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Speaker 1: That is, we're done with the suspensions. Tyler. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what your choice is. Either eat it

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Speaker 1: on a train and get them off the books, or

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Speaker 1: do something because you're wasting a bench spot on a

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Speaker 1: guy who deserves more opportunity. Yeah, that's kind of the way.

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Speaker 1: Maybe who knows, you know, maybe a team out there

430
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Speaker 1: could be looking for a bab but there's just so

431
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Speaker 1: much money involved. It's gonna be interesting. I think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a storyline to pay attention to this year.

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Speaker 1: One name you actually mentioned, h von Grissom. You know

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Speaker 1: von Grissom's actually yeah, yes, Christian Campbell. He's been hitting

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Speaker 1: a little bit as of late, but soon is von

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Speaker 1: Grissom a little bit? They he's been picking up the bat.

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Speaker 1: Could you see a scenario where, you know, let's say,

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Speaker 1: Campbell maybe starts to slow down here a little bit.

439
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Speaker 1: Maybe they feel like he needs a little time. Could

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Speaker 1: you see von Grissom at second base on opening deck.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'd be pretty surprised at this point

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Speaker 1: in time. I think he's been passed on the depth

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Speaker 1: chart by David Hamilton. And yeah, listen, I think von Grissom, unfortunately,

444
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Speaker 1: how things played out last year twenty twenty four was

445
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Speaker 1: so crucial for him. And you know, you go back

446
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Speaker 1: to the start of last season, nobody saw what Christian

447
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Speaker 1: Campbell was going to do except maybe the Socks prospect guys,

448
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Speaker 1: and even they didn't see it to this level. The

449
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Speaker 1: guy became, I guess, breaking out prospect in the sport.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing the numbers. I'm sorry sorry to cut

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Speaker 1: you off there. I have to bring this up. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, like I remember even seeing the numbers

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Speaker 1: and thinking like, I remember Matthew Lugo was putting up

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Speaker 1: great numbers. Yeah, I remember. But then it was the

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Speaker 1: picture I saw of Christian Campbell, Like, holy cow, this guy.

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Speaker 1: What is this guy eating? Holy Okay, yep, that guy.

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Speaker 1: That's the guy right there. Sorry, go on, I needed

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Speaker 1: to get that in. You nailed it when we interviewed

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Speaker 1: him in Worcester last year. You stood next to him

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, this guy like body

461
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Speaker 1: like he you know, not the biggest jack guy, but

462
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Speaker 1: a body that is a man, body that is strong, athletic,

463
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Speaker 1: can do a lot of different things and also just

464
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Speaker 1: crush baseballs. And especially with him being in the first

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Speaker 1: year such massive swing changes which shut out to Jason

466
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Speaker 1: Oakhart drive line. You know, when he came to the

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Speaker 1: Red Sox and hein Bloom hired him going into twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. I think that is one of the most

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Speaker 1: underrated hires in the entire sport the last three or

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Speaker 1: four years because he brought in this core for philosophy

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Speaker 1: that has essentially back to back years you had the

472
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Speaker 1: biggest breakout prospect in the sport. That is such a

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Speaker 1: crazy thing to do, and it makes me sit here

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Speaker 1: and now I think even people when they get drafted,

475
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Speaker 1: it's like, dude, if you go to there, they can

476
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Speaker 1: take you from maybe an interesting bat to you know,

477
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Speaker 1: one of the better bats than all of the minor leagues.

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Speaker 1: And I think right now for the Red Sox and

479
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Speaker 1: where they're at with von Grissom, it's just he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a ton of positional flexibility. And I was hoping

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Speaker 1: to see him at left field or third base to

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Speaker 1: make him, you know, a more logical guy to keep

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Speaker 1: on the bench, But right now, for a second base

484
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Speaker 1: only guy that is still probably needs every day at bats,

485
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Speaker 1: and he's still so young to keep him growing, I

486
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Speaker 1: think the best place for him is Worcester, and hey,

487
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Speaker 1: if injuries caused something to happen, that's one thing. But

488
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Speaker 1: if he goes down to Triple A and he mashes

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Speaker 1: like he did the last month of the year, or

490
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Speaker 1: like he did in twenty twenty three with Atlanta at

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Speaker 1: Triple A, then you ship him as you know, a

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Speaker 1: second or third piece maybe in a deal, and that's

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Speaker 1: going to be needed at the tray deadline in some capacity.

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Speaker 1: And he's still so young. I think, like I feel

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Speaker 1: like there's some fatigue with von Grissom, not even just

496
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Speaker 1: with the Red Sox, but just in Major League Baseball

497
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Speaker 1: in general, because he's a name. You know, your Braves

498
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Speaker 1: fans were you know, just gassing this guy up, you

499
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Speaker 1: know for years. You think Winson got taken to the moon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like there is a little fatigue

501
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Speaker 1: with him at this point. But I think that's probably

502
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Speaker 1: the right way to go. I know Cora really wants

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Speaker 1: to give him a chance. He is someone where you know,

504
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Speaker 1: when we spoke earlier in the offseason, he said he

505
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Speaker 1: feels like Grissom needs a mulligan. But you know, in

506
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Speaker 1: the end, the way the cookie crumbles is not, you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes the way we all want. But no, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the where. That's where I'm at too. I think

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Speaker 1: he's really just depth at this point, and if he

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Speaker 1: gets a chance, maybe he can take advantage. You know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what there is another position out there. And

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Speaker 1: I think this is actually very interesting, maybe a little

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Speaker 1: less interesting now because of this plague that has been

514
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Speaker 1: running through the Red Sox clubhouse. But Willi or Bray

515
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Speaker 1: had an illness gastro intestinal illness coming into spring training,

516
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Speaker 1: lost a lot of weight. Same thing appened von Grissom

517
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Speaker 1: last year. I lost a lot of weight after getting

518
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Speaker 1: the flu. But will you or bray, he's very behind

519
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Speaker 1: at this point. I as of the last I read,

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Speaker 1: he hadn't even swung a bat. I think he was

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Speaker 1: working on tracking pitches. But you know, there was at

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Speaker 1: one point I was thinking, maybe this could be a

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Speaker 1: chance for Roman Anthony here right and this was a

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Speaker 1: guy I think me and you had tweeted out that

525
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Speaker 1: something very similar about how he's getting on base and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, like, I mean, this guy's you just

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Speaker 1: watched Roman at the plate. He just just looks like

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Speaker 1: he plays the part. He just looks the part. But

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Speaker 1: then he ended up getting sick, so now loses on top. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my goodness, goodness gracious. But so

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Speaker 1: now right field, you know, my hopeful pick of maybe

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Speaker 1: Roman Anthony's surprising people, I'm not so sure. Maybe they

533
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Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna need a little bit more time,

534
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Speaker 1: go back to Worcester to start the year, really build

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Speaker 1: himself back up again. But now, right field, you know

536
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Speaker 1: this is interesting. You know, Trace Thompson, he's come to

537
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox on an invite here looking like Barry

538
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Speaker 1: Bonds this spring training. You know, how do you see

539
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Speaker 1: this shaking out? You know, could you see a situation where,

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Speaker 1: you know, could we maybe see maybe even like Duran

541
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Speaker 1: maybe go over to right field or something like that.

542
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Speaker 1: Maybe that could be a way of Yoshida's shoulder is healthy,

543
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Speaker 1: maybe he can get out in the left field. Or

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Speaker 1: could you see someone like Trace Thompson kind of being

545
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Speaker 1: that stop gap kind of a guy until William Brady's

546
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Speaker 1: ready to go. I think there's a possibility. And I

547
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Speaker 1: look at the recent mcadnum report talking about the Red

548
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Speaker 1: Sox are looking for right handed outfield depth. I think

549
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Speaker 1: you can read that two different ways. I think you

550
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Speaker 1: can either look at that as hey, we might put

551
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Speaker 1: Trace Thompson on the opening day roster for two weeks.

552
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Speaker 1: It's awesome that he is Barry Bonds of spring training.

553
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Speaker 1: But we know how it goes with these kind of

554
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Speaker 1: Quadruple A baseball players, Like they have a ridiculous spring,

555
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: something clicks, the season starts and they don't do anything,

556
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Speaker 1: and they're back to showing you why they were in

557
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Speaker 1: Triple A the previous season. And to Trace Thompson's credit.

558
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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago with the Dodgers, he had

559
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Speaker 1: a insanity run that was pretty special. But I took

560
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Speaker 1: that report as two things. It's either we're gonna grab

561
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Speaker 1: an outfielder that gets cut or has an opt out

562
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Speaker 1: and we'll bring him in, or hey, we're going to

563
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Speaker 1: bring Trace Thompson. We want someone we can stick in

564
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Speaker 1: triple A, so when we have to DFA him in

565
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: two or three weeks, the depth doesn't change. And I

566
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: think a lot of that is going to kind of

567
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: involve what happens at second base with Christian Campbell in

568
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: that entire scenario right now. But I think if Campbell

569
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem ready and they're kind of leaning towards, you know,

570
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Speaker 1: a David Hamilton over there, it might make a lot

571
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Speaker 1: of sense for them to you know, ride out a

572
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Speaker 1: two week outfield option they pick up or Trace. But

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Speaker 1: I think they're looking for depth out there because a

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Speaker 1: Bray you're being ready. I know, he keeps saying he's

575
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Speaker 1: going to be Yeah. I have a very hard time

576
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Speaker 1: seeing it, and I feel for him because there was

577
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Speaker 1: an opportunity for him to face left handers to spring

578
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: that Yeah, I think was his last chance to say

579
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Speaker 1: like you weren't gonna play, you know, you weren't gonna

580
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: basically make it so they weren't gonna go to Roman Anthony,

581
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: but to show that, hey, I'm an everyday guy. I

582
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Speaker 1: want to make it almost impossible for them to kind

583
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Speaker 1: of push someone above me or take me out of

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Speaker 1: the lineup. Hell, I just want to gold glove in

585
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: the hardest right field in baseball. Now, it's like he's

586
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna get a slow start. It's gonna be late by

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Speaker 1: that time. You know, if he's ready, may first, Roman

588
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Anthony might be kicking the door down. And honestly, I

589
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Speaker 1: think it's sooner rather than later with him. He looks

590
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Speaker 1: ready for the big leagues right now. Oh just the

591
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'm watching one of the games this spring,

592
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: just watching him at bat. I'm like, this guy looks

593
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Speaker 1: like he's been in the majors, like for years, like

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Speaker 1: it just a good frame, just looks the part, like

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Speaker 1: I said, kind of reminds me the situation of you know,

596
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Speaker 1: go back to you know, one of your favorite years,

597
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Speaker 1: one of your favorite championships. Well after that, after the

598
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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven season, you know, we saw Jacobe

599
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Speaker 1: Elsbury completely break down that door in O seven, you

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Speaker 1: go to eight, you know you're still looking at you know, Coco, Coco, Crisp,

601
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Speaker 1: Who's You're still your guy? But you knew Halsbury was

602
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: right there and you knew it was only a matter

603
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Speaker 1: of time. It kind of almost feels like that in

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Speaker 1: a way where you know, it feels like the clock

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Speaker 1: is ticking here. I'm William or Brady and it's unfortunate

606
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: to see how this shook out. Unfortunately, we had another

607
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Speaker 1: injury here today. Lots of injuries. Man, it's just one

608
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: thing I hate about spring training. Yeah good good, You know,

609
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say fun to talk about, but

610
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Speaker 1: it gives you something to talk about, the injuries and whatnot.

611
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: Like we had Garrett Cole recently. But the Red Sox

612
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: they could not avoid the injury bug in the rotation

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Speaker 1: Cutter Crawford, Brian Bayo, they've been pushed back here credit

614
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Crawford actually might be missing a bit of time, but

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Speaker 1: bo along with now Lucas Giolito, looks like they're gonna

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Speaker 1: miss you know, Giolito maybe a start, maybe two, Bayo

617
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: maybe around the same. But right now, the way the

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00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: rotation is shaking out for opening day. You're looking like

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Speaker 1: you got maybe Richard Fitz, maybe Quinn Priester, maybe looking

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Speaker 1: like the likely candidates for the four and five spot.

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Speaker 1: How are you feeling about the rotation going into twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five? How do you feel about Fitz and priest

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Speaker 1: Or maybe getting a shot. I'll be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sweating much. I know it's a little scary

625
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: to see these kind of injuries, but you know, I

626
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Speaker 1: look at a team like the Yankees, you lose your

627
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: ace in Garrickle, right. You look at the Orioles, who

628
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: have an old man rotation with Sagano and Charlie Moore

629
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Speaker 1: in at forty one, they're begging for Grayson Rodriguez to

630
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: be this ace, their young arm, so that you know

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00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: they can right off not paying Corbyn burns and now

632
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: his elbows barking and he's getting a quarterzone shot. You know,

633
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Speaker 1: the top three of the Red Sox rotation I still

634
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: think is in a place right now where you know

635
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Speaker 1: there's no need to panic when you have the likes

636
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Speaker 1: of Crochet and how two guys who got cy young

637
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: votes a year ago, and we're you know, strong true

638
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: one and two and then Bueller, who has looked really

639
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: strong so far in camp. You're not sweating too much,

640
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: And I think Bao could easily push himself into that three.

641
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: If you see what he did in the second half

642
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: last year after adding the four seemer it was like

643
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: a three six e ra. That's Brian Baot. To me,

644
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where he slots in. He

645
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: but to have the depth you have now, it's a

646
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: completely different story about what the last few years have then.

647
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: I remember in twenty three in a very similar situation,

648
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Packson grabs his hamstring first game back on the mound.

649
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: It was like, man, that's it. It was like, we

650
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: do not have a way to survive this, right, So

651
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: not only with you know, Bao and gi Alito. They're

652
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: out one to two starts. It's not a lengthy thing

653
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: like those other two pitchers I named on the Yankees

654
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: and the Orioles, you know this, or even like a

655
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: Louis heel injury that's going to take him probably to

656
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: about the All Star break or something like that. You

657
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: can get by for two to three weeks at a time.

658
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: And I think it's even easier when you look at

659
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: Richard fitzhu Out of the young arms, he's probably the

660
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: arm that has popped the most of spring, you know,

661
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: adding two more pitches to his arsenal, getting up to

662
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: ninety nine. And I've had a lot of concerns about

663
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: fits in his ability to miss bats. It was a

664
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: three point nine k per nine in his final four

665
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: starts last year, an issue that existed at trip A right,

666
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, and I want to see what he looks

667
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: like over four five innings. Is the v lo ticks down,

668
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: but he's reached an echelon of law that we didn't

669
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: think was there, or at least he didn't have. And

670
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: he put in a ton of work on his shoulder

671
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: and was working out at Fenway all off season. And

672
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: then Quinn Priester. The velocity jump isn't as significant, but

673
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: it is up. You know, Pirates fans told me we'd

674
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: never see him hit ninety seven again, and you know,

675
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: first couple outings out there, he'll top out there, and

676
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: it's more ninety four to ninety five with the cutter

677
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: he's much more comfortable with. I think both of those

678
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: young arms are the difference of Craig Breslow's philosophy and

679
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the roster building they've done, and to have those two

680
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: there and then Chriswell and Dobbins waiting at Triple A,

681
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: you could do way worse. They can definitely survive a

682
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And I think Core said as much today.

683
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: We're just at a different place as an organization than

684
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: we have been, you know, really this decade. Yeah, I

685
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of credit. You know, a lot of

686
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: people were getting on to Craig at one point, you know,

687
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: there were no moves being made, and yeah, I think

688
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: even Shared at one point said, you know, starting to

689
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: question the ability, you know, can he close? You know,

690
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: like that was it was becoming sort of something there.

691
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: But when you look back at this season, obviously what

692
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: they were able to achieve, and you know, but looking

693
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: at just the depth that they've built, you know, you

694
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: gave up. I don't know how the heck the Yankees

695
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: gave up, you know, someone like Fits for Verdugo. I'm

696
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: looking back at that. I know, hindsight is a is

697
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: a nice thing to have, but I remember thinking at

698
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: the time, like, man, you just gave up like a

699
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: top fifteen prospect here in Fits and you're getting one

700
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: year of Verdugo I'm thinking like now you look back

701
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: on that and you're like, okay, well, you know, give

702
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: a lot of credit to Craig for pulling that off,

703
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: you know. So really, you know, it's Dugal sitting out

704
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: there right now hoping for a job. He's still waiting.

705
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: He got Weissert in that deal, you know as well.

706
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: And look at Weisert. He's had a very strong spring

707
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: and a very strong finish to last year too. Yeah,

708
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, and getting you know a priest as well.

709
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: You know, I was a big nick York fan. I

710
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: was really thinking like this guy at one point could

711
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: be you know, maybe your second basement of the future.

712
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: I hope he does very well in Pittsburgh. But you

713
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: turned a guy that was blocked in your system who

714
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: you know it was, It was coming up on a

715
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: roster crunch anyway, and you turned him into you know,

716
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: Quinn priest or, who was you know, a high draft

717
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: pick at one point, who maybe you could turn around,

718
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, change the scenery kind of a guy. So,

719
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of credit to Craig there. But

720
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: speaking at the pitching, when we take a look at

721
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: the bullpen, yes, I am more comfy, like you said,

722
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: with the rotation the bullpen. I have all off season

723
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: been thinking, okay, like I don't know, I feel like

724
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: something's missing back there. And who knows, maybe that piece

725
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: that you know could be missing. You know, maybe that's

726
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: already there, you know, somewhere in that bullpen that could

727
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: emerge at some point. But you know, right now, Liam Hendricks,

728
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Russ showing. I feel like he

729
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: could still work through that chatman. You know, he's been

730
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: all right, He's walked a few guys this spring. You know,

731
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: a guy like Slayton could be one of those guys

732
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: that could emerge as as your guy at the back

733
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: end of the bullpen. But right now, kind of what

734
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the bullpen? And you know, if I

735
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: were to ask you this, who do you think ends

736
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: up getting the first save of twenty twenty five and

737
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: who do you think ends up getting the majority of

738
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: the saves this year? It's a great question. The first

739
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: save I think will go to Liam Hendricks. I think

740
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: they're going to try to ride it out. And you know, listen,

741
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: he's given an earn run up in his last three outings.

742
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's had a strikeout in his last

743
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: two and Cora has kind of stepped up again and

744
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: again saying I'm not worried, like he's working through stuff.

745
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: He hasn't pitched in two years, which is a very

746
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: fair criticism. What worries me more is the velocity. Right

747
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: he's topped out at ninety six. If you go back

748
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: to his last full season, which was twenty twenty two,

749
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: at this point, he was averaging right around ninety seven

750
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: and a half, actually a tick above. So the fact

751
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: that he's sitting more ninety four ninety five, and even

752
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: earlier in outings as closer to ninety three, as he

753
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: spoke with mass Live about today, that is a bit

754
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: worrisome for me. So, but I think they'll give him

755
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: the respect to, you know, going out there. Let's see

756
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: what it looks like with adrenaline. You know, the regular season.

757
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: We keep saying, when the lights turn on, do you

758
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden get to that ninety seven ninety eight,

759
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: because I think that's the stuff one or two ticks

760
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: for a lot of these guys. Is the difference there,

761
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: really is between being a ninth inning arm and you know,

762
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: your fringy seventh inning arm that you rotate again and again,

763
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: and you hope with more reps he becomes that guy.

764
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: And it's just he's such a positive dude. It feels

765
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: like he has that kind of energy you want at

766
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: the back of the bullpen, that wildness, the experience as well.

767
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: But I think ultimately Justin Slayton's going to be the

768
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: guy who takes that role over. I think he's baby

769
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: Chris Martin. You look at the walk rate last year

770
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: was like one point five walk per nine out of

771
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: a closer. I want a guy with nasty stuff who

772
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: missus bats and doesn't walk anyone. That is Justin Slayton's

773
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: m And if you want a young guy that you

774
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: have control over. Another great find by Craig Breslo that

775
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: did not get enough attention throughout last year, but especially

776
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: before the season through the Rule five draft. I think

777
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: Slayton's going to kind of evolve into that role. And

778
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: he reminds me a lot. You know, you look at

779
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: that twenty twenty one whitlock and I think he's going

780
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: to be a weapon. The they're going to use him

781
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: two three, you know, innings at a time to finish

782
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: a game off and reset the pen. I think you're

783
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: gonna see slat in his almost the bullpen Whitlock that

784
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: never got forced to the rotation, and what that pathway

785
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: would look like. And I think I wouldn't shy away

786
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: from trying to get him on an extension. It's something

787
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: very cheap, because uh, I think his price is only

788
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: going to go up as he starts racking up those saves.

789
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: And when you have saves next to your name, that's money, man,

790
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: it is. And uh, you know, I'm glad you brought

791
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: up you know, Garrett Whitlock. You know Whitlock man. Yeah,

792
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: I was always I was you know, I know there

793
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: was a lot of people that were on the other

794
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: side of this, but I was always on the side

795
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: where I would just wanted Whitlock to stay in the bullpen.

796
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, go back a few years twenty twenty one.

797
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: He was so good in the bullpen and then they

798
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: tried doing the starter thing and I was like, okay,

799
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: all right, I'm okay with it. But I saw what

800
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: happened with papal Bond back in two thousand and six,

801
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: and uh it was like this. I swear, it's like

802
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: I was reliving that because like he because he was

803
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: being he came up. You know he was coming out

804
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: of the bullpen, but then they wanted to have him,

805
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, be a starter, but he wanted to be

806
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: in the bullpen and they eventually just left him there

807
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: because he was so good in that role and he

808
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: and he wanted to be the more. Yeah, and like

809
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: for Whitlock, I think that was like the difference in

810
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: a lot of ways right where like there was clearly

811
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, he had come up as a starter and

812
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a starter again at some point.

813
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: The whole reason when they took him in rule five was, yeah,

814
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna use him three innings at a time to

815
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: protect him. And for an organization that had no starting

816
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: pitching at the time, it was like, yeah, we get

817
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: through this year, he builds his arm up and stays healthy,

818
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: we should be in a spot where you know, he

819
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: can be that starter. We can't develop And then you

820
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: go back to like, you know, twenty twenty two, that

821
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: early may start against the Angels. If people remember what

822
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: he looked like, I don't think he gave up a

823
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: hit until the fifth inning and someone took him deep.

824
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember off the top of my head, but

825
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 1: it was like one of those outings where you sat

826
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: back and it was like he was pumping ninety seven

827
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: ninety eight for five innings. Yeah, you quickly realized he

828
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: couldn't maintain that over five and elbow starts. I think

829
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: Bailey did a great job last year, and I was

830
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: off the starting train after twenty twenty three. I was

831
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: one of those people, unfortunately that wanted him in the

832
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: rotation that entire time. Like I was okay with it

833
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: at one point, but I felt like you were in

834
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: a situation where he had the tools, the makeup, you know,

835
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: idol was Rick Purcello. He wanted to be that kind

836
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: of warhorse, and then twenty twenty four it seems like, oh,

837
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: they figured the stuff out for him to survive out

838
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 1: there with the bullet slider, and then you realize, again,

839
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: four starts in one ninety sixty or he can't stay healthy,

840
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: and that's what it isn't That's why Whitlock at the

841
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: end of the year went to Core and said, I

842
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: want to be a reliever. That's a complete tune change

843
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: from the guy who wanted to be a starter, you know,

844
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: and now hopefully you can still make good on that

845
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: contract too. There's still a lot of that value there,

846
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: even though he didn't become, you know, the number three

847
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: starter they were hoping for. Yeah. You know another guy

848
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: that I actually have my eye on, who's actually he's

849
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: having a decent spring is that Michael Folmer. You know,

850
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: this is the guy where they brought him in last

851
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: year and uh, you know, people, I I you know,

852
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: the negativity last offseason. I still have another minor league deal,

853
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: Robbie or kidding man poverty franchise, Like, really, this is

854
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: the big splash Michael Folmer. He's not even pitching this year.

855
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, if I see cheap socks one more time,

856
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna absolutely lose it. It was him and Hendrix.

857
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: I think like they were like ten days within each

858
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: other or something. Yeah, but the Fomer one that really

859
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: got people going. I think I thought I was the

860
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: only one where I'm like, okay, Like he's been all

861
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: right in the bullpen in the last couple of years. Yeah,

862
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: so you know, I wonder if maybe he could end

863
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: up having a roll in this bullpen this year. But

864
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: either way, I'm not too worried about the bullpen right now.

865
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: But I think, uh, you know, you kind of just

866
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: want to I'm a big role guy. Not Yes, I

867
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: love my my bread rolls with with with some butter

868
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: on it too, But I like the roles in the bullpen, right,

869
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: I'm a a big guy on you know what inning?

870
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: Are you going? You know what's your spot? Yeah? You know,

871
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: mix it around here and there. But I think that

872
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: is more of the question mark here is who's where,

873
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: Who's going what inning? And I think the way they've

874
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: handled their pitching staff. You know we saw it last year.

875
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: You know, sure they faded down the stretch. Obviously the

876
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: bullpen had their issues in the second half, But I

877
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: don't know. I just think they got a lot to

878
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: work with here, and I just think they're in a

879
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: better place. But I will ask one more thing before

880
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: we start to wrap things up here. If we were

881
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: to maybe think about some players here where you know

882
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: some players that you like that maybe how do I

883
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: word this? Maybe that are people aren't focusing on them

884
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: too much? You know? Who are some players? Or is

885
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: there one player that comes to mind where you like

886
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: that player that maybe some people aren't thinking of. I

887
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: don't know, if I'd categorize them in the not thinking

888
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: of category, I'd probably throw an so guard if you're

889
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: looking for like that underrated guy, because I just think

890
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: he is the definition of like a guy who sticks

891
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: in the big leagues for ten years. As a utility player.

892
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: You can go out in the outfield, second third, hustles well,

893
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: can steal a bag, switch hitter, puts up just professional

894
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: it bats, you know what I mean. And you know,

895
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: I think even what we saw at the end of

896
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: last year, while the numbers weren't great, you never felt

897
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: nervous when Nick Sogard was out in the field. It

898
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: was like, all right, this guy, he's just a professional

899
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: out there, and he's had a great spring. He's on

900
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: some Ryan Fitzgerald type vibes. Where clocked a couple homers,

901
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's gonna quite be the guy

902
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: who lands on the opening day roster, but he's someone

903
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: if you told me he plays thirty or forty games

904
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: and gets you through a tough part of the season

905
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: when everybody was hurt and down, I wouldn't be shocked.

906
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: You need those kind of guys on your bench, even

907
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: if it isn't on opening day. But if you're asking me,

908
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: you know, for someone I really like and I'm excited about, Listen,

909
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: I know people are already guessing what I'm gonna say.

910
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: It's Trists and Cossus. I am a Tristan Cossus fan boy.

911
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn people can complain. I'm proud

912
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: of it, and guess what, I think I'm gonna end

913
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: up looking pretty good for it. You know, I go

914
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: back to even last year and I thought the handling

915
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: of him down the stretch was extremely confusing and extremely frustrating.

916
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: You have Connor Wong and Danny Jansen being you know,

917
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: pushed into the lineup and him sitting, you know, against lefties.

918
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did we forget that Tristan Cossas had at

919
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: a thousand ops in the second half of twenty twenty three.

920
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: He was a top ten hitter in the sport. That's

921
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: how good that guy was. He was the one who

922
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: stepped up in June and July when they were kind

923
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: of on the fridges, and you could tell at that time,

924
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, the Red Sox were considering selling, people wanted

925
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: them to sell, and he played so well. It was

926
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: really him and Turner that tim at the deadline as

927
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: he was getting pressure to sell because they wouldn't give

928
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: him money to spend. He sat back and said, hey,

929
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: these guys earned the chance to keep competing and going

930
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: out there, and he was at the front of it.

931
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: He was the best hitter on the team at that point.

932
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: It was a higher OPS plus and Rafael Evers you

933
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: know for that season, but even last year before he

934
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: got hurt, it was a one thirty two WRC plus.

935
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Last year you look at the you know, first basement

936
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: in MLB, that would be a top five offensive season

937
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: from a first basement before the cartilage or injury. You

938
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: give him a full offseason now where yes, he was

939
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: in trade rumors. You know, I think there was a

940
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: real interest in the Red Sox side for Devors to

941
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: go to first base because I think they knew there

942
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: was gonna be complications putting him at DH. And you know,

943
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: I think the Vladdie thing is hanging over everything where

944
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: they know he wants to be here. And we know

945
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: for the Red Sox, if you're twenty six, twenty seven, yeah,

946
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna put money on the table. They're comfortable talking

947
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: long term deals there. That's it. And I think with

948
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Tristan coass is here right now, he has a chance

949
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: to just go bonkers this season and he doesn't even

950
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: have to be the guy we saw in the second

951
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: half of twenty twenty three. We're just talking about, you know,

952
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: being one of the better offensive first basemen in all

953
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: of baseball. If he's what he was the first month

954
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: before he got hurt last year, just got to lower

955
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: the case a little bit. And I do like what

956
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: we've been hearing about him trying to push the ball

957
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: the monster with some different hitting mechanics. And hell, he

958
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: had a home run yesterday and if you were listening

959
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: to the broadcast, he got robbed of a second one.

960
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says. They all said that

961
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: ball was fair and you can't challenge it during spring training.

962
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: So we'll take our moral victories. But I think Tristan

963
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Costa is in that fourth spot in this lineup, has

964
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: a chance to do some serious damage. And I think

965
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: there is a Joey Vado esque ceiling there if he

966
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: completely gets Aaron. Hey, if you shoot for that and

967
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: you land amongst the stars, guess what, You're still one

968
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: of the better first basement in baseball. Yeah, I think

969
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: I almost think of Costas as like a like a

970
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: like a bigger Joey Vado in a way, like a

971
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: little bit more strikeouts, but like I could definitely see

972
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: that with Kassas. For me, I'm just looking for him

973
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. That's the only thing. It's just stay

974
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: on the field, right, you know, one of the best

975
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: stats is availability. At the end of the day. If

976
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: he stays on the field, I think he's just gonna

977
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: do his thing and I think he'll be very productive.

978
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's shown he can be productive when he's healthy,

979
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: but I think that's gonna be the big thing, is

980
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: just keeping him on the field. One guy, I'll ask

981
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: you this one under the radar guy that I have

982
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: in my head is Carlos Narvas. I feel like this

983
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: is a guy where I feel like people just forget

984
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: he's on the team almost But like I feel like

985
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: that was a one of the more under the radar,

986
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: better under the radar pickups this offseason for the Red

987
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: Sox because you know, they need to approve the defense

988
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's got some decent defense there, you know.

989
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: With Wong, you know, I'm expecting some regression with the

990
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: bat and I do wonder if nirvaias you know, I'm

991
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: not sure how much he's gonna hit, but I feel

992
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: like he get into playing a pretty decent role, at

993
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: least defensively with this team. I don't know, what do

994
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: you think about that. I think you're one hundred percent right.

995
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, Aaron Boone constantly before he was dealt and

996
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: after I had to sing how great he was defensively.

997
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: And I think you saw it early in camp. It

998
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: was his second game in and you know, I can't

999
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: remember who was on the mound. It was a curveball

1000
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: on the other side or in the other batter box.

1001
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: He picks it, comes up and guns the runner at

1002
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: second with ease, and it's like, all right, that's just

1003
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: something Connor Wong isn't capable of. And then you look

1004
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: at him being one of the worst framers and blockers

1005
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: and Connor Wong in the sport, and like you said,

1006
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: you look at his Baseball Savant page, it's screams regression.

1007
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: You saw the regression in the second half alone. And

1008
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: it's nice that he added weight. Hopefully the plague going

1009
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: around doesn't take away from it. But there is something

1010
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: of a Christian Vasquez vibe with Carlos Narvaias, where hey,

1011
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: he just looks so comfortable behind the plate. And for

1012
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: an organization that's all about run prevention in helping their

1013
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: pitchers and what they've done at Triple A to just

1014
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: get these elite defenders who work great with the staff.

1015
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: Narvaias seems like their type. And they traded you know,

1016
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: Elmen Rodriguez Cruz, who wasn't as highly ranked in our system.

1017
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: You know, he's much closer to that twenty range in

1018
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: the Yankee system. I think he's a top ten prospect,

1019
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, on any list right now. So they did

1020
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: give up something of value. Speaks to how bad the

1021
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: Yankee system is too. But it's been pretty clear there's

1022
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: no one even really competing with him for that backup

1023
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: catcher job. Blake's sable doesn't feel like there's a lot

1024
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: of pressure there, and I think that speaks to how

1025
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: good Narvaias has been on the field and behind the scenes. Yeah,

1026
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: hopefully that because you know, the Red Sox they need

1027
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: to improve in that depart and you know, hopefully we'll

1028
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: see but another guy that I like, and I'm gonna

1029
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: see what you think. It's kind of I would say

1030
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: maybe a bit of heart overhead because when you look

1031
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: at the numbers, you know, metrics wise, over the last

1032
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: couple of years, you know, you're not really seeing anything

1033
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: that's jumping off the page necessarily. So that's where I'm

1034
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: kind of leaning with my heart a little bit here,

1035
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: but I'm going Trevor's story, But I think there's some

1036
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: things here where the Red Sox. If you take a

1037
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: look at the left side of the infield, it's been

1038
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: dreadful right If Bregman is indeed going to be the

1039
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: third basement long term, I think that actually helps out

1040
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: with Story because Bregman is such a good defender at

1041
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: third base, and I feel like with the story, you know,

1042
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: when you're having Raffi in the poor defense at third base,

1043
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: you feel like probably Story has to maybe you know,

1044
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: step into another gear over there to try and you know,

1045
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: take a bit more of that workload. So I feel

1046
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: like having Bregman alongside Story could end up kind of

1047
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: helping out there, you know, because you're gonna have such

1048
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: good defense on the left side. So hopefully that can

1049
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: help with story being a bit more durable throughout this

1050
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: year because Bragman can take off that take a bit

1051
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: of that workload and know, and that can hopefully lead

1052
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: to some you know what we've been hoping to see

1053
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: with the bat from Story, and he's been looking all

1054
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: right this spring. So what do you think. Did I

1055
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: make a good argument there for Trevor Story. I think

1056
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: you did. And you just look at Trevor Story. It

1057
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: does not take much for him. He just needs to

1058
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: be on the field. When you're an elite defender and

1059
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: you go get twenty bags and he has power. Am

1060
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: I ever expecting Trevor Story to hit for average at

1061
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: this point in time? No? I do not. But if

1062
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: he can hit two forty two fifty, be close to

1063
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: a league average bat and be that twenty twenty guy

1064
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: with elite defense, guess what, that's a three win player.

1065
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: You go back to even twenty twenty two, when he

1066
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: was a league average bat one hundred way to runs

1067
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: created plus, right, he played in ninety four games that season,

1068
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: still had a two point five f ward. That's it.

1069
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: If he's out there on the field, what he can

1070
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: bring in. That's the good part about Bregman in a

1071
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: lot of ways, where Bregman's in the lineup, now, he's

1072
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: going to be hitting third. That was where they were

1073
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: hoping Trevor's Story was going to slot in when they

1074
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: signed him originally. Now he's in the fifth hole. Not perfect.

1075
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: I think they're hoping Campbell or Anthony or someone steps

1076
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: into that over time, but there's less pressure on him

1077
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: to be that kind of, you know, threat at the

1078
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: top of the lineup. At this point, it's just if

1079
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: he's on the field, he is going to be a

1080
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: valuable player, and if he's worth three or four, you know,

1081
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: wins that contract. You can't get back what you already lost.

1082
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 1: But the Red Sox knew partially what they were getting

1083
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: into with the state of his elbow at the time.

1084
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: The whole sport knew it, and they decided to take

1085
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: that risk. If he's on the field, he shouldn't have

1086
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: an issue being that kind of player. And I think

1087
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: you even look at the injuries. I understand some people

1088
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: you pin injury prone on a guy, and it kind

1089
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: of is what it is. Twenty twenty two, the Red

1090
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: Sox messed up on his X rays. He was supposed

1091
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: to come off the il. He had a fracture in

1092
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: his hand, and he found out like two days before

1093
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: he was supposed to come back. You know, at the

1094
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: end of the year, he gets shut down the last

1095
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: week because he steps on the bag weird and they're

1096
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: out of it. They're like, all right, it is what

1097
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: it is, you know, kind of move on. We got

1098
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: to keep it moving. Twenty twenty three, the elbow that

1099
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: everyone new explodes. Shocker, holy crap. And they rushed him

1100
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: back when they knew he couldn't hit, just so he

1101
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: could play defense because it was that important. And then

1102
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, you go to last year, say what you will. Yeah,

1103
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: he came back and it was Babbitt bin DUIs. It

1104
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: was a three seventy three Babbitt. He was having his

1105
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: fair share of luck. He was a league average bat

1106
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: after missing almost the entire year and rushing himself back.

1107
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: So if it's healthy and it's a straight line forward

1108
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: for him, there's clearly a way for him to be

1109
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: very valuable. And there's a reason they defensively collapsed when

1110
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: he went down last year. He and Bregman, even if

1111
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: it's third and short or short and second, they were

1112
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: going to be an elite duo one way or the other. Yeah,

1113
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean, and I look at you know, let's say

1114
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: story he finds a way to stay healthy, ends up

1115
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: being a league average you know, even like let's just

1116
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: say a ninety five one hundred WRC plus in that range, Rob,

1117
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: that's Dansby Swanson. That's Dansby Swanson right there, and that's

1118
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: a plenty valuable player today. Yeah, I mean, I'll give you.

1119
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of a guy on the rival

1120
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: Yankees that just made it to a World Series that

1121
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: showed if you can just play some good defense out

1122
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: there shortstop and you know, do enough with the bat,

1123
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: you can get to a World series with Anthony Volpey.

1124
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: I think Trevor's story is capable of putting up Anthony

1125
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: Volpey kind of numbers. He had a three point four

1126
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: f war this past year. I think if story gives

1127
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: you that, I mean, you know, at least in that range,

1128
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: I think you're fine, you know so, you know. So

1129
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: that's for all the Red Sox fans that like to

1130
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: hate on Anthony Volpi that that could be our kind

1131
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: of we could have our own Vulpy. This at least

1132
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: we don't treat him like he is Derek Jeter. I

1133
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: think that's the different, right, I think that's what people

1134
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: get more of. Yeah, that is that is the difference.

1135
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: The uh, well, I forget the accounts, is there like

1136
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: a vulpy is King account if somebody like like a

1137
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: Bumpy Enjoyer or something like that, you got Cutter is King,

1138
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Cole is King. All these King accounts, I can't keep

1139
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: track of them anymore, but I'll leave you one more

1140
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: question here. I asked this of all the guests that

1141
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: have been coming on here previewing the year. Simple question.

1142
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: Right now, when you woke up this morning, how many

1143
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: wins are you seeing for the Red Sox this year

1144
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: ninety three? I think they're going to win the al least,

1145
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling pretty confident in it right now. I

1146
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: just look at what the Yankees and Oriols have gone

1147
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: through on the pitching side especially, But I think the

1148
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: Yankees lineup man Gen Carlos Stanton double tennis elbows going

1149
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: on looking like maybe the All Star break for him.

1150
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: They lost DJ Lemayew, who listen, cooked, We all understand that,

1151
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: but you know he is part of that lineup and

1152
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: what they're doing, so they're diving even deeper into the

1153
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: depth chart. When you're telling me Aaron Judges only protection

1154
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: is Cody Bellinger, who had like a seven to fifty

1155
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: oh ps and I think he's built for that New

1156
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: York Ballpark. He will definitely be better, but I don't

1157
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: think he's going to be an MVP candidate. It's just

1158
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: hard for me to get too riled up. So you're

1159
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: telling me it's a pretty unimpressive lineup that if Aaron

1160
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: Judge goes down, what are they going to do? You know,

1161
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: we talked about how thin, you know, the Red Sox

1162
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: were the last couple years if something went wrong. The

1163
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: Yankees feel that thin right now, and they do not

1164
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: have a pharm system that can you know, supplement them.

1165
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: Trevor's story goes down tomorrow. Guess what, Marcela Meyers, if

1166
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: he can stay healthy, is your starting shortstop? You know,

1167
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: a month or two in and guess what, you have

1168
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: a top fifteen prospect in the sport. The Yankees have

1169
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: a top you know or a bottom ten farm system,

1170
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: so they don't have that lurking and you know where

1171
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: their rotation is right now. Yeah, I think Max Freed

1172
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: he's an ace. I would have been happy if the

1173
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: Red Sox had signed him. But after that, we're talking

1174
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: Collis Rodin, who had a FIP around four to three

1175
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: last year. Luise Hill, who wins Rookie of the year. Cool,

1176
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: he's not going to be back to the All Star break.

1177
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Stroman they were trying to trade all off season.

1178
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: Will Warren hasn't proven anything at the big leagues. If

1179
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: you're asking me for a guy get excited about in

1180
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: that rotation, it's Clark Schmidt, who I think is one

1181
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: of the more underrated guys. But yeah, also someone who

1182
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: hasn't stayed healthy, you know, so like their bullpen Istrit Spring. Yeah,

1183
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: so like I'm kind of looking at them right now,

1184
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: and I look at the Orioles, who I just think

1185
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing how they've addressed that rotation. If they had win,

1186
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: pick care of business, they should be the favorites in

1187
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: the American League, and they didn't. I can't. I can't

1188
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: think of another situation where because usually everyone's barking at

1189
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 1: you know, ownership, but this is the opposite where the

1190
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: ownership of the Orioles gave the green light to go

1191
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: spend and Michaelias is sitting on you know, MLB executive

1192
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: burner on Twitter. I'm kidding, that's on him, hate time

1193
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: Bloom whoever it is, Yeah, not spending money and just

1194
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, running rough shot on his on his uh,

1195
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: his burner account. I don't know what's going. That's weird

1196
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: to me. Why it's very odd. Michae Elias is what

1197
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: people thought heinm Bloom was where it's like actually scared

1198
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: to put money, like say what you will and the

1199
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: contracts don't look great. But story in Yoshida that was

1200
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: real money handed out. They put out real money to

1201
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: get Chris Martin and Kenley Jansen right like the Orioles.

1202
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: Real money to them is like Tyler O'Neill, like that's

1203
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: them getting completely out of their comfort zone. And it's

1204
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: a shame because right now now that window is wide

1205
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: open for them, and unfortunately we know what this game

1206
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: is at the end of the year. It's pitching. That's

1207
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: what gets it done. And they barely have enough arms

1208
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: coming out of the gate. I don't know where the

1209
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: hell they expect to find them over the course of

1210
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: the season, and maybe they're willing to make another uncomfortable trade.

1211
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: If I was them, I'd be all over Sandy Elkintar.

1212
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: I think that would be the perfect fit for them.

1213
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: Two years. It's I think seventeen million each year. It

1214
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: would make so much sense. But they're hugging onto their prospects.

1215
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: They don't like to take money on the books. Just

1216
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: feels like such a waste of an opportunity. Yeah, and

1217
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: right now they on fan Fangrass is usually more conservative

1218
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: with their projections. But they have the Orioles right now

1219
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: at eighty three and seventy nine along with the Blue Jays.

1220
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: That's another team where I don't know what the heck's

1221
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen with that team. This year. They have the

1222
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: Red Sox at eighty five and seventy seven and the

1223
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: Yankees at eighty six and seventy six. They're still giving

1224
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: the Yankees the slight egge, I don't know, Fangrass. They

1225
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: tend to love the Yankees every year. So they were

1226
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: at eighty seven before the Garrett Colling, so now he's

1227
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: down and they only bumped it down to eighty six.

1228
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: So eh, do you agree with that? No, I'm sorry,

1229
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: I can't. I think Garrett Cole in a lot of

1230
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: ways is their identity on that pitching staff. And I

1231
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: know people like to say he has no aura and

1232
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: he's a nerd and he's laying. Garrett Cole is when

1233
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: he's on the mound, he is a figure. He is

1234
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: a presence. He is one of the greatest aces we've

1235
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: seen over the last ten or fifteen years, and there's

1236
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: a reason he got paid like he did, breaking the

1237
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: records that he did, and even through the playoff run

1238
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 1: last year what he was able to do and unfortunately

1239
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: looked like that was the end of his elbow. But

1240
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: you take that out of any rotation, there is a

1241
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: massive thing to feel in Max Free the first year

1242
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: in New York. When you go to a big market,

1243
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: you never know what the first year is going to

1244
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: look like. For a lot of guys. If you told

1245
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: me he had a hard time adjusting, would anyone be like, Oh,

1246
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm shocked, No, you wouldn't. Yeah, it's going to be

1247
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: interesting this year. But I think we can all agree

1248
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: that it's much more exciting than it's been in a

1249
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: long time. I was telling Jared when he came on

1250
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: the show. It feels like a bit of a mix

1251
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: of multiple years for me, because you know, you look

1252
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: at two thousand and seven, they did spend you know,

1253
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: quite a bit on that team, you know, with Dice,

1254
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: k jd Drew, Julio Lugo. Now did they go to

1255
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: that extent this offseason? Maybe not quite right. They made

1256
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: a couple of great moves, but still that same kind

1257
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: of feel where they addressed a few areas there by

1258
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: spending some money. But then you also look at even

1259
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: like twenty thirteen, where there's still like in some areas

1260
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: where a little uncertainty a little bit, but you still

1261
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: feel like they could turn into something. I kind of

1262
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: get those vibes a little bit, and then I also

1263
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: kind of go into like twenty sixteen a little bit

1264
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: where they're kind of entering this window. You know, twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen was the Who's the Ace year or He's the Ace,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you're going into twenty sixteen, You're this

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Speaker 1: competitive window is opening, right, So I feel like you're

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Speaker 1: getting a little bit of everything with this year. It's

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Speaker 1: it's very exciting, man. Man. I got to ask you

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Speaker 1: with section ten, what do you guys got going on,

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Speaker 1: you know coming up? Tell the viewers at home what

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Speaker 1: to expect with section ten. Yeah, as usual, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be doing our thing on the podcast side of things.

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Speaker 1: You know, at the end of every series there will

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Speaker 1: be a new episode, but we are cooking up some

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Speaker 1: plans on you know, a live show on opening day

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Speaker 1: home opener for the Red Sox, not obviously down in

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Speaker 1: Texas or anything like that. We haven't exactly announced every

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Speaker 1: detail yet, but hopefully tune into the next podcast and

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Speaker 1: we'll be finalized on that front. But expect a lot

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Speaker 1: more of us at Fenway Park this year. There's a

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Speaker 1: different vibe around the team. The players seemingly are much

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Speaker 1: more open in Jared's connections with them. They're down to

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Speaker 1: talk and do different stuff. So hopefully you're seeing a

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Speaker 1: lot more Section ten at the ballpark overall, and the

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Speaker 1: content is going to be coming even harder this year.

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Speaker 1: Now that second year at Underdog were full force and

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Speaker 1: we got a baseball team that deserves all the attention

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Speaker 1: they're about to get. Yeah, I'm excited for it. I

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Speaker 1: Like I was telling you before we started recording, I

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Speaker 1: was listening to the last Section ten episode. You guys

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Speaker 1: are just such great work over there, and it's always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to listen to. Hopefully you guys can get

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Speaker 1: the femway more this offseason or this season. Sorry, I'm

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Speaker 1: still an off season mode. Hopefully the night that you

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Speaker 1: just the opening night wherever you guys end up going. Hopefully,

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Speaker 1: because I heard you guys talking about that on the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'll be like ten cent tickets. Hopefully everything is okay

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Speaker 1: with that because I know a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: going to be wanting to go to that. But Tyler,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on today.

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Speaker 1: It's been an absolute pleasure talking ball with you. But everyone,

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Speaker 1: before we do, get out of here if you can,

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Speaker 1: get the four k by opening day, And if you're

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Speaker 1: with us in podcast format, leave us a five star review.

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Speaker 1: And everyone, that's all we got for today. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you next time.