Speaker 1: What's that at the spooky and Kuki, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it's dead. He's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, said hi Ros dress flens E.
Speaker 1: Please hey boo. Welcome to Ghosted by Ras Dressfuls, the
Speaker 1: only paranormal ghost story podcast hosted by a drag queen,
Speaker 1: real stories, fake lady. Now, this week I am joined
Speaker 1: by the fabulous Deborah Wilson, who you might remember from
Speaker 1: Mad TV. She's also going to talk to us about
Speaker 1: how she did demon voices in the recent movie The Nun.
Speaker 1: But before we get to her, I want to keep
Speaker 1: in that theme of spooky Hollywood with this week's tale,
Speaker 1: which is not so much a ghost story but a
Speaker 1: story about a curse in spooky Nonetheless. Now, this story
Speaker 1: has been told several times in books and on television shows,
Speaker 1: so I apologize if you've heard it before, but I'm
Speaker 1: always shocked to hear that actually a lot of people
Speaker 1: have never even heard of it. It is the curse
Speaker 1: of a tuck. And now I'm not talking about the
Speaker 1: haunted ass tuck between my legs. And yes, I am
Speaker 1: in full drag right now and I always will be
Speaker 1: for every episode of this show that I record. Shut up,
Speaker 1: they can't see me, okay, So a tuck or a tuk?
Speaker 1: At tuck, I've heard a lot of different pronunciations at uk.
Speaker 1: It's a real movie script that has been bopping around
Speaker 1: Hollywood for decades now at this point, and according to
Speaker 1: Hollywood lore, every famous actor that has been considered for
Speaker 1: the role died shortly after. So here's the story. In
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, screenwriter Todd Carroll was commissioned by Canadian
Speaker 1: film director Norman Jewison to write a film adaptation of
Speaker 1: a book that he had just finished reading called The
Speaker 1: Incomparable Attock. I think I'm saying it wrong. At a tuck,
Speaker 1: I think is how you say it. The original book
Speaker 1: was by Mordecai Richler. Now, the story of Attuck, it
Speaker 1: sounds like the perfect nineteen seventies nineteen eighties fish out
Speaker 1: o Water comedy. It's an Inuit hunter that is transplanted,
Speaker 1: planted to the big city. I believe it was New
Speaker 1: York City in the movie adaptation, and you know, hilarity ensues. Now. Honestly,
Speaker 1: from what I read online, it sounds like a really
Speaker 1: cute story and it's a shame that it was actually
Speaker 1: never made. But by nineteen seventy nine, Carol had done
Speaker 1: a few rewrites to the script and it was pitched
Speaker 1: to his personal friend John Belushi. Now, actually John Belushi
Speaker 1: is who he had in mind from the start when
Speaker 1: he was first asked to adapt the book into a screenplay,
Speaker 1: and by nineteen eighty one, John Belushi was on board.
Speaker 1: But of course, in March of nineteen eighty two, at
Speaker 1: age thirty three, he was found dead of a drug
Speaker 1: overdose at the Chateau Marmont and a bungalow that some
Speaker 1: say still have his spirit checked in at So with
Speaker 1: Belushi's passing, the script was shelved for a few years.
Speaker 1: But ooh, baby girl, that script. It was just so
Speaker 1: right that in nineteen eighty seven United Artists purchased it
Speaker 1: and offered it to one of the hottest stand up
Speaker 1: comedians in the game, Sam Kennison. So the next year
Speaker 1: they actually began production on the film, but there were
Speaker 1: issues with Kennison because he was drinking a lot and
Speaker 1: he was arguing a lot on set with crew members,
Speaker 1: and so they actually scrapped the production after filming just
Speaker 1: one scene, just one day of production. So maybe somewhere
Speaker 1: there actually is footage of them shooting a scene from
Speaker 1: this famous movie that was never made. In nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old Kinnison, of course, was killed
Speaker 1: as a result of a head on collision on Interstate
Speaker 1: ninety five towards Laughlin, Nevada. But damn it, it took
Speaker 1: was just so stinking good that in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: John Candy heard about it and accepted the role. Shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four, Candy died in his hotel room
Speaker 1: while shooting another film, a different film that he was
Speaker 1: shooting in Durango, Mexico. He was only forty three years old.
Speaker 1: So cut to nineteen ninety six, United Artists was looking
Speaker 1: for a new lead actor. This seriously, this movie must
Speaker 1: have been so good they didn't even think like once
Speaker 1: you think at this point like, okay, there's some bad
Speaker 1: juju going on with the script. But they were looking
Speaker 1: for another actor. And who do you think that they
Speaker 1: asked nineteen ninety six, funny guy, You guessed it, Chris Farley,
Speaker 1: And in nineteen ninety seven, at the age of thirty three,
Speaker 1: Farley died of a heart attack while consuming massive amounts
Speaker 1: of drugs. Now legend has it that Farley had actually
Speaker 1: given the script to his friend, hoping that his friend
Speaker 1: would be interested in playing the villain character. That friend,
Speaker 1: Phil Hartman. In nineteen ninety eight, Hartman was tragically killed
Speaker 1: by his wife just before she turned the gun on herself.
Speaker 1: So what do you think coincidence or are there some
Speaker 1: other evil, dark sided, other worldly forces behind the script?
Speaker 1: There are lots of theories about what is going on there.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think that since there were actually
Speaker 1: rewrites that were done. Actually, one of the actors that
Speaker 1: I just mentioned had the entire script completely rewritten on
Speaker 1: the day of shooting. That was Sam Kinnison, And so
Speaker 1: they think that there were different rewrites that had happened,
Speaker 1: and every time that the actor wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: it was rewritten, certain parts were rewritten. That's when problems
Speaker 1: started happening. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's very scary.
Speaker 1: And from what I've heard, it is now tucked away
Speaker 1: in the archives of United Artists and probably will never
Speaker 1: see the light of day. Hopefully not. But you know,
Speaker 1: I suggest maybe they should make it a drag queen version.
Speaker 1: I know so many drag queens that should read this book,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't even have to change the name. You
Speaker 1: could still call it a tuck. All right, on with
Speaker 1: the show. We are so lucky to have Debra Oilsin
Speaker 1: in the studio today. You know, she doesn't do that
Speaker 1: many interviews, so I feel so honored to have her.
Speaker 1: I recently met her working on this movie. It was
Speaker 1: so much fun. We really bonded, and it turns out
Speaker 1: she's like a paranormal expert. It almost seems I mean,
Speaker 1: she's done so much ghost hunting. But we also you know,
Speaker 1: you know her, you love her from Mad TV. She
Speaker 1: used to play this character Benifa Latifa Halifa Sharifa Jackson,
Speaker 1: or maybe you know her from her Whitney Houston impersonation
Speaker 1: or Oprah just iconic, iconic. I mean, I worship her,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't like that. I say that, but you'll
Speaker 1: have to see for yourself. So we're gonna head it
Speaker 1: on over to one of my favorites, Deborah Wilson. I
Speaker 1: am joined by the Goddess herself, Deborah Wilson.
Speaker 2: Hi, beautiful, I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You know I worship you.
Speaker 2: Do not worship me? Do not? You do not?
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I don't worship you.
Speaker 2: But like you can appreciate me, you inspired by me,
Speaker 2: but do not.
Speaker 1: Okay, I won't worship you, but you are just so
Speaker 1: talented and I just have admired your work for so long.
Speaker 2: Ill sweet of you to see yourself and me.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so, it's a very weird thing, because I
Speaker 1: don't think I told you this. So we just worked
Speaker 1: on a movie together, yes, which was such a wonderful
Speaker 1: experience and I cannot wait for it to come out.
Speaker 1: But the day before I went into went onto set
Speaker 1: to meet with the directors about, you know, the shoot,
Speaker 1: the upcoming shoot, I had just this weird instinct to
Speaker 1: go on a Deborah Wilson googling and youtubing and I
Speaker 1: was watching old sketches that I admired as a kid
Speaker 1: and just like laughing my ass off. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: And then I went in the next day and they said,
Speaker 1: guess who we just got Deborah Wilson, And I said,
Speaker 1: how what?
Speaker 2: Then it's not weird. Then, what it is is it's
Speaker 2: psychic energy. And a lot of times we project things
Speaker 2: that are going to happen. We project things that we want,
Speaker 2: project things that we're going to happen, and that works
Speaker 2: from the conscious mind into the subconscious, and subconscious back
Speaker 2: into the conscious. I mean it to me, it's extremely normal.
Speaker 2: It's a par for the course of the universe.
Speaker 1: But then what happened the other day, Deborah, I'm driving around.
Speaker 1: I turn because I'm trying to figure out where I'm going,
Speaker 1: and who do I see on the street walking Deborah Wilson.
Speaker 2: On my block.
Speaker 1: I believe it, and.
Speaker 2: So I did believe it because that happens to me.
Speaker 2: That's one of those phenomenons that happened to me on
Speaker 2: a semi regular basis. When I meet someone within two weeks,
Speaker 2: I usually see them again in a space in which
Speaker 2: they did not expect to see me, in a space
Speaker 2: I did not expect to see them. So for me,
Speaker 2: it was a very very normal and natural thing. It
Speaker 2: was that. And the other phenomenon is people have a
Speaker 2: tendency to go You remind me so much of you
Speaker 2: look just like, oh my god, I thought you were
Speaker 2: all the time. Because we're constantly, constantly sharing energy. And
Speaker 2: once we move and elevate our thought process, which is
Speaker 2: a three dimensional thing, into a higher process and resonate
Speaker 2: a higher spiritual idea and ideal, then we realize that
Speaker 2: what we're experiencing is not weird, is not kookie, is
Speaker 2: not strange, and is not paranormal. That we realize that
Speaker 2: as spirit beings in a physical vessel, that it's par
Speaker 2: for the course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I've had so many of these experiences
Speaker 1: over the years, but it's still to me, is never
Speaker 1: not like this is crazy phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a blessing, what a gift. I think it's
Speaker 2: for me, it's very very humbling and supports and continues
Speaker 2: to validate my faith and belief.
Speaker 1: Now, did you was there a point in your life
Speaker 1: when you realized what you now realize about what this
Speaker 1: is or was it you know? Did you always just
Speaker 1: kind of think?
Speaker 2: I think we always know, but what we do as
Speaker 2: we suppress it. Because once we come in the physical world,
Speaker 2: we're dealing with and negotiating the three dimensions as well
Speaker 2: as developing ourselves as well as the things that will
Speaker 2: define us or the things we allow ourselves to be
Speaker 2: defined by. And I think as we're negotiating and bartering
Speaker 2: with those things in the social world, we tamp all
Speaker 2: those things down and we begin to call them things
Speaker 2: like a gut instinct, you know, women's intuition. We don't
Speaker 2: give ourselves the full credit. We make it such a
Speaker 2: generalized thing that it's no big deal. So when it
Speaker 2: comes up, it seems like it's more phenomenal than what
Speaker 2: it really is. And so I've transmuted the idea of
Speaker 2: it being phenomenal into a humbling experience and into a
Speaker 2: validating experience that I'm more than physical.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: So you've had many paranormal experiences, from my understanding.
Speaker 2: Quite a few. I won't say many. I mean I
Speaker 2: think there are many. People have had a lot more
Speaker 2: than me because they do investigations more often. But I've
Speaker 2: had my fair share of par paranormal experiences, both professionally
Speaker 2: as well as personally.
Speaker 1: Have you had where you filmed Mad TV? Was that
Speaker 1: Hollywood Centers Studios? I've heard that that place is haunted.
Speaker 2: It is when in the early days of Mad TV,
Speaker 2: there were a number of experiences and occurrences that happened
Speaker 2: that went over people's heads because they were too busy working.
Speaker 2: You know, And you've got a huge cast, you've got
Speaker 2: a huge criminal and a lot like that. You've also
Speaker 2: got other shows. And so I asked the lot manager
Speaker 2: at at the time. His name was Pat Davis. I
Speaker 2: asked Pat about that because I was interested in the
Speaker 2: paranormal and I knew that that had a great history,
Speaker 2: and he began to tell me some of the history,
Speaker 2: but not all of it. And there was an attic
Speaker 2: area where they had made offices, and I went up
Speaker 2: and I went in one room and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm feeling very uncomfortable. Don't know why, but I know
Speaker 2: that I'm feeling uncomfortable. I'm feeling edgy, I'm feeling nervous.
Speaker 2: So what I'm going to do is I'm going to
Speaker 2: say that this is me. I'm just feeling that. Man,
Speaker 2: I need to wonder if I'm hungry, go through all
Speaker 2: the physical ideas of what might be happening, the emotional
Speaker 2: ideas of what's going on in my own head. I
Speaker 2: left the room and visited the other offices, and there
Speaker 2: were only two or three of them up in that space,
Speaker 2: and I went in one and had a conversation, had
Speaker 2: a conversation with someone and I felt fine. I went
Speaker 2: into another room which was empty, and I felt fine,
Speaker 2: went back in that one, and again there was a
Speaker 2: sense of nervousness and anxiousness and anxiety, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: then let me figure out again what's going on with
Speaker 2: me emotionally and on every level physically. Have I eaten?
Speaker 2: Went back into the empty room. I was fine, went
Speaker 2: back into the room, continued a conversation with someone, got
Speaker 2: up and went back in a third time, and the
Speaker 2: anxiety level rose, in which it became overwhelming. And when
Speaker 2: it became overwhelming the energy of that space, I began
Speaker 2: to discern and disseminate what happened. I left myself open
Speaker 2: and vulnerable to whatever energy was in that space. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily a ghost, It wasn't necessarily a spiritual
Speaker 2: presence or an entity. What it was was an energy
Speaker 2: that was left in that space. And the energy was
Speaker 2: definitely female energy, and a brutalized energy, like a woman
Speaker 2: was beaten, was heavily duty beaten in that room, mercilessly
Speaker 2: beaten and abused. That was by the third time, it
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, this is definitely a brutalized energy, a rape,
Speaker 2: and definitely brutalization, a beating. And I went back to
Speaker 2: Pat Davis, the lot manager, and I asked him about
Speaker 2: the history of the stages there because they had been
Speaker 2: I think Warner Brothers stages originally. Don't quote me on that,
Speaker 2: but they had been studio stages in which, back in
Speaker 2: the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, people were under contract
Speaker 2: to a studio. So you were under contract to do
Speaker 2: a number of films. And there was a secret underground
Speaker 2: passage to avoid the paparazzi and void the lookie loose
Speaker 2: and the autograph seekers when you came in, and underneath
Speaker 2: there was a bowling alley that had been closed down
Speaker 2: and you can get into the studio. There were also places,
Speaker 2: you know why, because they wanted people to stay on
Speaker 2: the lot if you're working, and not leave the lot.
Speaker 2: And so there were a lot of what we would
Speaker 2: now call amenities, but some of those amenities were dark,
Speaker 2: meaning what they hired prostitutes. Oh sure, yeah, girls who
Speaker 2: came men who wanted to be stars and starlets, and
Speaker 2: they would succumb to sleeping with executives and succumb to
Speaker 2: sleeping with the stars of the day. And Pat told
Speaker 2: me that that upper area was where there were spaces
Speaker 2: that were used in clandestine arrangements for the girls and
Speaker 2: the men that they were there to service. And hopefully
Speaker 2: move from that into a star position, a starlet position.
Speaker 2: A lot, give me lines and so, but they were
Speaker 2: I found out brutalized, at least one of them was. Definitely,
Speaker 2: and she did not die in that area, but her energy,
Speaker 2: in her presence, she left an electro magnetic spectrum of
Speaker 2: energy in that space, a pocket of energy, and a
Speaker 2: lot of times an electromagnetic energy. When it either goes
Speaker 2: through a trauma, it will imprint it in that area,
Speaker 2: same thing as a static electricity. Or if you're thinking
Speaker 2: of the old fashioned cassette tapes, they have a magnetism
Speaker 2: to them and electrons on that tape. So when you
Speaker 2: record something, the reason you can play it back is
Speaker 2: because the magnetic energy of your voice and your vocal
Speaker 2: patterns go on to that tape. Did you figure it's
Speaker 2: just tape? How can my voice go on there? But
Speaker 2: the electromagnetic spectrum they combine to a certain extent, I
Speaker 2: know the full science of sound design. But definitely it
Speaker 2: imprints itself so that you can play it over and
Speaker 2: over again, which is like a residual haunting.
Speaker 1: Wow. See, it's interesting that you bring that up because
Speaker 1: most people associate it only with death. But it can still.
Speaker 2: Happen with just absolutely, with just energy.
Speaker 1: Do you think with good energy as well as something
Speaker 1: exciting happens, it can be imprinted.
Speaker 2: I think that's possible in the paranormal world. It's less
Speaker 2: it happens less often than the darker stuff because it's
Speaker 2: such high energy, it's such powerful energy, it's such a
Speaker 2: resounding energy. When when there's a brutalization or there's a
Speaker 2: murder and that energy is left there, it tends to
Speaker 2: leave it there in the electromagnetic spectrum range more often
Speaker 2: than the good stuff, because the good stuff has good
Speaker 2: stuff happening in other places. But when something is very traumatic,
Speaker 2: it can be left there and it doesn't matter whether
Speaker 2: a person has transitioned in that situation or left the situation.
Speaker 2: It can leave an imprint. It can leave an imprint.
Speaker 1: Because so you've also ghost hunted, right, Yes, where have
Speaker 1: you done that at?
Speaker 2: I did it in Texas and I've done it here
Speaker 2: in California. One of it was a broadcast show for
Speaker 2: MTV called Celebrity Paranormal Project, which was supposed to be
Speaker 2: a one off. It was supposed to be a special
Speaker 2: and a Halloween special so to speak. And what we
Speaker 2: experienced as novices at the time, even regardless of all
Speaker 2: the information I knew and what I had done as
Speaker 2: a novice, with other people who were coming in and
Speaker 2: had never done it before, or who were just doing
Speaker 2: it because it was going to be a fun thing,
Speaker 2: or they were going to make some money and they
Speaker 2: were getting their name out there again, whatever their reasons
Speaker 2: for doing it, it was traumatic for a lot of us.
Speaker 2: It was traumatic for a lot of us, and I
Speaker 2: think the producers were ill prepared to experience that, and
Speaker 2: so the way they had built the show was to
Speaker 2: be as scary as possible, to be as you know,
Speaker 2: on the edge of your seat as possible, and so
Speaker 2: they built that up psychologically, and I think that was
Speaker 2: also par for the course of what happened with a
Speaker 2: lot of people who said I can't go through with this.
Speaker 2: They would start and then go. Their minds would take
Speaker 2: them to places, so they didn't necessarily experience anything paranormal,
Speaker 2: I believe, but what they did is their minds began
Speaker 2: to experience. And one of the celebrities that I was
Speaker 2: paired with was Evander Holyfield, who was a Christian and
Speaker 2: who didn't really believe in the paranormal or the afterlife.
Speaker 2: In that regard, I think he believed in the afterlife
Speaker 2: as far as religion was concerned and Christianity was concerned,
Speaker 2: but as far as ghosts and hauntings, I think he
Speaker 2: was skeptical. And because he was skeptical, he didn't accept,
Speaker 2: and because he didn't accept, things that happened around him,
Speaker 2: he didn't miss, but it didn't frighten him, Okay, So
Speaker 2: he was more open to it as opposed to people
Speaker 2: who believe it. So that if the wind blows, they go,
Speaker 2: that's a ghost. If it gets a cold, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a cold spot. And so they don't look for
Speaker 2: anything logical because nine times out of almost say nine
Speaker 2: times out of ten, but I would say seven times
Speaker 2: out of ten, there's a logical explanation. There's a scientific
Speaker 2: explanation as well.
Speaker 1: So you don't believe that they doctored anything, that the
Speaker 1: producers were, you know, trying to spook your.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that they doctored anything. I believe that
Speaker 2: that's pop that they could have. But from what I experienced,
Speaker 2: and with having Evander Holyfield as a witness who didn't
Speaker 2: believe in the paranormal, but had no explanation for that.
Speaker 2: I would say that, at least in my experience, I
Speaker 2: believe that it was not doctored in the experiences that
Speaker 2: I had, I can only speak for me, so, but.
Speaker 1: You were telling me about this experience, and you're not
Speaker 1: really sure of where you guys were right right.
Speaker 2: What they did was, of course, when they started the
Speaker 2: project itself, meaning the beginning of the show, the way
Speaker 2: it was edited, we all met in a particular location
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, and they set it up as a
Speaker 2: green room or a greeting area, and we were going
Speaker 2: to be that late at night, driven somewhere else. So
Speaker 2: they left the greeting area open for various celebrities to
Speaker 2: come in and say hello and sit on the couch
Speaker 2: and discuss their lives and discuss why they're here, and
Speaker 2: discuss whether they believe in the paranormal or not. And
Speaker 2: of course they had cameras around shooting it in various
Speaker 2: locations there. Then eventually they had someone come in to say,
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I'm a paranormal investigator, here's the equipment,
Speaker 2: let me show you how to use it, and let
Speaker 2: me tell you about this space. And then they showed
Speaker 2: a video of what this space is about. Here's what
Speaker 2: happened in the space. I believe that some of that
Speaker 2: was made up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched it, and I'm like, Okay, that's kind
Speaker 1: of fun for TV stuff.
Speaker 2: But I believe that some of that was made up.
Speaker 2: I believe, in fact, I almost believe that a great
Speaker 2: deal of it was made up in order to get
Speaker 2: people nervous, anxiety driven, because they expected people to be
Speaker 2: psychologically moved by this, to which they would feel like
Speaker 2: there is something there which only legitimizes the experience for
Speaker 2: people who were watching who don't know better, you know,
Speaker 2: because I don't think that we're expecting people who really
Speaker 2: love the paranormal to watch. I think they were watching
Speaker 2: getting people who wanted to see what these celebrities would
Speaker 2: do and the pairings and what they're feelings and reactions
Speaker 2: would be, and how creepy it might be. I think
Speaker 2: there were less people who are truly involved in the
Speaker 2: paranormal world as investigations, and more people who were like,
Speaker 2: I watch horror movies and I love them, and I
Speaker 2: like scary thrillers and psychological thrillers and it's Halloween time, right.
Speaker 2: I think that was their their biggest audience. But the
Speaker 2: one thing I think that really annoyed me is that
Speaker 2: they ended up doing more shows because they said, with
Speaker 2: the footage we have, this is going to be the
Speaker 2: pace resistance so ps de resistance of our show. So
Speaker 2: let's make do more episodes. If it can go this well,
Speaker 2: let's do more episodes and we'll put them together as
Speaker 2: a limited series.
Speaker 1: That's what I did.
Speaker 2: I think they did like three or four more episodes
Speaker 2: and then saved our original episode for last and they
Speaker 2: advertised it as in and you'll also see an actual
Speaker 2: ghost possession. And that really upset me because I did
Speaker 2: not experience a ghost possession. And they never asked to
Speaker 2: ask my experience about what happened, because if I had
Speaker 2: given them the real experience, they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: say that. But that sounds more sensational than than, you know,
Speaker 2: an impathic energy. No one wants to No one wants
Speaker 2: to hear empathic energy.
Speaker 1: What was the real experience?
Speaker 2: At one point of vander Holyfield and I were going
Speaker 2: into an area and we it was constant knocking and
Speaker 2: constant banging, constant knocking and constant banging, and I thought
Speaker 2: it was really cool and the place was mostly metal,
Speaker 2: the walls were metal. Everything was metal, and supposedly, given
Speaker 2: the dossier, because we're all given at Dosier when we travel,
Speaker 2: the dossier that we received was that it was a
Speaker 2: place of torture, satanic torture. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's true, but I did. I'd not experience anything in
Speaker 2: that area other than the knocking and the banging, and
Speaker 2: I would follow the knocking in the banging, so it
Speaker 2: was really interesting. It would happen intermittently, and I wasn't
Speaker 2: nervous and I wasn't afraid. I just thought it was
Speaker 2: really cool that there was something that had a presence
Speaker 2: that could could manifest in a poltergeist way, in a
Speaker 2: knocking in a banging way, and I thought, really that's cool.
Speaker 2: Leaving the area with Evander Holyfield, we just were having
Speaker 2: a conversation in general about his spirituality and his belief
Speaker 2: systems and sharing a little bit about the paranormal world
Speaker 2: with him to open him up a little if possible,
Speaker 2: and we went on other investigations throughout the night, and
Speaker 2: at one point they had me go on an investigation
Speaker 2: on my own. And then after that, which is that
Speaker 2: one was the creepiest one and I'll tell you about
Speaker 2: that in a minute. But after coming back from that one,
Speaker 2: at the end of it, just to wrap up what
Speaker 2: you had asked the end of it, and holy Field
Speaker 2: got to the point where he was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: this is getting ridiculous, and especially with my belief system
Speaker 2: as a Christian and I personally believe that there are
Speaker 2: no such things as ghosts. That was a general idea,
Speaker 2: and that if there were, that if they asked Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ for love and forgiveness, they can move on. That
Speaker 2: it's all about the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: If they accept Jesus Christ, if there is any energy
Speaker 2: out there that does that, if you accept Jesus Christ
Speaker 2: as your Lord and Savior, then you're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: And he made it seem like it was black and white,
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, okay. One part of me thought
Speaker 2: that that was okay. The other aspect of my brain said, no,
Speaker 2: that you don't understand that. You don't understand. You don't
Speaker 2: understand when someone is brutalized the energy that they leave.
Speaker 2: You don't understand when they feel like there they can't
Speaker 2: move on because of the things that they've done, and
Speaker 2: this energy of regret, of sorrow and regret came over me,
Speaker 2: and I realized that this is not mine. And as
Speaker 2: the group was talking, I felt like I was I
Speaker 2: needed to isolate myself. I don't know why, I just
Speaker 2: know that empathically, I felt like I was going to
Speaker 2: isolate myself, and I did, and I went in a corner.
Speaker 2: And because I allowed myself to be empathic, it continued
Speaker 2: to grow more and more. And the more I accepted
Speaker 2: that empathic energy, the more I realized that I became
Speaker 2: angry and I became upset and I was sad, and
Speaker 2: I felt rejected. I felt dejected, I felt hopeless, I
Speaker 2: felt helpless, and I felt as if this presence that
Speaker 2: was empathically with me was saying that it's not that easy.
Speaker 2: And it felt like a female energy again, and that
Speaker 2: she had given up a belief system to become either
Speaker 2: a pay or a devil worshiper or a you know,
Speaker 2: a Satanic worshiper, and she couldn't get out of it.
Speaker 2: She wanted to and couldn't get out of it, but
Speaker 2: believed that she would never she would never make it
Speaker 2: to heaven. She would never make it to an afterlife
Speaker 2: for what she did and who she was, and she
Speaker 2: felt tortured about that emotionally and psychologically, and it just
Speaker 2: began to become overwhelming. Emotionally, it became overwhelming, and then
Speaker 2: people looked at me and they realized that I had
Speaker 2: isolated myself, and I began crying, and they said, what's wrong?
Speaker 2: And you know what Evander Holyfield said kind of sparked
Speaker 2: it off, and she felt incensed and angry and upset.
Speaker 2: And not only was incensed and angry and upset, but
Speaker 2: upset that we were there. Then we were there invading
Speaker 2: a space that we had no business being in, and
Speaker 2: then to judge that energy there with what he said religiously,
Speaker 2: and she let me have it because she knew that
Speaker 2: I would open up to that, and I did. And
Speaker 2: that's the first time I realized that I don't have
Speaker 2: control over that empathic thing that happens with all of us.
Speaker 2: I had no control. I wasn't professional, I wasn't grounded,
Speaker 2: I didn't grind I didn't ground myself. I didn't do
Speaker 2: anything to ground myself spiritually, and I left myself open.
Speaker 2: And it was overwhelming and to the point where I'm
Speaker 2: like Okay, I'm starting to have difficulty breathing. You've got
Speaker 2: to get out. You've got to leave. Your message was delivered.
Speaker 2: Please leave, Leave, Leave, leave. This energy has to leave me.
Speaker 2: It has to leave me. And I was walking around
Speaker 2: and I was like, you got to get out, you
Speaker 2: got to get out. You've got to leave. You've got
Speaker 2: to leave. The message was received, the message was received.
Speaker 2: You use my body, you use my mind. I stayed
Speaker 2: open to you empathically. You've got to get out. And
Speaker 2: of course they had cameras everywhere, because there was no
Speaker 2: professionals on the lot, no producers, no writers, no directors.
Speaker 2: They were looking at a room remote location, using cameras
Speaker 2: and moving cameras around that were that were throughout the location,
Speaker 2: so they were not there. And everyone else didn't know
Speaker 2: what to do with me. They didn't know how to
Speaker 2: respond and how to react. It was nerve wracking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone said, okay, we're done, this is over with. We're
Speaker 2: supposed to have more hours to do the show, because
Speaker 2: it was supposed to go from like three am to
Speaker 2: like six am, and people refused. They said, we're not
Speaker 2: going out on any more assignments. We're not doing anything. Nope, Nope.
Speaker 2: After seeing this, Nope, absolutely not. And that's when the
Speaker 2: producers came down. In fact, they gave us before we
Speaker 2: the prerequisite for going there. They gave us our own
Speaker 2: snake bite kids. Really, yeah, they because there were there
Speaker 2: were no there was no medical professionals on site.
Speaker 1: There was nowhere outside desert.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think it was off the I realized
Speaker 2: now it was somewhere off the one A team it
Speaker 2: was one of those canyon exits off the one eighteen.
Speaker 2: But we were in blackened out vans, so the windows
Speaker 2: were blackened out, and then of course cameras were on
Speaker 2: us while we were.
Speaker 1: In the van. See that. I'm also very open to
Speaker 1: spirits because of experiences that I've had. I've never had
Speaker 1: an energy you know, kind of the experience that you had,
Speaker 1: But I believe that spirits can seek out people or
Speaker 1: they maybe they'll see a group of people and they go, oh,
Speaker 1: that one will get me, that one could understand me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, absolutely, and I've.
Speaker 1: Had That's why I've had so many experiences as my belief.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I absolutely, And it's interesting because you can't prove anything. However,
Speaker 2: it's very very powerful when people have similar experiences.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the best when you can validate absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2: So for me that is my personal truth and I've
Speaker 2: experienced it and had people validate that personal truth through
Speaker 2: their own experiences like now where they do seek you
Speaker 2: out you are, you are a light and they can
Speaker 2: see your energy differently the same way like Curelean photography.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Curlelyan photography. No, curly In photography
Speaker 2: is the type of photography that can create auras. They
Speaker 2: can do it with plants, they can do it with
Speaker 2: human beings. Sometimes you can go to psychic fairs and
Speaker 2: paranormal fairs and festivals and they'll have you sit and
Speaker 2: they'll take a picture and there'll be a light spectrum,
Speaker 2: different color, light spectrum around you. And the idea is
Speaker 2: that with Curelean photography it can show the different auras
Speaker 2: around you and what they represent. And I believe the
Speaker 2: same way that you can see an X ray into
Speaker 2: bones and you can everything else disappears, but the bone
Speaker 2: density that you can see and anything that seems to
Speaker 2: be solid that you can see. I believe that it
Speaker 2: is the same way with the spiritual presence that they
Speaker 2: see something beyond the physical body that they can see
Speaker 2: a color spectrum. They can see an aura, things that
Speaker 2: move beyond the three dimensional realm into a higher realm
Speaker 2: of spiritual awareness, but still has a physical presence, and
Speaker 2: that they see that spectrum, and then they can pull
Speaker 2: out that spectrum, go we look at that. Yes, I
Speaker 2: can see his spectrum because they can't really, they don't
Speaker 2: have no eyes. But there is this heightened sense of awareness, absolutely,
Speaker 2: and a heightened sense of memory, especially for those that
Speaker 2: are intelligence and intelligent haunting, which is different from a
Speaker 2: residual haunting. Very both are very different.
Speaker 1: You you really know this stuff.
Speaker 2: Huh, I'm very interested. So you know, I used to
Speaker 2: watch a lot and I used to meet quite a
Speaker 2: few people and have discussions. And one of the shows
Speaker 2: that I used to watch on Fox at the time
Speaker 2: was called Sightings and there was a paranormal investigator on
Speaker 2: it named Peter James, and he was world renowned as
Speaker 2: a paranormal investigator, but he was also psychic. He was
Speaker 2: clairvoyant and claire audio so he can hear and see.
Speaker 2: And I did an investigation with him which for a
Speaker 2: British television show on the Queen Mary. Oh really yeah,
Speaker 2: And he and I became very close, very very very
Speaker 2: close friends. I went to his apartment the first time
Speaker 2: and we sat and we talked, and someone knocked on
Speaker 2: his door and he continued to have the conversation with me.
Speaker 2: That kept knocking, and I said, Peter, someone's at your door.
Speaker 2: He said, no, there isn't and he kept having a
Speaker 2: conversation and it was very very clear, and it was
Speaker 2: methodical knocking, like a knock, knock, knock, sure, pause, knock, knock, knock, pause,
Speaker 2: And I said, Peter, there's obviously someone at your door.
Speaker 2: He goes shook his head, Nope. And after the third knock,
Speaker 2: I went to the door and right before they knocked again,
Speaker 2: I heard one knock and it was going to go
Speaker 2: into the knock knock, knock, but it went knocked and
Speaker 2: I opened the door and there was no one there. Ah,
Speaker 2: there was no one there.
Speaker 1: So what was his explanation?
Speaker 2: A neighbor downstairs who had passed away? Because they knew
Speaker 2: he was psychic and they knew he was they knew
Speaker 2: he was Claire audio and clairvoyant. He's done a number
Speaker 2: of huge, huge investigations that are that are very well
Speaker 2: known in the paranormal community. He was an icon. He
Speaker 2: was a legend. He was very well known in the
Speaker 2: paranormal community. If you mentioned the name of Peter James
Speaker 2: and he passed away. He passed away a number of
Speaker 2: years ago, and we held a huge memorial on the
Speaker 2: Queen Mary because he had done an investigation on the
Speaker 2: Queen Mary and he discovered more entities and more energies
Speaker 2: than any other paranormal investigation. He was able to allow
Speaker 2: them to use his body and go into possession and
Speaker 2: give their information and give their information, and the investigation
Speaker 2: that we had was absolutely phenomenal because wherever he went
Speaker 2: there was an occurrence. We heard a disembodied forty five
Speaker 2: minute conversation through the metal and the hull of the
Speaker 2: ship because we went below sea dip level. We were
Speaker 2: given permission around one or two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 2: to go below sea level at the hull of the ship,
Speaker 2: and we heard a forty five minute disembodied conversation that
Speaker 2: floated from area to area. It would start here, it
Speaker 2: was almost way you would have stereo, and it would
Speaker 2: start there, and then it would go over there, and
Speaker 2: it would go over there, almost like stereophonic. And people
Speaker 2: left and I stayed to hear it. This was incredible.
Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing, because it was in the metal.
Speaker 2: Because you know, metal is a great conductor of electromagnetic spectrum,
Speaker 2: but so is salt water, so is water, and so
Speaker 2: given the combination of the two and the history of
Speaker 2: the ship, the Queen Mary was also a warship, and
Speaker 2: most people who don't know the history of the Queen
Speaker 2: Mary don't realize that it was also a warship. And
Speaker 2: so it was you can hear the vocal patterns, but
Speaker 2: you couldn't make it out. It was if someone was
Speaker 2: giving direction or someone was giving order, and you could
Speaker 2: hear enunciation, but you couldn't make the words out. And
Speaker 2: it was a deeper, deeper toned voice, like a man's voice.
Speaker 2: So you can hear the nunciation of vowels, but you
Speaker 2: could not hear the exact and it was ongoing. It
Speaker 2: never stopped. So it felt like they were giving orders,
Speaker 2: but they weren't listening to it. They were just giving orders.
Speaker 2: There was a little girl who drowned in the third
Speaker 2: class swimming pool. Yes, I've heard that story, and I
Speaker 2: heard her say goodbye.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they had they had prepped by going the
Speaker 2: producer had prepped by going earlier, and he showed us
Speaker 2: video on his phone of saying can you say goodbye?
Speaker 2: You wait nothing? Okay, then we're leaving and as they're
Speaker 2: walking out.
Speaker 3: Yeah bye bye.
Speaker 2: Eh yeah yeah okay.
Speaker 1: Well I want to make sure we have we get
Speaker 1: everything in amount of time we have. Are there are
Speaker 1: there other story? I mean, I feel like you have
Speaker 1: so many stories. Are there any that you wanted to share?
Speaker 1: Any others?
Speaker 2: Texas went to do a paranormal investigation. There used to
Speaker 2: be a show on the Sci Fi Channel and I
Speaker 2: think it went to either Discovery channel after that and
Speaker 2: then left the air. And it was called Ghost Lab
Speaker 2: and it was by two brothers who knew everything about science,
Speaker 2: and so they wanted to discover and implement how we
Speaker 2: can prove that there is a paranormal experience through science
Speaker 2: as opposed to a psychic experience. And the show was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: It did well and I was a huge fan. I
Speaker 2: was hooked from day one because they were mixing the
Speaker 2: science of it.
Speaker 1: Which gives it validity to a lot of people. A
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to hear anything about psychic beliefs.
Speaker 2: So if you and I don't know if you can
Speaker 2: find it, but try going to YouTube and put in
Speaker 2: ghost lab ghost ghost Lab, and it was absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 2: The shows were brilliant and none of them were faked.
Speaker 2: And after meeting these brothers and having a conversation with
Speaker 2: them and being with them in Texas and then flying
Speaker 2: me down to do it, none of it was faked.
Speaker 2: And the reason I believe that none of it was
Speaker 2: faked was because of the experience we began to have
Speaker 2: when they picked me up from the airport. The first
Speaker 2: thing we did is we went to a restaurant and said,
Speaker 2: let's eat, and we want to let you know that
Speaker 2: this will be an investigation tonight. But there are things
Speaker 2: that happened during the day in this particular dining hall,
Speaker 2: and because it is Texas and not Los Angeles, it
Speaker 2: was empty during the day because most people are working.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And it was empty during the afternoon. And
Speaker 2: I looked at the menu, and being a vegan, it
Speaker 2: was difficult to eat in Texas. But I looked at
Speaker 2: the menu and as I'm looking at the menu, I'm
Speaker 2: just perusing it, going there's nothing here I can eat,
Speaker 2: So I'm not really reading the entire menu, because everything
Speaker 2: I see anyway, it is meat or fried meat or
Speaker 2: fried or fried meat, or fried pickles or fried.
Speaker 1: This, chicken, fried steak.
Speaker 2: Chicken, fried state, everything that was like fried, fried, fried, fried.
Speaker 2: So I put the menu down and my silver war
Speaker 2: was crossed. And so I looked at one of the
Speaker 2: brothers and I went, my silverware just got crossed, and
Speaker 2: he said, yes, that's a common occurrence.
Speaker 1: And why I was what part of Texas I.
Speaker 2: Watch a hatchie. I forgot. I'd have to really look
Speaker 2: that up. But it's a very well known restaurant that
Speaker 2: used to be a ranch house. It was a home. Okay,
Speaker 2: it was a home and it was a ranch house,
Speaker 2: but they turned it into Eventually the property was sold.
Speaker 2: I think the owners eventually passed away and they sold
Speaker 2: the But waxahachi, I think it's waxahachi with a wax waxahachie.
Speaker 2: And so I looked down and it was crossed. And
Speaker 2: he had been holding his menu the whole time, and
Speaker 2: then he put his down and his was crossed. So
Speaker 2: what happened within seconds? Nobody saw it, nobody felt it,
Speaker 2: nobody heard it. It's a phenomena I've never experienced before.
Speaker 2: I've heard of it, I've seen shows with it, but
Speaker 2: it's a phoma phenomena I've never experienced, and I experienced it.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because the waitress came over, the server
Speaker 2: came over, and then she backed away, and I wondered,
Speaker 2: what's going on? She goes, could you tell them to go?
Speaker 2: Because they're following her, they don't know her, and they're
Speaker 2: interested in her energy because I was you, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and she's like, it's a little too claustrophobic for me.
Speaker 2: Over here. I can feel them over my shoulder looking
Speaker 2: at her. Could you ask them to leave? Because the
Speaker 2: Brothers had done investigations there before, and matt Night was
Speaker 2: interesting because as we were leading people through the investigation,
Speaker 2: when one person left the silverware in their pocket, was
Speaker 2: that was put there by who knows what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You seem very calmed. I mean, do you get
Speaker 1: does this stuff scare you?
Speaker 2: It doesn't scare me. But what happens is I go
Speaker 2: back to the physical space that I'm in, and when
Speaker 2: my heart starts to pound, I pay attention to the physical,
Speaker 2: so I don't pay attention to the paranormal. I pay
Speaker 2: attention to the physical, and I go, Okay, my heart
Speaker 2: is beating fast. Is it because I'm nervous? Is it
Speaker 2: because I received the information so psychologically I'm doing this
Speaker 2: to mylf Or is it because there's an energy and
Speaker 2: my heart and my body is automatically responding. So I
Speaker 2: start going through the logic of that experience, and that
Speaker 2: keeps me calm. Okay, that keeps me very calm, because
Speaker 2: I am open. On the Queen Mary, there was a
Speaker 2: young boy who was not American who died on it
Speaker 2: when the Queen Mary was a warship, and what I
Speaker 2: felt my body doing was having my head crushed, but
Speaker 2: I felt my body lifting up and then tilting to
Speaker 2: the side to lie down, lifting up and tilting to
Speaker 2: the side. And it turns out that the hull of
Speaker 2: the ship was used for dead bodies because it was
Speaker 2: the coolest storage space you can get. But this kid
Speaker 2: hadn't died yet. He was unconscious, and they thought he
Speaker 2: was dead because he had he couldn't feel his pulse,
Speaker 2: but he was still alive and all he wanted. It
Speaker 2: really upset me, and I can see an image of
Speaker 2: him too. He was blonde, he was blue eyed, he
Speaker 2: was an American. I don't know if he was German.
Speaker 2: I don't know where he was from. But all he
Speaker 2: wanted was his mother. Thing he wanted before he passed
Speaker 2: was he wanted. He wanted to be with his mother.
Speaker 2: He wanted to see his mother one more time. But
Speaker 2: I could feel my body lift and then tilt to
Speaker 2: the side, lift and then tilt to the side, and
Speaker 2: my head was crushed because they put the bodies head
Speaker 2: to feet, head to feet, but stack them yeah each other,
Speaker 2: stack them on top of each other. So that was
Speaker 2: another feeling that I had, and the feelings that I
Speaker 2: do get. I'm always with a paranormal investigator who has
Speaker 2: psychic ability to validate my experience and say, no, that's
Speaker 2: not the case or that's possible.
Speaker 1: So how do you handle the dark energy?
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never experienced dark energy? Oh, Mama, don't
Speaker 2: play that. Yeah, mama. If someone says this place is
Speaker 2: because like I said, we did that at this area
Speaker 2: off the one eighteen and supposedly it was haunted by
Speaker 2: Satanists who once were there, and so I never really
Speaker 2: absorbed that as in the Devil's gonna get me or
Speaker 2: Satan's gonna pop up or there's gonna be there's going
Speaker 2: to be something that happens, like something flown against the room,
Speaker 2: or I'm gonna fall or I'm gonna get killed. I
Speaker 2: never experienced that. I did experience a disembodied voice right
Speaker 2: in front of me, though, and it was mumbling and hissing.
Speaker 2: So I did hear that. And it's interesting because the
Speaker 2: room went very, very still, and the temperature rose. Usually
Speaker 2: with a malevolent energy your presence, the temperature will rise,
Speaker 2: not drop, as in a cold spot.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 2: And I heard hissing in a corner. And what I
Speaker 2: did is I sayed still. Because one of my greatest
Speaker 2: anxieties and fears, you know, psychologically, is running and being chased.
Speaker 2: So I don't run from anything because my greatest fear
Speaker 2: is being chased. I don't like the idea of something
Speaker 2: that can catch up to you and chase you and
Speaker 2: grab you and knock you down and pull you down
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And every time I've seen a
Speaker 2: horror movie with someone runs and they fall and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden their legs get dragged back and there, so.
Speaker 1: That that way on stairs, the idea of someone chasing
Speaker 1: me upstairs.
Speaker 2: I get it. The physical work you have to do
Speaker 2: to get away from somebody, and the physical idea of
Speaker 2: tumbling down the stairs and breaking your neck. So I
Speaker 2: don't move. I don't move, so I'll listen and my
Speaker 2: heart will beat practically out of my chest, but I
Speaker 2: will stay still. I will stay still, and then I
Speaker 2: will get up and I'll walk slowly, and each step
Speaker 2: it's like nothing touched me, nothing's happening, nothing's happening, nothing's happening.
Speaker 2: But it's one step at a time because the anxiety
Speaker 2: is at its highest peak at that point. Just walking
Speaker 2: and not walking backwards, but walking forward, my anxieties at
Speaker 2: its highest peak. So it's I took a step, nothing happened.
Speaker 2: I took a step, nothing happened. I get out of
Speaker 2: the shack, and I heard voices on the outside of
Speaker 2: the shack talking too, And I had a walkie and
Speaker 2: asked who was out there, and they said, no, we're
Speaker 2: all back here. And interesting, it didn't sound like it
Speaker 2: would have been the type of sound where you would
Speaker 2: put you would put a microphone in a tree because
Speaker 2: the sound moved across. Oh yeah, you know, because a
Speaker 2: lot of times you're like, okay, well, if they scare
Speaker 2: you if if the producers really want to do that,
Speaker 2: they can put microphones in trees. But the sound moved
Speaker 2: in front of me because I was in a shack.
Speaker 2: The sound moved in front of me and then across
Speaker 2: as if someone were walking and talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't fire. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the hissing in the corner that was there
Speaker 2: was there, that was real.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of scary demon voices, you also did some
Speaker 1: scary demon voices in the nine.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I did the demonic voice. I did
Speaker 2: all the demonic voice along with an amazing and phenomenal
Speaker 2: I'm so inspired by him. He's he's you have no idea.
Speaker 2: I'm inspired by him. He's one of the reasons I
Speaker 2: do demon voices. And he's one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm perfecting my craft voiceover wise to do
Speaker 2: animal sounds and demon voices and creatures, and I do
Speaker 2: a lot of creature voices. I'd do a lot of
Speaker 2: creature voices, and he he is my go to when
Speaker 2: it comes to that, and I got a chance to
Speaker 2: meet him. His name is d Bradley bakerd Ee D
Speaker 2: Bradley Baker. And when you look them up and when
Speaker 2: you look at his site and when you look at
Speaker 2: all the information on YouTube, what he does that comes
Speaker 2: out of his mouth is otherworldly, other worldly. So I
Speaker 2: did the higher end demonic stuff. He did the lower end,
Speaker 2: and together they were sound mixed, so anytime anyone was possessed,
Speaker 2: we were the voice in the film. Cool. It was cool.
Speaker 2: It was a cool experience.
Speaker 1: I think about you hear someone talks about a ghost.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm here in Hollywood in this ghost. Just
Speaker 1: I heard, like, you know, a growl, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what if it was a voiceover artist ghost that was
Speaker 1: just making different noises? Maybe imagine a Deborah Wilson ghost.
Speaker 1: The things that you could do to fuck with someone.
Speaker 2: Oh, without a body, the sky's the limit. Oh sorry, no,
Speaker 2: eternity's the limit.
Speaker 1: EVP are ev plicse Okay, So we do a little
Speaker 1: game here called evp's or ev please.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna listen to some EVP as electronic voice phenomenon,
Speaker 1: or as I like to call it, the ASMR of
Speaker 1: the afterlife, and we're gonna hear some voices that are recorded. Now.
Speaker 1: These are both from the Los Angeles Zoo, the Old
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Zoo. Have you ever been there in.
Speaker 2: Griffith Park, Yes, I have.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of energy going on, a lot of energy.
Speaker 1: I mean lots of stories of animal energy. I mean
Speaker 1: apparently there were lots of animals that were neglected or
Speaker 1: possibly beaten.
Speaker 2: And not only that, but did you know it burned down?
Speaker 2: And when it burned down, that's why there are so
Speaker 2: many parents. A lot of people don't see them, but
Speaker 2: there are many areas in which they do see them
Speaker 2: parrots because they propagated the species they once they escaped.
Speaker 2: Once parrots were able to escape or could escape Los
Speaker 2: Angeles as temperate as it was is for the most part,
Speaker 2: and in the upper desert areas, they can propagate the species.
Speaker 2: And so there are still a lot of parrots that
Speaker 2: are in the trees all over Los Angeles, all over
Speaker 2: La La County.
Speaker 1: Didn't even know.
Speaker 2: That because they were able to escape and propagate.
Speaker 1: But like Griffith Park area, there are like centuries old
Speaker 1: stories of curs. They say it's cursed up there. There
Speaker 1: have been so many bodies, body parts, just a couple
Speaker 1: I think it was like twenty twelve or so, there
Speaker 1: was a head that was found in that area, So
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on up in the Griffith Park area,
Speaker 1: and this is more specifically from the zoo. I found
Speaker 1: these clips from some a group called Crisp Paranormal and
Speaker 1: here's the first one. We're just gonna listen to it
Speaker 1: real quick, and I want you to tell me what
Speaker 1: you here. It's really quick. But again that first of all,
Speaker 1: that's a creepy voice. Do you think that that person
Speaker 1: that's if that was a human being, do you think
Speaker 1: that that's what their voice sounded like when they were
Speaker 1: on the Earth.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: So what happens.
Speaker 2: I think there's a It has to go through an
Speaker 2: energy spectrum because again a lot of people don't hear it.
Speaker 2: It's interesting how with an electronic voice phenomena, you usually
Speaker 2: don't catch it the first time, but you catch it
Speaker 2: on that because it's an electromagnetic spectrum. So it's a
Speaker 2: there's a science to it because there are voices that
Speaker 2: we don't hear, but they get captured when they ask questions.
Speaker 2: And why we can't hear it is because I think
Speaker 2: the science of of of I think the science as
Speaker 2: well as the paranormal aspect is it's interdimensional. It's interdimensional
Speaker 2: and so it can be made in the physical world,
Speaker 2: but you need to capture it on a physical You
Speaker 2: need to have something in the physical world to harness it.
Speaker 2: So I don't think we can hear it, but I
Speaker 2: think once it is because I think it's interdimensional, so
Speaker 2: they may not have been fully present, but they can
Speaker 2: see everything in this dimension and scientifically it can be captured,
Speaker 2: but you need a vessel to capture it. Well, you can,
Speaker 2: sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. But see, that's that's
Speaker 2: why it's a practice. That's why there is no expert
Speaker 2: in the field. There's only people who have done repetitive
Speaker 2: investigation and then found a generalized idea of what happens
Speaker 2: on a semi or regular basis. Because there's no real
Speaker 2: you can't get a degree in it. You can't say
Speaker 2: that you know. It's not like being a doctor. It's
Speaker 2: just a matter of encountering it over and over again.
Speaker 2: And I think because it is a universal and larger
Speaker 2: spectrum of idea and ideals, they're a phenomena that we
Speaker 2: haven't discovered yet. The same way there are aspects of
Speaker 2: the universe that still go on that we haven't discovered yet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a black hole or the ocean exactly.
Speaker 1: But see, that's what makes it even care for me
Speaker 1: is that it's almost at times like there are no
Speaker 1: rules of the afterlife and paranormal. I mean, it is
Speaker 1: more time, okay, one more time, Okay, I'll give you
Speaker 1: some options. Did they say you down with OLPP? Did
Speaker 1: they say b yeah, you know me? Did they say
Speaker 1: see guilty or d kill me?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say kill me because they're already dead. And
Speaker 2: if it's an intelligent haunting, it knows he or she
Speaker 2: or it energy wise knows that it's no longer the
Speaker 2: here as they moved through the dimensions.
Speaker 1: But that's what these people actually think it said is
Speaker 1: kill me, kill me, let me hear it again. But
Speaker 1: maybe not. I mean these are all just you know,
Speaker 1: you guess kill me. Maybe it said something else, Maybe
Speaker 1: it didn't say anything at all.
Speaker 2: But because of the kale me, it's not it's like
Speaker 2: two syllables and chail me.
Speaker 1: Maybe they wanted kale, they wanted to they wanted they
Speaker 1: were trying to eat clean.
Speaker 2: And it might have been Yeah, I think that's what
Speaker 2: it is. Kale me, kill me, give me, give me
Speaker 2: some kale.
Speaker 1: Come on, give me some cash.
Speaker 2: Kill me.
Speaker 1: Who is that Valick from the Nuns wanting call?
Speaker 2: If you want some valet, I can give you.
Speaker 1: Some valet, give me, give me Valeck going to veggie grill.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I know what I want. Feed me.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 2: Then frieda me and m we This said the king.
Speaker 1: Okay, coming right up.
Speaker 2: To go, made to go, make it to go.
Speaker 3: To go back.
Speaker 2: No strage during the sort the environment.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was val vallic from the Nun
Speaker 1: Star of the Nun and Veggie Grill. Okay, here's one
Speaker 1: more and then we'll get you out of here. This
Speaker 1: is also at the La le Go. Oh hey, you
Speaker 1: don't have to go. I want you with me at
Speaker 1: all times. Okay, yeah, that was This is also La Zoo.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say.
Speaker 3: Okay, my it was it A to the Mexican grill,
Speaker 3: B do the nasty bump, C to the next chamber.
Speaker 1: Or D I am a ghost. I'm a Herdoric idea
Speaker 1: at the zoo.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the zoo. I am a ghost.
Speaker 1: The elephants are right up here.
Speaker 2: It sounds like I would say C to the next chamber. No,
Speaker 2: it says do, it says do the.
Speaker 1: It's do the nasty bump, I think. But they said
Speaker 1: c to the next chamber. Do the next chamber. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that means, but that's what they suspect.
Speaker 2: Okay, see it says do. It sounds like it says
Speaker 2: do as opposed to two. Yeah, there's a different to.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, Oh my god, you just fucked
Speaker 1: my life up. Now would you like a dessert? Malick?
Speaker 1: We have a couple of options. We do have a
Speaker 1: vegan strawberry shortcake and we also have coconut ice cream. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: we also have some silverware if you would like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have paper straws if you would like.
Speaker 3: For you, I know what I want for dessert?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yes, what would you like?
Speaker 2: You're so covered in we claim?
Speaker 1: Oh well, lucky for you, that is also vegan.
Speaker 2: Marl, take that go please.
Speaker 1: I can get my soul with the cow the go.
Speaker 3: Don't worry. IL come for it tonight while you sleep.
Speaker 1: I can't with you. Well, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: doing this. I am so grateful doing.
Speaker 2: Experience. Do I need a key or is it free?
Speaker 1: We do have a code. It is six six four
Speaker 1: six six six six four six six sick