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: that anyway. I hate that movie Rogue one too sad 394 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: for something but well and was kind of tough too. 395 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: I gotta say, oh no, no, it's not it's okay, 396 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: it's okay anyway, coming whatever, whatever, We'll come back and 397 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: convene on this. 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