1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: What's that at the spooky and Kuki, I'm pretty sure 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: it's dead. He's coming this way. 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, said hi Ros dress flens E. 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Please hey boo. Welcome to Ghosted by Ras Dressfuls, the 5 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: only paranormal ghost story podcast hosted by a drag queen, 6 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: real stories, fake lady. Now, this week I am joined 7 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: by the fabulous Deborah Wilson, who you might remember from 8 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Mad TV. She's also going to talk to us about 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: how she did demon voices in the recent movie The Nun. 10 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: But before we get to her, I want to keep 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: in that theme of spooky Hollywood with this week's tale, 12 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: which is not so much a ghost story but a 13 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: story about a curse in spooky Nonetheless. Now, this story 14 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: has been told several times in books and on television shows, 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: so I apologize if you've heard it before, but I'm 16 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: always shocked to hear that actually a lot of people 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: have never even heard of it. It is the curse 18 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: of a tuck. And now I'm not talking about the 19 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: haunted ass tuck between my legs. And yes, I am 20 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: in full drag right now and I always will be 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: for every episode of this show that I record. Shut up, 22 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: they can't see me, okay, So a tuck or a tuk? 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: At tuck, I've heard a lot of different pronunciations at uk. 24 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: It's a real movie script that has been bopping around 25 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: Hollywood for decades now at this point, and according to 26 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: Hollywood lore, every famous actor that has been considered for 27 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: the role died shortly after. So here's the story. In 28 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, screenwriter Todd Carroll was commissioned by Canadian 29 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: film director Norman Jewison to write a film adaptation of 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: a book that he had just finished reading called The 31 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Incomparable Attock. I think I'm saying it wrong. At a tuck, 32 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: I think is how you say it. The original book 33 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: was by Mordecai Richler. Now, the story of Attuck, it 34 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: sounds like the perfect nineteen seventies nineteen eighties fish out 35 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: o Water comedy. It's an Inuit hunter that is transplanted, 36 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: planted to the big city. I believe it was New 37 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: York City in the movie adaptation, and you know, hilarity ensues. Now. Honestly, 38 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: from what I read online, it sounds like a really 39 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: cute story and it's a shame that it was actually 40 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: never made. But by nineteen seventy nine, Carol had done 41 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: a few rewrites to the script and it was pitched 42 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: to his personal friend John Belushi. Now, actually John Belushi 43 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: is who he had in mind from the start when 44 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: he was first asked to adapt the book into a screenplay, 45 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: and by nineteen eighty one, John Belushi was on board. 46 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: But of course, in March of nineteen eighty two, at 47 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: age thirty three, he was found dead of a drug 48 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: overdose at the Chateau Marmont and a bungalow that some 49 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: say still have his spirit checked in at So with 50 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: Belushi's passing, the script was shelved for a few years. 51 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: But ooh, baby girl, that script. It was just so 52 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: right that in nineteen eighty seven United Artists purchased it 53 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: and offered it to one of the hottest stand up 54 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: comedians in the game, Sam Kennison. So the next year 55 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: they actually began production on the film, but there were 56 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: issues with Kennison because he was drinking a lot and 57 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: he was arguing a lot on set with crew members, 58 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: and so they actually scrapped the production after filming just 59 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: one scene, just one day of production. So maybe somewhere 60 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: there actually is footage of them shooting a scene from 61 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: this famous movie that was never made. In nineteen ninety two, 62 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old Kinnison, of course, was killed 63 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: as a result of a head on collision on Interstate 64 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: ninety five towards Laughlin, Nevada. But damn it, it took 65 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: was just so stinking good that in nineteen ninety three, 66 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: John Candy heard about it and accepted the role. Shortly thereafter, 67 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four, Candy died in his hotel room 68 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: while shooting another film, a different film that he was 69 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: shooting in Durango, Mexico. He was only forty three years old. 70 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: So cut to nineteen ninety six, United Artists was looking 71 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: for a new lead actor. This seriously, this movie must 72 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: have been so good they didn't even think like once 73 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: you think at this point like, okay, there's some bad 74 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: juju going on with the script. But they were looking 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: for another actor. And who do you think that they 76 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: asked nineteen ninety six, funny guy, You guessed it, Chris Farley, 77 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: And in nineteen ninety seven, at the age of thirty three, 78 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: Farley died of a heart attack while consuming massive amounts 79 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: of drugs. Now legend has it that Farley had actually 80 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: given the script to his friend, hoping that his friend 81 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: would be interested in playing the villain character. That friend, 82 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: Phil Hartman. In nineteen ninety eight, Hartman was tragically killed 83 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: by his wife just before she turned the gun on herself. 84 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: So what do you think coincidence or are there some 85 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: other evil, dark sided, other worldly forces behind the script? 86 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: There are lots of theories about what is going on there. 87 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: A lot of people think that since there were actually 88 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: rewrites that were done. Actually, one of the actors that 89 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: I just mentioned had the entire script completely rewritten on 90 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: the day of shooting. That was Sam Kinnison, And so 91 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: they think that there were different rewrites that had happened, 92 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: and every time that the actor wanted to make sure 93 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: it was rewritten, certain parts were rewritten. That's when problems 94 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: started happening. But I don't know. 95 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: It's very scary. 96 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: And from what I've heard, it is now tucked away 97 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: in the archives of United Artists and probably will never 98 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: see the light of day. Hopefully not. But you know, 99 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: I suggest maybe they should make it a drag queen version. 100 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: I know so many drag queens that should read this book, 101 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: and you wouldn't even have to change the name. You 102 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: could still call it a tuck. All right, on with 103 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: the show. We are so lucky to have Debra Oilsin 104 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: in the studio today. You know, she doesn't do that 105 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: many interviews, so I feel so honored to have her. 106 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: I recently met her working on this movie. It was 107 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: so much fun. We really bonded, and it turns out 108 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: she's like a paranormal expert. It almost seems I mean, 109 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: she's done so much ghost hunting. But we also you know, 110 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: you know her, you love her from Mad TV. She 111 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: used to play this character Benifa Latifa Halifa Sharifa Jackson, 112 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: or maybe you know her from her Whitney Houston impersonation 113 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: or Oprah just iconic, iconic. I mean, I worship her, 114 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: but she doesn't like that. I say that, but you'll 115 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: have to see for yourself. So we're gonna head it 116 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: on over to one of my favorites, Deborah Wilson. I 117 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: am joined by the Goddess herself, Deborah Wilson. 118 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: Hi, beautiful, I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you. 119 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: You know I worship you. 120 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: Do not worship me? Do not? You do not? 121 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, I don't worship you. 122 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: But like you can appreciate me, you inspired by me, 123 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: but do not. 124 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I won't worship you, but you are just so 125 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: talented and I just have admired your work for so long. 126 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: Ill sweet of you to see yourself and me. 127 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's so, it's a very weird thing, because I 128 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: don't think I told you this. So we just worked 129 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: on a movie together, yes, which was such a wonderful 130 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: experience and I cannot wait for it to come out. 131 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: But the day before I went into went onto set 132 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: to meet with the directors about, you know, the shoot, 133 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: the upcoming shoot, I had just this weird instinct to 134 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: go on a Deborah Wilson googling and youtubing and I 135 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: was watching old sketches that I admired as a kid 136 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: and just like laughing my ass off. I don't know why. 137 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: And then I went in the next day and they said, 138 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: guess who we just got Deborah Wilson, And I said, 139 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: how what? 140 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: Then it's not weird. Then, what it is is it's 141 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: psychic energy. And a lot of times we project things 142 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: that are going to happen. We project things that we want, 143 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: project things that we're going to happen, and that works 144 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: from the conscious mind into the subconscious, and subconscious back 145 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: into the conscious. I mean it to me, it's extremely normal. 146 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: It's a par for the course of the universe. 147 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: But then what happened the other day, Deborah, I'm driving around. 148 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: I turn because I'm trying to figure out where I'm going, 149 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: and who do I see on the street walking Deborah Wilson. 150 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: On my block. 151 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: I believe it, and. 152 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: So I did believe it because that happens to me. 153 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: That's one of those phenomenons that happened to me on 154 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: a semi regular basis. When I meet someone within two weeks, 155 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: I usually see them again in a space in which 156 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: they did not expect to see me, in a space 157 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: I did not expect to see them. So for me, 158 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: it was a very very normal and natural thing. It 159 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: was that. And the other phenomenon is people have a 160 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: tendency to go You remind me so much of you 161 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: look just like, oh my god, I thought you were 162 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: all the time. Because we're constantly, constantly sharing energy. And 163 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: once we move and elevate our thought process, which is 164 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: a three dimensional thing, into a higher process and resonate 165 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: a higher spiritual idea and ideal, then we realize that 166 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: what we're experiencing is not weird, is not kookie, is 167 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: not strange, and is not paranormal. That we realize that 168 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: as spirit beings in a physical vessel, that it's par 169 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 2: for the course. 170 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I've had so many of these experiences 171 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: over the years, but it's still to me, is never 172 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: not like this is crazy phenomenal. 173 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, what a blessing, what a gift. I think it's 174 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: for me, it's very very humbling and supports and continues 175 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: to validate my faith and belief. 176 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: Now, did you was there a point in your life 177 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: when you realized what you now realize about what this 178 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: is or was it you know? Did you always just 179 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: kind of think? 180 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: I think we always know, but what we do as 181 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: we suppress it. Because once we come in the physical world, 182 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: we're dealing with and negotiating the three dimensions as well 183 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: as developing ourselves as well as the things that will 184 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: define us or the things we allow ourselves to be 185 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: defined by. And I think as we're negotiating and bartering 186 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: with those things in the social world, we tamp all 187 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: those things down and we begin to call them things 188 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: like a gut instinct, you know, women's intuition. We don't 189 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: give ourselves the full credit. We make it such a 190 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 2: generalized thing that it's no big deal. So when it 191 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: comes up, it seems like it's more phenomenal than what 192 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: it really is. And so I've transmuted the idea of 193 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: it being phenomenal into a humbling experience and into a 194 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: validating experience that I'm more than physical. 195 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: I like that. 196 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 2: I like that. 197 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: So you've had many paranormal experiences, from my understanding. 198 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: Quite a few. I won't say many. I mean I 199 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: think there are many. People have had a lot more 200 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: than me because they do investigations more often. But I've 201 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: had my fair share of par paranormal experiences, both professionally 202 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: as well as personally. 203 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Have you had where you filmed Mad TV? Was that 204 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: Hollywood Centers Studios? I've heard that that place is haunted. 205 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: It is when in the early days of Mad TV, 206 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: there were a number of experiences and occurrences that happened 207 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: that went over people's heads because they were too busy working. 208 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: You know, And you've got a huge cast, you've got 209 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: a huge criminal and a lot like that. You've also 210 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: got other shows. And so I asked the lot manager 211 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: at at the time. His name was Pat Davis. I 212 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: asked Pat about that because I was interested in the 213 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: paranormal and I knew that that had a great history, 214 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: and he began to tell me some of the history, 215 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: but not all of it. And there was an attic 216 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: area where they had made offices, and I went up 217 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: and I went in one room and I was like, 218 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: I'm feeling very uncomfortable. Don't know why, but I know 219 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: that I'm feeling uncomfortable. I'm feeling edgy, I'm feeling nervous. 220 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: So what I'm going to do is I'm going to 221 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: say that this is me. I'm just feeling that. Man, 222 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: I need to wonder if I'm hungry, go through all 223 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: the physical ideas of what might be happening, the emotional 224 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: ideas of what's going on in my own head. I 225 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: left the room and visited the other offices, and there 226 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: were only two or three of them up in that space, 227 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: and I went in one and had a conversation, had 228 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: a conversation with someone and I felt fine. I went 229 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: into another room which was empty, and I felt fine, 230 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: went back in that one, and again there was a 231 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: sense of nervousness and anxiousness and anxiety, and I said, okay, 232 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: then let me figure out again what's going on with 233 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: me emotionally and on every level physically. Have I eaten? 234 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: Went back into the empty room. I was fine, went 235 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: back into the room, continued a conversation with someone, got 236 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: up and went back in a third time, and the 237 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: anxiety level rose, in which it became overwhelming. And when 238 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: it became overwhelming the energy of that space, I began 239 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: to discern and disseminate what happened. I left myself open 240 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: and vulnerable to whatever energy was in that space. And 241 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: it wasn't necessarily a ghost, It wasn't necessarily a spiritual 242 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: presence or an entity. What it was was an energy 243 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: that was left in that space. And the energy was 244 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: definitely female energy, and a brutalized energy, like a woman 245 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: was beaten, was heavily duty beaten in that room, mercilessly 246 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: beaten and abused. That was by the third time, it 247 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, this is definitely a brutalized energy, a rape, 248 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: and definitely brutalization, a beating. And I went back to 249 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: Pat Davis, the lot manager, and I asked him about 250 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: the history of the stages there because they had been 251 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: I think Warner Brothers stages originally. Don't quote me on that, 252 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: but they had been studio stages in which, back in 253 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, people were under contract 254 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: to a studio. So you were under contract to do 255 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: a number of films. And there was a secret underground 256 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: passage to avoid the paparazzi and void the lookie loose 257 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: and the autograph seekers when you came in, and underneath 258 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: there was a bowling alley that had been closed down 259 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: and you can get into the studio. There were also places, 260 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: you know why, because they wanted people to stay on 261 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: the lot if you're working, and not leave the lot. 262 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: And so there were a lot of what we would 263 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: now call amenities, but some of those amenities were dark, 264 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: meaning what they hired prostitutes. Oh sure, yeah, girls who 265 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: came men who wanted to be stars and starlets, and 266 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: they would succumb to sleeping with executives and succumb to 267 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: sleeping with the stars of the day. And Pat told 268 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: me that that upper area was where there were spaces 269 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: that were used in clandestine arrangements for the girls and 270 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: the men that they were there to service. And hopefully 271 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: move from that into a star position, a starlet position. 272 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: A lot, give me lines and so, but they were 273 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: I found out brutalized, at least one of them was. Definitely, 274 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: and she did not die in that area, but her energy, 275 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: in her presence, she left an electro magnetic spectrum of 276 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: energy in that space, a pocket of energy, and a 277 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: lot of times an electromagnetic energy. When it either goes 278 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: through a trauma, it will imprint it in that area, 279 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 2: same thing as a static electricity. Or if you're thinking 280 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: of the old fashioned cassette tapes, they have a magnetism 281 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: to them and electrons on that tape. So when you 282 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: record something, the reason you can play it back is 283 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: because the magnetic energy of your voice and your vocal 284 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 2: patterns go on to that tape. Did you figure it's 285 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: just tape? How can my voice go on there? But 286 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: the electromagnetic spectrum they combine to a certain extent, I 287 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: know the full science of sound design. But definitely it 288 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: imprints itself so that you can play it over and 289 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: over again, which is like a residual haunting. 290 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: Wow. See, it's interesting that you bring that up because 291 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: most people associate it only with death. But it can still. 292 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: Happen with just absolutely, with just energy. 293 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: Do you think with good energy as well as something 294 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: exciting happens, it can be imprinted. 295 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: I think that's possible in the paranormal world. It's less 296 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: it happens less often than the darker stuff because it's 297 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: such high energy, it's such powerful energy, it's such a 298 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: resounding energy. When when there's a brutalization or there's a 299 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: murder and that energy is left there, it tends to 300 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: leave it there in the electromagnetic spectrum range more often 301 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: than the good stuff, because the good stuff has good 302 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: stuff happening in other places. But when something is very traumatic, 303 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: it can be left there and it doesn't matter whether 304 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: a person has transitioned in that situation or left the situation. 305 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: It can leave an imprint. It can leave an imprint. 306 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: Because so you've also ghost hunted, right, Yes, where have 307 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: you done that at? 308 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 2: I did it in Texas and I've done it here 309 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 2: in California. One of it was a broadcast show for 310 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: MTV called Celebrity Paranormal Project, which was supposed to be 311 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: a one off. It was supposed to be a special 312 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: and a Halloween special so to speak. And what we 313 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 2: experienced as novices at the time, even regardless of all 314 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: the information I knew and what I had done as 315 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: a novice, with other people who were coming in and 316 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: had never done it before, or who were just doing 317 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: it because it was going to be a fun thing, 318 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: or they were going to make some money and they 319 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: were getting their name out there again, whatever their reasons 320 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: for doing it, it was traumatic for a lot of us. 321 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: It was traumatic for a lot of us, and I 322 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 2: think the producers were ill prepared to experience that, and 323 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: so the way they had built the show was to 324 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: be as scary as possible, to be as you know, 325 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 2: on the edge of your seat as possible, and so 326 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: they built that up psychologically, and I think that was 327 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: also par for the course of what happened with a 328 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: lot of people who said I can't go through with this. 329 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 2: They would start and then go. Their minds would take 330 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: them to places, so they didn't necessarily experience anything paranormal, 331 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: I believe, but what they did is their minds began 332 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: to experience. And one of the celebrities that I was 333 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 2: paired with was Evander Holyfield, who was a Christian and 334 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: who didn't really believe in the paranormal or the afterlife. 335 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: In that regard, I think he believed in the afterlife 336 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: as far as religion was concerned and Christianity was concerned, 337 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: but as far as ghosts and hauntings, I think he 338 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: was skeptical. And because he was skeptical, he didn't accept, 339 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: and because he didn't accept, things that happened around him, 340 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: he didn't miss, but it didn't frighten him, Okay, So 341 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: he was more open to it as opposed to people 342 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: who believe it. So that if the wind blows, they go, 343 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: that's a ghost. If it gets a cold, you know, 344 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: there's a cold spot. And so they don't look for 345 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 2: anything logical because nine times out of almost say nine 346 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: times out of ten, but I would say seven times 347 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: out of ten, there's a logical explanation. There's a scientific 348 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: explanation as well. 349 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: So you don't believe that they doctored anything, that the 350 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: producers were, you know, trying to spook your. 351 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: I don't believe that they doctored anything. I believe that 352 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: that's pop that they could have. But from what I experienced, 353 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: and with having Evander Holyfield as a witness who didn't 354 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: believe in the paranormal, but had no explanation for that. 355 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: I would say that, at least in my experience, I 356 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: believe that it was not doctored in the experiences that 357 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: I had, I can only speak for me, so, but. 358 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: You were telling me about this experience, and you're not 359 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: really sure of where you guys were right right. 360 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: What they did was, of course, when they started the 361 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: project itself, meaning the beginning of the show, the way 362 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: it was edited, we all met in a particular location 363 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, and they set it up as a 364 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: green room or a greeting area, and we were going 365 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: to be that late at night, driven somewhere else. So 366 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: they left the greeting area open for various celebrities to 367 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: come in and say hello and sit on the couch 368 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: and discuss their lives and discuss why they're here, and 369 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 2: discuss whether they believe in the paranormal or not. And 370 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: of course they had cameras around shooting it in various 371 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: locations there. Then eventually they had someone come in to say, 372 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: here's the deal. I'm a paranormal investigator, here's the equipment, 373 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: let me show you how to use it, and let 374 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: me tell you about this space. And then they showed 375 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 2: a video of what this space is about. Here's what 376 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: happened in the space. I believe that some of that 377 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: was made up. 378 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched it, and I'm like, Okay, that's kind 379 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: of fun for TV stuff. 380 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: But I believe that some of that was made up. 381 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: I believe, in fact, I almost believe that a great 382 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: deal of it was made up in order to get 383 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: people nervous, anxiety driven, because they expected people to be 384 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 2: psychologically moved by this, to which they would feel like 385 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: there is something there which only legitimizes the experience for 386 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: people who were watching who don't know better, you know, 387 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: because I don't think that we're expecting people who really 388 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: love the paranormal to watch. I think they were watching 389 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: getting people who wanted to see what these celebrities would 390 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: do and the pairings and what they're feelings and reactions 391 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 2: would be, and how creepy it might be. I think 392 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: there were less people who are truly involved in the 393 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: paranormal world as investigations, and more people who were like, 394 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: I watch horror movies and I love them, and I 395 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: like scary thrillers and psychological thrillers and it's Halloween time, right. 396 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: I think that was their their biggest audience. But the 397 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: one thing I think that really annoyed me is that 398 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: they ended up doing more shows because they said, with 399 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: the footage we have, this is going to be the 400 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: pace resistance so ps de resistance of our show. So 401 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: let's make do more episodes. If it can go this well, 402 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: let's do more episodes and we'll put them together as 403 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: a limited series. 404 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: That's what I did. 405 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: I think they did like three or four more episodes 406 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: and then saved our original episode for last and they 407 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 2: advertised it as in and you'll also see an actual 408 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 2: ghost possession. And that really upset me because I did 409 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: not experience a ghost possession. And they never asked to 410 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: ask my experience about what happened, because if I had 411 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: given them the real experience, they wouldn't be able to 412 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: say that. But that sounds more sensational than than, you know, 413 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: an impathic energy. No one wants to No one wants 414 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: to hear empathic energy. 415 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: What was the real experience? 416 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: At one point of vander Holyfield and I were going 417 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: into an area and we it was constant knocking and 418 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: constant banging, constant knocking and constant banging, and I thought 419 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: it was really cool and the place was mostly metal, 420 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: the walls were metal. Everything was metal, and supposedly, given 421 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 2: the dossier, because we're all given at Dosier when we travel, 422 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: the dossier that we received was that it was a 423 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: place of torture, satanic torture. And I don't know if 424 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 2: that's true, but I did. I'd not experience anything in 425 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: that area other than the knocking and the banging, and 426 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 2: I would follow the knocking in the banging, so it 427 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: was really interesting. It would happen intermittently, and I wasn't 428 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: nervous and I wasn't afraid. I just thought it was 429 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: really cool that there was something that had a presence 430 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: that could could manifest in a poltergeist way, in a 431 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 2: knocking in a banging way, and I thought, really that's cool. 432 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: Leaving the area with Evander Holyfield, we just were having 433 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: a conversation in general about his spirituality and his belief 434 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: systems and sharing a little bit about the paranormal world 435 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: with him to open him up a little if possible, 436 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 2: and we went on other investigations throughout the night, and 437 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: at one point they had me go on an investigation 438 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 2: on my own. And then after that, which is that 439 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: one was the creepiest one and I'll tell you about 440 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: that in a minute. But after coming back from that one, 441 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: at the end of it, just to wrap up what 442 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: you had asked the end of it, and holy Field 443 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: got to the point where he was like, you know what, 444 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: this is getting ridiculous, and especially with my belief system 445 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: as a Christian and I personally believe that there are 446 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: no such things as ghosts. That was a general idea, 447 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: and that if there were, that if they asked Jesus 448 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: Christ for love and forgiveness, they can move on. That 449 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: it's all about the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ. 450 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: If they accept Jesus Christ, if there is any energy 451 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: out there that does that, if you accept Jesus Christ 452 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: as your Lord and Savior, then you're gonna be fine. 453 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 2: And he made it seem like it was black and white, 454 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, okay. One part of me thought 455 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: that that was okay. The other aspect of my brain said, no, 456 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: that you don't understand that. You don't understand. You don't 457 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: understand when someone is brutalized the energy that they leave. 458 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: You don't understand when they feel like there they can't 459 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 2: move on because of the things that they've done, and 460 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: this energy of regret, of sorrow and regret came over me, 461 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: and I realized that this is not mine. And as 462 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: the group was talking, I felt like I was I 463 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: needed to isolate myself. I don't know why, I just 464 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 2: know that empathically, I felt like I was going to 465 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: isolate myself, and I did, and I went in a corner. 466 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: And because I allowed myself to be empathic, it continued 467 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: to grow more and more. And the more I accepted 468 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: that empathic energy, the more I realized that I became 469 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: angry and I became upset and I was sad, and 470 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: I felt rejected. I felt dejected, I felt hopeless, I 471 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: felt helpless, and I felt as if this presence that 472 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: was empathically with me was saying that it's not that easy. 473 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: And it felt like a female energy again, and that 474 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: she had given up a belief system to become either 475 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: a pay or a devil worshiper or a you know, 476 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 2: a Satanic worshiper, and she couldn't get out of it. 477 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: She wanted to and couldn't get out of it, but 478 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: believed that she would never she would never make it 479 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: to heaven. She would never make it to an afterlife 480 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 2: for what she did and who she was, and she 481 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 2: felt tortured about that emotionally and psychologically, and it just 482 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: began to become overwhelming. Emotionally, it became overwhelming, and then 483 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 2: people looked at me and they realized that I had 484 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: isolated myself, and I began crying, and they said, what's wrong? 485 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: And you know what Evander Holyfield said kind of sparked 486 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: it off, and she felt incensed and angry and upset. 487 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: And not only was incensed and angry and upset, but 488 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: upset that we were there. Then we were there invading 489 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: a space that we had no business being in, and 490 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: then to judge that energy there with what he said religiously, 491 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: and she let me have it because she knew that 492 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: I would open up to that, and I did. And 493 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: that's the first time I realized that I don't have 494 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: control over that empathic thing that happens with all of us. 495 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: I had no control. I wasn't professional, I wasn't grounded, 496 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: I didn't grind I didn't ground myself. I didn't do 497 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: anything to ground myself spiritually, and I left myself open. 498 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: And it was overwhelming and to the point where I'm 499 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: like Okay, I'm starting to have difficulty breathing. You've got 500 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: to get out. You've got to leave. Your message was delivered. 501 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: Please leave, Leave, Leave, leave. This energy has to leave me. 502 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: It has to leave me. And I was walking around 503 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: and I was like, you got to get out, you 504 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: got to get out. You've got to leave. You've got 505 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: to leave. The message was received, the message was received. 506 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: You use my body, you use my mind. I stayed 507 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: open to you empathically. You've got to get out. And 508 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: of course they had cameras everywhere, because there was no 509 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: professionals on the lot, no producers, no writers, no directors. 510 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: They were looking at a room remote location, using cameras 511 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: and moving cameras around that were that were throughout the location, 512 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: so they were not there. And everyone else didn't know 513 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: what to do with me. They didn't know how to 514 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: respond and how to react. It was nerve wracking. Yeah, 515 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: everyone said, okay, we're done, this is over with. We're 516 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: supposed to have more hours to do the show, because 517 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: it was supposed to go from like three am to 518 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: like six am, and people refused. They said, we're not 519 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: going out on any more assignments. We're not doing anything. Nope, Nope. 520 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: After seeing this, Nope, absolutely not. And that's when the 521 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: producers came down. In fact, they gave us before we 522 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: the prerequisite for going there. They gave us our own 523 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: snake bite kids. Really, yeah, they because there were there 524 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: were no there was no medical professionals on site. 525 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: There was nowhere outside desert. 526 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think it was off the I realized 527 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: now it was somewhere off the one A team it 528 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: was one of those canyon exits off the one eighteen. 529 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: But we were in blackened out vans, so the windows 530 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: were blackened out, and then of course cameras were on 531 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: us while we were. 532 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: In the van. See that. I'm also very open to 533 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: spirits because of experiences that I've had. I've never had 534 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: an energy you know, kind of the experience that you had, 535 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: But I believe that spirits can seek out people or 536 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: they maybe they'll see a group of people and they go, oh, 537 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: that one will get me, that one could understand me. 538 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, absolutely, and I've. 539 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: Had That's why I've had so many experiences as my belief. 540 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I absolutely, And it's interesting because you can't prove anything. However, 541 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: it's very very powerful when people have similar experiences. 542 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: Oh, that's the best when you can validate absolutely absolutely. 543 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: So for me that is my personal truth and I've 544 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 2: experienced it and had people validate that personal truth through 545 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: their own experiences like now where they do seek you 546 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: out you are, you are a light and they can 547 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: see your energy differently the same way like Curelean photography. 548 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Curlelyan photography. No, curly In photography 549 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: is the type of photography that can create auras. They 550 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: can do it with plants, they can do it with 551 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: human beings. Sometimes you can go to psychic fairs and 552 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: paranormal fairs and festivals and they'll have you sit and 553 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: they'll take a picture and there'll be a light spectrum, 554 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: different color, light spectrum around you. And the idea is 555 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: that with Curelean photography it can show the different auras 556 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: around you and what they represent. And I believe the 557 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: same way that you can see an X ray into 558 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: bones and you can everything else disappears, but the bone 559 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: density that you can see and anything that seems to 560 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: be solid that you can see. I believe that it 561 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: is the same way with the spiritual presence that they 562 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: see something beyond the physical body that they can see 563 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 2: a color spectrum. They can see an aura, things that 564 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: move beyond the three dimensional realm into a higher realm 565 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 2: of spiritual awareness, but still has a physical presence, and 566 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 2: that they see that spectrum, and then they can pull 567 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: out that spectrum, go we look at that. Yes, I 568 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: can see his spectrum because they can't really, they don't 569 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: have no eyes. But there is this heightened sense of awareness, absolutely, 570 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 2: and a heightened sense of memory, especially for those that 571 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: are intelligence and intelligent haunting, which is different from a 572 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 2: residual haunting. Very both are very different. 573 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: You you really know this stuff. 574 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 2: Huh, I'm very interested. So you know, I used to 575 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: watch a lot and I used to meet quite a 576 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: few people and have discussions. And one of the shows 577 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: that I used to watch on Fox at the time 578 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: was called Sightings and there was a paranormal investigator on 579 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: it named Peter James, and he was world renowned as 580 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: a paranormal investigator, but he was also psychic. He was 581 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: clairvoyant and claire audio so he can hear and see. 582 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: And I did an investigation with him which for a 583 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: British television show on the Queen Mary. Oh really yeah, 584 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: And he and I became very close, very very very 585 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: close friends. I went to his apartment the first time 586 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: and we sat and we talked, and someone knocked on 587 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: his door and he continued to have the conversation with me. 588 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: That kept knocking, and I said, Peter, someone's at your door. 589 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: He said, no, there isn't and he kept having a 590 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 2: conversation and it was very very clear, and it was 591 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: methodical knocking, like a knock, knock, knock, sure, pause, knock, knock, knock, pause, 592 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: And I said, Peter, there's obviously someone at your door. 593 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 2: He goes shook his head, Nope. And after the third knock, 594 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 2: I went to the door and right before they knocked again, 595 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: I heard one knock and it was going to go 596 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: into the knock knock, knock, but it went knocked and 597 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 2: I opened the door and there was no one there. Ah, 598 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: there was no one there. 599 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: So what was his explanation? 600 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: A neighbor downstairs who had passed away? Because they knew 601 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 2: he was psychic and they knew he was they knew 602 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: he was Claire audio and clairvoyant. He's done a number 603 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 2: of huge, huge investigations that are that are very well 604 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: known in the paranormal community. He was an icon. He 605 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: was a legend. He was very well known in the 606 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: paranormal community. If you mentioned the name of Peter James 607 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 2: and he passed away. He passed away a number of 608 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 2: years ago, and we held a huge memorial on the 609 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: Queen Mary because he had done an investigation on the 610 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: Queen Mary and he discovered more entities and more energies 611 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: than any other paranormal investigation. He was able to allow 612 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 2: them to use his body and go into possession and 613 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: give their information and give their information, and the investigation 614 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 2: that we had was absolutely phenomenal because wherever he went 615 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: there was an occurrence. We heard a disembodied forty five 616 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: minute conversation through the metal and the hull of the 617 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 2: ship because we went below sea dip level. We were 618 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: given permission around one or two o'clock in the morning 619 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 2: to go below sea level at the hull of the ship, 620 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: and we heard a forty five minute disembodied conversation that 621 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: floated from area to area. It would start here, it 622 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: was almost way you would have stereo, and it would 623 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: start there, and then it would go over there, and 624 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 2: it would go over there, almost like stereophonic. And people 625 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 2: left and I stayed to hear it. This was incredible. 626 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing, because it was in the metal. 627 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: Because you know, metal is a great conductor of electromagnetic spectrum, 628 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: but so is salt water, so is water, and so 629 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 2: given the combination of the two and the history of 630 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: the ship, the Queen Mary was also a warship, and 631 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: most people who don't know the history of the Queen 632 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: Mary don't realize that it was also a warship. And 633 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: so it was you can hear the vocal patterns, but 634 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: you couldn't make it out. It was if someone was 635 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 2: giving direction or someone was giving order, and you could 636 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: hear enunciation, but you couldn't make the words out. And 637 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: it was a deeper, deeper toned voice, like a man's voice. 638 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 2: So you can hear the nunciation of vowels, but you 639 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 2: could not hear the exact and it was ongoing. It 640 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 2: never stopped. So it felt like they were giving orders, 641 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 2: but they weren't listening to it. They were just giving orders. 642 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 2: There was a little girl who drowned in the third 643 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 2: class swimming pool. Yes, I've heard that story, and I 644 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 2: heard her say goodbye. 645 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: Stop. 646 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they had they had prepped by going the 647 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 2: producer had prepped by going earlier, and he showed us 648 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 2: video on his phone of saying can you say goodbye? 649 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: You wait nothing? Okay, then we're leaving and as they're 650 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: walking out. 651 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah bye bye. 652 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 2: Eh yeah yeah okay. 653 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: Well I want to make sure we have we get 654 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: everything in amount of time we have. Are there are 655 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: there other story? I mean, I feel like you have 656 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: so many stories. Are there any that you wanted to share? 657 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: Any others? 658 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: Texas went to do a paranormal investigation. There used to 659 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 2: be a show on the Sci Fi Channel and I 660 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 2: think it went to either Discovery channel after that and 661 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 2: then left the air. And it was called Ghost Lab 662 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 2: and it was by two brothers who knew everything about science, 663 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: and so they wanted to discover and implement how we 664 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: can prove that there is a paranormal experience through science 665 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: as opposed to a psychic experience. And the show was phenomenal. 666 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: It did well and I was a huge fan. I 667 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 2: was hooked from day one because they were mixing the 668 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 2: science of it. 669 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: Which gives it validity to a lot of people. A 670 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to hear anything about psychic beliefs. 671 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: So if you and I don't know if you can 672 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 2: find it, but try going to YouTube and put in 673 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 2: ghost lab ghost ghost Lab, and it was absolutely phenomenal. 674 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 2: The shows were brilliant and none of them were faked. 675 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 2: And after meeting these brothers and having a conversation with 676 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 2: them and being with them in Texas and then flying 677 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: me down to do it, none of it was faked. 678 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 2: And the reason I believe that none of it was 679 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 2: faked was because of the experience we began to have 680 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 2: when they picked me up from the airport. The first 681 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 2: thing we did is we went to a restaurant and said, 682 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 2: let's eat, and we want to let you know that 683 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 2: this will be an investigation tonight. But there are things 684 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,959 Speaker 2: that happened during the day in this particular dining hall, 685 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 2: and because it is Texas and not Los Angeles, it 686 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 2: was empty during the day because most people are working. 687 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot, that's the thing. 688 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And it was empty during the afternoon. And 689 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: I looked at the menu, and being a vegan, it 690 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 2: was difficult to eat in Texas. But I looked at 691 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: the menu and as I'm looking at the menu, I'm 692 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,439 Speaker 2: just perusing it, going there's nothing here I can eat, 693 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 2: So I'm not really reading the entire menu, because everything 694 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 2: I see anyway, it is meat or fried meat or 695 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 2: fried or fried meat, or fried pickles or fried. 696 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: This, chicken, fried steak. 697 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 2: Chicken, fried state, everything that was like fried, fried, fried, fried. 698 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 2: So I put the menu down and my silver war 699 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 2: was crossed. And so I looked at one of the 700 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: brothers and I went, my silverware just got crossed, and 701 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 2: he said, yes, that's a common occurrence. 702 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: And why I was what part of Texas I. 703 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 2: Watch a hatchie. I forgot. I'd have to really look 704 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 2: that up. But it's a very well known restaurant that 705 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 2: used to be a ranch house. It was a home. Okay, 706 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 2: it was a home and it was a ranch house, 707 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 2: but they turned it into Eventually the property was sold. 708 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 2: I think the owners eventually passed away and they sold 709 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 2: the But waxahachi, I think it's waxahachi with a wax waxahachie. 710 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 2: And so I looked down and it was crossed. And 711 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 2: he had been holding his menu the whole time, and 712 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 2: then he put his down and his was crossed. So 713 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 2: what happened within seconds? Nobody saw it, nobody felt it, 714 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 2: nobody heard it. It's a phenomena I've never experienced before. 715 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: I've heard of it, I've seen shows with it, but 716 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 2: it's a phoma phenomena I've never experienced, and I experienced it. 717 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because the waitress came over, the server 718 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 2: came over, and then she backed away, and I wondered, 719 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: what's going on? She goes, could you tell them to go? 720 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 2: Because they're following her, they don't know her, and they're 721 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 2: interested in her energy because I was you, yeah, yeah, 722 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 2: and she's like, it's a little too claustrophobic for me. 723 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 2: Over here. I can feel them over my shoulder looking 724 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 2: at her. Could you ask them to leave? Because the 725 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 2: Brothers had done investigations there before, and matt Night was 726 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 2: interesting because as we were leading people through the investigation, 727 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 2: when one person left the silverware in their pocket, was 728 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 2: that was put there by who knows what? 729 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? You seem very calmed. I mean, do you get 730 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: does this stuff scare you? 731 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 2: It doesn't scare me. But what happens is I go 732 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 2: back to the physical space that I'm in, and when 733 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 2: my heart starts to pound, I pay attention to the physical, 734 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 2: so I don't pay attention to the paranormal. I pay 735 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 2: attention to the physical, and I go, Okay, my heart 736 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 2: is beating fast. Is it because I'm nervous? Is it 737 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 2: because I received the information so psychologically I'm doing this 738 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 2: to mylf Or is it because there's an energy and 739 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 2: my heart and my body is automatically responding. So I 740 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: start going through the logic of that experience, and that 741 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 2: keeps me calm. Okay, that keeps me very calm, because 742 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 2: I am open. On the Queen Mary, there was a 743 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 2: young boy who was not American who died on it 744 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: when the Queen Mary was a warship, and what I 745 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 2: felt my body doing was having my head crushed, but 746 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 2: I felt my body lifting up and then tilting to 747 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 2: the side to lie down, lifting up and tilting to 748 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 2: the side. And it turns out that the hull of 749 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 2: the ship was used for dead bodies because it was 750 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 2: the coolest storage space you can get. But this kid 751 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 2: hadn't died yet. He was unconscious, and they thought he 752 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 2: was dead because he had he couldn't feel his pulse, 753 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: but he was still alive and all he wanted. It 754 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 2: really upset me, and I can see an image of 755 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 2: him too. He was blonde, he was blue eyed, he 756 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 2: was an American. I don't know if he was German. 757 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 2: I don't know where he was from. But all he 758 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: wanted was his mother. Thing he wanted before he passed 759 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 2: was he wanted. He wanted to be with his mother. 760 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 2: He wanted to see his mother one more time. But 761 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 2: I could feel my body lift and then tilt to 762 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 2: the side, lift and then tilt to the side, and 763 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 2: my head was crushed because they put the bodies head 764 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 2: to feet, head to feet, but stack them yeah each other, 765 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,800 Speaker 2: stack them on top of each other. So that was 766 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 2: another feeling that I had, and the feelings that I 767 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 2: do get. I'm always with a paranormal investigator who has 768 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 2: psychic ability to validate my experience and say, no, that's 769 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 2: not the case or that's possible. 770 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 1: So how do you handle the dark energy? 771 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I've never experienced dark energy? Oh, Mama, don't 772 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 2: play that. Yeah, mama. If someone says this place is 773 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 2: because like I said, we did that at this area 774 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 2: off the one eighteen and supposedly it was haunted by 775 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 2: Satanists who once were there, and so I never really 776 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 2: absorbed that as in the Devil's gonna get me or 777 00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 2: Satan's gonna pop up or there's gonna be there's going 778 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 2: to be something that happens, like something flown against the room, 779 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 2: or I'm gonna fall or I'm gonna get killed. I 780 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 2: never experienced that. I did experience a disembodied voice right 781 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 2: in front of me, though, and it was mumbling and hissing. 782 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 2: So I did hear that. And it's interesting because the 783 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,720 Speaker 2: room went very, very still, and the temperature rose. Usually 784 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 2: with a malevolent energy your presence, the temperature will rise, 785 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 2: not drop, as in a cold spot. 786 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: Got it. 787 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 2: And I heard hissing in a corner. And what I 788 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 2: did is I sayed still. Because one of my greatest 789 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 2: anxieties and fears, you know, psychologically, is running and being chased. 790 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 2: So I don't run from anything because my greatest fear 791 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 2: is being chased. I don't like the idea of something 792 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 2: that can catch up to you and chase you and 793 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 2: grab you and knock you down and pull you down 794 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And every time I've seen a 795 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 2: horror movie with someone runs and they fall and all 796 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 2: of a sudden their legs get dragged back and there, so. 797 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: That that way on stairs, the idea of someone chasing 798 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 1: me upstairs. 799 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 2: I get it. The physical work you have to do 800 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 2: to get away from somebody, and the physical idea of 801 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 2: tumbling down the stairs and breaking your neck. So I 802 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 2: don't move. I don't move, so I'll listen and my 803 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 2: heart will beat practically out of my chest, but I 804 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 2: will stay still. I will stay still, and then I 805 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,720 Speaker 2: will get up and I'll walk slowly, and each step 806 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 2: it's like nothing touched me, nothing's happening, nothing's happening, nothing's happening. 807 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 2: But it's one step at a time because the anxiety 808 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: is at its highest peak at that point. Just walking 809 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,360 Speaker 2: and not walking backwards, but walking forward, my anxieties at 810 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 2: its highest peak. So it's I took a step, nothing happened. 811 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 2: I took a step, nothing happened. I get out of 812 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 2: the shack, and I heard voices on the outside of 813 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 2: the shack talking too, And I had a walkie and 814 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 2: asked who was out there, and they said, no, we're 815 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 2: all back here. And interesting, it didn't sound like it 816 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 2: would have been the type of sound where you would 817 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 2: put you would put a microphone in a tree because 818 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 2: the sound moved across. Oh yeah, you know, because a 819 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 2: lot of times you're like, okay, well, if they scare 820 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 2: you if if the producers really want to do that, 821 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 2: they can put microphones in trees. But the sound moved 822 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 2: in front of me because I was in a shack. 823 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 2: The sound moved in front of me and then across 824 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,800 Speaker 2: as if someone were walking and talking. 825 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't fire. Yeah. 826 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 2: And then the hissing in the corner that was there 827 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 2: was there, that was real. 828 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of scary demon voices, you also did some 829 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: scary demon voices in the nine. 830 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I did the demonic voice. I did 831 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 2: all the demonic voice along with an amazing and phenomenal 832 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm so inspired by him. He's he's you have no idea. 833 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 2: I'm inspired by him. He's one of the reasons I 834 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 2: do demon voices. And he's one of the reasons why 835 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm perfecting my craft voiceover wise to do 836 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 2: animal sounds and demon voices and creatures, and I do 837 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 2: a lot of creature voices. I'd do a lot of 838 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 2: creature voices, and he he is my go to when 839 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 2: it comes to that, and I got a chance to 840 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 2: meet him. His name is d Bradley bakerd Ee D 841 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 2: Bradley Baker. And when you look them up and when 842 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 2: you look at his site and when you look at 843 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 2: all the information on YouTube, what he does that comes 844 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 2: out of his mouth is otherworldly, other worldly. So I 845 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 2: did the higher end demonic stuff. He did the lower end, 846 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 2: and together they were sound mixed, so anytime anyone was possessed, 847 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 2: we were the voice in the film. Cool. It was cool. 848 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 2: It was a cool experience. 849 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,800 Speaker 1: I think about you hear someone talks about a ghost. 850 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm here in Hollywood in this ghost. Just 851 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: I heard, like, you know, a growl, and I'm like, well, 852 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 1: what if it was a voiceover artist ghost that was 853 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: just making different noises? Maybe imagine a Deborah Wilson ghost. 854 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: The things that you could do to fuck with someone. 855 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,399 Speaker 2: Oh, without a body, the sky's the limit. Oh sorry, no, 856 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 2: eternity's the limit. 857 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: EVP are ev plicse Okay, So we do a little 858 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: game here called evp's or ev please. 859 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 860 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 1: So we're gonna listen to some EVP as electronic voice phenomenon, 861 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: or as I like to call it, the ASMR of 862 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and we're gonna hear some voices that are recorded. Now. 863 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: These are both from the Los Angeles Zoo, the Old 864 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Zoo. Have you ever been there in. 865 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 2: Griffith Park, Yes, I have. 866 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: There's a lot of energy going on, a lot of energy. 867 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 1: I mean lots of stories of animal energy. I mean 868 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,320 Speaker 1: apparently there were lots of animals that were neglected or 869 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: possibly beaten. 870 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 2: And not only that, but did you know it burned down? 871 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 2: And when it burned down, that's why there are so 872 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 2: many parents. A lot of people don't see them, but 873 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 2: there are many areas in which they do see them 874 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 2: parrots because they propagated the species they once they escaped. 875 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 2: Once parrots were able to escape or could escape Los 876 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 2: Angeles as temperate as it was is for the most part, 877 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 2: and in the upper desert areas, they can propagate the species. 878 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 2: And so there are still a lot of parrots that 879 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 2: are in the trees all over Los Angeles, all over 880 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 2: La La County. 881 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 1: Didn't even know. 882 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 2: That because they were able to escape and propagate. 883 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: But like Griffith Park area, there are like centuries old 884 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: stories of curs. They say it's cursed up there. There 885 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,720 Speaker 1: have been so many bodies, body parts, just a couple 886 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: I think it was like twenty twelve or so, there 887 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: was a head that was found in that area, So 888 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on up in the Griffith Park area, 889 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 1: and this is more specifically from the zoo. I found 890 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: these clips from some a group called Crisp Paranormal and 891 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,040 Speaker 1: here's the first one. We're just gonna listen to it 892 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,319 Speaker 1: real quick, and I want you to tell me what 893 00:49:51,760 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: you here. It's really quick. But again that first of all, 894 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: that's a creepy voice. Do you think that that person 895 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: that's if that was a human being, do you think 896 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 1: that that's what their voice sounded like when they were 897 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: on the Earth. 898 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 899 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: So what happens. 900 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,319 Speaker 2: I think there's a It has to go through an 901 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 2: energy spectrum because again a lot of people don't hear it. 902 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 2: It's interesting how with an electronic voice phenomena, you usually 903 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 2: don't catch it the first time, but you catch it 904 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 2: on that because it's an electromagnetic spectrum. So it's a 905 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 2: there's a science to it because there are voices that 906 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 2: we don't hear, but they get captured when they ask questions. 907 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 2: And why we can't hear it is because I think 908 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 2: the science of of of I think the science as 909 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 2: well as the paranormal aspect is it's interdimensional. It's interdimensional 910 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 2: and so it can be made in the physical world, 911 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 2: but you need to capture it on a physical You 912 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 2: need to have something in the physical world to harness it. 913 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 2: So I don't think we can hear it, but I 914 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 2: think once it is because I think it's interdimensional, so 915 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 2: they may not have been fully present, but they can 916 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,800 Speaker 2: see everything in this dimension and scientifically it can be captured, 917 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 2: but you need a vessel to capture it. Well, you can, 918 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 2: sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. But see, that's that's 919 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 2: why it's a practice. That's why there is no expert 920 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 2: in the field. There's only people who have done repetitive 921 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 2: investigation and then found a generalized idea of what happens 922 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 2: on a semi or regular basis. Because there's no real 923 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 2: you can't get a degree in it. You can't say 924 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 2: that you know. It's not like being a doctor. It's 925 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 2: just a matter of encountering it over and over again. 926 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 2: And I think because it is a universal and larger 927 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 2: spectrum of idea and ideals, they're a phenomena that we 928 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,840 Speaker 2: haven't discovered yet. The same way there are aspects of 929 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 2: the universe that still go on that we haven't discovered yet. Yeah, 930 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 2: like a black hole or the ocean exactly. 931 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,680 Speaker 1: But see, that's what makes it even care for me 932 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: is that it's almost at times like there are no 933 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,320 Speaker 1: rules of the afterlife and paranormal. I mean, it is 934 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: more time, okay, one more time, Okay, I'll give you 935 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,759 Speaker 1: some options. Did they say you down with OLPP? Did 936 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,799 Speaker 1: they say b yeah, you know me? Did they say 937 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: see guilty or d kill me? 938 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,200 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say kill me because they're already dead. And 939 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,880 Speaker 2: if it's an intelligent haunting, it knows he or she 940 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 2: or it energy wise knows that it's no longer the 941 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 2: here as they moved through the dimensions. 942 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: But that's what these people actually think it said is 943 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: kill me, kill me, let me hear it again. But 944 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,359 Speaker 1: maybe not. I mean these are all just you know, 945 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:05,439 Speaker 1: you guess kill me. Maybe it said something else, Maybe 946 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: it didn't say anything at all. 947 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 2: But because of the kale me, it's not it's like 948 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 2: two syllables and chail me. 949 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 1: Maybe they wanted kale, they wanted to they wanted they 950 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: were trying to eat clean. 951 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 2: And it might have been Yeah, I think that's what 952 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 2: it is. Kale me, kill me, give me, give me 953 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 2: some kale. 954 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: Come on, give me some cash. 955 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 2: Kill me. 956 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,479 Speaker 1: Who is that Valick from the Nuns wanting call? 957 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 2: If you want some valet, I can give you. 958 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,800 Speaker 1: Some valet, give me, give me Valeck going to veggie grill. 959 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 2: Let's see, I know what I want. Feed me. 960 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:55,760 Speaker 3: Listen. 961 00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 2: Then frieda me and m we This said the king. 962 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: Okay, coming right up. 963 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,319 Speaker 2: To go, made to go, make it to go. 964 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,480 Speaker 3: To go back. 965 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 2: No strage during the sort the environment. 966 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was val vallic from the Nun 967 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: Star of the Nun and Veggie Grill. Okay, here's one 968 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 1: more and then we'll get you out of here. This 969 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,840 Speaker 1: is also at the La le Go. Oh hey, you 970 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,359 Speaker 1: don't have to go. I want you with me at 971 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: all times. Okay, yeah, that was This is also La Zoo. 972 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,160 Speaker 1: It's hard to say. 973 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 3: Okay, my it was it A to the Mexican grill, 974 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:27,720 Speaker 3: B do the nasty bump, C to the next chamber. 975 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,080 Speaker 1: Or D I am a ghost. I'm a Herdoric idea 976 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:32,640 Speaker 1: at the zoo. 977 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 3: Welcome to the zoo. I am a ghost. 978 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,400 Speaker 1: The elephants are right up here. 979 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 2: It sounds like I would say C to the next chamber. No, 980 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,480 Speaker 2: it says do, it says do the. 981 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: It's do the nasty bump, I think. But they said 982 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: c to the next chamber. Do the next chamber. I 983 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: don't know what that means, but that's what they suspect. 984 00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 2: Okay, see it says do. It sounds like it says 985 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,879 Speaker 2: do as opposed to two. Yeah, there's a different to. 986 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: It's hard to say, Oh my god, you just fucked 987 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: my life up. Now would you like a dessert? Malick? 988 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: We have a couple of options. We do have a 989 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: vegan strawberry shortcake and we also have coconut ice cream. Now, okay, 990 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:38,680 Speaker 1: we also have some silverware if you would like. Yeah, 991 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: we have paper straws if you would like. 992 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:48,000 Speaker 3: For you, I know what I want for dessert? 993 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yes, what would you like? 994 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,000 Speaker 2: You're so covered in we claim? 995 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: Oh well, lucky for you, that is also vegan. 996 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 2: Marl, take that go please. 997 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,400 Speaker 1: I can get my soul with the cow the go. 998 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:15,360 Speaker 3: Don't worry. IL come for it tonight while you sleep. 999 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,800 Speaker 1: I can't with you. Well, thank you so much for 1000 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 1: doing this. I am so grateful doing. 1001 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:31,960 Speaker 2: Experience. Do I need a key or is it free? 1002 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: We do have a code. It is six six four 1003 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: six six six six four six six sick