Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel So and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and
Speaker 1: of course it's fun. It's that time of year when
Speaker 1: wedding season has officially begun and all the what should
Speaker 1: I wear A questions start rolling into my dms, and
Speaker 1: instead of focusing on bridal fashion, which can be very
Speaker 1: personal and specific, I thought this week I would focus on.
Speaker 2: What to wear as a wedding guest.
Speaker 1: Back to help me is my ever always amazing, dazzling,
Speaker 1: beautiful producer Mary Elizabeth. So let's dive right into wedding
Speaker 1: season styling. And by the way, the fact that she
Speaker 1: thinks we won't talk about bridle gowns is crazy, So
Speaker 1: we will touch.
Speaker 3: On I don't want the bride. I mean, let's just
Speaker 3: kick it off. Tis this season for the wedding invites
Speaker 3: to be rolling in. I am in the season of
Speaker 3: my life where I'm past the six to seven wedding
Speaker 3: commitments a year or summer.
Speaker 1: My nephew has eleven yeah weddings this year and actually
Speaker 1: all destination.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think from the ages of like twenty six
Speaker 3: to thirty two, I couldn't a fortification because I was
Speaker 3: attending as many weddings as I as I could.
Speaker 2: Can you make them vacations though, Like.
Speaker 3: If they're a destination wedding, you can definitely tack on
Speaker 3: a day or two before or after.
Speaker 1: It's also the time of your life where you're working,
Speaker 1: like you can't just take time off.
Speaker 3: And let's be honest, like if it's in NAPA, right, Like,
Speaker 3: am I gonna burn a day off to be a NAPA? Right?
Speaker 3: Maybe if I don't really want to be?
Speaker 2: You know, right, totally.
Speaker 3: So it's you're at the mercy of wherever you've been
Speaker 3: invited to.
Speaker 1: But these greattinations that I'm hearing now are like all
Speaker 1: over Italy every budget, by the way, they're not. What
Speaker 1: I'm actually is, it's weirdly more cost effective very often to.
Speaker 2: Do destination I don't know how.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe you just keep the number so small.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's an edit that is sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's going to eliminate some but then some.
Speaker 3: But again, you know, you and I were just talking
Speaker 3: about this. It's when you have big life events, it's
Speaker 3: shocking who you invite that you think are absolutely shoe
Speaker 3: ins that can't or aren't able to come, and then
Speaker 3: the people on the list that are you know, maybe
Speaker 3: not as priority will show up and half of the
Speaker 3: best time so you never know. But wedding season is here.
Speaker 3: Everyone has RSVP'd. There's a lot of questions always on
Speaker 3: social media for you this time of year about not
Speaker 3: only the brides but wedding guests mostly.
Speaker 1: It's a tough it's a tough conversation because there's so
Speaker 1: many variables and I've seen it go wrong. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen on more than ten occasion the guests showing up
Speaker 1: in white, which.
Speaker 2: To me is common sense, but.
Speaker 1: Like, maybe it's not. And I you know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: Someone texted me a picture. They were in Palm Beach
Speaker 1: and they were texting me what I thought of something
Speaker 1: to go to a wedding in Palm Beach And it
Speaker 1: was white with like metallic like fringe and crystals and whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but it's white. She's like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's not because it has so many crystals and stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, do white the bride. Let me tell
Speaker 3: you what. The bride won't care. It'll be white to her.
Speaker 2: White.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's jump into some questions people have about going
Speaker 3: to weddings they've been invited. Sometimes there's you know, a
Speaker 3: tire listed, sometimes there's not. So let's just break it down.
Speaker 3: What does cocktail attire mean? If the wedding invite says
Speaker 3: cocktail attire, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: I think till means they want you to dress up, right,
Speaker 1: Please dress up? Don't look regular. This is not a
Speaker 1: regular day. Please dress up for us. But like, feel
Speaker 1: free to wear short. Like to me, when I hear cocktail,
Speaker 1: it means you can wear short. It means you can
Speaker 1: wear any length of dress. Yes, okay, it means you
Speaker 1: can wear any length of dress. It means you could
Speaker 1: wear like a dressy tuxedo, like a white suit.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: It means to look polished and whatever your interpretation of
Speaker 1: that is. Please don't wear sneakers, right, Please don't wear jeans, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And like, put some effort
Speaker 1: in and dress up for us. But you don't have
Speaker 1: to be formal, gotcha, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And there's a huge gray area there. Yeah, you could also.
Speaker 1: Wear long, but the difference there would be you're not
Speaker 1: wearing a train for cocktail.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You could wear flowy, but I would wear your hair down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would wear like fun jewelry, not like your
Speaker 1: diamond necklace, right if you should have one, if.
Speaker 2: You should wear fau diamond necklace. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what does cocktail attire mean for men? Because okay,
Speaker 3: as most of our listeners know, you're also you're not
Speaker 3: only dressing yourself but a wedding, but you're dressing your
Speaker 3: plus one usually totally.
Speaker 1: I would say cocktail for men means no tie. Okay
Speaker 1: to me, that's no tie, yep, formal is tie?
Speaker 3: So like a suit, a nice crisp shirt, uh huh,
Speaker 3: but no no tie.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: You also don't have to wear a white shirt, right.
Speaker 1: That could be like a navy jacket and a blue shirt.
Speaker 1: It could be a pink shirt and a white jacket.
Speaker 2: Depends on the vent.
Speaker 1: When I say there's so many variables, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: are you in cocktail at a beach?
Speaker 2: Right? You in the city? Are you in Italy? Like?
Speaker 1: Because all of those things weigh in, right, because cocktail
Speaker 1: when you're in Italy on the Amalfi Coast, like, you
Speaker 1: should wear a print, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like to me, cocktail the type of clothes don't change
Speaker 3: based on the venue. Just the fabric will change, right, sure,
Speaker 3: Like a man can wear a suit if it's a
Speaker 3: cocktail at the beach or whatever.
Speaker 1: But wear cocktail for a man, you wear a jacket, Yes,
Speaker 1: you wear a jacket. You can wear kackis. You can
Speaker 1: wear trousers and like driving loafers or something.
Speaker 3: It's like a drop a nicer shoe. Yes, yes, Okay,
Speaker 3: that clears that up. Now, what does black tie or
Speaker 3: formal mean when it's on an imitation?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So black tie means tuxedo means a tux.
Speaker 2: Black tie is a tux. Now, I do think there is.
Speaker 1: Some room for guys to wear a black suit with
Speaker 1: a black tie and not a bow tie. Right, But
Speaker 1: black tie is your most formal.
Speaker 3: Yep, formal the Great Gatsby correct.
Speaker 1: Formal is a full suit and tie for a guy.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: For a woman, black tie means full gown, gown, gown long,
Speaker 1: not short. You're not wearing not midi.
Speaker 2: No, but you can.
Speaker 1: Wear midi if it's fabulous, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: You can because there is like no midi sun dress
Speaker 3: like Kuriti car acts actual like sequence or sparkle of sorts,
Speaker 3: speeded something. A very dressy dress does not have to
Speaker 3: have a train necessarily, but you are your most dressed
Speaker 3: whatever that is. Like even if you look back at
Speaker 3: the Great Gatsby.
Speaker 1: A lot of those were right, they were many MIDI right,
Speaker 1: so yeah, but it just means not short in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Got it? So black tie?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll be honest with you. In La
Speaker 1: I see short for black tie all the time. So
Speaker 1: I also think it depends on where you live. In Paris,
Speaker 1: in London, in Europe, you're not wearing short to a
Speaker 1: black tie, right, yeah, calamarian, Yeah, I mean I have
Speaker 1: literally seen people wear jeans to a black tie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, shook me out.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's not great. No, so when you see black tie,
Speaker 3: you go full gown?
Speaker 2: Yeah, full stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah I am in a gown for a black tie
Speaker 3: for sure, exactly.
Speaker 2: I also think it's a great way to like.
Speaker 1: Look at it as like a moment, you know, like
Speaker 1: how often do you get to do that? I mean
Speaker 1: some people more than others, of course, but like it's
Speaker 1: a moment. And I would say formal is one notch
Speaker 1: down from black tie. I think formal gives you a
Speaker 1: little more room for interpretation.
Speaker 2: But the idea with formal is please dress up very much.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, be dressy yes, okay, other than wearing white.
Speaker 3: What do you think are some don'ts or wedding guest
Speaker 3: faux pause that you've seen in your life?
Speaker 2: Anything that reads bridle?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like anything that reads that sort of like lacey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like don't wear a pink lace gown. Yep, like a
Speaker 1: blush pink lace gown. I have seen someone wear like
Speaker 1: a beautiful dulce gown with the train to a wedding. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's a bridal gown that happens to be blushed pink.
Speaker 2: I think that's a.
Speaker 3: Little, very nice, little but because I will even ask
Speaker 3: sometimes what the bridesmaids are wearing, because I've had an
Speaker 3: experience that I come looking like a bootleg bridesmaid because
Speaker 3: I'm wearing, you know, a navy whatever, and they're a
Speaker 3: navy too, So I think that for women you should
Speaker 3: ask that too.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the more information you have about
Speaker 1: the bride and what the bridal party is doing, the
Speaker 1: better if you are.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard don't wear red to a wedding?
Speaker 2: No? I have not.
Speaker 3: I saw that recently online. Yeah, to avoid wearing red
Speaker 3: at a wedding. I don't know, maybe it calls too
Speaker 3: much attention to yourself or maybe it's bad, like bad juju.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I saw like, oh, don't wear that.
Speaker 3: It's red. You shouldn't wear red.
Speaker 2: And I was like, Oh, that's wild.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. So maybe avoid white and red.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, No, I haven't heard that, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it does call attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I guess red does, and maybe, you know,
Speaker 3: in a good way and in a bad way, So
Speaker 3: I kind of get that. Okay, you were talking about
Speaker 3: this earlier, But opera gloves are very much back on
Speaker 3: the red carp but ar and they're back in the
Speaker 3: bridal world there.
Speaker 2: But I don't think they ever left. I think it's
Speaker 2: so chic.
Speaker 3: Oh really, Okay, I mean I guess they left.
Speaker 1: They come and go, but I think I see European
Speaker 1: brides wearing gloves.
Speaker 2: But I'm very I'm very.
Speaker 1: Strange about bridal things because that's where like my classic
Speaker 1: traditionalism comes out, because that day, to me, is not
Speaker 1: a trendy day.
Speaker 2: It's not a day to fall victim to what's trending.
Speaker 1: It's really like, when I think about anything bridal, whether
Speaker 1: it's the wedding or anything else, what are you you
Speaker 1: are going to look back at these pictures for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life?
Speaker 3: Yes, forever?
Speaker 2: What are you going to love forever? And not? Listen?
Speaker 2: Not everybody knows that, but I think you go to.
Speaker 1: The Grace Kelly's of the world, Like, yes, you go
Speaker 1: to those iconic like Kate Middleton moments, you know, and
Speaker 1: you look at like, what are your most iconic favorite
Speaker 1: bridal moments in history? Yeah, and pull off that right
Speaker 1: if that resonates with you, because you also could be
Speaker 1: Gwen Stefani and wear like a gradiated pink right Vivian Westwood,
Speaker 1: which was epic, right, it was a bit rock and roll,
Speaker 1: it was, and that's true to her and by the way,
Speaker 1: like she's still like that, So clearly I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like you have to be true to you and
Speaker 1: whoever you are at the court. But I guess my
Speaker 1: point is, think long and hard about it. I'm also
Speaker 1: very traditional about rings because they're forever, So when it
Speaker 1: comes to forever things, I'm very I would say I'm traditional.
Speaker 3: You're trend averse. What's the veil that's like the cap veil,
Speaker 3: the one from yeah or No, but like the short
Speaker 3: ones that are like very like forties retro but like
Speaker 3: doing somewhere Mad Hatter right to like Reese Witherspoon and
Speaker 3: Sweet Came Alabama.
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 3: That kind of veil. I think you should just do it,
Speaker 3: because again, when else are you doing it?
Speaker 2: Wear a veil?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Where the gloves? Where are the tiara?
Speaker 2: Where the tir? Where the gloves? Wear the veil?
Speaker 3: Yeah? If that feels right for you, because again you
Speaker 3: have to look back to your point. But if you're
Speaker 3: questioning it, yeah, just do it.
Speaker 4: Just do it?
Speaker 3: Okay? That's when?
Speaker 2: When else are you wearing gloves a tiara in a veil? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Never unless you like, well, unless you get married again yeah,
Speaker 3: or you're an actor and you dress up a lot. Okay,
Speaker 3: So you're a guest for a wedding, it says cocktail.
Speaker 3: What are some of your go to brands that you
Speaker 3: would suggest for people to look as wedding guests?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's all about budget, right, Yet I
Speaker 1: have to say, I have to say.
Speaker 3: You have four and a summer and you are on
Speaker 3: a tighter budget.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you I have helped so many
Speaker 1: people find dresses for weddings. I have also I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know this, but one of my clients
Speaker 1: is my sister Pamela.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I do that, and my mother, but my
Speaker 3: most challenging.
Speaker 2: Yes, but my sister.
Speaker 1: Is always on a budget and she has found some
Speaker 1: incredible dresses. And I think because of the wonderful thing
Speaker 1: we call shopping on the internet. Yes, yes, there are
Speaker 1: so many incredible resources to find your dream dress and
Speaker 1: then shot like search around at different sites to find
Speaker 1: the dress. And my sister, yes, and so many things
Speaker 1: are on such seal and all these things so you
Speaker 1: can get dream dresses at great markdowns at any time,
Speaker 1: because wedding guest dresses are pretty seasonless for the most part.
Speaker 1: Depending but I love Alc. Alc is great and ranges
Speaker 1: in pricing. Chummy, your momo is excellent on a budget
Speaker 1: or not. They have incredible like sparkly dresses, they have
Speaker 1: great guest of they have great bridesmaids dresses. Show me
Speaker 1: your mimo is incredible and so reasonable. I love I
Speaker 1: would say Zara because I love Zara as a go
Speaker 1: to the problem is there might be a lot of
Speaker 1: other people at the wedding wearing the dress.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 2: There's that brand Bronx and Bunco. I believe it's called
Speaker 2: the ANC.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: Revolve is a great resource or guest of wedding dresses.
Speaker 3: I'll say your office. Our team is also big, big
Speaker 3: fans of shopping on the real reel for something vintage.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, I want to talk about that reel is amazing
Speaker 1: because you can get your dream dress and be great
Speaker 1: the environments yep, at a great price. Shoes as well,
Speaker 1: and jewelry and bags. Also rent the runway any places
Speaker 1: like that. Janet Mandel. Here in La New York Chicago,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that have rental.
Speaker 3: Houses now for events like this.
Speaker 1: Because especially in your late twenties, mid to late twenties,
Speaker 1: you're rolling with the same group of people to most
Speaker 1: of these events. You can't you don't want to wear
Speaker 1: the same dress every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yep.
Speaker 1: I think there's some grace for repeat totally, but ideally
Speaker 1: you want to wear it one.
Speaker 3: You don't want the you don't want the friend group
Speaker 3: picture to look the same at everybody's wedding now because
Speaker 3: everyone's wearing the same thing. No, those are great, Those
Speaker 3: are great options. I also love that brand Study. They've
Speaker 3: got really cute guests, and I think they do a
Speaker 3: little bridal collection.
Speaker 1: Stott is great, I know the founder, and then also
Speaker 1: kult Gaya is.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's gorgeous to but it reaches a price,
Speaker 3: it does.
Speaker 1: It really does arrange in price, and I find a
Speaker 1: lot of these designers start in the twos and go
Speaker 1: up obviously way higher. But yeah, I think you can
Speaker 1: get a beautiful dress for you know, for the prece
Speaker 1: you're looking for for sure, oh for everyone.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's leave the listeners with some bridal inspoll. Okay,
Speaker 3: So we were talking about Sofia Ritchie's wedding, yes last year, Yes,
Speaker 3: which if you didn't see it, you might be living
Speaker 3: under a rock.
Speaker 2: You are living under something.
Speaker 3: But she was married at Rachel's dream location, yes, Hotel
Speaker 3: two cop in the south of France on the French Riviera.
Speaker 2: God help me.
Speaker 3: She wore a custom channel eight of them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: she had multiple and she.
Speaker 1: Was just the most flushing, beautiful, beautiful bride. To be honest,
Speaker 1: I think the thing that was so epic about Sophia
Speaker 1: and Listen. I've known Sophia since she was three years old.
Speaker 1: She is a wonderful, kind, sweet, beautiful girl woman, young woman,
Speaker 1: now married and about to have a baby, to have
Speaker 1: a baby. But she approached her wedding the way you
Speaker 1: dream too, which is blissfully happy. She's madly in love
Speaker 1: with her husband, as one should be. But there was
Speaker 1: an overall tone to her wedding weekend which was this
Speaker 1: very like Bardeux on the French riviera. But more importantly,
Speaker 1: there was an effortlessness to every single look she wore,
Speaker 1: and I think that was clearly her.
Speaker 2: Intention, I think.
Speaker 1: Was to not be this fussy, uptight bridal looks. I
Speaker 1: think it was really meant to be historical, classic, obviously
Speaker 1: very French for French riviera, chanel all over the place,
Speaker 1: and it was magical and it was.
Speaker 2: Done flawless, really flawless.
Speaker 3: Okay, So who were some of your other like bridal icons.
Speaker 3: I mean, Carolyn Bassett Kennedy Listen was a whole movement.
Speaker 3: I feel like in the nineties minimal.
Speaker 1: Carolyn Bessett Kennedy also wore gloves, didn't she I think
Speaker 1: she might have warn Gloves.
Speaker 2: With her right love dress.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure she did.
Speaker 1: But I have to say the thing about the thing
Speaker 1: about Carolyn Bessett Kennedy makes she rest in peace because
Speaker 1: still one of the most tragic things ever happened.
Speaker 3: But she literally yes, you were sheer gloves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing about Krolyn Bassett, She's everything I'm not.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I was so obsessed with
Speaker 1: her and her look because it.
Speaker 2: Was like barely any makeup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the most simple, beautiful bride of Like it's just iconic.
Speaker 1: And I think she was iconic in the polar opposite
Speaker 1: way of like, you know, when we saw Kate Middleton
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 4: I want to say, it's it's the junct juxtaposition of
Speaker 4: like they are American loyalty and to have such a simplistic, classic, clean,
Speaker 4: minimal look and feel.
Speaker 3: Is is cool.
Speaker 2: It's just cool, like, so don't forget.
Speaker 1: At that time, I think it was late nineties, was
Speaker 1: also the Cape Moss era and Kate Moss would wear
Speaker 1: like a John Golliano or a Calvin Klein, you know,
Speaker 1: slip dress with her hair just like she wrote back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and beautiful little kitten heels or whatever, and yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's it and like a sheer gloss call it a
Speaker 1: day for a red lip, matt red lip, you know,
Speaker 1: and so epically beautiful.
Speaker 2: But I think those are iconic moments.
Speaker 1: I think when you think of Grace Kelly, I know
Speaker 1: I do when I think of Kate Middleton.
Speaker 2: When I think of.
Speaker 3: Well and Grace Kelly, I mean, you were at Paris
Speaker 3: Hilton's wedding, yes, and that Oscar de la Reenta was there.
Speaker 3: It looked to be very inspired by it was, and
Speaker 3: Fernando and Laura Kim designed that for Paris along with
Speaker 3: so many of her other looks that night, and I.
Speaker 1: Was there and she was legitimately flawless. She was the
Speaker 1: most beautiful, like handy, glowing angel of a bride and
Speaker 1: that dress was absolute perfection. It was a dream and
Speaker 1: it was a Grace Kelly moment. And that's, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's what she was going for. And truthfully, like I
Speaker 1: couldn't have imagined a more perfect moment for her, Like
Speaker 1: it's what she should look like, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna close it out with this question for you,
Speaker 3: who in the world of entertainment or pop culture or
Speaker 3: fashion or whatever, has not been a bride yet that
Speaker 3: you're excited to see as a bride one.
Speaker 1: Day, Zendeo. I think she's gonna have a moment of moments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine the train would be Cathedral L.
Speaker 3: Because I mean, you do get the sense with her
Speaker 3: that she really loves it and appreciates going for it,
Speaker 3: So you know, she would.
Speaker 1: Write it every turn if you're not doing it because
Speaker 1: it is too much work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot much.
Speaker 3: It's a lot work. And yes, to answer your question,
Speaker 3: I don't think Sanna Miller's ever been a bride yet
Speaker 3: that I know of, but my hair hero forever.
Speaker 2: Always pulled a picture of her recent blonde for you.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I love her blonde. She's good.
Speaker 2: Sienna is our ultimate cool girl.
Speaker 3: Ultimate cool girl. Okay, Well, I hope we were able
Speaker 3: to impart some knowledge wisdom help on everyone who is
Speaker 3: trying to get themselves dressed and as we mentioned, their
Speaker 3: partner's dressed for wedding season coming up. So good luck
Speaker 3: out there. And you know, like Rachel said, don't wear white,
Speaker 3: just don't wear white.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, Okay, everyone, I hope this episode helped answer
Speaker 1: some of your wedding fashion questions or provided you with
Speaker 1: a little inspiration. Thank you so much for listening to
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